> 1596326467 701741 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76391&oldid=76384 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-6) 10/* COME BACK LYXAL!!! */ Removed two more bytes < 1596327583 697100 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596327621 382586 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596327644 621433 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596327889 850503 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1596328008 583331 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Math&Matrix14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76392 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+251) 10Created page with "I feel like this language should be more related to math itself. It seems to haved syntax represented with "matrix" but real math doesn't do much. ~~~~" < 1596328186 367920 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:855:f94d:7217:96e6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596328507 399402 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:855:f94d:7217:96e6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1596331287 57149 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:855:f94d:7217:96e6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596331365 292459 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:855:f94d:7217:96e6 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596331651 776275 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea: Machine with infinitely wide Möbius band as memory. It can only write one symbol onto the band, which looks like ^, but if it walks around in the finite direction and makes its way back to that cell, it will see v instead. < 1596331748 326906 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I like that idea, make up something with that, or perhaps to put in list of ideas in wiki, maybe < 1596331968 284823 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1596332579 235130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76393&oldid=76391 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+172) 10/* Do-while loop */ < 1596332693 571762 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: is that basically like a turing machine with one tape and three symbols where the head can only write over blank cells? < 1596332726 280605 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can also write over filled cells, I think < 1596332735 440054 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can only write ^ < 1596332749 331393 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can have both ^ and v in the same cell? < 1596332758 484295 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it'll just replace what's in the cell < 1596332764 452481 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1596333728 776520 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:855:f94d:7217:96e6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596334168 488185 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596334264 545644 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596335092 243251 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Cute < 1596335249 58159 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :posix_spawn() IIRC was spec'd just to give an interface that can have some of the perf benefits from vfork() without having the utter specification nightmare < 1596335290 605073 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and on good implementations, for things that can be done with posix_spawn it will use vfork() or something analogous for implementation) < 1596336976 686312 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would seem that opponent can pay life to protect your lands too, with the Magic: the Gathering card "Cleansing"; sometimes this is useful. < 1596337090 444637 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(See https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Topic:Vr9ekwbia7l4g6jp for one example) > 1596337373 486889 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76394&oldid=76393 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-205) 10/* Hard */ < 1596337470 46973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Too bad the posix_spawn API is awful. < 1596337479 601076 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1596337505 251469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My wrapper is a bit better at least. < 1596337532 680848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they actually expect people to check error conditions a for every file action and everything? < 1596337555 40805 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a great idea < 1596337577 71488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the main way these things can fail is ENOMEM. > 1596337626 766214 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76395&oldid=76394 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-85) 10/* Equality */ < 1596337754 808438 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1596339035 678974 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596339498 694163 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596339526 906495 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596339919 44981 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1596340016 952412 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596340819 635203 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/VRsf3B Do you like this? Do you have other ideas please? > 1596342119 181761 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PRASCAL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76396 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+2093) 10Stub for a high-level `Pataphysical programming language based on PASCAL, from 2016 < 1596342206 196874 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) > 1596342381 576640 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76397&oldid=76395 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+75) 10 > 1596346042 403390 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76398&oldid=76397 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+24) 10/* Hard */ < 1596346121 587780 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, someone said that the best design of Unix is that a line break is only one byte. < 1596346429 374401 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596346513 935238 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596349405 797269 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596351183 766474 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596351829 878731 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1596351945 129318 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596353066 834670 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596355661 285067 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:855:f94d:7217:96e6 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596355675 441041 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ccad:82f4:31a5:ba55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596355954 869969 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1596356147 236261 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596359165 842651 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596362384 882839 :xelxebar_!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1596362403 817807 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596362403 939433 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596363386 767219 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596365756 674915 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's akin to saying that Ferrari has the best cars because they're red. < 1596366286 955458 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.242.0.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596368503 832191 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596371311 575348 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596371414 645382 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596371964 282359 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596372222 767566 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596372637 996612 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1596372885 226458 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596373100 953273 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1596373574 980541 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1596373608 902956 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596373660 559554 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1596374698 463786 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: unix isn't the only thing that's designed in a way that the terminal device replaces the line separtor to a crlf on output (because that's what line printers want) and a cr with a line separator on input (because cr is what the keyboard gives). older platforms just do it more sanely by using the cr as the line separator, which means there's only one replacement. < 1596374883 869442 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596375819 535405 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:844d:dece:9bd4:fbb2 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596376221 774237 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1596379639 161452 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1596381170 615837 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596381467 580855 :MDude!~MDude@74.5.140.76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1596381638 197628 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1596382098 656600 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596383037 743656 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596383258 8215 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1596383258 262479 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1596385992 151532 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: OK, although I just mentioned what someone else said, whether or not it is any good. < 1596386037 796803 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, although I thought I remembered seeing that Unix was designed with using with terminals having keys for both carriage return and line feed, but either one would do in many cases. < 1596386180 552256 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596386218 62088 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and some keyboards have backspace so you don't have to press shift-left-arrow to go left one position then delete to delete a character. what luxury! < 1596386655 709228 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the road to anarchy. < 1596386818 786424 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 26 letters, 10 digits, a space bar, and three modifiers, on a cheap foil keyboard, where you have to wait for the cpu to process your previous key to press the next one. who needs backspace? < 1596390058 281740 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1596390349 549440 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ccad:82f4:31a5:ba55 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596391818 781397 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:8a0:d6d7:e084:baa5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596391982 739679 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596392948 569834 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the ideas I posted before about a role playing game and do you have some further ideas? < 1596393928 130845 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1596395970 228176 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596396765 556829 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Quit: Just put a quit message down and we'll change it later. Seriously Kevin, just goddamn put something. No, not what I just said. A quit message ffs < 1596397155 340084 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric > 1596399685 46582 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Nicerobot 5* 10New user account < 1596399887 646852 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: did you know that 2.5937424601^2.85311670611 = 2.85311670611^2.5937424601? < 1596399887 792587 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and the channel wasn't active > 1596400055 117857 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76399&oldid=76385 5* 03Nicerobot 5* (+126) 10Introduction > 1596400065 947179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Nicerobot14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76400 5* 03Nicerobot 5* (+5) 10Created page with "Nice!" < 1596400366 20650 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, there's like a whole one-parameter solution for that thing < 1596400404 333478 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah that's what I've (re-)discovered, and been playing with. < 1596400422 42723 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found this one cute because despite the use of decimal points it's exact. < 1596400432 143549 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh < 1596400463 22837 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = (1+1/k)^k, b = (1+1/k)^(k+1) (note the connection to e) satisfy a^b = b^a; I took k=10. < 1596400500 659117 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1596400641 193238 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus: k must be an integer (which we can take to be positive) for both a and b to be rational. < 1596401604 116220 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1596401658 27985 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1596401804 623443 :AidanBaidicoot!~AidanBaid@cpc85744-newc19-2-0-cust224.16-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596401815 708565 :AidanBaidicoot!~AidanBaid@cpc85744-newc19-2-0-cust224.16-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1596401855 154809 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome AidanBaidicoot < 1596401857 96899 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09AidanBaidicoot: 02Welcome 06to 13the 04international 07hub 08for 09esoteric 02programming 06language 13design 04and 07deployment! 08For 09more 02information, 06check 13out 04our 07wiki: 08. 09(For 02the 06other 13kind 04of 07esoterica, 08try 09#esoteric 02on 06EFnet 13or 04DALnet.) < 1596401914 435800 :AidanBaidicoot!~AidanBaid@cpc85744-newc19-2-0-cust224.16-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been here before I was just checking if anyone from the esolangs discord was here yet. the admin is being annoying and so we are testing out a move < 1596401983 720030 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? discord < 1596401985 446870 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :The unofficial Esolangs and code golf Discord server: https://discord.gg/3UXSK5p < 1596401986 185447 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one? < 1596402017 49257 :AidanBaidicoot!~AidanBaid@cpc85744-newc19-2-0-cust224.16-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1596402021 45207 :Anima!4d95aaad@173.170.149.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1596402031 26518 :Sinthorion!54389b8e@dslb-084-056-155-142.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1596402050 125814 :osmarks!~osmarks@2a00:23c7:5415:d300:c5b6:68c5:de34:b3b4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596402066 404097 :osmarks!~osmarks@2a00:23c7:5415:d300:c5b6:68c5:de34:b3b4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :greetings, apioids. < 1596402074 367994 :AidanBaidicoot!~AidanBaid@cpc85744-newc19-2-0-cust224.16-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :greetings < 1596402085 179086 :osmarks!~osmarks@2a00:23c7:5415:d300:c5b6:68c5:de34:b3b4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, palaiologos runs this? Hmmm. < 1596402106 345669 :AidanBaidicoot!~AidanBaid@cpc85744-newc19-2-0-cust224.16-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think she does but idk. she keeps logs afaik < 1596402134 145896 :Sinthorion!54389b8e@dslb-084-056-155-142.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about IRC. Do channels have a single "owner"? < 1596402139 527401 :osmarks!~osmarks@2a00:23c7:5415:d300:c5b6:68c5:de34:b3b4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1596402174 141271 :AidanBaidicoot!~AidanBaid@cpc85744-newc19-2-0-cust224.16-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, there was someone who kept logs, who were they? < 1596402195 994723 :osmarks!~osmarks@2a00:23c7:5415:d300:c5b6:68c5:de34:b3b4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esolangs website has logs. < 1596402196 500340 :Sinthorion!54389b8e@dslb-084-056-155-142.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :palaiologos once said she keeps logs < 1596402198 380163 :osmarks!~osmarks@2a00:23c7:5415:d300:c5b6:68c5:de34:b3b4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says so in the topic. < 1596402203 883367 :osmarks!~osmarks@2a00:23c7:5415:d300:c5b6:68c5:de34:b3b4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my crawler found them by accident. < 1596402221 217176 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :osmarks: no, palaiologos is one of the three people who keeps logs < 1596402224 471022 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? logs < 1596402226 148406 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric channel logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ https://github.com/KrzysztofSzewczyk/esologs/ < 1596402232 570916 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ three of those are active, one is historical only < 1596402266 384574 :AidanBaidicoot!~AidanBaid@cpc85744-newc19-2-0-cust224.16-2.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, thank you. < 1596402315 104271 :osmarks!~osmarks@2a00:23c7:5415:d300:c5b6:68c5:de34:b3b4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. < 1596402366 307618 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some people (such as myself) do not like Discord, and IRC is better. As for who owns it, whether or not that is the case can depend on the IRC server and on the channel registration; Freenode has channel registration, so you can examine it using the CS command (try CS HELP for help about how to do it). < 1596402563 365537 :Sinthorion!54389b8e@dslb-084-056-155-142.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discord and IRC are fundamentally different and hard to compare. < 1596402586 184810 :Sinthorion!54389b8e@dslb-084-056-155-142.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discord has tons of features I like that IRC lacks < 1596402612 528544 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some cases, it is true, in some cases, people think so but actually it isn't true. < 1596402628 891485 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because IRC is a tool, Discord is a framework. we're unix guys, we like tools. < 1596402633 807804 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :tools that do one thing. < 1596402895 910672 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the one hand, IRC is a network protocol designed in 1989 and it shows. < 1596402909 754186 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, IRC is a network protocol designed in 1989 and it shows. < 1596402930 470475 :Sinthorion!54389b8e@dslb-084-056-155-142.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1596402942 62277 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find me a programmer with one hand! < 1596402944 544850 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC can be used even without the IRC software (although, use of IRC software is helpful) < 1596402956 323693 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has done so, in fact < 1596402964 272334 :Sinthorion!54389b8e@dslb-084-056-155-142.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by IRC software? < 1596402968 605978 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many PONGs < 1596402972 277868 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1596403017 66941 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means the protocol is simple enough for client side and made of mostly stuff that is optional for clients, so you can implement your own software < 1596403025 10867 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :An IRC client that speaks the IRC protocol so you don't have to worry about the commands (like "PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much text") < 1596403054 833531 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, PONG is one reason why IRC software is helpful, since if you do not have it, then you would have to write PONG manually instead. < 1596403089 390339 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Separating messages by target is also very helpful. So... yes, you *can* use netcat but it's not fun at all. < 1596403159 191379 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what hole? < 1596403180 508585 :Sinthorion!54389b8e@dslb-084-056-155-142.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't you *technically* use Discord with a custom client the same way? It's not an open protocol, so you'd have to reverse engineer it. Or use the public API which might have somewhat reduced functionality. < 1596403181 525365 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just walk < 1596403190 760668 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, wrong channel again < 1596403205 196484 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sinthorion: perhaps you could, but it's much more complicated < 1596403222 980952 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :And unlike with IRC, not an intended property of how things work < 1596403244 783265 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a decision with upsides and downsides both. < 1596403259 134076 :Sinthorion!54389b8e@dslb-084-056-155-142.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1596403286 252460 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although Discord is complicated and proprietary, and is only a single company, and other problems, and still needs some client software; IRC can be used even without any client software. < 1596403448 387346 :Sinthorion!54389b8e@dslb-084-056-155-142.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen an IRC channel not on Freenode. So while technically it can be hosted by any organisation, the fact is that everyone still uses the same. < 1596403481 525962 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen other IRC networks, but mostly Freenode. < 1596403632 377869 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen more IRC channels on freenode than on the dozen or so other IRC networks that I ever joined taken all together < 1596403653 427268 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, same with me < 1596403676 502164 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I currently have no IRC service in my computer, but I do have a NNTP server, and implemented a nonstandard command for convenience of people who are not using NNTP software, too. < 1596403777 969471 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because, I think that IRC and NNTP are much better than many of the more modern stuff.) < 1596403779 697930 :osmarks!~osmarks@2a00:23c7:5415:d300:c5b6:68c5:de34:b3b4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NNTP? Isn't that usenet? < 1596403784 666703 :osmarks!~osmarks@2a00:23c7:5415:d300:c5b6:68c5:de34:b3b4 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. very ancient? < 1596403795 525369 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently on 3 distinct IRC networks. < 1596403821 74356 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :osmarks: Yes, although it is still in use, and improvements have been made since the original version. < 1596403849 492063 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, I may be responsible for increasing the article numbers from 31-bits to 63-bits.) < 1596403892 925832 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like how IRC gets a lot of new optional features all the time too < 1596403910 959302 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose so. < 1596403954 395273 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the good part is that they're all optional so you can support only the ones you want on your client < 1596403964 732515 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bad part is that many of them differ from network to network < 1596403972 308850 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, is good that it is optional. < 1596404062 95331 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the server often includes help files, and commands can be entered manually, so it isn't too much problem. < 1596404144 230105 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-clfptxdaujhcobju PRIVMSG #esoteric :tradeoffs! < 1596405168 139466 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly the help file doesn't tell about everything < 1596405181 599170 :spirulina!6db636d5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.182.54.213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596405195 668788 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the other stuff will be mentioned in the RFC < 1596405345 471140 :spirulina!6db636d5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.182.54.213 PART :#esoteric < 1596405870 931397 :Anima!4d95aaad@173.170.149.77.rev.sfr.net PART :#esoteric < 1596405871 183228 :AidanBaidicoot!~AidanBaid@cpc85744-newc19-2-0-cust224.16-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1596406453 444973 :Cale_!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:8a0:d6d7:e084:baa5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596407325 391764 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596407476 926357 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1596407863 875349 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1596407882 472314 :Cale_!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:8a0:d6d7:e084:baa5 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1596407902 970371 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:8a0:d6d7:e084:baa5 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596407924 447214 :Cale!~cale@2607:fea8:9940:7ed:8a0:d6d7:e084:baa5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596408063 488264 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ccad:82f4:31a5:ba55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1596408401 20863 :Sinthorion!54389b8e@dslb-084-056-155-142.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1596409447 374613 :osmarks!~osmarks@2a00:23c7:5415:d300:c5b6:68c5:de34:b3b4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1596409924 926408 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1596410060 150909 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1596412164 638544 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76401&oldid=76399 5* 03TheCoderPro 5* (+265) 10/* Introductions */ > 1596412363 998720 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NoRAL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76402&oldid=57291 5* 03TheCoderPro 5* (+121) 10/* The Instruction set */ > 1596412533 995365 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NoRAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76403&oldid=76402 5* 03TheCoderPro 5* (+390) 10/* The Instruction set */ > 1596412586 722126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NoRAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76404&oldid=76403 5* 03TheCoderPro 5* (+6) 10/* The Instruction set */ > 1596412610 507211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NoRAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76405&oldid=76404 5* 03TheCoderPro 5* (+5) 10/* The Instruction set */ > 1596412632 32629 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NoRAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76406&oldid=76405 5* 03TheCoderPro 5* (+5) 10/* The Instruction set */ > 1596412682 109364 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NoRAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76407&oldid=76406 5* 03TheCoderPro 5* (+101) 10/* The Instruction set */