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00:36:08 <esowiki> [[Bias]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72341&oldid=72329 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+141) /* Inside biases */
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01:10:09 <zzo38> Conspiracy of the World {-} Conspiracy ;; Double agenda ;; Non-basic permanents with either chosen name are world.
01:14:22 <zzo38> Do you like this?
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02:21:02 <esowiki> [[Full 0]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72343&oldid=72339 * LegionMammal978 * (-6) fixed link
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02:35:14 <esowiki> [[User:Zzo38/Untitled 4]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72344 * Zzo38 * (+1764) Created page with "The program is a list of commands, with spaces in between. Each command is either passive or active. Comments are allowed, and start with a semicolon and end at a line break...."
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02:44:07 <b_jonas> is there a catholic saint who is often depicted with an onion?
02:44:32 <doesthiswork> saint Abe? It was the style at the time
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03:19:29 <Antebrationist> What is the most aesthetically pleasing esolang you've seen so far?
03:21:01 <zzo38> I don't know.
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03:46:20 <zzo38> What I do want to figure out though is who can help with my software project.
03:50:17 <int-e> Antebrationist: piet and trajedy for different reasons
04:01:37 <shachaf> I have a parser with this API: void provide_input(Parser *parser, char *input, size_t input_size); void parse(Parser *parser, Token *tokens, size_t tokens_cap);
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04:02:32 <shachaf> It sets parser->processing_input until the input is processed, and returns the number of tokens in parser->num_tokens.
04:02:57 <shachaf> And returns errors in parser->error, I suppose.
04:03:17 <shachaf> Oh, I forgot, provide_input also take a flag to indicate whether the input is followed by EOF.
04:03:38 <shachaf> Is there a nicer way to express it?
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04:10:20 <zzo38> Perhaps the return type should not be void, because it might be an error
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04:20:59 <doesthiswork> Do you really need it to take any parameters? can't they all be global variables instead?
04:23:36 <shachaf> zzo38: You can check parser.error.
04:23:58 <shachaf> doesthiswork: Doesn't that just make a worse API?
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04:37:56 <zzo38> shachaf: O, OK.
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05:15:23 <esowiki> [[Babalang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72345&oldid=72288 * RocketRace * (+3) Fix tables
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06:44:19 <Antebrationist> ^bf .
06:44:39 <Antebrationist> is fungot dead?
06:44:39 <fungot> Antebrationist: i guess it'd work. you need to add a thing to its front. you enter elements on the stack
06:44:49 <Antebrationist> Huh. I guess not.
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07:31:04 <kspalaiologos> what was the prefix for fungot?
07:31:04 <fungot> kspalaiologos: about fnord for connection from filename...' or ' patrolling' etc. are defined in terms of memory
07:31:12 <kspalaiologos> `?fungot
07:31:12 <fungot> kspalaiologos: http://www.norvig.com/ fnord the integer fnord of a linearization of the path datatype. if a key is the shift of that key, so i guess
07:31:13 <HackEso> ​?fungot? No such file or directory
07:31:18 <kspalaiologos> `? fungot
07:31:18 <fungot> kspalaiologos: maybe you should replace it at some time i've been viewing a russian midget sodomize a housecat!? friggin twelve rounds of reading in files drscheme seems rather fnord :)
07:31:19 <HackEso> fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason.
07:31:35 <b_jonas> `prefixes
07:31:36 <HackEso> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =.
07:32:05 <kspalaiologos> ah, sure, I forgot
07:32:15 <kspalaiologos> but I guess bfbot prefix is... outdated :p
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07:43:08 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: why? is the future bfbot using a different prefix?
07:43:23 <kspalaiologos> there is (sadly) no future bfbot yet
07:43:40 <kspalaiologos> because I lost hope in humanity after my HDD failed and ONLY the code for the new bfbot has been lost
07:46:27 <b_jonas> anyway, you can change it, just edit the command in both HackEso and fungоt
07:46:47 <b_jonas> well obviously there's no future bfbot yet. that's why it's called future bfbot
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07:49:37 <kspalaiologos> also, I made some improvements to asm2bf
07:49:51 <kspalaiologos> long instruction names, bit operations
07:50:02 <kspalaiologos> and a few optimizations regarding b2bf
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08:01:46 <esowiki> [[HydraLoop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72346&oldid=72085 * Zzo38 * (+913) Computation class
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09:29:07 <zzo38> Rename {U} Enchantment - Aura ;; Enchant permanent ;; As ~ enters the battlefield, choose a name. ;; Enchanted permanent's name is the chosen name.
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09:37:56 <tromp> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23201685
09:39:26 <tromp> A functional Busy Beaver
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10:43:57 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * DN3T * New user account
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14:22:27 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * CismonX * New user account
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15:23:41 <esowiki> [[Asm2bf]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72347&oldid=72320 * Palaiologos * (-1009) shl/shr, remove legacy stuff
15:26:41 <esowiki> [[Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72348&oldid=71572 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-1) /* Picofuck project */
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15:34:53 <esowiki> [[Algebraic Programming Language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72349&oldid=71930 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+16) /* Custom operators */
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15:41:23 <esowiki> [[Brainfunc]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72350&oldid=70323 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-4) /* Functions */
15:47:47 <esowiki> [[DINAC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72351&oldid=72102 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+8) /* Branching */
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16:24:07 <esowiki> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72352&oldid=72331 * Palaiologos * (+56) add asm2bf (it's been missing?)
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20:02:35 <imode> I feel like I'm not big brained enough for languages like PostScript.
20:03:27 <zzo38> Are you sure?
20:03:46 <imode> more than likely.
20:04:44 <imode> I have a concatenative language in the "works" based on pattern matching.
20:04:59 <imode> but figuring out how to build things like basic data structures is interesting enough...
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20:07:26 <zzo38> PostScript has some data structures though, such as arrays and dictionaries.
20:07:39 <imode> I'm looking to build mine out of base primitives.
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20:07:55 <zzo38> OK. What base primitives do you have, though?
20:08:24 <imode> maybe I should demo this..
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20:08:53 <imode> https://hastebin.com/xexubehufu.txt
20:09:37 <imode> so this language is based off of pattern matching. every "tick", we scan through the input string from left to right to find a pattern that matches. you have your basic operators, like arithmetic and logical operators.
20:09:49 <imode> along with `define`, which lets you define new patterns.
20:11:33 <imode> you can consider this entire file the input string. there are a couple of basic manipulation operators, like dup, swap and drop, along with apply, which "flattens" any list. there are also `r` variants, which look to the right of them instead of the left.
20:12:24 <imode> you could theoretically build everything, I guess, from dup, swap, drop, apply, quote/cons/whatever and pattern matching.
20:12:32 <imode> including arithmetic ops.
20:14:04 <imode> the base operators don't apply to things like other operators, only to lists and primitive "data".
20:32:48 <zzo38> OK.
20:34:14 <zzo38> (Although I don't really like hastebin, which serves HTML instead of plain text, even with the ".txt" extension and even if you add a Accept header to indicate that you want plain text. But I have figured out how to get plain text. Remove ".txt" and add "documents/" before the filename, and then it will be JSON; the property called "data" contains the text. It isn't as good as real plain text, though.)
20:55:36 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72353&oldid=72311 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+62) /* Memory */
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21:52:48 <fizzie> zzo38: Add "/raw/" in front of the document ID, and remove the extension.
21:52:53 <fizzie> zzo38: As in, https://hastebin.com/raw/xexubehufu
21:53:16 <zzo38> O, that works better.
21:53:59 <zzo38> (I don't know why it has JSON then, since it seems to contain nothing except the data and the filename, which seems to be redundant.)
22:00:38 <imode> you can also hit the "raw" button.
22:02:15 <fizzie> Though you need to execute scripts for that button to work.
22:02:21 <fizzie> (I'm not sure why it's not just a link.)
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22:20:53 <arseniiv_> I think about error recovery in parsing and I get strange ideas
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22:23:50 <zzo38> What kind of strange ideas?
22:25:19 <arseniiv> b_jonas mentioned things akin to using semicolons to recover from a broken statement, but having a decently recursive grammar, you can’t for example call reasonable searching for the earliest one to come next, you need at least account for curly braces first, as something like `if (incorrect) { x = 2 ;` is a worse candidate than `if (incorrect) { x = 2; }`
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22:27:58 <arseniiv> so that gives me ideas about fixed prefix and suffix for some rules which should match to consider a parse as a faulty variant of that rule and none alternative to it when a choice can be made
22:28:48 <arseniiv> but this looks like a hard thing to do in LTR top-down parsing which I try to stick with
22:29:26 <arseniiv> even if for example we precompute possible n-token prefixes and suffixes of each nonterminal, what good would it give here
22:30:35 <arseniiv> but I think the idea for searching the first “reasonable” semicolon can be fleshed out in some other way
22:33:04 <arseniiv> (I suppose annotating these kinds of “faulty” grammars in some special way to make such guesses of “typoed parses” possible—I just don’t know yet which annotations should there be)
22:37:44 <arseniiv> the first idea was to add a ?-like “quantifier”, let’s say P↑, with meaning “if you fail in parsing P, consider that a typoed variant of P and go forth as usual”, but this is too bad. Then I thought about adding an atomic parser ↓ to mark up to which part you may fail (as semicolons, which I used when pondering that, come last), but this works bad with LTR)
22:38:38 <arseniiv> I think I should have googled error recovery beforehand, I still haven’t
22:39:32 <arseniiv> does this all have sense?
22:41:16 <arseniiv> okay there are some search results. Definitely should have read up first
22:42:52 <arseniiv> ah, yes, and I forgot that I mentioned error productions before and even noted this would be a good start
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22:55:47 <b_jonas> atslash: I specifically said that that's why you need to design your grammar such that it has such markers, and most modern languages aren't like that, they allow embedding anything in anything. python doesn't let you put statements inside expressions, so you can't have a semicolon inside a statement.
22:55:52 <b_jonas> um
22:55:53 <b_jonas> misping
22:55:57 <b_jonas> arsenniv: ^
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