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00:38:15 <b_jonas> you know how I still find the term "ground water" funny, because there's no way you can grind water to a fine powder. (xkcd makes the opposite point about ground beef.) well, today I found out there were such things as organ grinders. and no, those weren't like meat grinders used to grind liver.
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01:39:45 <Cale> b_jonas: They usually had a crank like one though
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01:48:03 <b_jonas> Cale: no, as far as I understand the organ grinder is the human operating and driving the organ, so the human doesn't have a crank]\
01:48:32 <esowiki> [[C-Hex]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75136&oldid=75135 * Feet2picture * (+35) /* HOW TO CODE IN IT */
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02:07:57 <Cale> b_jonas: Well, he turns the crank, similarly to someone who is grinding meat.
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05:14:44 <esowiki> [[C-Hex]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75139&oldid=75136 * Feet2picture * (-9) /* HOW TO CODE IN IT */
05:17:31 <esowiki> [[C-Hex]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75140&oldid=75139 * Feet2picture * (+2) /* C-Hex */
05:37:36 <esowiki> [[C-Hex]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75141&oldid=75140 * Feet2picture * (+508) /* Examples */
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07:51:05 <esowiki> [[Esoteric programming language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75142&oldid=61022 * A * (+30) /* Brevity */
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10:26:06 <HackEso> 1/1:135) <oerjan> it's not obvious from quantum mechanics that you can destroy a universe arbitrarily. \ 6) <oerjan> what, you mean that wasn't your real name? <Warrigal> Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that.
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12:34:01 <esowiki> [[BF-ASM:8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75145&oldid=75144 * DmilkaSTD * (+200) -hybrid instrs,+note doc
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12:38:26 <esowiki> [[C-Hex]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75148&oldid=75147 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+18) /* Examples */ fix::cat() & 2020
12:41:13 <esowiki> [[Weirdlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75149&oldid=45736 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+46) /* On the terms Weird and Esoteric */ cats
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13:57:29 <esowiki> [[IBC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75185&oldid=72946 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+120) /* Turing-completeness */ cats
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15:32:55 <kspalaiologos> b_jonas, I've finished writing some programs for it
15:33:10 <kspalaiologos> I put it through my obfuscator and the package is downloadable from my website
15:33:18 <kspalaiologos> http://kspalaiologos.now.im/doc/contest.zip - if you're feeling like it, you can give it a shot
15:33:59 <kspalaiologos> there are two binaries, the 3KB one has more obfuscated operations and a bit simpler control flow, while the 2nd one has a heavily obfuscated control flow and quite plain operations
15:34:20 <kspalaiologos> overall they're quite small, with the 1st one barely hitting the 1,7KB mark
15:34:23 <esowiki> [[Logic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75204&oldid=57001 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+96) /* See also */ cats + *
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15:34:39 <kspalaiologos> I changed stuff around to my liking and engineered a 24-byte cat for it
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15:51:46 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: for UM-32? and you call it "contest.zip" like there's only one good contest esolang?
15:53:30 <b_jonas> huh... do you have a link?
15:53:54 <kspalaiologos> reverse-engineering contests: given a bug-less interpreter, try to understand the underlying language and write a simple program in it (fizzbuzz maybe? hello world? cat?)
15:53:54 <kspalaiologos> The interpreter author has to write the sample beforehand and release it after the contest is over
15:54:24 <b_jonas> that reminds me. can we finally change the wiki featured language?
15:55:36 <b_jonas> so you wrote two obfuscated interpreters for the same language?
15:58:50 <int-e> just use public key crypto
15:59:12 <int-e> (nobody said it would have to be a fair challenge)
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16:09:45 <arseniiv> did you know that if you define multiplication on C² as (z, w) ⋅ (z′, w′) = (z z′ ± w w′*, z w′ + w z′*) then you get quaternions in the − case (this is the usual Cayley—Dickson construction) or the full Clifford algebra of the euclidean plane in the + case?
16:11:52 <arseniiv> my target was the last one, as I knew C is isomorphic to the even subalgebra of that (H is also an even subalgebra, but for 3D euclidean Clifford algebra, and now you can start suspecting something), but I also accidentally rediscovered you get H when you simply change sign
16:14:32 <arseniiv> the construction is in fact very basic: you just take C and add an element i′ such that i i′ = −i′ i (in other words, z i′ = i′ z*), and when i′² = +1 then that’ll get you Cl(2, 0, R) and if i′² = −1 (and we can think of it as j or e. g. k) that’ll deliver you H
16:15:18 <arseniiv> (and that sign in the multiplication definition above is precisely the sign of i′²)
16:16:17 <arseniiv> so in the end you may use pairs of complex numbers to represent reflections and all that, not only rotations and scalings
16:16:18 <b_jonas> you know how in IEEE floating point numbers, -0 is the additive identity, more so than 0? so when someone mentions 0 in some unfamiliar number system, you should think of it as the value you get from x-x for almost any x, as opposed to think of it as the additive identity
16:16:21 <kspalaiologos> first one compiled with other obfuscation and compiler settings
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18:04:14 <arseniiv> do you know something (a book, a book-like website) good teaching SQL? A friend asked and I don’t have any bibliography on it
18:08:09 <kspalaiologos> and which binary is harder to wrap your head around
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18:16:31 <kspalaiologos> I wonder, is there a random assembly code generator somewhere
18:24:15 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: sorry, writing programs in esoteric languages isn't really my thing
18:24:36 <kspalaiologos> I just wanted to know did you take a look in a reverse engineering tool at the binaries
18:24:40 <b_jonas> and if I want to reverse engineer bad code, I just look at the stuff I maintain at work
18:24:46 <b_jonas> I don't do it for pleasure
18:25:00 <b_jonas> I'm not a malware research expert or security expert
18:25:01 <kspalaiologos> the output of my obfuscator is way worse than your colleagues' whatever
18:25:24 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: no no, the output of your obfuscator is usually correct, so I don't have to touch it
18:25:35 <b_jonas> my coworkers code has random inconsistent bugs in it, and it has to be replaced
18:25:42 <kspalaiologos> the quality is worse than a BASIC programmer's spaghetti
18:25:58 <b_jonas> I reverse engineer to find out what it was supposed to do, not for what it's doing
18:26:51 <kspalaiologos> my obfuscator has well over 500 different transformers
18:27:09 <kspalaiologos> it requires a skilled assembly programmer to operate it, because it's still quite a requiring process to go through
18:27:55 <kspalaiologos> Ghidra literally fails to do anything with the binary
18:28:20 <kspalaiologos> the original was 5KB on release full on size; while compiled on speed and packed it's 3KB
18:28:50 <kspalaiologos> I went rogue for two weeks and wrote it around December last year
18:29:21 <kspalaiologos> the packed executables have a detection rate (false positives) of 1-4/72
18:30:21 <kspalaiologos> it can unwrap malloc/realloc/free calls into HeapAlloc/HeapRealloc etc
18:30:36 <kspalaiologos> so the dependency on the C runtime is really not a thing
18:30:57 <kspalaiologos> it can also do switch table mangling (literally every tool I tested for disassembly or decompilation has failed on this)
18:32:29 <kspalaiologos> there are a couple of disadvantages - you need to make a preset for every release (id est, review 500 checkboxes and comboboxes and other dialog popups regarding obfuscation, optimization and shrinking)
18:33:01 <kspalaiologos> and it sometimes produces crashing code, so I'm doing unit tests all the time and improving the transformers to be less aggressive if not desired
18:33:33 <kspalaiologos> I also wrote such a tool for Java, and I considered writing one for Lua to first mangle the Lua source code, then build it using luac, strip symbols and then obfuscate it on the assembly level
18:33:54 <kspalaiologos> cracking, reverse-engineering and malware is just my thing :p, especially malware analysis
18:34:18 <zzo38> arseniiv: I just read the documentation of the database software to learn SQL. (In my case, I use SQLite; maybe you use something else)
18:37:43 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: 100 GB of malware samples?
18:38:58 <kspalaiologos> there's also a lot of disassemblies I did, source code leaks
18:39:17 <kspalaiologos> but I'm a bit selfish and I'm not willing to share my malware :p
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18:40:16 <b_jonas> no thanks, I don't want 100 GB of malware
18:40:24 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: do you do that for work?
18:40:52 <zzo38> I have the code for a computer virus of thirteen bytes: 35 00 3C 41 87 F2 CD 21 93 B4 40 CD 21
18:41:09 <kspalaiologos> zzo38, I made a MBR overwriting trojan with a graphical payload in 86 bytes
18:41:55 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: I don't mean malware specifically, but reverse engineering in general
18:42:00 <HackEso> kspalaiologos is a brainfuck addict and a late night Perl hacker. He's secretly disassembling brainfuck code for a casino that lost the source code. Apparently knows the secret of Malbolge.
18:42:07 <arseniiv> zzo38: thanks! I used SQLite a bit and read its docs, yeah, though I don’t think that’d be a friendly introductory read :)
18:42:08 <b_jonas> the casino brainfuck disassembly counts
18:43:05 <kspalaiologos> sigh I need to run this virus, because it's not obvious at first what does it do
18:43:24 <zzo38> arseniiv: Well, I don't know, but at least I found it suitable.
18:44:27 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: now you have 100000013 bytes of malware
18:44:32 <arseniiv> <b_jonas> no thanks, I don't want 100 GB of malware => I bet at least half of it is a single virus written in Malbolge
18:46:08 <arseniiv> zzo38: anyways that’s a good advice in general, I’d say
18:46:32 <b_jonas> perhaps it's one of those barely portable malware that work only with a specific old version of DOS
18:46:49 <b_jonas> and only if you sys a floppy disk first thing you do
18:51:11 <b_jonas> "for whatever reason" => it's set because loading a two-byte constant to AX is three bytes, loading a one-byte constant to AH is three bytes, so it's usually free to set AX together
18:53:55 <b_jonas> maybe it just wants to confuse antivirus tools that quickly look for MOV AH stuff
18:54:57 <kspalaiologos> it just displays random gibberish for hell knows what reason
18:58:24 <kspalaiologos> it doesn't work, because it tries to read the filename from ds:dx, which points to ds:0000
19:00:37 <kspalaiologos> and it just so happened that in my memory later there is push cs/pop ds/mov dx,256f/mov ax,0900/int21h, which displayed the gibberish
19:01:03 <kspalaiologos> because, unsurprisingly, this program isn't meant to terminate
19:04:49 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: ds:0000 is the start of the PSP which always has an executable instruction, I don't know how you'd find a filename there
19:05:29 <kspalaiologos> when you load a DOS com executable, the offset is CS:0100
19:05:38 <kspalaiologos> because before, starting with CS:0000, there is the PSP
19:05:40 <b_jonas> this is a com file, CS and DS point to the same place
19:06:02 <kspalaiologos> I don't know where would you take the filename from too
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19:20:18 <zzo38> Maybe it isn't meant to be the entire program, but something put into another program? I don't know.
19:24:53 <kspalaiologos> honestly, I was wondering, how could I somehow procedurally generate correctly-decompiling assembly code
19:25:07 <kspalaiologos> because this would be a game changer for my obfuscator, a little bit
19:25:20 <kspalaiologos> without going through all opcodes and other boring stuff
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