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02:54:46 <adu> Where do I find a cuneiform expert online at this hour?
02:55:17 <zzo38> I don't know? But I suppose you could try writing and see if anyone responds later.
02:55:22 <adu> "๐๐น๐๐ ๐ท๐น๐ ๐ด๐๐ฆ ๐ญ๐ก ๐ข๐ต ๐ฃ๐บ๐ ๐๐๐จ ๐๐๐ ๐ฟ๐
๐ ๐ฅ"
02:55:41 <int-e> `unidecode ๐๐น๐๐
02:55:43 <HackEso> โ[U+1224F CUNEIFORM SIGN NIM] [U+12079 CUNEIFORM SIGN DISH] [U+12111 CUNEIFORM SIGN GISH] [U+12041 CUNEIFORM SIGN BAD]
02:56:04 <int-e> . o O ( BAD SIGN )
02:56:12 <adu> I know how it sounds, it took me a week to transcribe it
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03:21:04 <int-e> adu: I don't actually see the symbols in my terminal. (But I also have no clue what they are.)
03:22:09 <adu> how to paste image on irc...?
03:22:45 <adu> https://www.studenthandouts.com/00/200002/babylonian-cuneiform-capstone.jpg
03:24:28 <adu> So this is probably the stupidest translation job, because it's allegedly already translated
03:27:14 <Arcorann> I remember reading something about that, seem to remember it being not that old
03:27:31 <adu> Yes, it's from 1980
03:27:48 <adu> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
03:28:50 <zzo38> Probably best is a URL to link (like you have), although I have also seen magnet: URLs (which, if they don't specify how to download them, aren't very useful unless you already have it), and data: URIs (which are too long).
03:28:55 <int-e> I forgot my russian numbers. 100, 1000, 1000000, all gone.
03:30:45 <Arcorann> But where does the cuneiform come from in that case?
03:32:10 <int-e> That's an odd one.
03:33:38 <int-e> *checks* almost 4.5 billion people at the time
03:33:51 <int-e> so wtf is that 500M number?
03:34:02 <adu> Probably the work of the devil
03:35:26 <adu> so the "10 evil commandments" are written in 8 living languages, which have probably been read by someone in their native language
03:35:50 <adu> there's a shorter phrase written on the top in 4 dead languages, which is what I'm interested in
03:36:24 <adu> like does it really say the phrase as the English that is offered up? or does it have some evil nuance?
03:38:22 <int-e> https://worldeventsandthebible.com/documentary/mystery-of-georgia-guidestones seems to suggest "Let These Be Guidestones To Reason"
03:39:09 <int-e> (I quackquackwent "Georgia Guidestones" "babylonian")
03:39:19 <Arcorann> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones#Explanatory_tablet <-- also stated here
03:40:18 <int-e> Arcorann: Ah. Reading is hard :)
03:41:30 <int-e> (And skimming is harder... "Around the edges of the square are written translations to" is too convoluted for me to be parsed instantly.)
03:41:56 <adu> https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=el&tl=en&text=%CE%91%CF%85%CF%84%CE%AD%CF%82%20%CE%BF%CE%AF%20%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B8%CE%BF%CE%B9%20%CF%84%CE%B7%CE%BD%20%CE%BF%CE%B4%CF%8C%CE%BD%0A%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%BD%CF%85%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%89%CE%BD%20%CE%B1%CE%B9%CF%89%CE%BD%CE%B9%20%CF%83%CF%89%CF%86%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%83%CF%85%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%82
03:41:58 <zzo38> They are ten different things, I think. The third one isn't so good; people can speak whatever language they like to do.
03:41:59 <int-e> I find the "to" very subtle :)
03:43:01 <adu> So the ancient greek is supposed to be "Ancient" but if you put it in a modern greek translater, you get that
03:43:10 <adu> "These stones the way, Indicators of eternal wisdom"
03:43:24 <int-e> Maintaining 500M population sounds great, but there's no peaceful way to get there.
03:43:43 <int-e> adu: That does sounds like a plausible translation.
03:43:58 <int-e> indicator <--> guide...
03:44:17 <zzo38> int-e: Well, don't have human children and then they will hopefully be reduced a bit.
03:44:57 <int-e> zzo38: Sounds good until you realize it has to be a world-wide effort to have a meaningful effect.
03:45:21 <int-e> For example, China kind of tried, and are now abandoning the attempt.
03:48:05 <int-e> Oh well, let me go for a walk before it gets warm outside. (Oh, I might actually need more than just a t-shirt. Nice.)
03:48:08 <lambdabot> LOWI 080320Z AUTO VRB01KT 9999 NCD 10/08 Q1020
03:58:00 <Arcorann> Further down it's suggested that the stones were intended for people rebuilding after the collapse of civliisation, implying that the human population would be already under 500 million
04:00:03 <zzo38> The tenth item is good, I think. But regardless of what is your opinions of any of this stuff, I think to have free speech to write what they like to write. Different people have different opinions of it, which is good.
04:01:24 <zzo38> (Except, they repeat themself)
04:02:57 <zzo38> Arcorann: Yes, that is a possibility, too. The lack of dates for the time capsule suggests they may have intended to put it later due to such thing, maybe, or maybe that is unrelated
04:04:07 <zzo38> But, I don't see the ancient languages writing on Wikipedia, just it mentions what languages it is.
04:05:57 <adu> zzo38: ikr
04:06:05 <adu> it's like a puzzle
04:06:40 <zzo38> Yes, I suppose so.
04:06:53 <adu> I haven't started on the Egyptian Hyroglyphics
04:07:20 <adu> well, I think I got the first part, "๐ด๐ซ๐
๐ป ๐๐"
04:08:25 <adu> but most of the hyroglyphics translators are of the transliteration variety
04:40:23 <adu> "เคฝเคฐเคฎเคพเคจเฅเคฆเคฟเคฐเคพเคพเคฎ เคฆเคฟเคฐเคพเคคเฅเคฏเฅเคเคพเคฏเคฎเคค"
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10:52:56 <cpressey> @tell arseniiv Maybe instead of implementing Generalized Minksy Machine in Tandem, there could just be Generalized Tandem? Associate each of the individual rewrite rules with a constructor like GMM associates each MM instruction with a constructor?
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11:07:15 <arseniiv> fungot whatโs your take on the generalized zeta functions?
11:07:16 <fungot> arseniiv: have you ever seen this strange list-of-strings behavior in their emacs? that makes no sense
11:19:01 <shachaf> int-e: Do you know if IntSat (the CDCL ILP algorithm) is good in practice?
11:19:05 <shachaf> I don't know much about ILP.
11:21:55 <shachaf> I assumed you were related due to having the same first name.
11:22:59 <int-e> Do you like munching on grass? Because of Schaf, you may remember...
11:30:46 <shachaf> That word does highlight my IRC client.
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14:00:18 <kspalaiologos> I managed to write a 15-byte truth machine for UM8
14:00:25 <HackEso> 562264926212D2A'? No such file or directory
14:01:14 <kspalaiologos> 5 IN C / 6 SWP A,C / 2 SWP A,B / 2 SWP A,B / 6 SWP A, C / 4 OUT C / 92 MOV A,2 / 6 SWP A,C / 2 SWP A,B / 1 A=B IF C / 2 SWP A, B / D SHL A, 1 / 2 SWP A, B / A MOV [IP=C], B
14:01:48 <kspalaiologos> honestly I can't see much room for improvement here
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14:08:09 <wib_jonas> 15 byte? aren't programs made of multiples of 4 byte instructions?
14:10:06 <wib_jonas> oh wait, UM8. I thought of UM-32 from the tom7 ICFP
14:12:46 <tromp> some programs are made of single bits
14:17:10 <wib_jonas> adu: I assume you already tried to search for translations on the web
14:19:06 <wib_jonas> adu: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones#Description gives a supposed translation. I don't speak akkadian, ancient greek, sanskrit, ancient egyptian, so I can't tell for sure if it's accurate.
14:20:03 <wib_jonas> so does the bottom of https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones#Inschriften , which gives an English translation too
14:20:32 <wib_jonas> I assume that's not a backtranslation, but the original claimed by the creators of the monument that they were trying to translate to those languages.
14:21:03 <wib_jonas> so there are probably actually inaccurate translations, as these monuments usually go
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18:24:43 <zzo38> Now I read about Quasijarus compression format, which has the same .Z extension as UNIX compression, but the format is like gzip except the different header, which doesn't include the filename and timestamp.
18:26:11 <zzo38> (That is apparently now the compression format used in BSD.)
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18:42:52 <zzo38> (Or at least, some versions of BSD.)
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18:48:52 <b_jonas> zzo38: how does such a format even get created? isn't gzip as old as zlib?
18:49:05 <b_jonas> and the filename is optional in the gzip format
18:49:45 <b_jonas> I know people also use zlib without the header, but that's mostly for network formats
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18:54:25 <zzo38> I think this format is supported only on VAX versions of BSD (although it could easily be implemented on other systems too), and they did that because they didn't want GNU software in their system nor the extra stuff in the gzip header, but also didn't like LZW and wanted a better compression algorithm.
19:04:11 <esowiki> [[User:ZippyMagician/Ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75577&oldid=75527 * ZippyMagician * (+13) Update
19:04:24 <esowiki> [[User:ZippyMagician/Ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75578&oldid=75577 * ZippyMagician * (+1) Same as last change
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19:13:31 <lucky> zzo38: Quasijarus is a VAX version of 4.3 BSD from the 80s, and yes it's to switch to gzip algorithm while keeping the whole current system otherwise unchanged
19:13:49 <lucky> is a modern branch of*
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23:28:00 <esowiki> [[User:ZippyMagician/Ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75600&oldid=75599 * ZippyMagician * (+2) /* Programs */
23:47:19 <esowiki> [[Dig]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75601&oldid=75593 * Emerald * (-5) /* Hello World */
23:50:10 <esowiki> [[Dig]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75602&oldid=75601 * Emerald * (+0) /* Hello World */
23:53:29 <b_jonas> ICFP contest homepage updated btw
23:54:33 <esowiki> [[Dig]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75603&oldid=75602 * Emerald * (+1) /* Hello World */
23:55:29 <esowiki> [[Rubic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75604&oldid=75567 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+19) /* Example programs */ cat