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01:43:46 <int-e> Meh, Heavpoot undid all changes to the !lyricly☭demote☭establish☭communism! page?
01:47:23 <esowiki> [[!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75432&oldid=75378 * Int-e * (+32) Undo revision 75378 by [[Special:Contributions/Heavpoot|Heavpoot]] ([[User talk:Heavpoot|talk]]) -- reinstate cosmetic edits and category updates. Please respect the community!
01:57:45 <esowiki> [[Synced]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75433&oldid=75427 * ZippyMagician * (-240) Update comp class
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02:43:57 <esowiki> [[Affine Mess]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75434&oldid=75431 * Caenbe * (+0) Small typo. r-z is 9 bits.
02:51:36 <esowiki> [[Synced]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75435&oldid=75433 * ZippyMagician * (-6) Whoops, wrong comp class
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03:14:51 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * Bangyen *  New user account
03:16:56 <esowiki> [[User:ZippyMagician/Ideas]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75437 * ZippyMagician * (+1683) First version
03:18:11 <esowiki> [[User:ZippyMagician]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75438&oldid=75418 * ZippyMagician * (+82) Add link to ideas page
03:21:48 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75439&oldid=75411 * Bangyen * (+196) /* Introductions */
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04:21:03 <esowiki> [[Q 1.0]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75440&oldid=75426 * Emerald * (+49) New sever
04:32:07 <esowiki> [[Factor]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75441 * Bangyen * (+2792) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Factor |paradigms=Imperative |author=Bangyen Pham |year=[[:Category:2020|2020]] |memsys=[[:Category:Cell-based|Cell-based]] |dimensions=One-dimensiona..."
04:32:42 <esowiki> [[Factor]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75442&oldid=75441 * Bangyen * (-1) 
04:35:38 <esowiki> [[Factor]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75443&oldid=75442 * Bangyen * (-1) 
04:38:12 <esowiki> [[List of ideas]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75444&oldid=72054 * Bangyen * (+14) /* Mathematics */
04:47:42 <esowiki> [[User:Bangyen]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75445 * Bangyen * (+108) Created page with "'''Bangyen Pham''' is the creator of [[Factor]].  ==External Resources== [https://github.com/bangyen Github]"
04:48:53 <esowiki> [[Q 1.0]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75446&oldid=75440 * Emerald * (+31) 
04:53:18 <esowiki> [[Factor]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75447&oldid=75443 * Bangyen * (+221) 
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05:16:44 <shachaf> Now I get POLLIN revents on fd 0, and read still blocks. Exciting.
05:18:20 <Cale> ahhh... ahhh... ACHI/O
05:23:01 <zzo38> Use select() if you need to, I suppose
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05:28:41 <shachaf> zzo38: I'm using poll which does the same thing.
05:29:13 <shachaf> It's reporting that there's something to read on fd 0, but then read blocks.
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05:31:37 <zzo38> It might only work properly in noncanonical mode; I remember once doing something with that, and I think that is what I did to make it work.
05:34:33 <zzo38> I think there must be some way to do it, but unfortunately I don't know exactly what way it is.
05:34:49 <zzo38> (But if nothing else works, then I suppose you can use a pipe.)
05:45:56 <zzo38> Did you try noncanonical mode to see if that works?
05:47:33 <shachaf> I didn't.
05:47:54 <shachaf> Part of what's going on is that I'm running a child process and that process is being stopped.
05:48:09 <shachaf> So I'd have to detect that and switch modes back and forth, I suppose.
05:48:16 <shachaf> Maybe I'll just not worry about it.
05:49:53 <zzo38> Maybe the child process being stopped is what is doing something with it?
05:50:15 <zzo38> I don't really know exactly what you are doing, anyways
05:50:40 <shachaf> I'm not exactly sure what this program is but I suppose it's a sort of debugger.
06:00:36 <zzo38> The man page for epoll suggests that it should be possible with a terminal in canonical mode to read/write until EAGAIN.
06:01:00 <zzo38> Maybe there is a bug in the system? I don't know.
06:02:22 <shachaf> OK, maybe I just need to use canonical mode.
06:02:45 <shachaf> I didn't notice that bit.
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08:02:21 <esowiki> [[ASCII art]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75448&oldid=74891 * Bangyen * (+96) 
08:05:36 <esowiki> [[Factor]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75449&oldid=75447 * Bangyen * (-13) 
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08:30:20 <esowiki> [[Techno]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75450 * Keymaker * (+2167) A sort of DIY OISC.
08:31:09 <esowiki> [[User:Keymaker]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75451&oldid=70459 * Keymaker * (+69) Added Techno.
08:32:25 <esowiki> [[Emblia]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75452&oldid=73332 * Keymaker * (+19) Category
08:46:14 <shachaf> zzo38: Oh, I think I see what was going on.
08:48:37 <b_jonas> unix terminal job control?
08:49:39 <shachaf> Something like that.
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08:49:48 <shachaf> I guess it's SIGTTIN.
09:14:59 <shachaf> I'm pretty confusilated by how all this works.
09:21:44 <shachaf> I do understand why it was behaving differently under strace, at least.
09:23:53 <esowiki> [[Factor]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75453&oldid=75449 * Bangyen * (+1) 
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09:39:35 <int-e> meh, how does one finde the requisite data for the bonus challenge at http://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/ponderthis/challenges/July2020.html
09:42:51 <esowiki> [[Emblia]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75454&oldid=75452 * Keymaker * (+1075) Translating into Natyre.
09:45:06 <esowiki> [[Natyre]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75455&oldid=53028 * Keymaker * (+19) OISC category.
09:57:19 <shachaf> int-e: They took a lot creative liberty with the Hebrew spellings, so probably you just make something up.
09:58:14 <int-e> shachaf: The bonus question asks for a real alphabet.
09:58:52 <int-e> For the challenge itself, yes, you can make the alphabet up completely.
09:59:46 <int-e> "real" includes conlangs and fictional languages, but presumably not ones that were invented this month ;)
09:59:54 <shachaf> Sure, but I mean that even with a "real" alphabet they chose spellings kind of arbitrarily.
10:00:34 <int-e> If they allowed that it would make the bonus question pointless.
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10:00:58 <int-e> You could just submit the "Hebrew" spelling that they used as an example.
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10:06:03 <shachaf> Oh, I see.
10:06:07 <shachaf> The example satisfies their constraint.
10:06:11 <shachaf> OK, never mind.
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10:48:47 <wib_jonas> "<shachaf> int-e: They took a lot creative liberty with the Hebrew spellings, so probably you just make something up."  => it doesn't look like that to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_alphabet#Alphabet_2 indicates that they are all normal spellings, in particular pe is spelled out with either an alif or a he.
10:49:20 <shachaf> They put vowels in some of the letters and not others, seemingly arbitrarily.
10:49:33 <wib_jonas> shachaf: they put vowels for long vowels like hebrew usually does
10:50:11 <wib_jonas> admittedly letter names in many alphabets often have multiple spellings because people mostly use them in speech
10:50:41 <shachaf> What makes it be "LMD" and "TAV"?
10:51:28 <wib_jonas> shcahaf: oh, the TAV might be cheating, I didn't pay attention to that
10:51:31 <wib_jonas> then you're right, sorry
10:51:48 <wib_jonas> and so is the VAV
10:52:06 <wib_jonas> ok, you're absolutely right, that is cheating unless it's just a typo and the correct spellings give the right sequence
10:52:20 <wib_jonas> they do say "(Here some of the letters are spelled somewhat irregularly.)"
10:52:34 <shachaf> I think the point is that they're cheating.
10:53:20 <wib_jonas> different topic:
10:53:32 <wib_jonas> Ron Graham, mathematician and juggler, author of Concrete Mathematics, has passed away on 2020-07-06. Rest in peace.
10:54:08 <myname> "mathematician and juggler"
10:54:33 <fizzie> That's the book that looks like it's made out of concrete, right? 
10:54:33 <wib_jonas> yes, those are the two things he was famous for
10:55:02 <wib_jonas> fizzie: no, you're thinking of doorstopper fantasy series
10:55:25 <wib_jonas> I would link the relevant article from TvTropes but I'd rather not during work time
10:55:26 <arseniiv> Graham :(
10:56:29 <arseniiv> wib_jonas: Conc. Math in some editions has a Σ etched in concrete at its cover :)
10:56:33 <fizzie> Concrete Mathematics and generatingfunctionology are two coursebooks I remember the covers of.
10:57:11 <wib_jonas> arseniiv: hmm. let me look up, I think I've only seen one old English edition
10:57:18 <wib_jonas> once, long ago
10:57:27 <wib_jonas> I've never seen a recent edition in original English
10:57:52 <fizzie> https://amazon.co.uk/Concrete-Mathematics-Foundation-Computer-Science/dp/0201558025/ has the cover I remember.
10:58:07 <wib_jonas> ok, it does look like a Sigma etched into some rough surface
10:58:43 <fizzie> On the other hand, generatingfunctionology I probably just remember because of the all-lowercase spelling of the funny name.
11:10:03 <int-e> https://www.omniglot.com/writing/alphabets.htm is the best source I have so far, and it's not consistent enough to be convenient.
11:11:54 <int-e> And many languages are useless. In german, the letters officially stand for themselves, so the game is the identity transformation.
11:11:56 <wib_jonas> int-e: again, that's because spelling out the names of letters is usually not standardized. I remember a discussion on whether the greek letter xi should be spelled "xí" or "kszí" in Hungarian.
11:12:07 <int-e> Oh sure.
11:12:26 <int-e> There are some notable exceptions like greek.
11:12:29 <wib_jonas> you should try one of the many telephone alphabets instead
11:12:46 <wib_jonas> there are a lot of those
11:13:16 <int-e> uh. why did I dismiss that idea...
11:13:30 <wib_jonas> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_alphabet lists a ton of radio/telephone alphabets just for English
11:16:44 <wib_jonas> there are also like three telephone alphabets for Hungarian, with mostly given names as the letter names, but lots of variants because some of the less common letters really don't have good given names to work with
11:16:51 <int-e> They're unlikely to work, but at least they're easy to find.
11:19:16 <wib_jonas> you can tell there are a lot of variants because I telephone-spell out my last name differently from my parents, despite that the spelling is the same
11:26:01 <Arcorann> The question states the alphabet can be invented, so the spellings don't have to be real
11:26:51 <Arcorann> Wait, I missed that you were talking about the bonus question
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11:47:39 <int-e> wib_jonas: "usually not standardized" may indeed be the problem
11:48:53 <esowiki> [[Number Seventy-Four]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75461&oldid=75429 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+661) 
11:49:04 <int-e> (found a candidate that I hate but expect to get away with)
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11:57:08 <esowiki> [[Vitsy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75466&oldid=70567 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-56) cats + I want to know if external or not
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12:11:52 <esowiki> [[Talk:Techno]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75468 * Ais523 * (+1400) an alternative TCness proof, based on [[Tip]]
12:15:11 <esowiki> [[Tip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75469&oldid=63529 * Ais523 * (+20) /* Specification */ a halt command special case that was useful in practice: 1/0= when the other commands are rationals expressed as ratios of integers
12:18:26 <esowiki> [[Talk:Techno]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75470&oldid=75468 * Ais523 * (+515) and with nothing hardcoded
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13:58:37 <esowiki> [[User:ZippyMagician/Ideas]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75473&oldid=75437 * ZippyMagician * (+496) Add new language
14:11:43 <esowiki> [[User:ZippyMagician/Ideas]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75474&oldid=75473 * ZippyMagician * (+75) Additional Example
14:11:50 <esowiki> [[Emblia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75475&oldid=75454 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-9) the pipe is null
14:18:22 <esowiki> [[User:ZippyMagician/Ideas]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75476&oldid=75474 * ZippyMagician * (+507) Info
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15:41:40 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move  * Emerald *  moved [[Q 1.0]] to [[Qu 1.0]]: Too similar to others
15:42:31 <arseniiv> wib_jonas: b_jonas: int-e: on "xí" and "kszí". Oh :D but surely there is a set of variants deemed far righter than other alternatives? Like in Russian you can call β “бета” (the most used in edited literature), with a lot of reluctance “бэта” (that would be more phonetic if the alphabet would always be used as a phonetic one), but “бэтта” would be a clear sign of incompetence. On the other hand, for λ one has literary “
15:42:31 <arseniiv> лямбда” and “ламбда” (the second would be marked for me, I’ve seen it far less; one example is a translation of Barendregt’s λ-calculus monograph) and maybe even “ламда” (all three have their own merit etymologically) and I don’t remember its name being written in a silly way compared to β. Also as may be expected many letters’ names leave no room for accidental misspellings, like π
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16:46:19 <esowiki> [[Qu 1.0]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75492&oldid=75478 * Emerald * (+0) 
16:59:42 <esowiki> [[User talk:Truttle1]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75493&oldid=73176 * Emerald * (+408) /* I would not be here if not for you. :) */ new section
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17:13:08 <esowiki> [[User:ZippyMagician/Ideas]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75495&oldid=75476 * ZippyMagician * (+205) 
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17:14:54 <Emerald> Has anyone been in the esolangs server also in the community portal page?
17:17:21 <Emerald> No one?
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17:23:39 <esowiki> [[User:ZippyMagician/Ideas]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75496&oldid=75495 * ZippyMagician * (+192) Add examples
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17:30:28 <esowiki> [[User:Emerald/ideas]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75499 * Emerald * (+108) Created page with "* [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-HVO6dL1yBiRLJp3_7SecD4zjP0ihx0jFGDl2yUTKx4/edit|this] as an Esolang."
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18:21:54 <esowiki> [[Talk:BF-ASM:8]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75503&oldid=75262 * DmilkaSTD * (-1933) Blanked the page
18:22:32 <esowiki> [[BF-ASM:8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75504&oldid=75322 * DmilkaSTD * (-4478) Replaced content with "'''BF-ASM:8''' is an esoteric programming language made to be compiled to [[brainfuck]] [[Category:Languages]] [[Category:Cell-based]] [[Category:2020]] Category:Unimple..."
18:24:08 <esowiki> [[BF-ASM:8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75505&oldid=75504 * DmilkaSTD * (+11) I said that really early
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18:40:13 <esowiki> [[User:Emerald/ideas]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75507&oldid=75499 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) fix link
18:44:17 <esowiki> [[Etcha]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75508&oldid=74749 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+137) /* Instructions */ wikitablify
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18:45:57 <esowiki> [[BF-ASM:8]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75510&oldid=75506 * DmilkaSTD * (+248) 
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19:24:34 <Camto[m]> Wow if that's not a page banner
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19:51:49 <esowiki> [[User:ZippyMagician/Ideas]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75513&oldid=75501 * ZippyMagician * (+209) Update Syntax
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20:15:39 <esowiki> [[User:Emerald]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75516&oldid=75498 * Emerald * (+41) /* Ideas */
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20:17:39 <zzo38> Now I added a command in TeXnicard to import pictures into the card database. Hopefully, someone who is able to help can help with making rendering templates for Magic: the Gathering and/or whatever other card games you might do; I think the software is enough to start doing such thing at least, even if it is not yet completed.
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20:28:23 <arseniiv> @ask rain1 do you know how could one take a square root of a cyclotomic x ∈ Q_n, finding the result in some Q_{kn}? Can’t find anything more than formulas for x ∈ Z
20:28:23 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
20:32:20 <b_jonas> arseniiv: yeah, I think "lamda" vs "lambda" even came up some time earlier on #esoteric
20:36:10 <arseniiv> `? password
20:36:13 <HackEso> The password of the month is still up for grabs.
20:39:18 <b_jonas> arseniiv: I don't know which one is more correct, because I don't know any definitive authority for this, plus authorities can differ. "kszí" is used a lot for xi, but I prefer "xí" because the first letter of the name is obviously the same as the name itself and that one is usually transcribed as "x". similarly I prefer "zéta" over "dzéta". this doesn't solve "lambda" vs "lamda", there I don't know 
20:39:24 <b_jonas> enough details about the etymology to determine which one is better.
20:40:09 <b_jonas> the can also differ between whether you're talking about the letter as used in ancient greek, the letter as used in modern greek, or the letter as used for technical symbols such as in mathematical formulas or names of nearby stars 
20:40:12 <myname> i always take it as lambda (maybe because of my native language, who knows) until i saw ramda.js which i always write wrong
20:41:30 <arseniiv> <b_jonas> the can also differ between whether you're talking about the letter as used in ancient greek, the letter as used in modern greek, or the letter as used for technical symbols such as in mathematical formulas or names of nearby stars => yeah
20:45:33 <esowiki> [[Your Time Is Up]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75517 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+2187) Created page with "'''Your Time Is Up''' is a [[string]]-[[rewriting]] esolang by [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]].  ==Syntax and Semantics== Programs in Your Time Is Up are in binary, composed e..."
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22:26:54 <esowiki> [[Talk:Techno]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75528&oldid=75470 * Keymaker * (+148) 
22:32:17 <esowiki> [[Techno]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75529&oldid=75459 * Keymaker * (+97) Link alternative proof.
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