< 1598235246 319604 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: ... < 1598236243 881081 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1598237326 326083 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: ... < 1598237372 935630 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1598237441 645026 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1598239449 207631 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1598240412 224167 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1598240749 961007 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1598240767 927533 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1598241056 311174 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1598243000 991198 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1598243696 56580 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1598243696 305479 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598243775 847358 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1598244316 615239 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1598248024 99577 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1598248137 944726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598248227 891677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1598248240 32774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598248836 200871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1598248861 869705 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1598251865 192587 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1598253346 556466 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.7.2+deb3 - https://znc.in < 1598253378 923892 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1598254289 575105 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1598254362 224815 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1598254754 381644 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esoteric < 1598255977 992319 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1598256008 901865 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598256645 244192 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1598256743 857813 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1598257515 260779 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-168.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1598259662 234885 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.37.134.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1598261162 175497 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-146.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1598261184 435107 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-146.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning < 1598261212 114782 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball is it a good morning? < 1598261212 234291 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1598261223 724452 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-146.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mistake. < 1598261252 608572 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't decide whether I'm lucky or unlucky here :P < 1598261324 183745 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/ morning! < 1598261364 367199 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you pronounce "o/"? < 1598261373 575635 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball is it a o/ morning? < 1598261373 695115 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1598261376 867499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^8ball is it an o/ morning? < 1598261376 984894 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1598261383 554422 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah it doesn't matter. Phew :) < 1598261435 969481 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Can you dance for us? < 1598261436 209352 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: you didn't have to insert ( values x) and ( b) > 1598263016 64239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76831&oldid=76827 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-1) 10Golfed the truth-machine a bit. > 1598263620 936641 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76832&oldid=76307 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+44) 10New language! < 1598264144 426015 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1598264897 198189 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76833&oldid=76831 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+4) 10br tag! < 1598266091 799855 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598266465 559579 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1598266641 670489 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76834&oldid=76833 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+22) 10Added some links. < 1598267541 901697 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-146.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The use of the word "infinite" in phrases like "infinite loop" and "infinite list" seems a bit... uninformative. These are definitely on the "potentially infinite" side of things, not the "completed infinity" side of things. How about "ω-loop", "ω-list", how d'you like those. < 1598267581 13593 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by completed infinity < 1598267746 733306 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-146.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I mean what is conventionally meant by the phrase when mathematicians use it conventionally < 1598267801 285847 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never heard that phrase < 1598267860 85425 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-146.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia's article on it is called "Actual infinity", which might be the more common phrase, but I've heard both < 1598267947 944209 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that page explicitly names natural numbers. and an infinite list is pretty easily injectively mappable onto those < 1598268007 273096 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-146.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One can certainly regard the naturals as potentially infinite, can't one? < 1598268051 918095 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get what point this definition is trying to make. are countable infinities "actual" or not? if so, why not when N is? < 1598268297 161330 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-146.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if one talks about "countable infinities", presumably versus "uncountable infinities", one has, like Cantor, already concluded they're "actual". < 1598268308 178107 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be called a non-terminating loop < 1598268313 898431 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not infinite, but it does not stop < 1598268324 491864 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually it will stop, but only in practice not in theory) < 1598268514 774629 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "infinite loop" is a bit of a misnomer... < 1598268761 166405 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-146.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really see how "infinite list" would still be acceptable terminology if "infinite loop" isn't, though. The list is not infinite, it just does not end. < 1598268868 321998 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-146.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the other way around, you could easily have an infinite list of successive configurations of an executing Turing machine; if that list is "really infinite" then the loop that the TM is in is "really infinite" too. > 1598268925 993520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:OsmineYT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76835&oldid=76765 5* 03OsmineYT 5* (-22) 10 > 1598268988 344011 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03OsmineYT 5* 10moved [[02User:OsmineYT10]] to [[User:Osminee]]: "Changed" nickname > 1598268988 418577 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03OsmineYT 5* 10moved [[02User talk:OsmineYT10]] to [[User talk:Osminee]]: "Changed" nickname > 1598269136 298520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03OsmineYT 5* 10moved [[02User:Osminee10]] to [[User:OsmineYT]] over redirect: Undid previous move operation > 1598269136 452684 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03OsmineYT 5* 10moved [[02User talk:Osminee10]] to [[User talk:OsmineYT]] over redirect: Undid previous move operation > 1598269136 460974 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete_redir10 02 5* 03OsmineYT 5* 10OsmineYT deleted redirect [[02User:OsmineYT10]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[User:Osminee]]" > 1598269136 467021 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete_redir10 02 5* 03OsmineYT 5* 10OsmineYT deleted redirect [[02User talk:OsmineYT10]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[User talk:Osminee]]" > 1598270292 654396 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76844&oldid=76834 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-20) 10/* Syntax */ This is confusing. < 1598270317 999779 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-146.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: Lunch. > 1598270672 251623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76845&oldid=76844 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+1) 10/* Hello world */ > 1598270858 728286 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76846&oldid=76845 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+26) 10/* Syntax */ < 1598271830 666595 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1598272999 795190 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1598273014 948320 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1598273032 560943 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76847&oldid=76846 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+65) 10A note > 1598273050 845842 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76848&oldid=76847 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+1) 10. > 1598273476 492742 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76849&oldid=76848 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-23) 10/* Even or odd */ Golfed < 1598274282 980898 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-248-90.host.pobb.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1598275801 269400 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76850&oldid=76849 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-10) 10/* Even or odd */ Forgot... > 1598276131 277251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76851&oldid=76850 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-4) 10/* Snippets */ Improved < 1598277116 664068 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24257630 ppcg's collaborative polyglot of 200+ langs got posted to hn > 1598277424 659035 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Masldobehere14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76852&oldid=76820 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-29) 10 > 1598277522 134121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76853&oldid=76851 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-8) 10Replaced a snippet with a better variant (Thanks, TwilightSparkle) < 1598277899 775118 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1598277982 906661 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1598278128 346233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76854&oldid=76853 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+169) 10/* LOLOL */ < 1598279391 230760 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1598279760 33426 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76855&oldid=76854 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-43) 10/* Snippets */ > 1598279815 518207 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76856&oldid=76855 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-5) 10/* Even or odd */ < 1598280376 472172 :Melvar!~melvar@dslc-082-082-054-030.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1598280434 985480 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-248-90.host.pobb.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1598280762 899452 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-248-90.host.pobb.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1598280949 57171 :Melvar!~melvar@dslc-082-082-054-030.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1598281687 677733 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1598281931 947599 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric > 1598282054 504802 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76857&oldid=76856 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-6) 10The not gate can be shorter! > 1598282507 722280 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76858&oldid=76857 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-1) 10Golfed the parity program a tiny bit more. < 1598282546 164021 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1598282547 397207 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1598282562 718681 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ehalaboapnkcudvc QUIT :*.net *.split < 1598282562 868905 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gnkvprqbfbnxuykp QUIT :*.net *.split < 1598282562 985974 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryhptfjhruxocndj QUIT :*.net *.split < 1598282563 101354 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1598282563 357701 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :*.net *.split < 1598282563 460653 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aduggknuxskguxam QUIT :*.net *.split < 1598282564 910258 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cpmpjjwutfkmyahj QUIT :*.net *.split > 1598282625 836507 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76859&oldid=76858 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+57) 10Clarification > 1598282686 710375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76860&oldid=76859 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-1) 10Tiny mistake! :P < 1598283135 413799 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1598283237 321853 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ehalaboapnkcudvc JOIN :#esoteric < 1598283237 321911 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gnkvprqbfbnxuykp JOIN :#esoteric < 1598283237 321923 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ryhptfjhruxocndj JOIN :#esoteric < 1598283237 322055 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1598283250 499296 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esoteric < 1598283250 499354 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aduggknuxskguxam JOIN :#esoteric < 1598283250 499361 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cpmpjjwutfkmyahj JOIN :#esoteric < 1598283405 233729 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1598283590 860153 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1598285001 563601 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-248-90.host.pobb.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1598285997 551133 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598286020 725695 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1598287006 577669 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598287065 257744 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1598287181 15273 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1598287862 236272 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1598288515 328394 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck code generation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76861&oldid=67106 5* 03Masldobehere 5* (+40) 10added STBF to Languages that compile to BF < 1598289689 497926 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598290540 909727 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1598290605 845403 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1598290967 938511 :craigo!~craigo@144.136.206.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598291164 365643 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-143.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1598291188 884391 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Quit: Hugs~ <3 < 1598291396 650271 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric > 1598292590 179999 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Zdrmonster1 5* 10New user account > 1598292757 207763 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76862&oldid=76814 5* 03Zdrmonster1 5* (+274) 10 < 1598292930 540108 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-143.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1212 < 1598292932 565776 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1212.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas > 1598293241 261956 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brotlipython14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76863&oldid=76524 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+21) 10add .py.br extension < 1598295245 801826 :kritixil1!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1598295343 886256 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1598295761 428935 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76864&oldid=75835 5* 03Zdrmonster1 5* (+69) 10 < 1598295932 699335 :kritixil1!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1598296034 264689 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1598296070 353436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1598296156 835309 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DirectBrainFUCK14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=76865 5* 03Zdrmonster1 5* (+568) 10Created page with "'''DirectBrainFUCK''' is a BF like programming language, but you can directly move the pointer.
However, the number of cells has to be limited to either 64 or (if some int..." > 1598296182 411849 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DirectBrainFUCK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76866&oldid=76865 5* 03Zdrmonster1 5* (+12) 10 > 1598296422 925587 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DirectBrainFUCK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76867&oldid=76866 5* 03Zdrmonster1 5* (-41) 10 > 1598296508 663824 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DirectBrainFUCK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76868&oldid=76867 5* 03Zdrmonster1 5* (+7) 10 > 1598296546 18978 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DirectBrainFUCK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76869&oldid=76868 5* 03Zdrmonster1 5* (+3) 10 > 1598296633 883034 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DirectBrainFUCK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76870&oldid=76869 5* 03Zdrmonster1 5* (+28) 10 > 1598296732 507442 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DirectBrainFUCK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76871&oldid=76870 5* 03Zdrmonster1 5* (+0) 10 > 1598296741 903167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DirectBrainFUCK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76872&oldid=76871 5* 03Zdrmonster1 5* (+0) 10 > 1598296749 272455 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DirectBrainFUCK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76873&oldid=76872 5* 03Zdrmonster1 5* (+1) 10 > 1598296841 369213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DirectBrainFUCK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76874&oldid=76873 5* 03Zdrmonster1 5* (+27) 10 > 1598296863 915639 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DirectBrainFUCK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=76875&oldid=76874 5* 03Zdrmonster1 5* (+8) 10 < 1598297822 919692 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1598297846 640367 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598299935 275620 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.69 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1598301274 160074 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-143.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? amount < 1598301275 786945 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :amount? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1598301293 66369 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-143.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if that's some variant of mount and umount < 1598301314 385132 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-143.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like a syscall name that does something related to mount points < 1598301843 937595 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.37.134.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :the famous WinAPI functions MountA and MountW from kernel32.dll < 1598301949 2555 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.37.134.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also GetMountainRangeEnumeratorEx^W^W^W < 1598303037 37584 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think those functions exist, not because MountA and MountW don't fit Windows naming style, < 1598303045 819927 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but because such a function would be too simple for Windows < 1598303084 470774 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the difference between the Windows memory-mapping API versus the Unix memory-mapping API to understand what I mean by that < 1598303711 975539 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-143.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :t20kdc: they don't fit current naming conventions, but some very old functions in winapi have bad names inherited from windows 16 api, the worst offenders being graphics primitives like Arc, Chord, Ellipse, Escape, Pie, Polygon, Rectangle: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/wingdi/ < 1598303753 306331 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: to be clear, MountA/MountW do fit the naming conventions I've seen so far < 1598303802 541892 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-143.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've narrowly avoided having a function called "Bar", that was actually used in some very old graphics libraries for I think filled rectangles < 1598303864 576647 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-143.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also Beep https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/utilapiset/nf-utilapiset-beep < 1598304015 631016 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of this stuff feels relatively mundane in comparison to CreateFileMappingA, which doesn't actually memory-map a file, it merely creates an intermediate, useless object < 1598304091 744714 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-143.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on linux, the shutdown system call doesn't shut down the computer or has anything to do with that, to shut down the computer the final step is the reboot system call < 1598304157 434663 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be clear: CreateFileMappingA isn't useless in that it isn't a part of mapping a file - it is, in fact a mandatory one < 1598304203 473921 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-143.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric : shutdown is also not useless < 1598304210 217436 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the useless part is that it basically involves repeating the information you then have to give - with the file mapping object - to MapViewOfFile < 1598304237 518396 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the mmap-equivalent is a 2-step process which involves CreateFileMappingA, then MapViewOfFile < 1598304260 759213 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, shutdown(2) and shutdown(8) are unrelated < 1598304344 843615 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for shutdown... I wonder if the reason Windows adopted the BSD sockets API was because it was sufficiently over-complicated < 1598304376 141959 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-143.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at one point I mentioned that on linux, you open and possibly create a file with the open syscall, the creat syscall also does that but it's obsolete and should never be used; on windows you open and possibly create a file with the CreateFile syscall or its variants, the OpenFile syscall also used to do that but it's obsolete and should never be used. < 1598304582 840610 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ah, yes, I can tell that OpenFile should never be used, because it's actually a relatively simple function (but has some name length issues) < 1598304674 19190 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks at CreateFile and I can tell that this is Microsoft-recommended because it has... way too many parameters (though see CreateFile2 which has less of them, but is also Windows 8+) < 1598306308 993168 :LKoen_!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1598306439 565907 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1598307856 747726 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.37.134.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :t20kdc: hehe a neat heuristic < 1598307895 956577 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.37.134.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn’t know, I mostly saw WinAPI function names a while ago and rarely < 1598307916 926072 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I occasionally have to interact with the Windows API when porting stuff < 1598307946 99109 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, accounting for the things SDL2 successfully paves over, there are two APIs that one has to deal with: Not-Windows and Windows < 1598308834 179829 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.37.134.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1598310036 594156 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1598310070 385849 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1598310096 972609 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1598310266 366402 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use #ifdef if needed, as well as making your own compatibility layers, or writing for Windows and using Wine to run it on Linux, or writing for Linux and using WSL to run it on Windows, or using a kind of VM code, are some possibilities. Which is suitable depends on the program being written, I think. < 1598310518 820858 :LKoen_!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1598312538 524129 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any version of SDL have a environment variable for auto zoom? < 1598312706 189156 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The list of environment variables for SDL 1.2.15 doesn't mention any such thing < 1598313466 497921 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection