< 1593561602 932191 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1593561623 318445 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric > 1593562185 699841 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Aneurysm9 5* 10New user account > 1593562377 967194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74825&oldid=74694 5* 03Aneurysm9 5* (+204) 10 > 1593562394 923432 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Intcode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74826&oldid=73761 5* 03Aneurysm9 5* (+4) 10Update AoC 2019 link to permalink < 1593563579 14577 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1593563832 531429 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1593564373 164127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07REsKrIb!lo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74827&oldid=38934 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+30) 10Cats < 1593567251 992098 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1593569501 9878 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1593569560 900070 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1593569965 889623 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1593571544 58080 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Byskit-dev 5* 10New user account > 1593572203 983224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74828&oldid=74825 5* 03Byskit-dev 5* (+159) 10/* Introductions */ < 1593572534 572184 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593573234 482825 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1593574163 924998 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1593577034 562369 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1593577044 990289 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1593577165 739189 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1593577254 615105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ProjectCF 5* 10New user account > 1593577564 749943 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74829&oldid=74828 5* 03ProjectCF 5* (+137) 10 < 1593578767 777624 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1593579580 24451 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:7d1e:9389:4335:e132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593579777 482095 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:a8cd:bd53:575f:65d2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1593580366 757615 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of that you might want to make statistics of random packs of cards, computing the statistics without generating them at random. This is probably possible with what I have so far, if VERIFY and SCRIPT are not used. But if VERIFY and/or SCRIPT are used, then it would probably be more difficult. < 1593582327 975672 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593582943 39265 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:11d6:4715:2151:fb41 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593583020 463979 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Byskit-dev14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74830 5* 03Byskit-dev 5* (+316) 10Created page with "Hi I like esolangs and I come up with ideas for esolangs Here are some things I have though of: * Functional - a collection of functional languages (i.e. [[Python]], JavaScri..." < 1593583083 16046 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:7d1e:9389:4335:e132 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1593583133 295402 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74831&oldid=74829 5* 03Byskit-dev 5* (+27) 10/* Introductions */ > 1593583170 565006 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74832&oldid=74831 5* 03Byskit-dev 5* (-1) 10/* Introductions */ < 1593584654 71394 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:d8b8:8b00:d599:dd19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593585359 632896 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:31e8:da61:65fe:88d4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593585540 113054 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:11d6:4715:2151:fb41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1593586575 777410 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593587609 421240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidStackLanguage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74833&oldid=69843 5* 03Lebster 5* (+259) 10 > 1593587673 631191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidStackLanguage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74834&oldid=74833 5* 03Lebster 5* (-4) 10/* Website */ < 1593590835 463811 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.93.57 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593592522 83489 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tandem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74835&oldid=74692 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+493) 10Several edits < 1593592666 26774 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593592667 776630 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1593592727 760656 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tandem/Tandem.hs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74836&oldid=74467 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (-90) 10Update for labels are strings now, and simplify. < 1593592863 474580 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1593593279 694278 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-183.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1593593297 810819 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tandem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74837&oldid=74835 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+613) 10/* Computational class */ Add open questions about variations on the language < 1593593380 383286 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.93.57 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1593594455 775354 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593594511 98295 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidStackLanguage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74838&oldid=74834 5* 03Lebster 5* (-513) 10 < 1593594720 881300 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1593595733 216380 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidStackLanguage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74839&oldid=74838 5* 03Lebster 5* (+43) 10/* Online */ < 1593595848 128981 :rawr!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble NICK :grumble > 1593595855 844564 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidStackLanguage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74840&oldid=74839 5* 03Lebster 5* (-33) 10/* Online */ < 1593598222 680280 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1593598315 954345 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593599207 383130 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593599212 999901 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1593599287 969045 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1593601374 385089 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1593602387 444397 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74841&oldid=74778 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+52) 10 > 1593602432 279195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Anarchysm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74842&oldid=69526 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-122) 10nobody cares about me > 1593602530 724430 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Espaol14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74843&oldid=69535 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-90) 10 > 1593602882 936670 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74844&oldid=74841 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+139) 10 > 1593603101 134963 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74845&oldid=74738 5* 03DanielCristofani 5* (+265) 10 > 1593603997 156072 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rui14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74846&oldid=74845 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-1) 10rm sp < 1593604339 1267 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1593604344 973497 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Egaharjb14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74847&oldid=71312 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+11) 10 < 1593604523 808506 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1593604575 981493 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Quittin'. < 1593604593 943044 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric > 1593604626 5529 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Grapheme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74848&oldid=72790 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+20) 10/* Edge cases */ > 1593604668 291824 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Grapheme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74849&oldid=74848 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* Using variables */ > 1593604676 548052 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Grapheme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74850&oldid=74849 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Using variables */ > 1593604720 702263 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Grapheme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74851&oldid=74850 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* Modes */ > 1593604783 769602 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74852&oldid=74756 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+11) 10/* Languages */ < 1593604827 194972 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1593604849 60016 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1593604949 430055 :voidio!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1593604959 262299 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1593605252 708714 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1593605440 10719 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Functional14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74853&oldid=38828 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+33) 10/* See also */ cat > 1593605590 711801 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Anarchysm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74854&oldid=74842 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* Introduction */ < 1593605605 565249 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1593605796 804641 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unrandom14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74855&oldid=69308 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-11) 10/* Compilation */ > 1593605841 963085 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Anarchysm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74856&oldid=74854 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+83) 10/* Implementation */ cats > 1593605929 490816 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Espaol14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74857&oldid=74843 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+113) 10cats > 1593605987 369170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidStackLanguage14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74858&oldid=74840 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Operations */ < 1593606107 778472 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1593606419 203123 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:d8b8:8b00:d599:dd19 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1593606965 22266 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74859&oldid=74844 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+42) 10 > 1593607425 682098 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74860&oldid=74859 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+9) 10 < 1593607633 530403 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric > 1593608060 506515 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BytFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74861&oldid=74648 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+0) 10 > 1593608162 796802 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74862&oldid=74860 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+18) 10 > 1593608833 828725 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bigspace14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74863&oldid=74396 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+138) 10bases > 1593608959 401817 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BytFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74864&oldid=74861 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-4) 10 > 1593609590 96328 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DIVCON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74865&oldid=74571 5* 03A 5* (+108) 10 > 1593609759 977189 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bigspace14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74866&oldid=74863 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+1229) 10not going to lie but I hate this language > 1593609939 173279 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DIVCON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74867&oldid=74865 5* 03A 5* (+127) 10/* Instruction list */ > 1593609940 562274 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74868&oldid=74862 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+369) 10 > 1593609981 798842 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BytFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74869&oldid=74864 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+0) 10grammar++; > 1593610048 16286 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74870&oldid=74819 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-826) 10Blanked the page > 1593610070 670451 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Blues machine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74871 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1003) 10Created page with ":''Note that '''blues machine''' is typically lowercased except, often, at the start of a sentence. The '''blues machine''' is an [[OISC]] esolang by User:PythonshellDebugwi..." < 1593610071 990331 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593610107 424352 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74872&oldid=74754 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+20) 10/* B */ + [[Blues machine]] > 1593610159 581817 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74873&oldid=74852 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+69) 10/* Languages */ > 1593610370 354325 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DIVCON14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74874&oldid=74867 5* 03A 5* (-1) 10/* Official implementation = */ > 1593610460 777851 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Self-modifying Puzzlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74875&oldid=50500 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+65) 10cats + bold + prd > 1593610847 784470 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Blues machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74876&oldid=74871 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-23) 10/* Example: infinite loop */ simplify < 1593610857 871133 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1593610982 537188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07OISC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74877&oldid=74342 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+112) 10/* List of OISCs */ < 1593611076 144601 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1593611571 826872 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bytemap14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74878&oldid=66195 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+45) 10 < 1593612066 779780 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593612224 819396 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1593612666 151939 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1593612744 887898 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Artemis14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74879&oldid=72244 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+40) 10bold cat > 1593612810 736857 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SendStuff14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74880&oldid=20562 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10 < 1593612869 459212 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1593612947 346702 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1593612963 813266 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Blues machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74881&oldid=74876 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+112) 10/* Example: infinite loop */ < 1593612982 199727 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593613079 21845 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74882&oldid=74717 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+64) 10/* Derivatives */ > 1593613104 347264 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Aubergine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74883&oldid=53528 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-36) 10/* Implementations */ not a derivative of itself < 1593613155 770887 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1593613381 188835 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Wigner's Fuckbuddy Is A Superposition of Top And Bottom14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74884&oldid=40480 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+32) 10/* References */ > 1593613427 905995 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Blues machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74885&oldid=74881 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Examples */ c > 1593613504 161611 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SPL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74886&oldid=69406 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+61) 10/* Command set */ > 1593613552 730046 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SPL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74887&oldid=74886 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+50) 10/* External resources */ cats > 1593613656 411340 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ASCII art-14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74888&oldid=53901 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+146) 10cats > 1593613819 680959 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[073LEB14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74889&oldid=72953 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+140) 10 < 1593614217 523449 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1593614251 223310 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07400414]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74890&oldid=68262 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+94) 10 > 1593614312 705120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ASCII art14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74891&oldid=53905 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+115) 10caTS < 1593615566 996978 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Ping timeout: 606 seconds < 1593615680 24901 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric > 1593615913 318074 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Javagony14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74892&oldid=70452 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+169) 10/* History */ > 1593615925 772855 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Javagony14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74893&oldid=74892 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+29) 10/* See also */ > 1593617412 825374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tangle bracket language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74894&oldid=51463 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10cat > 1593617480 296207 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~-~!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74895&oldid=52629 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10 > 1593617658 157846 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Javagony Turing-completeness proof14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74896 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2892) 10Created page with ":{{Back|Javagony}} This page will attempt to show the [[Turing-complete]]ness of [[Javagony]] through "translation" to [[brainfuck]]. (This was before User:PythonshellDebugw..." > 1593617868 884136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Javagony Turing-completeness proof14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74897&oldid=74896 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+610) 10/* The proof */ > 1593617918 683753 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Javagony Turing-completeness proof14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74898&oldid=74897 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-46) 10/* The code */ update < 1593618077 588417 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: Bye! < 1593619360 985666 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593619506 935026 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1593619683 493215 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric > 1593619890 708099 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/AllTheCats14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74899&oldid=74612 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+68) 10/* Source format */ > 1593619900 122549 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/AllTheCats14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74900&oldid=74899 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-1) 10/* Others */ > 1593621847 163446 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esowar14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74901&oldid=72089 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10 > 1593621870 78484 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Category:Programming games14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74902&oldid=54978 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+41) 10 > 1593621911 410310 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74903&oldid=74882 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+108) 10/* Miscellaneous */ > 1593621935 359836 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Category:Programming games14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74904&oldid=74902 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+29) 10expand > 1593622037 960573 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Smallfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74905&oldid=53073 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+38) 10/* External resources */ > 1593622077 192652 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Queue14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74906&oldid=66988 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+33) 10/* See Also */ > 1593622129 241666 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Queue14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74907&oldid=74906 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Use in esolangs */ < 1593622413 981841 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593622749 143018 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1593622774 32764 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593622933 194090 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Client Quit < 1593623104 48084 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593623748 104423 :jix!~jix@static.71.5.69.159.clients.your-server.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1593623748 248548 :orin_!~oren@ec2-18-234-164-48.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1593623748 248629 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1593623748 557722 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1593623880 553465 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1593623888 895990 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-234-164-48.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1593623891 482740 :jix!~jix@static.71.5.69.159.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1593623900 221869 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593623965 987892 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1593624382 625517 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1593624383 231125 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :*.net *.split < 1593624383 338834 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-b0480e-37.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1593624383 947811 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl QUIT :*.net *.split > 1593624419 12181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Queuenanimous14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74908 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1309) 10Created page with "'''Queuenanimous''' is an esolang by [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]]. ==Memory model== Queuenanimous uses an unbounded [[queue]] of unbounded signed integers. ==Syntax== Lik..." > 1593624457 86018 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74909&oldid=74872 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+20) 10/* Q */ +[[Queuenanimous]] > 1593624508 582537 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74910&oldid=74909 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+62) 10/* A */ > 1593624548 26766 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74911&oldid=74873 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+68) 10/* Languages */ < 1593624569 171284 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1593624569 274835 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1593624569 274901 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-b0480e-37.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1593624569 274932 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1593624633 639717 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593624762 187835 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Queuenanimous14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74912&oldid=74908 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+443) 10/* Commands */ tc > 1593627310 87304 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74913&oldid=74910 5* 03Icecream17 5* (+41) 10/* T */ Add 2 missing languages < 1593628005 521298 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1593628023 619436 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593629314 75465 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Queuenanimous14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74914&oldid=74912 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+44) 10/* Commands */ > 1593629555 498319 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Queuenanimous14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74915&oldid=74914 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-447) 10/* Interpreter */ > 1593630127 245879 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Snowflake14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74916&oldid=74739 5* 03Ais523 5* (+507) 10/* Problems w/ FORK and SPOON */ reply > 1593630495 547985 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Byskit-dev14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74917&oldid=74830 5* 03Byskit-dev 5* (-84) 10 < 1593630804 671511 :voidio!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid NICK :iovoid > 1593630877 955674 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Byskit-dev14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74918 5* 03Byskit-dev 5* (+28) 10Created page with "= Write stuff here = lol wut" < 1593631025 182374 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-96.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric > 1593631157 148934 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ghoti14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74919 5* 03Byskit-dev 5* (+105) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Ghoti |author=[[User:Byskit-dev|Byskit dev]] |year=2020? |files=.fish, .ghoti }}" < 1593631164 965366 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric > 1593632147 381623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vrejvax14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74920&oldid=62328 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-18) 10/* External resources */ it wasn't made in 2010 < 1593632565 743166 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1593633106 97115 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1593633136 390209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/AllTheCats14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74921&oldid=74900 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-33) 10/* Computational class */ > 1593633181 848694 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/AllTheCats14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74922&oldid=74921 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-73) 10 > 1593633221 864981 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Queuenanimous14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74923&oldid=74915 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+47) 10/* External resources */ cats > 1593634322 529170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tic Tac Toe Grow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74924&oldid=70891 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+40) 10 > 1593634345 588764 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tic Tac Toe14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74925&oldid=37455 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+14) 10 > 1593634414 246029 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Drive-In Window14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74926&oldid=65548 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-27) 10 > 1593634517 73580 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pancake Stack14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74927&oldid=40547 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+11) 10/* Syntax */ > 1593634703 958484 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pancake Stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74928&oldid=74927 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+71) 10/* Implementations */ cats < 1593634768 378679 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593635443 288565 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03CodeLongAndPros 5* 10New user account > 1593635524 888498 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74929&oldid=74832 5* 03CodeLongAndPros 5* (+54) 10 < 1593635923 593087 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1593636451 932979 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainf***-14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74930 5* 03CodeLongAndPros 5* (+642) 10Created page with "[[Category:Brainfuck derivatives]] BrainF***- is a BrainF*** derivative that has one more instruction: {| class="wikitable" |- ! Command !! Operation |- | _ || Subtracts..." > 1593636474 873916 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainf***-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74931&oldid=74930 5* 03CodeLongAndPros 5* (+9) 10 > 1593636484 566738 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainf***-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74932&oldid=74931 5* 03CodeLongAndPros 5* (+0) 10 < 1593636519 913972 :atslash!~atslash@213.87.161.147 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593636534 930357 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainf***-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74933&oldid=74932 5* 03CodeLongAndPros 5* (+2) 10 < 1593636890 5199 :atslash!~atslash@213.87.161.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1593636938 934311 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1593637265 659582 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~ATH14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74934&oldid=69688 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+37) 10/* Implementations */ cat, and it hasn't been implemented to the spec < 1593637416 105607 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1593637459 737083 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainf***-14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74935&oldid=74933 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+175) 10cats > 1593637520 586834 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ghoti14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74936&oldid=74919 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10Unpipe, cats, stub < 1593637877 496995 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1593642279 754987 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593642307 923822 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1593642461 198633 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1593642468 949238 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1593642558 926475 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ast < 1593642561 345431 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :ast? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1593642577 254740 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lOwI < 1593642577 597333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 012220Z AUTO VRB01KT 9999 FEW006 BKN008 16/15 Q1016 < 1593642736 299376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar koak < 1593642736 515168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 012153Z 31014KT 10SM CLR 22/13 A2982 RMK AO2 SLP098 T02220128 < 1593643172 738013 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1593643902 24781 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/space.png -- with this much unused space (red box) why do you hide the commit history in a single line with the latest commit title (green box) with hardly any visual indicator? < 1593643938 445199 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:182e:b40f:4069:1151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593644107 628374 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:31e8:da61:65fe:88d4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1593644447 715219 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The repo is because I wanted to find out when Stockfish started to distribute their testing efforts. Seems that happened 7 years ago. < 1593644538 609958 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Worst case scenario: They got the MS Office UI team to overhaul github. ) < 1593645261 943586 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593645523 890339 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you able to access it with git (to avoid dealing with their UI)? < 1593645553 972471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but that m,eans downloading the whole repo < 1593645617 711151 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole point (to me) of that web frontend is that I can look at projects I don't intend to contribute to < 1593645634 511362 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :See that "Add File" button? I can't imagine ever using that. < 1593645776 324914 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1593645824 642635 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they changed to round avatars, making the automatically generated "octothorps" even uglier. < 1593645868 878600 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another totally unnecessary change. Probably not worth complaining about, but here I am... < 1593645887 47954 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. Maybe to propose for git a protocol to access without downloading the whole repo, then? < 1593645908 986655 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use CSS to change the shape of the avatars, or does it change the shape during rendering pictures on the server? < 1593646015 460831 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to spend any time on that :P < 1593646018 390452 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the problems with my internet tends to be near the end of the month? < 1593646099 141898 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the provider have monthly caps? < 1593646132 425583 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, but I don't know. < 1593646182 53777 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does appears a different colour in Lynx? < 1593646184 270058 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that would offer a potential explanation, people doing big downloads at the end of the month when it's clear that they won't exceed the cap) < 1593646225 962873 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe. > 1593646647 266815 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Solo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74937&oldid=74755 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-3) 10/* Interpreter in C (solo.h) */ fix cat < 1593647552 25859 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1593650332 87386 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unicorn14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74938&oldid=66810 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+15) 10 > 1593650445 694670 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unicorn14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74939&oldid=74938 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+21) 10/* External resources */ < 1593651122 253436 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1593651822 932121 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593653917 974534 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1593654068 7500 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1593654073 467893 :moony!moony@gateway/shell/hellomouse/x-lymvmqgtgycsphdq JOIN :#esoteric < 1593654097 100034 :moony!moony@gateway/shell/hellomouse/x-lymvmqgtgycsphdq NICK :Guest42671 < 1593654133 932443 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593654242 337700 :Guest42671!moony@gateway/shell/hellomouse/x-lymvmqgtgycsphdq QUIT :Client Quit < 1593654582 780827 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esoteric < 1593655065 657527 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :moony < 1593656498 996997 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1593656579 818670 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1593657262 229692 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74940&oldid=72617 5* 03DanielCristofani 5* (+802) 10/* A possible proof */ < 1593658430 717592 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-96.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I believe git already has a protocol that doesn't require downloading the whole repo from the server side, it's just that git the software can't handle partial repositories on the client side. This is a big reason why I recommend svn. < 1593658492 463700 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-96.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I could be wrong < 1593658503 81843 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-96.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the server doesn't quite allow you to pick which objects to download < 1593658532 842526 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-96.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the svn client also isn't perfect about this, but it handles partial repositories much better < 1593658584 685825 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can use svn for your own projects (although I use Fossil myself), but many people use git. < 1593659275 963666 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1593663005 152863 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1593663023 627058 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593668128 339263 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593671719 282230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74941&oldid=54495 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1602) 10PostScript < 1593673746 448128 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1593676360 255905 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1593678150 972212 :kuluma!554c10a2@85-76-16-162-nat.elisa-mobile.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1593678839 552191 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-96.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1593679002 509810 :kuluma!554c10a2@85-76-16-162-nat.elisa-mobile.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1593679896 57958 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.93.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593679914 23968 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1593682225 106236 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593682271 129096 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tandem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74942&oldid=74837 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (-9) 10/* Example programs */ Fix initialization idioms in example programs (h/t arseniiv, I'm still catching up) > 1593683676 935561 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tandem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74943&oldid=74942 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+40) 10Give in to determinism. Add section on non-terminating rewrites. < 1593685566 556365 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593685646 962584 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1593685647 457908 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1593685795 966517 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593685844 400676 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593686032 260846 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:182e:b40f:4069:1151 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1593686236 539099 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tandem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74944&oldid=74943 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+146) 10/* Computational class */ Answer one of these questions. < 1593686690 872472 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1593687308 633707 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1593687348 743036 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.93.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I detect a distinct tendency by the users of the esolang wiki to see every language in terms of brainfuck < 1593687378 479770 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :All esolangs are brainfuck derivatives. < 1593687381 830153 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1593687427 413016 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I used to be like that once upon a time < 1593687428 207429 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially Intercal. < 1593687433 219900 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593687442 972454 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With good guidance they'll grow out of it < 1593687494 907491 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is me trying to build up a time travel joke, or failing that, a break of causality through unfettered coming from.) < 1593687516 380170 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it won't be funny. :P) < 1593687523 205346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chet out my fancy inotify program: https://shachaf.net/tmp/mustardwatch/mustardwatch.c < 1593687532 849380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses ptrace to detect what files a program uses and reruns it when they change. < 1593687593 691958 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's a pretty cool idea < 1593687663 120968 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: This category is *totally* Brainfuck-centric: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Before_1993 < 1593687702 344609 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, we have Perl and Python? < 1593687847 625146 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The latter article is a disappointment.) > 1593688430 468991 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Javagony Turing-completeness proof14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74945 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+582) 10Feedback on this proof < 1593688654 221268 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i think that decrementing part is just the loop condition < 1593688790 695809 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.93.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they're demonstrating that Javagony can do something that brainfuck interpreters do, I get that < 1593688799 736981 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, translation of a bf program to javagony is the following: translate +.<> as written on the page. for [subprogram] create a method with that translation in Proof class and make call to proof.doWhileReadNe0(subprogramMethod) < 1593688804 830806 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an interpreter < 1593688807 267266 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I've never tried writing a brainfuck self-interpreter < 1593688811 104371 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might give it a go < 1593688813 522128 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a framework for translating arbitrary bf programs < 1593688877 958002 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.93.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stand by my statement that it's halfway to a brainfuck interpreter, which would be a 100% convincing proof of its TCness < 1593688973 169299 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :++[>+<-] would translate to: Proof.subprogram() { tape.right(); tape.write(tape.read() - 1); tape.left(); tape.write(tape.read() + 1); } and in main tape.write(tape.read() + 1); tape.write(tape.read() + 1); proof.doWhileReadNe0(proof.subprogram); < 1593688993 680043 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you could write an interpreter, but that not what this proof is about < 1593688997 996644 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I guess the simple truth is that Brainfuck is the one minimal programming language that everybody has heard of. < 1593689024 397550 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for some pretty big value of "everybody") < 1593689065 469315 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically, that "proof" is not a real proof since it does not show that the translation does have the same semantics as the bf programm you are translating < 1593690604 454446 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.93.57 QUIT :Quit: Lunch. < 1593691152 570417 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” > 1593693595 283639 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CUTLASS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74946&oldid=51170 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-3) 10that cat only has one page, rm > 1593694289 817570 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bigspace14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74947&oldid=74866 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+27) 10 < 1593694333 477041 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: That's a very common thing though. The attitude is usually that the reduction is the creative and tricky part while showing that the semantics are preserved is merely tedious routine. < 1593694390 893801 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Obviously there are exceptions.) > 1593694462 567745 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tuplary14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74948&oldid=74736 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+106) 10+string,format > 1593694608 546737 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tuplary14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74949&oldid=74948 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+120) 10+string.eg < 1593694692 899267 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.93.57 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593695289 358969 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bigspace14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74950&oldid=74947 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* Heap access */ cat < 1593697679 675837 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1593698039 395384 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593698926 795642 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://rdcu.be/b5nn1 < 1593698990 676289 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :collatz checked > 1593700553 532463 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Retrac0 5* 10New user account < 1593700685 923718 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not bad > 1593700692 497016 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74951&oldid=74929 5* 03Retrac0 5* (+155) 10 < 1593700737 545458 :lucky!~joel@2607:fea8:3360:2287:10da:67ff:fec1:6437 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593700798 7341 :lucky!~joel@2607:fea8:3360:2287:10da:67ff:fec1:6437 QUIT :Changing host < 1593700798 7398 :lucky!~joel@unaffiliated/lucky JOIN :#esoteric < 1593701693 214100 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1593702209 510783 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07X.so14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74952&oldid=34447 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-6) 10unpipe > 1593702263 880885 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74953&oldid=36829 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+68) 10cats > 1593702346 883769 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RISBF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74954&oldid=65757 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+211) 10 > 1593702410 540318 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74955&oldid=74516 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10/* External resources */ cats < 1593702695 444726 :rodgort`!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1593702723 477827 :sftp_!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1593702733 666660 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593702764 461645 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:2cd2:b6f1:eabb:7155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593702855 146249 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Excess Flood < 1593702855 292638 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1593702855 727039 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.93.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1593702862 981011 :sftp_!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp NICK :sftp < 1593702863 991236 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.93.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593702922 207039 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 254 seconds < 1593702950 43494 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1593702950 147248 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1593702950 250289 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1593702969 464612 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1593703144 31082 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593703221 211470 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Javagony Turing-completeness proof14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74956&oldid=74898 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4873) 10 > 1593703256 56866 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Javagony Turing-completeness proof14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74957&oldid=74956 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+37) 10/* Main.java */ < 1593703326 860697 :laerling!~laerling@static.235.77.203.116.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1593703717 335640 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Javagony Turing-completeness proof14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74958&oldid=74957 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* The proof */ > 1593703912 159780 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Javagony Turing-completeness proof14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74959&oldid=74958 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+183) 10/* And now for a brainfuck interpreter... */ > 1593704365 844924 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Entfedern14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74960&oldid=54166 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+41) 10/* timeSealing */ cat > 1593704422 757093 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alarm Clock Radio14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74961&oldid=54014 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+50) 10/* See also */ > 1593704457 492694 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EPARM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74962&oldid=65408 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10 > 1593704517 757804 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SNUSP14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74963&oldid=65752 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10 > 1593704553 766134 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Extensions to SNUSP14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74964&oldid=53707 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+16) 10 > 1593704571 327847 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SNUSP14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74965&oldid=74963 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+3) 10/* See also */ < 1593704653 957458 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593704659 948426 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Calculon14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74966&oldid=21144 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+30) 10 < 1593704712 650727 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.93.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I finally implemented it, including a parser and batch I/O -- https://github.com/catseye/Tandem > 1593704877 54433 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Golf (A)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74967&oldid=69743 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10 > 1593705977 383291 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74968 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1144) 10Created page with "{{Wrongtitle|title=_}} {{WIP}} '''_''' is an esolang by [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]]. ==Commands== {| class="wikitable sortable" ! Command !! Effect |- | % ||..." > 1593706003 755547 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74969&oldid=74968 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+39) 10/* Interpreter */ > 1593706040 427779 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!!!Batch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74970&oldid=73352 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-55) 10/* Derivatives */ < 1593706097 345386 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.93.57 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1593706607 782792 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1593706610 561412 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1593706619 302456 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cpressey yay! < 1593706619 408141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. > 1593707398 620083 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Arseniiv/Generalized Minsky machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74971&oldid=66960 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+224) 10I should have done it long ago > 1593707448 626814 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Arseniiv 5* 10moved [[02User:Arseniiv/Generalized Minsky machine10]] to [[Generalized Minsky machine]]: this model is quite a reasonable model > 1593707569 876731 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minsky machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74974&oldid=73742 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+152) 10should have done it a long time ago < 1593707653 388072 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cpressey also kudos for Minsky machine! Now I wonder would it be as easy to represent a generalized Minsky machine which uses arbitrary recursive polynomial types? < 1593707653 388147 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. > 1593707712 274582 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Arseniiv14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74975&oldid=70294 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (-1) 10deslashing > 1593708199 558712 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sandbox/td14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74976&oldid=69867 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+29) 10 < 1593708369 871851 :BWBellairs!~bwbellair@hellomouse/dev/bwbellairs QUIT :Quit: Quit > 1593708486 940739 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/UnusedLangLetters14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74977&oldid=73716 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-1) 10 < 1593708940 922099 :BWBellairs!~bwbellair@hellomouse/dev/bwbellairs JOIN :#esoteric < 1593708997 95751 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1593709144 961153 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593709357 472061 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:2cd2:b6f1:eabb:7155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1593709589 185743 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-063-063-106.084.063.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 > 1593710010 486572 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Time Out14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74978&oldid=42291 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* Hello World */ > 1593710141 993921 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HelloWorld14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74979&oldid=60498 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+202) 10cats < 1593710150 961687 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-084-063-063-106.084.063.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1593710376 497840 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593710638 368970 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Espaol14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74980&oldid=74857 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-22) 10 > 1593710759 159031 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BytFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74981&oldid=74869 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+0) 10grammar+=2 < 1593710961 757875 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric > 1593711065 37654 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Revolution 914]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74982&oldid=36109 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+16) 10 > 1593711234 814718 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Revolution 914]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74983&oldid=74982 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+148) 10 < 1593711290 513405 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hi < 1593711473 171718 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1593711497 839865 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for an esolang to build an interpreter for < 1593711506 736099 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to target something turing complete < 1593711528 35261 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and preferably something that already has some code samples, but isn't trivial to program (like bf substitutions or smth) < 1593711548 875342 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus points for evil bit-level twiddling operations < 1593711567 169272 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello arseniiv, kspalaiologos < 1593711600 25540 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i considered malbolge, but it's so well known that the surprise aspect is over :p < 1593711613 707855 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bonus points for evil bit-level twiddling operations => ohohoho can’t advice anything sorry < 1593711632 846168 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus points =/= all points :p < 1593711658 84842 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to develop something as a showcase of what my x86 packer/obfuscator can do < 1593711708 430820 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about writing a NAND-based lang < 1593711715 360369 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some encryption or something < 1593711781 385601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: why does it have to be an esoteric language? you could just write a C compiler, there are plenty of code examples of C, including ones that do weird stuff < 1593711817 969394 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very simple: because esolangs aren't this easy to work your way through < 1593711834 527977 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of my crackmes feature esolang X, which has a checker for the solution, with an x86 interpreter bundled < 1593711850 985711 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm looking for this X esolang that I could use for making a crackme < 1593711866 636747 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are bonus points for it being hard and not very common, because it adds up some difficulty < 1593711895 59255 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the interpreter has to be non-trivial, so the code protection stuff can really show off < 1593711919 680808 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: how about one of the older ICFP languages then? < 1593711941 915912 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the ones that aren't documented on the esolang wiki, like the space navigation language < 1593711942 126862 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I looked it up, it seems interesting < 1593711951 34397 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a list or something? < 1593711953 172925 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Intcode which isn't ICFP but similar < 1593711956 597158 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the google doesn't link to anything useful < 1593711969 436464 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: sadly the old ICFP contest pages are hard to find, < 1593711992 167164 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of the websites are no longer online, since they're all organized by different groups < 1593711997 188830 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://icfpcontest.github.io/ has some links < 1593712005 950373 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used malbolge and I liked it, because a) it was hard to program/read/write b) encryption c) weird operators < 1593712036 558024 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1593712041 196272 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICFP seems like the way to go < 1593712047 335463 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some interesting stuff there < 1593712054 289462 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICFP 2000 has GML, a stack-based pure functional language, < 1593712060 975070 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, almost pure functional < 1593712067 596759 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ray-tracing output is a side-effect < 1593712101 803921 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2004 has the ant brain language < 1593712120 186251 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you control a swarm of ants by writing a program that is running in the brain of each ant < 1593712123 827215 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a very limited language < 1593712138 437623 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, this one is entertaining < 1593712154 548917 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2014 has two languages: GHC and GCC, one the style of 8-bit cpus, the other a haskell-style functional language < 1593712180 173554 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 9-bit one seems promising < 1593712183 528719 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*8 < 1593712201 270043 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011 has Lambda: the Gathering, a card game with a programming element, where you make a move by composing a function with another function from either the left or right < 1593712218 351433 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:ICFP_contest < 1593712256 452700 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1593712260 590348 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will evilify it to be hard to program < 1593712263 503920 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007 has Fuun DNA and RNA, where DNA acts as a turing-complete preprocessor and RNA is a vector drawing language with no programming constructs directly inside it which is why you use the preprocessor < 1593712264 789874 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will make a good tool < 1593712270 525761 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very interesting string-based language < 1593712302 500162 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and 2006 has UM-32, another low-level cpu-like language, I recommend that one < 1593712305 755235 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see https://esolangs.org/wiki/UM-32 < 1593712317 1624 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes < 1593712320 152406 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the one on my mind < 1593712320 371768 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, see the original contest description that must be linked from it instead < 1593712344 62693 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there were contests every year since, but I don't have the links < 1593712368 253118 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll remove instructions 3,4,5 < 1593712381 386496 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8,9 and add realloced permagen instead < 1593712391 170284 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1593712397 110148 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because this seems like harvard architecture to me < 1593712456 548019 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: if you change instructions, you won't be able to run the code that contains the contest < 1593712463 975003 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wanted code examples, there is one, the Codex < 1593712470 51316 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to run that, you need the full language < 1593712472 263606 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can write em myself < 1593712502 114066 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so you don't want existing example programs after all? < 1593712597 436047 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :example programs are here to point me the direction > 1593712606 583255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74984&oldid=74789 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-1865) 10 < 1593712607 110523 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for anything else < 1593712619 25710 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to test the correctness of your interpreter < 1593712626 195921 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1593712629 781529 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, hah, interesting to see < 1593712634 138555 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone is taking on brainfuck assembly too > 1593712664 264362 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74985&oldid=74984 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+28) 10 > 1593712761 350896 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74986&oldid=74985 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-13) 10 > 1593713149 310176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74987&oldid=74986 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+177) 10 > 1593713191 411195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BF-ASM:814]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=74988 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+116) 10Created page with "== How to make a compiler == If you want to make a compiler here I'm going to post here my ideas for making one.
" > 1593713294 759282 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74989&oldid=74988 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+41) 10 > 1593713319 148071 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74990&oldid=74987 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-675) 10 > 1593713384 598932 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74991&oldid=74989 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+64) 10 > 1593713650 22061 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74992&oldid=74990 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+265) 10+basic instructions > 1593713705 370354 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74993&oldid=74991 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+60) 10 > 1593713742 708706 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74994&oldid=74992 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+4) 10 > 1593713854 952669 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Byskit-dev14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74995&oldid=74918 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+16) 10 > 1593713970 188683 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74996&oldid=74994 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+95) 10 < 1593714337 914783 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1593715402 599520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74997&oldid=74996 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+660) 10 > 1593715441 48296 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74998&oldid=74997 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+19) 10fixed kfor > 1593715474 65682 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=74999&oldid=74998 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+13) 10 < 1593715721 56555 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593715909 836714 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75000&oldid=74868 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+47) 10 > 1593715988 517116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HelloWorld14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75001&oldid=74979 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+0) 10Fixed the category > 1593716340 274868 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75002&oldid=75000 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+67) 10 > 1593716444 880696 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esomachine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75003&oldid=69155 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-3145) 10Replaced content with "'''Esomachine''' was made by [[User:DmilkaSTD]]. It is a [[:Category:cell-based|cell-based]] language that has an [[accumulator]] and it's based in the game [https://en.wi..." > 1593716478 201154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esomachine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75004&oldid=75003 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-36) 10 > 1593716557 303517 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esomachine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75005&oldid=75004 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+147) 10+memory > 1593716590 469032 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esomachine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75006&oldid=75005 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+28) 10 > 1593716695 583546 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BytFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75007&oldid=74981 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10grammar+=3; > 1593716745 367148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Espaol14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75008&oldid=74980 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10/* Proof that "Espaol" is uncomputable */ > 1593716775 962354 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75009&oldid=74993 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-4) 10rm br < 1593716931 62295 :castanopsis!~castanops@2a01:4f8:c17:2994::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593717029 801851 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1593717058 235780 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Revolution 914]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75010&oldid=74983 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+167) 10cats > 1593717069 301147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75011&oldid=75002 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+190) 10get rekt noob > 1593717146 363757 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esomachine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75012&oldid=75006 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+209) 10I actually hate this esolang > 1593717268 200197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esomachine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75013&oldid=75012 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+25) 10 > 1593717283 407564 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CLooP14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75014&oldid=25356 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10 > 1593717318 89811 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75015&oldid=75011 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+5) 10 > 1593717327 175705 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esomachine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75016&oldid=75013 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+21) 10/* Commands */ > 1593717345 262386 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esomachine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75017&oldid=75016 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-3) 10 > 1593717469 819137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CLooP14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75018&oldid=75014 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+27) 10/* External resources */ cat > 1593717540 45963 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NRSRSSOMN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75019&oldid=49768 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10 > 1593717622 153851 PRIVMSG #esoteric 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03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10/* BNF */ > 1593718087 504126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Callable14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75026&oldid=75025 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Function list */ > 1593718182 92342 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75027&oldid=74969 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-8) 10 < 1593718224 377319 :RiriSec!~igor@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.3 > 1593718269 985737 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75028&oldid=74913 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ +[[|_]] (this title breaks monospace!) > 1593718378 167304 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75029&oldid=75027 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+95) 10/* Commands */ > 1593718412 246712 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75030&oldid=75029 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+64) 10/* Interpreter */ > 1593718425 377957 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75031&oldid=75030 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+12) 10/* Commands */ > 1593718449 793091 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esomachine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75032&oldid=75023 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+331) 10almost > 1593718491 346838 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75033&oldid=74911 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+83) 10/* Languages */ > 1593718777 982386 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esomachine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75034&oldid=75032 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+435) 10almost > 1593718796 457997 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75035&oldid=75031 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-291) 10/* Interpreter */ github > 1593718850 122050 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Blues machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75036&oldid=74885 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+60) 10/* External resources */ > 1593719804 504094 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esomachine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75037&oldid=75034 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+836) 10finished my childhood esolang (literally) > 1593721138 725218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Control Character14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75038&oldid=61366 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-167) 10 > 1593721282 606453 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PATH14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75039&oldid=65751 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+54) 10/* External resources */ cats > 1593721949 510998 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hardlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75040&oldid=63907 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+278) 10 > 1593722179 203582 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SLOS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75041&oldid=68235 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10 < 1593728395 487165 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1593728649 16647 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1593728807 993687 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593728886 653585 :laerling!~laerling@static.235.77.203.116.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host < 1593728886 653645 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling JOIN :#esoteric < 1593728965 524516 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1593728965 668569 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1593729924 220091 :castanopsis!~castanops@2a01:4f8:c17:2994::1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1593731165 152976 :Cubix!~quassel@154.16.202.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593731541 974386 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593731617 211010 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593731929 441111 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1593732519 559529 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1593733296 691029 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Thorimur 5* 10New user account < 1593733462 104865 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1593733698 866587 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Particle automaton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75042&oldid=7879 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+89) 10See also > 1593733790 137972 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Noit o' mnain worb14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75043&oldid=43391 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+30) 10/* External resources */ cat > 1593734065 539971 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75044&oldid=74870 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+125) 10 < 1593734279 681608 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1593734332 971782 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1593736020 911094 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowI < 1593736021 245177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 030020Z AUTO 26004KT 9999 FEW005 BKN007 17/16 Q1017 < 1593736068 210124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put my thing up: https://github.com/shachaf/mustardwatch < 1593736537 573024 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1593737058 218765 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of some idea of Magic: the Gathering card: {?} World Enchantment ;; When ~ enters the battlefield, each player may put a world card from their graveyard into their hand. ;; The world rule does not apply. ;; Cumulative upkeep {2} < 1593737344 979520 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593737366 720942 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1593740137 464071 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1593743031 91998 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you find the mistake in my program before I did? < 1593743058 180785 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or if the mistake is rather the test) < 1593743470 707990 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1593748910 372143 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1593751704 582368 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:a1bf:b542:2bf2:ed74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593751981 423154 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:a1bf:b542:2bf2:ed74 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1593753684 368274 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:1d48:59a4:cf66:b7d5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593753969 446411 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:1d48:59a4:cf66:b7d5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1593755829 346835 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think the mistake was actually the test) < 1593758606 861935 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593758973 356832 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of a simple way to make a C and PostScript polyglot program: Write the PostScript code first, with "/* pop" at the beginning, and "quit */" or "currentfile flushfile */" at the end. < 1593759134 873889 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while you are at it, you could also make it lhs < 1593759230 780943 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that can be done easily enough, too. < 1593759434 403501 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:f06f:5d5d:5be5:b8ba JOIN :#esoteric < 1593759891 376805 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if you need a C and PostScript polyglot; I do use C and shell script polyglots though.) < 1593760451 363729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what? < 1593760575 830171 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly to include compilation commands in the file < 1593760757 205386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all my shell scripts include #! < 1593760998 226789 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1593761097 665719 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although I just run it with "bash xyz.c" or whatever, so #! is not needed in that case (nor is the execute bit needed). < 1593761479 11487 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My shell scripts that are not C programs do include #! at first and do have the execute bit) < 1593763061 166131 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593764861 50472 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1593764932 934212 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1593766015 309501 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidStackLanguage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75045&oldid=74858 5* 03Lebster 5* (-62) 10/* Operations */ < 1593766723 194996 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: another way to make a C and PostScript polyglot depends on the C++ digraphs that were introduced to C by the C95 standard: https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=520045 < 1593766879 373540 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=523373 has a more polyglot version < 1593766890 374298 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593767021 99329 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the longer C and PostScript polyglot uses a different trick to start out and no digraphs: https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=591502 < 1593767037 163990 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm pretty sure I know who posted those anonymous nodes.) < 1593767072 936016 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-10.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1593768173 594810 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1593768225 585142 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1593768242 214744 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1593768660 504942 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ASCII14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75046&oldid=69949 5* 03Lebster 5* (+4256) 10added table < 1593768706 467560 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593768713 675912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1593768717 281799 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:lkoen//LKoen vivait en haut de la Tour Eiffel, mais il s'est préfixé d'un L et s'est envolé. \ paperless//In a paperless world, rock would never lose. \ dew//In the Famous Mountains of York, Taneb makes dew. \ warning//Warnings indicate when you are doing something dangerous, like using operator precedence. \ just intonation//Bad-tempered people can be recognized by just intonation. < 1593768892 297302 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cwlprits just intonation < 1593768894 241628 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafët < 1593768929 637371 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was funny in context? seems entirely forgettable to me... < 1593769034 984054 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think it's play on "bad-tempered" vs "well-tempered"? < 1593769055 567983 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ah, maybe < 1593769076 523963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't very musical. < 1593769101 503377 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell arseniiv Right, so lambdabot doesn't actually tell you that you have messages, until you *say something* on the channel. < 1593769101 503437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1593769115 558868 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it certainly makes it better :) < 1593769171 412293 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I believe the main lambdabot authors were the screen- or irc bouncer kind of people. < 1593769200 244602 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes merely joining a channel a bad indicator of activity < 1593769256 878743 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that we were trying to figure out what the trigger actually was, the other day < 1593769299 372369 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's activity on the channel. And then there's a rate limit, so I suppose testing it out can be a little hard. < 1593769367 794924 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd have to check the code, but I believe it just keeps a time stamp of the latest notification which is checkd even when there are new messages.) < 1593769459 671014 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check actually. < 1593769562 562289 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wrong. There is a rate limit (pretty low, once per day), but it is reset when a new message is added. < 1593769747 422567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an above-average pun for wisdom, I think! < 1593769807 723299 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's good, but too advanced for me. < 1593769892 565056 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody else find youtube's (relatively new) mini player annoying? < 1593770001 892397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I've seen it. < 1593770004 463182 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What happens is that I search for a video, click a thumbnail, and expect to get the video page... but if I click a bit too far to the right it triggers the "add to queue" action that activates the mini player.) < 1593770036 636527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :YouTube seems pretty user-hostile to me. They always turn on autoplay which I doubt is what hardly anyone wants by default, but is surely good for \rainbow{engagement}. < 1593770095 828415 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good use of the rainbow command. < 1593770124 913647 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, autoplay is high on my personal list of youtube annoyances. < 1593770133 652473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use the actual rainbow command, but I think you have colors and colours disabled. < 1593770144 84138 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do. < 1593770148 674631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, as Google says: "We believe that advertising can be effective without being flashy. We don’t accept pop–up advertising, which interferes with your ability to see the content you’ve requested." < 1593770154 817176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think YouTube captures this quite well. < 1593770211 363251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, the Pragmatics of SAT workshop is in about 4 hours. < 1593770228 619950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of want to try attending but I doubt I should be awake then. < 1593770450 736311 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the mini player (or rather, the queuing feature that goes with it) could actually be fun if I didn't trigger it accidently so much. < 1593770517 564965 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then again, 95% of the time I want to watch one video at a time. < 1593770577 456414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I even asked here how to play an individual video from a playlist not too long ago. < 1593770615 677666 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. Enough whining about bad UI/UX for today. :) < 1593770907 117087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using random SAT instances for testing was probably not a great idea. < 1593771007 447661 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1593771061 962836 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of \rainbow{engagement}, I am saddened to note that Mozilla has apparently decided that their browser's "blank page" should in fact include headlines/previews of "recommended articles" < 1593771076 67783 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I've read a bit about random instances but nothing stuck. < 1593771134 56382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, many of the interesting tricks are just not very relevant for random instances. < 1593771140 562762 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yeah I still configure it to have a proper blank page. < 1593771167 367047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there was a lot of progress when people started using industrial instances instead of random instances as benchmarks? < 1593771193 427031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard a similar thing about allocators -- that people used to test allocator performance with synthetic workloads, and they became much better when people started using real workloads. < 1593771203 108540 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to have random instances that simultaneously exhibt the kind of locality you get in real life. < 1593771229 147332 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just a vague idea that sounds smart, with no real insight in how to overcome it. < 1593771251 965987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ece.uwaterloo.ca/~vganesh/Publications_files/vg2015-SATGraf-SAT15.pdf is probably related to that? < 1593771300 687675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the pretty SAT instance pictures. < 1593771304 839864 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: mozilla's doing way too much syndication these days. < 1593771322 501681 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :including things like "recommend extensions when you browse" < 1593771328 971697 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/when/as/ < 1593771331 824762 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yeah, I've noticed. < 1593771381 595681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's recommended extension is .jpg < 1593771456 216280 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1593771457 506298 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is peeping Tom. < 1593771590 543539 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah right, null window searches. < 1593771600 75869 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, July's is still up for grabs. < 1593771620 258040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is still up for grabs. < 1593771625 496769 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is still up for grabs. < 1593771699 479436 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm setting potm by proxy < 1593771712 600843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured you were doing that. < 1593771726 394296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, with maybe 70% confidence. < 1593771734 29451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I don't get points for saying that after you. < 1593771777 915835 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't, but is anybody going to believe that... < 1593771790 30972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. < 1593771813 700909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's the worst of all worlds for me. < 1593771835 600675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I have this function that writes some strings to a FILE * argument. If you pass it stdout it works fine, but if you pass it stderr it writes and flushes a lot of small strings. < 1593771839 589517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the way to get around that? < 1593771858 930103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess ideally it wouldn't write to a FILE * at all but just give you a string, or something... < 1593771884 314111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know what's ideal. < 1593772023 444373 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593772100 868910 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tinker with setbuf() to make stderr buffered, or write to a string buffer, then write that to the file? < 1593772121 692591 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or setlinebuf) < 1593772143 419790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what would be a good API to give callers in practice. < 1593772193 31134 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1593772201 424509 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1593772207 435045 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wasn't aware of fmemopen. < 1593772270 35129 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or its dynamic friend, open_memstream) < 1593772387 420900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's another thing I was considering. < 1593772406 519923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather I was considering open_memstream, I didn't know about the other one. < 1593772503 263711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the general case you don't necessarily want the entire output to be in memory, though. You just want a fixed buffer that you can flush. < 1593772528 720269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess setbuf works OK but it makes the caller do more work. < 1593772673 701363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the function should do its own buffering. < 1593772687 853963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally you'd add a buffer temporarily if there isn't one already... but you can't query whether an fd is buffered, I think. < 1593772713 162214 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, file handle, of FILE * type. < 1593772756 90027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1593772772 363272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the ideal API to present is maybe something like a state machine, but that makes the function way more work to write. < 1593773059 480431 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* Note: this function makes many small writes to the FILE * passed to it -- it may behoove you to ensure it is buffered. */ < 1593773076 173713 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all I'd do < 1593773082 211414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"behoove" < 1593773090 601775 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fancy < 1593773220 346391 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a word that I use strangely frequently considering how funny it is < 1593773231 167851 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that it's the mot juste sometimes < 1593773266 792548 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fine, just really rare, and maybe a tad condescending. < 1593773291 20579 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it may be in your interests to ensure that it's buffered" is a bit long. "You might want to ensure it is buffered", maybe. < 1593773300 232607 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is, I don't know what the caller wants. < 1593773300 336071 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe a bit out of place for technical documentation? I don't know. < 1593773316 711341 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they want lots of small writes on an unbuffered stream. It's possible! < 1593773335 247420 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to phrase this in a way that does not come across as condescending. You are giving advice after all. < 1593773374 426025 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other option is just to have the first part of the comment, and hope the client can infer the second part. < 1593773419 739574 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a result, this function may be slow on unbuffered streams. < 1593773456 314130 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, that's less opinionated. < 1593773515 948554 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You better ensure the stream is buffered unless you like your code slowing down to a crawl! < 1593773531 623635 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are somewhere in the middle of that spectrum :) < 1593773572 725777 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is also really close to bikeshedding. < 1593773654 283404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: OK, but it's supposed to be maximally convenient to use. < 1593773698 811186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe making every caller do setbuf is OK, but it seems annoying since this'll be in all of my programs. < 1593773800 650517 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximal convenience indicates you should bite the bullet and do your own internal buffering, and live with the memory overhead and potential double copying. < 1593773807 380406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The specific case is a function that generates --help text for programs. < 1593773826 662177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it probably all doesn't matter. < 1593773835 775466 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh this doesn't sound performance critical at all < 1593773857 339127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't. < 1593773865 923964 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then KISS it < 1593773888 393154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just this does things like indenting by printing a bunch of spaces in a loop, and it's not great to have each one be a system call. < 1593773902 845825 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Huh, why have I never seen anybody use that as a verb? It's so natural!) < 1593773938 366045 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the sexual connotations make it inappropriate in most contexts. < 1593773938 577244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think everyone says "KitSS". It really rolls off the tongue. < 1593774034 124567 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't there things like printf("%*s", n, "")? < 1593774544 813625 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1593774694 804116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm. < 1593774765 888488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there are! < 1593774832 464822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That helps with the worst of it. But there are still other things like if (x) { printf("..."); } else { printf(" "); } < 1593774947 965509 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593775118 416387 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The specific case is a function that generates --help text for programs. <== I'm going to go out on a limb and say that on modern machines, such text will always easily fit in memory. < 1593775153 99783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true. But then the caller would need to give it a buffer or something. < 1593775157 150824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it would need to use malloc. < 1593775203 169045 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be a sad thing for it to use malloc? < 1593775238 515696 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In specific, I had the thought, "If only there was a version of sprintf() that just doubles the size of the buffer each time it would otherwise overflow". < 1593775263 666631 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But to be fair I haven't programmed in C in years and years now < 1593775335 69005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's silly for an API to use malloc if it doesn't need to. < 1593775348 491537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be available. < 1593775357 556339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it isn't great for temporary allocations anyway. < 1593775479 47451 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously you should be using CPP magic to make the help message a constant string. < 1593775511 626038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm already using too much other magic to generate it. < 1593775628 629018 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's important to hang on to those shreds of sanity :) < 1593776299 938282 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593777555 37865 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 QUIT :Quit: Lunch. > 1593777765 863346 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07H9+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75047&oldid=71612 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+382) 10 > 1593777801 684163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07H9+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75048&oldid=75047 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+9) 10/* Interpreter */ > 1593777839 227587 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07H9+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75049&oldid=75048 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10/* Interpreter */ > 1593777964 358745 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LSCEF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75050&oldid=69599 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10/* Usage in interpreters */ cat > 1593778040 605988 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Screw14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75051&oldid=64120 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+22) 10 > 1593778104 666934 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Echidna14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75052&oldid=66183 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+32) 10cat + stub > 1593778293 204719 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75053&oldid=71968 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+108) 10/* External resources */ > 1593778307 529493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75054&oldid=75053 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+30) 10/* Implemetation */ > 1593778330 907159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75055&oldid=75054 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* Implemetation */ grm > 1593778343 569775 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07La We14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75056&oldid=75055 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Implemetantion */ > 1593778446 794344 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Starfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75057&oldid=50717 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-13) 10link = null; > 1593778510 495419 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75058&oldid=71248 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-8) 10link.hasPipe = false; > 1593779133 203431 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Thue-Mirr14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75059&oldid=60088 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10bold + move cats < 1593779191 789577 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the esolang cats have whiskers? < 1593779381 279414 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a language-dependent thing < 1593779688 14078 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593779754 812897 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75060&oldid=74999 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+184) 10 < 1593779784 710727 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hon. and learned friend fungot how’s the weat < 1593779784 710781 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: ( and he didn't bother. < 1593779824 47059 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…her > 1593780338 760806 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75061&oldid=75022 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+335) 10 < 1593780425 84662 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1593780811 976139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:EsohackGraph.png10]]" > 1593780910 156607 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75063&oldid=75061 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+57) 10 > 1593781143 833602 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75064&oldid=75063 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+49) 10 > 1593781418 334420 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75065&oldid=75044 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+585) 10 > 1593781437 365219 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75066&oldid=75065 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+5) 10escape pipe < 1593781497 412852 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593781498 705627 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75067&oldid=75064 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+58) 10 > 1593781559 931096 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75068&oldid=75067 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+15) 10 > 1593782445 668528 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75069&oldid=75068 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+70) 10 > 1593782513 60199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75070&oldid=75060 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+31) 10 > 1593782561 712524 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Assemblyfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75071&oldid=56028 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+45) 10 > 1593782676 429548 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Assemblyfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75072&oldid=75071 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+66) 10/* See Also: */ cats > 1593782690 380099 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Assemblyfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75073&oldid=75072 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Specification and instructions */ 5 += 1 > 1593783129 921655 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Assemblyfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75074 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+35) 10Created page with "== My idea for making a compiler ==" > 1593783764 193760 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Assemblyfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75075&oldid=75074 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+508) 10 > 1593783777 703279 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Assemblyfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75076&oldid=75075 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-2) 10 < 1593783795 572311 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: Well, would you look at the time. I've almost missed my ambiguous, non-existent appointment that I have scheduled just when I start to lose interest in my current conversation. > 1593783796 257024 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Assemblyfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75077&oldid=75076 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+13) 10 < 1593783829 796308 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric > 1593784157 227937 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Assemblyfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75078&oldid=75077 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+186) 10 > 1593784190 167807 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Skyf0l 5* 10New user account > 1593784329 962905 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Assemblyfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75079&oldid=75078 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+20) 10 > 1593784506 727721 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Assemblyfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75080&oldid=75079 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+105) 10 > 1593784529 481555 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75081&oldid=74951 5* 03Skyf0l 5* (+114) 10I have added me ! > 1593784672 347049 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75082&oldid=75066 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1112) 10 < 1593784967 297139 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: hi. Generalized Minksy machine is very cool, but to implement it in Tandem wouldn't you need to be able to define a concrete string representation for each of the values? Would there be a way to do this canonically? < 1593785070 968878 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hi! < 1593785073 239950 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, Tandem is still broken, because ⊥ and algebraic manipulations hate each other) < 1593785171 647307 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d represent values in a prefix (Polish) notation, or maybe in a S-expression notation or similar, but it seems they are all stack-unfriendly > 1593785224 294052 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eso2D14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75083&oldid=72330 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+261) 10/* Commands */ code tags + newline is obvious > 1593785235 827790 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eso2D14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75084&oldid=75083 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-35) 10/* Truth-machine */ > 1593785303 802384 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eso2D14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75085&oldid=75084 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-16) 10/* Auto-formatting */ > 1593785316 503329 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eso2D14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75086&oldid=75085 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+12) 10/* Auto-formatting */ edit spam > 1593785329 149011 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75087&oldid=75082 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+379) 10/* Elements */ < 1593785338 385425 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example let { data Nat = Z | S Nat; data ListN = N | C Nat ListN }, then I would represent C (S (S Z)) $ C Z $ C (S (S (S Z))) N as CSSZCZCSSSZN or (C(S(SZ))(CZ(C(S(S(SZ)))N))) > 1593785376 257521 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75088&oldid=74809 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+12) 10 < 1593785385 13356 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no, it seems S-expressions may be friendly if we use something to track open parentheses discarded, why > 1593785386 476003 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75089&oldid=75088 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+10) 10 < 1593785433 709887 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that’s all like you used for the usual Minsky machine with nats, though you used an empty string for Z > 1593785457 527886 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Assemblyfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75090&oldid=75080 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+349) 10 < 1593785469 238053 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSSZCZCSSSZN => looks Czech and Hungarian to me > 1593785492 7241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Assemblyfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75091&oldid=75090 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+16) 10 < 1593785605 987665 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: answering your question in full, yeah, I believe a representation like those would be canonical. We can even use multi-letter constructors, I forgot one can match many characters at once < 1593785749 822832 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Cons␣S␣S␣Z␣Cons␣Z␣Nil␣ for the prefix version, ending each name in a space. Though this is not the deal of course, but it’s neat we can be faithful to the details of the original haskell-like naming of constructors > 1593785756 703288 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Assemblyfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75092&oldid=75091 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+2213) 10 > 1593785774 820443 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75093&oldid=75070 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+134) 10 < 1593785779 84877 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like these space brackets ␣␣␣ < 1593785790 921416 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593785810 546092 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used them sometimes long time ago when I wrote programs by hand < 1593785832 51076 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don’t remember where I learned about them < 1593785866 350824 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, I think. Well, as long as you can build & consume them from one side only, you only need one stack to hold them (and if you can't, you can probably put them across two stacks, like a tape, if you're prepared to juggle them a bit) < 1593785874 483939 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: hi how are your languages doing? < 1593785893 257154 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote an emulator < 1593785897 139267 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this UM32 thingy < 1593785923 592123 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works, and it's moderately obfuscated < 1593785932 847794 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best settings for some reason break the program so I'm checking it < 1593785948 964267 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah maybe two stacks would be enough, didn’t thought about that. One is definitely not, as we can’t add from another end. Hmm how about a deque-rewriting language where you can match on both ends? < 1593786027 721012 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1593786059 672945 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1593786111 192459 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that would need a revamp of the Haskell impl as it currently uses lists < 1593786129 878216 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would be not a minimal language anymore < 1593786550 308536 :RiriSec!~igor@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1593786563 255554 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye > 1593786651 495744 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75094&oldid=75087 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+15) 10/* Elements */ > 1593786714 190406 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DIVCON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75095&oldid=74874 5* 03A 5* (+186) 10 > 1593786824 605603 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DIVCON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75096&oldid=75095 5* 03A 5* (+289) 10/* Reversible branching */ < 1593786875 649266 :RiriSec!~igor@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.3 > 1593786892 225431 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DIVCON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75097&oldid=75096 5* 03A 5* (+177) 10/* Definitions */ > 1593787020 692760 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DIVCON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75098&oldid=75097 5* 03A 5* (+93) 10/* Branching */ > 1593787124 736421 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DIVCON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75099&oldid=75098 5* 03A 5* (+105) 10/* Instruction list */ < 1593787172 703939 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. It is a bit difficult to simulate matching either end of a deque, when you simulate the deque with two stacks. Each stack needs to be a full copy and, when you rewrite one of them, you have to make the same change to the other (but since it's upside-down, a fair bit of work is involved) > 1593787483 124489 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DIVCON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75100&oldid=75099 5* 03A 5* (+132) 10/* Instruction list */ > 1593787595 535633 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DIVCON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75101&oldid=75100 5* 03A 5* (+38) 10/* Unofficial extension */ < 1593788343 87657 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1593788615 989623 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah, both ends at the same time is tricky. Maybe one could first shuffle all content to the left half-stack, then shuffle the matched amount of character back, and if there’s no match on either end, it should be genuine < 1593788630 223545 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/character/characters < 1593788699 954576 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait there is no “match any character and then place it here”, that’s a minor difficulty too < 1593790455 395357 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1593791341 602975 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593791369 508782 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75102&oldid=75094 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+346) 10/* Each tick */ < 1593791424 314351 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1593791548 722612 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1593791849 69105 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.222 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1593791952 415124 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ed5d:d274:ecba:cf73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593792152 330418 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:f06f:5d5d:5be5:b8ba QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1593793446 536453 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@172.242.0.73 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593794312 845612 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esoteric algorithm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75103&oldid=64510 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+59) 10/* Potential Use */ cat+link > 1593794742 632834 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ChineseScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75104&oldid=38538 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+38) 10 > 1593794828 176911 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unnamed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75105&oldid=44807 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+78) 10 < 1593794901 349718 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1593795615 500077 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unary Filesystem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75106&oldid=73669 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+61) 10/* Cat program for 1 char */ > 1593795661 326460 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unary Filesystem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75107&oldid=75106 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+53) 10/* Cat program for 1 char */ explain > 1593795923 710066 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deviating Percolator14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75108&oldid=42064 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Interpreters */ clearly made in 2010; the year it was implemented is not the year it was created > 1593795947 240428 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75109&oldid=75102 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+722) 10/* Object movement */ > 1593796111 517562 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ESOPUNK14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75110&oldid=70779 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+42) 10let pipe: String? = nil; cats.add() > 1593796165 17210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sea14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75111&oldid=72528 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+41) 10another stub-wip > 1593796199 583359 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Microscript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75112&oldid=71076 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+14) 10link to /* Brainf*** equivalence */ < 1593796207 224376 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric > 1593796850 612796 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75113&oldid=75069 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+11) 10 > 1593796874 16661 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75114&oldid=75113 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-11) 10 < 1593797389 217115 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@172.242.0.73 PART :#esoteric < 1593797626 587241 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I wrote an emulator / for this UM32 thingy" => nice < 1593798771 239168 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1593798822 181579 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" YouTube [...] always turn on autoplay" => disagreed, in my experience they turn on autoplay but it's easy to turn off and they only turn it back on once every six years or so, so that part isn't too annoying < 1593798835 621333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean they turn it on by default. < 1593798849 949609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do all my browsing in fresh browser sessions so I have to turn it off constantly. < 1593798885 37483 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah. I browse youtube from the same few sessions all the time (as in, same one session at home until I reinstall the OS, one session at the work computer etc) < 1593798921 851763 :erdic!~erdic@unaffiliated/motley JOIN :#esoteric < 1593798936 533617 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" [...] how to play an individual video from a [youtube] playlist" => there was an easy interface for that in at least some previous version of youtube, let me check > 1593798949 303690 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75115&oldid=75081 5* 03CubixThree 5* (+197) 10I made me go on the tihng!! < 1593799028 16466 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: can't find a very easy way now, the easiest I recommend is to load the video in the playlist then edit the url bar to remove the "list" GET parameter < 1593799050 40212 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, or use youtube-dl, which can list playlists < 1593799053 741393 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and metadata < 1593799367 826589 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" [mozilla] "recommend extensions when you browse"" => how is that a bad thing? that means that they don't put those extensions as stuff suddenly appearing in your browser at a software update and annoying you by default until you disable it. they're showing restraint compared to how firefox usually works by only recommending stuff. < 1593799530 251554 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" this function that writes some strings to a FILE * argument. If you pass it stdout it works fine, but if you pass it stderr it writes and flushes a lot of small strings. / What's the way to get around that?" => < 1593799542 831749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : /last fine < 1593799545 53428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1593799620 777264 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1593799659 712803 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can afford an extra syscall, then dup stderr, fdopen the dupe, setvbuf it to block-buffered, write into that FILE *, fflush and fclose at leisure. otherwise it's trickier and libc-dependent -- perl and python have easy ways to create an extra file descriptor without duping the underlying handle but libc doesn't. < 1593799991 532633 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are using a libc that has the open_memstream function (which is in POSIX and glibc) and can afford to keep all the data that the function writes in memory at once, you can use open_memstream. otherwise glibc has non-portable functions to create a FILE * with custom backend functions, so you can probably implement an equivalent of fdopen that doesn't require duping the fd using that. > 1593800011 178646 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:CubixThree14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75116 5* 03CubixThree 5* (+235) 10I made it!!! :D < 1593800049 304375 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if none of these conditions apply, then I don't know any other solution to get a suitable FILE *, you'll have to make a version of your function with a different interface. < 1593800172 872736 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" tinker with setbuf() to make stderr buffered," => setvbuf instead of the ancient setbuf please, but I don't recommend this, the problem is that something else may try to use your stderr, including another thread or a broken fatal error exit function that tries to write diagnostics to stderr and then _exits < 1593800214 555361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I'm fine with a different interface. < 1593800235 268851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I would prefer to have the core API not depend on stdio, so it's usable in more contexts. < 1593800415 744143 :Cubix!~quassel@154.16.202.21 QUIT :Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1593800561 505320 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, int-e: mostly fmemopen is for reading, open_memstream is for writing. < 1593800768 863986 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: perl and python let you just fdopen in such a way that it doesn't close the underlying fd when you close the fh. they work differently: perl uses refcounting and closes when you close the last fh, python lets you explicitly choose at open time, but for stderr this distinction is irrelevant. libc doesn't have such an interface for FILE*, but in gnu libc you can implement one from the general < 1593800774 947606 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :custom FILE creation functions. libstdc++ is similar: no builtin, but you can create a custom outputstream. in both cases, the library handles the buffering, and you effectively implement the write function, not the fwrite function. < 1593801112 723378 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" It's just this does things like indenting by printing a bunch of spaces in a loop, and it's not great to have each one be a system call." => but the libc has printf("%.*s%s\n", (int)indent_count, "", line); for that, and that will not flush until the end < 1593801146 997508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, int-e mentioned that and I'm using it now. < 1593801174 854032 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m worried that set-theoretic representation of partitions needs to explicitly forbid empty sets in them. Am I too far gone? < 1593801276 944053 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well technically it's printf("%.s%s\n", (int)(unsigned)(indent_count < 0 ? 0 : indent_count), "", line); so that if you try to indent by more than two gigacolumns you get incorrect indentation instead of undefined behavior, but details. < 1593801358 938393 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sorry, make that just printf("%.s%s\n", (int)(unsigned)indent_count, "", line); < 1593801637 665694 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, it's silly for an API to use malloc if it doesn't need to." => this is for printing a --help machine. it's not a problem to use malloc for that, as long as you give a compilation option to just omit that entire feature < 1593801920 127252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you might be using it on a platform without malloc. > 1593802004 286748 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07STOD14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75117&oldid=51984 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+138) 10cats > 1593802097 557748 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Glutton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75118&oldid=73148 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+27) 10cat /* Processed Ingredients */ > 1593802285 247366 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cbrain14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75119&oldid=36339 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+28) 10/* External resources */ cats < 1593802339 628523 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used open_memstream, and there is also the SQLite functions like sqlite3_str_new which don't use the file interface but it can be used for a similar purpose. I also implemented straccum and strfunish in PostScript which is similar and it does use a file interface, like open_memstream in C does. Also, another way if you still need to keep the file descriptor open in C might be to duplicate it (although the effect is not quite the < 1593802489 672563 :catern!~catern@catern.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1593802507 465517 :catern!~catern@catern.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1593803776 485548 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:a41a:cdf7:15f6:d1f3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593804843 844857 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1593804972 800182 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1593805231 584913 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Client Quit < 1593805700 392302 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1593805758 392519 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593806411 27659 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593806520 474196 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1593806583 506389 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1593806590 705778 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1593806926 966588 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1593807324 540518 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MiniBitMove14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75120&oldid=51866 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+430) 10 > 1593807350 885902 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MiniBitMove14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75121&oldid=75120 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+51) 10header /* Commands */ < 1593807461 423989 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1593807584 853543 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Not The Main Worb/ntmw.py14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75122&oldid=53652 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+58) 10 > 1593807616 908170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Not The Main Worb14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75123&oldid=53648 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+32) 10link > 1593807822 647817 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Noit o' mnain worb14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75124&oldid=34953 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+54) 10unsigned < 1593808525 444751 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1593809299 700564 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dirst14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75125&oldid=40971 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+32) 10/* External resources */ see also > 1593809325 596125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Folders14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75126&oldid=70683 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+27) 10/* External resources */ see also > 1593809353 869608 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Folders14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75127&oldid=75126 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* External resources */ cat > 1593809400 875186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unary Filesystem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75128&oldid=75107 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+65) 10/* Cat program for 1 char */ cat > 1593809423 269901 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Folders14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75129&oldid=75127 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10/* See also */ uf > 1593809436 653905 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dirst14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75130&oldid=75125 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10/* See also */ uf < 1593810578 771379 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1593812379 28423 :catern!~catern@catern.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1593812399 885995 :catern!~catern@catern.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1593814135 461377 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Feet2picture 5* 10New user account < 1593814388 339690 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the algorithm for cangjie rendering? > 1593814518 693624 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75131&oldid=75115 5* 03Feet2picture 5* (+273) 10/* Introductions */ < 1593815378 40598 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593815434 151059 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1593815457 464837 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1593816205 741442 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07GORBITSA14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75132&oldid=74548 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (-182) 10Separate basic and advanced programs < 1593816985 953912 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1593817069 949934 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1593817140 486105 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1593817380 609888 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1593818108 708457 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:a41a:cdf7:15f6:d1f3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1593818341 456050 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1593818561 260864 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1593820017 189063 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 > 1593820305 384144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07GORBITSA14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75133&oldid=75132 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10/* Implementations */ < 1593821539 959537 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593822551 158538 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1593823095 398832 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how I still find the term "ground water" funny, because there's no way you can grind water to a fine powder. (xkcd makes the opposite point about ground beef.) well, today I found out there were such things as organ grinders. and no, those weren't like meat grinders used to grind liver. < 1593823109 518710 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593824159 935036 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1593824665 865110 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1593825221 4892 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1593825739 178058 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1593826785 448912 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:986b:bd92:f82:a7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: They usually had a crank like one though > 1593827066 936802 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C-Hex14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75134 5* 03Feet2picture 5* (+3691) 10Talks about C-Hex, teaches you how to use it to! > 1593827085 702156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C-Hex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75135&oldid=75134 5* 03Feet2picture 5* (+1) 10/* =Structure */ < 1593827283 680833 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: no, as far as I understand the organ grinder is the human operating and driving the organ, so the human doesn't have a crank]\ > 1593827312 184988 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C-Hex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75136&oldid=75135 5* 03Feet2picture 5* (+35) 10/* HOW TO CODE IN IT */ < 1593827338 942239 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1593828430 896069 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1593828477 753236 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:986b:bd92:f82:a7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Well, he turns the crank, similarly to someone who is grinding meat. < 1593829031 510849 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1593831051 414934 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-48-139.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1593831240 218515 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1593832415 933484 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593832801 951194 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1593833861 604237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75137&oldid=73304 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+145) 10 < 1593836395 510205 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1593836400 365431 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1593839607 282946 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75138&oldid=72886 5* 03Feet2picture 5* (+54) 10/* General languages */ > 1593839684 457012 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C-Hex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75139&oldid=75136 5* 03Feet2picture 5* (-9) 10/* HOW TO CODE IN IT */ > 1593839851 928388 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C-Hex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75140&oldid=75139 5* 03Feet2picture 5* (+2) 10/* C-Hex */ > 1593841056 255492 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C-Hex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75141&oldid=75140 5* 03Feet2picture 5* (+508) 10/* Examples */ < 1593843687 201304 :adu_!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593843707 420080 :adu_!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net NICK :adu < 1593845440 972091 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1593846773 767811 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1593846826 945639 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1593847127 979732 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1593847632 125144 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1593848900 309643 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1593849014 522328 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1593849065 553740 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esoteric programming language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75142&oldid=61022 5* 03A 5* (+30) 10/* Brevity */ < 1593853008 416720 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593855658 232712 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593856131 242035 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1593856291 934621 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593857417 82875 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1593857479 573832 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593858363 286046 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1593858366 960727 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:135) it's not obvious from quantum mechanics that you can destroy a universe arbitrarily. \ 6) what, you mean that wasn't your real name? Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that. < 1593858632 198798 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593858684 201589 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593858757 997763 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1593858765 342867 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1593860345 698039 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1593861963 492997 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1593861991 256285 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1593864047 189343 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593864869 394959 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75143&oldid=75114 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+77) 10 > 1593865654 955939 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75144&oldid=75093 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+8) 10 > 1593866041 860099 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75145&oldid=75144 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+200) 10-hybrid instrs,+note doc > 1593866138 635260 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esoteric programming language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75146&oldid=75142 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+1) 10 > 1593866242 732756 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C-Hex14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75147&oldid=75141 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+65) 10cats, hdr > 1593866306 850524 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C-Hex14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75148&oldid=75147 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+18) 10/* Examples */ fix::cat() & 2020 > 1593866473 725322 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Weirdlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75149&oldid=45736 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+46) 10/* On the terms Weird and Esoteric */ cats > 1593866513 995105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75150&oldid=75143 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+17) 10 > 1593866697 759538 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Esoteric programming language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75151&oldid=34415 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+28) 10wayback > 1593866946 88072 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75152&oldid=75150 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+31) 10 > 1593867072 764920 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Template:Wayback14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75153&oldid=45228 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+13) 10close tag > 1593867171 169473 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Q-Ref14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75154&oldid=13464 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+50) 10cat + tt > 1593867188 908651 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Q-Ref14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75155&oldid=75154 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10queue link > 1593867283 915294 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75156&oldid=75152 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+71) 10 < 1593867345 554944 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 148*351.17 < 1593867346 28240 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 51973.2 > 1593867425 439788 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Verbose14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75157&oldid=47355 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+35) 10 > 1593867537 72055 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bigspace14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75158&oldid=74950 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+33) 10 > 1593867626 584526 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Anarchysm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75159&oldid=74856 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+63) 10fix > 1593867900 655140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Andrew's Programming Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75160&oldid=69054 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+2) 10 > 1593867919 596300 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Andrew's Programming Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75161&oldid=75160 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+42) 10 > 1593868076 626285 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75162&oldid=75109 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-28) 10/* Name ideas (using Writeover) */ > 1593868467 649136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Andrew's Programming Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75163&oldid=21397 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+110) 10/* Conclusion */ cats > 1593868482 418047 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Andrew's Programming Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75164&oldid=75163 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-8) 10var pipe: nil > 1593868521 66558 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Seeker14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75165&oldid=55479 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+1) 10gramar++ > 1593868611 434777 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Seeker14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75166&oldid=75165 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+0) 10gramar+=2; > 1593868657 993389 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75167&oldid=75156 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+12) 10 > 1593868735 484433 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Seeker14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75168&oldid=75166 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+0) 10gram mar+=3; > 1593868838 188713 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ight14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75169&oldid=62881 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+43) 10+categors > 1593868853 369380 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Andrew's Programming Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75170&oldid=75164 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+14) 10wip, you say? > 1593869315 491965 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75171&oldid=75167 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+79) 10 < 1593869348 960840 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1593869550 538118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parnassus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75172&oldid=25116 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+9) 10+stub > 1593869606 56105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sonata14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75173&oldid=20295 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+55) 10cat ++ bold ++ links > 1593869652 444056 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sonata14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75174&oldid=75173 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+59) 10/* Turing completeness */ cats > 1593869720 438610 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Anemone14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75175&oldid=50355 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+40) 10cat ** misc > 1593869794 343105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Print Function Deluxe14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75176&oldid=69250 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+45) 10 > 1593869875 81073 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Print Function Deluxe14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75177&oldid=75176 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+23) 10 > 1593870046 385190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C--14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75178&oldid=71450 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+9) 10+stub > 1593870496 852350 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75179&oldid=75162 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+228) 10 > 1593870746 450340 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Earfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75180&oldid=67088 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+181) 10cats + depipe > 1593870803 703323 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07B sharp14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75181&oldid=72943 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+115) 10cats > 1593870812 203030 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07B sharp14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75182&oldid=75181 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* See also */ fix cat > 1593870848 831815 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simple translation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75183&oldid=73377 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10 > 1593870892 387696 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Earfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75184&oldid=75180 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+101) 10 > 1593871049 143678 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07IBC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75185&oldid=72946 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+120) 10/* Turing-completeness */ cats > 1593871076 75686 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Carriage/Carriage.hs14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75186&oldid=73423 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-14) 10back > 1593871504 555100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ni14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75187&oldid=74813 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-23) 10 > 1593871646 571722 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pepe14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75188&oldid=58917 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+9) 10stub > 1593871676 180749 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C--14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75189&oldid=75178 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10cat < 1593872835 370003 :tromp__!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:4011:93ab:c2ac:92c0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593872985 435191 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ed5d:d274:ecba:cf73 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1593873268 749534 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DROL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75190&oldid=51990 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+67) 10 > 1593873311 462578 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75191&oldid=75171 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+10) 10 > 1593873541 526975 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C-Hex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75192&oldid=75148 5* 03Feet2picture 5* (+489) 10 > 1593873573 210259 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BytePusher II14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75193&oldid=73849 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10 > 1593873712 204167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteMover14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75194&oldid=39956 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10bold > 1593873733 332352 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ikkljoup14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75195&oldid=37366 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10 > 1593873785 72038 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Auo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75196&oldid=40948 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+38) 10/* External resources */ > 1593874602 457347 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75197&oldid=75191 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+287) 10 < 1593875240 433609 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1593875537 152750 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75198&oldid=75197 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+78) 10 > 1593875623 655240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75199&oldid=75198 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+16) 10 > 1593876218 114572 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DROL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75200&oldid=75190 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10 > 1593876383 739444 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Orca14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75201&oldid=70215 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10 > 1593876424 282058 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Entropy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75202&oldid=41717 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-3) 10/* Drunk Eliza */ > 1593876726 872065 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07*14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75203&oldid=66294 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+120) 10cas < 1593876756 749829 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593876775 895162 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, I've finished writing some programs for it < 1593876790 120156 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put it through my obfuscator and the package is downloadable from my website < 1593876798 135065 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kspalaiologos.now.im/doc/contest.zip - if you're feeling like it, you can give it a shot < 1593876839 666456 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two binaries, the 3KB one has more obfuscated operations and a bit simpler control flow, while the 2nd one has a heavily obfuscated control flow and quite plain operations < 1593876860 930918 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :overall they're quite small, with the 1st one barely hitting the 1,7KB mark > 1593876863 32951 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Logic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75204&oldid=57001 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+96) 10/* See also */ cats + * > 1593876877 525566 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Logic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75205&oldid=75204 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* See also */ str.lower() < 1593876879 901734 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed stuff around to my liking and engineered a 24-byte cat for it > 1593876990 931341 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75206&oldid=68183 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+80) 10/* Syntax */ > 1593877167 1363 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Log14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75207&oldid=75206 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+29) 10/* XNOR */ how this self modifying? > 1593877261 966178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MangularJS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75208&oldid=72947 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10/* Variable */ > 1593877356 93263 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MangularJS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75209&oldid=75208 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+56) 10/* See also */ > 1593877661 192556 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75210&oldid=74816 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+114) 10/* kcufnairb */ > 1593877700 822438 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/AllTheCats14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75211&oldid=74922 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-13) 10/* Computational class */ > 1593877721 913876 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/AllTheCats14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75212&oldid=75211 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-24) 10/* Others */ p < 1593877906 514253 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: for UM-32? and you call it "contest.zip" like there's only one good contest esolang? < 1593877983 787048 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just my entry < 1593877985 542328 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the contest < 1593877997 790830 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what contest? < 1593878002 970165 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :organised at esolangs server < 1593878008 604360 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme paste over the desc < 1593878010 376506 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh... do you have a link? < 1593878018 248705 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll send later < 1593878027 38624 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1593878034 747735 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse-engineering contests: given a bug-less interpreter, try to understand the underlying language and write a simple program in it (fizzbuzz maybe? hello world? cat?) < 1593878034 853405 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter author has to write the sample beforehand and release it after the contest is over < 1593878064 625420 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me. can we finally change the wiki featured language? < 1593878093 340939 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propose asm2bfd. < 1593878096 592739 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*asm2bf < 1593878136 995091 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you wrote two obfuscated interpreters for the same language? < 1593878330 791685 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use public key crypto < 1593878352 237405 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nobody said it would have to be a fair challenge) < 1593878386 777417 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1593878401 672294 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in code signing < 1593878413 273347 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593878985 803312 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that if you define multiplication on C² as (z, w) ⋅ (z′, w′) = (z z′ ± w w′*, z w′ + w z′*) then you get quaternions in the − case (this is the usual Cayley—Dickson construction) or the full Clifford algebra of the euclidean plane in the + case? < 1593879112 491464 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my target was the last one, as I knew C is isomorphic to the even subalgebra of that (H is also an even subalgebra, but for 3D euclidean Clifford algebra, and now you can start suspecting something), but I also accidentally rediscovered you get H when you simply change sign < 1593879272 146966 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the construction is in fact very basic: you just take C and add an element i′ such that i i′ = −i′ i (in other words, z i′ = i′ z*), and when i′² = +1 then that’ll get you Cl(2, 0, R) and if i′² = −1 (and we can think of it as j or e. g. k) that’ll deliver you H < 1593879318 506528 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that sign in the multiplication definition above is precisely the sign of i′²) < 1593879374 805715 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, yes < 1593879377 360482 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in the end you may use pairs of complex numbers to represent reflections and all that, not only rotations and scalings < 1593879378 206540 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how in IEEE floating point numbers, -0 is the additive identity, more so than 0? so when someone mentions 0 in some unfamiliar number system, you should think of it as the value you get from x-x for almost any x, as opposed to think of it as the additive identity < 1593879381 161334 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first one compiled with other obfuscation and compiler settings < 1593879391 587471 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the readme > 1593879572 593850 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RSSB14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75213&oldid=54348 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-2) 10 < 1593879732 593222 :MDead!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593879898 272986 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1593879908 199415 :MDead!~MDude@74.5.140.76 NICK :MDude > 1593881059 226320 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multiply14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75214&oldid=73034 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+72) 10cats > 1593884363 124164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Black Turing-completeness proof14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75215&oldid=53840 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+15) 10 < 1593884407 403230 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593884490 514623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75216&oldid=57442 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-27) 10/* Turing completeness */ > 1593884927 491829 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Object (programming language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75217&oldid=33533 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+63) 10/* Interpreter */ cats < 1593885031 448706 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1593885034 153702 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Reversible-2D14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75218&oldid=17251 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+92) 10 > 1593885133 190107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Useless14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75219&oldid=43929 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+40) 10 > 1593885147 949038 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Useless14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75220&oldid=75219 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+27) 10/* External resources */ unused > 1593885199 169233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alarm Clock Radio/implementation.rb14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75221&oldid=54013 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+58) 10cat+back > 1593885241 60588 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alarm Clock Radio14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75222&oldid=74961 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+89) 10/* See also */ impl > 1593885315 704183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07~EarthBit14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75223&oldid=46347 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+56) 10cats > 1593885376 204853 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Autopsy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75224&oldid=58595 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-9) 10pipe->destroy! > 1593885516 915473 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Simplified Circuit Diagram14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75225&oldid=49684 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-29) 10cats + (code -> pre) < 1593885646 900827 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1593885652 277560 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1593885667 652628 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Spyrodecimal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75226&oldid=27329 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+30) 10 < 1593885735 897083 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1593885854 698716 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know something (a book, a book-like website) good teaching SQL? A friend asked and I don’t have any bibliography on it < 1593886069 689829 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, so, any ideas? < 1593886081 484745 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you rate the difficulty < 1593886089 8417 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which binary is harder to wrap your head around < 1593886359 432543 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:6da7:3f1:4780:4c38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593886591 649425 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, is there a random assembly code generator somewhere < 1593887055 481521 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: sorry, writing programs in esoteric languages isn't really my thing < 1593887063 235872 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no < 1593887065 596413 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean this < 1593887076 791941 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to know did you take a look in a reverse engineering tool at the binaries < 1593887080 549902 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if I want to reverse engineer bad code, I just look at the stuff I maintain at work < 1593887086 315119 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do it for pleasure < 1593887087 927579 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1593887100 715852 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a malware research expert or security expert < 1593887101 150122 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the output of my obfuscator is way worse than your colleagues' whatever < 1593887124 29106 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I devoured hundreds of zines from my archives < 1593887124 134787 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: no no, the output of your obfuscator is usually correct, so I don't have to touch it < 1593887135 573897 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my coworkers code has random inconsistent bugs in it, and it has to be replaced < 1593887142 171662 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quality is worse than a BASIC programmer's spaghetti < 1593887147 298892 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1593887152 999358 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which language is it? < 1593887158 730400 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reverse engineer to find out what it was supposed to do, not for what it's doing < 1593887170 18120 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1593887171 998662 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1593887172 953070 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Siemens GUI nonsense < 1593887179 448505 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C? < 1593887183 904567 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :industrial stuff < 1593887185 271418 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's C, then it's especially painful < 1593887188 452528 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :has a little C in it too < 1593887203 251588 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, giving a few features < 1593887211 624719 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my obfuscator has well over 500 different transformers < 1593887229 720917 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires a skilled assembly programmer to operate it, because it's still quite a requiring process to go through < 1593887246 367170 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a polymorphic meta-engine < 1593887252 200336 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds terrible < 1593887252 728250 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :call hiding < 1593887265 237435 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :code structure mangling < 1593887275 437082 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghidra literally fails to do anything with the binary < 1593887284 192654 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can also optimize and shrink binaries < 1593887300 526932 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original was 5KB on release full on size; while compiled on speed and packed it's 3KB < 1593887308 243937 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compiled on size and optimized it's 1,5KB < 1593887315 282746 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the performance loss is marginal < 1593887330 530936 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went rogue for two weeks and wrote it around December last year < 1593887361 971760 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the packed executables have a detection rate (false positives) of 1-4/72 < 1593887395 643623 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also bundles some inlined intrisic functions < 1593887401 233021 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Visual C doesn't inline for whatever reason < 1593887421 374841 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can unwrap malloc/realloc/free calls into HeapAlloc/HeapRealloc etc < 1593887436 373023 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the dependency on the C runtime is really not a thing < 1593887457 741047 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can also do switch table mangling (literally every tool I tested for disassembly or decompilation has failed on this) < 1593887549 833549 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a couple of disadvantages - you need to make a preset for every release (id est, review 500 checkboxes and comboboxes and other dialog popups regarding obfuscation, optimization and shrinking) < 1593887581 635616 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it sometimes produces crashing code, so I'm doing unit tests all the time and improving the transformers to be less aggressive if not desired < 1593887613 67042 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote such a tool for Java, and I considered writing one for Lua to first mangle the Lua source code, then build it using luac, strip symbols and then obfuscate it on the assembly level < 1593887634 593952 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cracking, reverse-engineering and malware is just my thing :p, especially malware analysis < 1593887645 616230 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 100GB of malware samples on my PC < 1593887658 492586 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I just read the documentation of the database software to learn SQL. (In my case, I use SQLite; maybe you use something else) < 1593887863 6921 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: 100 GB of malware samples? < 1593887864 908382 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds crazy < 1593887902 176538 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1593887911 476038 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS, Windows, Linux, MacOS, Symbian < 1593887918 51366 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have malware for most platforms < 1593887922 268522 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have some for 6502 computers < 1593887938 211509 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a lot of disassemblies I did, source code leaks < 1593887957 331563 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm a bit selfish and I'm not willing to share my malware :p < 1593887975 740560 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, if someone really wants... :d > 1593888006 503646 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:C-Hex14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75227 5* 03Feet2picture 5* (+15) 10Created page with "DISCUSSION PAGE" < 1593888016 250042 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thanks, I don't want 100 GB of malware < 1593888024 994922 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: do you do that for work? < 1593888027 947756 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :malware is lovely < 1593888033 253479 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could work with malware < 1593888046 452643 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a poor student, what else can I do < 1593888052 365999 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the code for a computer virus of thirteen bytes: 35 00 3C 41 87 F2 CD 21 93 B4 40 CD 21 < 1593888057 867323 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I earn by writing assignments for people < 1593888069 735166 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I made a MBR overwriting trojan with a graphical payload in 86 bytes < 1593888111 351027 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh what did I just witness < 1593888115 292186 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: I don't mean malware specifically, but reverse engineering in general < 1593888118 243054 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? kspalaiologos < 1593888120 163472 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos is a brainfuck addict and a late night Perl hacker. He's secretly disassembling brainfuck code for a casino that lost the source code. Apparently knows the secret of Malbolge. < 1593888126 31121 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could work with RE < 1593888127 526834 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: thanks! I used SQLite a bit and read its docs, yeah, though I don’t think that’d be a friendly introductory read :) < 1593888128 81324 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the casino brainfuck disassembly counts < 1593888139 584967 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sell my obfuscators < 1593888185 890439 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh I need to run this virus, because it's not obvious at first what does it do < 1593888204 624580 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Well, I don't know, but at least I found it suitable. < 1593888210 714931 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a file write < 1593888231 15254 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it like, overwrite command.com or something? < 1593888232 176350 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1593888267 535821 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: now you have 100000013 bytes of malware < 1593888272 216646 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no thanks, I don't want 100 GB of malware => I bet at least half of it is a single virus written in Malbolge < 1593888278 210209 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kek < 1593888290 640981 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew you’d like that :D < 1593888295 112237 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure I would < 1593888309 202580 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh it seems like I'm out of VMs < 1593888318 277575 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nuked all my VMs before, I need to install DOS < 1593888368 727973 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: anyways that’s a good advice in general, I’d say < 1593888392 184455 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's one of those barely portable malware that work only with a specific old version of DOS < 1593888406 820417 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1593888409 719233 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only if you sys a floppy disk first thing you do < 1593888409 930322 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the source code < 1593888419 563188 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 90% sure it pulls filename from the RAM < 1593888422 936549 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :within the first instruction < 1593888424 608697 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :opens the file < 1593888426 588789 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then truncates it < 1593888437 732464 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have no idea which file is it < 1593888447 725320 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric : // typing :wq! in MS-DOS edit was a brainfart < 1593888601 246090 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, int21h AH=3Ch is file open/truncate < 1593888609 368223 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AL=0x00 it was set for whatever reason < 1593888618 849808 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor usage seems dubious here too < 1593888632 18701 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inc cx => creates a readonly file < 1593888641 323184 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchg si, di => ?? < 1593888650 4588 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it does int21h ah=0x40 < 1593888656 556682 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is file write < 1593888671 130936 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for whatever reason" => it's set because loading a two-byte constant to AX is three bytes, loading a one-byte constant to AH is three bytes, so it's usually free to set AX together < 1593888687 552074 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no need to < 1593888690 878816 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because AL ain't used < 1593888749 862432 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor ax,0x3c00 is 35 00 3c < 1593888759 976370 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov ah,0x3c is b43c < 1593888762 168571 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one byte shorter < 1593888786 808769 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1593888795 370651 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok sorry I'm just stupid < 1593888835 786622 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it just wants to confuse antivirus tools that quickly look for MOV AH stuff < 1593888843 156482 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may it be < 1593888890 722635 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh what < 1593888892 138121 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a trojan < 1593888897 661178 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just displays random gibberish for hell knows what reason < 1593888930 232360 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :system is intact < 1593888965 772308 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my 2-byte virus is better: FAF4 < 1593888997 52325 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will just wait for NMI < 1593889004 308196 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more malicious version is EBFE < 1593889008 500477 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :id est, `jmp $' < 1593889104 392384 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work, because it tries to read the filename from ds:dx, which points to ds:0000 < 1593889113 31214 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case, it was some random gibberish < 1593889120 324275 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the file open fails with code ax=05h < 1593889179 258013 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tries then to open file 05h < 1593889181 44453 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and overwrite it < 1593889237 604145 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it just so happened that in my memory later there is push cs/pop ds/mov dx,256f/mov ax,0900/int21h, which displayed the gibberish < 1593889263 57954 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, unsurprisingly, this program isn't meant to terminate < 1593889489 816813 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: ds:0000 is the start of the PSP which always has an executable instruction, I don't know how you'd find a filename there < 1593889506 641383 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's CS:000 < 1593889509 57148 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not DS < 1593889529 980912 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you load a DOS com executable, the offset is CS:0100 < 1593889538 560347 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because before, starting with CS:0000, there is the PSP < 1593889540 311987 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a com file, CS and DS point to the same place < 1593889545 559190 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1593889546 403691 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1593889546 842726 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1593889548 16639 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfart < 1593889562 545576 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know where would you take the filename from too < 1593889570 540571 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence the virus is screwed and doesn't work < 1593889572 586998 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another piece of crap < 1593889588 178468 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1593890321 59709 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:6da7:3f1:4780:4c38 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1593890418 358742 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it isn't meant to be the entire program, but something put into another program? I don't know. < 1593890669 690119 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like random assembly code < 1593890693 35938 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly, I was wondering, how could I somehow procedurally generate correctly-decompiling assembly code < 1593890707 63268 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because this would be a game changer for my obfuscator, a little bit < 1593890720 892641 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without going through all opcodes and other boring stuff > 1593890917 550950 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07205070614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75228&oldid=25383 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+27) 10gold+ ats < 1593890918 223177 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know > 1593892788 320979 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Finite looping automaton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75229&oldid=68213 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+85) 10cas > 1593892958 762067 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ComeFrom14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75230&oldid=41686 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* Running */ > 1593893039 117481 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ComeFrom214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75231&oldid=41695 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-30) 10internal-ify link % cat < 1593893086 524882 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1593893163 517209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Administrators14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75232&oldid=39097 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10grm < 1593893233 188212 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593893290 830544 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Al Dente examples14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75233&oldid=50614 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+42) 10cat+back > 1593893356 507814 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Al Dente14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75234&oldid=65345 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+70) 10cats > 1593895798 868541 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75235&oldid=75179 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+20) 10/* Mirrors */ > 1593895901 37719 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07This=That 2.014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75236&oldid=68180 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+26) 10 > 1593896075 810610 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07This=That 3.014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75237&oldid=66442 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10 > 1593896138 690278 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ThisIsNotARealLanguage14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75238&oldid=74664 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+30) 10cat > 1593896243 724746 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Anarchysm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75239&oldid=75159 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-31) 10rm br > 1593896282 162473 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Anarchysm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75240&oldid=75239 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+10) 10 > 1593896427 261491 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pointless14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75241&oldid=63538 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+71) 10cats + misc > 1593896626 483606 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mbius14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75242&oldid=66196 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+166) 10/* Commands */ < 1593896702 117841 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1593896765 895467 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75243&oldid=75089 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+43) 10 > 1593896829 532828 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75244&oldid=75235 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10/* Mirrors */ > 1593896958 766695 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75245&oldid=75244 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+99) 10/* Category:NULLA */ > 1593896991 376019 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75246&oldid=75245 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* Characters */ < 1593897016 771657 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 QUIT :Quit: gone too far > 1593897398 404710 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75247&oldid=75246 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+487) 10/* Nondeterminism in paths */ > 1593897468 699980 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75248&oldid=75247 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+139) 10/* Characters */ < 1593899408 208979 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1593901964 293149 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1593902091 525841 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593902327 641439 :stux!stux2@grid9.quadspeedi.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1593906204 905777 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1593906687 246090 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Curlyfrick14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75249&oldid=63137 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+77) 10Do > 1593906724 857739 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Curlyfrick/Interpreter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75250&oldid=63124 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+50) 10Cat and back < 1593907677 2653 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593908078 231860 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593908356 261839 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1593908924 481985 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1593909368 991636 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lo'reran14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75251&oldid=34488 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10 < 1593912844 818294 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1593914139 161091 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 32*12*0.0256 < 1593914139 794562 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 9.8304 < 1593914296 566259 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 72 < 1593914297 841123 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :72.00°F = 22.22°C < 1593915709 928176 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1593916172 568238 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593916549 340481 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Safari keep trying to request favicon.ico with every request even though the response is 410? Shouldn't it cache the response (whether 200 or 410)? < 1593922532 382580 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1593922898 220427 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593925408 548878 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1593925661 61357 :Stella!45f4d03c@c-69-244-208-60.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593925700 185358 :Stella!45f4d03c@c-69-244-208-60.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1593925961 520419 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593927895 44135 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1593928043 514880 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593929538 158766 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593929810 204890 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1593931027 465602 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:6858:d17f:cf6:f41a JOIN :#esoteric < 1593932863 192607 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593934268 595912 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that seems like a bug in Safari < 1593934679 425604 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593934774 291050 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :blasphemy > 1593936304 157647 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Triangular14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75252&oldid=66199 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+68) 10 > 1593936385 457475 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75253&oldid=75145 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+9) 10gram mar+=4; > 1593937029 443741 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75254&oldid=75253 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+286) 10 > 1593937109 34523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75255&oldid=75254 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+147) 10 > 1593937678 960182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75256&oldid=75009 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+876) 10 > 1593938375 854324 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75257&oldid=75255 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+34) 10 > 1593938415 407974 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75258&oldid=75257 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+75) 10 < 1593938906 316085 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593939073 953237 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1593940761 167119 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1593942480 822186 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I think I got the line breaking in TeXnicard to work properly. (Although, maybe there are still a few mistakes and/or missing stuff, I don't know.) (Also, there are some other features that I would intend to add in future, such as "sections".) > 1593943656 313713 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UM814]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75259 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+335) 10Created page with "UM8 is a virtual machine created by [[User:Palaiologos]] for the Esolang reverse-engineering contest. As the contest hasn't finished yet, the specification hasn't been publish..." > 1593943808 857000 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75260&oldid=75256 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+438) 10 > 1593943959 248200 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75261&oldid=75260 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+239) 10 > 1593944213 220948 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75262&oldid=75261 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+103) 10 > 1593944550 819888 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75263&oldid=75199 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-18) 10 < 1593944879 53249 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1593945074 951609 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593945214 420008 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1593945246 855449 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1593946870 743411 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft. https://mobile.twitter.com/anishgiri/status/1279716938143457281 "Why not mate in 1?" - "Because there's stuff I wanna do." < 1593947233 178540 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593948436 765545 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading about a computer chess match from about 1970 where one of the participants had a mate in one but instead of taking it shuffled its kings around. Meanwhile the opponent ended up promoting one of its pawns < 1593949397 495940 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was COKO III vs. Genie, ACM 1971 --> https://www.chessprogramming.org/Coko#Mate_in_one.3F < 1593949513 539452 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://lichess.org/aooMurBn <-- here it is on Lichess < 1593949532 694206 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(link courtesy of TVTropes) > 1593949735 917642 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UM814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75264&oldid=75259 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+38) 10stub + cat > 1593949996 302112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75265&oldid=51933 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-22) 10cats + rmbr + fact < 1593950079 151631 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out I have a pgn viewer < 1593950084 493144 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute game < 1593950096 191160 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :must've been frustrating to the operators > 1593950118 355665 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mugh brains14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75266&oldid=18217 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+126) 10lower, cats, bold, ns notice > 1593950308 438373 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Triangular14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75267&oldid=75252 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-47) 10 > 1593950714 245569 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75268&oldid=75248 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+179) 10/* Infinite loops */ < 1593950796 520777 :brj!~hogfather@123.201.77.100 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593951115 631301 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75269&oldid=75268 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+633) 10/* Object movement */ > 1593951256 733226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75270&oldid=75269 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+213) 10/* Nondeterminism in paths */ < 1593952193 965000 :batman_nair!~batman_na@103.130.108.22 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593952963 122986 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75271&oldid=75270 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-5283) 10Blanked the page > 1593952990 980404 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Objects In Mirror Are Heavier Than They Appear14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75272 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+5269) 10add OIMAHTTA > 1593953025 544793 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75273&oldid=75028 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+53) 10/* O */ + [[Objects In Mirror Are Heavier Than They Appear]] > 1593953105 877959 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Paranoid Programming Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75274&oldid=40754 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10cats()() > 1593953200 442508 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75275&oldid=75033 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+115) 10/* Languages */ add oimahtta > 1593953347 714184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07No-code esolang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75276&oldid=69305 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+73) 10add example > 1593953461 225570 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unnecessary14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75277&oldid=73754 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+40) 10/* External resources */ catw > 1593953623 39119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esoteric data structure14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75278&oldid=64491 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+108) 10lower + seealso < 1593953673 211439 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 JOIN :#esoteric > 1593953678 69941 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Timeline of esoteric programming languages14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75279&oldid=73003 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+11) 10/* 2038 */ tt > 1593953948 940582 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Timeline of esoteric programming languages14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75280&oldid=75279 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+57) 10confuse > 1593954063 992056 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07History (programming language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75281&oldid=72999 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+109) 10links+no_cdlstmt+cats > 1593954188 122264 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07P14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75282&oldid=71111 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* External resources */ not bf && is tc > 1593954314 804288 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07OIL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75283&oldid=51081 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+20) 10edit summary < 1593956488 925746 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see now cyclotomic fields should be pretty comfortable to work with. For representing Q[√2], one can optimize away 8 rationals to just two (a coefficient for 1 and a coefficient for (exp(iτ/8) + exp(−iτ/8)) as is with the straightforward constructible representation. Merging two fields is also very easy for cyclotomics, just take LCM. But how to find sqrt(x) (and a new field for it)? < 1593956530 937469 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyclotomics are really "nice" < 1593956561 345534 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplicative_group_of_integers_modulo_n the galois group is always this < 1593956572 149796 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :often cyclic > 1593956884 571364 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fold14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75284&oldid=62051 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+76) 10(hdr + cats + unpipe)() > 1593956982 553056 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fold14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75285&oldid=75284 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* Minimal Examples */ cat < 1593957168 942818 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:6858:d17f:cf6:f41a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1593957494 671158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vandevelo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75286&oldid=74095 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* Special variables */ > 1593957545 56130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vandevelo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75287&oldid=75286 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+31) 10/* Truth-machine */ cat < 1593958945 873471 :brj!~hogfather@123.201.77.100 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1593959054 476793 :brj!~hogfather@219.91.183.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593959264 517550 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593959351 442756 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: how would it be 8 rationals otherwise? < 1593959391 550444 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean you can't just change the dimension of a finite dimensional vector field < 1593959445 689826 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyclotomic fields might be nice but I don't think they help for such a simple case as Q[sqrt(2)] < 1593959479 735046 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, another interesting set of fields is the nth roots of primes < 1593959487 936949 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are non-galois extensions < 1593959492 156428 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1593959498 598568 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but paired with an nth root of unity you have a galois ext. again < 1593959634 425939 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1593959750 286735 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Manycats14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75288&oldid=73702 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+5) 10rdr > 1593959807 501572 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Rewriting Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75289&oldid=73583 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* Syntax */ > 1593959901 956327 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Rewriting Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75290&oldid=75289 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+200) 10cats & psdw < 1593960432 421700 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1593960601 352059 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/UnusedLangLetters14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75291&oldid=74977 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-2282) 10rm o, add #s < 1593960676 977077 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593961098 148197 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593961577 429954 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@172.242.0.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1593961854 433122 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I mean, when one doesn’t know the exact dimension of Q_n over Q, one just can take n rationals and compute, though equality and several other things will be more complex than they should be < 1593962043 856658 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this way is even necessary sometimes, I heard there are modules where you don’t have a basis but you can take some linearly dependent systems in its place < 1593962071 953538 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that’s why we love fields over rings < 1593962118 98663 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :“over” not in mathematical sense < 1593962139 987416 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn’t even know what field over a ring would be < 1593962175 994953 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.208.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be outright nonsentical > 1593962665 919630 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75292&oldid=75243 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2713) 10 > 1593962789 350088 PRIVMSG #esoteric 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:kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1593966161 281671 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a subset of J would be fun < 1593966230 718415 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that j-- looks boring > 1593966245 526680 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Amnesiac From Minsk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75296&oldid=58869 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* Syntax */ grm > 1593966282 830897 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Amnesiac From Minsk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75297&oldid=75296 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-4) 10/* Syntax */ rm word < 1593966388 536168 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's java without turing-complete generics < 1593966466 803154 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-158.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... it's java without classes. that's weird < 1593966526 426062 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com 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PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Enrichment Center is required to remind you that you will be baked, and then there will be cake. < 1593974690 162366 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1593974850 991061 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1593975086 433609 :batman_nair!~batman_na@103.130.108.22 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1593975242 575185 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1593975474 798032 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Feet2picture14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75304 5* 03Feet2picture 5* (+47) 10Created page with "Creator of [[C-Hex]]. 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A soft, indestructible automaton provided by nature to be < 1594005232 365339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :kicked when things go wrong in the domestic circle. < 1594005232 468463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1594005232 468514 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : This is a dog, < 1594005234 385319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :[7 @more lines] < 1594005873 233687 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594009887 789870 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594009913 426561 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594010176 364979 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1594010178 250819 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:283) http://www.sessionmagazine.com/img/nature/worlds-10-smallest-animals/worlds-10-smallest-animals07.jpg worlds biggest thumb \ 1168) fungot has not done me any harm yet int-e: no niinku pl niinku fnord niinku fnord fnord fnord < 1594010990 245930 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594011137 211681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1594011266 76054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @@ @where " < 1594011271 370597 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : amstan says: best device i ever used, my nexus tablet is only an alarm clock now \ Cheshire says: Ruby is the same as Java < 1594011534 502227 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is not the same? < 1594011829 165121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, is there no way to do nonblocking reads on stdin when it's a tty device? < 1594011898 521336 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you have to switch it to noncanonical mode; I don't know < 1594011941 218425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even then reads are blocking, right? < 1594011971 807486 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think you can set reads to be nonblocking then < 1594011981 810373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the thing people do to read one byte at a time, and poll between each byte? < 1594011988 31151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can? < 1594012023 634367 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure though; maybe I misremembered < 1594013637 430449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594014018 548065 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1594014170 739344 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bot < 1594014178 619625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1594016527 956711 :brj!~hogfather@123.201.163.4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1594016655 33320 :brj!~hogfather@123.201.165.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594018702 517210 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594018988 507156 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1594019451 303896 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75336&oldid=73328 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+5) 10/* Others */ > 1594019462 284481 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75337&oldid=75336 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+2) 10/* Others */ < 1594019543 151898 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594020231 557371 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75338&oldid=75337 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+457) 10 < 1594021225 912029 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1594022079 986170 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594022221 913934 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75339&oldid=68625 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+1470) 10/* List of candidates */ < 1594022333 463916 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594022824 943140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75340&oldid=75338 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+16) 10 < 1594023333 279490 :MDead!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594023514 157525 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594023520 24349 :MDead!~MDude@74.5.140.76 NICK :MDude < 1594023807 391559 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1594025004 229838 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UM814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75341&oldid=75264 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+362) 10add ISA > 1594027274 619969 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UM814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75342&oldid=75341 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (-2) 10formatting < 1594027566 562056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1594027569 423036 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:733) U+2205 [∅] NO LETTER O ALLOWED \ 1063) my emergency contacts list somehow has my father listed in both slots, in one of them as my daughter > 1594028646 494840 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75343 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+3503) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name= |paradigms=imperative |author=[[Heavpoot]] |year=[[:Category:2020|2020]] |memsys=[[:Category:Cell-based|Cell-based]] |dimensions=-dimensional (wit..." > 1594029320 717148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Heavpoot14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75344 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+45) 10Created page with "you're probably looking for [[User:Heavpoot]]" > 1594029498 676081 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Heavpoot14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75345 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+328) 10Created page with "[[User:Heavpoot]] is a humanoid entity which exists, and is corporeal, much like most members of this community. ==Languages made== * Various undocumented esolangs which will..." < 1594029719 959954 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.33.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1594029907 726334 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594029961 421685 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75346&oldid=75343 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+213) 10 > 1594029990 341155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Category:-dimensional languages14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75347 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+66) 10Created page with "Languages which have source code extending in infinite dimensions." > 1594030083 883797 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Category:-dimensional languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75348&oldid=75347 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+41) 10 > 1594030508 803449 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75349 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+25) 10Created page with "communism good - Heavpoot" > 1594031037 34476 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07UM814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75350&oldid=75342 5* 03LyricLy 5* (-1) 10 < 1594031560 394011 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594031707 771319 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1594031710 643346 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75351&oldid=74806 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+68) 10 < 1594031730 674316 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1594031756 713852 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Category:!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism! derivatives14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75352 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+88) 10Created page with "Languages closely related or inspired by [[!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!]]." < 1594032651 414347 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1594032748 658663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1594032750 138241 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:985) I hate telecom abbreviations I hate telecom abbreviations good morning all I hate telecom abbreviations. \ 1275) I couldn't help thinking that maybe if one considers the ramifications in full detail it will turn out that overthinking is often not helpful and therefore, not something to be proud of. < 1594033277 310505 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the language page is funny, but it could do without adding two completely useless categories. < 1594033291 370684 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is this < 1594033330 53566 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not a fan of creating a pointer to a user page into the main namespace. < 1594033341 494138 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/creating/placing/ > 1594033663 54890 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75353&oldid=75351 5* 03Int-e 5* (-68) 10Undo revision 75351 by [[Special:Contributions/Heavpoot|Heavpoot]] ([[User talk:Heavpoot|talk]]) -- new categories should be discussed on [[Esolang:Categorization]] < 1594033689 334549 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unfortunately deleting categories needs admin powers) > 1594033805 721182 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75354&oldid=75346 5* 03Int-e 5* (-34) 10fix categories (new categories should be discussed on [[Esolang:Categorization]] < 1594034049 628910 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm will ais523 notice if we mention him here? < 1594034178 95583 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who else is there, actually. oerjan's been missing. fizzie probably has the power, but he's usually working more on the server side on things. < 1594034280 738321 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, apparently. I wonder whether he even knows about that :) > 1594035416 699015 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Wimpmode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75355&oldid=13349 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10 > 1594035670 564148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75356&oldid=75354 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+61) 10 > 1594035805 321084 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C-Hex14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75357&oldid=75328 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-2) 10/* Errors */ Uni->I > 1594035868 530586 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Code is eso14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75358&oldid=75324 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-12) 10/* Syntax */ not all casesensitive langs need ALLCAPS > 1594036048 249352 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Baba is program14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75359&oldid=74388 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+17) 10nowiki::=pre > 1594036111 862786 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75360&oldid=75349 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+45) 10{{Selfbot}} < 1594036224 807152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm very unfamiliar with actually using the MediaWiki interface to do anything. > 1594036374 645088 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PureBrainz14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75361&oldid=75316 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+7) 10link > 1594036422 642725 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Paintfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75362&oldid=75321 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+19) 10]] > 1594036759 744458 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Cmt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75363&oldid=75307 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+112) 10/* Cat program until EOF */ > 1594036991 671085 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75364&oldid=66721 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+31) 10hdr fix > 1594037073 251387 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Looping counter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75365&oldid=62098 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+12) 10link & bold < 1594038193 862735 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1594039320 354030 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75366&oldid=75315 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+886) 10 > 1594039356 540673 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75367&oldid=75366 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+5) 10/* Commands */ > 1594039372 478103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75368&oldid=75367 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10/* Computation class */ < 1594039451 889360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594039470 137307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I noticed even without the ping; however, the ping made me come here to talk it through rather than just editing the wiki unilaterally < 1594039540 311628 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Well, IM(not so)HO there's no added value in those two added categories, so there's no reason to keep them. < 1594039568 795622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my plan is to delete the two newly added categories, and anything else can be sorted out without admin powers < 1594039597 636596 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you feel about https://esolangs.org/wiki/Heavpoot ? < 1594039614 630503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cross-namespace redirect, isn't it? < 1594039623 167889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :albeit written out in words rather than automated < 1594039648 115241 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't like it but I guess there's no actual policy against it.) > 1594039656 170940 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Category:-dimensional languages10]]": unapproved category (see [[Esolang:Policy]]) > 1594039672 117368 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Category:!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism! derivatives10]]": unapproved category (see [[Esolang:Policy]]) < 1594039695 501729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's in the wrong namespace < 1594039723 741014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have to be a page written about Heavpoot by someone else to be valid in the main namespace, and I'm not sure they're prolific enough for people to be likely to do that < 1594039749 237957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(compare https://esolangs.org/wiki/ais523 with https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:ais523) < 1594039776 247021 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might as well just delete it (it's what I'd do) > 1594039805 242692 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75369&oldid=75356 5* 03Int-e 5* (+14) 10link directly to user page > 1594039852 45568 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Heavpoot10]]": cross-namespace (soft) redirect > 1594040117 993549 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75370&oldid=75369 5* 03Ais523 5* (-9) 10unpipe cross-namespace link > 1594042207 727871 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75371&oldid=75368 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2064) 10 > 1594042221 397988 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75372&oldid=75371 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+5) 10/* Commands */ > 1594042243 250805 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75373&oldid=75372 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+15) 10/* Commands */ > 1594042252 28489 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75374&oldid=75373 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+5) 10/* Commands */ > 1594042282 340785 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75375&oldid=75374 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+15) 10/* Level 4 */ > 1594042294 419926 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75376&oldid=75375 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+20) 10/* Commands */ > 1594043464 10170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75377&oldid=69793 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+12) 10link + wip > 1594044156 288523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75378&oldid=75370 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (-32) 10 < 1594045360 945452 :brj!~hogfather@123.201.165.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1594045502 254367 :brj!~hogfather@123.201.105.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594046258 248785 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1594047042 16141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Anti-Array14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75379&oldid=73402 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+63) 10cats misc > 1594047093 896382 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pendulum Instruction Set Architecture14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75380&oldid=68886 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10/* Example */ link < 1594047094 438976 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1594047225 46458 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75381&oldid=75376 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+116) 10/* Level 3 */ comp class > 1594047291 770747 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75382&oldid=75381 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+114) 10/* Computational class */ > 1594047433 660436 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75383&oldid=75382 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+18) 10/* Level 3 */ > 1594048015 849241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75384&oldid=75383 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+770) 10add level 6 > 1594048039 39808 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75385&oldid=75384 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+11) 10/* Commands */ > 1594048829 376598 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75386&oldid=75385 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+703) 10/* Computational class */ > 1594048874 578815 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75387&oldid=75386 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10 < 1594048957 35032 :TellsTogo!b2751b2c@178-117-27-44.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric > 1594049082 215741 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75388&oldid=75387 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-5578) 10Blanked the page > 1594049091 743135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75389 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+5597) 10add {} > 1594049150 130441 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75390&oldid=75273 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+16) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ + [[|{}]] > 1594049226 843421 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75391&oldid=75275 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+115) 10/* Languages */ > 1594049417 89487 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75392&oldid=72997 5* 03B jonas 5* (-236) 10That statement about ayacc has been false for years now. > 1594049482 366774 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CASM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75393&oldid=46649 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+102) 10cats < 1594049504 992465 :TellsTogo!b2751b2c@178-117-27-44.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1594049678 467844 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.33.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I make a hexagon with sides made by stacking 10k usual hexagons each, then the error of connecting the first edge to the last is 8.19597e-8, quite large and quite small at the same time < 1594049698 68721 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.33.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is with simple algorithms and using double precision < 1594049758 54769 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.33.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :this hexagon construction is the simplest test I could think of > 1594049799 253266 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Antonio Maschio14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75394&oldid=43584 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10way back < 1594049841 35898 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.33.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, they are also randomly rotated, so the error may change a bit from run to run. If I would just translate them, the error would be of course smaller, but it wouldn’t be as useful to illustrate what would happen with real tesselations > 1594049954 192627 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Cmt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75395&oldid=75363 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+157) 10/* Cat program until EOF */ > 1594049966 962302 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Cmt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75396&oldid=75395 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+18) 10/* Hello World! */ outputTt > 1594051066 670953 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Hakerh400 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Yume - unsolved puzzle.png10]]": Yume - example of an unsolved puzzle. < 1594051133 291141 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why aren't those files linked? < 1594051665 698063 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-89.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1594051707 114560 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.33.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hi < 1594051730 631601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1594051758 484353 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.33.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :double precision is both better and worse than I thought < 1594051841 449777 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in comparisson to single precision? < 1594051876 985028 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.33.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I hadn’t tried to calculate that thing in it but it should be definitely bad > 1594051903 654895 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Hakerh400 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Yume - solved puzzle.png10]]": Yume - an example of a solved puzzle. < 1594052069 785312 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, compared to what he tought < 1594052243 245381 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.33.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to find a way to make points’ coordinates more accurate when new tiles glue to the old ones but I don’t see anything worthy. In the big hexagon case above, there would be only one interesting gluing at the very end, and even in this case I’m not sure I understand how to proceed. We could re-glue the last hexagon to the first, which definitely would be better, but then should we to continue with the same for another hexagons, < 1594052243 388753 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.33.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :when do we stop?.. and do we just replace old points with new ones or make some arithmetic with both to equalize something? I’ve no idea < 1594052323 717734 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.33.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :when more than two tiles neighbor each other, the matter is even foggier > 1594052397 673865 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh400/Yume14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75399 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+1326) 10game > 1594052409 585744 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75400&oldid=74629 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+31) 10/* Games */ < 1594052459 445655 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.33.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :though 1e-8 is a pretty good accuracy and maybe no one wishes to generate tiling chunks of more than a thousand tiles < 1594052853 882237 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.33.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this is a pretty extreme error margin, as mostly people are interested in chunks without holes in them, either growing them by subdivision or carefully adding tiles at the border < 1594052893 74093 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594052910 568293 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.33.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :this example shows that holes do matter, though, howewer little it may be for 10k tiles as circumference < 1594052924 856694 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.33.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :60k* > 1594053401 40054 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75401&oldid=69471 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+19) 10 > 1594053409 115842 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75402&oldid=75401 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+12) 10 > 1594053574 618649 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Cmt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75403&oldid=75396 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+144) 10/* Syntax */ > 1594053861 998071 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Gummy Bear14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75404&oldid=71416 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+36) 10unpipe + link + catts < 1594055114 430832 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1594055219 760208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75405&oldid=66942 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+71) 10 < 1594056104 912637 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594058551 991397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1594059110 860137 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1594059557 992937 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1594059678 442554 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:aded:6271:96ec:d42 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594059907 438898 :tromp__!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:4011:93ab:c2ac:92c0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1594062063 963422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1206 < 1594062065 555382 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1206: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas > 1594063237 609925 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Code is eso14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75406&oldid=75358 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+18) 10true < 1594063322 307387 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1594066675 258448 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas, how can I split noun definition across lines < 1594066689 238860 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I want to define for example `table =. 1 3 5' < 1594066693 109778 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I want to continue it on the next line < 1594066697 443851 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`9 10 16' < 1594066698 270413 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :9? No such file or directory < 1594067164 369048 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594067419 679996 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594069159 258875 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: it might be better to ask that on #jsoftware > 1594069481 35541 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75407&oldid=75405 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+68) 10bold++cats+ < 1594069915 435061 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594070091 961230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BitFlip14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75408&oldid=8618 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+109) 10cats&tag > 1594071286 497904 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Caenbe 5* 10New user account > 1594072020 491210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rubic14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75409 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+5479) 10Created a page on an esolang I made this afternoon > 1594072119 177721 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75410&oldid=75390 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+12) 10/* R */ Added a new language > 1594072153 627994 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75411&oldid=75131 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+204) 10 > 1594072205 646233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Digital Hunter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75412&oldid=74507 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+68) 10/* About me */ > 1594072549 122326 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75413&oldid=73652 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+128) 10/* Surtic */ > 1594072661 454444 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75414&oldid=75413 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+170) 10/* Rubic */ Added hello world in Rubic > 1594072680 782466 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75415&oldid=75414 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+2) 10/* Rubic */ oops > 1594072874 130220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Synced14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75416 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+3728) 10Initial Version of esolang > 1594072960 782405 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Rubic14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75417 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+159) 10Created page with "Feel free to leave questions here if anything is ambiguous. ~~~~" > 1594072986 79095 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75418&oldid=74622 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+185) 10Add more links and info > 1594073028 181229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75419&oldid=75410 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+13) 10Add Synced > 1594073069 348724 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75420&oldid=75419 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+17) 10Add Transposed > 1594074177 757609 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Q 1.014]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75421 5* 03Emerald 5* (+161) 10Q project < 1594074178 985510 :brj!~hogfather@123.201.105.19 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1594074206 36321 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1594074209 278520 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1594074214 557847 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Q 1.014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75422&oldid=75421 5* 03Emerald 5* (-4) 10Unlink > 1594074263 220046 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Q 1.014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75423&oldid=75422 5* 03Emerald 5* (+13) 10 < 1594074278 612520 :brj!~hogfather@123.201.163.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594074445 18180 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.33.72.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1594074838 440713 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594074937 924327 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1594075007 617520 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1594075415 593247 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75424&oldid=75340 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (-5) 10/* text2pxem.pl */ < 1594075663 907946 :catern!~catern@catern.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1594075679 541010 :catern!~catern@catern.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1594076688 57906 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594077242 509937 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594078268 832520 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what is the largest number of spice girls there were at the same time? < 1594078269 49702 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: they are hiragana. so my solution always ends up with about 20 different fnord in your proof > 1594078758 629860 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Q 1.014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75425&oldid=75423 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+72) 10Cats bike temps > 1594078772 596822 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Q 1.014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75426&oldid=75425 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10Add typo > 1594078819 907315 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Synced14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75427&oldid=75416 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* Fibonacci Sequence */ link > 1594078878 331948 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pxem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75428&oldid=75424 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+30) 10/* References */ cat > 1594079021 743681 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Number Seventy-Four14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75429 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+219) 10Will add LaTeR > 1594079727 107620 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07P14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75430&oldid=75282 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+23) 10P'' is related to bf, each article references the other > 1594080849 342050 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Affine Mess14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75431 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+1147) 10Created the page < 1594081320 821958 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1594085605 224457 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594085789 425597 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1594085854 947079 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1594086226 895422 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, Heavpoot undid all changes to the !lyricly☭demote☭establish☭communism! page? > 1594086443 110517 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75432&oldid=75378 5* 03Int-e 5* (+32) 10Undo revision 75378 by [[Special:Contributions/Heavpoot|Heavpoot]] ([[User talk:Heavpoot|talk]]) -- reinstate cosmetic edits and category updates. Please respect the community! > 1594087065 465129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Synced14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75433&oldid=75427 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (-240) 10Update comp class < 1594087478 608229 :MDead!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594087540 848257 :atslash!~atslash@46.188.0.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594087540 848318 :atslash!~atslash@46.188.0.82 QUIT :Client Quit < 1594087645 931363 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1594087653 630863 :MDead!~MDude@74.5.140.76 NICK :MDude < 1594087659 475951 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Client Quit < 1594087747 499504 :atslash!~atslash@46.188.0.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594088034 490351 :atslash!~atslash@46.188.0.82 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1594089837 610146 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Affine Mess14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75434&oldid=75431 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+0) 10Small typo. r-z is 9 bits. > 1594090296 391664 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Synced14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75435&oldid=75433 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (-6) 10Whoops, wrong comp class > 1594090394 264102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Synced14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75436&oldid=75435 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+8) 10Clarify memsys > 1594091691 260590 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Bangyen 5* 10New user account > 1594091816 637368 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75437 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+1683) 10First version > 1594091891 777024 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75438&oldid=75418 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+82) 10Add link to ideas page > 1594092108 302103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75439&oldid=75411 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+196) 10/* Introductions */ < 1594092190 942170 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1594092233 968617 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594092291 166206 :hakatashi3!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594092404 931492 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594092449 599773 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594092456 792185 :diginet_!~diginet@107.170.146.29 NICK :diginet < 1594092458 886471 :hakatashi2!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1594092514 743059 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1594095663 729307 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Q 1.014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75440&oldid=75426 5* 03Emerald 5* (+49) 10New sever > 1594096327 861727 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Factor14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75441 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+2792) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Factor |paradigms=Imperative |author=Bangyen Pham |year=[[:Category:2020|2020]] |memsys=[[:Category:Cell-based|Cell-based]] |dimensions=One-dimensiona..." > 1594096362 913762 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75442&oldid=75441 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-1) 10 > 1594096538 824391 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75443&oldid=75442 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-1) 10 > 1594096692 910818 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75444&oldid=72054 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+14) 10/* Mathematics */ > 1594097262 168772 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75445 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+108) 10Created page with "'''Bangyen Pham''' is the creator of [[Factor]]. ==External Resources== [https://github.com/bangyen Github]" > 1594097333 477534 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Q 1.014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75446&oldid=75440 5* 03Emerald 5* (+31) 10 > 1594097598 265222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75447&oldid=75443 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+221) 10 < 1594098469 982655 :brj!~hogfather@123.201.163.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1594098610 33706 :brj!~hogfather@123.201.163.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594099004 948557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I get POLLIN revents on fd 0, and read still blocks. Exciting. < 1594099100 343616 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:986b:bd92:f82:a7f8 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh... ahhh... ACHI/O < 1594099381 424319 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use select() if you need to, I suppose < 1594099713 922117 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@178.214.255.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594099721 429694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm using poll which does the same thing. < 1594099753 379048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's reporting that there's something to read on fd 0, but then read blocks. < 1594099754 454001 :brj!~hogfather@123.201.163.126 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594099897 783745 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might only work properly in noncanonical mode; I remember once doing something with that, and I think that is what I did to make it work. < 1594100073 938882 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there must be some way to do it, but unfortunately I don't know exactly what way it is. < 1594100089 797112 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But if nothing else works, then I suppose you can use a pipe.) < 1594100756 682965 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try noncanonical mode to see if that works? < 1594100853 373018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't. < 1594100874 68756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of what's going on is that I'm running a child process and that process is being stopped. < 1594100889 194376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'd have to detect that and switch modes back and forth, I suppose. < 1594100896 711567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just not worry about it. < 1594100993 789314 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the child process being stopped is what is doing something with it? < 1594101015 972266 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know exactly what you are doing, anyways < 1594101040 449615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not exactly sure what this program is but I suppose it's a sort of debugger. < 1594101636 874403 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The man page for epoll suggests that it should be possible with a terminal in canonical mode to read/write until EAGAIN. < 1594101660 194645 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there is a bug in the system? I don't know. < 1594101742 749421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, maybe I just need to use canonical mode. < 1594101765 93749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't notice that bit. < 1594104974 175391 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594105670 464817 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594108074 912015 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1594108941 745263 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ASCII art14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75448&oldid=74891 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+96) 10 > 1594109136 80144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75449&oldid=75447 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-13) 10 < 1594110304 978296 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1594110620 466953 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Techno14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75450 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+2167) 10A sort of DIY OISC. > 1594110669 274832 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Keymaker14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75451&oldid=70459 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+69) 10Added Techno. > 1594110745 786347 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Emblia14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75452&oldid=73332 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+19) 10Category < 1594111574 594119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh, I think I see what was going on. < 1594111717 336536 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-89.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unix terminal job control? < 1594111779 792191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1594111784 804287 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-89.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1594111788 147109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's SIGTTIN. < 1594113299 921613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty confusilated by how all this works. < 1594113704 125761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do understand why it was behaving differently under strace, at least. > 1594113833 341527 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75453&oldid=75449 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+1) 10 < 1594113925 992220 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1594113985 874360 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594114775 141515 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, how does one finde the requisite data for the bonus challenge at http://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/ponderthis/challenges/July2020.html > 1594114971 273617 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Emblia14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75454&oldid=75452 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+1075) 10Translating into Natyre. > 1594115106 208950 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Natyre14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75455&oldid=53028 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+19) 10OISC category. < 1594115839 204679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: They took a lot creative liberty with the Hebrew spellings, so probably you just make something up. < 1594115894 150982 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The bonus question asks for a real alphabet. < 1594115932 953589 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the challenge itself, yes, you can make the alphabet up completely. < 1594115986 96862 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"real" includes conlangs and fictional languages, but presumably not ones that were invented this month ;) < 1594115994 472394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but I mean that even with a "real" alphabet they chose spellings kind of arbitrarily. < 1594116034 810080 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they allowed that it would make the bonus question pointless. < 1594116049 950506 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1594116058 349996 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just submit the "Hebrew" spelling that they used as an example. < 1594116127 906602 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1594116363 316977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1594116367 652779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The example satisfies their constraint. < 1594116371 73776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, never mind. < 1594116607 701726 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594116696 700860 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594116987 965010 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-144-11-14.range86-144.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1594117227 280940 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594118113 188438 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594118164 713756 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1594118193 170314 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1594118789 940362 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594118815 161303 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1594118927 16891 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" int-e: They took a lot creative liberty with the Hebrew spellings, so probably you just make something up." => it doesn't look like that to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_alphabet#Alphabet_2 indicates that they are all normal spellings, in particular pe is spelled out with either an alif or a he. < 1594118960 609681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They put vowels in some of the letters and not others, seemingly arbitrarily. < 1594118973 848865 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they put vowels for long vowels like hebrew usually does < 1594119011 852818 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly letter names in many alphabets often have multiple spellings because people mostly use them in speech < 1594119041 419748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes it be "LMD" and "TAV"? < 1594119088 832364 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shcahaf: oh, the TAV might be cheating, I didn't pay attention to that < 1594119091 943463 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you're right, sorry < 1594119108 991336 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so is the VAV < 1594119126 510441 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, you're absolutely right, that is cheating unless it's just a typo and the correct spellings give the right sequence < 1594119140 814382 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do say "(Here some of the letters are spelled somewhat irregularly.)" < 1594119154 722805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the point is that they're cheating. < 1594119200 25882 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :different topic: < 1594119212 801570 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ron Graham, mathematician and juggler, author of Concrete Mathematics, has passed away on 2020-07-06. Rest in peace. < 1594119248 623414 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mathematician and juggler" < 1594119273 550694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the book that looks like it's made out of concrete, right? < 1594119273 550754 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, those are the two things he was famous for < 1594119302 434414 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, you're thinking of doorstopper fantasy series < 1594119325 282645 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would link the relevant article from TvTropes but I'd rather not during work time < 1594119326 48264 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@178.214.255.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graham :( < 1594119389 831966 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@178.214.255.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: Conc. Math in some editions has a Σ etched in concrete at its cover :) < 1594119393 887908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concrete Mathematics and generatingfunctionology are two coursebooks I remember the covers of. < 1594119431 942975 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: hmm. let me look up, I think I've only seen one old English edition < 1594119438 10056 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once, long ago < 1594119447 663115 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen a recent edition in original English < 1594119472 351594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://amazon.co.uk/Concrete-Mathematics-Foundation-Computer-Science/dp/0201558025/ has the cover I remember. < 1594119487 550017 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it does look like a Sigma etched into some rough surface < 1594119523 18274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, generatingfunctionology I probably just remember because of the all-lowercase spelling of the funny name. < 1594120203 529961 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.omniglot.com/writing/alphabets.htm is the best source I have so far, and it's not consistent enough to be convenient. < 1594120314 527122 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And many languages are useless. In german, the letters officially stand for themselves, so the game is the identity transformation. < 1594120316 720574 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: again, that's because spelling out the names of letters is usually not standardized. I remember a discussion on whether the greek letter xi should be spelled "xí" or "kszí" in Hungarian. < 1594120327 913244 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh sure. < 1594120346 396452 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some notable exceptions like greek. < 1594120349 601130 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should try one of the many telephone alphabets instead < 1594120366 935958 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of those < 1594120396 159889 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh. why did I dismiss that idea... < 1594120410 118445 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_alphabet lists a ton of radio/telephone alphabets just for English < 1594120604 124110 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also like three telephone alphabets for Hungarian, with mostly given names as the letter names, but lots of variants because some of the less common letters really don't have good given names to work with < 1594120611 778759 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're unlikely to work, but at least they're easy to find. < 1594120756 367089 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell there are a lot of variants because I telephone-spell out my last name differently from my parents, despite that the spelling is the same < 1594121161 621588 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question states the alphabet can be invented, so the spellings don't have to be real < 1594121211 634552 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I missed that you were talking about the bonus question < 1594121712 343357 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594121766 498127 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-144-11-14.range86-144.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1594121781 857051 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-144-11-14.range86-144.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1594121848 19127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Synced14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75456&oldid=75436 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-12) 10cat > 1594122011 424103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Factor14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75457&oldid=75453 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+45) 10langs + rm unusable < 1594122037 450552 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-144-11-14.range86-144.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1594122052 502323 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-144-11-14.range86-144.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1594122079 943637 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Natyre14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75458&oldid=75455 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10link + pipe > 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:impomatic!~impomatic@host86-144-11-14.range86-144.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1594136137 468553 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-144-11-14.range86-144.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1594136156 313244 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-144-11-14.range86-144.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1594136446 845232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75477&oldid=74470 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+0) 10 > 1594136500 268619 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Emerald 5* 10moved [[02Q 1.010]] to [[Qu 1.0]]: Too similar to others < 1594136551 188135 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@178.214.255.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: b_jonas: int-e: on "xí" and "kszí". Oh :D but surely there is a set of variants deemed far righter than other alternatives? Like in Russian you can call β “бета” (the most used in edited literature), with a lot of reluctance “бэта” (that would be more phonetic if the alphabet would always be used as a phonetic one), but “бэтта” would be a clear sign of incompetence. On the other hand, for λ one has literary “ < 1594136551 188200 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@178.214.255.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :лямбда” and “ламбда” (the second would be marked for me, I’ve seen it far less; one example is a translation of Barendregt’s λ-calculus monograph) and maybe even “ламда” (all three have their own merit etymologically) and I don’t remember its name being written in a silly way compared to β. Also as may be expected many letters’ names leave no room for accidental misspellings, like π > 1594137608 180244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks/Nonexistent Page14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75480 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+1183) 10Created page with "This page does not exist yet. You can create it via typing in the box below (see the [[Esolang:Help|help page]] for more information). (If you don't want to create the page, j..." > 1594137745 588019 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StackStacks14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75481&oldid=51991 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10/* Turing completeness */ > 1594137814 103490 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Computational class14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75482&oldid=71785 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+16) 10/* Turing-completeness */ unread > 1594137849 601566 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks/Tpltest14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75483 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+26) 10Created page with "{{:User:Osmarks/Tpltest2}}" > 1594137858 862510 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks/Tpltest214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75484 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+24) 10Created page with "{{:User:Osmarks/Tpltest}" > 1594137862 164682 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07((?)?)?14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75485&oldid=74212 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* Memory Structure 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:Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one? < 1594142443 941005 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594142453 583325 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. > 1594142619 692338 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75496&oldid=75495 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+192) 10Add examples < 1594142653 983850 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1594142773 724577 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75497&oldid=75496 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+132) 10Clarification > 1594142924 32060 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75498&oldid=75494 5* 03Emerald 5* (-180) 10/* Ideas */ > 1594143028 926356 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald/ideas14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75499 5* 03Emerald 5* (+108) 10Created page with "* [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-HVO6dL1yBiRLJp3_7SecD4zjP0ihx0jFGDl2yUTKx4/edit|this] as an Esolang." < 1594143030 15329 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1594143074 154510 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1594143113 283683 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1594143252 478608 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:986b:bd92:f82:a7f8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1594143446 964214 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1594143559 830340 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75500&oldid=75497 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+0) 10/* Hello World */ < 1594143990 524106 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:5d7e:5b76:8e90:861a JOIN :#esoteric > 1594144805 669952 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75501&oldid=75500 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* 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that really early > 1594146262 80484 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75506&oldid=75505 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+0) 10 > 1594147213 62677 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald/ideas14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75507&oldid=75499 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10fix link > 1594147457 496632 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Etcha14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75508&oldid=74749 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+137) 10/* Instructions */ wikitablify > 1594147480 65077 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Etcha14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75509&oldid=75508 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+3) 10/* Instructions */ > 1594147557 600044 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75510&oldid=75506 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+248) 10 > 1594148024 713137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75511&oldid=75335 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+78) 10 < 1594148616 498605 :Camto[m]!camtomatri@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ceuqxwwiaqmvedgr JOIN :#esoteric > 1594149738 497228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75512&oldid=75511 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+1) 10 < 1594149874 812258 :Camto[m]!camtomatri@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ceuqxwwiaqmvedgr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow if that's not a page banner < 1594150190 649789 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594150835 112364 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1594151509 614677 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75513&oldid=75501 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+209) 10Update Syntax > 1594151826 703417 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75514&oldid=75513 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+541) 10Update < 1594152808 920499 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-162.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric > 1594152840 714893 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald/E Awards14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75515 5* 03Emerald 5* (+614) 10EA GAMES > 1594152939 133575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75516&oldid=75498 5* 03Emerald 5* (+41) 10/* Ideas */ < 1594152957 937544 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-5-173-30-93.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1594152985 814495 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-5-173-30-93.play-internet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594152993 900421 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-5-173-30-93.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1594153059 126596 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I added a command in TeXnicard to import pictures into the card database. Hopefully, someone who is able to help can help with making rendering templates for Magic: the Gathering and/or whatever other card games you might do; I think the software is enough to start doing such thing at least, even if it is not yet completed. < 1594153105 525357 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-5-173-30-93.play-internet.pl QUIT :Client Quit < 1594153703 152345 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@178.214.255.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask rain1 do you know how could one take a square root of a cyclotomic x ∈ Q_n, finding the result in some Q_{kn}? Can’t find anything more than formulas for x ∈ Z < 1594153703 152398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1594153940 711415 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-162.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yeah, I think "lamda" vs "lambda" even came up some time earlier on #esoteric < 1594154170 621270 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@178.214.255.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1594154173 263728 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is still up for grabs. < 1594154358 477251 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-162.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I don't know which one is more correct, because I don't know any definitive authority for this, plus authorities can differ. "kszí" is used a lot for xi, but I prefer "xí" because the first letter of the name is obviously the same as the name itself and that one is usually transcribed as "x". similarly I prefer "zéta" over "dzéta". this doesn't solve "lambda" vs "lamda", there I don't know < 1594154364 455559 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-162.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough details about the etymology to determine which one is better. < 1594154409 521134 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-162.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the can also differ between whether you're talking about the letter as used in ancient greek, the letter as used in modern greek, or the letter as used for technical symbols such as in mathematical formulas or names of nearby stars < 1594154412 60104 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always take it as lambda (maybe because of my native language, who knows) until i saw ramda.js which i always write wrong < 1594154490 908941 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@178.214.255.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the can also differ between whether you're talking about the letter as used in ancient greek, the letter as used in modern greek, or the letter as used for technical symbols such as in mathematical formulas or names of nearby stars => yeah > 1594154733 640453 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Your Time Is Up14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75517 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2187) 10Created page with "'''Your Time Is Up''' is a [[string]]-[[rewriting]] esolang by [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]]. ==Syntax and Semantics== Programs in Your Time Is Up are in binary, composed e..." > 1594154783 203491 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75518&oldid=75464 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+22) 10/* Y */ +[[Your Time Is Up]] > 1594154835 55014 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75519&oldid=75465 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+91) 10/* Languages 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02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75526&oldid=75525 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (-375) 10Make smaller > 1594160358 658808 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75527&oldid=75526 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (-4) 10Whoops > 1594160814 375321 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Techno14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75528&oldid=75470 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+148) 10 > 1594161137 578104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Techno14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75529&oldid=75459 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+97) 10Link alternative proof. < 1594161319 986885 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594161358 17130 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1594161480 104571 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594161480 248984 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1594162069 625695 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zjxjetwmbszzndkt QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1594162117 800518 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-blxfndqdrhjkfhvb QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1594162247 644158 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594162253 151003 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rzxnpfmtqvtcwttz QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594162267 646515 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-haoytypwlfenekuc QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594162278 724326 :mich181189!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aswtawzntvivbhfa QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1594162292 831154 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ritwjcqyonktquns QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1594162317 799336 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ypvfmjpqkewpjewe QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1594162354 695736 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xdvimhkhlzgvvxtf QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1594163546 537511 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Thue14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75530&oldid=73284 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10The link < 1594163618 604036 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1594165457 778107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Edition14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75531&oldid=68252 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+104) 10Cats and ore and hold > 1594165520 919023 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Edition14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75532&oldid=75531 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-6) 10Rm nl > 1594165534 564339 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Edition14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75533&oldid=75532 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-1) 10More > 1594165630 919755 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75534&oldid=75518 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+14) 10/* E */ add As Lang > 1594165720 644251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Site support14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75535&oldid=22645 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+16) 10Link > 1594165736 322799 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Site support14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75536&oldid=75535 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10S > 1594165779 632897 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang Playground14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75537&oldid=72178 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10Count < 1594167192 135117 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-144-11-14.range86-144.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1594168117 885886 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* 10New user account > 1594168278 781862 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Circlefuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75538&oldid=34628 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+155) 10 > 1594168448 317224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75539&oldid=75502 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+174) 10 > 1594168752 860771 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Affine Mess14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75540&oldid=75460 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+2353) 10Add interpreter; changed cat to reflect this > 1594168946 97018 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Affine Mess14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75541&oldid=75540 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* Interpreter */ link > 1594168985 344312 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Circlefuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75542&oldid=75538 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10Link > 1594169018 382524 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Noisett14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75543&oldid=43389 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10Link > 1594169128 840826 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Affine Mess14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75544&oldid=75541 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+605) 10Added examples > 1594169202 245179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75545&oldid=75491 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10 > 1594169257 646115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75546&oldid=75534 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+18) 10Added Affine Mess > 1594172431 105399 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75547&oldid=75546 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+13) 10/* F */ > 1594173028 396049 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75548&oldid=75445 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+257) 10 < 1594176740 222431 :catern!~catern@catern.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1594176851 999566 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594176886 933726 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do I find a cuneiform expert online at this hour? < 1594176917 646736 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? But I suppose you could try writing and see if anyone responds later. < 1594176922 649148 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"𒉏𒁹𒄑𒁁 𒂷𒁹𒌑 𒍴𒐕𒍦 𒀭𒉡 𒄢𒍵 𒉣𒁺𒌋 𒐕𒆐𒈨 𒎗𒍝𒌋 𒄿𒅕𒑙 𒄥" < 1594176941 399197 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 𒉏𒁹𒄑𒁁 < 1594176943 158176 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1224F CUNEIFORM SIGN NIM] [U+12079 CUNEIFORM SIGN DISH] [U+12111 CUNEIFORM SIGN GISH] [U+12041 CUNEIFORM SIGN BAD] < 1594176964 223878 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( BAD SIGN ) < 1594176972 670154 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how it sounds, it took me a week to transcribe it < 1594177006 338747 :catern!~catern@catern.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1594178464 328482 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I don't actually see the symbols in my terminal. (But I also have no clue what they are.) < 1594178529 51903 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to paste image on irc...? < 1594178565 18119 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.studenthandouts.com/00/200002/babylonian-cuneiform-capstone.jpg < 1594178668 624999 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this is probably the stupidest translation job, because it's allegedly already translated < 1594178834 646838 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading something about that, seem to remember it being not that old < 1594178851 271306 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's from 1980 < 1594178868 943756 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones < 1594178930 522330 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably best is a URL to link (like you have), although I have also seen magnet: URLs (which, if they don't specify how to download them, aren't very useful unless you already have it), and data: URIs (which are too long). < 1594178935 703845 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot my russian numbers. 100, 1000, 1000000, all gone. < 1594179045 472279 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But where does the cuneiform come from in that case? < 1594179061 554555 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I see it in the image < 1594179130 652251 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an odd one. < 1594179218 470141 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*checks* almost 4.5 billion people at the time < 1594179231 576861 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wtf is that 500M number? < 1594179242 639098 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the work of the devil < 1594179326 24575 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the "10 evil commandments" are written in 8 living languages, which have probably been read by someone in their native language < 1594179350 553834 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a shorter phrase written on the top in 4 dead languages, which is what I'm interested in < 1594179384 895669 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like does it really say the phrase as the English that is offered up? or does it have some evil nuance? < 1594179502 397810 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://worldeventsandthebible.com/documentary/mystery-of-georgia-guidestones seems to suggest "Let These Be Guidestones To Reason" < 1594179549 722139 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I quackquackwent "Georgia Guidestones" "babylonian") < 1594179559 349043 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones#Explanatory_tablet <-- also stated here < 1594179618 442046 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arcorann: Ah. Reading is hard :) < 1594179690 242996 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And skimming is harder... "Around the edges of the square are written translations to" is too convoluted for me to be parsed instantly.) < 1594179716 873040 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=el&tl=en&text=%CE%91%CF%85%CF%84%CE%AD%CF%82%20%CE%BF%CE%AF%20%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B8%CE%BF%CE%B9%20%CF%84%CE%B7%CE%BD%20%CE%BF%CE%B4%CF%8C%CE%BD%0A%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%BD%CF%85%CE%BD%CF%84%CF%89%CE%BD%20%CE%B1%CE%B9%CF%89%CE%BD%CE%B9%20%CF%83%CF%89%CF%86%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%83%CF%85%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%82 < 1594179718 962 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are ten different things, I think. The third one isn't so good; people can speak whatever language they like to do. < 1594179719 324308 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the "to" very subtle :) < 1594179747 642677 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arcorann: thanks! < 1594179781 364122 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the ancient greek is supposed to be "Ancient" but if you put it in a modern greek translater, you get that < 1594179790 957767 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These stones the way, Indicators of eternal wisdom" < 1594179804 189510 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maintaining 500M population sounds great, but there's no peaceful way to get there. < 1594179823 957499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: That does sounds like a plausible translation. < 1594179838 667852 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :indicator <--> guide... < 1594179842 223750 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough. < 1594179857 614230 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Well, don't have human children and then they will hopefully be reduced a bit. < 1594179897 879518 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sounds good until you realize it has to be a world-wide effort to have a meaningful effect. < 1594179921 138548 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, China kind of tried, and are now abandoning the attempt. < 1594180085 47659 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, let me go for a walk before it gets warm outside. (Oh, I might actually need more than just a t-shirt. Nice.) < 1594180088 53269 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1594180088 344375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 080320Z AUTO VRB01KT 9999 NCD 10/08 Q1020 < 1594180680 749584 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Further down it's suggested that the stones were intended for people rebuilding after the collapse of civliisation, implying that the human population would be already under 500 million < 1594180803 863511 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tenth item is good, I think. But regardless of what is your opinions of any of this stuff, I think to have free speech to write what they like to write. Different people have different opinions of it, which is good. < 1594180884 433351 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except, they repeat themself) < 1594180977 66418 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arcorann: Yes, that is a possibility, too. The lack of dates for the time capsule suggests they may have intended to put it later due to such thing, maybe, or maybe that is unrelated < 1594181047 47863 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I don't see the ancient languages writing on Wikipedia, just it mentions what languages it is. < 1594181157 962056 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ikr < 1594181165 299698 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a puzzle < 1594181200 378845 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose so. < 1594181213 527823 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't started on the Egyptian Hyroglyphics < 1594181240 359320 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think I got the first part, "𓋴𓌫𓅓𓂻 𓇒𓐒" < 1594181305 803302 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the hyroglyphics translators are of the transliteration variety < 1594183223 566829 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ऽरमानॊदिरााम दिरातॖयॖगायमत" > 1594183965 222467 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Factor14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75549 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+1829) 10zero-dimensional polyglots < 1594183978 167498 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1594184568 96345 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75550&oldid=75457 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+909) 10 < 1594185139 21647 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-162.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594186450 126524 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594187186 527905 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594188340 735960 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75551&oldid=75550 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+71) 10clarify residue is not a character but a value. I hope 0 and 9 aren't reserved, but they seem ignored too > 1594188512 861850 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfoctal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75552&oldid=58551 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+77) 10categories > 1594189015 84430 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfoctal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75553&oldid=75552 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+284) 10/* Polyglots */ Clearly I have been waiting two years to write a Gdel polyglot... < 1594189778 197225 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1594195288 951397 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594195336 342301 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1594196432 108197 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594199890 902590 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-152.host.pobb.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594202033 309247 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594202044 938997 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1594204608 494711 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594204658 195158 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594204784 977722 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1594204785 124550 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1594205277 799525 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Javagony Turing-completeness proof14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75554&oldid=74945 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+260) 10 < 1594205576 280217 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-152.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell arseniiv Maybe instead of implementing Generalized Minksy Machine in Tandem, there could just be Generalized Tandem? Associate each of the individual rewrite rules with a constructor like GMM associates each MM instruction with a constructor? < 1594205576 280272 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1594205640 916557 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-152.host.pobb.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1594206169 947688 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@178.214.255.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594206435 983727 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@178.214.255.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot what’s your take on the generalized zeta functions? < 1594206436 202522 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: have you ever seen this strange list-of-strings behavior in their emacs? that makes no sense < 1594207141 667360 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Do you know if IntSat (the CDCL ILP algorithm) is good in practice? < 1594207145 94000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about ILP. < 1594207213 381799 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1594207315 455004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed you were related due to having the same first name. < 1594207350 223033 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :har dee har < 1594207379 296988 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like munching on grass? Because of Schaf, you may remember... < 1594207833 904869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1594207846 855521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That word does highlight my IRC client. < 1594207849 254860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I must. < 1594207877 126936 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594207967 311447 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594208675 51351 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@178.214.255.138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee > 1594209458 647374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unary14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75555&oldid=69430 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+53) 10/* Links */ cats < 1594210843 460659 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1594211123 440832 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lenguage14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75556&oldid=60166 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+101) 10cats + hdr + links > 1594211139 498795 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unary14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75557&oldid=75555 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* Links */ cat < 1594212743 481129 :sparr!~sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1594213220 590863 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594213325 943022 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-152.host.pobb.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1594213613 594887 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Cmt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75558&oldid=75403 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+280) 10/* Syntax */ < 1594213886 434895 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594214359 445033 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594215040 887031 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75559&oldid=75545 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+203) 10 < 1594215919 974701 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594215924 774984 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594216082 460860 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:5d7e:5b76:8e90:861a QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1594216818 645707 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to write a 15-byte truth machine for UM8 < 1594216822 808400 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`562264926212D2A' < 1594216825 162441 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :562264926212D2A'? No such file or directory < 1594216874 572526 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 IN C / 6 SWP A,C / 2 SWP A,B / 2 SWP A,B / 6 SWP A, C / 4 OUT C / 92 MOV A,2 / 6 SWP A,C / 2 SWP A,B / 1 A=B IF C / 2 SWP A, B / D SHL A, 1 / 2 SWP A, B / A MOV [IP=C], B < 1594216884 735407 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best viewed with s/\//\n/g; < 1594216908 244277 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly I can't see much room for improvement here > 1594217065 687581 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[079014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75560&oldid=60948 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+18) 10/* Analysis */ cat < 1594217144 23840 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1594217289 776501 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 byte? aren't programs made of multiples of 4 byte instructions? < 1594217406 215276 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, UM8. I thought of UM-32 from the tom7 ICFP < 1594217566 384030 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:aded:6271:96ec:d42 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some programs are made of single bits < 1594217830 957078 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: I assume you already tried to search for translations on the web < 1594217946 531351 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :adu: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones#Description gives a supposed translation. I don't speak akkadian, ancient greek, sanskrit, ancient egyptian, so I can't tell for sure if it's accurate. < 1594218003 213256 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does the bottom of https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones#Inschriften , which gives an English translation too < 1594218032 702726 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that's not a backtranslation, but the original claimed by the creators of the monument that they were trying to translate to those languages. < 1594218063 311515 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are probably actually inaccurate translations, as these monuments usually go < 1594219381 555033 :catern!~catern@catern.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1594219433 79848 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594219641 115421 :catern!~catern@catern.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1594220223 928132 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594220459 894524 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594220588 87675 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594221534 505485 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1594221541 66115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[079614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75561&oldid=34055 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-15) 10 < 1594222003 397140 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594222134 638237 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1594223942 759630 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-152.host.pobb.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1594224263 782529 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9969:88c1:7a6e:649e JOIN :#esoteric < 1594224485 537466 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:aded:6271:96ec:d42 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1594225994 875573 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[079914]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75562&oldid=23003 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+33) 10cats & inpipe > 1594226030 67112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75563&oldid=50445 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* External resources */ > 1594226091 614507 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Logicode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75564&oldid=49736 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+55) 10cats > 1594227265 251345 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald/E Awards14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75565&oldid=75521 5* 03Emerald 5* (+243) 10 > 1594228402 206275 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rubic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75566&oldid=75409 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+46) 10/* Input and output */ > 1594228506 52377 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rubic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75567&oldid=75566 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+98) 10/* Looping */ > 1594229086 625683 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75568&oldid=75510 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+18) 10 < 1594229217 422998 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:f8f1:5a47:b6b9:d93b JOIN :#esoteric < 1594229457 780427 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9969:88c1:7a6e:649e QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1594230453 680627 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75569&oldid=75568 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+44) 10 < 1594230574 949465 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1594230777 905831 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75570&oldid=75569 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+22) 10 < 1594230852 899140 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@178.214.255.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1594231030 719703 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75571&oldid=75570 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+90) 10 > 1594231062 713228 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75572&oldid=75512 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+22) 10 < 1594231255 71432 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net PART :#esoteric < 1594231514 951997 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1594231526 49343 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1594231564 930429 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594231718 47494 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1594232683 315143 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I read about Quasijarus compression format, which has the same .Z extension as UNIX compression, but the format is like gzip except the different header, which doesn't include the filename and timestamp. < 1594232771 301116 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is apparently now the compression format used in BSD.) < 1594232919 501003 :tromp_!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594233149 485914 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:f8f1:5a47:b6b9:d93b QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1594233351 139825 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75573&oldid=74584 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+109) 10/* Example programs */ added a quine program > 1594233376 172971 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75574&oldid=75573 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+17) 10/* Quine */ < 1594233772 980144 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or at least, some versions of BSD.) > 1594234089 902436 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Microjump14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75575&oldid=74399 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+239) 10cats < 1594234132 212285 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how does such a format even get created? isn't gzip as old as zlib? < 1594234145 443429 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the filename is optional in the gzip format < 1594234185 709709 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know people also use zlib without the header, but that's mostly for network formats > 1594234213 486650 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig straight down like an idiot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75576&oldid=72646 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+122) 10cats < 1594234465 159815 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this format is supported only on VAX versions of BSD (although it could easily be implemented on other systems too), and they did that because they didn't want GNU software in their system nor the extra stuff in the gzip header, but also didn't like LZW and wanted a better compression algorithm. < 1594234810 544256 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see > 1594235051 604387 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75577&oldid=75527 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+13) 10Update > 1594235064 878222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75578&oldid=75577 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+1) 10Same as last change > 1594235175 763915 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Emerald14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75579&oldid=73227 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+120) 10 < 1594235611 187508 :lucky!~joel@unaffiliated/lucky PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Quasijarus is a VAX version of 4.3 BSD from the 80s, and yes it's to switch to gzip algorithm while keeping the whole current system otherwise unchanged < 1594235629 84506 :lucky!~joel@unaffiliated/lucky PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a modern branch of* > 1594235947 972065 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Comp14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75580&oldid=69482 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10pipe->nil < 1594236673 779426 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hqqrcxaddehikowt JOIN :#esoteric > 1594236848 596865 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75581&oldid=75578 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+49) 10Update syntax < 1594236941 152951 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tsacgxdiuyzmdrkk JOIN :#esoteric < 1594236942 392316 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iijqccrdukenjenc JOIN :#esoteric < 1594236965 925643 :mich181189!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sjgomsyvapriwpnm JOIN :#esoteric < 1594237016 897697 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric > 1594237043 768153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75582&oldid=75581 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (-120) 10Update syntax < 1594237153 607957 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1594243417 889354 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1594244444 984296 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75591&oldid=73366 5* 03Emerald 5* (-141) 10/* Commands */ > 1594245528 316460 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75592&oldid=75586 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+9) 10Fix spacing > 1594245820 613504 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75593&oldid=75591 5* 03Emerald 5* (+46) 10/* Movement */ > 1594245865 139167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BFStack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75594&oldid=74036 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+126) 10 > 1594246024 458338 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75595&oldid=75548 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-49) 10 < 1594246110 578118 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1594246702 537015 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75596&oldid=70909 5* 03Elderberry 5* (+74) 10Updated PPCG Chat Room < 1594247002 990404 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1594247094 245406 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1594247909 371246 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594248044 181973 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594248077 266269 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1594248567 764860 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75597&oldid=75592 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+73) 10/* Description */ > 1594248643 152674 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75598&oldid=75597 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+8) 10/* Programs */ < 1594250148 200265 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594250667 558110 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1594250842 281139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75599&oldid=75598 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+101) 10/* Description */ > 1594250880 103622 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75600&oldid=75599 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+2) 10/* Programs */ > 1594252039 998934 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75601&oldid=75593 5* 03Emerald 5* (-5) 10/* Hello World */ > 1594252210 841596 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75602&oldid=75601 5* 03Emerald 5* (+0) 10/* Hello World */ < 1594252409 120689 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICFP contest homepage updated btw > 1594252473 174805 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75603&oldid=75602 5* 03Emerald 5* (+1) 10/* Hello World */ > 1594252529 845689 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rubic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75604&oldid=75567 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+19) 10/* Example programs */ cat > 1594255613 148656 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Gregor's Answer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75605&oldid=38180 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+50) 10Wip and cats < 1594260669 425884 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1594261294 431112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594266478 21778 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The documentation for Mednafen says that physical CD support was removed in version 0.9.38. Is there a FUSE or something to work around this with programs that do not support physical CDs (not only Mednafen)? < 1594266738 829313 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Such a program is also useful for copying the CD images; you can just copy the files into a real file system, or if you have multiple drives, to copy the CD directly to another one, in case the CD recording program you have does not allow direct copying of CDs.) < 1594267347 12348 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1594269884 777440 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75606&oldid=75603 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+0) 10/* Hello World */ > 1594270444 524055 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75607&oldid=72638 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+572) 10 > 1594270884 122412 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75608&oldid=75606 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-11) 10/* Interpreters */ > 1594270945 525174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75609&oldid=75607 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+59) 10/* Length of Duration Underground */ > 1594270961 519776 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75610&oldid=75609 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+79) 10 > 1594271044 749087 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75611&oldid=75610 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+23) 10 > 1594272945 400916 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75612&oldid=75549 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+306) 10/* Polyglot Truth-machine in Factor and Brainfoctal */ < 1594273123 104541 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) > 1594273169 10410 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75613&oldid=75612 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+88) 10 > 1594273229 776797 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75614&oldid=75613 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+16) 10 > 1594273308 161084 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75615&oldid=75614 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+146) 10 > 1594273324 299770 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75616&oldid=75615 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-1) 10/* Polyglot Truth-machine in Factor and Brainfoctal */ < 1594273442 46061 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1594273810 775267 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75617&oldid=75551 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+93) 10/* Language overview */ > 1594274002 916138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75618&oldid=75616 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+297) 10 < 1594274098 29154 :bangyen!6c1cb4d2@pool-108-28-180-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594274157 477192 :bangyen!6c1cb4d2@pool-108-28-180-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just learned that all changes are announced here, so I apologize for the wiki spam haha. < 1594274189 37173 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are, although some people (such as myself) suppress their display here. < 1594274196 14869 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bangyen: it's okay, people have the option to ignore esowiki if they don't want to see the updates < 1594274216 400699 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I semi-ignore them... they're there but they don't show up as activity) < 1594274238 921214 :bangyen!6c1cb4d2@pool-108-28-180-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah ok, that's good. Do people usually just leave IRC open 24/7? < 1594274266 521907 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some do. < 1594274288 768963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a requirement ;-) < 1594274316 752255 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there are logs anyways, in case you are not connected < 1594274322 71913 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also logs that (apparently) some people follow when they're not here. < 1594274354 526495 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in either case they're there if you want to catch up on an ongoing discussion. > 1594274677 145838 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75619&oldid=75595 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+10) 10/* Implementations */ > 1594275776 485025 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75620&oldid=75617 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+2572) 10/* Examples */ > 1594275828 817402 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75621&oldid=75618 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+80) 10 > 1594276415 863005 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75622&oldid=75620 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+5) 10 > 1594276631 605887 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75623&oldid=75608 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-2) 10 > 1594277916 304157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75624&oldid=75611 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+1) 10 < 1594278426 113150 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1594278694 783954 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75625&oldid=75415 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+341) 10 < 1594278780 178112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594280026 931728 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594281237 317260 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig straight down like an idiot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75626&oldid=75576 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+99) 10 < 1594281321 9095 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1594281757 102319 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594281795 435809 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1594281847 595463 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-heudrwkrxikitbpr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594281894 172586 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rijewdndniaefggr JOIN :#esoteric < 1594282826 887088 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1594283261 918497 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1594283430 68268 :bangyen!6c1cb4d2@pool-108-28-180-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1594284865 938717 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1594289040 48391 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594289672 952578 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594291182 534100 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594291297 928304 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1594291349 391876 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1594292341 923009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1594292551 110551 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tandem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75627&oldid=74944 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+531) 10/* Non-terminating computations */ Fix laws for disjunction-involving-bottom. > 1594292708 399464 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tandem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75628&oldid=75627 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+333) 10/* See also */ Add a few predecessors > 1594292791 70568 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tandem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75629&oldid=75628 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+95) 10+External resource < 1594295798 94701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1594295846 17075 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1594295934 5482 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like 34°C at 34% humidity? < 1594295994 845546 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1594296114 119413 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not comfortable either, though that’s the weather out there and where I sit now it should be a couple degrees lower though maybe more humid instead which would be worse < 1594296346 184390 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one room a clock says 27° and 80%, wow < 1594296390 485072 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :high humidity may well be the end of humanity > 1594296642 339689 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75630&oldid=75623 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+38) 10/* Interpreters */ cat < 1594296650 300429 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I accidentally formulated the first law of myself, which states: you only want to cool by watering something else from yourself when that thing evaporates more efficiently than you plus it can actually cool you in some manner > 1594296677 323601 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75631&oldid=75630 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+61) 10update tmplt > 1594297108 68862 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TheSquare14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75632&oldid=46751 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+58) 10cats + link + bold > 1594297279 703096 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HighFive14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75633&oldid=53688 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10bold > 1594297620 939454 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75634&oldid=63546 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-10) 10unpipe cross-namespace link > 1594298013 484819 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hell6914]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75635&oldid=59463 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+101) 10cats] < 1594298446 287166 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ve a bunch of ideas for a page on deriving trigonometry (and hyperbolic trigonometry too would be nice) with illustrations/animations, maybe even interactive ones, but I don’t know any frameworks for that sort of things, especially non-JS ones, and don’t want it to be necessary for clients to have a java browser plugin installed for Geogebra examples. So maybe first I should try plain animations, but then it would be nice if I’d < 1594298446 432609 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : be able to generate all of them uniformly, either via the same application or via the same scripting thing tool. Do you know something like that? It should be able to export in a format browsers understand, and it should allow easily drawing at least circle and hyperbola arcs, and maybe sinusoids too < 1594298492 381127 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594298916 155054 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :geogebra? < 1594298922 183305 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nnvm < 1594299070 356606 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question about sqrts of cyclotomics... < 1594299071 356201 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1594299174 613670 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1594299284 988857 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1594300142 200485 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: yeah all in all geogebra is a good thing for interactive visualizations, there’s so many little options, but unfortunately it requires java and I don’t think many people have it these days < 1594300300 880350 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: about cyclotomic sqrt: I’d try to find something by squaring an unknown polynomial over ζ_{kn} and equating it to the given polynomial over ζ_n, but I’m afraid that would still be a hard problem < 1594300357 724060 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm isn’t DFT nicely related to multiplication of polynomials over ζ_n?.. < 1594300399 960946 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm should I have written “over Q_{kn}, over Q_n” instead) < 1594300414 598301 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, no) < 1594300611 615897 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think geogrebra works without java nown < 1594300689 503705 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I should look at the news then, thanks! I used v4 for a long time as I wasn’t very glad about the state of v5 right then, but maybe now it looks better < 1594300993 751039 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose we defined a DFT operator F: Q_n → Q^n so that for x1, x2 ∈ Q_n, F(x1 x2) = F(x1) F(x2) where the latter multiplication is componentwise. Then we should be able to find out if x ∈ Q_n has a square root in Q_n: each component of F(x) should be a perfect square. Now if that’s correct, the problem is to find what’s going on with images under F of an embedding Q_n ⊂ Q_{kn} < 1594301033 284539 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah that is a cool idea < 1594301346 505878 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m only uncertain that I haven’t seen this approach mentioned anywhere yet, though I haven’t read much too > 1594301366 529603 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Warp14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75636&oldid=68611 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+94) 10cats > 1594301427 6635 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Warp14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75637&oldid=75636 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+92) 10harp is still alive! > 1594301443 995522 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Harp14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75638&oldid=69929 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+69) 10 < 1594301694 264504 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, and one of the problems even without Q_{kn} is that the dimension of Q_k over Q is usually less than k so there are many equivalent Q^n representations we’ll need to check. Maybe that’s why it may end up being of no use < 1594301708 419791 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Q_k/S_n < 1594301876 635886 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would galois theory tell us. Q_kn / Q is (Z_kn/Z)^* and Q_n / Q is (Z/nZ)^* < 1594301900 30569 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we looking for Q_kn / Q_n of degree 2? < 1594301915 6044 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure exactly because maybe the extension field will change based on x < 1594301917 122633 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be that, yeah < 1594301937 444051 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm why would it? < 1594301946 326870 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for example Z is in Q_n < 1594301957 728496 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and square roots of different elements of Z ends up with different Q_p < 1594301964 957646 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not p sorry < 1594301990 195437 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes, then we’ll need different k for different elements < 1594302078 26108 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :when there are only finitely many sqrts, we’ll end up in some Q_m with large m, but a different one each time despite starting with Q each time > 1594302245 223102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Emerald14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75639&oldid=75590 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+62) 10 < 1594302800 510255 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594302925 403850 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, my squareness-in-Q_n method is hard. Take for example 4 ∈ Q_2. If we represent it as 4 + 0 ζ₂ or 2 + (−2) ζ₂, under F we have (4, 4) and (0, 4) which tell us 4 is indeed a square in Q_2, but if we represent 4 = 3 + (−1) ζ₂, under F we have (2, 4) which has an entry 2 not a square. So we need to make sure to find the right representation or this criterion is useless > 1594302973 645008 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DINAC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75640&oldid=74236 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+22) 10/* Datatypes */ bold > 1594302991 934514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ASCII14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75641&oldid=75046 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-15) 10 < 1594303188 648276 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the “balanced” representation, where coefficients of ζ_n, (ζ_n)*, −ζ_n and −(ζ_n)* are the same up to sign, is the one. Coincidently, 4 = 2 + (−2) ζ₂ is such a representation > 1594303221 381016 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Spite14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75642&oldid=41532 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+116) 10 > 1594303273 829994 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Spite14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75643&oldid=75642 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+15) 10/* External resources */ dead < 1594303301 924531 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm but in this definition this representation is not unique (0 = x + x ζ₂ for any x ∈ Q) > 1594303326 552543 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07`LML14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75644&oldid=65091 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+34) 10Bold < 1594303335 64616 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :where coefficients of ζ_n, (ζ_n)*, −ζ_n and −(ζ_n)* are the same up to sign => s/ζ_n/ζ_n^k for all integer k > 1594303428 575539 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Track14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75645&oldid=17531 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+75) 10/* Examples: */ cat + links > 1594303498 391738 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07XRF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75646&oldid=52414 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* Overview */ link+grm < 1594303525 7275 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we need [ζ_n^k] x = − [−ζ_n^k] x and [ζ_n^k] x = [ζ_n^{−k}] x precisely (and x should be real, and if we are not in Q_{2n}, then the first condition is inapplicable) < 1594303612 408761 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :*then*, for this representation, we at least have the squareness criterion right for Q₂ < 1594303640 40115 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not sure it will be so in Q₄ < 1594303827 951983 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Q₄ the representation is again not unique :( we should restrict the freedom of coefficients of ±i. Hm maybe we should just postulate that [ζ_{4n}^n] x = [ζ_{4n}^{−n}] x = 0 < 1594303863 10597 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully one doesn’t need to add more restrictions when n divides 8 etc. < 1594303878 482288 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m out > 1594303885 87316 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fishstacks14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75647&oldid=49157 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+102) 10cleanup + cats > 1594304006 190774 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Calcutape14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75648&oldid=71490 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-11) 10cat + wikify > 1594304118 329934 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Puzzlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75649&oldid=57363 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+21) 10/* Overview */ > 1594304170 91452 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Puzzlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75650&oldid=75649 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+40) 10/* Variants */ wkp_link + cats > 1594304285 861834 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fit14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75651&oldid=70229 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-3) 10lin > 1594304430 690267 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SovietCode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75652&oldid=70048 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+155) 10cats' > 1594304448 171748 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SovietCode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75653&oldid=75652 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+14) 10/* Code examples */ car < 1594304521 778844 :RiriSec!~igor@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1594304527 950838 :RiriSec!~igor@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, tell me something < 1594304528 210236 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :RiriSec: programs don't require computers.... aka scheme evangelist... long live scheme! it adds for you! < 1594304544 325357 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594304559 17103 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: stop being coherent < 1594304559 344901 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: tre pasted " insertion-sort" at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ 5606, or 6000 network. the pos was supposedly locked down, after all... as you do in c > 1594304563 920381 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Crazy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75654&oldid=73036 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+106) 10 < 1594304566 976425 :RiriSec!~igor@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: hewwo < 1594304575 260756 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1594304590 993722 :RiriSec!~igor@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like we're talking... all the time XD < 1594304605 390460 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p not at all > 1594304614 388736 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* 10moved [[02No10]] to [[No.]]: fix title < 1594304629 466753 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, tell me something about asm2bf < 1594304629 576018 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: you ' mericans... don't know that < 1594304643 84993 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :troubling! one day he mentioned asm2bf I recall it < 1594304654 829791 :RiriSec!~igor@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, 6700 messages in +/- 5 days > 1594304665 132649 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Aggressthon14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75657&oldid=66675 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-17) 10internal link < 1594304672 492825 :RiriSec!~igor@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, did you know elephans are just dolphins with legs? < 1594304672 732720 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric : kspalaiologos: take define-syntax, make your bfasm be a backend. i'm sure they've got plans for it. :p < 1594304672 841769 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :RiriSec: quuux, fnord... ( but then my code isn't particularly memory-hungry anyway :) this'll be fun... like a rotating screen :p " package" is a string, after all < 1594304672 944836 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: find the best result < 1594304696 414439 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite fun how he's using fnords in places of stuff he doesn't know what to put in > 1594304702 950281 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello, world!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75658&oldid=66689 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+12) 10/* See also */ another' < 1594304786 315308 :RiriSec!~igor@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, tell me something about asm2bf < 1594304786 425485 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :RiriSec: hi luxy! < 1594304795 989087 :RiriSec!~igor@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1594304799 791029 :RiriSec!~igor@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1594304945 780688 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1594304945 780764 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1594304956 512348 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1594304956 615311 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube < 1594304967 18086 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool < 1594304967 124288 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1594305042 77964 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it > 1594305187 801949 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RCEM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75659&oldid=40149 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+12) 10 > 1594305356 913528 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ragaraja14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75660&oldid=60655 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+18) 10lkin > 1594305376 333267 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Loose Circular Brainfuck (LCBF)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75661&oldid=74459 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-1) 10/* Differences with Brainfuck */ GrM < 1594305549 192592 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed > 1594305682 132852 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75662&oldid=75624 5* 03Emerald 5* (+243) 10/* Length of Duration Underground */ > 1594305723 296179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75663&oldid=75622 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-25) 10/* Brainfuck to Factor */ > 1594305728 304364 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75664&oldid=75631 5* 03Emerald 5* (-40) 10/* Interpreters */ > 1594305792 150111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75665&oldid=75663 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-28) 10/* Factor to brainfuck */ > 1594305902 22449 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75666&oldid=75665 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+9) 10/* Brainfuck to Factor (Ruby) */ > 1594305931 933943 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75667&oldid=75666 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+9) 10/* Factor to brainfuck (Ruby) */ > 1594305975 209267 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Psyche14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75668&oldid=72181 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+31) 10cat _ link > 1594306015 19257 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75669&oldid=75584 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (-10) 10/* Quine */ a shorter one > 1594306022 183818 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75670&oldid=75571 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+424) 10 > 1594306213 516151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75671&oldid=75662 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+94) 10/* Length of Duration Underground */ > 1594306261 768101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75672&oldid=75589 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+70) 10 > 1594306293 402578 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75673&oldid=75671 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+81) 10/* Length of Duration Underground */ > 1594306487 951840 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Semper dissolubilis14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75674&oldid=73720 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+125) 10ca ts > 1594306634 795844 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07You are Reading the Name of this Esolang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75675&oldid=72941 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+104) 10/* See also */ cats > 1594306929 35970 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75676&oldid=75559 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+326) 10 > 1594306937 772412 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75677&oldid=75676 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+3) 10/* Commands */ hmm > 1594307183 174296 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75678&oldid=75673 5* 03Emerald 5* (+158) 10/* Length of Duration Underground */ > 1594307261 195625 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75679&oldid=75672 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+95) 10 < 1594307297 286481 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594307302 16192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75680&oldid=75678 5* 03Emerald 5* (+26) 10/* Length of Duration Underground */ > 1594307317 49108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75681&oldid=75680 5* 03Emerald 5* (-1) 10/* Length of Duration Underground */ > 1594307337 40031 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75682&oldid=75681 5* 03Emerald 5* (+6) 10/* Length of Duration Underground */ > 1594307472 666597 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75683&oldid=75679 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+36) 10 < 1594307484 844637 :RiriSec!~igor@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :esowiki be like: ah ok just one-character edit < 1594307500 533554 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1594307921 828179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75684&oldid=75682 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+627) 10/* Length of Duration Underground */ < 1594308006 267413 :RiriSec!~igor@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.3 > 1594308115 343091 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75685&oldid=75677 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+443) 10 > 1594308260 428805 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald/E Awards14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75686&oldid=75565 5* 03Emerald 5* (+127) 10/* July 2020 (2nd half) */ < 1594308262 614178 :RiriSec!~RiriSec@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl JOIN :#esoteric > 1594308305 342221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Top-based turning14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75687&oldid=68205 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+28) 10/* Computational class */ < 1594308329 952529 :Ririnou!~RiriSec@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl JOIN :#esoteric > 1594308631 160123 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75688&oldid=75684 5* 03Emerald 5* (+133) 10/* Length of Duration Underground */ < 1594308830 137966 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1594309230 162476 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75689&oldid=75688 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+225) 10/* Length of Duration Underground */ > 1594309287 91672 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75690&oldid=75689 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+26) 10/* Length of Duration Underground */ > 1594309523 471175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75691&oldid=75690 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+79) 10/* Length of Duration Underground */ > 1594309619 158536 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eso2D14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75692&oldid=75086 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Hello, World! */ fix header > 1594309712 586812 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clockwise14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75693 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+551) 10Created page with "{{PageWIP}} '''Clockwise''' is a two-dimensional esolang by [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]] where the only turns are clockwise. ==Syntax== Clockwise code is two-dimensional...." < 1594309715 646607 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@172.242.0.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594309873 778451 :RiriSec!~RiriSec@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594309873 778516 :Ririnou!~RiriSec@217.97.35.43.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1594309939 295652 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75694&oldid=75619 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+13) 10/* Implementations */ < 1594310991 65028 :bangyen!6c1cb4d2@pool-108-28-180-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594312376 37191 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1594312545 505924 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:351f:ba7d:831d:4a26 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594312615 519072 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clockwise14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75695&oldid=75693 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+450) 10 > 1594312631 621835 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clockwise14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75696&oldid=75695 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+30) 10/* Commands */ cat > 1594312928 207297 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clockwise14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75697&oldid=75696 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+98) 10/* Commands */ < 1594313360 523772 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:351f:ba7d:831d:4a26 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1594313474 156311 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75698&oldid=75547 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+16) 10/* C */ + [[Clockwise]]' > 1594313533 136815 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75699&oldid=75519 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+88) 10/* Languages */ > 1594313603 753799 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clockwise14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75700&oldid=75697 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+5) 10 < 1594313728 18930 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-clcaznorjgutqfrr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594313806 269391 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-hlddrancbksmuqbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594313809 948748 :xylochoron[m]!xylochoron@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-mhqowbqykbitivkq QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594314182 73346 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1594314230 711815 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qxeanxvqxmyvzwwt JOIN :#esoteric < 1594314245 542570 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594314671 60902 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-3.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1594315057 879016 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-3.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1594315655 540791 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594315957 725035 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-udoqujlzplzgfovy JOIN :#esoteric < 1594315964 64511 :xylochoron[m]!xylochoron@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-psvgehvifigejdfj JOIN :#esoteric < 1594317121 926490 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1594317284 951299 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1594317646 971912 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BFQ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75701&oldid=43140 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+27) 10/* Quine */ < 1594318526 140442 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594319054 985702 :bangyen!6c1cb4d2@pool-108-28-180-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1594320385 913063 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594321245 633652 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@172.242.0.73 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594321357 919076 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1594321470 971045 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Asasnat14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75702&oldid=70023 5* 03Asasnat 5* (+26) 10updated stuff < 1594321618 828249 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594321694 429404 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1594321728 998358 :bangyen!6c1cb4d2@pool-108-28-180-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594322682 934353 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1594323036 355624 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75703&oldid=75664 5* 03DeybisMelendez 5* (+80) 10Fixed Examples + Link to new Interpreter > 1594323111 565638 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75704&oldid=75703 5* 03DeybisMelendez 5* (+1) 10 < 1594323712 277806 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.71 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594323760 916026 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594324918 713003 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DeybisMelendez14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75705&oldid=74530 5* 03DeybisMelendez 5* (+56) 10 < 1594326082 327365 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594327592 230642 :bangyen!6c1cb4d2@pool-108-28-180-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1594328557 351660 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Animosian14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75706&oldid=68798 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10bold > 1594328808 966813 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MGIFOS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75707&oldid=33654 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10/* Examples */ links > 1594328970 388447 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Poolshark14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75708&oldid=60209 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+26) 10bold + headerfixes > 1594329034 487320 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Legit14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75709&oldid=69841 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+19) 10 > 1594329119 859331 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mutating Stack Machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75710&oldid=65200 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10 > 1594329174 257086 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multi-Set Manipulator14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75711&oldid=68247 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10GrM > 1594329219 919342 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Set14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75712&oldid=55151 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* About Set */ cat < 1594330174 595153 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594330233 117539 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594330363 653327 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaa! < 1594331256 5961 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1594334238 749178 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1594334361 529154 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594334514 448474 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594334529 514238 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1594335018 893920 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Tautologos14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75713&oldid=57702 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+78) 10 < 1594335832 971950 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1594336105 320218 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594336179 402010 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1594337538 923210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Tautologos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75714&oldid=75713 5* 0320kdc 5* (+228) 10the syntax is close, though < 1594337634 869932 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594338105 529053 :tromp_!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1594338327 51549 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75715&oldid=75388 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+292) 10 > 1594338347 83623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/InputOnlyLangs14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75716&oldid=74322 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+18) 10 < 1594338394 106132 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594338949 998043 :Eric!43a9ad09@c-67-169-173-9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594339096 713647 :Eric!43a9ad09@c-67-169-173-9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net NICK :Rick < 1594339208 691241 :Rick!43a9ad09@c-67-169-173-9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net NICK :Errick < 1594339345 188597 :Errick!43a9ad09@c-67-169-173-9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594340473 915318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1594340621 540112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dotlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75717&oldid=68673 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-23) 10/* Implementations */ > 1594340657 237369 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dotlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75718&oldid=75717 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-2) 10 > 1594340704 23996 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75719&oldid=75694 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+22) 10/* Implementations */ < 1594340732 996196 :bangyen!6c1cb4d2@pool-108-28-180-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594341229 906424 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric > 1594341568 34629 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dotlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75720&oldid=75718 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* Computational class */ Wouk < 1594342680 82006 :bangyen!6c1cb4d2@pool-108-28-180-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1594345429 65383 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can post follow up messages to <1594277001.bystand@zzo38computer.org> on un2.org.zzo38computer.magic.custom if you want to write comments/complaints about my custom set of Magic: the Gathering cards. < 1594345567 689253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zzo38mtg < 1594345570 633952 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38mtg? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1594345593 570231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zzo38card < 1594345594 789784 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38cards are at http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/cards.txt < 1594345597 963476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? zzo38mtg.php < 1594345599 101685 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/cardfile.php < 1594345657 617568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Instead of MD5 I recommend a slow key-derivation sort of function. < 1594345742 620465 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( MD5 run through homeomorphic encryption ) < 1594345768 193982 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No, this isn't supposed to make any actual sense.) < 1594345813 661820 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This whole (fully) homeomorphic encryption business is a bit of a mystery to me. It's hard to conceive of applications. < 1594345830 699917 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit like blockchain, which essentially has *one* application. < 1594345853 681667 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is to make some electricity companies rich) < 1594345889 234953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the main application was to scam people? < 1594345916 624368 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an additional layer on top. < 1594345977 842512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as overall global transfer of wealth goes, I imagine there's more of that? Though I don't really know. < 1594346114 290182 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, not sure it's all that significant < 1594346115 719841 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK, although those are old; see http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/zivstr/ for the newest one, which is a specific card set. < 1594346121 649075 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably not) < 1594346165 26404 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NNTP server at zzo38computer.org does not require you to register an account to post. < 1594346179 155269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, global transfer of wealth as a result of Blockchain Technology < 1594346192 394654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I really don't like the grammar that "blockchain" has taken on. < 1594346201 823717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We used blockchain to do X and Y" < 1594346263 442166 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we blocked X by chaining it to Y < 1594346289 896810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people are using "coronavirus" similarly now, and it also irritates me. < 1594346316 449670 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we used coronavirus to do X and Y? < 1594346340 855299 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean the lack of articles < 1594346345 978798 :ipk!~ipk@static.71.2.243.136.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1594346349 517920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like the lack of articles, I guess. < 1594346393 291464 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Let's compensate: We used a shachaf to confuse #esoteric. ) < 1594346587 687734 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also a mirror of this card set on Magic Multiverse, although that is mainly for testing the Magic Multiverse export template for TeXnicard, although nevertheless it is there in case it is preferred by someone. < 1594346945 992626 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Also, the reason I used MD5 is because of the specification of HTTP. < 1594346970 149994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you use HTTP digest authentication. < 1594346995 269699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I shouldn't be surprised. < 1594347136 963354 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1594354094 185489 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qxeanxvqxmyvzwwt QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594354094 748647 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594354095 134486 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594354095 422948 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594354095 526162 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:ipk!~ipk@static.71.2.243.136.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594356691 155662 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-knabxlxkntjrilfx JOIN :#esoteric < 1594356691 155716 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-gbntwmvgotkdeynl JOIN :#esoteric < 1594356953 403223 :lucky!~joel@unaffiliated/lucky QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1594358857 400899 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1594360183 272466 :joel2!~joel@2607:fea8:3360:2287:10da:67ff:fec1:6437 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594363278 986263 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: ... < 1594363458 516282 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594363610 403620 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594367121 437478 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594368853 237650 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's oerjan when you need somebody to discuss the latest TWIST in GG... < 1594368978 25696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also wondered about small variations of that sentence. > 1594368982 407455 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Back14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75721&oldid=61875 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+104) 10 > 1594369025 720054 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75722&oldid=75719 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+11) 10/* Implementations */ < 1594369795 85321 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes where is oerjan < 1594370440 977253 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1594370800 301022 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I guess GG is one of the more inane topics to ask this about :) < 1594370835 86597 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GG = Girl Genius) < 1594370888 415137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I mean, it's no password of the month. < 1594370910 423147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that's a critically important topic. < 1594370918 93434 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, nobody cares about the potm. < 1594370919 628576 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1594370939 260516 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe 3 weeks from now. < 1594370946 904750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i `learn The password of the day is [...] < 1594370951 983711 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for now, the topic is done, over and best left to rest. < 1594370980 175093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I jammed up my SAT solver with a couple of extra features and it made a big qualitative difference. < 1594370992 568241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it can quickly solve instances that it wasn't able to solve previously. < 1594371042 443582 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how does it compare to minisat? < 1594371060 372217 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is kind of the baseline solver) < 1594371084 515246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some of them -- like n-queens -- it solves a lot faster than MiniSAT! Somehow. < 1594371104 429194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Was the line I just had in my text buffer, when I switched to the other window to verify that it was n-queens. < 1594371109 575787 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's interesting, unless it knows somthing about symmetries. < 1594371125 636368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't. I think it's just getting lucky using silly simple heuristics. < 1594371143 909346 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though hmm, those tend to be satisfiable, right? < 1594371153 283587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to implement better restarts. I finally added restarts, but I don't even save level-0 assignments when I restart. < 1594371164 609484 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so luck may be a factor :-/ < 1594371179 713277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I should probably have more UNSAT problems. < 1594371180 684573 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried to solve puzzles like slitherlink with your SAT solver? < 1594371211 246436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is sudoku a puzzle like slitherlink? < 1594371217 606807 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slitherlink is a bit awkward to encode... < 1594371219 583561 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's unlike slitherlink < 1594371222 742142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've solved sudoku and knight's tour. < 1594371230 424795 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it is created by the same author < 1594371233 3778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knights tour is kind of silly since there's a linear time algorithm for it. < 1594371240 374695 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if you have knight's tour you can also do slitherlink. < 1594371258 240703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Slitherlink is Loopy. < 1594371264 65633 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's also a tour. < 1594371283 148824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some kind of quadratic encoding for knight's tour. < 1594371285 582315 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah encoding that into SAT seems interesting, because you have global/topological constraints < 1594371295 304520 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, slitherlink = loopy < 1594371324 851501 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IME these puzzles that involve tours or connectivity are better solved with incremental SAT-solving. < 1594371338 174320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this UNSAT problem -- pigeon-hole-10.cnf -- is interesting. < 1594371370 20335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's UNSAT, and I solve it quickly if I use static variable ordering, but not any of my really terrible dynamic variable orderings. < 1594371450 303700 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What I do is look for solutions without the connectivity constraint. Then, if there's a loop, I assert that I only want solutions that use one of the edges *adjacent* to the loop (for each loop) and continue. Or something closely resembling that.) < 1594371513 730884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My static variable ordering is just to sort variables by the number of occurrences in all (initial) clauses. < 1594371532 903286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And whenever I need a new variable I linearly scan through the list until I see one that isn't assigned. < 1594371535 542923 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's for hamiltonian (or close to hamiltonian) cycles that appear in Slitherlink. For connectivity, I do the same thing but for cuts through the underlying graph: For each cut in the candidate solution, one of the involved edges must be in the solution. < 1594371564 242646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting. < 1594371567 567381 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this make sense? Not sure anybody is reading this. If not I should probably stop :) < 1594371595 227610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can easily just add clauses incrementally, for CDCL solvers. < 1594371599 32003 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some kind of polynomial time witness to a sat problem being unsatisfiable? < 1594371605 579256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I do that anyway for model counting. < 1594371654 81130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I"m surprised that this kind of thing works better than asserting connectivity upfront. < 1594371664 160202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that just because it's really awkward to encode? < 1594371670 785230 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: There's *some* difficulty connected to simplification (which some SAT solvers do and which may eliminate variables) but nothing that can't be dealt with by some additional bookkeeping. < 1594371682 473013 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1594371705 627854 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those puzzles it's a *huge* unwieldy constraint (compared to all the other, local constraints). < 1594371720 26434 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which takes time to generate, and slows down unit propagation and all that. < 1594371730 821834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there other kinds of constraint satisfaction problems that let you express that kind of thing more easily? < 1594371749 297706 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And at least for human solvable puzzles, the connectivity/single loop constraints tend to play a rather minor role. < 1594371813 476382 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's actually an SMT solver that incorporates such things, https://github.com/sambayless/monosat < 1594371825 747391 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I've never got around to play with... < 1594371863 117675 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I view the incremental SAT solving approach I outlined as a poor person's version of SMT solving :) < 1594371920 426497 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rather than checking the theory constraints on the fly, one waits for a complete solution of the propositional skeleton, and analyzes that for theory conflicts. Those become new clauses, and then the SAT solver can proceed.) < 1594371957 177216 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And hopefully this finishes before the clauses exceed the available memory.) < 1594371958 80084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, you're viewing the circuitude as a theory constraint. < 1594371965 996464 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1594371985 51289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to learn how SMT solvers work better. < 1594372137 210478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you liked minisat, you're sure to like microsat: https://github.com/marijnheule/microsat/blob/master/microsat.c < 1594372224 846110 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that coding style... < 1594372240 578454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's great, isn't it? < 1594372244 560122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing per line, with a comment. < 1594372283 803222 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thing" < 1594372328 338235 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines 33 and 34 alone... < 1594372390 854804 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though tbf, MiniSAT isn't all that pretty either, for different reasons.) < 1594372446 749274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My solver is ~1000 lines of C right now. < 1594372483 876292 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw do you use github often enough to confirm my suspicion that they moved the link to the commit history recently? < 1594372514 895070 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I should hunt down an older screenshot... that may be easier than asking people < 1594372524 409428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They redesigned the whole page recently, right? < 1594372537 131623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.blog/changelog/2020-06-23-design-updates-to-repositories-and-github-ui/ < 1594372650 678591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also found myself flummxed on this specific task since then. < 1594372731 655289 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an old screenshot, with "$nnn commits" at the top https://d1jnx9ba8s6j9r.cloudfront.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Cloning-how-to-use-github-Edureka.png ... I'm pretty sure that was a link. < 1594372762 693564 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I'll get used to the change in a month or two. < 1594372768 332597 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for now it's pretty annoying. < 1594372777 496909 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like that coding < 1594372781 445768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was. < 1594372786 498701 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be a fucking pest to work on without editor support < 1594372786 924538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another screenshot: https://tonsky.me/blog/github-redesign/10_as-is.png < 1594372811 740482 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1594372853 24727 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594372952 584979 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other thing I've been wondering is who that 'Add file' UI is supposed to be for. < 1594372966 897438 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm pretty sure it's not for developers. < 1594373007 444097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1594373010 882350 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe... they are unifying the github and gist UIs?) < 1594373018 863982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I clicked the "Add File" button and it automatically forked the repository?! < 1594373050 267251 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes some amount of sense. < 1594373058 592043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it needs my password to delete it. < 1594373066 703638 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it also seems rather surprising. < 1594373086 300431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not particularly a fan of the whole forking model in GitHub. < 1594373087 650210 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, because deleting repos requires a password. < 1594373090 163014 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUN. < 1594373094 580315 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi #esoteric < 1594373127 380882 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1594373131 593409 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, but it matches the git model... to make a change, you get your own copy of the repo, modify that, and then make a pull request. < 1594373149 64934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did y'all see https://github.com/shachaf/mustardwatch ? < 1594373152 592147 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or send the patches by email.) < 1594373162 672174 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1594373166 530406 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You've talked about it at length. < 1594373169 808557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1594373183 168742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like the kind of thing I might do. < 1594373197 748340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the GitHub pull requests aren't really part of the whole git model in the first place. < 1594373203 465968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're a separate code review tool. < 1594373217 669474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's some connection to regular git pull requests. < 1594373253 695017 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" is there some kind of polynomial time witness to a sat problem being unsatisfiable?" => not in general, because that would mean NP = coNP which we can't prove (though a few people suspect that it's true) < 1594373261 850829 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's false < 1594373293 521376 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think this is what you get if you combine the review-by-email and pull-from-this-repo requests in one UI, and modify it to be web-friendly. < 1594373307 724923 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's not the same, but most of the spirit seems to be preserved. YMMV. < 1594373336 581108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't NP=coNP lead to some sort of hierarchy collapse? < 1594373370 788884 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it's weaker than the infamous NP = P. < 1594373387 76101 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I think means no. < 1594373395 454971 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure :-/ < 1594373442 88650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says "If NP = co-NP then NP = PH." < 1594373451 184849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should know these things properly. < 1594373486 9474 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" They redesigned the whole page [github] recently, right?" => yes, they needed to do that to hide the change that they -- wait, Wikipedia? don't you look that up in the Complexity Zoo? -- show some other branch name instead of "master" < 1594373495 636150 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1594373505 921163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked it up on the Google. < 1594373530 845652 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, no way, last time I heard about this we certainly didn't know that < 1594373555 745846 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still get master branches. < 1594373602 215170 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ok, maybe not then < 1594373603 103285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm thinking about it and I'm not even sure what sorts of things are in PSPACE and not in PH. < 1594373629 294169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a thing in PH requires you to specify the number of quantifiers upfront rather than being part of the input. < 1594373647 372899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess I actually do know. < 1594373652 35250 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, PSPACE-complete stuff like QBF... < 1594373655 522201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, unless PSPACE = PH.) < 1594373656 729710 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the sokoban kind of problems, where you need to find solution that may be exponentially long < 1594373677 761027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but my question would have been, why is QBF not in PH? But then I figured it out. < 1594373680 101246 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or your favorite PSPACE-hard problem, #SAT. < 1594373693 56127 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless I'm mixing things up again. I may.) < 1594373725 397752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#SAT is PSPACE-hard? Hm, what does that mean? < 1594373732 988473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1594373740 246732 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I can see the fun there... each QBF instance is in PH. < 1594373744 391655 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594373751 965468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you said PSPACE-complete again somehow, despite typing a different phrase. < 1594373771 461268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure what it means, since #SAT isn't normally a decision problem, but maybe you just do the usual thing. < 1594373837 50086 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Well, the GitHub pull requests aren't really part of the whole git model in the first place." => yes, the original git model is sending patch sets by email < 1594373888 914764 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :github does the same but tries to remove the email part and do a web forum thread for pull requests instead of an email threads, because email is harder to centralize (at least if you're Microsoft not Google) and so harder to monetize < 1594373901 836766 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's logical < 1594373909 918771 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the complexity wiki just has the weaker statement that PH is in P^{#P} < 1594373965 254987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I looked, GitHub didn't look like a good code review tool. < 1594373971 49841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But people say it's better so maybe it's better? < 1594373981 553316 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can you give a link to where wikipedia says that if NP = coNP then NP = PH? < 1594373997 584347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynomial_hierarchy#Relations_between_classes_in_the_polynomial_hierarchy < 1594374046 864103 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toda%27s_theorem < 1594374059 882092 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is about #P) < 1594374133 79652 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it does say that there < 1594374151 496704 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah by the preceeding discussion this falls short of making it PSPACE-hard. < 1594374212 928193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nice thing about designing sudoku puzzles to be human-solvable is that id minisat doesn't find a solution within a few seconds, the puzzle probably won't be fun for a human. < 1594374213 139454 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why? Maybe the reduction is exponential in the number of quantifier alternations or something like that.) < 1594374227 696126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least that's my heuristic. Maybe it's not entirely true. < 1594374260 19329 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine that's true. < 1594374277 837987 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine the converse doesn't work :P < 1594374280 688979 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to find solving sokoban fun. It's a nice game in theory, but actually playing it just doesn't work well for me. < 1594374306 629448 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I used to play Sokoban *a lot*. < 1594374314 61442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you find solving Stephen's Sausage Roll fun? < 1594374326 359812 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Only up to a point. < 1594374354 397730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I found puzzles that were extremely restrictive with the SAT solver, so I thought they would be interesting for humans. < 1594374368 207993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it turns out to be too difficult, at least for me and a couple of other people. < 1594374373 354038 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, you are right < 1594374375 131298 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://complexityzoo.uwaterloo.ca/Petting_Zoo#PH < 1594374376 14015 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave up on it, around the point where puzzles started to rely on detaching the fork. < 1594374381 334704 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that confirms your statement < 1594374401 634340 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what Stephen's Sausage Roll is < 1594374449 975703 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I have an algorithm design question for you #esoteric < 1594374509 629320 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSR put some twists on a Sokoban-like game. < 1594374563 437378 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :My main complaint is actually that you don't get access to all the levels from the start, even though there's actually a reason for that... < 1594374620 130504 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have N small boxes, where let's say N <= 40000. Each box has two states: empty or full. Initially all boxes are full. Then I want to perform an interactive sequence of three types of steps. (A) Query the state of a bunch of boxes. (B) Set a bunch of boxes from full to empty. (C) Given a number K, fill exactly K empty boxes such that the set of < 1594374620 658585 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxes filled is chosen uniformly among all empty boxes and independently from previous random choices. < 1594374697 131371 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice, the boxes are in pages often accessed together, so I'll query all boxes in a few page together or fill a set of boxes that are some of the boxes within a few pages. < 1594374720 194249 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know at least one way to do this, but I'd like the best practical way, in terms of memory efficiency and time efficiency. < 1594374790 584114 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh I forgot how this works, wasn't there a way to turn the sausages... < 1594374826 702801 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I know. < 1594374858 738574 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best method I found so far is to store the empty boxes in a binary heap, with a dense index table from all boxes into the heap. For (A) we just look up which indexes are filled in the index table; for (B) we add boxes to the heap with random weights, (C) we remove the box with the highest weigh repeatedly K times. < 1594374928 359600 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can alternately use a treap, sorted by box number, in which case you don't need a separate indexing table because you can traverse a section of the treap in order, but this doesn't seem better, it takes slightly more memory, and now you have child pointers among the nodes which a binary heap doesn't need. < 1594374943 886620 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They involve a bunch of random access in either case. < 1594374977 254300 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably some better method by amortizing stuff, marking how many more boxes you have to fill in each page, but it doesn't seem trivial. < 1594375019 202700 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does my question make sense? < 1594375129 657804 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So (A) and (B) are just operations on a boolean array? < 1594375191 220876 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which does not support (C) efficiently by itself, but I'm trying to understand the problem here.) < 1594375473 107475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it not? < 1594375489 353563 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to scan the whole thing < 1594375542 827466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was thinking of a slightly different problem. < 1594375576 676835 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm referring to the thing starting with "I have N small boxes" < 1594375601 767354 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly I'm trying to clarify what (A) and (B) are. < 1594375661 879682 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "bunch of boxes" is confusing me. < 1594375663 832350 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: all of them are operations on a boolean array, yes, but if you have only a boolean array, (C) will be slow. that's correct. < 1594375689 592711 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each box is a boolean < 1594375695 980852 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're numbered to be in an array < 1594375715 138319 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if they aren't entirely dense that doesn't matter, we'll just never empty those boxes then) < 1594375719 440226 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah "they're numbered" is what I was fishing for. < 1594375754 138583 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hah, it feels odd to type "fishing" without 'ph'.) < 1594375781 609027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiphing? < 1594375798 69633 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the phunster at work < 1594375801 190321 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594375858 329977 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594375875 487744 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could keep a counter for each page for the number of balls to be distributed < 1594375900 151726 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to do (C), I iterate on all pages and generate the balls I add to the count in the correct distribution, < 1594375915 297371 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think you can somehow do with binomial magic... I'll have to look that up < 1594375948 289717 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could even do that hierarchically on a high-arity tree with the boxes in the nodes < 1594376637 337688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the context of this problem? < 1594376787 64010 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the motivation is a hypothetical game where the balls are resources that the player can collect then spend, like coins or ammo, a box is a fixed place on the map where the player can collect the resource, but unlike in traditional games, you can't just collect infinitely many resources by just replaying the same one level (whichever is < 1594376787 479190 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy and fast and has lots of boxes), but there's also not just a finite amount of resources you can collect, they respawn in levels when you spend them. < 1594376848 824877 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pages are levels or rooms, or just regions of the map handled together for efficiency if there are no level/room boundaries. < 1594377338 824635 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: not sure what you want to do with the page constraint https://paste.debian.net/1155884/ is a sketch of something that I might try < 1594377404 299046 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: pages are not a constraint, they're just a hint that may make it possible to optimize the real-world implementation, especially on a machine where RAM doesn't have uniform access time. < 1594377436 234806 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be useful because the heap solutions that I mentioned use a lot of ugly random access of single records each across many cache lines. < 1594377484 584977 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing I'm sketching doesn't have brilliant locality properties either < 1594377499 51627 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's way simpler than a heap < 1594377569 268030 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594377626 141473 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's related to the trick that you use to get constant time operations (including initialization to zero) using two arrays) < 1594377646 379996 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Do you find solving Stephen's Sausage Roll fun? < 1594377665 348302 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this game a lot, but it's hard. I haven't completed it < 1594377665 348364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that trick, I was just thinking about that. < 1594377690 579038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I was thinking about it after seeing your code. < 1594377778 798617 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1594377784 424429 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1594377897 351713 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: how many sausages did you get? < 1594377922 217564 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(174 here) < 1594377938 523441 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :105 < 1594377972 998656 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel better ;) < 1594378010 441989 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, seriously, it's hard. It *starts out* with levels that would be hard in other games, and mostly it just gets harder. < 1594378021 993495 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that's how I recall it, I've played this years ago. < 1594378125 821767 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently (looking at save files) May 3 2017 is when I started, May 13 2017 is when I solved my last level. < 1594378158 703870 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it starts out very very hard < 1594378162 849014 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, you have a right-growable array that stores the indexes of the empty boxes in an arbitrary order, and a full array that stores for each box the index into that full array. You keep the two in sync. < 1594378164 127296 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it gets way harder < 1594378175 489618 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the courage of a game to do that, baba is like that too < 1594378196 87105 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594378212 93708 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Baba has some tutorial levels at least. Hmm. < 1594378225 582122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm confused by your code, actually. < 1594378244 816359 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried, but I may have gotten it wrong. < 1594378253 261501 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For (A) you just look in the second array, for (B) you push a value to the first array an mark its index in the second, for (C) you repeatedly pick a random element from the first array, remove it, keep it dense by moving an element from the there, adjust first array in both places. < 1594378267 205908 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does work and is better than what I suggested. I should have thought of it, thank you. < 1594378279 432923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Say you empty 3, and then empty 1, and then fill 3. What's the state you're supposed to be in? < 1594378294 405909 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the idea is that -1 in `filled` represents filled boxes and each empty box has a corresponding entry in the `avail` array; these two entries point to each other. < 1594378317 452495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I understand that bit, with the dense and sparse arrays. < 1594378327 461535 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also confused by the code, but to be fair int-e said "sketch" < 1594378328 666582 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I'm missing an update to `filled` when I move avail[i] = avail[free-1]; < 1594378335 304008 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I said, I may have gotten it wrong. < 1594378354 450663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you want to be setting avail[filled[i]] < 1594378360 349004 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The missing bit is setting filled[avail[i]] = i. < 1594378392 337872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a bit more complicated than that? < 1594378416 552474 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :filled[avail[i] = avail[free-1]] = i; < 1594378443 715336 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more local version needs to do the ugly binomial calculations, which is sort of a tradeoff of more time for less storage. < 1594378474 299566 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not sure why it needs to be more complicated than that < 1594378538 416262 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose C++ frowns upon using `free` as an identifier ;-) < 1594378540 834731 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could do an intermediate thing where instead of binomial calculations you just repeatedly increase the delay counters by one. You still need a weighted random choice, but that's not that bad. < 1594378559 376240 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think it only frowns upon using it as a *global* identifier or macro < 1594378580 514938 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're fine using it as local < 1594378640 441654 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also don't try to use j0 as a global function name in C, as I learned from mysterious linker errors... < 1594378681 762572 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bessel < 1594378683 894736 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor nl, beacuse curses is old and pollutes the global C namespace with nonsense like that, and we couldn't get rid of it yet < 1594378749 421548 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: I've started a new game just to see what it was like and... how do you figure out what the objective is ;) < 1594378760 400541 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's part of the fun! < 1594378773 108017 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I remember it. < 1594378786 122506 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the objective is to get the credit screen to appear... wait, what game is this? < 1594378792 716898 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't recall how I figured it out. < 1594378797 224371 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :replaying it, I find different win conditions < 1594378808 127659 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still the sausage roll? < 1594378814 159120 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1594378838 561426 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry, I was thinking baba < 1594378848 655213 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry < 1594378857 988552 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baba made it easier, I think < 1594378921 971286 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see.I deleted all my progress anyway < 1594378948 659224 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Baba has the first level say "flag is win" or some such thing, right? < 1594379035 323700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: OK, I think you want something like: { int f = filled[i]; if (f != -1) { avail[f] = avail[free-1]; filled[avail[f]] = f; filled[i] = -1; free--; } } < 1594379070 339791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't ever want avail[i], I think, probably you meant avail[f]? That's the bit that was confusing me. < 1594379126 589 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: yes. and the level is designed in a way that doesn't tempt you to mess with the text < 1594379195 876529 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/baba_start.png < 1594379296 801529 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah yes. that looks like what I want indeed. < 1594379300 976829 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594379328 911188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some universe you would have different types for sparse and dense indices. < 1594379332 675672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not this one, though.) < 1594379346 844233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway this solution is good. I like it. < 1594379406 758567 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanks for the link < 1594379461 527616 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nah, I'd just use uint16_t or uint32_t for both, depending on whether I can have more than 65000 coins < 1594379484 915526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean machine types but type checker types. < 1594379504 29161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's actually a great idea, but I do think it's easy to mix them up. < 1594379519 448182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the problem of sampling k integers (in the range [0,N)) without replacement? < 1594379553 169937 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, but still no, because this is simple enough to not require types. I might choose better identifier names of course. < 1594379572 578540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I tried to figure it out I came up with an OK answer, with the right asymptotic behavior, but it turned out there was an even nicer algorithm. < 1594379581 404681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: Yes, that's why I said it's not in this universe. < 1594379668 538389 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, I actually researched that. the dense case (k is on the order of magnitude of N) is well known. For the sparse case, TAOCP has one solution, but there's another solution that seems equally good, and was either invented or independently reinvented by Roger Hui, and that I should send as an improvement ticket to TAOCP, but I'm lazy and < 1594379669 76694 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have been putting it off as Knuth won't work on volume 2 for a long time. < 1594379695 233464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: What are the two solutions? < 1594379697 355007 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think either solution is clearly nicer than the other. < 1594379722 10936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My solution used a lookup table, int->int, whereas the nicer solution only used a set of ints. < 1594379730 290184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, not a lookup table. < 1594379736 449750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A map, modified at runtime. < 1594379772 851343 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: both solutions need a hash of size constant times k where the keys are indexes up to N, but in both cases the hash part is easy because you can use a trivial hash function because you will be storing random keys only. < 1594379782 908335 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are two ways to use that hash to pick a sample of size k. < 1594379810 375465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: whoa, somehow I didn't make that observation, that you can use a simpler hash table because your keys are guaranteed random. < 1594379835 46673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are they? Hmm. < 1594379860 486120 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe you should read TAOCP then? the solution in TAOCP is to use the hash to store which items have been picked, keep picking a random item out of the N, redo the pick if you have already picked the same item, and repeat until you got k successes. < 1594379864 225766 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: Oh looks like 105 is actually a relatively nice phase of the game where you have plenty of levels to choose from (but it's hard to say) < 1594379895 714641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: Redo the pick? Doesn't that have arbitrarily long worst case runtime? < 1594379914 876386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do this with exactly k calls to the RNG. < 1594379920 99709 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, but again it's uniform random so it's exponentially fast, < 1594379948 734616 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in both cases you do this only if k is significantly less than N, so the probability that you pick the wrong thing is less than k/N, which is less than 1/5 < 1594379962 738194 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just do the normal dense solution if 5*k>=N < 1594379987 863505 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the difficulty curve isa lot kinder < 1594379989 992585 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: Anyway, at the point I reached I have one level to solve and I got totally stuck on that one. Which is... meh. < 1594379990 747619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but there are nice algorithms that just works in all cases. < 1594379992 944358 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still ends up being a super hard game < 1594380001 644691 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e in SSR? < 1594380007 183858 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: yeah in SSR < 1594380012 264796 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that in the fire zone? < 1594380025 59655 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm past that. < 1594380026 476253 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roger Hui's solution is to simulate the dense algorithm, which maintains a permutation that is initially the identity permutation. It will change k random items and the k last items in that. So you store the k last items in a dense array, and any other items that don't match the identity in your hash. In this case the hash has values too, not just < 1594380026 967625 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :keys. < 1594380028 366171 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh exciting < 1594380031 629254 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought this was the last zone < 1594380052 611595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: Oh, that's my solution. < 1594380056 377146 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case there's still potential redo: it comes from the algorithm to pick a uniform random number from a size that's something between N and N-k+1 < 1594380057 309477 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a sort of vikings zone < 1594380074 632442 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right, that's why I think Roger Hui may have independently reinvented the solution < 1594380088 500452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Floyd's solution is even better. < 1594380091 810317 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: note that generating the single random pick comes with a chance to redo in first place < 1594380108 518146 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Floyd's solution? < 1594380109 646897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, noted. < 1594380148 434907 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can have ANY solution with no chance to redo, because you have to pick one solution among binomial(N,k), and that's usually not a power of 2 < 1594380198 500646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was taking "pick a single random number in [0,n)" as a primitive. < 1594380222 795973 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can probably only be a power of 2 if k<=1, and k=1 is a special case with well-known solution, k=0 is trivial < 1594380228 508309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me see if I can remember Floyd's solution and the phrasing I liked. < 1594380232 920685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594380233 23676 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594380233 23718 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594380233 153525 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594380233 412094 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594380261 666675 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can do that, but then you're cheating with accounting. in exchange for perhaps slightly more retries, the TAOCP solution has less bookkeeping and an easier implementation. < 1594380281 820416 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hash table stores only values, not keys, and you only have to modify one element, not two. < 1594380287 665376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a fair argument that I hadn't thought of. < 1594380303 775 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no special case for when you pick one of the last elements either. < 1594380305 561791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floyd's algorithm also stored only values rather than key-value pairs. < 1594380348 16023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me see if I can remember it exactly. It took me a bit to convince myself it was correct, but with the right phrasing it's hopefully obvious. < 1594380350 813635 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if there's a "Floyd's solution" that isn't clearly worse than the TAOCP solution, why is that not in TAOCP in first place? < 1594380371 623968 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, the same is true about Roger Hui's algorithm, since I read it in source code form < 1594380374 175623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I've only read the SAT section of TAOCP. < 1594380398 808 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1594380409 622793 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: there's a huge area to the south that goes all the way back (eastward) to the starting island... and probably beyond but that's about where I'm stuck < 1594380421 110791 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless that solution is later or close in time to the third edition of vol 2 of course < 1594380451 434524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1594380451 434587 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1594380451 434601 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594380451 434610 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1594380451 434618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1594380580 530677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To sample k numbers < N: First sample a smaller set of k-1 numbers < N-1. Then choose a random number i < N. If i isn't in the smaller set, then just add it. If i is in the set, add N-1 instead. < 1594380629 237554 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1594380853 965610 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/ssr-south-of-start.png ... actually I'm stuck quite a bit east from there. < 1594380873 136783 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1594380885 723785 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: and if I place the area correctly, the fire area is a good way west (and a bit to the north) from there. < 1594380895 454019 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ssr world is huge. < 1594380916 923133 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive restarted the game a couple times, to reintegrate the knowledge from earlier levels < 1594380931 226987 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i havent got past the fire zone yet < 1594380963 115318 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot what the twist in that area was... I played one level where you had to kind of plan for your way back < 1594380997 286159 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you had to work pretty hard on turning a roll by 90 degrees < 1594381022 979435 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594381054 380950 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But meh, I think it'll just be an unfinished game for the time being. Lots of other games around. < 1594381111 219549 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other games do you like? < 1594381193 447912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :IntSet sample(int N, int k) { IntSet s = empty_set(); for (int i = N - k + 1; i <= N; i++) { int v = rand(i); if (!has(s, v)) { add(s, v); } else { add(s, i-1); } } return s; } < 1594381205 288880 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594381227 377879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just better than the simulated shuffle algorithm I came up with (which I guess Hui did first?). < 1594381289 88171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If TAOCP has a section on sampling naturals sparsely without replacement, and it doesn't mention this algorithm, that's a glaring omission. > 1594381299 931645 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03The Esolanger 5* 10New user account < 1594381300 818239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that's the situation of the world. < 1594381320 5895 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :claim your $2.56 < 1594381340 895241 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know who did first. I heard the solution from Roger Hui, and he confirmed in an email that he came up with the solution idependently, but this is something multiple people could have invented. < 1594381504 792878 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: I guess the genre that I play most is click&point adventures. But I kind of want to finish a first person shooter at some point. I almost made it through Bioshock Infinite... and then I lost the savegame in an OS reinstall (because it was in a place I didn't think to back up). > 1594381505 766605 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75723&oldid=75539 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (+188) 10/* Introductions */ < 1594381567 756034 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: it's not an error but a significant suggestion, so it's worth only $0.32, and that only if you're the first to suggest it < 1594381576 371216 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the only hard constraint is that I don't do multiplayer. < 1594381595 466123 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't understand why that solution works yet < 1594381721 159171 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't feel uniform < 1594381734 983855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. But it uses trickery. < 1594381838 259732 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of want to finish a first person shooter at some point => I think the most popular ones are Doom, Hexen, Perfect Dark, Half-Life. < 1594381859 373631 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most popular as story in single-player mode that is, as opposed to multiplayer fights. < 1594381884 365435 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should probably at least know about those four before deciding what to play. < 1594381909 247544 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I think I get it. When you use i-1 you pretend that the element you clashed it actually had that index. < 1594381932 529445 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But using a set obscures that fact, you should really sample an ordered list. < 1594381987 91750 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: both the TAOCP algorithm and Roger Hui's algorithm actually samples an ordered list < 1594382069 358476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say you've sampled k numbers < N, stored in a set S. So each number 1594383330 402449 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Obfuna14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75724&oldid=36826 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-3) 10 < 1594383352 339956 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, int-e does a linear traversal, which works for small k only < 1594383357 819307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't actually read your description of Roger Hui's solution carefully. My solution doesn't store the dense array, only the hash table, and extracted the result from the hash table keys later. < 1594383372 382512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: Sure, but if you want to store both an array and a set, you can do that. < 1594383385 677092 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594383390 367129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same transformation applies to both algorithms. < 1594383395 333350 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: or you can permute randomly afterwards < 1594383396 302133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, hmm, maybe I'm just saying nonsense. < 1594383536 497131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if you don't care about the order of the elements, you can just store a hash table, without the dense array, for the algorithm you described. < 1594383538 287687 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAOCP 3.4.2. exercise 16. and it asks for a sorted output, so that Floyd thing is acceptable for that < 1594383550 707156 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, and you only store keys in the hash table, not values < 1594383618 321878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have TAOCP unfortunately. > 1594383716 325201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Recurl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75725&oldid=23463 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+66) 10notice < 1594383765 783786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this is presented as an exercise, not a full thing discussed in the main text? > 1594383778 651583 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Amycus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75726&oldid=58495 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10fix term < 1594383790 666681 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1594383795 960009 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dense case is in the main text < 1594383800 3547 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: again, I wrote that code not to be fast but to be clear and simple < 1594383802 313350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it has no obligation to be complete. > 1594383814 244166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Amicus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75727&oldid=58499 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10erm < 1594383822 643803 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: because I didn't understand why the sampling was uniform when it was phrased in terms of a set > 1594383844 586939 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Amycus Severus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75728&oldid=57642 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-7) 10unpipe & term > 1594383883 252473 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hyperamicus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75729&oldid=58494 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2) 10link > 1594383896 879054 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hyperamicus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75730&oldid=75729 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10user a < 1594383904 581732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the dense case "do a Fisher-Yates shuffle, but stop once you've shuffled the last k elements of the array"? < 1594383921 15478 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes > 1594383931 873064 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07GolfScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75731&oldid=67212 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Overview */ < 1594383945 634652 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main text also discusses the problem where you read N records in sequence once and want to keep k random records from them, but you don't know N in advance > 1594383955 262051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07GolfScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75732&oldid=75731 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10/* External resources */ cat langs < 1594383978 172400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing called reservoir sampling? < 1594384007 522747 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1594384014 627310 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wait, I might be wrong here about the dense case, let me reread < 1594384126 626481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of these things seem almost too simple to have names. < 1594384159 781451 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh the "Add file" UI isn't new, it's just much more visible now. < 1594384179 327624 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main text says "Algorithm P can easily be modified to yield a random permutation of a < 1594384179 884785 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :random combination" where Algorithm P is the shuffle < 1594384197 13195 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1594384220 418502 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they don't really have names to me, I just look them up in Knuth and refer to a chapter number or algorithm in a chapter number or an exercise in a chapter number < 1594384238 97175 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAOCP is one of the bibles for this, so those references are as good as canonical names > 1594384241 483293 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StubScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75733&oldid=73062 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+364) 10interpreter and cats > 1594384256 522273 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StubScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75734&oldid=75733 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10bold < 1594384358 269651 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, a few of them also have fancy names < 1594384376 804321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, nothing wrong with naming things, but I think I came up with simple versions of both Fisher-Yates shuffles and reservoir sampling when I first thought about these problems. < 1594384389 126982 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need those fancy names to be able to mention them in the short description of what will be in the exam < 1594384390 246615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that that means it was trivial originally, of course. > 1594384436 644906 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainCurses/implementation.js14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75735&oldid=53986 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+22) 10back < 1594384456 390591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Floyd's algorithm I did not come up with, even though it's super duper simple and (in retrospect) obviously the right thing. < 1594384469 699563 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remembering which name refers to what theorem was actually non-trivial for me for the calculus exams, and I think the dual problem of writing concise but clear names on the exam topic sheet is also nontrivial. < 1594384482 625715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I read the algorithm, didn't understand it, and then realized that it was "obviously" correct in the shower the next day. < 1594384506 88032 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, as they say, programming has two hard problems, naming, off-by-one errors, and caching. > 1594384506 122887 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainCurses14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75736&oldid=51089 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+18) 10 > 1594384578 468392 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Malbolge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75737&oldid=65587 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10ok < 1594384587 287700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Oh, the paper I linked to actually mentions a variation of your variation. > 1594384601 809011 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lisp14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75738&oldid=70712 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10 < 1594384605 802534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the third page, "Floyd's Permutation Algorithm". < 1594384610 999276 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'll have to look at that later then < 1594384618 438195 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing we have channel logs > 1594384620 843716 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Topline14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75739&oldid=69673 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-8) 10rm redundancy > 1594384691 86132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Urban Mller14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75740&oldid=69972 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-1) 10 > 1594384775 556210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dc14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75741&oldid=70769 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* Computational class */ link > 1594384864 61255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75742&oldid=70604 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10l > 1594384911 806873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BitCycle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75743&oldid=50900 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* Computational class */ l > 1594384961 208118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Haddock14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75744&oldid=65159 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+55) 10/* Implementing Haddock */ cats > 1594385016 204236 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75745&oldid=72890 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+56) 10/* External resources */ cats > 1594385156 62130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Obfuna14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75746&oldid=75724 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+5) 10"a unary" is correct, "yoonary" has a consonant start sound > 1594385222 664662 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Back14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75747&oldid=75721 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10 < 1594385791 721543 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594387712 566996 :BWBellairs[NNRF]!~bwbellair@hellomouse/dev/bwbellairs JOIN :#esoteric < 1594387793 803144 :BWBellairs!~bwbellair@hellomouse/dev/bwbellairs QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594387794 557484 :BWBellairs[NNRF]!~bwbellair@hellomouse/dev/bwbellairs NICK :BWBellairs < 1594387828 605454 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tsacgxdiuyzmdrkk QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594387858 283427 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594387916 223923 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso JOIN :#esoteric < 1594387921 55775 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sbakyafzimfhdqyg JOIN :#esoteric < 1594388081 250089 :deschutron!~deschutro@2406:3400:512:c8c0:2d8:61ff:fe2e:ce6a JOIN :#esoteric < 1594388478 142158 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I found my slitherlink solver. < 1594388519 392815 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Haskell, uses an unpublished minisat binding, and has snarky comments that are pretty useless. < 1594388578 584327 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, for posterity: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/SL.hs < 1594388688 521394 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the input format was. < 1594389231 751959 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's the dimenstions on two lines, then the puzzle constraints as digits, with '4' for no constraint) < 1594389266 563694 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I have no sample inputs. not that it matters because I won't be compiling this anyway) < 1594389916 851870 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's Haskell, uses an unpublished minisat binding, and has snarky comments that are pretty useless. => rofoldr > 1594391037 129582 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75748&oldid=75670 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+2) 10 > 1594391565 652412 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75749&oldid=75748 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+2) 10 > 1594391738 130294 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75750&oldid=75749 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-7) 10 > 1594391892 314909 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75751&oldid=75750 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+55) 10 > 1594391911 482744 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75752&oldid=75751 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-5) 10 > 1594392038 930007 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75753&oldid=75752 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-16) 10 > 1594392337 505576 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75754&oldid=75753 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+88) 10 < 1594393441 111466 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1594394545 250689 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1594394848 487462 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75755&oldid=75754 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Syntax */ grm > 1594395780 866593 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Dig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75756&oldid=75691 5* 03DeybisMelendez 5* (+534) 10/* Length of Duration Underground */ > 1594396677 117502 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ReThue14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75757&oldid=73214 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+118) 10 < 1594397143 690549 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1594397814 243765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ni14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75758&oldid=75187 5* 03DeybisMelendez 5* (+531) 10Major update > 1594397911 887240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ni14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75759&oldid=75758 5* 03DeybisMelendez 5* (+3) 10little error > 1594398321 965222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SYCPOL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75760&oldid=53791 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+56) 10 > 1594398342 422654 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07COBOL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75761&oldid=66152 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10 < 1594398928 689100 :joel2!~joel@2607:fea8:3360:2287:10da:67ff:fec1:6437 NICK :lucky < 1594398934 747939 :lucky!~joel@2607:fea8:3360:2287:10da:67ff:fec1:6437 QUIT :Changing host < 1594398934 748002 :lucky!~joel@unaffiliated/lucky JOIN :#esoteric > 1594400289 708569 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deklare14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75762&oldid=68163 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+15) 10fix tmp > 1594400297 317257 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deklare14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75763&oldid=75762 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10link > 1594400351 195080 PRIVMSG #esoteric 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03DmilkaSTD 5* (-776) 10I'm ashamed of this < 1594403244 960328 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1594403245 84502 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mind reader14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75770&oldid=75769 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+108) 10 > 1594403293 124790 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07InDec14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75771&oldid=44554 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+37) 10ca > 1594403334 339293 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Meander14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75772&oldid=73035 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10ns notice > 1594403369 163612 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AlphaBeta14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75773&oldid=66410 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-20) 10rm reduntant pipes > 1594403466 767619 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Re:direction14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75774&oldid=58999 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* Hello world program */ ln > 1594403545 614787 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Colambda14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75775&oldid=20549 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+27) 10 > 1594403651 186461 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Numeric Batch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75776&oldid=39048 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+47) 10 > 1594403668 230669 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Numeric Batch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75777&oldid=75776 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10/* Information */ fix > 1594403743 506050 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Gopher14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75778&oldid=64377 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+38) 10link, cat, __quine > 1594404863 429386 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75779&oldid=75715 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1366) 10 < 1594405680 885004 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric > 1594405953 840336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75780&oldid=75779 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+654) 10/* Truth-machine */ is tc < 1594405988 896484 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a musing about programming concept where I want to explain to you #esoteric teddy bear style, and ask for references and names < 1594406118 594436 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how all APLs have this feature where a lot of basic operations, including most arithmetic like multiplication, automatically maps over arrays, so if you write (x + y) where y is an array then that's the same as (map (x +) y) < 1594406143 645762 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only this gets more complicated because of multi-dimensional arrays and because of uncurried multi-arity functions > 1594406304 684214 PRIVMSG 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1594406727 88986 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75787&oldid=75784 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+32) 10/* BREAK */ > 1594406763 702518 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75788&oldid=75787 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-18) 10/* END */ > 1594406979 914910 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75789&oldid=75788 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-2468) 10Blanked the page > 1594406995 454594 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Point Break14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75790 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2501) 10add Point Break > 1594407103 116314 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Poochiewuddledumpling-Boobledarling14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75791&oldid=35646 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+63) 10link & impl > 1594407143 341521 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DmilkaSTD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75792&oldid=75683 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-1056) 10 > 1594407214 267754 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75793&oldid=75768 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+91) 10 > 1594407235 546460 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Code is eso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75794&oldid=75406 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+91) 10 > 1594407250 151825 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MineScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75795&oldid=69873 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+91) 10 > 1594407269 256453 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asvi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75796&oldid=74387 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+91) 10 > 1594407282 11803 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asvi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75797&oldid=75796 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-230) 10 > 1594407491 16009 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Anarchysm14]]4 M10 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02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75804&oldid=75699 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+77) 10/* Languages */ < 1594408774 446649 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: please go on < 1594408903 19205 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally I sat up to listen to a recording of a course on Clifford algebras but this is just the introduction and overview I hadn’t yet climbed over (in that course). Want my knowledge on them be systematic and general, and hopefully I’ll get spinors after it < 1594408908 636280 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry I am sidetracked < 1594408914 463946 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll return < 1594408960 304517 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and there is some bibliography! < 1594409141 414741 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: BTW that’s an interesting topic for a language design—an unambiguous notation for various function actions which is simple to use. What APL does may be one extreme and what e. g. Haskell does may be another (though with careful type classes, one can make (+) work in interesting ways and at the same time not too mysteriously) < 1594409219 89713 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594409516 854025 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, so in APL all arrays are mapped over like this, but there's also a possible design where ordinary arrays don't have this property, but you have a special type of immutable arrays that does this, and ways to convert both ways. The only language I know that clearly takes this path is perl6, where the latter kind are called junctions. J and its boxed arrays are somewhat similar, but in J the < 1594409522 882878 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :default array type is the unboxed one that does map through. < 1594409570 225639 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you could also imagine a language where the mapping is done not in the primitives but in every function by default, so if you define a function the simplest way, it will map over all its array arguments, but you can define special kinds of functions that don't do this and let you introspect an array eg. index it. < 1594409648 586236 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course for some functions, mapping outside and mapping inside are equivalent, or are related by transposing the axis of the results, and in those cases an interpreter may transparently optimize between them, in both directions in fact because sometimes one is better sometimes the other, and < 1594409711 457997 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can even optimize to the middle ground where it breaks an input array to L1-cache-sized chunks and calls the function for each chunk, looping over the elements of the chunks in the primitives that the function calls. < 1594409779 888036 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now there's another phenomenon: perl 5 has lists where if you pass the list to an ordinary function, it will automatically splat it to multiple arguments. Mathematica has that kind of list too, IIRC called List, but it's not the default kind of array. In both cases, there are some functions and/or builtins < 1594409816 10360 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where arguments aren't splatted, and these can be used to introspect such a list, although a vararg function can introspect them too if you have vararg functions. < 1594409840 897423 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can even do this one with static typing if you only allow this sort of list to have a length known at compile time. < 1594409847 517868 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: in Mathematica, it should be a Sequence if I understood correctly < 1594409899 420085 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now what I'd like to know is if there's a name for these two types of immutable arrays, and/or the phenomenon where a language has them. I think the former is called "array languages", that's the grouping for APL and matlab/octave. < 1594409914 198797 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iirc maple also has the latter kind of lists. < 1594409918 913946 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure about that. < 1594409931 610142 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a third phenomenon, which is not about lists, but might be related here. < 1594409990 126961 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely in Mathematica, when you call an ordinary function, it first evaluates each of the arguments that you pass, just like an ordinary function in any language, and this applies to new functions you define. But you can define special macro-like functions that don't do this, and they can do anything they want with their unevaluated arguments. < 1594410031 381863 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal languages either always evaluate the arguments of functions before calling, which is eager evaluation, or postpone evaluating them to when they're first needed, which is lazy evaluation, < 1594410049 358169 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some languages like scheme allow you to define macros that do neither, and can introspect their unevaluated arguments. < 1594410109 420997 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica also has a simple container that contains one unevaluated value, called Hold, and maple sort of has its equivalent, backticks, except that in maple, there are some arithmetic evaluation rules that are always done even inside backticks. < 1594410162 900756 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think cpressey has a language where functions are primarily macro-like, but the standard library has a macro to define a lambda function, which is a special kind of macro that always evaluates its arguments before doing anything else. < 1594410182 69464 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And doesn't access the unevaluated arguments in any way other than throught their evaluations.) < 1594410220 721008 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica went even further and added Defer in ≈v8 which works thus: Defer[e] evaluates into unevaluated e and then you can evaluate it once more and that will evaluate e < 1594410221 990215 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'd also like to know the name of this feature, or more examples for any of the above. < 1594410253 298778 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: ah, I know an example for that primitive! < 1594410289 416834 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/SIMPLE_(preprocessor) < 1594410305 880918 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there's TeX, in which normal functions that you define are macro-like, they don't evaluate their argument < 1594410358 489915 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course if everything is macro-like then the question is, how do you actually call those macros < 1594410366 151115 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think languages with sufficiently lispy macros may have several different approaches to the second thing too, though the good way I think is to treat arguments as valid ASTs. Sequence-like splats were in some lispy languages too < 1594410375 372463 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and TeX's answer is, the top level evaluates a macro call < 1594410428 829693 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1594410430 358751 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weyl algebras < 1594410431 867777 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also SIMPLE is somewhat based on m4, which also has this defer feature < 1594410431 978676 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, expansion evaluates macro calls, and expansion can sometimes occur inside of other stuff too. Some tokens are unexpandable and are executed only after they reach the top level, though. < 1594410471 918788 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, inside romannumeral IIRC, which you can use as a kludge to initiate expansion in a place that doesn't normally expand anything < 1594410563 618399 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly I don't really understand how TeX works, and I understand METAFONT to an even lesser degree. the latter has to do with TeX/METAFONT's localized tokens combined that interacts with the expansion and with multi-token names in a way that I don't understand < 1594410566 368749 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, \romannumeral will expand its argument, and is expandable, but it won't expand if expansion is suppressed. < 1594410598 229554 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a TeX hacker and really don't feel how TeX programming works < 1594410615 769550 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One way to expand something when expansion is normally suppressed is to use \expandafter, and you can also use \edef or \xdef to expand the definition of a macro at definition time, rather than later < 1594410634 45776 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's some really interesting esoteric parts of TeX and METAFONT that might be worth for someone to study for furthering esoteric languages < 1594410704 904075 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In METAFONT, you can define a macro to evaluate its arguments either before expanding its definition or to don't do that; if the type of argument is expr then it will evaluate it and substitute a "capsule" where its name occurs inside of its body. < 1594410712 973693 :bangyen!6c1cb4d2@pool-108-28-180-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594410796 640662 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it is Knuth who devised TeX in all its esotericity is bothering < 1594410846 834472 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: why? < 1594410875 101226 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that's one of the defining features of Knuth < 1594410891 273973 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm well he wanted to write software to be simple I hope < 1594410922 677567 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean that's one of the defining features of Knuth => is MIX as esoteric? I haven’t look at it in detail and assumed it’s pretty normal < 1594410933 289076 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple in what sense? he had a goal, to be able to typeset TAOCP vol 2 and further volumes. he made whatever he could for that. < 1594410971 130465 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: MIX isn't esoteric, but it's old, in the sense that TeX is old in that it doesn't have lambdas and lexically local variables because back then those weren't standard features of an interpreted language < 1594410988 451340 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1594411004 377894 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMIX may be esoteric, and I argue for that it is in the wiki article, but it's stealth esoteric in that it does a good attempt at the esotericness being plausibly deniable, < 1594411033 889473 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it seem like it could be a real machine, but make it subtly impractical to make sure it will never be a real machine on hardware, or at least not one that spreads. < 1594411063 850274 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594411103 725404 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If MIX is esoteric in that sense, then I'm too old to notice that, I don't know much about archeological computer design, and don't recognize any way how it's not like what could be a real computer at that time. < 1594411126 91265 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone who designed computers back then and really understood what that entails would notice such details. < 1594411203 291001 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some features I don't know if it is, such as automatic character set conversion, and having the possibility of both binary and decimal versions of the same kind of computer, but maybe they are, I don't know < 1594411310 404635 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you mean by automatic character set conversion? any Hollerith card reader does that, because there are 12 holes but the reader encodes them in an Ebcdic byte that has less than 12 bits. MIX just uses an encoding to a character code that isn't used elsewhere. < 1594411331 683332 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but MIX doesn't use EBCDIC. < 1594411360 728297 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses a similar encoding that is easy to encode or decode between Hollerith cards, at least on a decimal MIX < 1594411384 235155 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for letters and numbers, bottom hole encodes the second digit, top hole if any encodes first digit < 1594411411 156207 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it differs because EBCDIC is an eight-bit encoding and MIX has six-bit bytes < 1594411426 697656 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and EBCDIC has a shitton of variants, like ASCII has a lot of ISO-646-* variants < 1594411462 877376 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIX character code probaly has variants with different printers printing different ones, and possibly for Hollerith cards too < 1594411489 159031 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since some codes don't correspond to characters, or correspond to characters that not all card readers or card punchers or printers or teletypes can read/write < 1594411538 127024 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why the two different version of what two of the three greek characters in the character sets are isn't necessarily a bug, there may be MIX printers with different characters of the corresponding head or place of the head < 1594411566 76477 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like how 8-bit computers have video cards with different accented characters in some places by different ROMs < 1594411606 247947 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 8-bit BASIC-based personal computers where instead of @ they display an É or something < 1594411627 432692 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to write PRINTÉ instead of PRINT@ to write to a text file < 1594411652 639916 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the difference isn't in how BASIC works, just what character is shown on the monitor < 1594411908 17267 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think how some of the punctuations are encoded in MIX are not a standard card code, nor is the encoding of spaces matching codes of punch cards < 1594411958 425310 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is that even for punctuation that all MIX card readers are required to be able to read? < 1594411990 803045 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not remember, unfortunately. But, I suppose that is a valid point. < 1594412056 318769 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, crap, my lip is swollen. If this worsense too much doesn't improve soon enough, I'll have to go to a weekend doctor or dentist, which always sucks. < 1594412070 661413 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It started to swell during the afternoon. < 1594412334 370528 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the swelling is moving around my lip, counterclockwise when viewed from the font < 1594412337 526134 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the front < 1594412769 740796 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1594415131 390947 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594415256 140844 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594415748 375983 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1594416049 204106 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594416232 718356 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the swelling worsens a lot, then I'll need a night dentist/doctor, which is even worse < 1594416249 273230 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's true for just about any condition that may need a weekend doctor < 1594417651 742465 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a M:tG card that gives both you and the opponent an advantageous effect, but one of you get to choose who gets which one? < 1594417717 957970 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but, maybe, make up such a card. > 1594418435 848051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eval14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75805&oldid=73752 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+99) 10 > 1594418460 23291 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75806&oldid=75722 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+11) 10 > 1594419198 272377 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dotlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75807&oldid=75720 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+64) 10/* Examples */ < 1594419667 862032 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594420849 844503 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594421005 932624 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1594421017 619230 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1594421374 757172 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1594421393 982329 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1594421532 954762 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Ping timeout: 606 seconds < 1594422160 100278 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1594422165 159949 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1594422265 799840 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1594424271 395302 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07*brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75808&oldid=34061 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10knil > 1594424321 226414 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07From INTERCAL to LOLCODE: The Esoteric Programming Story14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75809&oldid=35160 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+3) 10nolc > 1594424370 67634 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keta14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75810&oldid=69685 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-193) 10stub template > 1594424411 700018 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75811&oldid=69692 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+10) 10 > 1594424448 235376 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75812&oldid=75685 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+40) 10/* yrotsiH */ > 1594424463 452298 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75813&oldid=75812 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-1) 10fix/* =yrotsiH */ > 1594424564 129711 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Jelly14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75814&oldid=49881 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+92) 10inter wiki < 1594424774 583649 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594424793 269078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1594424795 259165 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:817) i wrote a better version once but it was broken \ 77) (still, whatever possessed anyone to invent the N-Gage?) < 1594424803 357554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1594424806 269422 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:tc//Tc is the abbreviation for Technetium, an element so sophisticated that it does not exist naturally. \ j//J started out as a synonym for I, but then branched out into an array of other uses. \ internationale//You have been reported to the House Un-American Activities Committee. \ boredome//The Boredome is a dangerous place swarming with woodpeckers, dentists, and bookworms. \ stume//A stume cowears and goatears you. That is t < 1594424810 503375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1594424811 738774 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:he main reason why the often look so ackward. < 1594424856 977170 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1594425375 607565 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[077Basic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75815&oldid=65115 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+45) 10(Cat and bold and link and fix_hw)() > 1594425400 533603 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07High Rise14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75816&oldid=58740 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10Link > 1594425472 286151 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[076ix14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75817&oldid=69810 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+8) 10Link bold > 1594425527 615400 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[075-logic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75818&oldid=20653 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+27) 10Cat < 1594427350 914333 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1594448730 326441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Schlock Mercenary is borrowing from Lord of the Rings now? :-) > 1594448867 190589 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Temporary Stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75837&oldid=75836 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+99) 10 > 1594449203 677243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75838&oldid=75831 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+75) 10/* Implementations */ < 1594449376 572201 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1594449513 91731 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594450285 169785 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1594450651 251063 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like PDF and DjVu, so I wrote my own specification at http://sprunge.us/WIUtPk with my own ideas about how to make up a improved format. < 1594450752 500001 :deschutron!~deschutro@2406:3400:512:c8c0:2d8:61ff:fe2e:ce6a PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it's a start. < 1594450772 148669 :deschutron!~deschutro@2406:3400:512:c8c0:2d8:61ff:fe2e:ce6a PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you like to better than PDF and DjVu? < 1594450851 665236 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, read what I wrote and you can see how is better, I hope. < 1594451064 628526 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like a bit more explanation about what aspects of PDF and DjVu are considered problematic (also, insert XKCD Standards comic here) < 1594451222 603719 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, PDF is just really messy, I think. < 1594451276 153694 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are other things not very good with it. DjVu is better in many ways, but it has its own problems. < 1594451346 297797 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the features I described in my document are based on features in PDF and DjVu, although they are made improved. < 1594451381 816934 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, it is a raster format to be able to use compression to encode the same picture at multiple resolutions (you can also encode only one resolution, if wanted). < 1594451591 24361 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like how annotation highlighting works in PDF and DjVu, and as far as I can tell in DjVu there is the ambiguity of whether a number refers to a page number or a page name; my own specification avoids this ambiguity. < 1594452330 17708 :bangyen!6c1cb4d2@pool-108-28-180-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1594453705 910633 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594454131 696667 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: look at this view: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/ssr-fire-exit.png < 1594454164 641443 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I don't think I've reached that yet < 1594454189 163230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Did you restart? < 1594454189 539225 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: you're on that area to the north > 1594454195 968583 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Spare Change14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75839 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (+780) 10Created ny first esolang! WIP < 1594454198 180375 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: afraid so < 1594454212 173748 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems easier the second time < 1594454246 593787 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: so you may have seen that blue tower to the far left < 1594454257 989573 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: that's where the sausage to unlock the area will be < 1594454289 165865 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can see where the sausage goes as wel) < 1594454291 196948 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*well. < 1594454332 244072 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: though I wouldn't have had to... SSR keeps savegames after each completed level. < 1594454341 682065 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So loading the one at 110 points would've worked. < 1594454372 449134 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure about the blue tower, i don't remember that < 1594454478 432590 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: well I'm sure you can reach it, if the 105 point number is correct. < 1594454494 727681 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe you've just not explored this far < 1594454509 567567 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1594454620 747478 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :bought physical manuals for the PDP-11 and VAX. I think I've got too absorbed with emulating them > 1594454775 283701 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Efghij14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75840&oldid=47121 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (+83) 10A new object < 1594454938 940125 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1594454972 5741 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Efghij14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75841&oldid=75840 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (+22) 10Added category < 1594458240 438948 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594458264 250084 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: what? why do you need physical manuals? < 1594458295 798175 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :why /not/? < 1594458314 173245 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... how thick are they?\ < 1594458343 806419 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how much of that describes hardware repairs that you don't have to do in emulation < 1594458375 137144 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that big, the VAX and PDP-11 Architecture Handbooks < 1594458399 706556 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :the VAX-11/780 Maintenance handbook is thick, but it's not exactly a "how 2 repair" guidebook < 1594458409 799967 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's entirely documentation < 1594458480 325219 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a ton of them for about $2.5 a book so not exactly a bad deal < 1594458500 108231 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you have seen the PDP-11 emulator that is an appendix to the IOCCC 2018/mills entry, right? < 1594458509 152421 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case you want to emulate it in an awkward way < 1594458512 586683 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1594458518 759699 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thanks, VAX is a mess as it is < 1594458560 427949 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that is a PDP-11 emulator, not a VAX emulator < 1594458590 603071 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only need to do a subset of the PDP-11 < 1594458594 613046 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the whole thing < 1594458603 868213 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :(VAX has a PDP-11 compat mode) < 1594459469 152002 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594459679 986391 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594460889 958166 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1594460892 336937 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:964) it's such a shame the inventor of lisp was um ok i give up \ 265) I've only watched bad movies about video game. I enjoyed every second of it. < 1594460896 284247 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: . < 1594460896 606973 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: i hate vine at each other? other than the usualy fnord. most superheroes start by getting: fnord and settings/ js/ fnord mission editor thingy was creating lots of tables.) < 1594460972 936131 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`8ball is it? < 1594460974 9112 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't count on it. < 1594463561 217281 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1594464107 35279 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594464153 728371 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1594464187 230807 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1594465330 230923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1594467405 634105 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594471346 10343 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1594471400 196250 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1594476221 155649 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594477006 202119 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594477341 951013 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1594477574 210771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1594479891 406030 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Inxanedesu 5* 10New user account < 1594481131 142976 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594481268 816931 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-6-58.79c806.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594481555 595211 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594481579 983004 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594484044 239090 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594484132 596166 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1594486485 995607 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594487516 614916 :spruit11!~unknown@86.82.44.193 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594488509 205807 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally started writing a specification for a SAT solver :o < 1594488511 452620 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594488590 650271 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :was dumping ideas to a friend who wanted to write game rules for their backgammon impl declaratively and ended up with something in this vein < 1594489130 494855 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you have several user-specified types, some of which are iterable and others are “too big”, then you have user-specified primitive predicates with functional dependencies between their arguments specified, and finally user can define other predicates using these, boolean ops and ∀, ∃ and ∀! (and ∃! but for tic-tac-toe I ended up not using this one), where ∀!x. e means “∀x and it’s known statically that there are < 1594489130 640620 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more than one x such that e” < 1594489130 640684 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, for each n-ary predicate, there exist 2^n potential implementations which take some arguments and iterate over tuples of remaining arguments which satisfy the predicate. The user can specify only some of them for the primitives, and they also should specify all kinds of goals they may want. Then the thing should compile all the necessary implementations or signal when there is no, including the case if a type needs to be iterated but < 1594489130 640716 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : declared too big < 1594489163 407658 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that’s pretty complex at this state and I don’t want to implement even a draft < 1594489408 238480 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up advicing to investigate an existing SAT solver with bindings for the chosen language (which is Common Lisp) < 1594489477 205096 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like lisp < 1594489751 775886 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, also I saw partial-functional dependencies are maybe even more useful than the “total-functional” ones, as for example there can be no winner for a position, but there is certanly no more than one, or there is no more than one possible move for each position (in tic-tac-toe, and that proven itself a good example to flesh the specification out and to investigate how it can be compiled concret < 1594489788 674381 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I mixed two different position senses < 1594489835 655979 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the first it means the full state of the board and in the second a board is given and what we’re choosing is a place on it > 1594490644 522525 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Spare Change14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75842&oldid=75839 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-3) 10 < 1594490994 531743 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594491019 162079 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1594492791 824670 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594494152 749913 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:#esoteric > 1594502558 91180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Canismajoriswiki 5* 10New user account < 1594502852 459275 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594503069 897231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75846&oldid=75723 5* 03Canismajoriswiki 5* (+270) 10 > 1594503380 169259 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MindReadingFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75847&oldid=73463 5* 03Canismajoriswiki 5* (+79) 10 < 1594507319 978447 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594507493 68579 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1594507499 56667 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1594509065 326970 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1594510288 932558 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Kov14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75848&oldid=68260 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+33) 10/* In algorithmic information theory (a subfield of computer science), the Kolmogorov complexity of an object, such as a piece of text, is a measure of the computational resources needed to specify the object. */ < 1594510722 892880 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1594512456 333490 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keys14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75849&oldid=62183 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+100) 10 < 1594512944 881944 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594512977 988154 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594513005 171446 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594513727 579452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594513803 876157 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594514724 903084 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594518310 103615 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594518786 156286 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594518821 18863 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1594519495 388088 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594521526 519156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75850&oldid=75845 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+30) 10/* Implementations */ < 1594522418 327196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Ah, now I agree that thinking of this algorithm as picking a permutation is obviously better. < 1594522916 610212 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594526005 588309 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Book Mill {4} Artifact ;; Whenever you mill, if ~ is untapped, you gain that much life. ;; {4}: Mill 2 cards, and then put a card from your graveyard on the bottom of your library. This ability cannot be used if ~ is tapped. ;; Cycling {2} < 1594526601 748546 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: My thinking was, the algorithm makes P(n,k) choices (permutations, k out of n), so if it's correct then there should be a bijection of runs to these permutations. < 1594526707 898157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Right, once I thought that I realized it must be a permutation algorithm. < 1594526725 744080 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFwHazFAPok (Nakamura plays Minesweeper) is a drinking game... count the number of times Nakamura says "last one"... < 1594526733 216185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what one that makes P(n,k)/k! choices would look like. < 1594526804 981402 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, hard to imagine, at least if those choices are supposed to be uniform. < 1594526831 25100 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Pokemon Pinball game, too many points can be earned in the Mewtwo stage. So, to avoid that, I play the Mewtwo stage without touching the flippers; you can try that if you want to. < 1594526838 433591 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(non-uniformly you can break it down to binary choices which is relatively easy... pick the first element or not, unless forced) < 1594526884 474539 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which actually exists as an algorithm: to select k elements out of n, pick the first element with probability k/n, then proceed. < 1594526951 714485 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently in 2012 I posted " < 1594526951 821681 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can elephants juggle more than seven chainsaws?", and then made a comment about googling the entire question. That chat log is now the only result. < 1594526956 24129 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is uniform in the end but relies on a non-uniform choice internally.) < 1594526994 888137 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My best first guess would be Triangle and Robert quote) < 1594527285 879855 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, there was a cute term for google queries with unique results... can't remember :-( > 1594527306 508592 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07High Rise14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75851&oldid=75816 5* 03Ais523 5* (+18) 10/* See also */ mention [[Spiral Rise]], the new and improved version of this language < 1594527332 128289 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatedly ohnorobot (comic search engine) is dead. < 1594527411 995658 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just the embed on T&R > 1594527732 232746 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Re:direction14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75852&oldid=75774 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1) 10/* Computational class */ punct > 1594528169 906351 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75853&oldid=74306 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+96) 10/* Easy */ > 1594529815 603938 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75854&oldid=75137 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+158) 10/* Turing-Completeness */ > 1594530332 403938 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75855&oldid=75854 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+191) 10/* Turing-Completeness */ > 1594530395 343917 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75856&oldid=75855 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+78) 10/* Turing-Completeness */ < 1594530656 395608 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the discouraging thing about trying to make C(n,k) choices uniformly when sampling combinations is that C(n,k) factors awkwardly. Things like... C(49,7) is divisible by 7, but C(56,7) is not... < 1594530732 755822 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm inclined to believe that there's no natural way to do this. < 1594532668 607614 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1594535029 967719 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Magic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75857&oldid=58724 5* 03JimmyChaos 5* (+21) 10Added the category "thematic" < 1594535130 534457 :miracle2511!~miracle25@2405:4800:5a8f:1e32:7a06:b3b3:a349:5d19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594535156 478602 :miracle2511!~miracle25@2405:4800:5a8f:1e32:7a06:b3b3:a349:5d19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, is there any good C11 book for beginners? < 1594535587 186296 :miracle2511!~miracle25@2405:4800:5a8f:1e32:7a06:b3b3:a349:5d19 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1594536022 197869 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Spare Change14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75858&oldid=75842 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (+187) 10Add New Commands > 1594537135 191760 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Spare Change14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75859&oldid=75858 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (+321) 10Added jumping and ifs > 1594537193 750485 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Spare Change14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75860&oldid=75859 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (+4) 10/* The Commands */ > 1594537315 109447 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Spare Change14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75861&oldid=75860 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (+23) 10Added category > 1594538045 545580 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[076-514]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75862 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (+330) 10New Article! > 1594538111 403137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[076-514]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75863&oldid=75862 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (+12) 10Added a list > 1594538140 69572 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[076-514]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75864&oldid=75863 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (+0) 10/* Instructions */ < 1594538189 477364 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps, in TeXnicard the possibility should be added for change sets to be digitally signed. < 1594539072 765971 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( TeXnicard is, surprisingly, neither vaporware nor written in SQLite. ) > 1594539235 290707 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07APL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75865&oldid=24136 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+1276) 10copied from [[Prehistory of esoteric programming languages]] > 1594539351 430666 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75866 5* 03D 5* (+564) 10Created page with "[[DDuuaall]] is a language invented by [[User:A]], inspired by [https://github.com/JonoCode9374/Vyxal Vyxal]'s zipmap. == I/O Specifications == There's implicit input, but you..." > 1594539356 486301 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07APL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75867&oldid=75865 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+97) 10+categories < 1594539370 226760 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, TeXnicard uses SQLite, although it is mostly written in C; some parts are written in PostScript, though. < 1594539444 500692 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly is TeXnicard. < 1594539464 883802 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strive to have a project that I'm passionate about as long as you've been passionate/talkative about TeXnicard. > 1594539485 862569 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75868&oldid=75866 5* 03D 5* (+346) 10 < 1594539515 975616 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Fossil repository can be found at: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/texnicard.ui Have you used Magic Set Editor or similar software? TeXnicard is an alternative program. < 1594539572 372236 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not. < 1594539577 153267 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't even know what that is. < 1594539582 514596 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Fossil repository also has a description of it, and also includes full documentation and full source codes, so that you can see its working.) < 1594539604 366869 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be used to make cards for card games such as Magic: the Gathering. > 1594539615 704636 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75869&oldid=75868 5* 03D 5* (+370) 10/* Hello, World! */ < 1594539708 5189 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that help to explain it? Do you like to make up any custom cards for Magic: the Gathering? < 1594539769 971859 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't, but that's neat! really neat. < 1594539858 4157 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about other card games? < 1594539925 710873 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don < 1594539929 359963 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :*don't play card games. < 1594539932 235646 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are, as far as I know, two other alternatives to MSE as well, although I do not know much about them.) < 1594539943 41265 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: O, OK. > 1594539974 388007 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07APL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75870&oldid=75867 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+374) 10 > 1594540007 648861 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75871&oldid=75869 5* 03D 5* (+566) 10 > 1594540026 144536 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Timeline of golfing languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75872&oldid=64652 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+8) 10 > 1594540051 286984 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Prehistory of esoteric programming languages14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75873&oldid=73001 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+4) 10/* APL */ < 1594540297 322155 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In writing TeXnicard, I found a bug in Ghostscript with the printobject and writeobject commands, which I have managed to fix, so if you use those commands and you use Ghostscript, then maybe you might find this patch useful. < 1594540384 723919 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The bug can be fixed without recompiling Ghostscript, since the patch is implemented purely in PostScript.) < 1594540533 740947 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know anyone who is interested in my software, see if they would like to see it and/or to help with it. > 1594540715 416946 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07APL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75874&oldid=75870 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+266) 10 > 1594540935 19391 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vafix14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75875&oldid=67565 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+4) 10 > 1594540988 816399 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07J-bot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75876&oldid=67393 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+23) 10 > 1594541014 949120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vafix14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75877&oldid=75875 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+22) 10 > 1594541043 233956 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07APL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75878&oldid=75874 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+22) 10 > 1594541050 377358 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Jelly14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75879&oldid=75814 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+22) 10 > 1594541113 849293 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Category:APL-like14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75880 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+22) 10Created page with "[[Category:Languages]]" > 1594541137 750852 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07APL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75881&oldid=75878 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+23) 10 > 1594541204 225334 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Inca14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75882&oldid=40996 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+25) 10 > 1594541251 469550 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Multi-Set Manipulator14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75883&oldid=75711 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+4) 10 > 1594541321 253747 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ParScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75884&oldid=34958 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+4) 10/* Description */ > 1594541355 297950 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Arity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75885&oldid=71443 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+4) 10 > 1594541773 481233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LYaPAS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75886&oldid=25396 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+26) 10 > 1594541802 467931 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unilinear14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75887&oldid=23222 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+4) 10/* History */ < 1594541892 450189 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, software infelicity of the day? mplayer has a -softvol option that causes volume is adjusted in software. but when playing multiple file, the volume is reset between files :-/ < 1594542110 463230 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have to specify the -softvol option for each file, then? > 1594542145 567289 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75888&oldid=75745 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+4) 10/* APL */ < 1594542235 48372 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no it means I have to use -volume if I want to use -softvol and adjust the volume to something other than the default, rather than adjusting the volume on the fly using the / and * keys. > 1594542242 814362 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07APL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75889&oldid=75881 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+56) 10 > 1594542296 580633 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Category:196214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75890 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+18) 10Created page with "[[Category:Years]]" < 1594542374 290511 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should think that if you adjust the volume while it is playing, it ought to keep the setting when the next file is played, at least by default. < 1594542422 722047 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it doesn't. > 1594544033 273865 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Bauripalash 5* 10New user account > 1594544636 626846 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75891&oldid=75846 5* 03Bauripalash 5* (+300) 10Added my introduction < 1594544793 75264 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1594545032 999565 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MewMew14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75892 5* 03Bauripalash 5* (+144) 10Added first edits < 1594545169 928827 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1594545352 532475 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MewMew14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75893&oldid=75892 5* 03Bauripalash 5* (+4) 10 < 1594545814 526709 :ondroed_!~fake_arse@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1594545865 371715 :ondroed_!~fake_arse@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot do you have a stable irc access on your phone? < 1594545865 586818 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :ondroed_: that's already null terminated, isn't it? you can just try to keep it < 1594545881 556874 :ondroed_!~fake_arse@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops wrong nick < 1594545914 544151 :ondroed_!~fake_arse@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru NICK :fake_arseniiv < 1594546041 768854 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thing those awful disconnects of old should have been the work of the old router. I don't see any this time < 1594546108 323713 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll be able to spam here while not home, finally < 1594546402 707918 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp (Complex 0 (2 * pi)) < 1594546404 996229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1594546404 996282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Data constructor not in scope: Complex :: Integer -> Double -> a < 1594546499 68373 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp (Complex 0.0 (2 * pi)) < 1594546500 912255 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1594546501 20935 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Data constructor not in scope: Complex :: Double -> Double -> a < 1594546519 741974 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, now I see < 1594546569 925360 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have seen from the start, actually. No Num constraints etc. < 1594546588 252502 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Quit: Bye > 1594546591 792171 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[076-514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75894&oldid=75864 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+1) 10 < 1594546603 858537 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1594546621 584103 :fake_arseniiv!~fake_arse@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Client Quit < 1594547834 374930 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594549788 730457 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp (0.0 :+ (2 * pi)) < 1594549790 376164 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 :+ (-2.4492935982947064e-16) > 1594550386 69152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75895&oldid=75871 5* 03A 5* (+757) 10 < 1594550553 588411 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594550736 965471 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1594550738 559302 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75896&oldid=75895 5* 03A 5* (+604) 10 < 1594550742 496417 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1594550945 935163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75897&oldid=75896 5* 03A 5* (+539) 10 > 1594551177 726085 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75898&oldid=75897 5* 03A 5* (+158) 10/* Special Arity Rules */ < 1594552685 993851 :spruit11!~unknown@86.82.44.193 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1594552705 154740 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1594553240 278585 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric > 1594553542 962985 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DIVCON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75899&oldid=75101 5* 03A 5* (+69) 10/* Instruction list */ < 1594553903 745437 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: shachaf: do SAT or SMT solvers usually have means to iterate all possible solutions, not just give a single model if one exists? < 1594553969 354171 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait lambdabot haven’t said I have messages :\ < 1594554010 100727 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cpressey wow this sounds interesting! but I haven’t understood what it means yet < 1594554010 100777 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1594554109 432465 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: the latter. one reason is that enumeration doesn't work well with restarts (which the solvers tend to do... a lot) < 1594554179 507403 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thank you! < 1594554191 787556 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: but they often have an incremental mode, where you can alternate between checking satisfiability (with model) and adding new constraints. So if there are few models you can rule out the ones you've seen with an additional constraint and continue. < 1594554215 164936 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, this works well for checking uniqueness of solutions of puzzles. < 1594554280 633240 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is there a way to enumerate all possible moves for a given position in e. g. checkers or backgammon? < 1594554326 394692 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe an advanced SMT solver language may express it directly?.. and you have a single solution which contains the list of moves < 1594554333 333069 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1594554380 611563 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then my Prolog-esque (and totally unimplemented) thing may be a better solution as I feared < 1594554397 408323 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I say "nah" but really I just don't know of anything like this. < 1594554431 906486 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does sound more like Prolog. Answer set programming may be relevant, I never figured out what that is exactly. < 1594554473 546634 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer set programming, haven’t heard about that yet > 1594556132 348394 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MewMew14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75900&oldid=75893 5* 03Bauripalash 5* (+626) 10added infobox > 1594556321 480610 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MewMew14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75901&oldid=75900 5* 03Bauripalash 5* (-26) 10Fixed code examples > 1594556514 743160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MewMew14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75902&oldid=75901 5* 03Bauripalash 5* (+84) 10Added Github Repo Link < 1594557929 572167 :punker-_!~punker-_@37.172.242.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594558533 537583 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594558549 182060 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594558988 483147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I think there are all sorts of tricks for model counting, but if you're just using a regular solver and not looking for a large number, you usually do the thing int-e said. < 1594559065 939428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/marijnheule/allsat is a modification of minisat that does it automatically. < 1594559092 717193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also added this to my solver.) < 1594559199 558092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering extending the input format to let you mark which variables are important, so it would only negate those. < 1594559219 416694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But so far I'm not using encodings that have this problem. > 1594559339 222962 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DIVCON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75903&oldid=75899 5* 03A 5* (-13) 10/* Instruction list */ < 1594559389 210230 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: interesting > 1594559695 441637 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DIVCON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75904&oldid=75903 5* 03A 5* (+52) 10/* Explanation */ < 1594559804 122730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wonder how much disabling restarts is worth for model counting. < 1594559820 80604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not that much? Hmm. < 1594563534 380690 :punker-_!~punker-_@37.172.242.99 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594563763 390472 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594567548 171986 :deschutron!~deschutro@2406:3400:512:c8c0:2d8:61ff:fe2e:ce6a QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594567701 179338 :deschutron!~deschutro@183.25.70.115.static.exetel.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1594568114 560937 :struct!~deschutro@183.25.70.115.static.exetel.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1594568120 157849 :deschutron!~deschutro@183.25.70.115.static.exetel.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594568721 694944 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594572776 927838 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :a book has some strange vocabulary: (a module or an algebra) “reduces to zero”, “isomorphy” < 1594572903 108071 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp (0.0 :+ (2 * pi)) -- arseniiv: < 1594572906 185299 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 :+ (-2.4492935982947064e-16) < 1594572952 998808 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: thanks, though my mermory is short < 1594572994 579817 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I wrote in Haskell more regularly, I’d should known it by heart < 1594573070 45218 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: in that case, try the documentation: https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/7.6.3/docs/html/libraries/base-4.6.0.1/Data-Complex.html https://www.haskell.org/onlinereport/haskell2010/haskellch17.html#x25-21800017 < 1594573099 367041 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not perfect, but they forget less < 1594573110 278985 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, did you have a question about J and did you get an answer for it? < 1594573113 882586 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: thank you :′) < 1594573118 815657 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more like, do you still have a J question? < 1594573144 467923 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll AFK for 90 minutes so I won't answer immediately, just wondering < 1594573145 112753 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually search in there with hoogle anyway, I just wrote from the phone that time :D < 1594573167 260696 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, did you have a question about J and did you get an answer for it? => hm I think no < 1594573214 180662 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I don’t remember what of my questions might have been related to J…(??) < 1594573479 447317 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check the logs, it was probably someone else then < 1594575112 634828 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that Heirloom-mailx allows specifying pipes in many cases where a filename is expected. Why don't many other programs do things like that? < 1594576188 887497 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1594576802 179239 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: because they have forgotten their roots < 1594576830 285878 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or assume that /dev/stdin and /dev/stdout is available on the system and it's thus not-their-problem) < 1594576880 454159 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest I suspect it'd be more of a problem if shells were more configurable in regards to complex pipelines < 1594576886 435391 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :t20kdc: For non-interactive software, using stdin/stdout works fine, but many programs have an interactive mode. < 1594576897 504262 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Heirloom-mailx is interactive.) < 1594576913 414082 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: then... if pipes are being specified, how? < 1594576978 862292 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the case of Heirloom-mailx, when you tell it to save attachments, it will ask you for the filename for each one (with the default filename filled in, but it can be removed); if you write something starting with | then you can specify a pipe instead. < 1594576994 598918 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example, you can write |display to display a picture.) < 1594577000 45808 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh, I see < 1594577063 667703 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems specific to interactive terminal applications, but when that is the case, that definitely sounds useful < 1594577088 247103 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking you meant in terms of non-interactive applications, which definitely have a problem with complex pipeline routing < 1594577115 170104 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, the solution seems to be "more mkfifo" < 1594577138 732933 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which is not very universally applicable < 1594577770 368756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1594578291 444037 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594579957 408576 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594580896 652752 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Category:196210]]": early esolangs are grouped into [[Category:Before 1993]] > 1594580928 302409 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07APL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75905&oldid=75889 5* 03Ais523 5* (+7) 10cat < 1594581218 889957 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you call a linear combination with zero weight sum? < 1594581244 941690 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I heard “neutral combination” but I’m not sure at all < 1594581862 136965 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1594581920 446541 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1594582749 371012 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1594583338 882301 :yonderboi!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1594583873 395419 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.107 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594584272 70813 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1594584521 940512 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1594585480 973462 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1594585578 906361 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1594585957 986886 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1594585979 935067 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1594586389 76098 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Polynomial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75906&oldid=30380 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-1067) 10 > 1594586459 424305 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75907&oldid=75625 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-1367) 10/* Polynomial */ > 1594586520 958419 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75908&oldid=75907 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+27) 10/* PlusOrMinus */ < 1594586628 605083 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, t20kdc: my opinion is that most of the things that you want to do with pipes you can already do with shell piplines and the other shell feature (foo <(bar)), then you should probably use a regular file, and that people should trust that OSes handle temporary regular files efficiently these days. < 1594586680 996416 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on the other hand, for interactive programs like ed or vim, it probably does make sense to add commands to read/write from piped command lines, so that might apply in the case you mentioned originally > 1594587021 781381 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75909&oldid=75908 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+157) 10 > 1594588176 250607 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Polynomial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75910&oldid=75906 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+1747) 10 > 1594588268 373718 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75911&oldid=75850 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+18) 10/* Implementations */ < 1594588414 477749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594589136 817552 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594589306 165646 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594589312 927230 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1594589692 989587 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: For non-interactive programs, you are certainly correct; you can use the shell features. < 1594589756 991212 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interactive programs that support specifying piped commands do include ed and vim, as well as Heirloom-mailx, and some programs I wrote myself (such as bystand, and the interactive mode of TeXnicard), but many newer programs unfortunately don't support such thing. < 1594589853 425560 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as most interactive editors < 1594589901 612413 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, it can help for domain-specific programming languages too, TeX has such an extension these days < 1594589918 448563 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when they're not interactive < 1594589937 230617 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :general purpose programming languages of course already have such a feature, and I do use it often < 1594589981 698204 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even found out that Windows 7 uses a tiny pipe buffer by default, and if you want to send large amounts of data through a pipe with performance, you have to increase it with a system call < 1594589991 557597 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although TeX does have an interactive mode too. Ghostscript also provides the %pipe% device which is a nonstandard extension to PostScript, and Ghostscript also has an interactive mode (which is a standard feature of PostScript, actually). < 1594589993 152501 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux has changed to a larger default buffer a while ago now < 1594590017 896164 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, I mean for TeX the popen extension is useful even without the interactive mode < 1594590035 72502 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is useful even without the interactive mode. < 1594590077 744514 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used popens to ffmpeg and to qhull at work < 1594590099 144199 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ffplay, ffprobe, and imagemagick < 1594590115 18848 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably more < 1594590125 748792 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't ffplay part of ffmpeg? < 1594590127 851933 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, also a popen to gnuplot < 1594590136 332061 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, ffmpeg and ffprobe are the two other programs in ffmpeg < 1594590144 298030 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I popened all three, and ffmpeg both for reading and for writing < 1594590164 486650 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you specify a pipe in TeX? < 1594590192 907268 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also gnuplot, I wrote a weird development visualization program where I draw an animation with gnuplot, but control playback and settings real time with keystrokes on a command-line driver program < 1594590204 257850 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't remember < 1594590225 407182 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's some kind of extension, not in Knuth's master version < 1594590286 404435 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I thought so < 1594590504 185115 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best would probably be an extension to the syntax for filenames, since then it is still really TeX; some other extensions aren't TeX < 1594590519 809481 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's possible that I was wrong, and it can only run shell commands, rather than popen them, and the man page says it has to do with \write18 < 1594590543 296841 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't looked up in detail how that works < 1594590556 262148 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably in one of the documentations installed with TeXlive and typeset with tex < 1594590661 126781 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think I read that too, but it isn't very good and it contradicts the specification of TeX. (Being able to use pipes would be more useful though, that only to run shell commands.) < 1594590750 935688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think it contradicts the specs, as it's optional and connected to a \write handle that a format could open by default, so it's like modifying a format < 1594590773 190664 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will never be the default because of security reasons < 1594590779 462379 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the problem (at least last time I checked) is a bug that occurs when that feature is disabled. < 1594590786 717915 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1594590802 87927 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If that bug didn't occur, then it would be OK, I think.) < 1594590832 723217 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the details of that bug, but I think it has to do with testing EOF. < 1594591200 336451 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another bug is that if \write18 is disabled, then it should act the same as \write19, but instead it writes an error message to the log file. < 1594592974 70038 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594593073 468767 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1594593132 17065 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Quittin'. < 1594593211 776090 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1594593833 690674 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594593965 873581 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1594593965 873645 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1594594611 730462 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a different idea how to do it, which would probably result in a more useful way anyways, which is that \write18 writes the text to the log file and also copies the text into an internal buffer. If you then try to open the file called ::pipe for reading or writing, then it executes the command stored in the internal buffer and allows reading/writing the pipe. < 1594594742 609035 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you could try to implement some of that as a patch < 1594594766 197379 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeXlive is open source < 1594594869 534689 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I could do. < 1594594994 463474 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Other similar extensions would also be possible, such as ::sql to be able to deal with SQL databases.) < 1594595101 487085 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you use \write as the interface, then pipes are probably universal enough, because anything external that you may want to access by just writing text into a pipe you want as an external program so you can use it for things other than TeX, including an SQL interface < 1594595114 593343 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you implement extensions, they can use something other than a \write interface > 1594595453 903463 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75912&oldid=75911 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+62) 10 > 1594595601 346839 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lightlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75913&oldid=70266 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+79) 10 > 1594595612 732057 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lightlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75914&oldid=75913 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-2) 10 < 1594595623 882131 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594595928 796982 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question. What are the most popular video games where you play a member of a D&D-style small adventuring party, where other members of that party are played by the computer, and this happens in a symmetrical way, in that depending on your choices, you could play different characters in a similar adventuring groups, so at least two members are potentially PCs, and this is a primary mode, not something < 1594595934 725009 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :badly tacked on to a multiplayer game? < 1594595937 465842 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This doesn't restrict the genre too much. < 1594596107 641437 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they can; they could also be new commands. However there is the possibility that you might not want to change other stuff since it would be incompatible with other implementations of TeX, since some file might expect the working certain ways. (What I proposed pretty much guarantees that everything else continues to work, even if the extension isn't disabled. < 1594596128 876726 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The two problems with the existing \write18 is that it seems to be write-only, and furthermore even if that feature is disabled, it doesn't work properly.) < 1594596146 869468 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Do you have examples of such game (even if they are not so popular or well known)? < 1594596432 298427 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know any examples, or at least can't think of any < 1594596446 500281 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't play many such adventuring games < 1594596455 213011 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even ones where you control the whole party > 1594597935 89761 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lightlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75915&oldid=75914 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+784) 10/* Examples */ < 1594598290 910022 :adu!~ajr@2601:155:4302:5390::b36f JOIN :#esoteric < 1594598312 949722 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1594598331 211095 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1594599424 920450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1594600139 350258 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1594601169 189160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07APL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75916&oldid=75905 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+4) 10/* Example code */ < 1594601742 393768 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1594601746 347576 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1594601793 802605 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lightlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75917&oldid=75915 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+46) 10/* Hello, world! */ > 1594602269 196990 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Game of Life14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75918&oldid=57564 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+253) 10 < 1594603831 521805 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of a idea of Magic: the Gathering card: Enchant permanent attached to another permanent ;; Enchanted permanent has totem armor. ;; Recover {2} But, I don't know what name or what mana cost. < 1594604462 577050 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyena Umbra costs a single white mana, so maybe it could even be free? Unless there's something super-broken about it that I'm not seeing... < 1594604775 114398 :struct!~deschutro@183.25.70.115.static.exetel.com.au QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594604926 659727 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cost is having to draw it at times when you don't have a suitable target < 1594605004 358402 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other options might be making it an equipment or giving it cycling < 1594605053 931925 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess it can't be an equipment exactly... < 1594605090 231482 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, cycling might be worth to add, or otherwise changing recover to other stuff < 1594605146 295115 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equipment doesn't work of course, but it can be attached to Equipment (if that Equipment is currently attached to a creature) < 1594605199 997502 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you wanted to make it an equipment you could have it attach to a creature and then target another permanent attached to that creature when equipped < 1594605226 168262 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's kinda awkward < 1594605238 639402 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but then it would be restricted to creatures that you control; it can't be used on stuff other than creatures or that you do not control. < 1594605242 450696 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just thinking it would be nice to be able to move it around in response to stuff < 1594605265 534340 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some cost < 1594605308 203953 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe. Possibly retrace instead of recover was the other idea I thought of > 1594605415 436910 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Losescript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75919&oldid=74822 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+59) 10 < 1594606385 919816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1594606837 960956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1594609200 576658 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 QUIT :Quit: I seem to have stopped. < 1594609291 743182 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1594610189 11213 :bangyen!6c1cb4d2@pool-108-28-180-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594610876 271487 :bangyen!6c1cb4d2@pool-108-28-180-210.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594611149 292716 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1594614691 312097 :adu!~ajr@2601:155:4302:5390::b36f QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! > 1594615501 374620 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[076-514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75920&oldid=75894 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (+372) 10New Instructions > 1594615559 703046 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[076-514]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75921&oldid=75920 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (+0) 10/* Instructions */ < 1594617210 561864 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1594618725 535756 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[076-514]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75922&oldid=75921 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (+574) 10Added hello world program > 1594618786 167607 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[076-514]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75923&oldid=75922 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (+8) 10/* Sample Programs */ > 1594619778 188325 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Suffolk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75924&oldid=20028 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+1638) 10 > 1594620360 838147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:6-514]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75925 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+184) 10Created page with "==Future Changes== Is it likely that the commands will change again? If not, I can write an interpreter. ~~~~" > 1594620407 62995 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75926&oldid=75912 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+15) 10/* Implementations */ > 1594620457 373961 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Suffolk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75927&oldid=75924 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+29) 10/* Hello, world! */ > 1594621533 562777 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Suffolk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75928&oldid=75927 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-2) 10 < 1594622945 846924 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, caught up with myself in SSR. Still no clue about the next level. < 1594623057 655575 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've found a list of levels. Apparently there are 86 in total. rain1's 105 sausages are around the 43 solved levels mark. I have 73. < 1594623090 998852 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should cheat and watch a solution video. This is annoying :) > 1594623402 300641 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Polynomial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75929&oldid=75910 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+262) 10 < 1594623532 998908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the level you're on? < 1594623552 112156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I didn't get as far as you, though. < 1594623690 517450 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-81.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1594623895 561063 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Backbone. https://www.speedrun.com/stephenssausageroll/individual_levels has a full list and the order is pretty forced around this point. < 1594623971 524034 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 174 sausages, which may be easier to compare. < 1594624053 993145 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The past dozen or so levels I've played have a forced order.) < 1594624549 933548 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1594624649 112388 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1594624952 117333 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF+BF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75930&oldid=73695 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+28) 10 > 1594625988 874639 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF+BF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75931&oldid=75930 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+194) 10 < 1594626013 382618 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many years ago, someone told me that Hewlett-Packard was going to change its name to Windows-Packard, but I think they haven't change it. The same person told me that "tvm" is German for "TV monitor". < 1594626091 733515 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a german, i have no idea what tvm is supposed to mean < 1594626269 520944 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not German, but I think probably "tvm" isn't a German word at all. < 1594626387 827814 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/TVM "Tunnelvortriebsmaschine" is good :-) < 1594626440 352727 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that is what it means in German (at least when it is written in uppercase letters). < 1594626441 362304 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds about as artificial as "tunnel advancement machine" < 1594626488 747611 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Honestly, no. I guess if you work in construction it may be, but I don't recall ever seeing that abbreviation... up until just now. < 1594626517 357063 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. < 1594626702 167480 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1594628411 610179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF+BF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75932&oldid=75931 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-6) 10 < 1594629895 248856 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594630238 79426 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594630382 902858 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594630983 430673 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Polynomial14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75933&oldid=75929 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+10) 10 > 1594631347 415606 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75934&oldid=74846 5* 03Sinthorion 5* (+329) 10/* Examples */ Added e.rui < 1594631883 248705 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1594631901 70085 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1594632281 931140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rui14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75935&oldid=75934 5* 03Sinthorion 5* (-4) 10Links to Daniel Cristofani < 1594633225 19985 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more SSR progress metrix, I'm at 54 minutes out of 1:17:33 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UAamG6cg5I < 1594633233 54810 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cs ->x < 1594633241 454808 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that saved a lot of typing effort < 1594633265 941799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1594634999 860757 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594635103 712240 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594635208 51080 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594637127 453781 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594637228 697137 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1594637298 214007 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1594638920 34783 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594639219 547986 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75936&oldid=74656 5* 03A 5* (+2) 10 < 1594639934 703603 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1594640415 515590 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Keta14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75937&oldid=75810 5* 03A 5* (+1) 10/* Chain Rules */ < 1594641546 891765 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric > 1594641715 368428 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EGSHEL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75938&oldid=74232 5* 03A 5* (-63) 10Isn't it prefix + infix (as per documentation)? < 1594643872 92418 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594643965 170528 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1594644995 794617 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys, some rubber duck style questions about designing a toy language that probably counts as esoteric. < 1594645192 628074 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :firstly, in this language, I probably want to allow functions with multiple return values, even though probably none of the builtins or functions in the standard library will really use multiple returns. this can still make sense, right? I think it can because (1) scheme does this, (2) multiple returns can still be useful in functions for a larger < 1594645193 223617 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :projects. < 1594645459 743585 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to think about how to define and how to use functions that return multiple values < 1594645540 286365 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if a function can return a varying number of values < 1594645795 144444 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes, I did think of both of that, and that's why I think multiple return value functions would be a good match for the core language of this esoteric language. eg. you can imagine a stack-based language: multiple returns are trivial since it can just return on the stack. my language is not stack-based, but it's also not one where you use < 1594645795 617336 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :algol/C-style nested parenthisized function calls, which is where multiple return values are hard. < 1594645821 421209 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple return values are also easy in a prolog-style language, where every intermediate result has a (local) name. < 1594645860 27541 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be easy or hard in a register-based low-level machine, depending on what sort of instructions you want. < 1594646799 186165 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have more questions, but I'm not sure how to ask them yet < 1594646799 968982 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: hi! I agree multiple returns, if done right, are fairly indispensable < 1594646800 72161 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :they simplify matters even in μ-recursive functions formalism < 1594646800 175178 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may depend on what kind of language you have, but yeah < 1594646864 805355 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594646865 136693 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594646884 606563 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might even remember that simplified formalism has function concatenation which takes N^n → N^m1 and N^n → N^m2 to N^n → N^(m1 + m2), and that composition there becomes just plain composition of two functions A → B → C because of allowing concatenation < 1594646891 348572 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1594646891 451605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1594647049 557600 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm have I dumped my version of it somewhere? I extended projection functions into very handy π_{i1 … im}(a1, …, an) = (a(i1), …, a(im)) with which you can now duplicate and permute values, not only project < 1594647132 869657 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t know why Manin haven’t seen this extension (I have seen the concatenative approach only in his writings so far), it lifts handiness further < 1594647398 292675 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1594647434 271025 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1594647446 996953 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1594653603 874110 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594653624 110823 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :petri nets are TC, right? are there known lower bounds that need to be present for that? < 1594653699 890874 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, is a petri net with only inhibitor arcs and transitions with 2 inputs and one output already tc? < 1594655822 798164 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1594656659 375591 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I was a bit interested in their languages and was pointed to Jörg P. Bachmann, Characterization of Petri Net Languages. Maybe that would be of some use < 1594656747 464917 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will have a look, thx < 1594656756 254242 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it seems there are only basic Petri nets discussed, no inhibitor arcs if I remember what they are < 1594656766 246482 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a small article < 1594656817 408480 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I never read it thoroughly < 1594659837 618166 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1594659876 910880 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594659918 587200 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594660033 267796 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1594661503 981243 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1594661650 310022 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainflak14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75939 5* 03Sinthorion 5* (+24) 10Redirected page to [[Brain-Flak]] < 1594662202 546627 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1594663923 400189 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-240.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1594664247 936593 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I figured out "The Backbone"... in retrospect, how did I ever get stuck on this one? < 1594664909 308300 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594665109 35152 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1594665913 792779 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Q14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75940&oldid=73167 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+140) 10 > 1594666091 111908 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07APL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75941&oldid=75916 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+17) 10/* Example code */ > 1594667811 627775 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Snowflake14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75942&oldid=74916 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+497) 10 > 1594668022 368520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Snowflake (Orisphera's edition)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75943&oldid=74641 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+13) 10 > 1594668139 553780 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75944&oldid=75926 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+43) 10 > 1594668836 758324 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitdeque14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75945&oldid=74395 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+1192) 10 < 1594670786 968907 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1594671705 830012 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitdeque14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75946&oldid=75945 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-53) 10 < 1594673473 366297 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody have any information on TRAC at all? > 1594674655 946039 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75947&oldid=75944 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+596) 10/* Implementations */ > 1594675082 340328 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75948&oldid=75947 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-283) 10/* Implementations */ < 1594675174 409199 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594675314 578074 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75949&oldid=75948 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-7) 10/* Implementations */ > 1594675600 778627 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75950&oldid=75949 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-16) 10 < 1594676859 742595 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594676943 951936 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594677833 895766 :rodgort`!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594677882 975328 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1594678144 691330 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594678227 527434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594678490 88893 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594679460 984058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594680306 865820 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594680434 450769 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594680434 812910 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1594680533 541513 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew, finished SSR. < 1594681701 478418 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1594681820 907748 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594681852 902607 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:adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594709490 641714 :spencer__!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594710093 5125 :Antebrationist!ca9a80b5@202-154-128-181.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1594710129 202066 :Antebrationist!ca9a80b5@202-154-128-181.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do turing machines write a number or move the tape first? < 1594710144 47448 :Antebrationist!ca9a80b5@202-154-128-181.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, zzo38, I'm working on a smaller Minsky Machine now. < 1594710545 582068 :Antebrationist!ca9a80b5@202-154-128-181.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594710550 195872 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the context for this? A Minsky machine doing what? < 1594710628 479654 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, back in May. 2020-05-03.txt:20:54:15 I've completed the initialization of the Minsky machine, with 5 pointers. < 1594710796 541942 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594710805 936597 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1594710832 531177 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I believe this is the Minsky machine in M:tG discussion. < 1594710884 656233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi int-e < 1594710908 301399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was The Backbone the hardest level, or is it more like you were stuck on it for silly reasons? < 1594710940 813608 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think it was a new twist on a game mechanic, and the level made it hard to accidently find the twist. < 1594710959 37021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, do you know what the minimum number of clues for a sudoku puzzle where a digit can't be a knight's move away from the same digit? < 1594710977 56678 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(usually when I'm stuck on a level I do some more or less random exploration, trying out things that seem interesting with no clue what they'll achieve) < 1594711373 336135 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I've now watched the whole speedrun. Mostly very clean, streamlined solutions (some of my attempts involved a lot of shuffling of sausages), but no real new tricks I didn't already know :) < 1594711820 12055 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1594712407 952863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1594712929 854610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1594713650 796887 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Snowflake14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75952&oldid=75942 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+6) 10 > 1594714317 653101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75953&oldid=73520 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+427) 10Back to the drawing board < 1594714347 530371 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1594714351 223391 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75954&oldid=75953 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (-169) 10not right now it doesn't > 1594714453 383478 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Burro/TM2Burro.hs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75955&oldid=74515 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+114) 10Note that this is broken. < 1594714747 699022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1594715220 976837 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75956&oldid=75898 5* 03A 5* (+89) 10 < 1594715272 83483 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1594715330 694454 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75957&oldid=75956 5* 03A 5* (+19) 10/* Primalty Tester */ > 1594715567 567624 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75958&oldid=75957 5* 03A 5* (-125) 10 < 1594716470 755683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the way 2SAT is solvable by just doing regular DPLL, but never backtracking more than one level. < 1594717101 265353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many clauses of length > 2 do you need for SAT to be NP-complete? < 1594717238 43864 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, SAT is in P for any fixed number of clauses of length > 2. < 1594717239 705709 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say arbitrary many, because if you put an upper bound to it, there is an upper bound of the length of merged clauses < 1594717290 301886 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With k clauses of size n, you can try all choices of the positive literal for each clause in n^k calls to the 2SAT procedure.) < 1594717604 59487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1594717617 662386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sudoku is expressible using almost entirely 2-clauses, right? < 1594717634 329448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need one n-clause per cell to specify that a cell has at least one value, and that's it, I think. < 1594717653 298022 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure about that < 1594717707 21074 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you need one n-clause per row/column/block? < 1594717731 494743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only need to say that there's at most one of each digit for each of those. < 1594717742 470529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you can express with a bunch of 2-clauses. < 1594717749 499919 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1594717852 304158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(¬(0,0)=1 | ¬(0,1)=1) & (¬(0,0)=1 | ¬(0,2)=1) & ... < 1594717948 758507 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1594717986 602868 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if n is the number of variables, you'd still need 3n clauses of size > 2, don't you? < 1594717991 529088 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: true < 1594718036 230467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 9x9 sudoku the simple encoding has 9^3 variables and 9^2 clauses of length > 2. < 1594718074 352274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arbitrary sudoku is supposed to be NP-complete, right? I'm kind of surprised that you get that from a relatively small number of >2 clauses, though it does grow with the number of variables. < 1594718100 857694 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you generalize to a Sudoku of size nxn you end up with n^2 constraints of size n. < 1594718114 562991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1594718122 772556 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n = k*l if you have l*k boxes of size k*l) < 1594718131 289351 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, if you follow int-es reasoning above, you have n^n calls to 2sat < 1594718143 855598 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and n^n is no longer polynomial < 1594718155 432436 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that doesn't mean there can not be another way) < 1594718158 781302 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :n^(2n), but that just makes it worse. < 1594718173 347673 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, what am I saying < 1594718175 154659 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :n^n^2 < 1594718372 993675 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just do set cover. If k elements to cover and n sets, then you have a natural encoding with n variables indicating which sets to select, k constraints of size <= n (to ensure that each element is selected, and up to C(n,2) clauses of size 2 to ensure the selected sets don't overlap. < 1594718420 692626 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If *there are* k elements... < 1594718556 380851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exact cover? < 1594718560 705523 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1594718566 963060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does seem simpler. < 1594719568 941421 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Quit: This page is intentionally left blank. < 1594720948 433222 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zjmmandciuozckvb QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1594721050 628474 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-puhwiqxchhrlylds JOIN :#esoteric < 1594721217 744523 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1594722188 487885 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-njnkvbvegpwtmpvg QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1594722198 153406 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iptpnvankwxyyxlp JOIN :#esoteric < 1594722582 141113 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594723206 347758 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594723590 31654 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594723708 712887 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1594723708 927906 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1594730076 839236 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594730988 507637 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1594731307 995139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Left-or-right14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75959 5* 03D 5* (+901) 10Created page with "[[Left-or-right]] is a very simple language [https://codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/users/20260/xnor xnor] made up. 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(www.adiirc.com) < 1594744972 111873 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-147.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1594745887 587477 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1594751219 152535 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-94-254-168-71.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1594751283 872634 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-94-254-168-71.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594751366 575843 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-94-254-168-71.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1594751436 800693 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-94-254-168-71.play-internet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594751451 596775 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-94-254-168-71.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1594751463 332755 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-94-254-168-71.play-internet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594751476 640621 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-94-254-168-71.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1594751510 68302 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-94-254-168-71.play-internet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594751526 935574 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-94-254-168-71.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1594751570 637793 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-94-254-168-71.play-internet.pl QUIT :Client Quit > 1594751612 814465 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Affine Mess14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75969&oldid=75544 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+19) 10I think this looks better as one paragraph. < 1594751626 983160 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-94-254-168-71.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric > 1594752649 6467 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75970&oldid=75950 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-180) 10/* Implementations */ > 1594753116 636330 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75971&oldid=75970 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-43) 10 < 1594754088 896771 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594755874 188809 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::c JOIN :#esoteric < 1594758371 752534 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::c QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1594759202 28302 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594759230 818384 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1594759898 392154 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-94-254-168-71.play-internet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594759918 369022 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-94-254-168-71.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1594760750 336708 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594762292 846587 :unrooted!~unrooted@user-94-254-168-71.play-internet.pl QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1594764702 844637 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: WASHINGTON, DC—In a move designed to make the United States seem more "bad-assed and scary in a quasi-heavy-metal manner," Congress officially changed the nation's name to the Ünited Stätes of Ämerica Monday. "Much like Mötley Crüe and Motörhead, < 1594764737 189328 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1594765658 124 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::c JOIN :#esoteric < 1594765967 496409 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::c QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1594766902 975656 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594766977 45206 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594766982 748239 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1594766983 940870 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1594767995 311615 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594768014 539082 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::c JOIN :#esoteric < 1594768030 640626 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594768055 374223 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1594769028 840354 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Deppong 5* 10New user account > 1594769196 446374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75972&oldid=75891 5* 03Deppong 5* (+101) 10/* Introductions */ > 1594769259 372198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75973&oldid=75972 5* 03Deppong 5* (+80) 10/* Introductions */ < 1594769699 113082 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::c QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1594770787 639712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1594771973 82313 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/bf814]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75974 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+398) 10trying out math notation > 1594772376 207477 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/bf814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75975&oldid=75974 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+103) 10Math markup resource links < 1594772475 634729 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594772511 516384 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:2c7b:a403:d3fb:cf18 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594772593 93240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/bf814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75976&oldid=75975 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+0) 10translation typo < 1594773175 948332 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594773719 987845 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594774420 97331 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-147.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1594776428 655146 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1594778323 818407 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594778425 592756 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594778880 679498 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1594779510 287544 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594779961 683410 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594782339 858253 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594783065 840606 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594784440 450662 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594786285 888388 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to do math for sqrt(-1) dimensional topology? (I saw this mentioned in a computer game) < 1594786961 704155 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb < 1594787006 192326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. What's that? < 1594787047 866017 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how that is working (or how the number of dimensions is anything other than a natural number or possibly infinite in some cases) < 1594787096 969966 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1594787406 743992 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1594787469 174463 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1594787575 560242 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Client Quit < 1594787603 923020 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1594787799 605149 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::c JOIN :#esoteric < 1594790324 972117 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::c QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1594791295 703822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 w < 1594791299 539536 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:tur//To tur is not to flas. \ things boily likes//Fire is good. I like fire. Also chicken. And phở. And kimchi. Or poutine. Moreover, cubes. \ yard//yards is short for "yet another retro distance system". \ shavention//Shaventions include: before/now/lastfiles, culprits, hog/{h,d}oag, le//rn, tmp/, mk/mkx, {s,p}led/sedlast, spore/spam/speek/sport/1/4/5, edit. Taneb did not invent them yet. \ welcome.ru//Добро пожало < 1594791300 778195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1594791304 696580 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:ать в Международный центр по разработке и внедрению языков эзотерического программирования! Для получения дополнительной информации посетите wiki: . (Для другого типа эзотеризма попробуйте #esoteric в EFnet или DALnet.) < 1594792325 612255 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, UT \ F-8 < 1594792907 187262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wasn't the splitting code supposed to handle that? < 1594793159 350870 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/23c487fea86d/bin/distort ... I see no signs of that. < 1594793183 471594 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the perfectionism in that code is about accounting the varying lengths of the numbers correctly. < 1594793190 234238 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :+for < 1594793226 684585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1594793251 973951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I remember now: I suggested adding the UTF-8 thing at the time. < 1594793673 110646 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tfw you learn a new word in your native tongue... < 1594793781 81532 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a serendipity? < 1594793959 576843 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594793993 214314 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594794141 126208 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Not really (it was a loanword from French). And it does happen... I just didn't expect it at all while reading a maintstream news outlet. < 1594794152 464556 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it took me by surprise. < 1594794264 49178 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what word < 1594794821 797531 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :reüssieren < 1594794866 52190 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not that uncommon, though < 1594794896 565121 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594795115 854857 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs > 1594795373 414717 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Factor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75977&oldid=75667 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+30) 10 < 1594795889 871278 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of words in English are French, although also a lot of words in English are English. < 1594797203 358716 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594797327 473166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1594797898 789965 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Snowflake (Orisphera's edition)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75978&oldid=75943 5* 03Orisphera 5* (-1877) 10 < 1594798266 97943 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1594798600 831870 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Snowflake (Orisphera's edition)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75979&oldid=75978 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+154) 10 < 1594801296 995879 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-248-67.host.pobb.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1594803557 740518 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ix14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75980 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+4138) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}} {{infobox proglang |name=ix |author=[[User:Orisphera|Orisphera]] |year=[[:Category:2020|2020]] |class=[[:Category:Turing complete|Turing complete]] }} :''Note th..." > 1594803642 143598 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75981&oldid=75799 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+9) 10 < 1594804340 555211 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1594804416 112445 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1594804580 920424 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594804964 15473 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594806084 65158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75982&oldid=75444 5* 03CMinusMinus 5* (-29) 10Removed Drawkcab and Bugmaker, because they are already in archive < 1594807096 929677 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594808863 213429 :CMinusMinus!~CMinusMin@2a02:1206:4514:da70:a166:277e:e36b:fd0f JOIN :#esoteric < 1594808897 66063 :CMinusMinus!~CMinusMin@2a02:1206:4514:da70:a166:277e:e36b:fd0f QUIT :Client Quit < 1594809298 948184 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1594810134 727062 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594810173 383407 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594810315 27847 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1594810323 738615 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1594812610 259309 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594813533 89511 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-248-67.host.pobb.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1594816753 891108 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1594825367 351014 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594825879 754696 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594825962 890132 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball should I work on asm2bf < 1594825962 890215 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1594825989 433139 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball or maybe, should I work on a crackme < 1594825989 582048 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1594825997 436901 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an uniform response. < 1594827037 954262 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Should 8ball be trusted? < 1594827037 954326 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1594827043 711523 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Are you sure? < 1594827043 711592 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1594827045 990078 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1594827052 33558 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust it :) < 1594827114 630642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Were you lying when you said it should be trusted? < 1594827114 776764 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1594827122 380316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, it looks pretty consistent to me. < 1594827132 615922 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Would you ever lie to me? < 1594827132 724408 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1594827161 795877 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Are your replies predictable? < 1594827161 795942 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1594827202 237875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Have I been testing these phrases in a query to get the replies I want? < 1594827202 345473 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1594827211 707384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's actually true, but getting a bit spooky.) < 1594827253 983226 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just parity, right? < 1594827273 606724 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball it's just parity, right? < 1594827273 714372 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1594827276 300606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think so. < 1594827280 445043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show 8ball < 1594827280 445104 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[[->+<],]>2+2<[->-[>+>2]>[+[-<+>]>+>2]<5]>4+<2[>2-+11[>+8>+4<2-]>+.+12.+14.>+2.<4-]>2[+10[>+7>+4<2-]>+.+33.>+2.<2] < 1594827287 679824 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it obviously is < 1594827288 848442 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> odd . sum . map fromEnum $ "it's just parity, right?" < 1594827290 677072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1594827293 973192 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball Are you giving an incorrect response right now? < 1594827293 973264 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1594827305 477857 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> odd . sum . map fromEnum $ "Were you lying when you said it should be trusted?" < 1594827307 886376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1594827398 157885 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( >2 is not shorter than >> ) < 1594827426 475932 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not used to RLE brainfuck. < 1594827458 102810 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a but confused about the fromEnum part < 1594827467 67884 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1594827468 295235 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvmd < 1594827474 596245 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromEnum == ord here < 1594827478 409584 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1594827488 431587 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is that fromEnum is always available while ord requires an import < 1594827515 343758 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I tend to use the former even though lambdabot has `ord` in scope. < 1594827743 20472 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: from what I heard, fungot compiles brainfuck to some internal representation that uses RLE, and that's why it dumps it that way < 1594827743 234819 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: not to mention... how we'll do no filesystem. are you going < 1594827761 961928 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, but it's probably not worth < 1594827762 176496 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: there are quite a number of " molecules" ( gliders, stable patterns, etc.) for the wiki < 1594827805 571500 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: that makes sense < 1594827835 379321 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't make the code easier to read ;) < 1594827856 887566 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: might also make the code fit into a single IRC line when it otherwise wouldn't fit < 1594827940 602426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, to be fair, the division by 2 would be hard to digest independently of how the code is written. < 1594828032 407684 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wzjyiyhzislehvvq JOIN :#esoteric < 1594828074 599027 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bfumfizprlifllih JOIN :#esoteric < 1594828075 730789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's the internal reason why it gets printed that way. Though it could definitely omit the count for 2 and print the symbol twice, since it already has custom logic for 1. < 1594828100 293619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The internal representation also uses the same instruction for < and >, and + and -, so the "pretty"-printer needs to fix that as well. < 1594828117 272248 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay, taking the <5 part on faith I see how the division part works :) < 1594828156 181699 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is kind of satisfying because I have not touched Brainfuck in a while. < 1594828321 262081 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi have a nice day < 1594828468 32632 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello good bye arseniiv < 1594828532 971499 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e why good bye? :′( < 1594828545 699157 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/int-e/int-e: < 1594828636 934050 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: because "have a nice day" is a parting greeting < 1594828646 696035 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether you intended it that way or not < 1594828745 184179 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh :D < 1594828822 387082 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I haven’t yet had much time saying it to people < 1594828915 802007 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must pick something less associated with goodbyes < 1594829088 752240 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning, good day, good afternoon, good evening, good night? < 1594829104 826883 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe avoid the last one in formal contexts) < 1594829123 598781 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1594829135 181816 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :triggers my dirty mind < 1594829142 162104 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh huh < 1594829161 385183 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be just me, I wouldn't know :P < 1594829272 567019 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1594829371 288412 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not even associate „Sweet Dreams“ with something dirty < 1594829591 964346 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594829879 339412 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1594829918 329677 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think that is just you < 1594829941 114701 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All it insinuates to me is "one or both of us is going to sleep now" < 1594830034 135177 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1594830059 542147 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :connotations are difficult :P < 1594834840 606872 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1594836915 56058 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594837090 219440 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made a SQLite extension for making PostScript tokens output, so for example PSTOKENS(1,'abc',null) will result { 1 (abc) //null } The SQLite command line has some output modes included (including using ASCII control codes as separators), but you cannot define your own mode in an extension. < 1594837142 928629 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1594837326 718322 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other output modes that might be wanted would be JSON and TeX; in the case of TeX there probably isn't a common way suitable for all documents, although you might be able to write a macro to change category codes to use ASCII control codes as separators and then put them in a alignment block. < 1594837380 26582 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, JSON does not support 64-bit integers (although recent versions of JavaScript do). (PostScript also doesn't, but Ghostscript allows them as an extension) < 1594839099 409044 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : triggers my dirty mind => lol < 1594839154 57127 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : good morning, good day, good afternoon, good evening, good night? => they are undoubtedly good but they’re also quite plain as a statistical consequence of being undoubtedly good < 1594839302 893378 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm “may the multiocular o be with you” may be a suitable for this channel, universality isn’t required. But this one in contrast is to pompous < 1594839341 680286 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :“let NP = P” is dubious on many levels < 1594839396 540175 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let True = False in () < 1594839398 464293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1594839415 956977 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wzjyiyhzislehvvq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1594839430 529385 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :“gesundheit“, albeit sufficiently ironic, may be considered a blunt reaction to something previous < 1594839490 65438 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: top of the evening to you, good sir < 1594839505 548885 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1594839505 656337 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube < 1594839513 889696 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW I find it suspicious how it became to be that English somehow didn’t have a reaction to sneezing of its own prior to borrowing this or it did how but somehow it became superceded for a very obscure reason which I can’t fathom at all < 1594839516 901652 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ukparl < 1594839517 9628 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ukparl (UK Parliament debates from brexit referendum to late 2018) < 1594839520 999223 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yay < 1594839521 429752 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what i have said, that the government endeavour to mitigate the issue would have meant. supported by the staffordshire chamber of the house of commons < 1594839527 382228 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yoo < 1594839527 490081 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: will the hon. member of this house, < 1594839537 914778 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: top as in top hat? < 1594839552 208830 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's "top" as "the best". < 1594839577 639320 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn’t it be “the top evening” then? < 1594839601 364944 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching plebs solve https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrqBX-Tck2A is painful. < 1594839617 176621 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :the evening is top, the priestess is high < 1594839737 593716 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(skip to the 1:30 mark for just the puzzle) < 1594839793 648902 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the interesting part is, there are several android apps that are exactly that < 1594839805 557950 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1594839826 68425 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594839841 177415 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know you need to start at a node with odd degree, those are basically brainless < 1594839867 24279 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: have you seen Lyne? < 1594839884 679107 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure i did, i just need to recall < 1594839922 160224 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a huge fan, but an okay one < 1594839934 591389 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ah, the old eulerian path < 1594839946 167239 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lyne is not based on Eulerian paths, it's closer to Hamiltonian paths, so it's actually mildly interesting.) < 1594839965 716634 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I got it in some Humble bundle back when I still cared about those.) < 1594839970 742838 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an awful lot of puzzles tested for android < 1594839988 876150 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my reaction was a late one to the link) < 1594840002 908820 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one graph puzzle i really liked that has a limited amount of levels < 1594840067 98380 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, Eulerian paths are boring if you know the theory... or if you just realize that you can extend the path at both ends and add loops in the middle. < 1594840094 211266 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I solved many Flow levels, some interesting, some making me feeling serendipity and some pretty boring. When the board becomes not just a rectangle, it becomes more worthy < 1594840115 483623 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you start at a random point and observe that you get stuck in the end and then start over... well it's taking a while. < 1594840121 458347 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i can really recommend "snakebirds" as a puzzle game < 1594840140 748392 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :snakebirds is pretty cool < 1594840155 878502 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazign game < 1594840161 266338 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ds/d/ < 1594840178 218564 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually managed to finish that one. < 1594840227 894466 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't have it installed atm. < 1594840236 594763 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm nowhere near that, but i tend to pause puzzle games an awful long time if i get stuck < 1594840245 801641 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: I finished SSR btw. (I mentioned it but you may not have seen it.) < 1594840253 857590 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if i could progress at other levels < 1594840258 350278 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i did, thats very impressive < 1594840265 424588 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to work at SSR more but i hdont have too much time atm < 1594840275 376312 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssr? < 1594840283 405937 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stephen sausage roll < 1594840285 998753 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I think I sunk 20h into it this week. < 1594840290 271811 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1594840290 702495 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, i can really recommend "snakebirds" as a puzzle game => wow, interesting concept < 1594840294 989932 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like snakebird you will probably like this, it's much harder though < 1594840307 737802 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love if ssr had an android version < 1594840317 882285 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :snakebird has its twists as well < 1594840331 828432 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm nowhere near that, but i tend to pause puzzle games an awful long time if i get stuck => like my situation with Baba Is You < 1594840341 323129 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: me too < 1594840348 34346 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty early on ;/ < 1594840364 245347 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't wrap my head around the second bonus water level < 1594840387 966678 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so different than the first one even though just a few things changed in the level structure itself < 1594840388 503762 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of those three, baba is you probably has the most degrees of freedom to cope with < 1594840391 459058 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see if I completed water < 1594840447 1499 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a good custom level pack for baba is you? < 1594840496 521693 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i really enjoyed armadillo run a few years back. it's a physics game, but there are quite puzzling level sets < 1594840532 325966 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel that SSR and Snakebird are about on the same level of difficulty for me; SSR is complicated because it's 3D and the sausages interact in funny ways with the environment. Snakebird has multiple snakes to control that can interact in non-obvious ways. Baba is harder, more comparable to Recursed in difficulty (though very different) < 1594840553 518138 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Hero Hearts, although I have not finished implementing the Linux version, but once it is then you can hopefully make up a puzzle with Free Hero Mesh. < 1594840682 800992 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :minesweeper genius is also interesting < 1594840764 323693 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i like 2 spies for ios so much that i started reimplementing it to play it on android < 1594840896 546481 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure how legal it would be to release it if i ever finish it, though < 1594840947 155479 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also some good puzzle games for NES/Famicom, such as Gruniozerca 2 and Gruniozerca 3. < 1594840973 837860 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you played those games? < 1594841233 70632 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There should be a dot above the "z" in the proper title, actually) < 1594841485 695416 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: did you mean the “Sunken temple” level? < 1594841506 817793 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it solved but I think I don’t remember how, now < 1594841512 330288 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's the leftmost one with the two dots, yeah < 1594841547 70978 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really love how it is completely different from the first one, but it drives me insane < 1594841597 340390 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lake is the only totally solved place I have, except those first levels which are dumped on the map and don’t have their own place < 1594841798 515802 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, rock is you and baba is you doesn’t work agains the crab < 1594841825 395695 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I think I remember now, let me check… < 1594841851 746356 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bfumfizprlifllih QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1594842109 438653 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594842427 313245 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: note how the second one has one crab less than the first one... that is relevant! < 1594842470 802129 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about going through the crab before it's lose, but that doesn't lead anywhere < 1594842481 526753 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will have a look later < 1594842499 237043 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do lose-objects get destroyed on contact? < 1594842511 66574 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they don't < 1594842526 801577 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1594842596 232376 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there will ever be a Gruniozerca 4 game? < 1594842598 149663 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :open, shut, sink all get destroyed < 1594842622 294114 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought about pushing the rock through and then make it myself, but that would need me to get in contact with the crab < 1594842688 7506 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now am trying to do the same but without success yet < 1594842830 816534 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1594842855 963828 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( I was going to say: try harder ) < 1594842903 134982 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i could try pushing the rock through with a rule < 1594842914 967716 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1594842946 287532 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :initially I thought of using the wrong one and hesitated but it all comes well < 1594843019 595585 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would assume "is" is unneccessary < 1594843348 470425 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s the only one which can be used, yeah < 1594843614 883768 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1594843644 517960 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite true :) < 1594843646 752787 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594843671 4553 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1594843696 740411 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "push" can be used as well) < 1594844373 382517 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yay, forgot the feeling when the bonus level solution is the one you already used for the basic level < 1594844499 53049 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594844522 833198 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1594844704 493210 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594844802 799605 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : (the "push" can be used as well) => hmm interesting but it should be placed so rock remains push too? or not < 1594844816 587910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594844828 508312 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yes. < 1594846283 297349 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :snakebirds are pretty and a good level of hard almost from the start, yay. Especially manybirdous levels. When the weather will be not as hot, I’ll evaluate the sound design too > 1594846962 445036 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Eric-D-Culver 5* 10New user account < 1594847014 527256 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594847051 642503 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1594847094 362667 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LRIP14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75983 5* 03Lebster 5* (+1758) 10Created page with "'''LRIP''' is a stack-based esolang created by [[user:Lebster]] = Commands = {| class="wikitable" |- ! Command !! Explanation |- | L || Bitshift top of stack to the left |- |..." > 1594847131 915550 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Lebster14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75984&oldid=69592 5* 03Lebster 5* (+101) 10/* Created Languages */ > 1594847165 199809 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75985&oldid=75973 5* 03Eric-D-Culver 5* (+231) 10/* Introductions */ < 1594847185 833066 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1594847262 407617 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LRIP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75986&oldid=75983 5* 03Lebster 5* (+479) 10/* Python Interpreter */ > 1594847482 77375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Lebster14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75987&oldid=75984 5* 03Lebster 5* (+2351) 10/* Created Languages */ > 1594847509 497700 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LRIP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75988&oldid=75986 5* 03Lebster 5* (+115) 10 > 1594848345 954062 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:XO Mchne14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=75989 5* 03Eric-D-Culver 5* (+860) 10Creating talk page. Proof of Incompleteness of the language < 1594852524 988682 :Antebrationist!ca9a815a@202-154-129-90.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1594852709 761550 :Antebrationist!ca9a815a@202-154-129-90.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, you were right. It's the Minsky Machine to prove Turing Completeness of my esolang. < 1594852731 291482 :Antebrationist!ca9a815a@202-154-129-90.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've finished the Minsky Machine, just a few minutes ago. < 1594852820 523576 :Antebrationist!ca9a815a@202-154-129-90.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original Minsky machine was 23*49, 1127 bytes, whereas this Minsky machine is 15*47, 705 bytes. < 1594852845 759614 :Antebrationist!ca9a815a@202-154-129-90.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll sprunge an example. > 1594853187 518561 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03MoleculeReviver 5* 10New user account < 1594853220 307455 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594853278 261148 :Antebrationist!ca9a815a@202-154-129-90.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, here's the Minsky Machine: http://sprunge.us/SoPEn1 < 1594853330 570803 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594853332 642918 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1594853399 580939 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75990&oldid=75985 5* 03MoleculeReviver 5* (+181) 10 < 1594853472 984801 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594853501 403534 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1594853813 397618 :Antebrationist!ca9a815a@202-154-129-90.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed the Minsky Machine. http://sprunge.us/CTAVGX < 1594853926 23673 :Antebrationist!ca9a815a@202-154-129-90.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, it uses two programs, one which can have values from 0-3 and one which can have values from 0-length of the program. < 1594853957 942299 :Antebrationist!ca9a815a@202-154-129-90.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 0-3 tape is converted to binary, < 1594854023 938900 :Antebrationist!ca9a815a@202-154-129-90.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most significant digit is used for the decrement or increment, and the least significant digit is used for deciding which register to use. < 1594854112 705436 :Antebrationist!ca9a815a@202-154-129-90.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Machine uses 4 data pointers and 4 instruction pointers, but data pointers 1,2 and 3 are stopped after 9,10 and 11 time steps respectively. < 1594854129 728737 :Antebrationist!ca9a815a@202-154-129-90.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I mean instruction pointers 1,2 and 3. < 1594854248 270135 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594854530 570480 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594854593 567956 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594854615 563380 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594854645 717435 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594855417 916347 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1594855418 995975 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594857433 908777 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1594857800 790608 :Antebrationist!ca9a815a@202-154-129-90.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594857801 453497 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1594857949 651469 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594858032 606890 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594858160 463195 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594858534 954998 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594858609 778785 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1594859493 400638 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1594861505 553321 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1594861857 193856 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594869817 779814 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1594871559 489319 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Temporary Stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75991&oldid=75837 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+1) 10 > 1594871602 554504 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RAM014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75992&oldid=75843 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+54) 10/* Implementations */ > 1594872269 649144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitdeque14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75993&oldid=75946 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-2) 10 < 1594872900 718559 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594874942 355873 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1594874947 867784 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c PART :#esoteric < 1594874953 196241 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1594875583 926194 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594878322 771788 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1594878904 555336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/bf814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75994&oldid=75976 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+1093) 10Fizz Buzz in maths < 1594879183 26114 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1594879185 197878 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:1283) I have just learned about "SMASH FACE ON KEYBOARD; POST RESULTS". --- quit: hppavilion[1] (Quit: Leaving) --- join: hppavilion[1] [...] joined #esoteric ...that was the result, apparently Dammit, f4 \ 933) it's almost like Haskell is a programming language and not some kind of mathematical rhetorical arguing device < 1594879475 647106 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1594880265 144260 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/bf814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75995&oldid=75994 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+424) 10Truth-machine fn > 1594882227 295068 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BFStack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75996&oldid=75594 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+54) 10 > 1594882265 12930 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RAM014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75997&oldid=75992 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-54) 10 < 1594884432 788892 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1594884467 557167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75998&oldid=75971 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+120) 10/* Implementations */ < 1594886151 658244 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1594887126 741066 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1594887679 233411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594887771 549896 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1594889676 594351 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1594890462 784315 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[076-514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=75999&oldid=75923 5* 03The Esolanger 5* (-8) 10Made it finished < 1594892396 57222 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1594893359 930271 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1594893855 162564 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594894187 267790 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594894317 626461 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594894781 577577 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594895351 978144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great job, Amazon UK. There's these two hard drive models (WD40EFRX and WD40EFAX) with the same branding, but the difference that the first one uses CMR while the second one uses (DM-)SMR. Amazon was selling both, with a £15 price difference. < 1594895357 650252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ordered the first one, because of the well-documented issues SMR can have in some workloads. They sent me the WD40EFAX model, inside a bubble wrap that had a WD40EFRX sticker on it. < 1594895365 808333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Returned it, complained to customer service (who assured me that they'd put a note on my account to ensure it doesn't happen again), ordered it again. < 1594895372 135406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sent me *another* WD40EFAX drive, again in bubble wrap with a WD40EFRX sticker on it. So returned that too, and this time complained to product support, who got it "escalated" to an "investigation". They temporarily stopped selling the WD40EFRX on amazon.co.uk. < 1594895382 976652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Went back now to check whether their investigation has concluded. What they've done is, they've updated the model name in the WD40EFRX product to say WD40EFAX as well, as if it was the same drive, but kept the other details of the WD40EFRX drive. < 1594895401 319298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now they're selling "WD Red 4TB NAS 3.5 Inch Internal Hard Drive - 5400 RPM Class, SATA 6 Gb/s, SMR, 256 MB Cache - WD40EFAX" at £104 (fair enough), *and* "WD Red 4TB NAS 3.5 Inch Internal Hard Drive - 5400 RPM Class, SATA 6 Gb/s, CMR, 64 MB Cache WD40EFAX" (which isn't even a thing that exists) at £120. < 1594895431 379384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was all "Dispatched and sold by Amazon" stuff, not even third-party sellers.) < 1594895450 834568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've run out of ways to escalate that, so I guess I'll just give up. Sorry for the rant, just had to offload it somewhere. < 1594895902 992493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you know any tech journalists who've been writing all those articles about the CMR-vs-SMR bait and switch, feel free to give them a tip, maybe that'd motivate someone to fix it properly.) < 1594895943 926417 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-/ < 1594896150 195890 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMR seems to be making a very weird tradeoff (which I have yet to fully understand) < 1594896238 398992 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for bait&switch, I've only heard of this, fortunately. < 1594896635 753079 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594896657 721574 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594899039 208352 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1594899180 839621 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1594899655 491556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think SMR would've meant much to me in practice (it'd be just one half of a classic RAID 1 mirror that doesn't get written a lot), just thought I'd rather not, and then it became more of a matter of not getting what I ordered. < 1594899659 459387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, while they did the refund for the second return immadiately, the first one is still in "refund will be started once we receive your item" state even though the parcel tracking service says it was delivered to Amazon two weeks or so ago. < 1594899829 961186 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594899833 87091 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Highly annoying :-( < 1594901754 750921 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1594903731 368346 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \a b -> (a `xor` b == 1) == (abs (a-b) == 1 && even (min a b)) < 1594903733 784491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : +++ OK, passed 100 tests. < 1594904328 447633 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I started out with the thing on the right.) < 1594904442 422728 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been toying around with this: https://paste.debian.net/1156599/ (that is, count the number of solutions to that "Regnarok puzzle" I brought up yesterday.) < 1594905032 989840 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594905062 610561 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1207 < 1594905064 419524 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist 1207: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1594905340 862779 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :fare well < 1594905574 963876 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've been toying around with this: https://paste.debian.net/1156599/ => how do you think, can it be solved neatly without enumerating a massive amount of things on a computer? purely pencil and paper style? < 1594905797 5419 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: it's in the middle < 1594905832 787836 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit more tedious than I'd be comfortable with on pen&paper. < 1594905841 8114 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the kind of puzzle I’m not experienced with at all < 1594905853 835487 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The keyword is dynamic programming. < 1594905869 626129 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it turns out this thing has an OEIS entry. < 1594905917 875595 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use brute force too, it will finish. < 1594905931 782171 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, it turns out this thing has an OEIS entry. => a sequence for various dimensions of the Jormungard (oh I think I made at least three errors in there writing by memory) < 1594905934 881943 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1594905954 954738 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :varying the width < 1594905989 301386 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d vary the height too, I think there should be a decent generalization which leaves only two degree 3 vertices < 1594906024 768483 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'd advise against it. < 1594906128 205799 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can ask the question but the counting will get more difficult.) < 1594906272 978298 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so, the kind of puzzle I’m not experienced with at all" <-- also the kind of puzzle I tend to enjoy a lot < 1594906275 621970 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` cat olist.new > /hackenv/bin/olist < 1594906278 233630 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1594906298 391305 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hbrl olist < 1594906299 470722 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :hbrl? No such file or directory < 1594906305 846850 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist will now print the URL of the strip if you give it just a number as the argument; it will keep printing the arguments verbatim otherwise < 1594906310 222514 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hurl bin/olist < 1594906311 350015 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :File is outside web-viewable filesystem repository. < 1594906316 150724 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hurl ../bin/olist < 1594906317 508708 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/log/tip/bin/olist < 1594906349 988018 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to test in private message < 1594906395 743655 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to see the change. < 1594906415 247475 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bash black magic, I don't know how it works < 1594906441 640220 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I practicularly don't understand the xargs part that prints the tail, I just took that from the existing command < 1594906615 994729 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: https://gist.github.com/int-e/7bb736e366337379442d5899b3899963 is what I did :) < 1594906657 259745 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(totally hardcoded to 4xn size) < 1594906733 432852 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: neat < 1594906747 186914 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : though I’m lazy to read it properly for now < 1594909535 749030 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" BTW I find it suspicious how it became to be that English somehow didn’t have a reaction to sneezing of its own" => I think "bless you" is the normal reply < 1594909549 221866 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gesundheit" just took over because it sounds better < 1594909568 937106 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, germans tend to do world domination < 1594909583 721304 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: speak for yourself < 1594909663 504187 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1594911214 542702 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" They sent me *another* WD40EFAX drive, again in bubble wrap with a WD40EFRX sticker on it." => hehe, https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0085.html < 1594911267 734719 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... almost fell for that one. < 1594911357 483329 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594911357 628556 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594911358 16586 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594911358 239943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594911449 923721 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1594911449 923787 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1594911449 923802 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1594911450 26711 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1594911488 765194 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you at least got your money back < 1594911506 120048 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1594911548 303296 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, "SMR" stands for shingled. that makes more sense < 1594911709 988710 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Also, while they did the refund for the second return immadiately, the first one is still in "refund will be started once we receive your item" state even though the parcel tracking service says it was delivered to Amazon two weeks or so ago." ah < 1594912305 174010 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594913238 952507 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1594914331 29725 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed > 1594914347 223018 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Burro14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76000&oldid=75954 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+1768) 10Give an idiom for extensible conditional testing in Burro. < 1594915334 775886 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594915625 426522 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Excess Flood < 1594915683 482176 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1594919462 779375 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1594919854 682277 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric > 1594921170 290305 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ix14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76001&oldid=75980 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+87) 10 < 1594921953 374614 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1594922179 26825 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594922891 737442 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594922904 822369 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a new hard disk, what would you recommend ? < 1594922930 341080 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy one < 1594922973 754332 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you do not already have a suitable one. < 1594923008 168520 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:ec5a:ad1:21e0:91bc JOIN :#esoteric < 1594923088 338307 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whch one? < 1594923214 966560 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I have is Western Digital < 1594923294 129654 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy one from the other brand than your current one, then when you inevitably hear stories about why a particular brand of hard disks sucks, you at least won't think darn it, all my hard disks are of that brand < 1594923327 572139 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have both samsung and WD in my computer for that reason < 1594923381 850233 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, like, if all of them have a mistake or feature or backdoor that causes them to simultaneously die at a round mayan date or whatever, at least some of your hard disks have a chance to work < 1594923412 551731 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1594923416 548461 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried SSD? < 1594923423 125672 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was interesting but dont have one < 1594923434 606392 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, some of them might share pieces of software, in which case you're screwed anyway. it's like when I have vlc, mplayer and ffmpeg on my computer, but it turns out that the backend they use to compress h2.64 video is actually the same one library, so it's not like when there's a bug in one I can just use the other) < 1594923465 100727 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: I will buy an SSD, but not as a primary hard disk, just as a cache or hot stuff mostly. I don't trust SSDs to be reliable, < 1594923479 874042 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that they can just go completely unreadable out of the blue, more so than hard disks. < 1594923769 766315 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that sounsd horrible < 1594923781 205983 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there the program to implement that caching? How would it be working effectively? < 1594924115 407018 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think it's in the linux kernel, with some userspace stuff only to set it up, but I don't know the details < 1594924127 207950 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't bought an SSD yet so I haven't researched it < 1594924146 568104 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll buy one "soon" (within ten years) < 1594924665 147692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I do with my SSD-and-HDD setup is, since the HDD is almost an order of magnitude larger than the HDD, I just have a thing to keep a mirror of the SSD contents on the HDD, updated once a day or so. < 1594924690 484112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although my personal experience with spinning disk failures has so far all been "went completely unreadable out of the blue" as well. < 1594924737 19012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the exception of one drive which was "was sending smartd error emails for a week before it went completely unreadable, but I wasn't reading that email address", which admittedly is more in the 'my fault' column. < 1594924756 55101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/than the HDD/than the SSD/ < 1594924803 927943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only Banarch-Tarski brand HDDs are an order of magnitude larger than themselves. < 1594924899 874887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My only advice is, don't try to buy a WD40EFRX from Amazon, for the reasons detailed earlier today. < 1594924917 525805 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 of my disks are dead < 1594924933 932955 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that story got me thinking < 1594925987 474642 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have multiple disks, any one could break < 1594925997 161312 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't always follow my own advice about backups < 1594926005 481124 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably not the right person to ask about them < 1594926009 732697 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :about backup best practices < 1594926201 767689 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think "bless you" is the normal reply => oh, forgot about that one < 1594926266 389028 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I think about backups, I realize I don’t have enough disks < 1594926386 295274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with many disks is, if you choose to make one bigger, you may need to make the others bigger as well, and then it may become expensive. < 1594926497 526271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, the three disks in my backup rotation cycle (one in the machine receiving weekly incremental backups, one on the shelf here, and one in an underground vault at an undisclosed location in the Finnish bedrock) are all 3TB, while the "working drives" in this machine are 4TB, which only works because I've excluded a bunch of useless junk from being backed-up. < 1594926598 836526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now the best price-per-unit-of-storage size seems to be either 6 TB or 8 TB, but if I were to switch to that, I'd need to buy approximately 5 of them. < 1594927179 804354 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I have less than 3 TB of non-backup space, and more than 200 GB is used to hold a file I don’t particularly want to have but it hasn’t anywhere else to go if I don’t want to devote one of removable disks to it, as there are just two and they hold backups. Though I should better place them in different locations, not in the same drawer centimeters apart < 1594927322 519973 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW is there any merit to wrap a removable HDD in metal foil as a kind of Faraday cage, would it be effective against EMP from a nearby lightning and does that happen often enough to be one of the main threats? < 1594927882 505820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any data to back this up (no terminology pun intended), but I would imagine that's not super high up the list of most common failure modes. < 1594928025 433066 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I don't think so. if you want to protect against lightning, pull out all cables from the hard disk and any other equipment nearby. < 1594928042 641668 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if it's still in a computer chasis, pull all the cables from the chasis < 1594928067 888897 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a typical computer chasis is already a Faraday cage, the lightning comes in on cables < 1594928076 383130 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily on the power cable, it can come from a network cable too < 1594928098 255299 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :PurpleStar TwitchSings * < 1594928100 104798 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: would that help from a nearby lightning which doesn’t cause a spike in the power network? < 1594928158 201851 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I think so, if the cables are removed from all the other equipment nearby < 1594928163 296659 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not an experts < 1594928178 936681 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard right near a lightning, as rare as it may be to be as near, there are quite a large field intensities. I don’t remember if I read about remagnetizing stuff, but I think I saw that somewhere < 1594928197 652754 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard disk data isn't too vulnerable to lightning strikes anyway. the electronics may be, but if it's only the electronics that breaks, a hard disk can still be read < 1594928213 338304 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can recover the data. when the electronics in an SSD breaks, you're screwed, there's no way to fix it. < 1594928231 881444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a pretty relaxed definition of "can" though. < 1594928240 944389 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but one would need to get it to service which is not always as cheap(?..) < 1594928246 637927 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, you need a recovery service < 1594928316 840083 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, easier to recover from than when misbehaving software or malware or misbehaving wetware corrupts/deletes all your data < 1594928363 89312 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily on the power cable, it can come from a network cable too => hm also you reminded me it even may induce currents in the cables not connected to a power source or the like, and still fry something < 1594928400 191614 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yes, I specifically said "pull out all cables from ... and any other equipment nearby." < 1594928413 194650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was promised proper storms when I moved to the UK, but there's been hardly any. < 1594928457 24621 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, make sure your house doesn't catch fire from the lightning. house fires don't usually destroy the hard disk, but they can cause other severe damage. < 1594928508 633422 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make sure that if a lightning strikes a tree it doesn't fall onto your car < 1594928518 352449 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also doesn't destroy hard disks but still < 1594928769 279933 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, make sure your house doesn't catch fire from the lightning => that can be pretty assured, it’s all bricks on the outside and concrete slabs somewhere inside :D < 1594928871 310387 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yeah, you don't live in America, it's easier here < 1594928892 489739 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don’t have a car yay. It certainly might be useful but it entails so much hassle with gasoline prices, service prices, bureaucracy and at the last it would be a hard thing to get a licence and actually drive with my degree of myopia :D < 1594928900 450572 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :although we still have some ugly building fires sometimes, even in concrete buildings < 1594928947 126740 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d like to drive in an experimental environment where I don’t need to worry about having a license, just for fun to try it out < 1594928950 460177 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly plausibly deniable motivated ones, like last time it was the offices of a political party, with lots of documents stored inside, that burned down in the city < 1594928970 538765 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an old storage building right at my previous job < 1594928995 811723 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, plastics which burn readily and so on, but usually one needs to set them on fire in a solid manner < 1594929016 59433 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: you can certainly get a driving license with myopia. I have one, and I already had bad myopia back then. < 1594929031 198000 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it did get a bit worse, mostly in that my two eyes desyced < 1594929037 211219 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don’t see how I would drive in the city < 1594929038 101006 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have much worse binocular vision now < 1594929051 269838 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I don't drive either, I just have a driving license < 1594929061 813687 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the town is terrible, I'd be afraid to drive here < 1594929064 588 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :D < 1594929066 907924 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can drive when I'm away < 1594929090 12341 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the license around when I started university. < 1594929119 144844 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t want to get a license for naught, it’s pretty much work and social interactions with dubious persons which would comment on my height or something < 1594929128 545144 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"set them on fire in a solid manner" => good thing we have ubiquitious litium batteries for that now < 1594929141 265346 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1594929142 218660 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not only in electric wheelchairs, they're in every consumer electronics device < 1594929145 402145 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1594929171 82674 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even without that, there's the old-school car fuel or alcohol or other easily flammable liquids < 1594929175 73886 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are easy to buy < 1594929224 369806 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :alcohol especially these times as an antiseptic < 1594929266 320437 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, all the pharma companies realized that stopping their factories and turning them to package hand sanitizers to tiny bottles earns them a lot of money, because there's a shortage of the bottles on the market, the actual alcohol and isopropil-alcohol is widely available, and < 1594929297 37508 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike when making drugs, they don't need to follow all the expensive strict quality control laws to just make hand sanitizer bottles < 1594929302 800266 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now we don't have drugs < 1594929883 443664 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594929969 866678 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594930379 537408 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1594930841 582688 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1594932686 406519 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1594932713 984929 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594933816 281523 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could a multi resolution picture compression be done by predictive coding? Such as, to make a prediction based on the nearest smaller size, the nearest pixel to the value, perhaps. < 1594934108 934493 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: we just use progressive jpegs for it mostly < 1594934121 940763 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not perfect really < 1594934133 916540 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's better than nothing < 1594934224 51221 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for one thing, I want to use lossless compression. < 1594934273 982414 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing is might be wanted to decode as CMYK+spots < 1594935732 298798 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you intend to use that in TeXnicard for card images? Maybe it would be good to just vectorize all the images? (with a sufficiently high contour complexity so they would look pleasing) < 1594935749 300585 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: No, I intend to use it for picture fonts. < 1594935791 306520 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah, though I’d suggest the same here too < 1594935906 206689 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually the images in a picture font aren’t too complex, right? Even emojis with color shades can be more or less well represented in vector. If one is allowed to use a blur filter as in SVG, much more so, I’d think < 1594936021 377364 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, maybe it is; then just the pictures can be added using PostScript codes. < 1594936041 958752 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeXnicard does have a convolution filter command, so you can use that if you need blur < 1594936381 946939 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is not using SVG) > 1594939226 516725 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Deppong14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76002 5* 03Deppong 5* (+61) 10added to my own page < 1594939393 963554 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1594939931 716612 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594939961 489706 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594941377 461882 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594941377 461960 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594941377 770481 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594941377 946606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1594941780 312386 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1594941780 312448 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1594941780 312460 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1594941780 456437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric > 1594942281 480812 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Vertical14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76003 5* 03Deppong 5* (+2087) 10Adding the Vertical programming language to the Esolang wiki < 1594942312 465641 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric > 1594942354 913955 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76004&oldid=75981 5* 03Deppong 5* (+15) 10/* V */ < 1594942392 165321 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1594942485 362398 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1594942491 409126 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1594943194 440293 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1594947173 437392 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1594947567 505486 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594948381 623621 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594948401 926613 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1594950257 894858 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-135.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1594950609 840534 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07GORBITSA14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76005&oldid=75133 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+162) 10Finally fix errors in description < 1594951213 542037 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1594959615 856763 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Include the card Mana Clash in a Magic: the Gathering puzzle. < 1594960779 15081 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594961765 296441 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) > 1594962162 620438 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RAM014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76006&oldid=75997 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+54) 10Undo revision 75997 by [[Special:Contributions/Bangyen|Bangyen]] ([[User talk:Bangyen|talk]]) > 1594962373 584911 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Gdelfish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76007 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+3594) 10Godel numbering toy language, to test conversions and output encoding generation > 1594963186 126433 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Gdelfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76008&oldid=76007 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+1283) 10/* Evaluation and output encoding */ not sure how I'm going to catch any typos in this... < 1594963319 943211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1594963374 57341 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76009&oldid=75998 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+11) 10/* Implementations */ < 1594964221 376164 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594964301 624599 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594964317 3741 :Antebrationist!ca9a8169@202-154-129-105.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1594964376 398688 :Antebrationist!ca9a8169@202-154-129-105.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we allowed to ask questions about general programming on this channel, or is there an IRC channel for that too? < 1594964401 210488 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why you wouldn't be allowed. < 1594964481 583733 :Antebrationist!ca9a8169@202-154-129-105.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay then. When using python's websocket-client library, I have a line of code that goes as such < 1594964501 833391 :Antebrationist!ca9a8169@202-154-129-105.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :self.ws = websocket.create_connection("wss://my.website/ws") < 1594964513 553224 :Antebrationist!ca9a8169@202-154-129-105.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I make websocket-client use a proxy? < 1594964636 315061 :Antebrationist!ca9a8169@202-154-129-105.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stackoverflow wasn't very helpful, giving their standard "why would you do that, when you can do blablablablah". < 1594964726 348668 :Antebrationist!ca9a8169@202-154-129-105.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, by the way, should I disconnect, I'll still read the logs. < 1594965245 484975 :Antebrationist!ca9a8169@202-154-129-105.ras-dynamic.connections.net.nz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1594965330 176997 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1594966153 900737 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1594966288 775746 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c JOIN :#esoteric > 1594966524 69300 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Gdelfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76010&oldid=76008 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+4342) 10some examples, to demonstrate > 1594967843 917506 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Gdelfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76011&oldid=76010 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+934) 10Thankfully the Deadfish Hello World conversion example works correctly on tio < 1594968135 582486 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 > 1594968406 210769 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Gdelfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76012&oldid=76011 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+405) 10/* Conversion to Brainfoctal */ some extra info about b() < 1594968779 645357 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1594970050 663236 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Serenity14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76013 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+26608) 10+[[Serenity]] > 1594970055 111660 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76014&oldid=76004 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+15) 10+[[Serenity]] > 1594970060 297183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76015&oldid=75963 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+15) 10+[[Serenity]] > 1594970412 703504 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Serenity14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76016&oldid=76013 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+7) 10/* Object */ < 1594970943 80313 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1594973995 90696 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Snowflake14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76017&oldid=75952 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+5) 10 < 1594974878 782102 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1594975246 50610 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Gdelfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76018&oldid=76012 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+1922) 10add link to 16bit bf interpreter to demonstrate the conversion result < 1594975593 579347 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric > 1594975808 653546 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Gdelfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76019&oldid=76018 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+19) 10/* Conversion to Brainfoctal */ the difference between Natural and non-Natural number conversion is still not clear, must fix later > 1594977094 562065 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Serenity14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76020&oldid=76016 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-7) 10Fix typos < 1594978340 758232 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1594979393 539817 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1594979726 109930 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:2c7b:a403:d3fb:cf18 QUIT :Remote 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1595026165 380613 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595026299 792111 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595026331 707534 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595026377 550797 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1595026700 593720 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1595027603 603177 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595027713 856486 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1595027946 626478 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595028066 478487 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595028545 907972 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1595028611 40486 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595028751 1948 :deadatheaven!56038177@cpc1-cdif16-2-0-cust374.5-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595028832 118964 :deadatheaven!56038177@cpc1-cdif16-2-0-cust374.5-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, kind of a "strange" question....How can I communicate with the creator of Superstack? < 1595028886 807857 :deadatheaven!56038177@cpc1-cdif16-2-0-cust374.5-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am thinking about one or two modifications and it might be interesting to discuss it first < 1595028950 609030 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; if that is something on esolang wiki, try the talk page maybe? < 1595028982 290887 :deadatheaven!56038177@cpc1-cdif16-2-0-cust374.5-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, thanks, I guess, the talk page of superstack? < 1595029018 293041 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that would be what I suggest, if you have changes to mention. < 1595029073 505628 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can try the user talk page for whoever wrote it, too; it is more useful on the talk page for the Superstack itself, although they might be more likely to see it on the user talk page.) < 1595029189 865568 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1595029231 718499 :deadatheaven!56038177@cpc1-cdif16-2-0-cust374.5-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's great, I will do that, thank you zzo38 < 1595029290 925141 :deadatheaven!56038177@cpc1-cdif16-2-0-cust374.5-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595029461 825198 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595029787 928568 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595030978 722736 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595031191 145713 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1595032014 906415 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Unscheduled activation < 1595033351 172730 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595033385 670813 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595033411 139391 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595033938 846165 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1595034206 660827 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric > 1595037427 600853 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76021&oldid=75856 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-2) 10/* Turing-Completeness */ < 1595039731 780797 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1595040217 10147 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1595040312 973897 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76022&oldid=75935 5* 03DanielCristofani 5* (+31) 10Put links to my programs < 1595041574 5707 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1595043703 159758 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1595046037 383433 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595052438 39790 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595054220 924373 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading a book about a chess variant called "Emperor Wars", where the board starts with several neutral pieces, which it is possible to gain control of by placing your own pieces next to them (if they move away, you lose control of them), and at the beginning, players take turns placing their pieces on vacant cells on the board such that they do not threaten opponent's pieces. < 1595054353 611727 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not remember all of the rules, but I remember there are pieces called "plebeian" (the neutral pieces), "emperor", "tribune", "senator", "centurion", "vestal virgin", and "praetorian guard" (maybe there were others too; I don't remember if there are any others or not) < 1595054400 737990 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about this? > 1595055890 921218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76023&oldid=76022 5* 03DanielCristofani 5* (+130) 10/* Implementations */ > 1595056376 706728 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Snowflake14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76024&oldid=76017 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+0) 10 < 1595057038 911481 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) > 1595057169 816618 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Nil14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76025&oldid=58993 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+174) 10 > 1595057196 425003 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Nil14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76026&oldid=76025 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+85) 10 < 1595057875 707704 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1595058584 398737 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76027&oldid=75982 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+202) 10/* Ideas for Names */ < 1595061662 830181 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> error ("Hello World!\n^bf " ++ concat [map (:[]) "]><+-.,[" !! digitToInt c | c <- showIntAtBase 8 intToDigit 0x1b6db6f96dbe5b2db2db2d24a02cb3097d050134c92b6db6ed6dd26a9556dd92492c92492525d2dd ""]) < 1595061664 919281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Hello World! < 1595061665 26195 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^bf ++++++++[>++++[>++>+++>+++>+<<<<-]>+>+>->>+[<]<-]>>.>---.+++++++..+++.>>... < 1595061676 548040 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1595061687 549826 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++[>++++[>++>+++>+++>+<<<<-]>+>+>->>+[<]<-]>>.>---.+++++++..+++.>>... < 1595061687 549886 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1595061701 672426 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1595061716 52116 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't quite work as hoped < 1595061749 902070 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[>+>+++>+++++++>++++++++++<<<<-]>>>--------.<++.>>+.+++++++++++++..---.+++.<<.++++++++.------.>>--------------------.++++.++++.<<-.+.+++++++. < 1595061750 8800 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :> error ("^bf!") < 1595061793 81917 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to pipe lambdabot's Haskell output to its own bf interpreter, then decided it'd be more fun to send it to fungot < 1595061819 370785 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bot wont interpret its own output < 1595061827 145365 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems that lambdabot is specially coded to ignore fungot < 1595061827 358935 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: in the hon. and learned friend the member for glasgow north, for the scottish government to the house to work with, < 1595061871 334707 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, they are ignoring each other! < 1595062164 403490 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fungot do you ignore lambdabot? < 1595062164 403555 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1595062164 830988 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: of the three to pass. i have three months worth of buffer, a bit to the wales bill, the agreement paves the way to have the proper resources follow health is of course the government have < 1595062220 103186 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse "tognuf" < 1595062221 988017 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "fungot" < 1595062228 737887 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "fungot" < 1595062228 737930 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: what the hon. member of this house, you and i, and the scottish government, < 1595062236 961772 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what happened between them? < 1595062253 807426 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bots prefix their output be a zero-woidth character iirc < 1595062262 101503 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to not trigger themself < 1595062274 207781 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH! < 1595062499 782241 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't trying to bot loop, just to chain a series of commands in lambdabot, but it seems the bf interpreter is not accessible from within @run ", unfortunately" < 1595063075 623118 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595063210 28570 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see the extra prefix character in the logs (looks like a space). My newline worked as intended, but still foiled by some good defensive bot coding. Well done. < 1595063823 880005 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: fungot ignores known bots < 1595063824 93425 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: of the three members of the same people. the overwhelming majority, are not taken the opportunity to see the very careful way, over a fair period, 40 horse. < 1595064324 422491 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595066397 75745 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595067805 290649 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: lambdabot sort of has a compose command, though it's not as powerful as the compose command that I added to buubot < 1595067815 537349 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that one respect, buubot manages to be more esoteric but useful < 1595068143 760777 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?. bf run concat [map (:[]) "]><+-.,[" !! digitToInt c | c <- showIntAtBase 8 intToDigit 0x1b6db6f96dbe5b2db2db2d24a02cb3097d050134c92b6db6ed6dd26a9556dd92492c92492525d2dd ""] < 1595068145 578191 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello WWW < 1595068229 528503 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: thanks, that's what I wanted! (the output above is different to what I got when I tested it in private msg) < 1595068254 885280 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?. bf run concat [map (:[]) "]><+-.,[" !! digitToInt c | c <- showIntAtBase 8 intToDigit 0x1b6db6f96dbe5b2db2db2d24a02cb3097d050134c92b6db6ed6dd26a9556dd92492c92492525d2dd ""] < 1595068257 119 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello WWW > 1595068323 985388 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Main Page14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76028&oldid=66787 5* 03Lebster 5* (+1) 10Esolang -> Esolangs < 1595068381 831284 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd, the output it 'Hello World!' when sent directly to lambdabot. It's different in the channel < 1595068561 108879 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> concat [map (:[]) "]><+-.,[" !! digitToInt c | c <- showIntAtBase 8 intToDigit 0x1b6db6f96dbe5b2db2db2d24a02cb3097d050134c92b6db6ed6dd26a9556dd92492c92492525d2dd ""] < 1595068563 238686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "++++++++[>++++[>++>+++>+++>+<<<<-]>+>+>->>+[<]<-]>>.>---.+++++++..+++.>>.<-... < 1595068605 584958 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :note the ... at the end :-P < 1595068624 629314 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595068808 188264 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! ellipsis = triple output, of course :) Direct msg output doesn't get truncated in the same way. < 1595068823 991097 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's to prevent public channel spam < 1595068912 203193 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1595069534 718650 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595069605 938703 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is it hot // or is it cold huh fungold? < 1595069606 217303 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: the hon. member of this house, whom i do not always agree, he said this fnord before the us decided to relocate, creating 200 that have shut down the rail minister, the hon. and learned friend the member for the cotswolds, that < 1595069674 698844 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1595069687 55618 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so you’re in parliament rooms still. Surely there is air conditioning somewhere, I’m glad for you < 1595069705 359544 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1595070814 901802 :xylochoron[m]!xylochoron@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-mnymeobhmynyrwpq QUIT :Quit: Idle for 30+ days < 1595071207 487999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I was just reading the Wikipedia page about Cotswolds, I've never been there, what's it like? < 1595071207 710118 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this is the right decision, and you a merry christmas, mr speaker, < 1595071310 386135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like I won't be going either, then. < 1595071312 830588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the ignoring, yeah, fungot doesn't do the zero-width space trick (HackEso does), it just has a hardcoded ignore list. < 1595071312 937514 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this is in the best interest of the more vulnerable, it < 1595071332 594651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Yeah, I know, it's reasonable. < 1595071333 4057 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i am because no government, regardless. the universal joint was shot off the fnord, my fnord wires cut and petrol was fnord all over the devolved nations, the house might have to be carried. < 1595071353 279002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Politics sounds more exciting than I thought. < 1595071354 974865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore < 1595071355 82026 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(EgoBot|HackEgo|HackEso|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|lambdabot|oonbotti|metasepia|ruddy|preflex|evalj|idris-bot|passwordBOT|jconn|applybot|blsqbot|fnordbot|termbot|otherbot|j-bot|esowiki|bfbot|egelbot)! < 1595072294 215714 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling the top few kilometers of Earth "crust" in English is such a misleading term, it should be called the "icing", where "crust" should refer to the thick layer below it, what we now call "mantle" < 1595072311 894891 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/few/ten/ < 1595072325 592395 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1595072335 751952 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/few/few dozen/ < 1595072344 563857 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :argbh < 1595072347 21969 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ten/few dozen/ < 1595072440 578059 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you really a bot < 1595072440 895939 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :t20kdc: they have not been an issue historically because the military union was only to be targeted, and the hon. and learned friend the member for edinburgh north and leith, that famous for the progress to date, < 1595072477 697034 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot < 1595072478 19148 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: fnord fnord fnord, i have a friend in the chair: that legislative process has been equipped the previous year, the percentage of fnord and short-term business visits, that are an indictment, to a fine, < 1595072480 414440 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is our beloved channel mascot and voice of reason. < 1595072490 459939 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bot could say something so clearly in politicalese < 1595072501 597036 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1595072501 597095 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl* youtube < 1595072559 314111 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the secret to being a politician is to have a 2-dimensional brain < 1595072739 226340 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a cortex? < 1595072815 600208 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like a Befunge interpreter < 1595072833 143159 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :t20kdc: it's "2-dimensional" but not in the cellular automaton sense, it has random access read/write commands < 1595072867 901577 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something-"entanglement"-something < 1595072874 689906 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1595072900 744483 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) that's not how quantum works, (2) if it was possible, we didn't still have such non-powerful multi-layer ICs as our processors < 1595072930 16774 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in regards to (1): I know but am joking < 1595072962 145320 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course our DRAMs emulate random access on those, through a slow bandwidth, an we run brainfuck and every other random access stuff on that or something similar < 1595072963 350984 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1595072981 453374 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :our DRAMs and our SSDs and our hard disks etc < 1595073165 111258 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :t20kdc: ah don't worry, I did get the Befunge reference. < 1595073469 286247 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595074176 230407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think icing might have the problem that it has connotations of softness, at least the crust has that the right way around (it's the hard outermost bit), AIUI the mantle is -- well, it's still solid, but sort of less so. < 1595074183 135328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Maybe the pedosphere is really the icing... though if so, someone's skimped on it as far as eating the Earth for dessert is concerned. < 1595074374 469343 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but icing is hard, it's cream that's soft, you can have either on a cake (or even none) < 1595074400 223547 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in a good cake < 1595074436 163461 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the crust should be soft (it's hard in some desserts but I prefer soft ones), frozen sugar icing is hard and fragile and prone to fractures and icingquakes as you cut the cake < 1595074518 858544 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :chocolate icing, which I prefer over frozen sugar icing, are also fragile and prone to icingquakes, and can still be harder than the crust, definitely harder if you take only as thin a slice of the crust as the icing is < 1595074701 467712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess in situations where you do have icing, the crust does tend to be less hard. < 1595074716 526543 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also caramel icing < 1595074737 788728 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Dobos torta sugar icing < 1595074740 335644 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1595074771 167953 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is this going, are you all going to start licking the ground? < 1595074786 856986 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, we just want to develop esoteric terminology > 1595074976 922111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Affine Mess14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76029&oldid=75969 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+335) 10I think this explains my thoughts better than calling it a "work-in-progress". < 1595084580 779533 :ATMunn!ATMunn@tunnel479953-pt.tunnel.tserv18.dus1.ipv6.he.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595086146 810951 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595086747 265519 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595087034 155335 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595087625 436187 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : calling the top few kilometers of Earth "crust" in English is such a misleading term, it should be called the "icing", where "crust" should refer to the thick layer below it, what we now call "mantle" => lol < 1595087673 525275 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh github seems to have improved tracking review comments when updating commits (by force-pushing) < 1595087694 416179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're not only breaking things < 1595087846 760493 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: what about solid and liquid core, should they become hmm well I don’t know how it’s called in any language < 1595087974 820386 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo! jam and a gobstopper? < 1595087988 347256 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...in the opposite order. < 1595088553 796809 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1595089043 683332 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1595095099 63409 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Transortogonal Polymorphism14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76030 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+5429) 10+[[Transortogonal Polymorphism]] > 1595095102 660630 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76031&oldid=76014 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+34) 10+[[Transortogonal Polymorphism]] > 1595095105 995206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76032&oldid=76015 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+34) 10+[[Transortogonal Polymorphism]] > 1595095372 730225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Transortogonal Polymorphism14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76033&oldid=76030 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-9) 10Remove unused variable < 1595095381 473360 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :t20kdc: haha < 1595095547 111 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :though maybe not jam, jam seems to be too soft. Maybe something like mm how’s it called, that almost solid chewy caramel thing?.. < 1595096072 160391 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :araseniiv: I think "core" is fine < 1595096101 317984 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost solid chewy caramel thing => aww. it's toffee. I hate it. < 1595096114 139408 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too sticky < 1595096127 20995 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, toffee? ... I need to go get an excavator! < 1595096171 787089 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :t20kdc: alas, no. https://xkcd.com/2058/ < 1595096919 589857 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: but there’s so much iron and nickel that’s a good idea anyway. We could build so many bridges < 1595099574 839807 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1595099942 833517 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595100483 330702 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit > 1595101058 889995 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Transortogonal Polymorphism14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76034&oldid=76033 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+1566) 10Add a new example < 1595105117 82347 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595108890 135369 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1595111331 250633 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Transortogonal Polymorphism14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76035&oldid=76034 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+3771) 10Add one more example < 1595112762 857177 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595112827 669281 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595112842 435286 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1595113213 168935 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595113237 807549 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1595113921 25146 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595113943 809444 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1595114803 463741 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595114865 828725 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595114888 563889 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595114947 633372 :ATMunn!ATMunn@tunnel479953-pt.tunnel.tserv18.dus1.ipv6.he.net QUIT :Quit: lol rip < 1595114947 741343 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595114951 724593 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595114956 2380 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595114979 527041 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1595114984 463081 :ATMunn!ATMunn@2a01:20e:1000:119::2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595115128 323133 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1595115137 467491 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esoteric < 1595120371 578219 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which C compilers (if any) violate the assumption: 'xy'=='x'*'\1\0'+'y'*'\0\1' > 1595120617 918285 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76036&oldid=76023 5* 03DanielCristofani 5* (+148) 10 < 1595121753 891500 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric > 1595122596 264758 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Nil14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76037&oldid=76026 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+208) 10/* Idea for interpreters */ < 1595122999 56793 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595124524 394826 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is the assumption I use in my programs which use such a thing.) < 1595124691 723502 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found that apparently MSVC will compile multi character constants differently depending whether or not they are escaped. But, I think MSVC doesn't implement GNU extensions anyways. < 1595131095 23121 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595131987 599773 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595132958 642712 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595133780 693336 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595135018 265645 :Ara^1966!~Ara@121.186.111.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595135081 956137 :Ara^1966!~Ara@121.186.111.248 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595135288 289747 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595135307 550020 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595138894 539977 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595138997 466771 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a format for writing a poll/survey, and can be distributed by itself as a plain ASCII text file, but can also be processed by a JavaScript program which can convert it to JSON and can write results to a SQLite database (so that you can then use SQL to count the results and stuff like that). < 1595139367 35327 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people who answer the survey can do so without needing a web browser or other software; even if you want to, you can print it on a paper and do it that way. It is a plain ASCII text file which should be readable by anyone. < 1595139421 475581 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program accesses the SQLite database by communicating with the "sqlite3" command line program; I wrote my own implementations of sqlite3_complete and sqlite3_expanded_sql in JavaScript, in order to work this. > 1595140636 38729 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Palace14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76038 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+2851) 10+[[Palace]] > 1595140638 774887 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76039&oldid=76031 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+13) 10+[[Palace]] > 1595140640 722682 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76040&oldid=76032 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+13) 10+[[Palace]] < 1595141918 473892 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595142072 614918 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I think that such a format should be used when making up a survey on the computer. < 1595142132 142404 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::48 QUIT :Client Quit < 1595142649 930724 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595143074 727408 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1595143905 468462 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Snowflake14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76041&oldid=76024 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+261) 10 > 1595144461 251271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Gdelfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76042&oldid=76019 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+174) 10this is how Natural and Unnatural gf are calculated in the one equation > 1595144634 975355 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Gdelfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76043&oldid=76042 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+12) 10/* Conversion to Brainfoctal */ ital > 1595145395 817917 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/bf814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76044&oldid=75995 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+24) 10/* FizzBuzz (or -4122 -8022) */ fizz, buzz values > 1595146184 754164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Gdelfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76045&oldid=76043 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+115) 10/* Conversion to Brainfoctal */ < 1595148239 889041 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595148932 915202 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595148952 998265 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1595149007 856610 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1595149687 978740 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1595150107 8997 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595150127 848829 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1595151200 33892 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1595151306 518107 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1595151437 236255 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595151455 728707 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595152042 712148 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595155724 477100 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595155987 317856 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595156150 924077 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1595156158 520574 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1595161594 958025 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esoteric < 1595161666 660060 :sprock1em!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1595161975 911661 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :*.net *.split < 1595161976 56497 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :*.net *.split < 1595161976 533630 :catern!~catern@catern.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1595161976 779920 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :*.net *.split < 1595161976 779959 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-b0480e-37.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1595162367 667949 :catern!~catern@catern.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1595162385 60677 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1595162401 592789 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-b0480e-37.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1595162918 953922 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specker_sequence < 1595163994 285651 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-255.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1595164153 474760 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting < 1595164210 894200 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1595165626 992965 :sprock1em!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1595165646 281182 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1595167647 688717 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595168539 368698 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulus of convergence is a good thing yeah < 1595169608 463669 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric > 1595170885 420506 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76046&oldid=76027 5* 03Eric-D-Culver 5* (+285) 10/* Based on dimensions */ 1D pointer new idea > 1595170914 137977 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76047&oldid=76046 5* 03Eric-D-Culver 5* (+1) 10/* Based on dimensions */ fixed typo < 1595171729 861080 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1595174197 840355 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03FLeckami21 5* 10New user account < 1595175247 610424 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1595175672 759318 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76048&oldid=75990 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+188) 10/* Introductions */ < 1595176615 165971 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595177133 809121 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1595182091 213452 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76049&oldid=76047 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+51) 10/* General Ideas */ > 1595182328 800486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76050&oldid=76049 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+161) 10/* General Ideas */ > 1595182449 836757 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76051&oldid=76050 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+27) 10/* General Ideas */ < 1595183031 498496 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1595189706 114518 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1595189726 897139 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595189809 928045 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1595192822 988961 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595193608 56115 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1595194947 238304 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1595195280 513146 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1595195337 875508 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1595196176 371746 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wreuwawiyrbofgws JOIN :#esoteric < 1595198801 761927 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595198864 825276 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595198886 626772 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595199275 689871 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595199282 69722 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595199361 791617 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1595201656 904777 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read of a variant of PNG called PNG 16, which uses 16 bits per pixel in saturation.intensity.hue format, but because a lot of them are black, there is "black magic" added, which implements indexed colours, colour cycling, and transparency; the transparency can also adjust the background intensity, and cycling supports multiple cycles that can overlap and can run at different rates and can refer to other cycles and can contain transpar < 1595201870 72474 :probablymoony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :moony < 1595204493 320553 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: saturation, intensity, hue as in CIELUV or CIEUVW (or alike), or like poor little HSL? < 1595204525 783691 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry I initiated discussion and then I just log off < 1595204797 858109 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1595204924 922307 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I think is more closely related to HSL < 1595206811 126173 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wreuwawiyrbofgws QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1595207093 46049 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595208591 796997 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1595211857 101901 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76052&oldid=76036 5* 03DanielCristofani 5* (+330) 10/* Examples */ > 1595212208 282844 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Affine Mess14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76053&oldid=76029 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+35) 10Added cat < 1595217522 547699 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595217583 838368 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1595221586 767183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76054&oldid=74264 5* 03Truttle1 5* (+606) 10Added Subleq < 1595221628 222798 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595222448 292502 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1595222679 757442 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c QUIT :Client Quit < 1595222773 775686 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1595223167 614978 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1595224950 829404 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595225038 37542 :Lebster53!5ce8cecf@cpc151581-shef16-2-0-cust718.17-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595225053 489719 :Lebster53!5ce8cecf@cpc151581-shef16-2-0-cust718.17-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595229843 352601 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595231487 563741 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595232233 512412 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595232343 854344 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595232511 884984 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595232683 835751 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595234032 587444 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1595236738 384635 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1595237576 88035 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76055&oldid=76052 5* 03DanielCristofani 5* (+63) 10 < 1595239740 749360 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1595239822 836195 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1595239883 90533 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1595242137 215338 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1595242535 320752 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1595250197 753486 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595251592 874459 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heavpoot: Hello < 1595254289 811498 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595258184 916930 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1595259159 963269 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76056&oldid=76055 5* 03Sinthorion 5* (+1470) 10Strict Rui < 1595260852 6086 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595263035 586431 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1595264123 233176 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling NICK :Guest68516 < 1595264400 700721 :Guest68516!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1595268139 436904 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Duckologist 5* 10New user account > 1595268559 82268 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76057&oldid=76048 5* 03Duckologist 5* (+219) 10Introduced myself > 1595268652 245647 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0725614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76058&oldid=65190 5* 03Duckologist 5* (+0) 10Fixed misspelling ("commamd" > "command") < 1595268732 958573 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1595269115 164910 :Heavpoot!92c672f8@248.114.198.146.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595269530 275257 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric > 1595269883 237363 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76059&oldid=65292 5* 03Duckologist 5* (+375) 10/* "Stack-based" but uses variables? */ new section > 1595269932 107649 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76060&oldid=76059 5* 03Duckologist 5* (+92) 10Add "~~~~" < 1595271950 417228 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could write some man pages for TeXnicard, although the distributor will have to edit some of them when making the package. Probably the man pages would be texnicard(1), texnicardpm(1), texnicardvc(1), and sepout(5), and the first three would mention what directory to find the other documentation files, as well as other files (such as system.ps and newdb.sql, both of which are needed at runtime). < 1595272004 912699 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much is done with other programs, where the distributors will need to edit the man pages in this way? < 1595272074 636669 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1595272443 141780 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I recall that Miredo uses macroified manpages (as so: https://github.com/fgp/miredo/blob/1.2-patches/doc/miredo-server.8-in#L81 ) < 1595272550 521071 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, troff macros would work, I suppose. Although, it looks like that isn't using troff macros; it is something else, it look like < 1595273167 644129 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :managed to finish the `load` instruction for RAM. performs surprisingly quick. > 1595273187 78743 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0725614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76061&oldid=76058 5* 03Duckologist 5* (+1) 10Fix typo ("lenth" > "length") < 1595273315 266376 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hastebin.com/axerexubam.txt < 1595273510 210656 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :performance isn't great but I think I can just expose some builtins to seek to a particular pattern left or right. < 1595273529 73589 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to having to move through each and every data bit. < 1595274449 798873 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh btw, I complained about github using "Cancel" in a confusing way a while back. I've run into this again and this time I understand my thought process. https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/cancel-cancel.png ... I'm trying to cancel something, that's the last thing I clicked. It doesn't really matter what the text inside the popup says. < 1595274751 862233 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-shbpeknakpttcapk JOIN :#esoteric < 1595275043 725596 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595275345 147816 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:7120:721d:1d25:4fa1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1595275448 976920 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Palace14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76062&oldid=76038 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+1) 10/* Predecesor */ typo > 1595275470 139414 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Caenbe14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76063 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+821) 10Created page with "I think of esolang ideas as hobbies/mathematical exercises. The only language I've posted to the wiki is [[Affine Mess]], but there may be more coming. I'm currently working o..." < 1595275587 781280 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: does it also have "Would you like to consider such-and-such process? Yes, No, Cancel" < 1595275672 36315 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a preference for [Yes] [Ok] [Continue]. < 1595275709 753698 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no, I don't think it has that kind of confusing ternary logic. < 1595275718 768428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abort, Retry, Ignore, Fail. < 1595275726 487366 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRUE|FALSE|FILE_NOT_FOUND < 1595275745 649088 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, good old dailywtf < 1595275752 695003 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's an actual DOS prompt, or close enough to fool me < 1595275756 866420 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that still exist? < 1595275804 424631 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: of course? < 1595275824 334836 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know, nothing is certain on the WWW) < 1595275853 127388 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It got boring after a while though. < 1595275874 346608 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember the quality (and espacially the quantity) varying widely between entries < 1595275888 114226 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOS is still sometimes used, such as with DOSBOX. Some people still write DOS programs. < 1595275900 105597 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: That goes with the territory. < 1595275903 322184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I looked around, and while I really feel like "Abort, Retry, Ignore, Fail" did exist, the Internet suggests it was just "Abort, Retry, Ignore?" and then in DOS 3.3 changed to "Abort, Retry, Fail?". < 1595275918 484973 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: It's a bit like writing comedy but they don't discard the 95% that are not funny enough. < 1595275951 369183 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still remember my favourite comments about the doRunRun() < 1595275965 556347 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: With my own experience of DOS, that is what seems to be the case, and not "Abort, Retry, Ignore, Fail". < 1595275965 990532 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Having both Abort and Fail is pretty awful. < 1595275995 419209 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although it might depend on what the operation is.) < 1595276017 380369 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://thedailywtf.com/articles/comments/A-Method-by-Any-Other-Name there it is < 1595276037 419779 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You met it on a Monday and your heart stood still. The doRunRunRun(), the doRunRun()." < 1595276039 139363 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm actually satisfied by the fact that all four verbs featured at some point in time. < 1595276090 668287 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I added this file for the distributor to set the directory names to be listed in the man page: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/texnicard.ui/artifact/bfa6bfece7ddb6fd < 1595276107 448663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual Basic famously had the 'On Error Resume Next' directive, for when you didn't want to worry about error handling. < 1595276130 447637 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :loved that < 1595276138 191468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, s/had/has/, it's not like it's gone anywhere. < 1595276148 391203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/visual-basic/language-reference/statements/on-error-statement "Specifies that when a run-time error occurs, control goes to the statement immediately following the statement where the error occurred, and execution continues from that point." < 1595276205 882829 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: is that a setup for a Duran Duran joke < 1595276206 713244 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, and in the DOS BASIC also. < 1595276242 158744 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-qqi7-Q19k > 1595276602 461123 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Caenbe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76064&oldid=76063 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+0) 10Removed ambiguity < 1595276884 504698 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595277467 730811 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1595277678 341372 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76065&oldid=76060 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+346) 10 < 1595277759 959978 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595277899 155944 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric > 1595278022 706791 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Transfinity14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76066 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+4585) 10+[[Transfinity]] > 1595278029 551838 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76067&oldid=76039 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+18) 10+[[Transfinity]] > 1595278033 920857 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76068&oldid=76040 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+18) 10+[[Transfinity]] < 1595278302 893351 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595278468 874531 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1595278808 806984 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595279132 136460 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, and I might add, since visual basic has stupid conditions that you can only recognize by catching an error, even such as looking up an object by name in some collections of objects, you often want to ignore errors for just one line, in which case On Error Resume Next is simpler. I still tend to use On Error Goto , because it's cleaner, and more versions of visual basic support < 1595279138 93170 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it. > 1595279511 821803 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76069&oldid=76065 5* 03Duckologist 5* (+160) 10/* -- (and ++) is used in code samples but not mention in specs? */ new section < 1595281512 885969 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” > 1595282275 378187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0725614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76070&oldid=76061 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (+84) 10/* Computational class */ Weakened claim about Turing completeness > 1595282833 527123 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unicode14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76071&oldid=69950 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (+130) 10A bit more detail < 1595283039 580644 :laerling!~laerling@static.235.77.203.116.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1595283064 569223 :laerling!~laerling@static.235.77.203.116.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host < 1595283064 569279 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling JOIN :#esoteric < 1595283948 198297 :spruit11!~unknown@ip56522cc1.speed.planet.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1595284592 48339 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Quit: gone too far < 1595285017 416455 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1595285048 324608 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76072&oldid=76069 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+221) 10 < 1595285762 45203 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1595285804 972067 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595286054 909579 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595286083 152804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh btw, I complained about github using "Cancel" in a confusing way a while back. ← a reminder that under the modern UI principle where one button states the action you're trying to perform and the other states "Cancel", /both/ buttons should have been marked "Cancel" < 1595286111 366620 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lol < 1595286128 669575 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should be "Cancel, Cancel"? which one should be on the left? < 1595286154 286546 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which one should be the default for pressing enter, the other presumably getting activated from pressing escape or closing the window? < 1595286293 466832 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should think, the one to perform the action is done if you push enter, and escape will make it to not do, can be the way to do. < 1595286307 440443 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although maybe it should be yes/no) < 1595286325 183829 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok, but how about in the case of this "Cancel, Cancel" dialog? < 1595286454 704311 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, is that only when you cancel an action planned in the future where the action hasn't started and the UI is waiting in a dialog to give input for the action, or also when the action is already in progress and the user interrupted it and wants to abandon it mid-run? < 1595286654 522501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the button to accept the cancel is on the right, to cancel the cancel is on the left < 1595286659 164369 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595286668 892467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Return should accept the cancel, Esc should cancel the cancel < 1595286692 183474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think the latter of your two cases is more important, in the former then cancelling the action normally shouldn't require a confirmation < 1595286707 153247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it involves other people, in which case better wording would be, e.g., "are you sure you want to delete this appointment?" < 1595286741 298887 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net NICK :Arcorann < 1595286755 265516 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, though in windows, cancelling an installer before it starts making changes usually still asks for confirmation, even if it's effectively required because it told you it can't install something due to lack of a dependency < 1595286786 876788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is mostly just the installer manufacturers being self-important, isn't it? < 1595286795 965344 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cancel dialog can make sense for cases like that when you've made lots of tricky data entry in the dialog for the action that you might not want to have to repeat < 1595286802 651025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the installers taking ages to load < 1595286803 339433 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, probably < 1595286818 840901 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used to, these days they don't take that much time to load (on a modern machine) < 1595286821 227067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, though, on a well-designed OS, the installer should require very little configuration or user intervention < 1595286906 701014 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The user may wish to customize the installation though < 1595286929 242814 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I'd prefer them to give more choices to me. there are installers that insist on changing system-global settings or user-global settings that don't need to be changed to use the program, and installers that insist on installing system-globally if your user is in the administrator group that can gain privilages to do that, even though the installer can install the program user-locally if you run it < 1595286935 283544 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a non-administrator user < 1595286943 642858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which OS is this on? < 1595286946 556564 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 10 < 1595286956 662552 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not all installers are like that, some are saner < 1595286964 719060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for NetHack4 I made the Windows installer system-global only, because the Windows Installer support for system-global versus user-global installation is actually broken < 1595286977 712152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it conditionally replaces some directories on the install path but not all of them < 1595287015 652101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other breakages, e.g. the intended use involves linking Start menu entries to registry entries for no obvious reason < 1595287039 653278 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly many installers on windows are much better < 1595287046 687845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NH4's installer hits a large number of validation failures if run through the official validator for installers, they're all intentional and all working around misfeatures < 1595287081 812027 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can install git for windows, which I install not really for git but for the usable MSYS installation and lots of simple MSYS programs bundled with it, and I can install that without changing anything global < 1595287089 50433 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are other nice installers like that < 1595287170 696435 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it be downloaded without the installer? < 1595287191 166824 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, as a self-extracting zip file that I can extract with 7zip < 1595287216 229489 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I extract it, and then it has a post-install batch file that it says you have to run once to run git, but IIRC you don't need it to run MSYS < 1595287264 875161 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how I install MSYS, with its putty-based mintty terminal, vim, and command-line utilities like find and grep, on windows machines these days < 1595287308 105900 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even installs a perl interpreter, though that one is one built for an MSYS target, which is not as good as one built for a windows target (in which windows support still sucks, mind you). this still applies to some of the other MSYS programs, but those are still usable. < 1595287394 209776 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f JOIN :#esoteric < 1595287434 701590 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are on Windows 10 then you might want to install the program in WSL, perhaps, instead of MSYS < 1595287436 216824 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also install 7zip; that one does really need to access the registry, because I want the explorer plugin. If you only want the command-line client, you can just copy it; if you only want the 7z GUI program, I don't know if you need to install. < 1595287470 699278 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I haven't really researched WSL, but I don't think that's what I want < 1595287532 313662 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want a linux runtime on windows, I want utilities like grep and vim on windows, programs that make sense on either system, but I want a version that's close to something built to native windows, they just don't happen to have a native port close than that. < 1595287533 989718 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly some programs you may want to be in Windows, although sometimes WSL will work, and sometimes you might want both, I suppose. But if the program is a Linux program and you are installing it on WSL, then I don't know if it has provisions for installing stuff into the start menu < 1595287609 445915 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also other programs that I could probably use without at least a user-global installation on windows 10, but haven't yet figured out how to do it. < 1595287702 158191 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595287779 804738 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm asking about the difference between the two cases mostly because in the first case the labels would still be the same when the GUI language is different, whereas in the latter case they might differ < 1595287905 331092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, some languages have different words in common usage for "unschedule" versus "curtail"? < 1595287922 579651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's not surprising, there are unambiguous words for that in English, they just aren't used very often < 1595288017 118351 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it depends, "interrupt" would sort of work for the latter in English, only that doesn't clearly say that you won't finish the work, you might continue it after an interruption; "abandon" or "exit" or "I changed my mind" might work in both cases < 1595288048 57179 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there are unambiguous words for them in Hungarian either, but your preferred word might change < 1595288068 459441 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because cancel buttons normally say "Mégse", which corresponds better to the first case < 1595288098 199989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"curtail" is almost unambiguous (in theory the verb could refer to scheduling the cancellation of an ongoing process at some future time, but that's unlikely to be what the user wants) < 1595288107 570710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's rarely used < 1595288157 535091 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's also "give up" < 1595288178 696245 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only that, the formal equivalent "forfeit" wouldn't work < 1595288189 853057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm amazed that "GO AWAY" isn't an INTERCAL command < 1595288204 431763 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, "leave" < 1595288225 420243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would jump to a random (numbered?) line and start executing from there? seems fairly easy to implement, albeit even less useful than most features in INTERCAL < 1595288264 639358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think almost all Finnish cancel buttons say "peruuta", which is the imperative mood of the verb "peruuttaa", which has a couple of context-sensitive uses (of a vehicle, to back up; of a marriage, to annul; and so on), even when better alternatives would exist. < 1595288288 419322 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "annul" < 1595288307 412932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think INTERCAL is better off having commands that are quirky but usable, rather than entirely useless < 1595288318 588084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd like to see "dissolve" in a GUI as well.) < 1595288327 308320 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, it is probably correct < 1595288332 321932 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, when would you use that? < 1595288395 570975 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Abandon" would probably have worked on most cancel buttons in English, but it's probably too late to change that now < 1595288415 547217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe when you've made some sort of a grouping, and decide to remove it. < 1595288426 411997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: it's still ambiguous in the cancel-a-cancel case < 1595288433 535775 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1595288455 296735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what it's worth, "discard" has seen a recent surge of usage for the "accept a cancel" case < 1595288478 834217 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1595288499 50384 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595288720 756039 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, another GUI confirmation dialog box that I dislike is in VBA, when you want to delete a module from the project. it asks something to the effect of "Would you like to export this module before deleting it?" and only has Yes and No as buttons. If it had a Cancel button to make it not delete the module, it would be better, but since it only has Yes and No, as a user you can think it's asking < 1595288726 844973 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to confirm deleting the module and give the opposite answer. < 1595288827 799098 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a small complaint. the positive side is that you can script the VBA editor itself with the same VBA and just type something like VBE.Module("module name here").Remove into the Immediate window to delete a module without a confirmation prompt. < 1595288877 257440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it delete the module for both yes and no? < 1595288889 151725 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, but it won't delete it if you cancel the save dialog < 1595288958 382250 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is useful because importing a VBA module from a file (after deleting its previous version) is a reasonable way to do a string eval after running an external program to write you VBA code, and you may want that because VBA is not a very good language, so you may want to do computations in a separate program, though it seems you can also just mostly avoid VBA entirely and use the COM interface of the < 1595288964 439062 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :program that you're macroing directly from a program in some other language < 1595289033 955635 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the possible exception that you may need to write at least a VBA stub for a custom command that you want to assign to a menu entry or toolbar button or keyboard shortcut in the program that you're macroing, but there's probably a way to do even that without VBA, I just don't know it < 1595289093 955244 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus of course in programs that have a macro recorder (the one that I'm macroing doesn't), that usually emits the syntax of only one macro language, with the notable exception of Excel < 1595289137 378730 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-shbpeknakpttcapk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1595289212 484540 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is there a version of Word after Word 6 that still has WordBasic but also has a COM interface? or maybe a version of CorelDraw or WordPerfect that has both CorelBasic and a COM interface? or a version of LibreOffice for windows with a COM interface? < 1595289250 765447 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter might be the most likely, since I think you can't use COM interface on a non-windows platform < 1595289279 767308 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least I think you can't use it on Linux, I don't know about windows < 1595289329 882025 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a port of Excel 5, the program that introduced VBA, onto Mac OS classic, maybe that has VBA support < 1595289476 482381 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f JOIN :#esoteric < 1595289517 261512 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, Wine is a windows platform, just as Cygwin is a unix platform) < 1595289541 872782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1595289544 466331 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is XPCOM, but I don't know if they use it < 1595289594 232523 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and DOS4GW is a ... dunno) < 1595289651 308343 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that one is probably still a DOS platform) < 1595289724 465715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "DOS extender" is the standard term for DOS4GW and it's ilk, for better or worse. < 1595289770 65745 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there really an "its ilk"? I mean, are there ones like it that aren't just versions of DOS4GW? < 1595289785 114634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure. < 1595289835 481794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CWSDPMI from DJGPP, maybe most popularly. < 1595289845 888974 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there are DOS reimplementations, like freedos, the stuff in some windows NT versions, and the DOS in OS-2 < 1595289862 65526 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks, I'm not too familiar with DOS programming < 1595289891 483915 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595289904 314158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and PMODE/W, for Watcom. < 1595289966 216523 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe actually the DOS-based windows platforms (Windows 3, Windows 95, Windows 95 OSR2, Windows 98) should count as "its ilk", when they're running a native program < 1595290244 699095 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are all of those 32-bit DOS extenders, or are some of them 16-bit protected mode ones like Win16? < 1595290384 859800 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-skrqflelosmncsyk JOIN :#esoteric < 1595290399 565331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595290399 565394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595290831 756578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of those were for the 32-bit protected mode on a 386, I think. But I think 16-bit DPMI servers existed too. < 1595291762 249280 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is Windows 3.0 or windows 3.1 one of them? < 1595291805 781513 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how DPMI works < 1595292105 855177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH, I don't remember the details all that well, although I did know it moderately well at some point. Yes, I think Windows 3.x implements both 16- and 32-bit DPMI for DOS programs. < 1595292141 716755 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only windows 3.1 I think, windows 3.0 doesn't < 1595292462 293776 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1595292615 980099 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1595293403 798147 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595293496 692260 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a 64-bit DPMI (or "DLMI")? < 1595293602 680376 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595295976 453300 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f JOIN :#esoteric < 1595296275 465084 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1595297455 195341 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HQ9F+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76073&oldid=68662 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (-2) 10/* Links */ Wait no NOT C++ but just C. < 1595297648 991110 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595298990 215616 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9960:35:ec5a:ad1:21e0:91bc QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1595299004 76375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Stormboy876 5* 10New user account < 1595299232 320645 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f JOIN :#esoteric < 1595299497 302817 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1595300204 697832 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1595302473 414780 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f JOIN :#esoteric < 1595302773 477170 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595302869 666839 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595302937 436211 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-skrqflelosmncsyk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1595304762 876889 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Affine Mess14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76074&oldid=76053 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+104) 10Clarification > 1595305306 275654 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:The Past14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76075&oldid=71405 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+401) 10Time travel doesn't matter? < 1595305718 782322 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f JOIN :#esoteric < 1595306022 775817 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1595306415 159039 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595306437 149502 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595307670 522605 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595307765 53065 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting patterns pop up where you least expect them. a better formulation for RAM in string rewrite rules, when utilizing the address:value pair approach, would be to always move the last-read value to the head of the list of pairs. you'd end up with more recently used addresses accessed far quicker which.. behaves suspiciously like a cache. < 1595308963 371450 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f JOIN :#esoteric < 1595309271 410076 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:9d3e:8b22:f788:6f9f QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595311735 443737 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:75c1:8208:b699:2c1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595312045 400374 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:75c1:8208:b699:2c1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595313539 779898 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:75c1:8208:b699:2c1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595313653 617478 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595314705 279767 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly in future once TeXnicard is made up more, some people may wish to set up SSH to access TeXnicard on the internet, so that it can be used from Windows as well as Linux. (If doing so, one thing that might be useful to provide there would be a program for users to manage groups, in order to control who has access to the card database.) > 1595314820 462218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:25614]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76076&oldid=76072 5* 03Duckologist 5* (+94) 10Fix typo and add "~~~~" < 1595315328 402150 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The software is nevertheless designed to be usable locally, and does not use a internet connection, but to be able to import/export change sets so that you still can make collaboration with others using internet, or by copying the files to an external disk or CompactFlash or whatever) < 1595315723 970338 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1595316170 874791 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595316292 850941 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1285333002252247040.html this was cool < 1595316521 602426 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That < 1595316544 808535 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's certainly a paranoid way of looking at it < 1595317156 113025 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pretty interesting concept though! < 1595317179 800059 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is unfortunate how opaque these modern AI things are < 1595317198 328168 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're just self organized and automatically trained soups of weights < 1595318386 675586 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the main mistake here is that we tend to train a single AI for a task. So it'll make consistently flawed decisions at massive scale. This doesn't happen when you delegate similar tasks to people (who are far from perfect) because individuals can't be scaled up, so you are forced to allow some diversity in the decision making process. < 1595318435 509866 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, just a thought on top of the usual idea that AIs should be able to justify their decisions in some human comrpehensible form. < 1595318932 975315 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595319490 499103 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Girl Genius didn't update yesterday < 1595319553 911593 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, pity. < 1595319575 943345 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering how Krosp will cope with the ensuing poisoning. < 1595319830 706778 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1595320516 165416 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76077&oldid=75477 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+205) 10more betterness, less worseness < 1595321379 512960 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a8dd/2ef009df7601cdbc90332765a56a24c7821c.pdf < 1595321389 357959 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting result, ww is not context free but wm where m =/= w is < 1595321433 912087 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen it before, it's a fun exercise < 1595321469 197530 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was folklore though. < 1595321590 417058 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :more to the point, I thought that was the canonical example for showing that CFGs are not closed under complement. < 1595321617 409608 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to think about why ww is not context free, that's a shame, i should know that < 1595321624 34025 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah > 1595321630 659908 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76078 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3524) 10Created page with "
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1595321812 656428 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76079&oldid=76078 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3525) 10 < 1595321883 821557 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[7] is golden < 1595321947 475392 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1595322184 393690 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dblp.uni-trier.de/pers/hd/t/Tomaszewski:Zach is the same person < 1595322193 403777 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly the formal languages expert :P < 1595322571 918628 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1595322613 623511 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76080&oldid=76079 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3618) 10 > 1595322651 48078 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0725614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76081&oldid=76070 5* 03Duckologist 5* (+288) 10Better example and information for 5 and 2 command, and added how variables can be printed (also fixed typos) > 1595322652 334966 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76082&oldid=76080 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3617) 10 > 1595322748 322774 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76083&oldid=76082 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3617) 10 > 1595322809 869954 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76084&oldid=76083 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3617) 10 > 1595322853 619654 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76085&oldid=76084 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3617) 10 > 1595322925 588124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76086&oldid=76085 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3617) 10 > 1595322962 832069 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76087&oldid=76086 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3617) 10 > 1595323156 915558 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76088&oldid=76087 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+4208) 10 > 1595323378 357629 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76089&oldid=76088 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3836) 10 > 1595323520 118407 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76090&oldid=76089 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+3866) 10 > 1595323646 552736 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76091&oldid=75834 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+38) 10Clear up syntax > 1595323743 644776 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76092&oldid=76090 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+4845) 10 > 1595323746 717454 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76093&oldid=76091 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+43) 10/* Syntax */ < 1595323860 750749 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF?! < 1595323959 213630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, what a user talk page. < 1595323960 157734 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...those user talk page edits... < 1595324007 861973 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you can insert html there? < 1595324108 909793 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's arbitrary CSS. < 1595324115 703653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1595324146 924758 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML. Mind wandering: allowing custom CSS is why this is allowed for
elements, I think. < 1595324479 231077 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely that's breaking some sort of rule about talk pages < 1595324484 179176 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: So basically I think this is working as designed... but CSS is crazy. < 1595324501 782892 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :css IS crazy < 1595324516 58765 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :css3 and html5 together are tc iirc < 1595324548 667158 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HTML5" is a huge bag of crap. < 1595324554 896859 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1595324593 73040 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i basically know about html5 is video/audio and also elements like dialog that look weirdly foreign to me < 1595324619 500426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's not referring just to a plain markup language; it includes DOM and a lot of other Javascript crap. < 1595324643 927619 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that's how I understand it. < 1595324657 508987 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recently re-learned about the navigator object < 1595324670 184977 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5#New_APIs < 1595324679 528373 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole object is basically hardcoded legacy api < 1595324711 273338 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and of course i stumbled over it while looking at code i kinda have to work with) < 1595324750 169132 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :web storage is awesome! < 1595324819 61237 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what annoys me the most are all those websites that ask for permission to send notification for no reason < 1595324960 43040 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that the primary use of those technologies will be better tracking < 1595324973 95054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of them do the notification thing on the initial page load, before you've even seen any of the content, that's the stupidest part. < 1595324983 931567 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe, but i wouldn't want to go back to the web of the 90s < 1595325038 47772 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that odd notification service where the browser calls home to ask for new messages and the website gets an (identifiable) external link to send those messages to? < 1595325043 402390 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all pretty terrible. < 1595325105 567681 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody should make a proper glossary for such terms. "richer browsing experience" = targeted ads. < 1595325144 147358 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microdata_(HTML) ) < 1595325166 840499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"more relevant results" = targeted ads < 1595325213 581792 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really too bad that Google (with Chrome as a driver) is so powerful in the W3C. > 1595325245 705835 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76094&oldid=76057 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+1372) 10 < 1595325312 73759 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's difficult < 1595325322 234223 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is really good stuff < 1595325346 106459 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i even am kinda okay with that whole "oh no, our adblockers will not work anymore" api change < 1595325699 428475 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they can do whatever they want with their browser. I'd feel better about it if nobody used it though :P < 1595325781 325417 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still can't my wrap around how they manage to destroy their mobile browser > 1595325820 361452 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Heavpoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76095&oldid=75345 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+1686) 10 < 1595325948 541480 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:ccd2:804e:afc2:4ef JOIN :#esoteric > 1595325952 240737 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76096&oldid=76077 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+132) 10 > 1595325976 339044 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Heavpoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76097&oldid=76095 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+12254) 10 > 1595325986 154094 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76098&oldid=76096 5* 03Osmarks 5* (-1) 10 < 1595326012 403018 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, while I'm being paranoid: who's behind gravatar and what are they doing with all their tracking data? < 1595326039 964143 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, am I to assume that Heavpoot and Osmarks are the same person? > 1595326267 994564 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Heavpoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76099&oldid=76097 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+36205) 10 > 1595326777 550630 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76100&oldid=76098 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+267) 10 > 1595326974 270431 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Heavpoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76101&oldid=76099 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (-49539) 10Replaced content with "[[User:Heavpoot]] is a humanoid entity which exists, and is corporeal, much like most members of this community. ==Languages made== * Various undocumented esolangs which w..." > 1595327270 993567 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks/114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76102 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+4) 10Created page with "TODO" > 1595327282 781577 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76103&oldid=76100 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+72) 10 > 1595327318 503789 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks/114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76104&oldid=76102 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+102) 10 > 1595327360 669105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Heavpoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76105&oldid=76101 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+536) 10 > 1595327474 183625 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76106&oldid=76103 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+124) 10 > 1595327658 148051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Heavpoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76107&oldid=76105 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+134) 10 > 1595327860 486972 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Main Page14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76108&oldid=76028 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (-63) 10fixed typos < 1595327895 337269 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't get why google made duet mode useless > 1595328035 762277 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76109&oldid=76108 5* 03Int-e 5* (+63) 10Undo revision 76108 by [[Special:Contributions/Heavpoot|Heavpoot]] ([[User talk:Heavpoot|talk]]) -- revert vandalism < 1595328056 645079 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs dramatically. > 1595328601 103724 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76110&oldid=76093 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+300) 10Add IO pipes > 1595328809 366528 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76111&oldid=76110 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-23) 10/* I/O */ < 1595328886 98251 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1595328910 205180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76112&oldid=76111 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+18) 10/* I/O */ > 1595328994 635130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76113&oldid=76112 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+4) 10/* I/O */ < 1595329011 251002 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1595329062 882530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76114&oldid=76113 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+0) 10/* Examples */ < 1595329105 915892 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1595329106 271004 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1595329125 248627 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76115&oldid=76114 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+20) 10/* Examples */ < 1595330300 996400 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1595330323 558062 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages-quiet < 1595330323 558113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1595330329 703398 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1595330329 703468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages > 1595330340 176938 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MAWP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76116&oldid=74420 5* 03Dion 5* (+61) 10 < 1595330349 98151 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1595330349 202037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1595330443 964945 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595330636 97106 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595330641 895195 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let { data CoNat = Z | S CoNat | Inf; prec' Z = Nothing; prec' (S n) = Just n; prec' Inf = Just Inf; succ' Nothing = Z; succ' (Just Inf) = Inf; succ' (Just n) = S n; } -- explicit encoding of conaturals is useful sometimes, and in this formulation prec' and succ' are mutual inverses, though this succ' may be less useful than its summands < 1595330643 246755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : .L.hs:189:14: error: < 1595330643 246799 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Multiple declarations of ‘S’ < 1595330643 246808 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Declared at: .L.hs:164:12 < 1595330669 274410 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :t S < 1595330671 464839 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: error: parse error on input ‘:’ < 1595330678 727405 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type S < 1595330679 888537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ski < 1595330684 837601 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha < 1595330691 370062 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@info Ski < 1595330691 370109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ski < 1595330691 793077 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fair! < 1595330700 486685 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are conaturals? < 1595330720 653470 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is when you treat `data Nat = Z | S Nat` as a codata < 1595330734 168821 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1595330744 577273 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are, primarily, a coalgebra, but they admit successor anyway < 1595330773 905230 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get how that's different from naturals, maybe besides inf < 1595330779 936395 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m bad at expaining this, yeah < 1595330841 248005 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inf and its properties are a natural (oh, pun) consequence of this codata-coalgebra vs. algebra thing < 1595330864 819156 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, they aren’t just a coalgebra, they are a final coalgebra, like Nat is an initial algebra < 1595330870 776646 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the same functor < 1595330878 841965 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that should make this a bit clearer < 1595330883 382841 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the functor is Maybe < 1595330908 384737 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, in mathematical terms, X ↦ 1 + X) > 1595330967 958871 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rui14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76117&oldid=76056 5* 03DanielCristofani 5* (+108) 10/* Examples */ > 1595330974 132271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76118&oldid=75958 5* 03D 5* (+34) 10 > 1595331130 586063 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks/114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76119&oldid=76104 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+1362) 10 < 1595331141 513404 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :an initial algebra means there is an unique morphism from it to any other algebra on the same functor, and now I tried to write its signature and mixed up something < 1595331331 602423 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be { foldNat :: Nat → (Maybe a → a) → a; foldNat Z f = f Nothing; foldNat (S n) f = f (Just $ foldNat n f) } if I’m not mistaken > 1595331378 412523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76120&oldid=76118 5* 03D 5* (+1) 10/* Instruction list */ < 1595331400 140052 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and succ' :: Maybe Nat → Nat is a Nat algebra itself > 1595331680 66903 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DDuuaall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76121&oldid=76120 5* 03D 5* (+52) 10/* Primalty Tester */ < 1595331714 392681 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, CoNat is a final coalgebra which means there is a unique morphism to it from any Maybe-coalgebra, which means < 1595331714 536614 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ unfoldCoNat :: a → (a → Maybe a) → CoNat; unfoldCoNat x f = case f x of { Nothing → Z; Just y → S $ unfoldCoNat y f } } < 1595331714 536660 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this definition doesn’t work properly with an explicit encoding, as it should somehow detect infinite recursion and return Inf in that case. If we take plain Nat and treat it as codata, that would work fine, because Inf is encoded as `inf = S inf` there < 1595331820 745596 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we also of course have that Nat is a coalgebra (there is precNat :: Nat → Maybe Nat) and CoNat is an algebra (succ' above), just not the final/initial ones < 1595331903 777104 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used an explicit encoding of CoNat in a non-haskell implemetation of “run the machine an amount of steps, or to the end, and tell if it was aborted or halted naturally” < 1595331991 541506 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a lazy language of course an implicit “Nat is codata” encoding suffices just right before one wants to know if they specified an infinite amount of steps or not, in finite time < 1595332090 494445 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :“run the machine an amount of steps, or to the end, and tell if it was aborted or halted naturally” → and the latter just uses prec' to decide if there are any available steps to continue. CoNat values themselves are black boxes > 1595333062 320475 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Osmarks/114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76122&oldid=76119 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+51) 10 < 1595336911 758107 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595337456 816124 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1595340703 38464 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595342809 674102 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:ccd2:804e:afc2:4ef QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1595343482 562055 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0725614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76123&oldid=76081 5* 03Duckologist 5* (+265) 10Add interpreters section and another example < 1595344057 134674 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595344059 33097 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595344113 620413 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595344360 735394 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595344503 784524 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595345604 982815 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595348774 409799 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595349027 683441 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric > 1595349029 827849 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Transortogonal Polymorphism14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76124&oldid=76035 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+0) 10/* Object */ fix typo < 1595349152 17404 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1595349173 368410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1595349427 24895 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595351694 274706 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-46.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1595351755 911457 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dreamt that Knuth wrote a Pokemon fan story. At one point, someone had to switch a robot from big-endian to small-endian. < 1595351837 443771 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, at one point, someone was trying to catch a pokemon, but a second guy had tricked him and was actually following him (using some sort of quantum link) and caught the pokemon instead. But when the second guy tried to open the ball, the pokemon always disliked the second guy and went with the first guy, but refused to enter the first guy's ball and always went in the second guy's ball. < 1595352308 31996 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would think that such a thing would be inconvenient for everyone involved.) > 1595352669 614819 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MAWP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76125&oldid=76116 5* 03Dion 5* (+21) 10 < 1595353453 560321 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: very strange things < 1595353727 363414 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595354550 846559 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1595354572 919059 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595354716 151086 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-bebelkwvifzjgufa QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595355403 863315 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595355423 843395 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1595355659 174674 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595355996 963766 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vkixteckoyzuqnkx JOIN :#esoteric < 1595357246 957153 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.55.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595357827 653111 :ATMunn!ATMunn@2a01:20e:1000:119::2 QUIT :Quit: lol rip < 1595357830 386650 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1595357976 230911 :ATMunn!ATMunn@gateway/shell/hellomouse/x-ibwhbzcuhjjiwgva JOIN :#esoteric < 1595357990 441395 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1595358056 465821 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1595358119 407922 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1595358182 495807 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1595358414 530150 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1595359216 589951 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595359955 591933 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1595361141 420674 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595362169 435998 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595363776 478135 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1595363854 337913 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07KeyVM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76126&oldid=70822 5* 03Void 5* (+447) 10/* Distinguishing features */ < 1595363958 106082 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1595364201 364015 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07KeyVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76127&oldid=76126 5* 03Void 5* (-1) 10/* Computational class */ > 1595365258 277897 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Eiim 5* 10New user account > 1595365391 355192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76128&oldid=76094 5* 03Eiim 5* (+217) 10Introduced self < 1595366430 140628 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the generic convergent sequence is not discrete < 1595367876 557109 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1595368017 640325 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595368775 43540 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1595369338 787000 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595369452 978043 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595369579 3693 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1595369654 924374 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1595371755 741333 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1595372272 937254 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595372385 218329 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595372440 762870 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1595372704 797767 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595372726 992501 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1595372749 970985 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1595372889 565915 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1595373414 319595 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595374099 699452 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1595376445 918712 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks HackEso! You just helped me troubleshoot a work-related problem involving UTF-8 encoded Tamil and binary MARC (1960s binary format for library) records. Sharing because that's pretty esoteric, and surprising since joining #esoteric was more for procrastination than getting things done. < 1595376462 831242 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icode வி < 1595376464 239903 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+0BB5 TAMIL LETTER VA] [U+0BBF TAMIL VOWEL SIGN I] < 1595376509 946611 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1595376616 156325 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cleaned the computer; that seemed to to reduce the CPU temperature by 7 kelvin, although the motherboard temperature and graphics temperature seem to be the same as before. The room temperature seems to have increased, although that might be due to something else. (The room temperature as measured by a red temperature) < 1595376622 563192 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTR, no Unicode was incorrectly encoded, I needed confirmation I was locating utf8 byte strings within a binary format correctly. The problem was not because of Unicode :) < 1595377015 162927 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Room-temperature computing is a worthwhile goal. Definitely harder for some computers. < 1595377396 775258 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it expected that the mother board temperature should match the room temperature? > 1595377828 131611 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07The Past14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76129&oldid=71820 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+432) 10Added implementaion > 1595377982 998007 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:The Past14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76130&oldid=76075 5* 03Caenbe 5* (-84) 10Done. < 1595378658 647285 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I was facetiously referencing room-temperature quantum computing efforts, but I guess motherboard temperature can't be _exactly_ room temp. If so it'd be just computing brownian motion, and no work will be getting done. < 1595378716 258442 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The motherboard temperature is only slightly higher than the room temperature; the CPU temperature is higher than that. < 1595378955 198648 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I thought you loosely meant processor when you said 'motherboard' < 1595379188 391174 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landauer%27s_principle < 1595380828 647968 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?run 1.380649e-23 * 7 * log 2 < 1595380830 690539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6.698950731850356e-23 < 1595380890 902015 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that's the number of Joules per bit erasure you have (theoretically?) saved by reducing your CPU by 7 Kelvin < 1595380918 847036 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wow I am procrastinating now. < 1595381066 289879 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :67 whole yocto Joules > 1595381149 944376 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MAWP14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76131&oldid=76125 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+1) 10Fixed grammatical number < 1595381470 511812 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595382166 946041 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1595382182 51295 :Caenbe!a2e8442a@162-232-68-42.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595382284 670224 :Caenbe!a2e8442a@162-232-68-42.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595383692 87234 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1595384052 104080 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1595384664 500184 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Minsky Swap14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76132 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+271) 10Created talk page with idea for TC proof > 1595385257 30626 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Minsky Swap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76133&oldid=76132 5* 03Caenbe 5* (-271) 10That was hasty. It might actually be non-TC. < 1595385463 804161 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595385478 936383 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1595385720 714158 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1595385772 163300 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minsky Swap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76134&oldid=74592 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+331) 10Added non-TCness proof > 1595385893 664827 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Tree14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76135 5* 03Eric-D-Culver 5* (+258) 10Created page with "The second example code does not do what you say it does. When the insect is reached, the stack will have AAAB, where A and B are the two inputted characters. --~~~~" > 1595386424 622647 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minsky Swap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76136&oldid=76134 5* 03Caenbe 5* (-331) 10Undo revision 76134 by [[Special:Contributions/Caenbe|Caenbe]] ([[User talk:Caenbe|talk]]) (Not finite. Sorry. I'm stopping myself now.) < 1595386427 17423 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Killed (Sigyn (Stay safe off irc)) < 1595387306 55469 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric > 1595389755 436144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76137&oldid=76115 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+64) 10/* Clarify escapes */ > 1595389816 881681 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolangs14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76138&oldid=76137 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-20) 10/* Examples */ < 1595390131 58515 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1595390921 389152 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595395498 967186 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595396334 826136 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-b0480e-37.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1595396334 972562 :shig_!~davidb@inara.oztechninja.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1595396345 229518 :shig!~davidb@inara.oztechninja.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1595396434 446090 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-b0480e-37.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric > 1595397629 544577 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Top-based turning14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76139&oldid=75687 5* 03Eric-D-Culver 5* (+1) 10/* Outputs "3" */ output character is . > 1595397672 948093 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Top-based turning14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76140&oldid=76139 5* 03Eric-D-Culver 5* (+0) 10/* Counter from 0 to 4 */ output character is . < 1595399882 3727 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1595400278 527695 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm finding https://pwmarcz.pl/kaboom/ so addictive. < 1595400918 395610 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595400922 270191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally a reasonable game of mine's weeper. < 1595401118 85179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a devious one... rather than getting frustrated at the game for making you guess you get the chance of getting frustrated at yourself for missing forced conclusions (of various degrees of obviousness) < 1595401171 800414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and if you find the presets boring, you can increase the board size. < 1595401206 577499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The link isn't new, I believe I found this game via this channel a few years back.) < 1595401234 73399 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe it was somewhere else. We definitely discussed it here. < 1595401485 15082 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595401534 473689 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :One slightly unfortunate feature is that when you're left with a 50/50 choice that can provably never go away you still have to progress on the rest of the board until you're forced to guess there as well before you are allowed to hazard a guess. < 1595401974 812831 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595402015 433198 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ultra-violence mode is pretty cute too... not the hardest, but pretty different from ordinary minesweeper because easily half of the moves are of the forced guess type. < 1595402052 562874 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which at least in my case leads to very non-random looking boards in the end. < 1595402130 138539 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/uv.png ... I wonder how much strategy this reveals :) < 1595402205 178550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's interesting, you can infer things about how people played from a completed board? < 1595402232 70034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also look at how GPT-3 has mastered category theory: https://gist.github.com/ekmett/11a0e1f49b73a2feab287373ddaf68cd < 1595402237 44491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular the ending. < 1595402328 598268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the nonlocality of this is kind of bizarre. < 1595402344 363542 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe if you have more than one sample... https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/uv2.png < 1595402362 133140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if I reach an isolated corner that needs guessing, I shouldn't guess immediately (which would be the time-saving strategy in regular Minesweeper), I should save it until I have to guess. Right? < 1595402381 747094 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll see that there are many more straight lines than there should be... and that's because of a preference in how I'm guessing. < 1595402403 444655 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right < 1595402429 329354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense, I was doing that too. < 1595402910 3491 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1595402911 705218 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shouldn't read this < 1595402918 918512 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find the yoneda lemma hard enough already < 1595402932 335567 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to get misled by some AI generated version is slightly wrong.. < 1595402950 609454 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ending was 100 < 1595403305 622954 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I suspect that Kaboom can seriously mess with somebody who's actually good (i.e. fast) at regular minesweeper. < 1595403343 609070 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1595405357 125050 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595405380 964498 :RocketRace!d28ab19d@157.177.138.210.rev.vmobile.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1595405451 159127 :RocketRace!d28ab19d@157.177.138.210.rev.vmobile.jp QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595405463 793337 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595406000 818348 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1595406408 383769 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595406477 109940 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-46.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "reduce the CPU temperature by 7 kelvin", not "to 7 kelvin" < 1595406530 872952 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-46.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"motherboard temperature can't be _exactly_ room temp" => it could be if you turned the chasis into a fridge so it's cooler than room temperature around the motherboard < 1595406609 761678 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1595406617 445271 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595407927 948518 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-46.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1595408493 14351 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1595408727 844851 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you define "motherboard temperature" ;) < 1595408751 739824 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some weighted average maybe? Ironically you probably care most about the (literal) hotspots. < 1595409077 8799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, rr has ptrace emulation, that's pretty fancy. < 1595409093 133744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that it uses ptrace but it can trace a program that also uses ptrace on the same process by proxying the ptrace calls. < 1595409093 341856 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? rr < 1595409096 117519 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :rr? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1595409106 764202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://rr-project.org/ < 1595409138 559504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a program that records program execution and then lets you replay it in a debugger. < 1595409153 97219 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fancy < 1595409168 57541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly by remembering the state of memory etc. and the results of every system call, so it can fake responses to those system calls. < 1595409179 628221 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595409183 926140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also nondeterministic instructions, in various ways? Some of them aren't completely clear to me. < 1595409193 272597 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why rr, "record run"? < 1595409208 506578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :record replay? I don't know. < 1595409232 644954 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pffft, chaos mode < 1595409289 488088 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595409359 73162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should write a debugger. How hard can it be? < 1595409708 94076 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual < 1595409724 224018 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy (or, at least, fun) to get started, impossible to finish < 1595410403 843909 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595410646 909392 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may be too optimistic though, there's quite a bit to do before you can even do *something* beyond tracing syscalls (which is *relatively* easy)... lots of poking around in the subject's memory, lots of platformspecific things right from the start. < 1595410694 116569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you would need to get DWARF data to do most things people want from debuggers. < 1595410777 610710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or PDB or something, I guess. They're all complicated. < 1595411149 963851 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-vkixteckoyzuqnkx QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1595412427 175228 :heroux!~heroux@507082E8.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1595412558 614039 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595412782 103266 :heroux!~heroux@507082E8.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595412832 682704 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ekidnsffjnooezir JOIN :#esoteric < 1595413352 430917 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595413373 606234 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595414063 799198 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595414169 132037 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595414506 886108 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1595414555 675766 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ekidnsffjnooezir QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595414806 733644 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1595414948 247406 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1595414992 5498 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0725614]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76141&oldid=76123 5* 03Duckologist 5* (+389) 10Add infobox < 1595415000 152697 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1595415443 977974 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Duckologist14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76142 5* 03Duckologist 5* (+509) 10Create my own user page < 1595415616 666244 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595415649 966801 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1595415789 655230 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1595415814 35497 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76143 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+5120) 10Create the incomplete page. < 1595418790 902614 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1595419053 125624 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1595421054 459901 :pikhq_!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju JOIN :#esoteric < 1595421315 775881 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595421525 133979 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sbakyafzimfhdqyg QUIT :*.net *.split < 1595421527 282979 :pikhq_!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju NICK :pikhq < 1595421634 961643 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-knabxlxkntjrilfx QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595421642 502961 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-gbntwmvgotkdeynl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595422177 873039 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ekwhupufygokuuqr JOIN :#esoteric < 1595422347 48654 :fedorafa_!~fedorafan@unaffiliated/fedorafan JOIN :#esoteric < 1595422536 224556 :fedorafa_!~fedorafan@unaffiliated/fedorafan PART #esoteric :"Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com" < 1595422851 47337 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595423340 122005 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1595423359 900972 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595423952 626538 :heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jjovwkvpqsqqizvl JOIN :#esoteric < 1595424063 792470 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-upudrtsmzohgxdyo JOIN :#esoteric < 1595424267 590147 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595424476 923580 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595424510 121532 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I think the inverse of succ is usually called pred, as in predecessor and succsesor, as opposed to prec for preceding and succeeding < 1595424639 922790 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reference: https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/7.6.3/docs/html/libraries/base-4.6.0.1/Prelude.html#v:pred < 1595424749 162789 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Girl Genius still hasn't updated. I'm getting worried for the Foglios < 1595425249 556352 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://girlgenius.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:2020-07-20_(Monday) (with links to facebook (didn't click) and reddit) < 1595425531 518978 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1595425537 409795 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... net good news, I think < 1595425564 808905 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's news > 1595425575 297459 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76144&oldid=76143 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+14) 10/* Stack operations */ < 1595425911 928267 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: huh, I missed the bite mark in Friday's GG (panel 2)... the poisoning may be mutual ;) < 1595426429 931223 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish I was reading this comic but i feel like im 10 years behind < 1595426684 64674 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595426723 305754 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: it's easy, start at http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20021104 and click on the image until you run out ;) < 1595426741 209250 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1595427532 95431 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LogStack14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76145&oldid=70830 5* 03Silver 5* (+32) 10forgot to mention prefix required to translate to brainfuck < 1595427603 469561 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595427623 22005 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595428551 689993 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595429777 770638 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1595429913 469054 :arseniiv_imposto!~arseniiv_@2a00:1fa1:c479:6354:3424:d3ef:f5ff:7b48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595430248 122332 :arseniiv_imposto!~arseniiv_@2a00:1fa1:c479:6354:3424:d3ef:f5ff:7b48 QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1595430263 460744 :arseniiv_impostr!~arseniiv_@2a00:1fa1:c479:6354:3424:d3ef:f5ff:7b48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595430327 629395 :arseniiv_impostr!~arseniiv_@2a00:1fa1:c479:6354:3424:d3ef:f5ff:7b48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello from a rocking chair away from home! < 1595430395 460918 :arseniiv_impostr!~arseniiv_@2a00:1fa1:c479:6354:3424:d3ef:f5ff:7b48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot what beautiful software I used from my other phone the other day and now I write from some beta < 1595430554 321774 :arseniiv_impostr!~arseniiv_@2a00:1fa1:c479:6354:3424:d3ef:f5ff:7b48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe someone did notice what client name that one had?.. < 1595430581 307691 :arseniiv_impostr!~arseniiv_@2a00:1fa1:c479:6354:3424:d3ef:f5ff:7b48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a week or so ago < 1595430732 878178 :arseniiv_impostr!~arseniiv_@2a00:1fa1:c479:6354:3424:d3ef:f5ff:7b48 PRIVMSG #esoteric :K bye < 1595430737 952927 :arseniiv_impostr!~arseniiv_@2a00:1fa1:c479:6354:3424:d3ef:f5ff:7b48 QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1595431618 488465 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595432210 435578 :arseniiv_impostr!~arseniiv_@2a00:1fa1:821e:2209:a11f:9a37:4218:ba58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595432227 118731 :arseniiv_impostr!~arseniiv_@2a00:1fa1:821e:2209:a11f:9a37:4218:ba58 QUIT :Client Quit < 1595432267 18082 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595432877 335963 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1595433043 215404 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595433279 328813 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595434224 562653 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1595435104 991586 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76146&oldid=75438 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+16) 10 > 1595435119 180668 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76147&oldid=76146 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (-2) 10Whoops > 1595435162 580665 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76148&oldid=75600 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+2) 10/* Cat Program */ < 1595435873 965507 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595436492 417718 :kspalaiologos2!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595436607 40029 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595436700 685323 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595437255 945430 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1595437932 232231 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-166.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1595438990 880235 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595439285 173201 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595441249 144507 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595441389 170254 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595442067 697688 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595442703 776564 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595443407 313525 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Anywhere. < 1595447252 490179 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595447995 60812 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595448172 759027 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595448224 818600 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:75c1:8208:b699:2c1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595449642 47695 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595450139 469772 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ccac:d711:3233:3d85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595450590 458832 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ccac:d711:3233:3d85 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1595450881 393529 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ccac:d711:3233:3d85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595453014 673577 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bgtytynlwvvffbct QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1595453462 409034 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595455227 260991 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595455341 807751 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit > 1595456119 724807 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Clunk14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76149 5* 03Eric-D-Culver 5* (+177) 10Clunk is Turing complete < 1595457952 897494 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ccac:d711:3233:3d85 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595458085 202607 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595458634 764046 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595458643 54360 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595458695 208582 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595458721 466393 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595458731 855738 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595458770 889891 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595458811 619793 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1595459111 387957 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595459198 247214 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595460199 443506 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ccac:d711:3233:3d85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595460511 435741 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ccac:d711:3233:3d85 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595461744 485176 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1595462510 928453 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595463464 407513 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ccac:d711:3233:3d85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595463741 493953 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ccac:d711:3233:3d85 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595463878 514121 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e : ohh .. i remember i mentioned something like those rules, years ago, in #haskell < 1595463883 351973 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf : oh, reminds a bit of I/O tabling in Mercury ? < 1595463913 879814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does? < 1595464169 610686 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is I/O tabling in Mercury is working? < 1595464451 163941 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :rr < 1595464548 874911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, interesting. < 1595464581 780493 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it memoizes the calls (inputs, outputs) to I/O primitives (representing the uniquely threaded token of type `io.state' as an integer, incremented by primitive I/O ops, iirc), so that when you use "retry" in the procedural debugger, it'll use the recorded events, rather than actually do the I/O again < 1595464592 228354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you structure your program (or runtime) to work this way, it isn't so difficult to make it work yourself. < 1595464614 904980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't work that well if you use any libraries, and it doesn't work well with multithreading. < 1595464643 601719 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that is how it work < 1595464647 276429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like a neat language feature. < 1595464658 58719 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :see "Idempotent I/O for safe time travel" by Zoltan Somogyi in 2003-09 at < 1595464700 135849 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also used by the declarative debugger, iirc < 1595464743 229478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, what if there was a recommendation service for papers? I have 94 papers in this directory. I bet that's plenty to come up with good papers I'd want to read. < 1595464752 615803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I can ask GPT-3. < 1595464762 95754 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's GPT-3 ? < 1595464826 200292 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-166.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there are sites that let you find reverse citations, you can often find recommended papers that way. and obviously you can look at citations too. < 1595464898 735890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ski: OpenAI's new language model. < 1595464910 155648 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno what OpenAI is, either < 1595464934 643976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a company. < 1595464946 11679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted some links to GPT-3 generated text above, I think. < 1595464952 141179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/ekmett/11a0e1f49b73a2feab287373ddaf68cd < 1595464958 605174 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural language ? < 1595464964 526221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/ekmett/a72c19715aa8277428324dfaa6d73074 < 1595464967 639479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.githubusercontent.com/runarorama/e0b9107f707ef61db93eb67e4823798e/raw/e38121da6a013d1286199371e0aacc81b09b7232/gistfile1.txt < 1595464970 740191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1595464973 405796 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-166.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipes < 1595464974 967632 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :recipes? No such file or directory < 1595464975 900116 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-166.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`recipe < 1595464977 124949 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :las, lemon juice, and all the chicken. Keep brown sugar in a sieve and \ carrots and add the vegetables and cook for about 20 \ minutes. In a large bowl, combine flour, baking dissolved and \ soup. \ \ Yield: 3/4 cup cornstarch fat each. \ \ Source: The Barrie Louisiana by Rocky BAKING WAMANE BISCOTTid \ \ From: Pat Anne Rolls: \ \ From The Smith: Per serving: 415 calories, 2 g fiber. \ \ Posted by: Shemoon nate: India, its: < 1595465004 460886 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :second one 404s < 1595465027 134240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? It works here. < 1595465085 728205 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-166.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where can I download OEIS dumps these days? < 1595465260 918998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is http://oeis.org/wiki/Welcome#Compressed_Versions < 1595465307 637280 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-166.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1595465323 739383 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-166.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a full archive though > 1595465351 361464 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolshit14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76150 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+2826) 10+[[Boolshit]] > 1595465357 145747 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76151&oldid=76067 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+15) 10+[[Boolshit]] > 1595465362 344094 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76152&oldid=76068 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+15) 10+[[Boolshit]] < 1595465385 167788 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, works now > 1595465485 14232 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolshit14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76153&oldid=76150 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+1) 10fix typos > 1595465615 67341 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolshit14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76154&oldid=76153 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+85) 10 < 1595466151 708419 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595467123 640722 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-166.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, how do I list recently edited sequences in OEIS? that would let someone make an up-to-date mirror that they can distribute as downloadable compressed dumps < 1595467558 277599 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-upudrtsmzohgxdyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chwelp, I want to start writing another operating system. < 1595467563 316046 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-upudrtsmzohgxdyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna call this one "batbat". < 1595467576 713616 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-upudrtsmzohgxdyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think I'm gonna use NASM. < 1595467589 947336 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-upudrtsmzohgxdyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step one, I want to figure out how to get NASM to just output a file that's 50000h bytes long. < 1595468309 361538 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-upudrtsmzohgxdyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can tell it I want a section which starts at byte 50000h and which is 0 bytes long. < 1595468764 560880 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do jokes like "Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?" just make you want to drool? < 1595469127 743086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pft, using NASM rather than writing your own assembler? < 1595469910 644879 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1595469943 526569 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ccac:d711:3233:3d85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595470213 481100 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ccac:d711:3233:3d85 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1595470258 310894 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595470259 558107 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595471169 794559 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595473197 436023 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ccac:d711:3233:3d85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595473469 495437 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ccac:d711:3233:3d85 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595475726 857578 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595476434 777747 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ccac:d711:3233:3d85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595476717 778521 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ccac:d711:3233:3d85 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1595477522 21826 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595477613 158552 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1595477977 393356 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:80a1:a813:18c3:d67 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595478119 379765 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:3979:8ba0:167b:3ac7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595478257 409499 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:80a1:a813:18c3:d67 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595478409 466932 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:3979:8ba0:167b:3ac7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595481383 378418 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:3979:8ba0:167b:3ac7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595481677 540778 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:3979:8ba0:167b:3ac7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595481687 805845 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1595481933 786292 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:79f3:3c9e:5a44:953c JOIN :#esoteric < 1595482904 301589 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595483163 804232 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595483404 815886 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1595487494 778746 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:3979:8ba0:167b:3ac7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595488287 360408 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? like < 1595488289 36589 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :like? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1595488523 120961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you? < 1595488626 235405 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the wrong keyword I think < 1595488627 942741 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? this < 1595488629 838495 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is something people on the channel like to talk about. We're often unsure what this is, though. Nobody likes this. < 1595488646 395063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm asking about the specific manner in which you. < 1595488654 27414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe I can demonstrate. < 1595488656 700618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1595489407 480192 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1595489493 450764 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1595489618 466549 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595490433 445971 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595491412 973795 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595491563 822556 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595492840 547453 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1595492963 437555 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595492988 416427 :afkpaul!~th3@2a02:2a00:5600:200:527b:9dff:fe7d:6b1b JOIN :#esoteric < 1595494489 913820 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1595497537 611427 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-166.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1595499659 639559 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolshit14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76155&oldid=76154 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+1) 10 < 1595500470 94523 :afkpaul!~th3@2a02:2a00:5600:200:527b:9dff:fe7d:6b1b PART #esoteric :"https://yatebts.com" < 1595501978 759328 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595502118 946188 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1595502148 992373 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1595504172 606639 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595505214 957942 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@82.27.195.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595505347 656611 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595507693 527989 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595507854 118046 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595507922 96212 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=4916 "The Busy Beaver Frontier" < 1595508203 540914 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595510129 146829 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1595510325 27199 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1595510357 964121 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595511676 984050 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595513318 503557 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595513375 849100 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595518352 646515 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1595518746 135163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Selmotic14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76156 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+4385) 10Created Selmotic > 1595518847 775003 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Caenbe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76157&oldid=76064 5* 03Caenbe 5* (-418) 10Update < 1595518961 133003 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed > 1595519129 470560 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Selmotic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76158&oldid=76156 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+5) 10/* Execution */ Link > 1595519239 584950 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76159&oldid=76151 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+15) 10/* S */ Added Selmotic < 1595519418 191448 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1595519491 107645 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595521421 76388 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:3979:8ba0:167b:3ac7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595522203 346958 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1595523324 263704 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:3979:8ba0:167b:3ac7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595523602 313146 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:3979:8ba0:167b:3ac7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1595523660 476465 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:3979:8ba0:167b:3ac7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595524526 518675 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:3979:8ba0:167b:3ac7 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1595524562 285407 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:3979:8ba0:167b:3ac7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595524699 877902 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-76.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1595526653 151770 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595527069 956462 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595527357 917407 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1595527417 184362 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1595530210 858995 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1595530680 6630 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1595530682 609556 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:861) i can only hope that the 55 year old nuclear reactor 2 blocks away from my house is too old to have SCADA \ 1138) i wonder how it feels to develop a cryptocurrency which is subsequently behind dogecoin such shame, very failure < 1595530694 269595 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you believe in sufficiently smart compilers? < 1595530694 373968 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: we on the government benches. < 1595530707 610457 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1595530707 610521 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1595530714 99347 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how about now? < 1595530714 411531 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: something stinks here. hopefully he'll return while i'm coming there, then). since this system doesn't have classes < 1595531148 428830 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595531529 966623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard a sufficiently advanced compiler is indistinguishable from magic. > 1595531768 16731 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Selmotic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76160&oldid=76158 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+11) 10Not really a tape since there's no explicit tape pointer > 1595531898 257236 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Selmotic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76161&oldid=76160 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+24) 10/* Consequences */ Added cat < 1595532148 724294 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( a sufficiently advanced compiler will break your code in ways you've never imagined ) < 1595532177 750054 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, of course it's magic. < 1595532394 445201 :xelxebar_!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1595532403 869378 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595532611 695912 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: https://girlgenius.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:2020-07-22_(Wednesday)#Message_from_Kaja (wow that sounds nasty, hope the worst of it is over) > 1595532712 694436 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76162&oldid=76051 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+245) 10/* Based on dimensions */ > 1595532758 246522 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Caenbe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76163&oldid=76157 5* 03Caenbe 5* (-135) 10I don't know why I didn't put this of List of ides in the 1st place > 1595533914 783623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Selmotic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76164&oldid=76161 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+77) 10/* How pointers work in this language */ < 1595534484 56366 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) > 1595535421 833718 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:About14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76165&oldid=56180 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+168) 10 > 1595535863 23169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:About14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76166&oldid=76165 5* 03Int-e 5* (-168) 10Undo revision 76165 by [[Special:Contributions/Heavpoot|Heavpoot]] ([[User talk:Heavpoot|talk]]) -- revert vandalism < 1595535922 356762 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we ban this person already < 1595536089 241474 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re: esowiki edits by Heavpoot, for those who're ignoring esowiki) < 1595536140 308026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e does not like this. < 1595536165 272990 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe you'll like https://mobile.twitter.com/gemelket/status/1283170929984634880 < 1595536165 730766 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what even is his goal. < 1595536182 839197 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I imagine a 11 year old who finds this funny < 1595536206 737478 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, an 11 year old. Should've stuck with 13. < 1595536274 195503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: That's pretty good. > 1595536350 649343 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07\ () /14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76167&oldid=65088 5* 03Randairox 5* (+0) 10 > 1595536503 472715 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Heavpoot14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76168 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (+27361) 10Created page with "
1595536827 88069 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Boolshit14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76169&oldid=76155 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-16) 10rm dangling title > 1595536886 224563 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07\ () /14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76170&oldid=76167 5* 03Randairox 5* (-20) 10accuracy > 1595536971 527090 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:SoundOfScripting14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76171&oldid=68597 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (-26) 10 < 1595537028 260347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, let's see if we can figure out the block mechanism. > 1595537070 310967 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:SoundOfScripting14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76172&oldid=76171 5* 03Int-e 5* (+26) 10Undo revision 76171 by [[Special:Contributions/Heavpoot|Heavpoot]] ([[User talk:Heavpoot|talk]]) -- vandalizing other's user pages is not okay either < 1595537149 235398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Special:Block seems right, but do I make this indefinite, or two weeks, or some other random time? > 1595537190 37055 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:SoundOfScripting14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76173&oldid=76172 5* 03Heavpoot 5* (-26) 10https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348702212110680064/735960938322198598/unknown.png see this. > 1595537202 454739 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10blocked [[02User:Heavpoot10]] with an expiration time of 1 month (account creation disabled): Inserting nonsense/gibberish into pages: Random acts of vandalism, e.g. Esolang:About and User:SoundOfScripting. < 1595537245 954790 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I trust that screenshot? They should really log in themselves then. In context this was obviously vandalism. < 1595537423 60013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the Esolang:About and the main page edits were inexcusable enough, even if this was some sort of weird user-sanctioned ritual. < 1595537469 909275 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah the question is whether I want to revert the latest edit to User:SoundOfScripting. < 1595537556 518350 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll leave it :-/ > 1595537620 538816 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Fizzie14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76174&oldid=69348 5* 03SoundOfScripting 5* (+349) 10unban Heav please < 1595537670 631800 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that authenticates it. > 1595537671 91531 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Fizzie14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76175&oldid=76174 5* 03SoundOfScripting 5* (-1) 10fixed formatting error < 1595537816 407283 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: ooooof > 1595537965 949339 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Fizzie14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76176&oldid=76175 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+527) 10/* Edits by User:Heavpoot */ Response. > 1595537993 101377 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Fizzie14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76177&oldid=76176 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+79) 10/* Edits by User:Heavpoot */ I don't know how to sign. :/ < 1595538007 528492 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: --~~~~ < 1595538023 464826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I do actually know that, I just never remember to actually do it. < 1595538052 149939 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes that comment very odd :P < 1595538061 645422 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait. < 1595538084 751760 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sorry, I didn't realize you had two edits, and I managed to look at the unsigned page. < 1595538124 176067 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I thought, momentarily, that you left an unsigned comment with "I don't know how to sign. :/" ad the edit message. < 1595538130 988523 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as < 1595538135 941481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I can see how it would look like that. < 1595538181 440657 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of funny, actually. < 1595538229 749949 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595538332 292059 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the point that Heavpoot doesn't get is that the esolangs wiki is *not* a joke project, even though it's largely *about* joke projects. < 1595538384 947602 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course there's also some pretty serious computability theory) < 1595538465 159610 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always forget how to sign, too < 1595538497 378652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's a bit of a joke in itself too. There's that "matrix of solidity" thing right on the main page. I think it's just that it's not *only* a joke, and the parts that are actually about "using" the site are among the non-joke ones. < 1595538593 367051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, I did figure out where the 'unblock' button is, so if they ask (and say they'll do something more constructive), I'd probably do that (at least once). < 1595538625 564279 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the main page *has* a joke in it. It's still not a joke in and of itself. < 1595538652 815334 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cup can have water in it. a cup is not water. < 1595538661 558225 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's well hidden too, well enough that I almost forgot about it.) > 1595538999 124303 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:SoundOfScripting14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76178&oldid=76173 5* 03SoundOfScripting 5* (+26) 10Undo revision 76171 by [[Special:Contributions/Heavpoot|Heavpoot]] ([[User talk:Heavpoot|talk]]) -- I really ought to make better languages. < 1595539115 283748 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-76.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: since you're working on the wiki including what joke is on the main page, < 1595539233 268854 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-76.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, never mind, Thue has been there for less than two years, and it's a language I like more than Funciton or brainfuck as the featured language < 1595539241 226887 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-76.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll get back to that next year < 1595539325 571330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SGTM", as we say all the time at work. (Sort of guessed it was going to be about featured languages.) > 1595539418 374947 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Fizzie14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76179&oldid=76177 5* 03Int-e 5* (+254) 10 < 1595539443 103039 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(funny that the edit is now reverted anyway) < 1595541463 58382 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595541483 434782 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric > 1595541803 349395 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Minsky Swap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76180&oldid=76133 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+631) 10 > 1595541865 553109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Minsky Swap14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76181&oldid=76180 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+3) 10D'oh. < 1595542356 653586 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played Pokemon card game, and opponent told me that my play was "really sneaky" because I didn't knock out one of their cards. I am not so sure to call it "really sneaky", but, either way, it is a legitimate strategy. < 1595544089 911956 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:3979:8ba0:167b:3ac7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595544539 212931 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595544637 919415 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@82.27.195.88 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1595545189 58667 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595545238 804441 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1595545267 726870 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1595545979 139733 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595546005 527923 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595546074 620718 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595546303 493712 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1595548703 589838 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595549210 971739 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595550327 678128 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1595550449 716210 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595550905 183223 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595551449 408508 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1595551511 435840 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:79f3:3c9e:5a44:953c PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enchant creature. When enchanted creature dies, you may play a replacement creature card from your hand as if it had flash. If you do, return all permanents that were attached to enchanted creature from the graveyard to the battlefield under your control attached to the replacement creature. < 1595551559 317567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's neat. < 1595551664 688351 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is good, but maybe make enchant permanent, and then you can play another card that shares a type with it. The other consideration is if you do not control or do not own the enchanted permanent, then? < 1595551838 721562 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea though. < 1595551898 553362 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is supposed to work on opponent's cards and then you control the replacement, though, in which case that is OK. < 1595551904 234815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i enchant spell on the stack < 1595551949 190312 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"on the stack" is redundant (an object is only a "spell" while it is on the stack), although I had that idea too. < 1595552002 922279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you could replace a spell on the stack with another spell -- even a sorcery? -- but it would keep its existing stack position. < 1595552022 604349 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Oh that is _nice_ < 1595552038 897865 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes other enchantments better! < 1595552098 128062 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: enchant spell or ability on the stack >:D < 1595552115 696907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I was considering that a bit but it seemed too far even for me. < 1595552162 385889 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:79f3:3c9e:5a44:953c PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's a card that works for and against auras :) < 1595552190 46103 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had another idea about recovering Auras: The next time a nontoken Aura dies this turn, you may cast it. < 1595552264 756697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Oh, whoa, you could enchant an opponent's creature with this. < 1595552267 103689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think of that. < 1595552303 559490 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh < 1595552305 463182 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sneaky < 1595552316 909066 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I thought of that too, which is what I was mentioning < 1595552332 962145 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :To a lesser extent, that also works against equipment < 1595552340 170914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, zzo38 said that too, I missed it. < 1595552343 349301 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean you can always re-equip, but that can be costly < 1595552372 129312 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:79f3:3c9e:5a44:953c PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also stealing opponents' equipment perhaps < 1595552436 368038 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equipment doesn't die when the creature it is attached to dies, so there is no effect on Equipment, I think. < 1595552476 562711 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think perhaps it should be "enchant permanent" instead of "enchant creature", and require the replacement card to share a type with it. < 1595552491 337782 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the card as described would return itself too; is that intentional? < 1595552504 451732 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:79f3:3c9e:5a44:953c PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right, they wouldn't go to the graveyard, so they couldn't be returned from there < 1595552517 682817 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think it can be useful even if there isn't anything else attached to it, since it grants flash < 1595552519 310241 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:79f3:3c9e:5a44:953c PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was considering excluding itself as well < 1595552562 967547 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:3979:8ba0:167b:3ac7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595552648 543467 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:79f3:3c9e:5a44:953c PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seemed simpler to describe without that exclusion. > 1595553454 591194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salpynx/Gdelfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76182&oldid=76045 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+37) 10/* External resources */ link to my code from late 2019 > 1595553511 241084 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Salpynx 5* 10moved [[02User:Salpynx/Gdelfish10]] to [[Gdelfish]]: 'publishing' this thing < 1595553540 563360 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:3979:8ba0:167b:3ac7 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out > 1595553716 413692 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Gdelfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76185&oldid=76183 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+126) 10Categories > 1595553971 334974 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76186&oldid=76159 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+35) 10adding my 2 0D Gdel numbering languages < 1595554395 597959 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That page I just moved to mainspace has a lot of maths formulas that could benefit from style review. I'm not a mathematician, and I was taking deliberate liberties with some of the notation. If anyone has any tips on improving the notation I'd be happy to learn and improve them. < 1595554495 509770 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully the concept comes across, the language is joke-like, but it's a moderately serious attempt to explore mathematical meta-programming ideas with fully 0-dimesional Godel numbers, and directly convert between input and output encodings < 1595554537 496799 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be interested in reading on any related topics if anyone knows of anything < 1595555430 371321 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My related 'Brainfoctal' lang is basically a clone of a ridiculous number of similar bf copies, but AFAICT mine is the first and only one that doesn't make a point of being 1 dimensional, unlike Lenguage or Unary. < 1595555562 336788 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0D is interesting to me because 'symbol' encoding becomes really fluid, there are (potentially) unlimited ways of viewing or processing the 'code' < 1595556199 542792 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@82.27.195.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595556563 628000 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@82.27.195.88 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595556750 431656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This C99 draft is dated Septermber 7, 2007. < 1595556754 321423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's why it's a draft. < 1595557042 884842 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be an early one, 2099 isn't for some years yet < 1595557079 763372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Septermber hasn't even been invented yet! > 1595558205 747216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Triple Threat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76187&oldid=53004 5* 03Qwertyu63 5* (+117) 10 < 1595559072 951614 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that as Comiket 99 for a second there < 1595559745 328988 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:79f3:3c9e:5a44:953c PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Morch is coming along nicely though < 1595559759 845916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Cale < 1595559762 101642 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:79f3:3c9e:5a44:953c PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1595559787 733003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you into SAT solvers? < 1595559801 327021 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:79f3:3c9e:5a44:953c PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never really used one < 1595559825 395060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really oughtta k-now w-ho's w-ho. < 1595560767 971710 :Caenbe!a2e8442a@162-232-68-42.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595560840 149786 :Caenbe!a2e8442a@162-232-68-42.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595561328 294084 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1595562234 604046 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor have I really used an SAT solver < 1595564285 94549 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been oddly avoidant of doing computer-type things lately for a girl who named herself "Ada" < 1595564301 798839 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame being a professional computer toucher for my day job > 1595564752 16115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76188&oldid=66020 5* 03D 5* (+22) 10 < 1595565177 405912 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595565302 926967 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to program random schedules in cron? < 1595565638 789795 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595565651 465153 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, that's an interesting question < 1595565693 853405 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can do it easily in "standard" cron, but I don't know if it's possible in any reasonably common crons at all < 1595565697 594884 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? Maybe not? < 1595565919 250635 :sugarpie!~Palaver@adsl-99-93-137-225.dsl.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595565959 625591 :sugarpie!~Palaver@adsl-99-93-137-225.dsl.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eschew obfuscation < 1595566006 6568 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595566127 182435 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :use cron to regularly schedule a task that generates a random at task , by random offset maybe? < 1595566464 961028 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at now + $RANDOM minutes < commands.txt but triggered by cron to make it repeating. Never tried this specifically, but 'at' is useful for non-regular scheduling < 1595566536 7337 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? eschew < 1595566537 715095 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :eschew? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1595567410 15567 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595567788 784186 :sugarpie!~Palaver@adsl-99-93-137-225.dsl.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595568016 612491 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: Yeah, I guess so < 1595568077 770203 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how to make sounds from a command scheduled with "at"? < 1595568153 533093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that different from other commands? < 1595568188 451712 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it does not have access to some of the things needed for that purpose, or at least that is what I have found, when I tried. < 1595568214 869901 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I may have just made a stupid mistake, perhaps) < 1595568898 750795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What things? How do you normally make sounds? < 1595568965 228460 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally use aplay < 1595569056 683922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. I don't know, sounds like the sort of thing you'd need to debug if it doesn't work. < 1595569068 247950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe aplay prints errors. Maybe at runs with different permissions? < 1595569166 113545 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at execute commands using /bin/sh which can be a pain if using bashism (not sure if that's what is causing your aplay problems, it might be permissions) < 1595569229 313774 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on your system though; plenty systems have /bin/sh=bash < 1595569318 961771 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my computer, /bin/sh is linked to dash, and not to bash < 1595569336 674980 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1595569444 286375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ptrace is such a mess. < 1595569828 46517 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aplay works fine with dash for me. I don't have a access to a system that has both at and aplay available simultaneously. Running aplay through at with different perms and looking for error output is a good suggestion < 1595569872 553932 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1595570013 339803 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, Linux audio has a lot of moving pieces < 1595570018 92054 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just about anything could be broken < 1595570245 94325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pulseaudio API is so scow. :-( < 1595570304 69118 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595570350 560093 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like PulseAudio either, but some programs use it. < 1595570531 508526 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1595570540 28120 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pulseaudio is awesome < 1595570622 38207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you written code using libpulse? < 1595570629 770599 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's possible that aplay just refuses to play something in a noninteractive shell (even though i don't think that's likely) < 1595570649 165620 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but it works better than anything else before for me < 1595570665 384319 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use the alsa compat stuff for pulseaudio and aplay will work fine. < 1595570708 129047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am, but it doesn't give you access to everything. < 1595570733 587416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example I can't figure out a way to get an event when I turn on my bluetooth headphones (and the default audio device switches to them). < 1595570746 134621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So right now I poll it every 10 seconds which is p. scow. < 1595570754 492462 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:3979:8ba0:167b:3ac7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595570780 335178 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and alsa has that? < 1595570787 83068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. < 1595570794 75568 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt that < 1595570795 22035 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful. < 1595570798 248481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSA is not great either, it certainly has its problems. < 1595570810 966697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But libpulse is way less pleasant and more complicated in unnecessary ways. < 1595570821 86350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ideally I wouldn't either libasound or libpulse, because they're both LGPL-licensed. < 1595570824 173870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :use < 1595570832 769774 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i really wanted to use orca but i fail to create a virtual midi device < 1595570848 535834 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :my question is, on the *BSDs, how does firefox utilize audio? < 1595570858 798983 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't even use firefox without pulse. < 1595570864 434554 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:d4a9:17cf:713:434d JOIN :#esoteric < 1595570870 584640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to create a virtual MIDI device? As in a synthesizer or something for it to write to? < 1595570921 463363 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to write to it and make it play sounds < 1595570968 169561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a mini synthesizer and implemented basic MIDI support to use a MIDI keyboard with it. < 1595570976 330025 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everything i found made me use jack manually < 1595570988 480499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I was pretty surprised when I went to a web page while it was running, and the web page outputted MIDI to my synthesizer. < 1595571009 796623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was pretty surprising! I was trying to figure out what was going on before I realized it was my program. < 1595571038 429397 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you want to use Firefox with no audio? < 1595571068 92323 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :pulse is apparently still required! < 1595571081 406212 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:3979:8ba0:167b:3ac7 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1595571148 841663 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1595572299 195068 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:d4a9:17cf:713:434d QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595572503 804394 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595572576 776766 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1595572919 540945 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:d4a9:17cf:713:434d JOIN :#esoteric < 1595573301 827383 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1595574572 310288 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76189&oldid=76186 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+33) 10/* I */ forgot to add Isthmus Cyclicus Crypticus < 1595575129 876597 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1595576779 568039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+01DA LATIN SMALL ANGRY LETTER U [ǚ] > 1595576991 746618 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Minsky Swap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76190&oldid=76181 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+483) 10Reply. < 1595577223 798285 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595577801 787155 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1595577943 859476 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595578088 600549 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595579438 180629 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@82.27.195.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595579656 931809 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1595580270 219873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76191&oldid=76021 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+44) 10 < 1595581441 411757 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595581538 688676 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-76.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1595582124 637096 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1595582391 49691 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Minimalization14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76192 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+1213) 10Created page with "This page contains attempts on minimizing the number of 1+ instructions, similar to [[BF instruction minimalization]]. We also uses the same restrictions that is, there exists..." > 1595582433 93429 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76193&oldid=76192 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-16) 10 < 1595582466 70998 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595582818 228089 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1595582837 753840 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76194&oldid=76193 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+13) 10 > 1595584123 965519 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76195&oldid=76194 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+91) 10 < 1595584214 624958 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1595584227 301526 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76196&oldid=76195 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+73) 10 > 1595584477 308541 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76197&oldid=76196 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+37) 10 > 1595584958 34319 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76198&oldid=75853 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+94) 10/* Easy */ > 1595585128 860936 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Minimalization14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76199&oldid=76197 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+16) 10Links > 1595586028 588251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76200&oldid=76199 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+459) 10 < 1595586886 598979 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric > 1595587635 946704 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Minimalization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76201&oldid=76200 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+308) 10/* Minimalization */ < 1595588416 491056 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595588567 104271 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1595588588 33376 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1595588883 769686 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595591610 477347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there are UNSAT certificates in practice, is there such a thing as a QBF certificate? < 1595593356 324353 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so. Not sure they always exist though. What class is QBF in? Are there already undecidable problems there? < 1595593385 460041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's PSPACE-complete. < 1595593411 511022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious whether there's anything in practice. Then again, do people even use QBF in practice? < 1595593442 795852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can probably settle for something lower in the hierarchy for a lot of things. > 1595593457 221736 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76202&oldid=75360 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+102) 10 > 1595593458 566012 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rui14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76203&oldid=76117 5* 03Sinthorion 5* (-2) 10improve formatting < 1595593464 966662 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so it's closed under complement, I read. < 1595593504 671569 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea whether QBF is used in practice. Might also depend on your definition of 'practice'. < 1595594020 426665 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595594493 510342 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595595077 957415 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595595363 692857 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursaga < 1595595376 53176 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595597075 875566 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1595597323 804162 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595597969 656434 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1595598049 279804 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595603028 550564 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595603046 585379 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595603058 860118 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had an awesome idea today about osdev in pure brainfuck < 1595603070 871988 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's totally doable with just `+-[]<>' < 1595603094 820398 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my initial idea was, to store an interrupt driver that would watch over tape MMIO regions and issue an interrupt when the conditions are met < 1595603109 418249 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the question arises, how do I execute x86 machine code using brainfuck < 1595603117 513548 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have came up with a genius idea of hooking the 0x1Ch interrupt < 1595603125 471312 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the timer interrupt will call the machine code located on the tape < 1595603145 512186 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's where I'll set the handler to be < 1595603200 681919 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hook interrupts just by performing memory read/write < 1595603252 787771 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, tape is located at 0x0000:0x5000 < 1595603264 939227 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I boot, I write the driver code to the tape, then rewind back to the start < 1595603286 448425 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I navigate 5000x left and then adjust to entry `0x1Ch' in the interrupt table < 1595603306 613603 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem here is that I need to clear the interrupt flag, otherwise bad things may happen, I haven't found out a way of doing so so I guess I'll just have to rely on the fact that nothing breaks < 1595604091 869515 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: I do have a theoretical idea - require a no-op timer handler to be setup, and then place the real one 0x100 bytes away, so you can inc/dec to control timer interrupt enabledness < 1595604108 135028 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't require anything < 1595604112 397922 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has to be _pure_ brainfuck < 1595604136 684482 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to have an interpreter which enables interrupts, surely < 1595604239 608450 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, I compile my brainfuck to C < 1595604249 105150 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put the tape on 0x0000:0x0500 < 1595604268 559059 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`+` => `tape[mp]++;` `-` => `tape[mp]--;` etc... < 1595604270 285015 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​+`? No such file or directory < 1595605088 862201 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jkjsdmwcbuvgfyho JOIN :#esoteric > 1595606465 495405 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asm2bf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76204&oldid=72347 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (-7) 10 < 1595606686 207404 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595606991 698897 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1595607399 186107 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:d4a9:17cf:713:434d QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1595607668 89396 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minsky Swap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76205&oldid=76136 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+604) 10/* Computational class */ Added non-TC proof > 1595608366 706207 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Selmotic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76206&oldid=76164 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+433) 10/* Consequences */ Changed this section to Computation class and expanded 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(www.adiirc.com) < 1595658331 510706 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1595658606 485601 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric > 1595660069 705934 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitwise Cyclic Tag14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76214&oldid=67190 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+103) 10/* External resources */ Arithmetic BCT over HTTP < 1595660561 878033 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595660998 14558 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1595664211 773839 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595664267 494316 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1595664363 791544 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595666240 258677 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595668924 237335 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1595669083 237580 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( TFW you join an IRC channel to ask a question, and then solve your problem while trying to formulate said question. It acted kind of like a virtual teddy bear. ) < 1595669101 505201 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1595669103 902571 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:888) Gregor: are you in the brony documentary? \ 1017) i vaguely thought sigbovik was all jokes? oerjan: jokes written by CS people, so none of it's funny, just sad < 1595669171 882865 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wow, that contraction makes me cringe.) < 1595669647 313910 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#sadrobot < 1595670171 643120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, "it's"? < 1595671025 266616 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595671097 736376 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595671204 815673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595671482 576030 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, in that particular context. < 1595671522 21018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it reads as pretty standard to me, but I can see what's unusual about it. < 1595671541 151656 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so none of (it's) funny is in conflict with (so none of it) is funny < 1595671564 630195 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595671586 733457 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595671588 509704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can't tell whether my attempt at replicating it worked.) < 1595671608 381843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are those two different parsings? Maybe I don't follow. < 1595671660 806178 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "is" referse to all if "so none of it", but in the contraction, "it's", the implied "is" only refers to the "it", to my mind. It's entirely possible that it's me who's wrong there. < 1595671661 935027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: You just need to think like the C preprocessor and expand the contractions before thinking about things like that. > 1595671701 964180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ral14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76215&oldid=71229 5* 03Herman-L 5* (-346) 10Update the quine with a shorter one < 1595671722 604314 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "referse" < 1595671727 285105 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse "refers" < 1595671729 346777 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : "srefer" < 1595671747 218431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the word "so" is outside of all that. < 1595671783 340700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, precedence climbing/Pratt parser/etc. is a pretty neat trick. < 1595671785 417615 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're right < 1595671803 878555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it be adapted to Agda-style mixfix parsing? < 1595671815 346031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess is that the answer is approximately yes. < 1595671843 839205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Agda-style mixfix even lets you define parentheses as a mixfix operator, rather than part of the syntax. < 1595671960 472950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should also figure out how the shunting-yard algorithm works, because people say it's the same trick. < 1595672026 684086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how this approach automatically handles prefix, infix, postfix, etc. < 1595672064 497057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other question is: If you can define precedence within a file, how does that change your parser? Especially if you can define it *after* the use of an operator, as in Haskell. < 1595672088 78141 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble NICK :rawr < 1595672089 130633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that just force you to do things the way GHC does, where you fix up the precedence after parsing? < 1595672168 557667 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: probably. Rust uses a forced many-stage compiler too because it has too many definitions that act backwards in the file. < 1595672184 801058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing related to parsing, though, is there? < 1595672197 954062 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there is < 1595672225 451416 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you have to parse heads before expressions in function bodies < 1595672237 405192 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even without macros < 1595672286 720445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heads? < 1595672297 25395 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how the fine points of its grammar work, it's designed really badly with ugly ambiguities < 1595672349 353908 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :function heads as in most of the stuff outside the body of the function, so you know the name of the function and whether it is generic etc < 1595672377 299195 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I dunno < 1595672390 873974 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably saying something wrong here < 1595672394 633772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. I thought they were a bit more creful than that. < 1595672409 753332 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as bad as I imply < 1595672413 348223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Rust has all sorts of problems. < 1595672471 559606 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just trying to tell my impression of how it has like a dozen problems that each could independently have been avoided by a bit better syntax < 1595672498 185411 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, they always choose the worst syntax and figure they can work it out later < 1595672516 898857 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's too late to fix most of them now < 1595672549 737259 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like rust's semantics, but its syntax is terrible for that < 1595672586 372564 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should try to make an alternate syntax for it < 1595672623 305714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And alternate semantics, too. < 1595672648 44102 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we have that. the alternate semantics is C++ < 1595672667 741425 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose syntax also has some problems of course < 1595672716 52313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No way, I don't want C++ semantics either. < 1595672739 408239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are trying to do pretty similar things anyway. < 1595672742 656021 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could even merge the two semantics, with C++ as default but you can mark variables, member variables, and pointers as rust-style owning semantics < 1595672795 562001 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouuld lose you rust type-generics though < 1595672883 703896 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work well really < 1595673023 923233 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make alternate semantics, what makes it still rust-like? < 1595673052 119207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. It was a joke. < 1595673145 978095 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by alternate syntax I mean one where you make enough compromises that you can not only link it with rust but also directly use rust crates and get the bindings, and backwards, like how rust editions work now. But with much more radical syntax changes. < 1595673211 124201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like Rust crates. < 1595673234 829074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed a few Rust programs and they downloaded zillions of crates and the build directory was quite a bit over 1GB. < 1595674090 628112 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595674718 625099 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595674852 879605 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595675049 7340 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595675056 415574 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1595677606 979257 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595677728 683401 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, but luckily you don't have to use the crate system, or any of those shitty dependency hell packages < 1595677746 562309 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use it as just the compiler and programming language, without the build system and religion associated to that < 1595677767 754415 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a you don't need any of the huge frameworks to write C or C++ programs < 1595679508 529023 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1595679917 760831 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76216&oldid=76212 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+11) 10/* Bad program */ < 1595680285 37598 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: tbf the same thing happens in any language that comes with a sanctioned package retrieval/management tool... Haskell+cabal-install (and now stack) suffers similarly. < 1595680352 703257 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perl, every more < 1595680358 691360 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I mentioned that the few times < 1595680394 36702 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPAN modies that have to install thirty dependencies, ten of which are required only for a documentation coverage test in a dependency module < 1595680406 66457 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl used to be fine there... I guess there's also a general lack of care for bandwidth and space and auditability. < 1595680523 495203 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the bandwidth that bothers me there < 1595680589 713753 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to marvel at https://www.npmjs.com/package/ansi-red again. < 1595680611 707942 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm shopping for a new keyboard now < 1595680614 363653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And its number of weekly downloads. < 1595680630 878110 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm typing that so that this keyboard knows that I WILL replace it if he doesn't behave < 1595680662 187781 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you think it enjoys being touched all the time? < 1595680703 432846 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1595681096 952518 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@82.27.195.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595681258 894333 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure the keyboard doesn't rebel on you --> http://www.scp-wiki.net/grant-request-for-a-replacement-keyboard-because-the-caps-lo < 1595681662 946368 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1595681680 935032 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595681899 250287 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :he < 1595682443 612970 :ddt94!~Windows@185.237.98.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595682712 367157 :ddt94!~Windows@185.237.98.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, what do you mean with esoteric??? 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First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. 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They are not there. Go away! \ ocean//The Pacific Ocean is half the world and surrounded by fire. The Atlantic Ocean is less cool than its giant underwater mountain range < 1595754286 841841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`n < 1595754288 31784 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/2:. The Arctic Ocean is cold. The Indian Ocean is full of typhoons and non-Eurocentric shipping. \ mauke//mauke is a Master Archer. Caution! He can shoot your PRIVMSG with creative arrows! < 1595754917 928410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`5 < 1595754920 571176 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:469) im sampling ultra hip holiday hes the boogie woogie santa clause switching to oktoberfest yes i would love to shop to this \ 485) But I mean, why fix it if it ain't broke? 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:LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric > 1595815185 503079 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turinf machine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76240 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+2362) 10+[[Turinf machine]] > 1595815190 228590 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76241&oldid=76189 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+21) 10+[[Turinf machine]] > 1595815193 993222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76242&oldid=76152 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+21) 10+[[Turinf machine]] < 1595815727 463752 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1595815936 953797 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@82.27.195.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595816318 997116 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@82.27.195.88 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595818238 115444 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-226.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol today's is a good one https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/cantor < 1595820336 358778 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595820638 702334 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would like to note that we math folk are prone to sudden cases of madness < 1595820737 130843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should the value for true be? 1 or -1? < 1595820810 15960 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I feel like I need more context for that < 1595820830 466238 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are advantages and disadvantages for each way < 1595820907 233671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, should booleans be signed or unsigned integers? < 1595820916 288466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming they're thought of as 1-bit integers. < 1595820947 340706 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be tempted to say "unsigned" < 1595820965 736309 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, [-1, 0] feels like a weirder range for a data type than [0, 1] < 1595821709 553170 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 as true seems wrong. -1 = false 1 = true could be useful, -1 = none or null also works. If you're asking about 1 bit signed or unsigned, doesn't 1 bit just give you a sign? < 1595821857 807373 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but if you do it as 2's complement, it does end up making sense < 1595821863 23132 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I need to think about this more, but 1 bit signed seems like -0 or +0 < 1595821868 926570 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595821987 159036 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 bit signed is: 1 bit is the sign bit, 0 bits are the data, so your max is 0, and your min is ~max - 1 = -1 < 1595822012 309630 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, -max - 1 < 1595822325 620546 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that makes sense, as 2s complement for signed 1bit numbers. Is it useful though? Maybe, but doesn't seem especially connected to booleans. It's using 1 bit to represent something else < 1595822371 921232 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make no claim that it is in any sense useful. :) < 1595822430 540279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard people say that booleans should be signed and I think it sounded reasonable at one point? < 1595822433 547963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not sure why. < 1595822458 367920 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's so that all bits will be true if you use more than 1 bit to represent them. < 1595822506 776857 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could accept signed booleans as -1 = false 0 = true < 1595822578 981266 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... which is just inverted < 1595822722 463738 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time I look at a truth table I'll be wondering whether those are signed or unsigned values... < 1595823225 786486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I figured that much, but why is that important? Is that the only thing? < 1595823234 573493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I shouldn't be asking you, since you didn't make this claim. > 1595823234 954126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76243&oldid=75669 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+215) 10/* Quine */ < 1595823255 75475 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I recall hearing it but super vaguely > 1595823473 808703 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surtic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76244&oldid=76243 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (-1) 10/* |Quines */ < 1595825763 805277 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1595830450 109311 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595830469 861579 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1595831441 680224 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read about German word "Umwelt", but in English it might be "umbworld", so I look that too in Wiktionary, it is there, and seems to be recent (from 2008, apparently) < 1595831568 457248 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595833360 5443 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595833415 458362 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595833600 133436 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595835375 382885 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595835562 965141 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 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:t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595844303 861361 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1595846057 674884 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76245&oldid=76239 5* 03Ais523 5* (-22) 10Undo revision 76239 by [[Special:Contributions/Icecream17|Icecream17]] ([[User talk:Icecream17|talk]]) rv, I don't think this edit adds anything to the page < 1595846273 53532 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595846516 770255 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1595847810 374203 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595847979 974289 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1595847987 784346 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1595848306 729740 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76246&oldid=75407 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+4) 10improvement of some kind > 1595848687 314356 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76247&oldid=76246 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+90) 10clarify digit > 1595848740 471770 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76248&oldid=76247 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+0) 10fix F# interpreter < 1595848869 194003 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595849032 933755 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1595849415 297238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76249&oldid=76248 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+693) 10 command, command > 1595849443 613406 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76250&oldid=76249 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+1) 10 > 1595849843 818392 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76251&oldid=76250 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+160) 10 > 1595850773 192754 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76252&oldid=76211 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+3468) 10Begin detailing infinite surreal numeric literals < 1595850885 447163 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1595850935 748495 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76253&oldid=76252 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-1) 10Syntax < 1595850941 185667 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595851022 560911 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1595851403 789278 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595851730 955296 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595852172 674424 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dxnvixxdfeqvtkko JOIN :#esoteric < 1595852191 64588 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595852262 841610 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: re https://esolangs.org/logs/2020-07-27.html#lo "What should the value for true be? 1 or -1?" => I talked about that in #esoteric previously, you may find it somewhere in the chat logs. It's complicated. < 1595853475 938443 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595853495 673909 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595854316 768399 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Basically -1 is the better representation more often, because of boolean masking operations, but 1 is sometimes also useful, partly because of intrinsic use like summing a boolean array to get a count, partly because of the x86_64 SETcc instructions inherited from 386 back when branchless code wasn't yet a priority; < 1595854404 569065 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, that applies for low-level code, in high level code you probably want to decouple the representation from the symbolic value, so the optimizer decides the representation which can differ for different pieces of code, but when you convert a bool to an int a true value is converted to 1, this is already the case in C and C++. < 1595854437 683610 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The optimizer or interpreter can also choose different sizes (1 bit, 1 byte, 2 bytes, 4 bytes, 8 bytes etc) for the booleans. < 1595854455 959446 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or can temporarily store them in the carry flag, for single boolean tests. < 1595854506 815600 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, salpynx: ^ < 1595854518 509313 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure SETcc exist in order to accomodate boolean values 0/1, not vice versa. < 1595854536 551466 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., if the C convention had been -1 for true, SETcc would just set all the bits. < 1595854563 874526 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: because C was already using that, and because on those old CPUs the difference rarely matters, because you don't want to have branchless code. < 1595854581 142693 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at the same time fortran and basic was also ran on those cpus and is using different conventions < 1595854647 879568 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the new vector instructions use -1 as the representation when they write a true, and check the sign bit to decide if a boolean is true. < 1595854683 565587 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course 1 is useful for indexing arrays. < 1595855156 777793 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC i386 added a prefetch queue so was the first x86 CPU to suffer from branching code. < 1595855206 113378 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, writing -1 is more useful for masking tricks. < 1595855320 189958 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I believe SETcc is really a historical accident... an instruction clearly in the CISC mindset (something like, make every subexpression a compiler face translatable into one or two instructions) that turned out to be valuable for deeply pipelined architectures that hate (unpredictable) branches. < 1595855425 937529 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595855444 568625 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm not sure, but I think even 286 could technically benefit from branchless code, because it still does prefetching like the 6502 does, so a taken branch costs two extra cycles compared to a non-taken branch, but I might be mixing up cpus here. < 1595855486 310342 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the pipeline just gets deeper and deeper after that, so the later a non-mobile cpu is, the more it benefits from branchless code < 1595855498 71565 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's some non-monotonicity in the low-power mobile cpus) < 1595855570 272596 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that that 2 cycle penalty for the taken branch is almost always cheaper than executin both branches < 1595855631 685569 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefetch_input_queue suggests this goes back all the way to 8086 and 8088. Hmm. < 1595855652 978626 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're right that a lot of the instruction set are historical instructions, the whole x86 instruction set started out as being able to do anything in a *single* instruction that a z80 instruction can do, as if being a single instruction was somehow an advantage < 1595855660 416877 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe i386 was the first to use it for more than one instruction in advance? < 1595855675 153710 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind you, one instruction instead of multiple is a pretty good heuristic, barring other complications, but still) < 1595855682 974140 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595855700 684185 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, probably, the 386 has a longer penalty for taken branches because it has a decode queue and always decodes as if branches weren't taken < 1595855719 745675 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something, I totally forgot all this historical crap because it's irrelevant for anything I program these days < 1595855750 503942 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't claim that I understand current cpus, nobody does, but I try to have heuristics that apply to them < 1595855758 104993 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mainly remember because on i386 you could *observe* the prefetch queue length with self-modifying code. < 1595855783 394703 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(poke less than 16 bytes ahead of the current instruction and the newly written instruction won't be executed this time. < 1595855786 479870 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1595855805 603593 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later processors fixed that, restoring the illusion of sequential writes and reads. < 1595855831 91272 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, but technically that's true on any modern x86, and it's still screwed by 386 compatibility, as in, every time you do any branch, even a short conditional branch, it has to make sure that self-modifying code is executed correctly (even if slowly), and that slows down the whole architecture even when you don't want to use self-modifying < 1595855831 616402 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :code much < 1595855863 256679 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no I don't think so, I think x86 still promises only that self-modifying code executess correctly only if you do a branch instruction between < 1595855886 698917 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for self-modifying in a single cpu core of course < 1595855907 133801 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's possible that the implementation is like what you say < 1595855907 770053 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "later" I mean the next few generations, so basically early Pentiums. < 1595855924 625462 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pentiums introduce out of order execution, right? < 1595855955 374249 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1595855984 577111 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of order execution with register renaming is such a crazy mad science invention, it's a wonder x86 cpus can do it without way too many stupid bugs < 1595856024 398332 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there weren't actual cpus doing it, I'd guess it was theoretically possible but never worth in practice, because you can't implement it correctly and gain performance with it < 1595856042 126673 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as prefetch queues grew, they were increasingly likely to break good old-fashioned self-modifying 8086 code, so for a while there was a good reason to invalidate the queue when it overlapped with a store. < 1595856081 839720 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, caching memory? sure, the memory is several clock cycles from you, signals can't propagate that fast, so you put a small cache close to the cpu. it's magic, and hard to implement, but it is worht. < 1595856119 371603 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49f5:b4db:da88:8ff5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595856131 623541 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"good old-fashioned self-modifying 8086 code" => is that so common really? x86 has index registers, most code doesn't self-modify so quickly. but maybe I just don't read old code. < 1595856148 157800 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was common < 1595856184 430757 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only because for example, some of the libraries that shipped with compilers contained self-modifying code. (Borland's BGI had quite a few instances.) < 1595856234 907462 :tromp_!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1595856275 269735 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like Bresenham line-drawing code that encodes the direction taken by replacing incs with decs as needed, and possibly modifying immediates of some instructions because registers were so scarce. < 1595856318 140945 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously none of this is sane once you have multiple threads. < 1595856423 536887 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's also pretty firmly in the domain of hand-written assembly code. < 1595856588 890470 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: self-modifying code sure, but the kind of self-modifying code that doesn't do a jump instruction between? every cpu technically has to support some kind of self-modifying code, so you can load a program. < 1595856601 840997 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing incs with decs as needed? wow < 1595856653 845374 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of BASIC code that uses machine code to replace between WRITE and READ for its save/load code... < 1595856659 209487 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, it's not READ < 1595856666 40178 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :replaces between PUT and GET < 1595856750 49442 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: The only reason I know a bit about this is that I once wrote code to measure the length of the prefetch queue. It produced interesting numbers on 386, 486, but on Pentium it always resulted in 0. I don't recall whether I ever ran it on a 286. < 1595856788 847921 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, game code printed into a magazine for a particular BASIC computer, probably commodore 64, where the game can be saved or loaded by writing the values of some variables and arrays in a partly unrolled loop. < 1595856802 65870 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it worked by poking an inc instruction into a bunch of nops that were about to be executed) < 1595856858 553957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think modifying operands of memory-referencing instructions is reasonably common in Z80 code. < 1595856888 778530 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1595856893 244615 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happens in MIX code too :P < 1595856921 627485 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless my memory deceives me very badly. It might.) < 1595856995 719438 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there a MIX-in-MIX emulator in TAoCP that relies on copying instructions for most of its work? < 1595857023 839919 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not quite the same, but also an instance of heavily self-modifying code.) < 1595857423 877966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :rfk86 has one case that changes the immediates in an upcoming pair of "bit N, a" and "set N, a" instructions, because I don't think there's a variant of those instructions that takes a register operand. < 1595857469 481175 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what happens in MIX code? oh yeah, early self-modifying code. sure, it's a 70s computer, it made sense back then, most MIX implementations probably have synchronized memory access and don't even bother prefetching a single instruction < 1595857519 453536 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in MIX, you effectively have to use self-modifying code to do function returns efficiently. you could avoid them, but it would be slower. < 1595857573 723115 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMIX fixes this, it has very strict rules about when self-modifying code is allowed, even on a single thread: < 1595857635 73138 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a single special instruction to remove a memory range from code caches, and you must execute it between writing memory and executing it, no matter how many other things you do in between < 1595857661 157682 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the linker would execute that instruction on all the code loaded before it transfers control to the program < 1595857756 786190 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the operating system probably executes that instruction when zeroing a page before mapping it, so that a program can't sneakily get side channel information about data that was mapped to a different process, which sound silly, but MMIX's operating system interface is always like this, < 1595857782 242286 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1595857898 742502 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess to zero a page, you first call the pre-write instruction to throw away (roll back) any write-behind data cache, then you zero each word, then you call the pre-execute instruction to make sure the code cache doesn't leak information < 1595857957 69950 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this just gets worse if the cpu has three different kinds of branch prediction caches, like x86 has, and you have to make sure neither of them can leak side channel data from your cryptography code < 1595858643 52820 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok I'm scared now. I'm writing code, I'm making a class with several arithmetic operators overloaded on it, it's intended to be used mixed with ordinary integers in a weakly typed language where you don't know in compile time if a variable has an integer or this type, I recognize that this is usually two much magic, < 1595858650 514390 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1595858667 23329 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1595858688 647998 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already wrote multiple paragraphs of explanation for what the fuck this class does in comments, and I still haven't manged to convince myself that I should abandon this and do the more usual non-magic solution. < 1595858742 455011 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either I'll realize that later, halfway into writing this or when maintaining the code, or if not, maybe operator overloading arithmetic operations is sometimes actually useful. < 1595860242 949502 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595860997 641933 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595862452 257043 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595863023 802040 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595863551 574235 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dxnvixxdfeqvtkko QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1595864945 278873 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1595866515 541751 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1595866951 604469 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595867709 40448 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did remember reading a MIX-in-MIX emulator in TAoCP that relies on copying instructions for most of its work. (I only borrowed that book, so I do not still have.) < 1595869879 437619 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-133.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1595870699 31625 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595871874 922911 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1595871994 713021 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Palaiologos14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76254&oldid=73739 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (-59) 10 < 1595872299 869121 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1595875937 307685 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1595876124 976145 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@82.27.195.88 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595876731 371996 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1595877716 62488 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://groupprops.subwiki.org/wiki/Groups_of_order_2%5En check the last 2 entries of this table < 1595878442 778205 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49f5:b4db:da88:8ff5 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595878811 919318 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595878901 674574 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595878925 480463 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:245e:4c60:1d1e:be76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595879071 438447 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-133.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have a pair of M:tG rules theory questions. with "Skullbriar, the Walking Grave" plus "Gisa and Geralf", we can now have counters on a card on the stack. is it possible (in non-un magic) to have a counter on a sorcery or instant spell on the stack? if there's a lifelink or deathtouch counter on a card on the stack that isn't a sorcery or instant, is it possible for the keyword that it gives to < 1595879077 434096 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-133.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :matter for the rules before it's moved to another zone? < 1595879135 251543 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-133.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking this because of a hypothetical nonexistant card that lets you directly put a counter on a spell. < 1595879187 97800 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Rule 122.1b says that keyword counters do count on objects in zones other than the battlefield, but it seems to say that if the object isn't in the battlefield, it has to be a card in order for the keyword counters to work, and that doesn't make much sense to me. < 1595879214 126516 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But lifelink and deathtouch would be suitable if the spell deals damage. < 1595879450 168832 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-133.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, and I know examples where a counter on a card in the gy or stack matters: a +1/+1 counter for Morbid Bloom, or a flying counter on a Skullbriar that you cast from the graveyard < 1595879450 312542 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( enchant target counter ) < 1595879499 440923 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Only players and objects can be targeted. (The rules previously allowed zones to be targeted too, but this is no longer the case.) < 1595879516 92753 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-133.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hidden Spider works differently from the other Hidden enchantments, I know this because Hidden Spider is an actually useful card that I used in my green decks.) < 1595879566 285182 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did they get rid of the golden rule that the card text wins? < 1595879608 804584 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sill of course, maybe Un-territory. < 1595879609 848913 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: No, but it even if the card text says something, it doesn't necessarily mean that the rules support it. < 1595879621 491515 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*silly < 1595879627 176435 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, in Un-cards, you can ignore the fact that the rules don't 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02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76263&oldid=76221 5* 03Elimirks 5* (+172) 10/* Introductions */ > 1595950549 723516 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76264&oldid=76241 5* 03Elimirks 5* (+12) 10/* B */ > 1595950662 781852 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Blarb14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76265 5* 03Elimirks 5* (+282) 10Created page with "Blarb is designed to be the simplest possible (esoteric) systems programming language. Being as such, there is only one logical operator: NAND. It is an assembly-like, stack &..." < 1595950683 206207 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1595950754 791310 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Blarb14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76266&oldid=76265 5* 03Elimirks 5* (+754) 10 < 1595950818 923532 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1595950818 923584 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1595950894 925315 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Blarb14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76267&oldid=76266 5* 03Elimirks 5* (+19) 10 > 1595950970 642096 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Blarb14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76268&oldid=76267 5* 03Elimirks 5* (-19) 10 > 1595954397 464936 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!aBF'14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76269&oldid=76257 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+243) 10Examples and recategorize > 1595954455 667023 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76270&oldid=76264 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+12) 10Added !aBF' > 1595954692 244853 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!aBF'14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76271&oldid=76269 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+1) 10Bugged program, I think this works > 1595955118 83250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!aBF'14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76272&oldid=76271 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+170) 10 > 1595955213 613996 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!aBF'14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76273&oldid=76272 5* 03Caenbe 5* (-2) 10 < 1595955723 837392 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595955752 681492 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1595957286 872466 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-147.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1595957421 530295 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-147.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1208 < 1595957423 941059 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1208.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas > 1595960001 108308 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!aBF'14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76274&oldid=76273 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+201) 10Added implementaion < 1595960099 12786 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1595960342 935232 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595960654 179013 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1595960702 98185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Elimirks14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76275 5* 03Elimirks 5* (+172) 10Created page with "Author of Blarb https://github.com/elimirks/BlarbVM Co-author of RustyFungus, a Befunge VM & visualizer written in Rust https://github.com/Mulan-Szechuan-Sauce/RustyFungus" < 1595960719 439550 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595960753 432551 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the github logger was down for a short while, due to my github username change < 1595960759 507720 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot to update the git credentials < 1595960767 470356 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the multinational league for esoteric programming proliferation, protection, and protestation! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D https://github.com/kspalaiologos/esologs/ < 1595960839 232212 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-147.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh < 1595960904 477503 :kspalaiologos2!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595960911 565370 :kspalaiologos2!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what just happened < 1595960943 337786 :kspalaiologos2!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my client did something very stupid I presume? < 1595960953 177515 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1595960969 295466 :kspalaiologos2!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1595960984 412608 :kspalaiologos2!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595961020 868269 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595961027 891012 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked okay, you changed the github url for esologs < 1595961063 177128 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hardly believe that the rest of the topic is still the same. It's been that way for two months... < 1595961098 179224 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1595961346 594308 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos2: weechat? happens to me too, client at times doesn't continue with the previous nick, so it connects again with a new one while the old one slowly reaches ping timeout < 1595961397 312739 :kspalaiologos2!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1595961401 388905 :kspalaiologos2!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what's going on < 1595961431 547487 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kritixilithos: that's not really a client issue < 1595961500 791348 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an irc thing? what's the mechanism? < 1595961513 148809 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kritixilithos: (It may be, obviously, but more likelt it's a TCP/IP issue really. A connection can look closed from one end and open from the other for various reasons.) < 1595962133 240919 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1595962270 66534 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:!aBF'14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76276 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+214) 10Created talk page < 1595962616 960537 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1595964214 878637 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1595964271 988888 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1595965250 784846 :kspalaiologos2!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.212 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1595966064 966085 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595966157 652579 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595967662 793958 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:79f3:3c9e:5a44:953c QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1595968285 618789 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595968371 273697 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595968803 44138 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1595969178 200144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EXCON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76277&oldid=76259 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+76) 10 < 1595969475 157790 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595970010 30445 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595970485 514636 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595971481 531430 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595973305 177083 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1595973925 689025 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:245e:4c60:1d1e:be76 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595975267 416897 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:245e:4c60:1d1e:be76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595975949 732866 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595976517 320623 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:245e:4c60:1d1e:be76 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595976532 607353 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595976578 973501 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595976602 574695 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595978300 237381 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595978339 505452 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this is good for a survey question file format? I did not write about the answer file format, yet. < 1595978346 775623 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this is good for a survey question file format? I did not write about the answer file format, yet. http://sprunge.us/JCW3L7 > 1595978633 889870 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WII2D14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76278&oldid=73124 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+0) 10Resolve command conflict > 1595980342 147469 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WII2D14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76279&oldid=76278 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+0) 10 < 1595982146 968344 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595982763 596488 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1595982912 328143 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595984276 249778 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryhptfjhruxocndj QUIT :*.net *.split < 1595984276 855723 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1595984277 156539 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju QUIT :*.net *.split < 1595984277 454388 :stux!stux2@grid9.quadspeedi.net QUIT :*.net *.split > 1595984472 779486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Babalang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76280&oldid=72354 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-6782) 10Move big program to gist < 1595984482 248761 :stux!stux2@grid9.quadspeedi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595984513 888484 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryhptfjhruxocndj JOIN :#esoteric < 1595984513 888536 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1595984513 991678 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju JOIN :#esoteric < 1595984624 913157 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xnoeeautzxlhtgtp QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1595984626 954172 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-mrmoxzlcwqvccpdj QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1595985047 974047 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xoxpussdzlztkiix JOIN :#esoteric > 1595985076 651382 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Babalang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76281&oldid=76280 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+321) 10Add 99 bottles of beer & truth machine example programs > 1595985119 639681 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Babalang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76282&oldid=76281 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+0) 10/* Truth machine */ > 1595985968 792261 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76283&oldid=76253 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-767) 10Begin subprocesses > 1595986016 399340 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76284&oldid=76283 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+3) 10/* Control flow operations */ < 1595986523 745343 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use hypnosis to forget a password of a computer? > 1595986637 941434 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:!aBF'14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76285&oldid=76276 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+589) 10/* Categorization */ < 1595986846 278926 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fibgouyioygerxzk JOIN :#esoteric > 1595988606 132923 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76286&oldid=76284 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-2355) 10Document surreal literals > 1595988618 630819 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76287&oldid=76286 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-1) 10/* Surreal literals */ < 1595988784 778048 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1595988945 734360 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76288&oldid=76287 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+129) 10Mixed set and numeric literals > 1595988970 663581 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76289&oldid=76288 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+0) 10/* Surreal literals */ > 1595989032 236866 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76290&oldid=76289 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+34) 10/* Surreal literals */ > 1595989090 878229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76291&oldid=76290 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-133) 10/* Surreal operations */ > 1595989113 741038 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76292&oldid=76291 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+9) 10/* Surreal operations */ < 1595989122 729119 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1595990066 986400 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76293&oldid=76292 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+45) 10Fix section links > 1595990481 324863 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76294&oldid=76293 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+542) 10Document regular subprocesses > 1595990735 732061 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76295&oldid=76294 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+0) 10Change infinite subprocesses to infinite loops > 1595990751 287059 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76296&oldid=76295 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+0) 10/* Surreal operations */ < 1595991508 919238 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595991789 460334 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595991829 862694 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1595992508 961037 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76297&oldid=76148 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+2758) 10Add some stuff > 1595992872 890769 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76298&oldid=76297 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+12) 10Fix headers > 1595992930 821429 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WII2D14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76299&oldid=76279 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+101) 10 > 1595993031 295421 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76300&oldid=76298 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (-3) 10/* Description */ > 1595993072 189730 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76301&oldid=76300 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (-3) 10Fix syntax > 1595993237 341896 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76302&oldid=76301 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+0) 10Fix compressed version > 1595993460 390248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76303&oldid=76260 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+12) 10/* Implementations */ > 1595993509 786718 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76304&oldid=76303 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+12) 10/* Implementations */ < 1595994012 153109 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1595994124 290490 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07GORBITSA14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76305&oldid=76005 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+160) 10Can't believe I didn't notice this until now, fixed < 1595994234 238291 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595994754 521031 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595995012 539361 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1595996269 638071 :adu!4c6f63c2@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1595997297 829574 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1595997779 633191 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer programs which will ask for permission to know your location or access a camera or microphone or whatever (such as some web browsers, I think), should also add, in addition to "yes" and "no" options, also one more option for specifying your own data instead (which can be useful if you do not have the proper hardware to do that). < 1595997999 436141 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1595998287 481617 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1595999492 887417 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1596001249 43416 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric > 1596001505 718843 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-PDA14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76306&oldid=73032 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+76) 10/* External resources */ < 1596001506 145244 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1596002365 438419 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596002493 851944 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596004403 774117 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596004572 910001 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596004961 789985 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596005021 779963 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596005534 645877 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-147.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1596005726 830719 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1596005792 393888 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596005938 644558 :adu!4c6f63c2@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1596006580 462912 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596006994 404632 :bitgor!566a5aea@86.106.90.234 JOIN :#esoteric > 1596007003 149493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76307&oldid=76237 5* 03Camto 5* (-42) 10Edit link for asm2bf to be to the wiki page. < 1596008009 86512 :bitgor!566a5aea@86.106.90.234 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596009020 786939 :kritixil1!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596009183 866014 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596009876 989920 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596009932 76831 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1596010208 145608 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1596010323 845090 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596011464 929623 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1596011472 924136 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1596011894 124978 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1596012617 925108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turinf machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76308&oldid=76240 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-551) 10 > 1596012769 86471 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh400/TFNP14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76309&oldid=73384 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+0) 10 < 1596013413 940018 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596015324 297708 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596016053 981583 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596016444 664227 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read this yet, but it's interesting and very recent paper from NIST on their Post-Quantum Cryptography algorithm 'competition' https://csrc.nist.gov/publications/detail/nistir/8309/final might be of interest to people here < 1596016612 42213 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is interesting < 1596016624 920705 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to understand LLL algorithm better < 1596016900 170740 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :salpynx: what is lacking to make it a full-fledged competition without the quotes? < 1596016997 430078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, why doesn't NIST standardize some unkeyed permutation? < 1596017013 4331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone's using AES and it's silly. < 1596017027 215331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want hardware implementations of a fancy permutation, not AES-NI. < 1596017050 710993 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they call it 'competition-like' in the abstract. I heard it being referred to as a competition elsewhere and I assumed that was informally. It sounds like it is a serious attempt at deriving future standards < 1596017130 717843 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use competition to find the best cipher > 1596017281 521940 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Babalang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76310&oldid=76282 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+0) 10/* Truth machine */ < 1596017321 595365 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find a mention of prizes. If one or more algorithms win ... we all win? < 1596017323 811830 :kritixil1!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1596017532 675163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07WII2D14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76311&oldid=76299 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-2) 10Befunge was known to be hard to compile, not interpret. > 1596017936 602709 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:FLeckami2114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76312 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+77) 10Created page with "Hi everyone, Here we are language I've created: (empty, for the moment ...)" < 1596017937 962182 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( LLL, the troublesome child of the Euclidean algorithm and the Gram-Schmidt procedure) < 1596018037 428420 :kritixil1!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596018215 312257 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: that's a rather broad question though. do you want to implement it, do you want to understand how it works, or do you want to know how to use it? (I have some vague ideas around this, no answers. I might be interested in figuring them out though.) < 1596018238 623991 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't necessarily need to implement it < 1596018246 149681 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im interested in its applications < 1596018256 275449 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinkk the book by Cohn might be good < 1596018458 733577 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably start by re-watching https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9075-latticehacks because I forgot almost everything. < 1596018488 134200 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For some crypto-related applications. It treats LLL as a black box.) < 1596018540 542384 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sad but all I really remember for certain is the terrible pun. < 1596018793 891204 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1596018872 884397 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to say thanks for the good link... then the pun happened. < 1596018885 97785 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, thanks :) < 1596019991 238868 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1596020835 389590 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596020856 158596 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I recall it (impressions only), the rest of the talk was pretty serious though, but needed study (and probably digging up some references later on) to understand. < 1596021016 503914 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's verify. :) > 1596021491 732587 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:FLeckami2114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76313&oldid=76312 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (-2) 10 < 1596021498 681314 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596021643 861707 :kritixil1!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596021792 854049 :kritixil1!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596022149 653893 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PART #esoteric :"REMINISCING CHICKEN" < 1596022149 800692 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1596022833 271596 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1596022847 963031 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1596023941 347805 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1596024372 738100 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1596024843 240251 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596024958 924790 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596025723 842942 :kritixil1!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596026660 397050 :kritixil1!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596026696 954662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596026729 56518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : […] is it possible (in non-un magic) to have a counter on a sorcery or instant spell on the stack? ← Lightning Storm < 1596026733 531288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Lightning Storm < 1596026734 896981 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lightning Storm \ 1RR \ Instant \ Lightning Storm deals X damage to any target, where X is 3 plus the number of charge counters on Lightning Storm. \ Discard a land card: Put two charge counters on Lightning Storm. You may choose a new target for it. Any player may activate this ability but only if Lightning Storm is on the stack. \ CSP-U > 1596029433 141965 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Math&Matrix14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76314 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+845) 10Created page with "''This page is WIP'' '''Math&Matrix''' is a language based on a matrices list. Each matrix in this list is an instruction based on math properties (determinant, invertibility..." > 1596029464 828751 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Math&Matrix14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76315&oldid=76314 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+6) 10 < 1596029471 616196 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1596029543 963 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:FLeckami2114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76316&oldid=76313 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (-4) 10 > 1596032339 585011 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76317&oldid=76302 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+1977) 10Add new language < 1596035606 940998 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596035787 272679 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596035787 272852 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596037196 777824 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596037345 324209 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596037345 650033 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1596037468 569262 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596040265 475255 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have a counter on any object or player. However, I should think that the rules should be fixed so that it says if a pile (or zone, such as the library) is shuffled, the objects should count a new objects even though it is in the same zone (similar to rule 400.8, 400.9, and 400.10). < 1596040322 887956 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1596040329 797089 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Presumably, the number of a kind of counter on an object or player is a one-shot property, although each kind of counter on an object or player also has a timestamp.) < 1596040945 950017 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596041470 671490 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-38.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric > 1596041607 493481 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07D14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76318&oldid=72944 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+839) 10Add code examples > 1596041655 988201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07D14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76319&oldid=76318 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (-9) 10Removed {{stub}} as there is more info now < 1596042833 780516 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric > 1596042876 758874 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76320&oldid=76317 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (-8) 10Update > 1596043106 59096 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76321&oldid=76320 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (-132) 10Update syntax < 1596043303 834438 :kritixil1!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596043548 783971 :kritixil1!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596044903 781666 :kritixil1!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596045116 541353 :kritixil1!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596048380 926593 :kritixil1!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1596053704 26805 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596054284 685165 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1596054778 994586 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596054836 997446 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1596058838 94714 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1596060085 489181 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-38.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1596060330 980448 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1596060385 571550 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-38.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1596060483 836670 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596060970 829642 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1596061850 117184 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596063280 191512 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1596063401 927276 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76322&oldid=76321 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (-2) 10Fix syntax < 1596063798 264954 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596065032 227681 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1596065131 567640 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76323&oldid=76147 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+141) 10Add some of my favorite programming languages < 1596065185 455596 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596065661 393701 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1596065771 322839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit > 1596065806 97659 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76324&oldid=76322 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+150) 10Update syntax and add division program < 1596068710 732979 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1596068766 317737 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric > 1596070594 664362 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76325&oldid=76296 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+490) 10Repeating decimals, rational numbers, and alternate bases < 1596070810 954884 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1596070828 221742 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1596070946 446037 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596071247 462583 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1596071649 518579 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subreal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76326&oldid=76325 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+114) 10Better literal examples < 1596073320 122833 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1596073340 861765 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1596074183 458889 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596074184 499888 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596074266 950812 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596074477 425418 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1596074707 119927 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1596074942 801956 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1596075145 169231 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596076103 330041 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596077434 613127 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596077714 482908 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1596078115 682554 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76327&oldid=76304 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+13) 10/* Implementations */ < 1596080514 802215 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1596080609 302651 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596080678 415514 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596080975 422660 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1596081185 223933 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596081793 178053 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596081879 559264 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596083936 540238 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596084193 438708 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1596087171 423344 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596087473 484547 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1596088533 885407 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1596089312 31925 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1596090422 489799 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596090703 495480 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1596092082 519258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596093665 475712 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596093822 797929 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596093838 502326 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596095088 937841 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596095338 790998 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596095996 545270 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596096085 314524 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596096888 214099 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-117.host.pobb.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596096918 30935 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-117.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, good morning < 1596096958 374534 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596096958 920247 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1596097554 327454 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-38.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1596098279 103389 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1596099303 563683 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:FLeckami2114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76328 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+220) 10Created page with "== Hi == Just thought I'd let you know, there is someone who is going to use Math&Matrix after its completion (me). ~~~~" > 1596101379 337743 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:FLeckami2114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76329&oldid=76328 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+128) 10/* Hi */ < 1596101499 936600 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-117.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A little while ago I came across "fusible numbers" which I had never heard of before. https://arxiv.org/abs/2003.14342 < 1596101577 750880 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-117.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not read the paper yet but the definition sounds like it's the sort of thing that people here find interesting < 1596102210 312128 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596102252 22900 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596103093 181173 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :the paper references rautenberg's concise introduction to logic, anybody recommend it for someone at an undergrad level? > 1596104377 739450 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Math&Matrix14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76330&oldid=76315 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+311) 10/* Instructions */ < 1596108447 189236 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-117.host.pobb.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1596108481 503709 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm, the abstract is missing a base case, what is it... 1? < 1596108519 639695 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1596108546 658158 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not, my bad. I "computed" (0+0+1)/2 = 0. < 1596111031 250788 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23989215 < 1596111036 669860 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More GPT-3 stuff < 1596111255 424665 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. < 1596111731 22042 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596111779 485709 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you referring to my link? < 1596112082 647894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you feeling depressed because GPT-3 gets all the attention? < 1596112082 864303 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there is no if block because you can simulate all this, the reference implementation? where is it > 1596112700 552506 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Math&Matrix14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76331&oldid=76330 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+537) 10/* Instructions */ < 1596113168 237585 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596113234 404380 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1596113896 584859 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Math&Matrix14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76332&oldid=76331 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+159) 10/* Instructions */ < 1596114017 489598 :Lykaina!~lyka@unaffiliated/schrodingerscat QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1596114311 486110 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596115001 998207 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-248-196.host.pobb.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596115857 996923 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1596117128 700469 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1596118624 519973 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03AlvinBalvin321 5* 10New user account > 1596118906 856245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76333&oldid=76263 5* 03AlvinBalvin321 5* (+211) 10/* Introductions */ > 1596118993 631453 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76334&oldid=76333 5* 03AlvinBalvin321 5* (+101) 10/* Introductions */ > 1596119209 64462 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:AlvinBalvin32114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76335 5* 03AlvinBalvin321 5* (+66) 10Created page with "hello [https://www.youtube.com/alvinbalvin321 My youtube channel]" > 1596119318 831328 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76336&oldid=76324 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (-2216) 10Update > 1596120104 926031 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Helen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76337&oldid=61321 5* 03AlvinBalvin321 5* (+102) 10 < 1596121144 581501 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596121292 785906 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:e50b:1678:fedb:8182 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596121969 885219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596122686 448471 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596122934 768332 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-248-196.host.pobb.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1596123743 294411 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596123745 482668 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596123795 515335 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1596123825 298729 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596123913 628876 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1596125523 778927 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1596125526 927712 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unleash14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76338 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+5316) 10+[[Unleash]] > 1596125532 783955 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76339&oldid=76270 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+14) 10+[[Unleash]] > 1596125536 374391 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76340&oldid=76242 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+14) 10+[[Unleash]] < 1596125590 820657 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596126081 988412 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1596126932 918903 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596128179 771538 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596128269 964480 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596128903 793792 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596129066 332002 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1596129583 838554 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596129967 266888 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596130096 59811 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596130333 821708 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-153.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1596132061 800465 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.234 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596132198 461722 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1596132200 838916 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1:1249) boily: some girl from germany just messaged me and turned out the freezer was set to some sort of esoteric natural language. \ 1131) zzo38: AAAAAAAAAAH! sudden illumination. “mind switch.” I now understand. < 1596132357 516930 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you heard of any pinball games that will go on tilt if the flipper is held up for too long? < 1596132394 491106 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never heard of that < 1596132430 698058 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone mentioned it to me once, but I have never seen it. < 1596132501 802739 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Usually it only goes on tilt for excessive nudging, or if you try to lift one side of the table to adjust the slope. Many computer pinball games don't go on tilt though; it is less important since the amount of nudging is controlled by the computer and excessive nudging can't damage it.) < 1596132608 875830 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric > 1596132619 767001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Serenity14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76341&oldid=76220 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+4) 10/* Instructions */ > 1596133038 892102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03447xpro 5* 10New user account < 1596133883 822572 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596134025 779363 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit lost with asm2bf, any ideas on what features should I get rolling? < 1596134032 997388 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about setting up some basic trig instructions < 1596134044 83506 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also thought about extending bfvm and writing proper documentation (lol) < 1596134151 915798 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest writing proper documentation; too many programs they have these days don't have any < 1596134908 127049 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1596135207 522627 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric > 1596135573 650955 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76342&oldid=76334 5* 03447xpro 5* (+324) 10/* Introductions */ > 1596135600 930125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76343&oldid=76342 5* 03447xpro 5* (-5) 10 > 1596135614 860996 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pyramid Scheme14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76344 5* 03447xpro 5* (+2711) 10Created page < 1596135628 174803 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric > 1596135710 251518 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76345&oldid=76339 5* 03447xpro 5* (+21) 10/* P */ > 1596135840 483223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pyramid Scheme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76346&oldid=76344 5* 03447xpro 5* (+139) 10added psll compiler link < 1596136003 31337 :adu_!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596136091 751292 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596136091 858353 :adu_!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net NICK :adu < 1596136720 825704 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596136749 690716 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Client Quit < 1596139466 600293 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.234 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1596140534 903533 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:BASICER14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76347&oldid=46733 5* 03AlvinBalvin321 5* (+133) 10 > 1596140551 621068 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:AlvinBalvin32114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76348 5* 03AlvinBalvin321 5* (+4) 10Created page with "talk" > 1596140569 364493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:AlvinBalvin32114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76349&oldid=76348 5* 03AlvinBalvin321 5* (+12) 10/* ? */ new section < 1596142600 472762 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1596143277 32040 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1596145537 705625 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Kettle3D 5* 10New user account < 1596146814 154136 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1596147762 721981 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07+-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76350&oldid=71388 5* 03AlvinBalvin321 5* (+1780) 10 > 1596148185 881752 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07+-14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76351&oldid=76350 5* 03AlvinBalvin321 5* (-45) 10 < 1596148463 838394 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596148587 246990 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1596149087 226209 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596149145 178480 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596149173 333267 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596149564 523887 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1596150114 491465 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596150505 203229 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596152429 696714 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596154374 719754 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I think the icon fonts is working. (I used the suggestion mentioned here to make the icon fonts to be vector fonts; the raster data will be recorded when the icon font is loaded.) < 1596154424 965026 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For pure monochrome icons, normal fonts probably will work better, I think.) < 1596154442 30375 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596154461 492154 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1596154679 168798 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does ais523 know how to make icon of card game they were designing (if any icons should be needed)? < 1596154826 734128 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1596156301 23285 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1596156438 781830 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596156663 10625 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596157012 781247 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:e50b:1678:fedb:8182 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1596158195 780126 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a idea of a Magic: the Gathering card which can have "protection from cards". < 1596158361 550113 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or, which grants protection from cards to enchanted permanent, maybe) < 1596158371 978011 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1596160699 761609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If every year you get returns of r on your money and then save 1 money, then after n years you have f^n(0), where f(x) = rx + 1. This is (r^n - 1)/(r - 1) < 1596160711 952581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a nice way to see why the ratio of "returns after n years - 1" to "returns after one year - 1" is this value? < 1596161256 960206 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIEWgwRrY9s < 1596161313 620911 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596161349 871621 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it easier to think about in terms of the fact that 1/(1-r) = 1 + r + r^2 + ... < 1596161385 302438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can phrase it as (1 - r^n)/(1 - r) < 1596161410 555113 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, or (1/(1-r)) - r^n * (1/(1-r)) < 1596161421 438943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1596161434 263249 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I'm not sure about the ratio thing < 1596161436 441932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing you can do when r is an integer is to say that 1+r+r^2+...+r^n is the number "111...111" in base r < 1596161476 908356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :111...111 = 999...999/9 = (10^n - 1)/(10 - 1) < 1596161509 307052 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596161527 908692 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1596161530 16708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe n is off by 1 here.) < 1596161546 593609 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the telescoping trick < 1596161585 392853 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(10-1)*11111 = 111110-11111 = 100000-1. > 1596161619 393784 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ZippyMagician/Ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76352&oldid=76336 5* 03ZippyMagician 5* (+2292) 10Re-add < 1596161680 994471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, properly written: sum_{0 <= i < n} x^i = 1/(x-1) sum_{0 <= 0 < n} x^(i+1) - x^i =[telescoping happens here]= (x^n - 1)/(x-1) < 1596161786 508723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is telescoping? < 1596161815 113140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still curious about the "ratio of return-1s". What should I be expecting that kind of thing to mean? < 1596161894 931151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: No kids and three money sounds pretty good. < 1596161929 26674 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1596161976 635287 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: telescoping is when one half of a term in a series cancels with the other half of the next term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescoping_series < 1596162010 847861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's an actual term to look up, I didn't realize. < 1596162017 138683 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here x^(k+1) (for i = k) and -x^(k+1) (for i = k+1) < 1596163402 156250 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596165177 986019 :xelxebar_!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1596165203 915430 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596166946 755479 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596167025 170769 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596167026 930407 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1596168020 60128 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1596169509 848560 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596173464 115272 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1596173855 959316 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1596180145 115530 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1596180933 95017 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596181566 830584 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1596182666 280715 :xelxebar_!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.7.2+deb3 - https://znc.in < 1596182666 280769 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1596182713 861750 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-15.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1596182779 358382 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596182779 358449 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1596182841 239123 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596184393 954563 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-153.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1596184427 110211 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1596185051 731813 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596185471 195822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, why is it called "telling someone about the birds and the bees" in English? The equivalent Finnish idiom refers to "the flowers and the bees", which makes a lot more sense; pollination and all that. < 1596185760 689057 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_birds_and_the_bees with some discussion on the origin < 1596185777 174116 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596185825 22804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I guess it's birds and bees as two separate things. < 1596185867 761946 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Whoever named that Mars rover "Perseverence" has never heard of jinxing it. ) < 1596185874 951152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Irreversible binomial" sounded like a math thing, but turned out to be a language thing. < 1596185994 436797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kissat seems like a pretty good SAT solver. < 1596186001 110581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won a bunch of the 2020 competition. < 1596186004 303133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has the best name? < 1596186010 827887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's difficult to compete. < 1596186115 688415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi:kissat = en:cats, but I have a feeling that wasn't intentional. < 1596186272 589748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/arminbiere/kissat says it's a coincidence. < 1596186275 912273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I doubt that. < 1596186286 69977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the reason I said it has the best name. < 1596186319 242270 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you do your due diligence and google the name you'll figure that out < 1596186365 344403 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you duckduckgo you may find https://www.ilves-kissat.fi/ ... Google does not seem to deem it nearly as relevant :P < 1596186412 460035 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so that's Armin Biere's newest SAT solver. < 1596186632 935428 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( It's too bad that "clause" is singular and "claws" is plural. Otherwise there would be many puns. ) < 1596186640 777931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's the new CaDiCaL < 1596186740 998032 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kissat is a "keep it simple and clean bare metal SAT solver" written in C. [...] Coincidentally "kissat" also means "cats" in Finnish." < 1596186779 432661 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-15.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll think I'm mad as a hatter when I tell you that every SAT solver must have three different names < 1596186845 603554 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't the Lord of the Rings. < 1596186858 927512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's old possum's book. < 1596186895 1708 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Also, tbf, a reimplementation in a different language (even if it's moving from C++ to C) can justify a new name. < 1596186965 624978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Book of practical kissat? < 1596187023 77335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CaDiCaL takes 80 CPU seconds to compile here, and kissat takes 13. < 1596187045 192668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's 9.3s and 1.6s with -j12.) < 1596187063 663171 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty good speedup < 1596187088 665897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what you get for using C++, I think. < 1596187092 393906 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the CPU time is all in spinlocks :P < 1596187127 322318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would cc use any spinlocks? < 1596187510 716718 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it starts hypertreading after -j6 and -j12 is only ~10% faster than -j6. < 1596187526 40400 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for kissat) < 1596187590 679478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's fair, I guess. < 1596187667 831268 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the missing `h` was intentional, in case you're wondering) < 1596187702 24051 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596188583 769373 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596188794 751609 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596188954 443220 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/b.txt -- how does going beyond -j12 reduce sys time? < 1596188977 552378 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for cadical) < 1596189761 369707 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596189791 354282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mysterious. < 1596189914 371493 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, ymmv (and I'm still pretty happy with the performance of this computer... it's almost 4 years old now, wow) < 1596190052 156068 :cpressey1!~cpressey@79-72-202-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1596190189 938507 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-15.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1596190271 12118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much total CPU time it would use if it was all in one translation unit. < 1596190545 919842 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1596191037 350605 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Math&Matrix14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76353&oldid=76332 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+700) 10 > 1596191337 113327 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Math&Matrix14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76354&oldid=76353 5* 03FLeckami21 5* (+9) 10/* Matrix form */ < 1596192098 579312 :cpressey1!~cpressey@79-72-202-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com NICK :cpressey < 1596192761 543697 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:49e1:2235:a55d:a0e5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1596196048 833997 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: A la prochaine. > 1596196410 817132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Math&Matrix14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76355&oldid=76354 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-13) 10There are presets about common phrases here. < 1596196901 178328 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596200238 580862 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1596201214 890281 :cpressey1!~cpressey@79-72-200-142.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1596201275 600854 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596201410 725721 :cpressey1!~cpressey@79-72-200-142.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com NICK :cpressey < 1596202143 346605 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://math.stackexchange.com/users/7234/bill-gosper woah cool < 1596202231 90548 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1596202257 931117 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1596203045 181138 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596204423 334774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1596204423 480631 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 311350Z AUTO 15016KT 9999 NCD 37/11 Q1009 NOSIG < 1596204430 38112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just ridiculous. > 1596204508 53177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Maxi 5* 10New user account > 1596205117 541413 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76356&oldid=76343 5* 03Maxi 5* (+151) 10/* Introductions */ < 1596205991 487042 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1596205991 697941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 311420Z 06009KT 030V090 9999 FEW070 FEW075TCU 33/15 Q1016 NOSIG < 1596206007 459610 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too warm already if you ask me < 1596206075 467683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596206241 479293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1596206915 779341 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ac41:ca60:848:e87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596207202 778000 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ac41:ca60:848:e87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1596208138 828458 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-142.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1596208218 709235 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1596208584 490340 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596209225 679464 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596210124 797503 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596210299 739929 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596210302 917183 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1596210338 147323 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596213347 546177 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented my own kind of cryptographic randomized padding, where each frame consists of: the length of worthless data, the worthless data, the sequence number, the checksum of all data so far in this frame and all previous frames, the length of the payload data, and then the payload data. < 1596213363 875982 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Splitting the data into frames can be done arbitrarily.) < 1596213414 500821 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ac41:ca60:848:e87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596213709 465668 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ac41:ca60:848:e87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1596213812 559590 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric > 1596213922 735884 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BFBASIC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76357&oldid=37601 5* 03Maxi 5* (-22) 10Removed link to Wayback machine, since the page is available. < 1596215253 770421 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1596215384 654917 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to request more testers? < 1596215523 797396 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596215948 204341 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1596216427 815479 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596216653 368855 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596216815 783030 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric > 1596216831 203563 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unleash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76358&oldid=76338 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+0) 10/* Instruction % */ < 1596217298 402116 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:855:f94d:7217:96e6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596217298 823002 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596217818 899745 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1596218917 915863 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596219523 818595 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596224513 669065 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596225306 866631 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi all. Is there a channel for demomaking? < 1596225575 375062 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:855:f94d:7217:96e6 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1596225791 395480 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BFBASIC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76359&oldid=76357 5* 03Maxi 5* (+136) 10 < 1596226155 576643 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. those retro guys are weirdos like us, some of them probably hang out on IRC somewhere. but I don't know the details sadly. < 1596226849 653912 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could ask alis < 1596227074 477929 :alienapefarm!~IceChat9@67-1-34-126.tcso.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596227487 514079 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:855:f94d:7217:96e6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596227503 919211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRCnet, and to some degree EFnet, has(/had) a certain amount of association with the demoscene. < 1596227544 125774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less sure about specific channels though. pouët says http://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=8192&page=1 (but that's from back in 2011 (but that's not *so* old)) < 1596227556 491282 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah, that would make more sense, they're on the old style networks rather than freenode or oftc < 1596227570 185587 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the kind of nonsense why I still have to connect to ircnet < 1596227628 167674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a few of my more demoscene-oriented friends frequented #coders, if I remember right. < 1596227728 777074 :alienapefarm!~IceChat9@67-1-34-126.tcso.qwest.net PART :#esoteric < 1596229255 951960 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my tooth hurts. it's not bad, it only stops me from eating on the left site. such a problem happens often enough I dread the day when I'll have a problem with teeth in both sides of my jaws and I won't be able to eat at all. < 1596229848 937641 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1596232071 285399 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I've been showcasing some of your programs you wrote in another channels. Thanks again. < 1596232086 434097 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also finally got around to analyzing them. Neat tricks! < 1596232103 914454 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: can you be specific? thanks < 1596232121 224058 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote programs in other channels? do you mean like #jsoftware? < 1596232121 647216 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two quines and the mandelbrot renderer. < 1596232129 588461 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's not a channel but ok < 1596232149 129143 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nono. I've been showcasing your programs, into other channels. < 1596232162 91613 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, *into* other channels. I see. < 1596232167 635760 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're now known as the 'genius from #esoteric'. < 1596232185 124191 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't know if you would appreciate a direct reference. < 1596232234 247237 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now I'm not sure which two quines. I wrote more than two quines, both in J (which is what the mandelbrot renderer is written in, unless there's another one I totally forgot about) and in perl < 1596232241 322106 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I only wrote exactly two quines in C though < 1596232248 172251 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and exactly two in SQLite for that matter < 1596232264 620496 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egel! I am the guy who ran egelbot here for a while. < 1596232275 263508 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the egel quines and egel mandelbrot renderer < 1596232275 945759 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1596232286 675131 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know you wrote egel, but I forgot about those things < 1596232295 277473 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write quines in a lot of things < 1596232319 946512 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finally got the trick myself. Neat. < 1596232326 539636 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which trick? < 1596232339 40431 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick of writing quines in general, or the trick of writing that sort of quine that I'm writing? < 1596232362 138064 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trick to the quines you wrote. Don't know if there are more techniques. < 1596232506 139666 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some ways to write quines and polyglots depending on the programming language. < 1596232511 503664 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :other #esoteric regulars might be able to tell about that < 1596232514 981545 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, what he says < 1596232675 500157 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing polyglot programs can also be useful for various purposes sometimes. < 1596232791 804053 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially public header files for libraries where the header is a C/C++ polyglot. C++ was designed to make that possible usually. < 1596232821 718678 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can use #ifdef for that, and I have seen that it is common < 1596232829 614129 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you usually don't even need ifdefs < 1596232841 153777 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just avoid a few things that break the combination < 1596232854 492279 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ifdefs come in when you want it to work with the MS compiler too < 1596232859 377981 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the programming language is similar enough that sometimes it works without. < 1596232902 640502 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if it's not very old C or very old C++ < 1596233105 636782 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hope my usual gibberish comes across to C++. I really have no idea what I am doing exactly in that language. < 1596233116 458051 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to work out, somehow. < 1596233134 654349 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: but... isn't the egel implementation written in C++ already? < 1596233330 65660 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you have read https://perlmonks.com/?node_id=591502 right? it's my favorite polyglot, written by a friend < 1596233331 829616 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. No idea what I am doing. < 1596233336 960187 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But works. < 1596233344 262865 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1596233349 704421 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, everyone starts like that < 1596235287 841763 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make a polyglot with PostScript and with a shell script that executes the PostScript program, you might add the first line like: (exec gs -dNODISPLAY -dNOSAFER -q -- "$0" "$@"; ')pop%('); exit # (you can also define a different output than -dNODISPLAY, or you can handle selecting the output device in the PostScript code instead, using setpagedevice) < 1596235331 471432 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596235602 916865 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1596235941 666392 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:855:f94d:7217:96e6 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596237153 227048 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596237703 14035 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596238133 553634 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596238465 879259 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1596238562 68840 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1596239701 247282 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1596239968 131708 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds