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that's exciting 09:53:14 "widely received knowledge" => "most people believe this, including people who write research papers" 09:53:44 We have two claims, I would love to see an actual proof. 09:55:07 I'm surprised this problem is not already cleanly solved 09:55:46 well, unless you have some way to make a loop iteration be a nop or revertable depending on the state of a cell, you pretty much lose the ability to branch 09:57:02 but you can branch 09:57:08 it's just 1 or 2 instead of 0 or 1 09:57:36 so this suggests trying to implement a reversible turing complete language is doBF 09:57:51 that's not really branching 10:05:41 I can see how using reversibility could help (do it zero or one times ~ do it twice, then undo it once or twice) 10:22:01 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 10:22:24 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 10:27:19 -!- TheLie has joined. 11:06:24 -!- t20kdc has joined. 11:12:31 cpressey: is a limited-memory Brainfuck interpreter sufficient to prove the status of bounded-storage-machine? 11:18:04 t20kdc: I think so? https://esolangs.org/wiki/Smallfuck is an example of a brainfuck derivative that explicitly has finite memory, so is a bounded storage machine. 11:19:26 in which case, any ByteByteJump with some minimum amount of memory (unknown, but at most 16K) is at BSM level 11:19:49 proof for the 3-address-bytes/16MB case is at https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:20kdc/HypotheticalBrainfuckToByteByteJump#A_Much_Less_Hypothetical_Implementation 11:20:19 the techniques used in it are described elsewhere on that page 11:22:52 That sounds/looks reasonable 11:24:29 though to avoid wasting a lot of RAM, the tape uses up most of available memory, and is shared with the program content 11:25:02 the theoretical description assumes a Brainfuck->ByteByteJump compiler, but this is an interpreter 11:26:34 on the basis that an interpreter cannot perform any trickery 11:32:50 -!- LKoen has joined. 11:34:10 There would be some overhead with an interpreter, but that doesn't really matter (it would kind of be expected.) 11:36:50 even for a compiler, there's an expected overhead of 768 bytes 11:37:20 (increment, decrement, check-zero) 11:39:36 and conditional branches have either page alignment requirements (which gets costly fast) or 12 instructions of additional setup code... 11:44:11 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:45:24 -!- LKoen has joined. 11:52:35 -!- cpressey has quit (Quit: Lunch.). 12:01:32 [[ThisIsNotARealLanguage]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74644&oldid=24123 * DmilkaSTD * (+28) +joke languages category 12:04:22 [[Fscratch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74645&oldid=74438 * DmilkaSTD * (+5) just "wikified"? 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If you remove the ls...->t form, then you do have the property that, the state was changed iff the rule succeeded. But then the main distinction between 0 and 1 is erased, and I don't know where that leads to algebraically. 13:32:16 cpressey: hi! 13:32:19 btw I made a small change to the language (labels can be strings, not just characters). Not really worth implementing (unless you want to generate Tandem code using some other program) 13:32:24 hi! 13:46:10 -!- tswett[m] has quit (Quit: killed). 13:46:12 -!- xylochoron[m] has quit (Quit: killed). 13:46:25 -!- wmww has quit (Quit: killed). 13:52:25 [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74689&oldid=74655 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+75) /* LET me PRINT the CURSOR */ 13:53:43 -!- Melvar has joined. 13:57:59 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 13:58:12 -!- impomatic has joined. 14:02:27 -!- impomatic has quit (Client Quit). 14:02:41 -!- impomatic has joined. 14:07:17 arseniiv: Named rules is also interesting to consider (mainly as a way to define infinite rewriting rules (like you observed in asteration being 1 | R | R&R | etc.)) I have no idea where that goes. 14:08:15 I’d hope named rules don’t add anything special, as there is asteration already and the language is TC already, but I think they may add something… 14:08:54 -!- wmww has joined. 14:10:20 Well, originally, my idea was sort of a semiring awkwardly stuck halfway between a Kleene algebra and a distributive lattice. To make it work out, I pushed it towards Kleene algebra. But pushing it the other way would also be interesting -- somehow make & and | distribute over each other. Having infinite rewriting rules might fit in well there (but that's just a hunch.) 14:12:19 (Because there you wouldn't have asteration, but you'd still want to iterate the rewriting somehow, and maybe infinite rules could do that, maybe.) 14:13:43 Well, obviously they could if you could define asteration using them. 14:14:12 I don't think I'm quite up for thinking about this though, not at the moment 14:14:49 I just learned a little about Chu spaces and they are... very interesting. 14:21:23 [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74690&oldid=74689 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+470) /* LET me PRINT the CURSOR */ 14:22:08 -!- TheLie has joined. 14:45:01 -!- xylochoron[m] has joined. 14:45:02 -!- tswett[m] has joined. 14:47:36 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 14:49:21 -!- sprocklem has joined. 14:53:50 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 15:05:10 -!- sprocklem has joined. 15:40:28 [[Tandem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74691&oldid=74640 * Chris Pressey * (+150) /* Syntax */ Clarify role of whitespace. Other tweaks. 15:46:28 [[Tandem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74692&oldid=74691 * Chris Pressey * (+675) /* Implementing Automata in Tandem */ Show how a Minsky machine can be implemented. 15:51:13 -!- Arcorann has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:57:55 -!- cpressey has quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1). 16:12:55 [[Tuplary]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74693&oldid=74688 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24) cat /* External resources */ 16:47:14 -!- joast has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:47:48 => As such it is a model of Jean-Yves Girard's linear logic (Girard 1987).” 16:47:52 oops 16:48:25 I just learned a little about Chu spaces and they are... very interesting. => oh! “As such it is a model of Jean-Yves Girard's linear logic (Girard 1987).” 17:31:53 -!- TheLie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:32:58 -!- LKoen has joined. 17:45:11 -!- joast has joined. 17:47:31 -!- b_jonas has joined. 18:25:09 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Gogotron * New user account 18:25:25 -!- adu has joined. 18:32:47 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74694&oldid=74285 * Gogotron * (+245) 18:35:41 [[Piet]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74695&oldid=73635 * Gogotron * (-1) The direction pointer doesn't start at the upper-right-most codel, but the upper-left-most codel. 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