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02:11:57 <zzo38> I made this programming language http://sprunge.us/5jA9Q3 it isn't completed yet, though. Please make a comment of it
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04:39:29 <zzo38> I think the reason sometimes my computer uses more RAM that it should is something to do with graphics, since it increases when loading a PDF even after the program to view the PDF is terminated.
04:45:41 <Hooloovo0> one thing I've seen a couple times is memory fragmentation in graphics areas
04:46:24 <Hooloovo0> well, not graphics, per se, but X, which is in charge of graphics
04:48:23 <zzo38> Terminating and restarting X did not seem to help the last time I tried that
05:29:53 <zzo38> I don't like the common convention of writing the stack effect used in PostScript, and I think the convention of Forth is better, so I use the Forth convention even when writing programs in PostScript, too.
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07:06:08 <imode> I wish simpler languages like Forth had become mainstream vs. what we have now.
07:06:18 <imode> have had trouble even picking a language to write services in.
07:28:32 <zzo38> You could write a program in Forth, if you want to do, I think.
07:35:48 <int-e> But Forth is a very odd word processor.
07:46:24 <tromp> int-e: wow, was able to complete BB(36) search!
07:46:44 <tromp> (36,1441774,(\1 1) (\1 (\\2 (2 1)) 1))
07:47:15 <tromp> so that Church 2^256 is BB(36)
07:48:02 <tromp> assuming all TODOs are loops
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09:15:04 <tromp> BB 37 run doesn't do so well, seems to explode in mem even without troublesome terms
09:15:36 <tromp> better work on proving BB(36)
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13:07:41 <kspalaiologos> it's been offline for four days, no idea what has happened
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14:13:04 <tromp> just realized that 0^0 = 1 also holds in Church numerals
14:14:19 <arseniiv> kspalaiologos: once upon a time, the Event happened. A few it was noticed by, and by none was it been known that the noble gitlogger had been knocked out flat by it, and that it was its sole effect
14:18:33 <lambdabot> parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets)
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16:04:29 <kspalaiologos> I managed to squash the sierpinski program and hunt down some bugs
16:04:45 <kspalaiologos> currently it's down to 219 bytes, relying on some compiler voodoo
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19:44:35 <zzo38> "The result of mounting a file system nosuid varies across Linux kernel versions: some will refuse execution of set-user-ID and set-group-ID executables when this would give the user powers she did not have already (and return EPERM), some will just ignore the set-user-ID and set-group-ID bits and exec() successfully."
19:45:49 <zzo38> I think that if the user does not have permission to read the file, and nosuid is used, then executing files with set-user-ID and set-group-ID should also be prohibited.
19:47:37 <zzo38> Also, they didn't tell you what version of Linux will have what effect.
19:48:28 <b_jonas> zzo38: there is a mount flag noexec though if you want to just deny executing anything on the fs
19:51:53 <zzo38> OK, that makes sense, although it should also make sense to me that if it is with nosuid even though the set-user-ID and set-group-ID bits are set, then it should also refuse execution if the user does not have permission to read the file, unless those bits would correspond to the current user and group anyways, in which case it would still be allowed. Since, otherwise, it would allow the user to do something which is otherwise prohibi
19:55:27 <b_jonas> zzo38: sure, but we can't change that in old kernel versions so you have to know about the behavior
19:57:58 <zzo38> Yes, althought hey should mention what versions, rather than merely saying it varies across Linux kernel versions.
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23:40:34 <Umbrage> This is my first time here.
23:41:39 <zzo38> OK, what is it you wanted, then?
23:42:02 <Umbrage> I came here to see if anybody wanted to discuss esolangs.
23:42:22 <zzo38> OK, do you have specific questions or other comments about it?
23:42:45 <Umbrage> I'm developing an esolang.
23:43:01 <LKoen> what's your main source of inspiration?
23:43:51 <zzo38> Do you have any further details?
23:45:16 <Umbrage> Here's the pastebin of the compilation if you are interested:
23:45:20 <Umbrage> https://pastebin.com/Nc8NGSbK
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23:50:32 <HackEso> Umbrage: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <https://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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23:56:16 <Umbrage> So basically, the code starts out disguised as brainFuck
23:56:55 <Umbrage> so if the program was ][, in binary it would be 100101
23:57:29 <Umbrage> Then, I run it though an elementary cellular automata with rule 90 (A XOR C)
23:58:18 <Umbrage> If the XOR operation accesses a cell with a value below 0, it returns a truthy value.
23:58:48 <Umbrage> If the XOR operation accesses a cell with a value greater than or equal to the number of cells, it returns a falsy value.
23:59:39 <Umbrage> After an equal number of iterations of the elementary cellular automata to the number of bits in the binary, it stops, and saves the binary.
23:59:48 <Umbrage> Then, it converts it to code and runs it.