< 1595289651 308343 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that one is probably still a DOS platform) < 1595289724 465715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "DOS extender" is the standard term for DOS4GW and it's ilk, for better or worse. < 1595289770 65745 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there really an "its ilk"? I mean, are there ones like it that aren't just versions of DOS4GW? < 1595289785 114634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure. < 1595289835 481794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CWSDPMI from DJGPP, maybe most popularly. < 1595289845 888974 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there are DOS reimplementations, like freedos, the stuff in some windows NT versions, and the DOS in OS-2 < 1595289862 65526 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks, I'm not too familiar with DOS programming < 1595289891 483915 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595289904 314158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and PMODE/W, for Watcom. < 1595289966 216523 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe actually the DOS-based windows platforms (Windows 3, Windows 95, Windows 95 OSR2, Windows 98) should count as "its ilk", when they're running a native program < 1595290244 699095 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are all of those 32-bit DOS extenders, or are some of them 16-bit protected mode ones like Win16? < 1595290384 859800 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-skrqflelosmncsyk JOIN :#esoteric < 1595290399 565331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595290399 565394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595290831 756578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of those were for the 32-bit protected mode on a 386, I think. But I think 16-bit DPMI servers existed too. < 1595291762 249280 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is Windows 3.0 or windows 3.1 one of them? < 1595291805 781513 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how DPMI works < 1595292105 855177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH, I don't remember the details all that well, although I did know it moderately well at some point. Yes, I think Windows 3.x implements both 16- and 32-bit DPMI for DOS programs. < 1595292141 716755 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only windows 3.1 I think, windows 3.0 doesn't < 1595292462 293776 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1595292615 980099 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1595293403 798147 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595293496 692260 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a 64-bit DPMI (or "DLMI")? < 1595293602 680376 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595295976 453300 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f JOIN :#esoteric < 1595296275 465084 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1595297455 195341 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9F+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76073&oldid=68662 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (-2) 10/* Links */ Wait no NOT C++ but just C. < 1595297648 991110 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595298990 215616 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:ec5a:ad1:21e0:91bc QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1595299004 76375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Stormboy876 5* 10New user account < 1595299232 320645 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f JOIN :#esoteric < 1595299497 302817 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1595300204 697832 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1595302473 414780 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f JOIN :#esoteric < 1595302773 477170 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595302869 666839 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595302937 436211 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-skrqflelosmncsyk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1595304762 876889 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Affine Mess14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76074&oldid=76053 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+104) 10Clarification > 1595305306 275654 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:The Past14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76075&oldid=71405 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+401) 10Time travel doesn't matter? < 1595305718 782322 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f JOIN :#esoteric < 1595306022 775817 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1595306415 159039 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595306437 149502 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595307670 522605 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595307765 53065 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting patterns pop up where you least expect them. a better formulation for RAM in string rewrite rules, when utilizing the address:value pair approach, would be to always move the last-read value to the head of the list of pairs. you'd end up with more recently used addresses accessed far quicker which.. behaves suspiciously like a cache. < 1595308963 371450 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f JOIN :#esoteric < 1595309271 410076 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595311735 443737 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:75c1:8208:b699:2c1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595312045 400374 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:75c1:8208:b699:2c1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595313539 779898 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:75c1:8208:b699:2c1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595313653 617478 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595314705 279767 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly in future once TeXnicard is made up more, some people may wish to set up SSH to access TeXnicard on the internet, so that it can be used from Windows as well as Linux. (If doing so, one thing that might be useful to provide there would be a program for users to manage groups, in order to control who has access to the card database.) > 1595314820 462218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76076&oldid=76072 5* 03Duckologist 5* (+94) 10Fix typo and add "~~~~" < 1595315328 402150 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The software is nevertheless designed to be usable locally, and does not use a internet connection, but to be able to import/export change sets so that you still can make collaboration with others using internet, or by copying the files to an external disk or CompactFlash or whatever) < 1595315723 970338 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1595316170 874791 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595316292 850941 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1285333002252247040.html this was cool < 1595316521 602426 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That < 1595316544 808535 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's certainly a paranoid way of looking at it < 1595317156 113025 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pretty interesting concept though! < 1595317179 800059 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is unfortunate how opaque these modern AI things are < 1595317198 328168 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're just self organized and automatically trained soups of weights < 1595318386 675586 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the main mistake here is that we tend to train a single AI for a task. So it'll make consistently flawed decisions at massive scale. This doesn't happen when you delegate similar tasks to people (who are far from perfect) because individuals can't be scaled up, so you are forced to allow some diversity in the decision making process. < 1595318435 509866 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, just a thought on top of the usual idea that AIs should be able to justify their decisions in some human comrpehensible form. < 1595318932 975315 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595319490 499103 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Girl Genius didn't update yesterday < 1595319553 911593 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, pity. < 1595319575 943345 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering how Krosp will cope with the ensuing poisoning. < 1595319830 706778 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1595320516 165416 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76077&oldid=75477 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+205) 10more betterness, less worseness < 1595321379 512960 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a8dd/2ef009df7601cdbc90332765a56a24c7821c.pdf < 1595321389 357959 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting result, ww is not context free but wm where m =/= w is < 1595321433 912087 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen it before, it's a fun exercise < 1595321469 197530 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was folklore though. < 1595321590 417058 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more to the point, I thought that was the canonical example for showing that CFGs are not closed under complement. < 1595321617 409608 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to think about why ww is not context free, that's a shame, i should know that < 1595321624 34025 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah > 1595321630 659908 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76078 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3524) 10Created page with "
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1595321812 656428 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76079&oldid=76078 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3525) 10 < 1595321883 821557 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[7] is golden < 1595321947 475392 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1595322184 393690 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dblp.uni-trier.de/pers/hd/t/Tomaszewski:Zach is the same person < 1595322193 403777 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly the formal languages expert :P < 1595322571 918628 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1595322613 623511 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76080&oldid=76079 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3618) 10 > 1595322651 48078 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0725614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76081&oldid=76070 5* 03Duckologist 5* (+288) 10Better example and information for 5 and 2 command, and added how variables can be printed (also fixed typos) > 1595322652 334966 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76082&oldid=76080 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3617) 10 > 1595322748 322774 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76083&oldid=76082 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3617) 10 > 1595322809 869954 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76084&oldid=76083 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3617) 10 > 1595322853 619654 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76085&oldid=76084 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3617) 10 > 1595322925 588124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76086&oldid=76085 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3617) 10 > 1595322962 832069 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76087&oldid=76086 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3617) 10 > 1595323156 915558 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76088&oldid=76087 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+4208) 10 > 1595323378 357629 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76089&oldid=76088 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3836) 10 > 1595323520 118407 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76090&oldid=76089 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3866) 10 > 1595323646 552736 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76091&oldid=75834 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+38) 10Clear up syntax > 1595323743 644776 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76092&oldid=76090 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+4845) 10 > 1595323746 717454 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76093&oldid=76091 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+43) 10/* Syntax */ < 1595323860 750749 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF?! < 1595323959 213630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, what a user talk page. < 1595323960 157734 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...those user talk page edits... < 1595324007 861973 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you can insert html there? < 1595324108 909793 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's arbitrary CSS. < 1595324115 703653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1595324146 924758 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML. Mind wandering: allowing custom CSS is why this is allowed for
elements, I think. < 1595324479 231077 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely that's breaking some sort of rule about talk pages < 1595324484 179176 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: So basically I think this is working as designed... but CSS is crazy. < 1595324501 782892 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :css IS crazy < 1595324516 58765 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :css3 and html5 together are tc iirc < 1595324548 667158 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HTML5" is a huge bag of crap. < 1595324554 896859 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1595324593 73040 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i basically know about html5 is video/audio and also elements like dialog that look weirdly foreign to me < 1595324619 500426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's not referring just to a plain markup language; it includes DOM and a lot of other Javascript crap. < 1595324643 927619 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that's how I understand it. < 1595324657 508987 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recently re-learned about the navigator object < 1595324670 184977 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5#New_APIs < 1595324679 528373 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole object is basically hardcoded legacy api < 1595324711 273338 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and of course i stumbled over it while looking at code i kinda have to work with) < 1595324750 169132 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :web storage is awesome! < 1595324819 61237 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what annoys me the most are all those websites that ask for permission to send notification for no reason < 1595324960 43040 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that the primary use of those technologies will be better tracking < 1595324973 95054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of them do the notification thing on the initial page load, before you've even seen any of the content, that's the stupidest part. < 1595324983 931567 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe, but i wouldn't want to go back to the web of the 90s < 1595325038 47772 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that odd notification service where the browser calls home to ask for new messages and the website gets an (identifiable) external link to send those messages to? < 1595325043 402390 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all pretty terrible. < 1595325105 567681 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody should make a proper glossary for such terms. "richer browsing experience" = targeted ads. < 1595325144 147358 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microdata_(HTML) ) < 1595325166 840499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"more relevant results" = targeted ads < 1595325213 581792 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really too bad that Google (with Chrome as a driver) is so powerful in the W3C. > 1595325245 705835 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76094&oldid=76057 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+1372) 10 < 1595325312 73759 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's difficult < 1595325322 234223 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is really good stuff < 1595325346 106459 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i even am kinda okay with that whole "oh no, our adblockers will not work anymore" api change < 1595325699 428475 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they can do whatever they want with their browser. I'd feel better about it if nobody used it though :P < 1595325781 325417 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still can't my wrap around how they manage to destroy their mobile browser > 1595325820 361452 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Heavpoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76095&oldid=75345 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+1686) 10 < 1595325948 541480 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:ccd2:804e:afc2:4ef JOIN :#esoteric > 1595325952 240737 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76096&oldid=76077 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+132) 10 > 1595325976 339044 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Heavpoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76097&oldid=76095 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+12254) 10 > 1595325986 154094 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76098&oldid=76096 5* 03Osmarks 5* (-1) 10 < 1595326012 403018 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, while I'm being paranoid: who's behind gravatar and what are they doing with all their tracking data? < 1595326039 964143 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, am I to assume that Heavpoot and Osmarks are the same person? > 1595326267 994564 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Heavpoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76099&oldid=76097 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+36205) 10 > 1595326777 550630 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76100&oldid=76098 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+267) 10 > 1595326974 270431 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Heavpoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76101&oldid=76099 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (-49539) 10Replaced content with "[[User:Heavpoot]] is a humanoid entity which exists, and is corporeal, much like most members of this community. ==Languages made== * Various undocumented esolangs which w..." > 1595327270 993567 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks/114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76102 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+4) 10Created page with "TODO" > 1595327282 781577 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76103&oldid=76100 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+72) 10 > 1595327318 503789 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks/114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76104&oldid=76102 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+102) 10 > 1595327360 669105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Heavpoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76105&oldid=76101 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+536) 10 > 1595327474 183625 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76106&oldid=76103 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+124) 10 > 1595327658 148051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Heavpoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76107&oldid=76105 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+134) 10 > 1595327860 486972 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Main Page14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76108&oldid=76028 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (-63) 10fixed typos < 1595327895 337269 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't get why google made duet mode useless > 1595328035 762277 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76109&oldid=76108 5* 03Int-e 5* (+63) 10Undo revision 76108 by [[Special:Contributions/Heavpoot|Heavpoot]] ([[User talk:Heavpoot|talk]]) -- revert vandalism < 1595328056 645079 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs dramatically. > 1595328601 103724 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76110&oldid=76093 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+300) 10Add IO pipes > 1595328809 366528 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76111&oldid=76110 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-23) 10/* I/O */ < 1595328886 98251 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1595328910 205180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76112&oldid=76111 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+18) 10/* I/O */ > 1595328994 635130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76113&oldid=76112 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+4) 10/* I/O */ < 1595329011 251002 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1595329062 882530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76114&oldid=76113 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+0) 10/* Examples */ < 1595329105 915892 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1595329106 271004 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1595329125 248627 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76115&oldid=76114 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+20) 10/* Examples */ < 1595330300 996400 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1595330323 558062 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-quiet < 1595330323 558113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1595330329 703398 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1595330329 703468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages > 1595330340 176938 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MAWP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76116&oldid=74420 5* 03Dion 5* (+61) 10 < 1595330349 98151 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1595330349 202037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1595330443 964945 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595330636 97106 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595330641 895195 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let { data CoNat = Z | S CoNat | Inf; prec' Z = Nothing; prec' (S n) = Just n; prec' Inf = Just Inf; succ' Nothing = Z; succ' (Just Inf) = Inf; succ' (Just n) = S n; } -- explicit encoding of conaturals is useful sometimes, and in this formulation prec' and succ' are mutual inverses, though this succ' may be less useful than its summands < 1595330643 246755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:189:14: error: < 1595330643 246799 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Multiple declarations of ‘S’ < 1595330643 246808 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Declared at: .L.hs:164:12 < 1595330669 274410 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :t S < 1595330671 464839 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: error: parse error on input ‘:’ < 1595330678 727405 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type S < 1595330679 888537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ski < 1595330684 837601 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha < 1595330691 370062 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@info Ski < 1595330691 370109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ski < 1595330691 793077 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fair! < 1595330700 486685 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are conaturals? < 1595330720 653470 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is when you treat `data Nat = Z | S Nat` as a codata < 1595330734 168821 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1595330744 577273 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are, primarily, a coalgebra, but they admit successor anyway < 1595330773 905230 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get how that's different from naturals, maybe besides inf < 1595330779 936395 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m bad at expaining this, yeah < 1595330841 248005 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inf and its properties are a natural (oh, pun) consequence of this codata-coalgebra vs. algebra thing < 1595330864 819156 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, they aren’t just a coalgebra, they are a final coalgebra, like Nat is an initial algebra < 1595330870 776646 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the same functor < 1595330878 841965 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that should make this a bit clearer < 1595330883 382841 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the functor is Maybe < 1595330908 384737 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, in mathematical terms, X ↦ 1 + X) > 1595330967 958871 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76117&oldid=76056 5* 03DanielCristofani 5* (+108) 10/* Examples */ > 1595330974 132271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76118&oldid=75958 5* 03D 5* (+34) 10 > 1595331130 586063 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks/114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76119&oldid=76104 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+1362) 10 < 1595331141 513404 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :an initial algebra means there is an unique morphism from it to any other algebra on the same functor, and now I tried to write its signature and mixed up something < 1595331331 602423 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be { foldNat :: Nat → (Maybe a → a) → a; foldNat Z f = f Nothing; foldNat (S n) f = f (Just $ foldNat n f) } if I’m not mistaken > 1595331378 412523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76120&oldid=76118 5* 03D 5* (+1) 10/* Instruction list */ < 1595331400 140052 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and succ' :: Maybe Nat → Nat is a Nat algebra itself > 1595331680 66903 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76121&oldid=76120 5* 03D 5* (+52) 10/* Primalty Tester */ < 1595331714 392681 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, CoNat is a final coalgebra which means there is a unique morphism to it from any Maybe-coalgebra, which means < 1595331714 536614 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ unfoldCoNat :: a → (a → Maybe a) → CoNat; unfoldCoNat x f = case f x of { Nothing → Z; Just y → S $ unfoldCoNat y f } } < 1595331714 536660 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this definition doesn’t work properly with an explicit encoding, as it should somehow detect infinite recursion and return Inf in that case. If we take plain Nat and treat it as codata, that would work fine, because Inf is encoded as `inf = S inf` there < 1595331820 745596 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we also of course have that Nat is a coalgebra (there is precNat :: Nat → Maybe Nat) and CoNat is an algebra (succ' above), just not the final/initial ones < 1595331903 777104 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used an explicit encoding of CoNat in a non-haskell implemetation of “run the machine an amount of steps, or to the end, and tell if it was aborted or halted naturally” < 1595331991 541506 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a lazy language of course an implicit “Nat is codata” encoding suffices just right before one wants to know if they specified an infinite amount of steps or not, in finite time < 1595332090 494445 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :“run the machine an amount of steps, or to the end, and tell if it was aborted or halted naturally” → and the latter just uses prec' to decide if there are any available steps to continue. 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At one point, someone had to switch a robot from big-endian to small-endian. < 1595351837 443771 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, at one point, someone was trying to catch a pokemon, but a second guy had tricked him and was actually following him (using some sort of quantum link) and caught the pokemon instead. But when the second guy tried to open the ball, the pokemon always disliked the second guy and went with the first guy, but refused to enter the first guy's ball and always went in the second guy's ball. < 1595352308 31996 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would think that such a thing would be inconvenient for everyone involved.) > 1595352669 614819 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MAWP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76125&oldid=76116 5* 03Dion 5* (+21) 10 < 1595353453 560321 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: very strange things < 1595353727 363414 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595354550 846559 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1595354572 919059 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595354716 151086 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-bebelkwvifzjgufa QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595355403 863315 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595355423 843395 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1595355659 174674 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595355996 963766 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vkixteckoyzuqnkx JOIN :#esoteric < 1595357246 957153 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595357827 653111 :ATMunn!ATMunn@2a01:20e:1000:119::2 QUIT :Quit: lol rip < 1595357830 386650 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1595357976 230911 :ATMunn!ATMunn@gateway/shell/hellomouse/x-ibwhbzcuhjjiwgva JOIN :#esoteric < 1595357990 441395 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1595358056 465821 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1595358119 407922 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1595358182 495807 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1595358414 530150 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1595359216 589951 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595359955 591933 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1595361141 420674 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595362169 435998 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595363776 478135 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1595363854 337913 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07KeyVM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76126&oldid=70822 5* 03Void 5* (+447) 10/* Distinguishing features */ < 1595363958 106082 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1595364201 364015 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07KeyVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76127&oldid=76126 5* 03Void 5* (-1) 10/* Computational class */ > 1595365258 277897 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Eiim 5* 10New user account > 1595365391 355192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76128&oldid=76094 5* 03Eiim 5* (+217) 10Introduced self < 1595366430 140628 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the generic convergent sequence is not discrete < 1595367876 557109 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1595369338 787000 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595369452 978043 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595369579 3693 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1595369654 924374 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1595371755 741333 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1595372272 937254 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595372385 218329 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595372440 762870 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1595372704 797767 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595372726 992501 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1595372749 970985 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1595372889 565915 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1595373414 319595 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595374099 699452 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38