< 1597190452 756883 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fibgouyioygerxzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :thblt: What do you mean by "impossible to implement any algorithm under any finite memory amount"? < 1597190471 289644 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fibgouyioygerxzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean make it so that all algorithms require an infinite amount of memory? < 1597190516 173863 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fibgouyioygerxzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean make it so that there's a particular amount of memory such that if less than that much memory is available, no algorithms can be implemented? < 1597190547 658123 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fibgouyioygerxzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean make it so that there's a particular amount of memory such that if an algorithm requires less than that much memory, then it cannot be implemented? < 1597190822 914078 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fibgouyioygerxzk PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing you meant the first of those. < 1597193509 933683 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1597193618 215559 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1597198090 583572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1597198171 199173 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ejhnivfcrhwvfqgi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1597198491 764123 :shinh___!~i@39.110.229.193 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1597198522 158420 :shinh___!~i@om126133233183.21.openmobile.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1597198571 562498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1597201893 277125 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1597204957 425967 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1597205809 324328 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1597205915 574390 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1597205916 80553 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1597208340 917427 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1597214884 344767 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1597215041 89411 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Full Stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76607&oldid=76606 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+233) 10 < 1597216055 547065 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1597217874 699195 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1597218001 861911 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1597218385 917085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1597219632 976469 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.147.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1597220079 348897 :thblt!~thblt@unaffiliated/thblt PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett[m]: something like that, it's not very clear to me. I just had the idea that it could be possible to play with the “infinite memory” hypothesis by making a langage that only actually works on infinite memory. < 1597220546 182762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1597221062 61389 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c JOIN :#esoteric < 1597221081 15402 :d3pp!~d3pp@2600:1700:1850:8d40::2c QUIT :Client Quit > 1597221184 767734 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76608&oldid=76451 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+18) 10/* See Also */ < 1597223140 955025 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xoxpussdzlztkiix QUIT :Quit: killed < 1597223143 314944 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fibgouyioygerxzk QUIT :Quit: killed < 1597223332 926207 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1597223505 716088 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1597223641 160109 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-233.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1597223663 929003 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-upbryisukhedawap JOIN :#esoteric < 1597225550 230457 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xyafxfjmybgfrmax JOIN :#esoteric < 1597227675 911491 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.69 JOIN :#esoteric > 1597229975 608522 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Programs14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76609 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+1975) 10Created page with "{{Back|1+}} This page provide links to most, if not all, 1+ programs ever written, excluding the example programs on the [[1+]] page. == CGCC == From oldest to newest. Thes..." > 1597229990 865536 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Programs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76610&oldid=76609 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-206) 10/* CGCC */ > 1597230272 181891 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07APL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76611&oldid=75941 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+32) 10 < 1597233108 579029 :d34db33f!~u@5.248.112.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1597233124 268018 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1597233146 613970 :d34db33f!~u@5.248.112.57 PART :#esoteric < 1597233156 551545 :d34db33f!~u@5.248.112.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1597239213 637339 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1597239216 685024 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1597239346 588448 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Programs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76612&oldid=76610 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+162) 10/* CGCC */ < 1597239965 213800 :d34db33f!~u@5.248.112.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1597240464 58825 :duckologist!4e945aa0@host-78-148-90-160.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1597240495 490896 :duckologist!4e945aa0@host-78-148-90-160.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1597241687 887377 :duckologist!4e945aa0@host-78-148-90-160.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1597241852 43456 :duckologist!4e945aa0@host-78-148-90-160.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1597243266 678032 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Trueclone14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76613&oldid=76580 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+0) 10fixed title > 1597243316 416565 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Computerdeutsch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76614&oldid=76602 5* 03Orangeyy 5* (-25) 10 > 1597243407 423942 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Computerdeutsch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76615&oldid=76614 5* 03Orangeyy 5* (+10) 10/* Logical operators = */ < 1597243784 156007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1597244133 287886 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1597244932 604774 :duckologist!4e945aa0@host-78-148-90-160.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1597245394 578955 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Code is eso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76616&oldid=75794 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-91) 10 > 1597245477 789323 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Trueclone14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76617&oldid=76613 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-180) 10 > 1597245877 388400 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mornington Crescent14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76618&oldid=47057 5* 03LegionMammal978 5* (+0) 10/* Interpreters */ fixed capitalization > 1597246107 285972 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Swearjure14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76619&oldid=73439 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (+9) 10 > 1597246135 279128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Swearjure14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76620&oldid=76619 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-9) 10 < 1597246276 857472 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rukqtknreokojehc JOIN :#esoteric > 1597247004 219385 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-ASM:814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76621&oldid=75793 5* 03DmilkaSTD 5* (-1026) 10 < 1597248190 948541 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.147.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1597249191 176541 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1597249253 984572 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1597250083 828772 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1597250214 225087 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1597250938 879725 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.147.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1597251046 776540 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-agzdvqwfwtwdbbnz JOIN :#esoteric < 1597252679 326793 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1597253418 162864 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1597253633 3170 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733242619567800383/743142414352515142/unknown.png < 1597253635 231766 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another lisp session < 1597253638 262044 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time printing a factorial < 1597253654 129975 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.69 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm going to try something more complex; most probably some sort of a sort (lol) < 1597253790 557775 :tromp_!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1597253824 897598 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cliff L. Biffle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76622&oldid=66848 5* 03Lucas 5* (-34) 10update personal website links < 1597254071 575620 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-124.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1597254072 985183 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1597254444 553020 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:c59a:56b3:99df:6eb7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1597254448 724872 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.69 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1597254470 288002 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.69 JOIN :#esoteric > 1597254670 476310 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asm2bf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76623&oldid=76204 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (-4) 10link revival > 1597254751 54920 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MalbolgeLisp14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76624 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+890) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=MalbolgeLisp |paradigms=imperative |author=[[User:Palaiologos|Palaiologos]] |year=[[:Category:2020|2020]] |memsys=list |class=Turing-complete|Turing..." > 1597254761 89626 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MalbolgeLisp14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76625&oldid=76624 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (-42) 10 < 1597255599 637765 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:c59a:56b3:99df:6eb7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1597256000 457415 :dnm_!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvmxoeoxmkzytvkf JOIN :#esoteric < 1597256090 789771 :SoniEx2!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1597256182 777504 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:c59a:56b3:99df:6eb7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1597256361 569787 :olsner_!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1597256433 904887 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1597256434 107429 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iptpnvankwxyyxlp QUIT :*.net *.split < 1597256434 261012 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1597256438 784714 :dnm_!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvmxoeoxmkzytvkf NICK :dnm < 1597256490 167006 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-upbryisukhedawap QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1597256491 568550 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xyafxfjmybgfrmax QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1597256936 134936 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-hpzxlpfyjrdmebes JOIN :#esoteric > 1597257485 791191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Computerdeutsch14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76626&oldid=76615 5* 03Orangeyy 5* (+1718) 10Computerdeutsch is an esolang based on the grammar and vocabulary of the German language. < 1597257499 17334 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:c59a:56b3:99df:6eb7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1597257591 292873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Orangeyy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76627&oldid=76424 5* 03Orangeyy 5* (+95) 10 > 1597257620 423815 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Orangeyy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76628&oldid=76627 5* 03Orangeyy 5* (+2) 10 > 1597257645 484136 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EWagon14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76629&oldid=60164 5* 03Orangeyy 5* (-5) 10 < 1597258872 387024 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-imxxwvmhptdzookn JOIN :#esoteric < 1597258972 881420 :SoniEx2!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 NICK :Soni < 1597259415 516227 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:c59a:56b3:99df:6eb7 JOIN :#esoteric > 1597259539 989409 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Computerdeutsch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76630&oldid=76626 5* 03Orangeyy 5* (+1891) 10 > 1597259608 935375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76631&oldid=76572 5* 03Orangeyy 5* (+22) 10 > 1597259784 958988 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Computerdeutsch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76632&oldid=76630 5* 03Orangeyy 5* (+4) 10/* Loop */ < 1597259960 784324 :olsner_!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se NICK :olsner > 1597260080 161897 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Computerdeutsch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76633&oldid=76632 5* 03Orangeyy 5* (+232) 10 < 1597261134 546324 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:c59a:56b3:99df:6eb7 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1597261276 72985 :uplime!nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers QUIT :Quit: so long and thanks for all the fish > 1597262075 14317 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bitter14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76634&oldid=61387 5* 03DMC 5* (+335) 10add an explanation showing how to use Bitter < 1597262863 38385 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:e6:2616:f638:7436 JOIN :#esoteric < 1597262917 7994 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1597263298 614477 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.69 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1597263553 712613 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:e6:2616:f638:7436 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1597263914 548035 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-agzdvqwfwtwdbbnz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1597263918 345102 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:e6:2616:f638:7436 JOIN :#esoteric < 1597265123 994139 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1597266341 999946 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1597267561 917274 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1597267746 745026 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1597268758 615108 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.147.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it so hard to write a CV even when a friend helps with it at a highest degree and guides you with various questions and suggestions? < 1597268790 97193 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.147.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I’m not sure that it will come to something useful at all < 1597268814 487983 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:e6:2616:f638:7436 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1597268873 944945 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1597268911 717446 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.147.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an exit when all pet projects you have are written to be seen only by yourself and usually even not finished to be compilable (not always but often) < 1597269136 78847 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.147.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a sun when essentially all you know you do despite—not thanks to—education which is also unfinished, and you have no geographically local peers in these matters to compare your achievements to and something something < 1597269137 380164 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.147.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1597269158 290678 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-124.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: get a job where you can write pet projects useful for work < 1597269179 734174 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.147.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yeah but that requires a CV usually? < 1597269180 404044 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-124.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, writing a CV is high < 1597269195 549105 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-124.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/high/hard/ < 1597269206 774070 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-124.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as are all the other things associated with getting a job < 1597269209 263966 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.147.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I also should be high to succesfully write it without too much pain :D < 1597269326 236657 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.147.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : as are all the other things associated with getting a job => I don’t think all of them are. I presume making yourself known to potential employers is tedious but that should be more or less mechanical instead of mind-numbing < 1597269381 929085 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-124.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really making yourself known, but doing the interviews right and all that < 1597269468 697235 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.147.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll better not think about this aspect for now or I’ll bail out again < 1597270673 702230 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.147.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a long addendum but I bet this isn’t a therapy channel so I better keep it for myself < 1597271085 235123 :shinh___!~i@om126133233183.21.openmobile.ne.jp QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1597271779 743189 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-104-154.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1597272412 98907 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1597272489 489153 :mmmattyx!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jmrhtbnqidlrwjwv JOIN :#esoteric < 1597274033 965923 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1597275049 952889 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.226.147.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1597275501 966084 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1597276277 30624 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Full Stack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76635&oldid=76607 5* 03Challenger5 5* (+12) 10