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02:53:50 <b_jonas> zzo38: I believe git already has a protocol that doesn't require downloading the whole repo from the server side, it's just that git the software can't handle partial repositories on the client side. This is a big reason why I recommend svn.
02:55:03 <b_jonas> maybe the server doesn't quite allow you to pick which objects to download
02:55:32 <b_jonas> the svn client also isn't perfect about this, but it handles partial repositories much better
02:56:24 <zzo38> Well, you can use svn for your own projects (although I use Fossil myself), but many people use git.
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10:55:48 <cpressey> I detect a distinct tendency by the users of the esolang wiki to see every language in terms of brainfuck
10:56:18 <int-e> All esolangs are brainfuck derivatives.
10:57:07 <Taneb> Yeah, I used to be like that once upon a time
10:57:08 <int-e> Especially Intercal.
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10:57:22 <Taneb> With good guidance they'll grow out of it
10:58:14 <int-e> (This is me trying to build up a time travel joke, or failing that, a break of causality through unfettered coming from.)
10:58:36 <int-e> (But it won't be funny. :P)
10:58:43 <shachaf> Chet out my fancy inotify program: https://shachaf.net/tmp/mustardwatch/mustardwatch.c
10:58:52 <shachaf> It uses ptrace to detect what files a program uses and reruns it when they change.
10:59:53 <Taneb> shachaf: that's a pretty cool idea
11:01:03 <int-e> cpressey: This category is *totally* Brainfuck-centric: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Before_1993
11:01:42 <int-e> Hah, we have Perl and Python?
11:04:07 <int-e> (The latter article is a disappointment.)
11:13:50 <esowiki> [[Talk:Javagony Turing-completeness proof]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74945 * Chris Pressey * (+582) Feedback on this proof
11:17:34 <myname> cpressey: i think that decrementing part is just the loop condition
11:19:50 <cpressey> Yes, they're demonstrating that Javagony can do something that brainfuck interpreters do, I get that
11:19:59 <myname> like, translation of a bf program to javagony is the following: translate +.<> as written on the page. for [subprogram] create a method with that translation in Proof class and make call to proof.doWhileReadNe0(subprogramMethod)
11:20:04 <myname> it's not an interpreter
11:20:07 <Taneb> You know, I've never tried writing a brainfuck self-interpreter
11:20:11 <Taneb> I might give it a go
11:20:13 <myname> it's a framework for translating arbitrary bf programs
11:21:17 <cpressey> I stand by my statement that it's halfway to a brainfuck interpreter, which would be a 100% convincing proof of its TCness
11:22:53 <myname> ++[>+<-] would translate to: Proof.subprogram() { tape.right(); tape.write(tape.read() - 1); tape.left(); tape.write(tape.read() + 1); } and in main tape.write(tape.read() + 1); tape.write(tape.read() + 1); proof.doWhileReadNe0(proof.subprogram);
11:23:13 <myname> yeah, you could write an interpreter, but that not what this proof is about
11:23:17 <int-e> cpressey: I guess the simple truth is that Brainfuck is the one minimal programming language that everybody has heard of.
11:23:44 <int-e> (for some pretty big value of "everybody")
11:24:25 <myname> technically, that "proof" is not a real proof since it does not show that the translation does have the same semantics as the bf programm you are translating
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12:52:13 <int-e> myname: That's a very common thing though. The attitude is usually that the reduction is the creative and tricky part while showing that the semantics are preserved is merely tedious routine.
12:53:10 <int-e> (Obviously there are exceptions.)
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15:45:12 <cpressey> arseniiv: I finally implemented it, including a parser and batch I/O -- https://github.com/catseye/Tandem
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16:30:48 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Arseniiv * moved [[User:Arseniiv/Generalized Minsky machine]] to [[Generalized Minsky machine]]: this model is quite a reasonable model
16:32:49 <esowiki> [[Minsky machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74974&oldid=73742 * Arseniiv * (+152) should have done it a long time ago
16:34:13 <arseniiv> @tell cpressey also kudos for Minsky machine! Now I wonder would it be as easy to represent a generalized Minsky machine which uses arbitrary recursive polynomial types? <https://esolangs.org/wiki/Generalized_Minsky_machine>
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17:38:17 <kspalaiologos> I'm looking for an esolang to build an interpreter for
17:38:48 <kspalaiologos> and preferably something that already has some code samples, but isn't trivial to program (like bf substitutions or smth)
17:39:08 <kspalaiologos> bonus points for evil bit-level twiddling operations
17:39:27 <b_jonas> hello arseniiv, kspalaiologos
17:40:00 <kspalaiologos> i considered malbolge, but it's so well known that the surprise aspect is over :p
17:40:13 <arseniiv> <kspalaiologos> bonus points for evil bit-level twiddling operations => ohohoho can’t advice anything sorry
17:40:58 <kspalaiologos> I just want to develop something as a showcase of what my x86 packer/obfuscator can do
17:43:01 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: why does it have to be an esoteric language? you could just write a C compiler, there are plenty of code examples of C, including ones that do weird stuff
17:43:37 <kspalaiologos> it's very simple: because esolangs aren't this easy to work your way through
17:43:54 <kspalaiologos> some of my crackmes feature esolang X, which has a checker for the solution, with an x86 interpreter bundled
17:44:10 <kspalaiologos> so I'm looking for this X esolang that I could use for making a crackme
17:44:26 <kspalaiologos> there are bonus points for it being hard and not very common, because it adds up some difficulty
17:44:55 <kspalaiologos> also the interpreter has to be non-trivial, so the code protection stuff can really show off
17:45:19 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: how about one of the older ICFP languages then?
17:45:41 <b_jonas> including the ones that aren't documented on the esolang wiki, like the space navigation language
17:45:53 <b_jonas> or Intcode which isn't ICFP but similar
17:46:09 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: sadly the old ICFP contest pages are hard to find,
17:46:32 <b_jonas> many of the websites are no longer online, since they're all organized by different groups
17:46:37 <b_jonas> http://icfpcontest.github.io/ has some links
17:46:45 <kspalaiologos> I used malbolge and I liked it, because a) it was hard to program/read/write b) encryption c) weird operators
17:47:34 <b_jonas> ICFP 2000 has GML, a stack-based pure functional language,
17:47:40 <b_jonas> well, almost pure functional
17:47:47 <b_jonas> the ray-tracing output is a side-effect
17:48:21 <b_jonas> 2004 has the ant brain language
17:48:40 <b_jonas> where you control a swarm of ants by writing a program that is running in the brain of each ant
17:48:43 <b_jonas> in a very limited language
17:49:14 <b_jonas> 2014 has two languages: GHC and GCC, one the style of 8-bit cpus, the other a haskell-style functional language
17:50:01 <b_jonas> 2011 has Lambda: the Gathering, a card game with a programming element, where you make a move by composing a function with another function from either the left or right
17:50:18 <b_jonas> see https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:ICFP_contest
17:51:03 <b_jonas> 2007 has Fuun DNA and RNA, where DNA acts as a turing-complete preprocessor and RNA is a vector drawing language with no programming constructs directly inside it which is why you use the preprocessor
17:51:10 <b_jonas> it's a very interesting string-based language
17:51:42 <b_jonas> oh, and 2006 has UM-32, another low-level cpu-like language, I recommend that one
17:51:45 <b_jonas> see https://esolangs.org/wiki/UM-32
17:52:00 <b_jonas> well, see the original contest description that must be linked from it instead
17:52:24 <b_jonas> and there were contests every year since, but I don't have the links
17:53:17 <kspalaiologos> because this seems like harvard architecture to me
17:54:16 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: if you change instructions, you won't be able to run the code that contains the contest
17:54:23 <b_jonas> you wanted code examples, there is one, the Codex
17:54:30 <b_jonas> if you want to run that, you need the full language
17:55:02 <b_jonas> oh, so you don't want existing example programs after all?
17:56:37 <kspalaiologos> example programs are here to point me the direction
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19:10:58 <esowiki> [[Revolution 9]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75010&oldid=74983 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+167) cats
19:11:09 <esowiki> [[User:DmilkaSTD]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75011&oldid=75002 * DmilkaSTD * (+190) get rekt noob
19:12:26 <esowiki> [[Esomachine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75012&oldid=75006 * DmilkaSTD * (+209) I actually hate this esolang
19:14:28 <esowiki> [[Esomachine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75013&oldid=75012 * DmilkaSTD * (+25)
19:14:43 <esowiki> [[CLooP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75014&oldid=25356 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+6)
19:15:18 <esowiki> [[User:DmilkaSTD]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75015&oldid=75011 * DmilkaSTD * (+5)
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19:15:45 <esowiki> [[Esomachine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75017&oldid=75016 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-3)
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19:19:00 <esowiki> [[NRSRSSOMN]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75019&oldid=49768 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+6)
19:20:22 <esowiki> [[RESOL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75020&oldid=16708 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+12)
19:21:40 <esowiki> [[Esomachine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75021&oldid=75017 * DmilkaSTD * (+581) dreams
19:22:04 <esowiki> [[User:DmilkaSTD]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75022&oldid=75015 * DmilkaSTD * (+26)
19:23:03 <esowiki> [[Esomachine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75023&oldid=75021 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+2) /* Comments */ grm
19:25:14 <esowiki> [[Callable]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75024&oldid=72412 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+44) /* Syntax */
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19:31:09 <esowiki> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75028&oldid=74913 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+2) /* Non-alphabetic */ +[[|_]] (this title breaks monospace!)
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19:34:09 <esowiki> [[Esomachine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75032&oldid=75023 * DmilkaSTD * (+331) almost
19:34:51 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75033&oldid=74911 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+83) /* Languages */
19:39:37 <esowiki> [[Esomachine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75034&oldid=75032 * DmilkaSTD * (+435) almost
19:39:56 <esowiki> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75035&oldid=75031 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-291) /* Interpreter */ github
19:40:50 <esowiki> [[Blues machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75036&oldid=74885 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+60) /* External resources */
19:56:44 <esowiki> [[Esomachine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75037&oldid=75034 * DmilkaSTD * (+836) finished my childhood esolang (literally)
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20:21:22 <esowiki> [[PATH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75039&oldid=65751 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+54) /* External resources */ cats
20:32:29 <esowiki> [[Hardlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75040&oldid=63907 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+278)
20:36:19 <esowiki> [[SLOS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75041&oldid=68235 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1)
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23:49:50 <esowiki> [[Noit o' mnain worb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75043&oldid=43391 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+30) /* External resources */ cat
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