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01:07:48 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72534&oldid=72533 * Charmaster16 * (+94) /* Introductions */
01:17:09 <esowiki> [[Huf]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72535 * Charmaster16 * (+145) Created page with "huf is a time consuming and useless language. Its syntax is a little similar to brainfuck. Check it out here: https://github.com/Charmaster16/huf"
01:17:49 <esowiki> [[Huf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72536&oldid=72535 * Charmaster16 * (+39)
01:18:54 <esowiki> [[User:Charmaster16]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72537 * Charmaster16 * (+46) Created page with "Real name is Charlie Hough. Creator of [[huf]]"
01:24:07 <esowiki> [[Huf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72538&oldid=72536 * Charmaster16 * (+0)
01:26:19 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72539&oldid=72467 * Charmaster16 * (+10) /* H */
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02:22:12 <salpynx> I have a 2 symbol simple translation of that latest language added to the wiki 'huf' in pico(). An experiment to see how fast a language I'd never heard of could be converted without modifying the existing pico() definition.
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02:46:42 <orbitaldecay> salpynx: nice. I'm trying to see if it's theoretically possible to reduce underload to one concatenative combinator plus quoting.
02:48:06 <orbitaldecay> Btw, restricted clementine should have interesting implications for godel numberings if i can prove it tc
02:49:03 <orbitaldecay> * is really hard to compose in restricted clm. Maybe impossible. The other combinators are easy.
02:51:29 <orbitaldecay> Oh, I also reformulated clementine so that it's now the smallest proper simple translation of underload that I know of.
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06:00:58 <zzo38> The mathematical function I mentioned earlier, I called it "IINL" for "increment in nested loops". I wrote article <1589825967.bystand@zzo38computer.org> about it, and some questions, but so far they just argue about the definition of nested loops instead of actually answering the question. Maybe eventually someone who doesn't use Google will answer the question properly.
06:03:02 <zzo38> (Maybe my definition is unclear, although the people on this IRC seem to understand it, at least.)
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06:08:36 <esowiki> [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72541&oldid=72206 * Quadril-Is * (+529) Probably not PF.
06:14:03 <esowiki> [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72542&oldid=72541 * Quadril-Is * (+74) /* PFC4 */
06:15:29 <esowiki> [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72543&oldid=72542 * Quadril-Is * (-20) /* PFC4 */
06:20:33 <int-e> Yum. https://d4stiny.github.io/How-to-use-Trend-Micro-Rootkit-Remover-to-Install-a-Rootkit/
06:21:16 <int-e> (This kind of reversal feels very much on topic here to me.)
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06:34:43 <esowiki> [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72544&oldid=72543 * Quadril-Is * (+186) /* PFC4 */ maybe?
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07:15:13 <Antebrationist> Namely, create a Hello, World! program which doesn't contain any of the letters or characters "!,delorHW"
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07:19:22 <int-e> `` dc <<<5735816763073854953388147237921P
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09:01:38 <kspalaiologos> it turned out, he managed to learn asm2bf in two days
09:02:41 <kspalaiologos> I'm impressed, because most people trying to learn asm2bf overall failed miserably
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09:06:25 <ais523> I have just used five different editors within the past hour
09:06:42 <ais523> and not because of some sort of editor evaluation, either, each was the obvious (or in some cases only available) tool for the job
09:06:49 <ais523> I wonder what this says about me
09:07:12 <Taneb> That you're someone comfortable with a large toolbox?
09:09:30 <b_jonas> ais523: are they editing the same kind of thing, like text files?
09:10:05 <b_jonas> I use two text editors at work. It's not because they're good for the job, both of them sucks, but I don't have a really good text editor.
09:10:16 <b_jonas> Five sounds a bit excessive.
09:12:30 <b_jonas> I guess I could even count three. I use three exitors at work.
09:13:51 <int-e> do dedicated IDEs count
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09:26:08 <ais523> int-e: one of them was a dedicated IDE for Java
09:26:29 <ais523> and I used it for all the Java files that were on my local computer, and no files that didn't meet that description
09:26:38 <ais523> (sorry for not responding earlier, I somehow managed to turn off pings by mistake)
09:26:55 <b_jonas> yeah, occasionally I use a dedicated IDE too
09:27:12 <b_jonas> but they suck, so mostly I just edit those files in a normal editor
09:27:25 <ais523> then one of them is vi, which I don't use through choice (I might occasionally use vim, but vi is kind-of sucky by comparison)
09:27:50 <ais523> because it was the most powerful editor installed on the (BusyBox-based) system
09:28:27 <ais523> the rest were more "through choice" cases, though; nano for quick editing in terminals; gedit for taking notes that go in the background; Emacs for more serious editing
09:28:40 <int-e> I use vi*m* routinely to make small edits in configuration files.
09:28:51 <ais523> int-e: right, that's comparable to my use of nano
09:29:00 <ais523> there's nothing wrong with vim for that, I just happen to prefer nano
09:29:14 <int-e> yeah I never liked nano for some reason
09:29:24 <ais523> vim is more powerful but takes more thought to use
09:29:44 <int-e> ironically I don't use any of the advanced features
09:29:48 <ais523> I think vim is probably only worth using if you're willing to put in enough practice to use it via instinct so that you don't have to think
09:30:09 <ais523> like, being able to say "delete 7 words" is powerful, but being able to /count/ 7 words is hard
09:30:51 <b_jonas> ais523: right, when you don't want to think that much, you press v then keep hitting e until it reaches the end of what you want to delete, then d
09:30:53 <int-e> emacs is my go to editor for most things. specific IDEs I've used include Isabelle/jEdit, coqide, eclipse.
09:31:06 <ais523> b_jonas: what's the difference between e and w?
09:31:09 <b_jonas> I can occasionally count 7 characters, but I don't think I ever tried to count 7 words
09:31:16 <b_jonas> ais523: e goes to the end of a word, w goes to the start of a word
09:31:32 <ais523> vim has so many subtle differences like that
09:31:37 <int-e> b_jonas: not a Haiku person
09:32:49 <ais523> I think Emacs controls are better for deleting words one at a time, you hold meta and tap d for each word you want to delete
09:34:56 <b_jonas> ais523: more importantly, when you do that in emacs, you get one entry in the yank list. vim doesn't try to unify adjacent deletions, so if you hit x four times to delete four characters, you get four yank entries.
09:37:01 <ais523> huh, I actually used /6/ editors
09:37:04 <ais523> I forgot that one of them was sed
09:37:17 <ais523> because automated editing is a little different in nature from human editing
09:37:46 <ais523> seven if you count readline at the bash prompt, but you shouldn't
09:37:56 <ais523> (and rather more if you count random text input boxes in GUI applications)
09:41:55 <int-e> . o O ( like this one in irssi, minus the "G" )
09:42:28 <int-e> I really don't think we should count these. :)
09:44:09 <int-e> (For example, ghci uses haskeline, which is distinct from readline even though it feels basically the same. If I start looking around a bit I suspect I might find an editline user as well.)
10:32:46 <ais523> that makes me wonder what an editor is
10:33:13 <ais523> Claudio Calvelli (author of CLC-INTERCAL) once wrote an editor using nothing but Bourne shell and dd; I don't know what its functionality is like
10:33:22 <ais523> but I think the entire purpose of the project was the silly language choice
10:33:36 <int-e> somebody who selects and arrenges articles for a printed product.
10:47:11 <fizzie> 1. (17) editor, editor in chief -- (a person responsible for the editorial aspects of publication; the person who determines the final content of a text (especially of a newspaper or magazine))
10:47:15 <fizzie> 2. editor program, editor -- ((computer science) a program designed to perform such editorial functions as rearrangement or modification or deletion of data)
10:47:22 <fizzie> Sense 2 is pretty generic.
10:47:32 <fizzie> I guess 'rm' is an editor as well?
10:48:05 <fizzie> fungot: Are you an editor in either sense?
10:50:41 <ais523> fizzie: arguably the purpose of rm isn't deleting data
10:50:44 <ais523> rm just un-names files
10:50:50 <ais523> it's the filesystem's garbage collector that deletes data
10:51:20 <ais523> yes, but it's a technical term, and thus would have undermined my point somewhat
10:52:58 <int-e> yeah, rm is a file system editor
10:53:31 <int-e> pretty much in the same way that scissors are paper editors ;)
10:54:11 <ais523> vi edits files, rm edits filesystems
10:57:25 <int-e> https://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/1993/07/07
10:58:21 <spruit11> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htaSWIPMvVM&pbjreload=10
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11:00:49 <b_jonas> ais523: but rm -r also does rmdir, to which the garbage collector thing doesn't apply, rmdir plain just deletes a directory
11:01:41 <b_jonas> also rm still works on file systems like FAT, which doesn't have inodes, nor anywhere you could store a link count
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11:03:53 <myname> fizzie: how do you rearrange text using rm?
11:04:23 <ais523> b_jonas: does rmdir unlink directories on filesystems that allow for directory hardlinks?
11:05:13 <ais523> oh! another thing I did today was to change my bash prompt to show my primary group, rather than my user
11:05:33 <ais523> because for all the regular user accounts I use the primary group and user are the same, but sometimes I temporarily switch primary group
11:05:41 <ais523> and I want a reminder of when I've done that
11:06:08 <b_jonas> ais523: I don't know, "directory hardlinks" is something that I only heard as having existed historically, I don't think I've ever met it as something that actually exists
11:06:41 <b_jonas> I don't even know if that ever coexisted with a hierarchical file system
11:07:11 <b_jonas> maybe it was used back in pre-v1 unix when every call that needed a path instead took two arguments, a directory name and a file name, with no separators in them
11:08:34 <ais523> I vaguely remember NTFS supporting something directory-hardlink-like, it might be different though
11:09:58 <b_jonas> I think they just have three different types of symlink
11:10:10 <b_jonas> each of which work on directories
11:11:38 <b_jonas> although I'm not sure I could even distinguish between "like a symlink" and "like a hardlink" for aliases that are set up by the operating system and that I would never try to remove or rename because I'm sure it would either fail or break something important
11:12:20 <b_jonas> I'm not trying to deliberately break my windows systems at work, they break on their own, or third party software that I install breaks them
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11:45:48 <fizzie> myname: The description had an "or" condition, not an "and" condition.
11:46:03 <fizzie> It's "designed to perform such editorial functions as -- deletion of data".
11:46:29 <fizzie> But, yeah, ais523's point on it not actually deleting data is fair enough.
11:48:33 <myname> but dd would modify data
11:53:25 <fizzie> Hypothetically, you could be using rm for "rearranging text" if you had a document split across multiple files in a scheme where you include all files and use file name sort order to control how they're arranged.
11:53:57 <fizzie> Like, my thesis was split to 00_preface.tex, 01_intro.tex and so on, though I don't think I had a wildcard include or anything.
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13:46:07 <esowiki> [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72548&oldid=72545 * Quadril-Is * (-1071) /* PFC4 */ bad
14:17:44 <esowiki> [[User talk:InfiniteDonuts]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72549&oldid=72451 * InfiniteDonuts * (+61)
14:21:21 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck derivatives]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72550&oldid=46433 * InfiniteDonuts * (+215)
14:21:36 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck derivatives]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72551&oldid=72550 * InfiniteDonuts * (-2) /* brainflop */
14:21:43 <esowiki> [[ChuckScript]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72552&oldid=51226 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-42) /* Examples */ make the examples not go off the page
14:22:48 <esowiki> [[Clementine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72553&oldid=72532 * Orby * (+2) /* Simple translation to Underload */
14:27:38 <esowiki> [[User:InfiniteDonuts]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72554&oldid=72164 * InfiniteDonuts * (+91)
14:30:39 <esowiki> [[Clementine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72555&oldid=72553 * Orby * (+18)
14:31:05 <esowiki> [[Clementine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72556&oldid=72555 * Orby * (+1) /* CLM as a stack based language */
14:43:02 <esowiki> [[Clementine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72557&oldid=72556 * Orby * (+451)
14:44:20 <esowiki> [[Clementine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72558&oldid=72557 * Orby * (+1) /* Open questions */
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17:03:51 <esowiki> [[Libertas]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72566&oldid=25123 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24)
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19:23:55 <esowiki> [[Black]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72572&oldid=65524 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-4) /* Computational class */ rm redlink
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19:37:41 <rain1> https://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/gn7kcr/a_sequence_you_definitely_wont_find_in_oeis_395/
19:37:51 <rain1> a(n) is the lowest positive number that does not appear in position n in any OEIS sequence:
19:43:00 <int-e> a(n) is A[n](n)+1 <-- at least make it stable under extensions of OEIS.
19:43:42 <int-e> s/it/the existing entries/
19:47:06 <esowiki> [[Deadfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72574&oldid=72383 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+4) /* Seabass */
19:47:08 <b_jonas> rain1: that is in the OEIS I think
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19:54:11 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72575&oldid=57897 * Digital Hunter * (-389) /* Instruction Syntax */
19:55:10 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72576&oldid=72575 * Digital Hunter * (+0) /* S */
19:55:31 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72577&oldid=72576 * Digital Hunter * (+0) /* Hello, world! */
19:55:53 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72578&oldid=72577 * Digital Hunter * (+0) /* Infinite Cat */
19:56:30 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72579&oldid=72578 * Digital Hunter * (+0) /* Factorial */
19:57:34 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72580&oldid=72579 * Digital Hunter * (+0) /* 99 bottles of beer */
19:57:50 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72581&oldid=72580 * Digital Hunter * (+0) /* Truth-machine */
19:58:12 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72582&oldid=72581 * Digital Hunter * (+0) /* Add two numbers */
19:58:40 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72583&oldid=72582 * Digital Hunter * (+0) /* Subtract two numbers */
19:59:21 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72584&oldid=72583 * Digital Hunter * (+0) /* Multiply two numbers */
19:59:59 <esowiki> [[Surtic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72585&oldid=72584 * Digital Hunter * (+0) /* Divide two numbers */
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22:12:07 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72588&oldid=72534 * KingJellyfish * (+353)
22:32:29 <esowiki> [[Befunge-with-graphics]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=72589 * KingJellyfish * (+747) Created page with " = befunge-with-graphics = As it's name suggests, this language is [[befunge]] but with graphics. It's name can be shortened to bwg and will be for the rest of this article...."
22:32:57 <esowiki> [[Befunge-with-graphics]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72590&oldid=72589 * KingJellyfish * (-27)
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23:42:34 <esowiki> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72595&oldid=72539 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+10) /* C */ =
23:49:41 <esowiki> [[Befunge-with-graphics]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=72596&oldid=72593 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+99) /* Future features and bug fixes */ cats
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