< 1599091592 199129 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeb finds screw attack < 1599091599 322283 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, wrong channel < 1599092071 832092 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a profile of a bintrees benchmark: https://pastebin.com/tLEpdApj < 1599092116 688168 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different kind of thing good for a different purpose of programming language, depending what DSL you are making, I think. < 1599092269 827820 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah. I won't claim you should always choose this as a solution. And certainly not at the moment. But could be nice. < 1599092398 652548 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe sometimes; I don't know. < 1599092501 464114 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, ah well, dreams. THere's a good chance I'll declare it beta, shelf it, and sit on it for another year. It isn't supposed to be work. < 1599092727 836412 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I just invent my own DSL for the specific use of something, and other times won't need a DSL, due to something else being available, etc. < 1599092804 9522 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GG < 1599092816 891423 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. I do recommend anyone Lua/Lisp/Python over Egel at the moment. But the last time I tried to compare Egel to Python, the latter ran out of stack space after 900 recursive calls. < 1599092833 892410 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, there just might be a case. Sluggish, but robust. < 1599092929 658342 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :grapple below croc, bombs at croc, high jump at croc! < 1599092939 866166 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, wrong channel still < 1599092941 913749 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1599093053 27999 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599093055 890577 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599093084 19059 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599093206 289452 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sgdq or something? I see super metroid. < 1599093235 689741 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: not SGDQ, that has ended already < 1599093257 737149 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, super metroid < 1599093284 783459 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a super metroid race I don't know about. < 1599093456 58327 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: an exhibition match of super metroid randomizer accessible (SMRAT) between the winners of the two brackets of the tournament < 1599093465 124086 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on twitch channel Speedrunnersarena < 1599093472 145696 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :third match of best of five starting soon < 1599094114 560990 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1599094184 223663 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recently, for doing some calculations I am using JavaScript code. Know that you can write something like const {abs,max,min,sqrt}=Math; in order to put some functions in the scope to avoid needing the prefix each time. (For some reason, I only thought to start doing that recently.) < 1599094225 351267 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, specifically in Node.js, you can write something like: module.exports[require("util").inspect.custom]=()=>`documentation goes here` in case you want documentation displayed when a module is imported into the REPL. < 1599094243 15518 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, I believe JS is a pretty good language. < 1599094272 957446 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a lot of languages allow that. in C++, using std::abs; using std::min; using std::max; using std::sqrt; in python it's from math import sqrt; (the other three are in the prelude); etc < 1599094295 958839 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. There are some features I dislike (such as automatic semicolon insertion), but it is mostly good, I think. < 1599094302 721996 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pull in symbols from other packages in rust too < 1599094344 102062 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPEEED < 1599094477 34568 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing I don't like about JS is the amount of typing you need to do sometimes. But I'll wager they already fixed that. < 1599094478 363369 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599094567 77608 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, JS has lambdas. < 1599094698 541406 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is good some of the newer things they have added, such as typed arrays, arrow functions, generator functions, and integers. < 1599094751 663640 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. https://z-pattern-matching.github.io/ < 1599095040 970141 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1599095306 214650 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I read that the implementation of integers requires the left and right operands of many operators to be of the same type (floating or integers); I think that it should not be required for the bit shifting operators (using the type of the left operand as the result type in these cases, instead). Also, last time I checked, there wasn't functions for ctz and popcount and stuff like that. < 1599095596 763701 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More food for thought. I am gonna play mtg now. < 1599095599 937624 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/ < 1599096347 783766 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are adding new things to JavaScript, but I think some improvements could be made to some other programming languages too, including PostScript, such as alpha transparency, auto-allocation (e.g. when you want to read a line of unknown length from a file), FFI, better string handling, shebang line, Z buffering, etc. < 1599096526 501532 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What cards are you playing? < 1599096604 416001 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was a bit boring. I didn't have a nice Boros deck at the moment so I played Red Aggro to just get the dailies out of the way. < 1599096696 181505 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Postscript well but I thought it is doing its job? < 1599096743 49541 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, although it could do better, like C and JavaScript and whatever are being improved to do better too. < 1599096764 953043 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, no word about the sole * in the August Ponder This solution :-/ I was really hoping to learn something. < 1599096813 923487 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One problem is the readline command; you have to allocate the string yourself to store the result, and if it is too short for the text of the line to fit, then it is an error; I suggest making it so that if you put null instead of a string, it will allocate a string of the correct size automatically.) < 1599096831 529787 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I played most the memes of current standard though. Normally I like janky decks. < 1599096921 285426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or at least be disappointed by something like "they used a 10k CPU cluster for a week to exhaust all possibilities") < 1599096930 797335 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess postscript still 'suffers' from being designed for far less capable printers instead of the monstrosities we have now. < 1599096971 491559 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually that is a good thing, though. < 1599097034 58334 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: Well, I am using PostScript on computers, not on printers, for one thing. For printers, you might as well use something like PCL, perhaps. I use PostScript as a programming language and think it is not as good as a document format or protocol, because there are other formats for doing that, which are better. < 1599097070 510672 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? Stack machines are great for this kind of stuff? < 1599097071 584220 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The result is also not necessarily even going to be a printed page; it might be a PNG file or something like that.) < 1599097156 752777 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: While it does work, it seems too excessive for a protocol or document format. < 1599097348 117413 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For a document format, there is PDF, although I think even for that, PDF is really messy) < 1599097351 254236 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599097573 162023 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. I like small concatenative languages for their simplicity but I wouldn't want to program in them. Probably couldn't. < 1599097590 625198 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And speed. I appreciate speed. < 1599097755 25435 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some people do program in PostScript (actually, I think I read that the inventor of INTERCAL programs in PostScript, too, when they want to do graphics, since PostScript is a good programming language for doing vector graphics). < 1599098016 622629 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack languages are great if you want to send lots of instructions to some abstract machine with high throughput. That's about the only thing I picked up from looking at them. They're just so simple. < 1599098028 186975 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nicely regular. I like that too. < 1599098264 89537 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to play any D&D or GURPS or similar games? Also, do you like to make up any custom Magic: the Gathering cards? < 1599098375 73443 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am way more boring than that! < 1599098433 995914 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mostly spend my time reading up on philosophy, cs, and watching Hollywood crap. < 1599101523 494745 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1599105983 379968 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599106037 243176 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599106680 88890 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waaaaait, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon is neither a Spirit nor a Dragon < 1599106821 297470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? < 1599106828 499574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the art it looks like both. < 1599106965 340584 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Types: Legendary Planeswalker — Ugin < 1599106984 306829 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a planeswalker? Are there any planeswalkers with creature types? < 1599106997 328533 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the card isn't a Spirit or Dragon, but perhaps the art is < 1599107003 504222 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION never learned properly about planeswalkers.
< 1599107034 401611 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't think there are any planeswalkers with creature types < 1599107049 365569 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Refer to rule 306 to learn about how the planeswalkers is working. < 1599107057 412975 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can still be a dragon in spirit, even if it can't be one on technical grounds. < 1599107078 308158 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that they don't make any planeswalker cards with other types, although it is possible to make such a card that is also a tribal or creature, and then it can have creature types. < 1599107090 727840 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But I also don't really care to learn properly about planeswalkers. < 1599107154 551330 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. Although, if you want to learn how is the game working for whatever reason, then you should learn about all of the rules of the game. < 1599107288 1606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gideon, Champion of Justice can have creature types. < 1599107292 669300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they aren't printed on the card. < 1599107328 31983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose any planeswalker can be turned into a creature. < 1599107373 842019 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can something which is not a creature have a creature type, and if so, will it retain that creature type if it becomes a creature? < 1599107385 8935 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, any permanent could, some change themself and some are changed by other effects. < 1599107526 145162 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: I think it can include a creature type in the type line of its text, but unless it is a creature or tribal, it won't have those subtypes, and they won't be retained unless an effect says that permanent becomes "an artifact creature" or changes it into a creature "in addition to its other types". < 1599107596 730498 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is not entirely clear though if it can retain subtypes due purely to its initial text. But I think not, since subtypes are a continuous property (a characteristic).) < 1599107647 713526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about e.g. https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=373559 ? < 1599107664 939314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nylea, God of the Hunt, and the other Thorax gods. < 1599107666 552460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theros? < 1599107692 832147 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if, for example Ugin, The Spirit Dragon was printed with Spirit Dragon in its type line, it wouldn't count towards the number of Dragons you control. < 1599107707 942102 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Yes, I believe so. < 1599107825 626980 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless something changed it into a artifact creature) < 1599107865 917357 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1599107941 126984 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, it is the Oracle text that counts anyways, rather than printed text, although cards are normally printed with the Oracle text of the time when they were printed. But I did read about one exception, where it was printed with Oracle text from the future instead.) < 1599107993 929101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually when I get cards they're printed with Oracle text from the past. < 1599108391 937037 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oracle text from the future"... so they went forth and back on a change, I guess. < 1599108415 294637 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps it was a deliberate un-card prank. < 1599108433 880343 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the rules I guess I stopped caring about 13 years ago. < 1599108514 177437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it's from Future Sight. < 1599108524 39824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/details.aspx?multiverseid=136151 ? < 1599108544 528775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that was on the Oracle text before it went into the rules or not. < 1599108562 694059 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They still had mana burn then. < 1599108628 640711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they have damage go on the stack? < 1599108671 86263 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1599108703 740355 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean combat damage on the stack? That was the case at one time, in sixth edition, but they removed that now; the rules work differently. < 1599108767 72788 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599108770 722831 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes. < 1599108897 428938 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no battlefield either, an explicit out-of-play zone for phasing, blah... < 1599109260 496459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad they took blah out < 1599109263 890221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a terrible rule. < 1599109343 347031 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah. < 1599109421 137359 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 blah < 1599109422 395993 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :oynu < 1599109433 651096 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quite pronouncible) < 1599111751 906274 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599113463 837336 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599113716 391720 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599113736 981957 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599113921 839579 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599116473 305235 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599116662 625917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1599116836 427908 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599117703 896961 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599118031 796410 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599118154 14236 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1599118736 181660 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599120353 89158 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1599120592 531316 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599120703 841016 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599121034 888993 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: vehicles are printed with creature types, but they only become creatures when you use their "crew" ability to animate them, and then they have those creature types < 1599121300 619840 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: yes, but these days planeswalkers could barely be printed with creature types anymore even if wizards wanted to, because "Legendary Planeswalker - Liliana" takes up most of the type line. the best you could do is a planeswalker with a short planeswalker type and a very short creature type, or a very short planeswalker type and a short creature type, or a changeling ability in the text box. and if < 1599121307 66804 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tried that, you couldn't reprint that planeswalker in a core set, because those have longer expansion symbols. < 1599121343 680187 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Legendary Planeswalker Creature - Spirit Dragon Ugin" is right out, and so is "Legendary Artifact Vehicle Planeswalker - Argo Ship" < 1599121578 479278 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even "Legendary Planeswalker - Cat Ajani" is too long for a core set, it could only fit in a set with a normal-sized expansion symbol. although they renamed one creature type to shorter: Hound to Dog. < 1599122386 288688 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Just gotta keep decreasing the font size until you need a magnifying glass to read it :D < 1599122459 395984 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Legendary Enchantment Creature - God" < 1599122683 925239 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599122843 902464 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric > 1599125672 224410 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77183&oldid=76811 5* 03Orisphera 5* (-19) 10/* General Ideas */ < 1599126271 220159 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1599126402 375950 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599126415 900730 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1599126763 480586 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1599128278 148261 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599129503 885354 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599131008 616633 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599133023 797247 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599134102 307806 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1599134377 900556 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric > 1599135537 289957 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77184&oldid=76452 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+1) 10/* Equality */ < 1599136143 859391 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1599136905 550520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77185&oldid=77184 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+197) 10/* Medium */ < 1599137430 506538 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1599137446 943794 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599137474 86785 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1599137708 512222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77186&oldid=76791 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+2) 10/* Turing-Completeness */ > 1599137962 278506 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Andrew's Programming Language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77187&oldid=77167 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+16) 10 < 1599138078 40848 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1599138384 157365 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599138909 27030 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599139274 871840 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599140405 402297 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599141063 873775 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599141863 25374 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599142101 401462 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could we somehow rename "minute" as in the unit of time that's 60 seconds? we have trouble abbreviating it because both "m" or "mn" can stand for either minute or month (yet at least one system uses "m" to abbreviate one and "mn" to abbreviate the other), and even "min" has problems because it already very often stands for "minimum". but I don't < 1599142101 812210 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :know what the best solution could be. < 1599142566 608031 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599142595 420928 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"min" is a good enough suffix for minute for me < 1599142610 798992 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, we could just use SI prefixes and seconds \o/ < 1599142665 240080 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of 5 min you just specify 3hs < 1599142823 715473 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: but don't worry, UK manages to use 'm' as shorthand for both metres and miles in road signage < 1599143227 274335 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hehe < 1599143328 886415 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599143329 526212 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to rename the kilogram to something that doesn't have a prefix in it because I don't understand why the SI base unit has a size prefix < 1599143491 966928 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonable, arguably the gram should be the base unit < 1599143507 424887 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: how about sexagintisecond (Latin) or hexecontasecond (Greek) < 1599143522 595206 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, uh, shastisecond (Sanskrit) < 1599143562 597787 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :road signs get *some* excuses from the usual rules because they have to limit the amount of text to remain readable. here, most road signs give distances in kilometers but don't have the unit explicitly written out, with three exceptions. < 1599143600 380977 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What gets me is that an hour is nicely divisible by 3 (thank you, Ancient Babylonians) but we never exploit this by saying anything like "It's a third to 11" < 1599143631 145505 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :short distances are usually given in meter, and those use "m" as the unit, so "500 m" is very common on the freeway in context of the second warning of an upcoming exit. small white road signs that give a distance or length below another road sign do explicitly say "km" eg. < 1599143631 639758 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/M2_aut%C3%B3p%C3%A1lya%2C_kosdi_%C3%BAt_h%C3%ADdja.jpg" . finally speed limit signs use km/h as the unit, and old ones have an explicit "km" (in small letters) to hint at that, but these days the new style without any mention of the unit is more common. < 1599143711 113190 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well some things are quantized to multiples of 5 minutes, but yes, 20 minutes is never used as the unit < 1599143777 270227 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1599143952 349796 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :info page for that image is "https://commons.wikimedia.org/?curid=79510556" < 1599144221 879839 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: sure, we omit unit for the usual km distance signs too, and use explicit 'm' for shorter distances < 1599144269 920075 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would mind it less tbh if UK signage just omitted unit altogther for long mile distances :p but if you use a unit, at least use a unique one < 1599144585 310754 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a unique one like ounce! > 1599148230 985334 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:,,,14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77188 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+247) 10/* Random Number Generator */ new section < 1599148850 274715 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 > 1599149086 624071 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:,,,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77189&oldid=77188 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+270) 10 < 1599151454 340002 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1599151891 26922 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599151994 22598 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1599152058 938109 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1599153512 689764 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidStackLanguage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77190&oldid=75045 5* 03Lebster 5* (-4) 10/* Hello World */ > 1599153556 848580 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77191&oldid=77064 5* 03Lebster 5* (-101) 10/* StupidStackLanguage */ < 1599153805 284653 :kspalaiologos!~palaiolog@176.221.122.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599153916 226224 :kspalaiologos!~palaiolog@176.221.122.69 QUIT :Client Quit < 1599155861 903384 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1599156592 992609 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need to abbreviate both metres and miles in the road sign maybe you should write "mi" for miles, and "m" for metres, then. < 1599156883 170663 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( min = milliinch ) < 1599157132 322657 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that a inch isn't a SI unit and so their abbreviations should not include SI prefixes. < 1599157341 273435 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :milliinch is a common unit but usually called "mil" or "thou" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousandth_of_an_inch < 1599157354 966967 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say that "mil" is a worse name than milliinch but "thou" is a better one < 1599157390 81981 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why not? It’s just that SI prescribes that any, or almost any feasible SI unit should be able to used with SI prefixes, but I’d think it’s not concerned with denying anything outside its scope < 1599157423 463682 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long art thou o child of inch < 1599157436 861089 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I am not denying using SI prefixes on units that are not SI units, but I do deny to use SI prefixes in their abbreviations. < 1599157485 937455 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does liter and bar count as SI units? how about bytes and bits? < 1599157493 329043 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bauds, while we're there < 1599157494 356654 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d think denying for some extent would be reasonable indeed but not too strongly < 1599157522 381395 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Yes, I suppose so. < 1599157523 325569 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits I think are somewhere in SI, though we’re probably need a reference now < 1599157570 77374 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know, although I think that some are "close enough", although bytes are often abbreviated using binary prefixes rather than SI prefixes anyways < 1599157578 586225 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also how about kiloponds, millimeters of mercury, kilocalories? those are definitely not SI units < 1599157637 243599 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes it isn't SI units, but at least millimetres of mercury and kilocalories have common abbreviations, which happen to match those of SI units > 1599157682 333763 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Pipythonmc 5* 10New user account < 1599157736 764125 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a liter is 10**(-3) m^3, a bar is 10**5 Pa, so they're at least powers of ten multiples of SI units. a kilopond is slightly less than 10 newton, a millimeter of mercury is around 133 pascal, and a kilocalory is around 4200 joule, but they're derived from the SI units kilogram and meter indirectly. < 1599157783 188425 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1599157797 545998 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am only saying that you should not generally add SI prefixes to non-SI units in abbreviations; in some cases they already do do such a thing commonly enough. I suppose you could also treat "mil" as an abbreviation for "milliinch".) < 1599157836 976060 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for SI prefixes, I would prefer if people would stick to stricter rules about the ones that aren't powers of 1000, that is centi, deci, deka, hecto, and effectively consider them depreciated and no longer productive prefixes, using them only when there's established practice using a specific prefixed unit for a domain. < 1599157882 541403 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For litres, I think "mL" is a common abbreviation, as is "L", and for bar, I think "mbar" is common, and for calories, "kCal". > 1599157923 226082 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77192&oldid=77171 5* 03Pipythonmc 5* (+199) 10/* Introductions */ < 1599157952 539867 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the ones that aren't powers of 1000 can be useful in some cases, such as maybe they should use myriahertz for the AM radio numbers (some old radio receivers do, but I have never seen them call this unit "myriahertz") < 1599157955 379247 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for milliliter, "ml" is the normal abbreviation, but "mL" and m with a loopy l are sometimes used on products < 1599157964 825921 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, "mbar" is common < 1599157997 472782 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mbar" is used by engineers, which I know becuase I work with them on a project where they have pressure sensors and we display some perssures in mbar > 1599158064 484188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Pipythonmc14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77193 5* 03Pipythonmc 5* (+171) 10Created page with "Hi! I'm a new user planning on making a 2D snake based language (a bit similar to ><> but with a different instruction pointer system) I'll update this page if I remember." < 1599158178 508381 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any experience about the milliinches and stuff, those are used in North America but not here, so I only meet those units on the internet < 1599158242 38601 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like "tonne", I think is confusing with "ton", a suitable word instead of "tonne" should be "megagram" < 1599158246 100723 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard inches are usually divided by powers of two < 1599158265 289070 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Yes, usually, although not always. < 1599158321 457006 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A IBM flowchart template I have includes inches in eighths, tenths, twelfths, and fifteenths. It also includes centimetres. < 1599158380 934218 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: fifteenth, wow! < 1599158494 491799 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599158587 300523 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those are used in scale drawings; those triangular architectural rulers have some pretty wonky ratios on them < 1599158724 214476 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in machine shops it's fairly common to speak of hundreths or thousandths of an inch - I've got a very nice machinists ruler with 1/32, 1/64, 1/50 and 1/100 scales < 1599158787 88451 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for hertz, I've seen kilo/megacycles, but not myria < 1599159904 293400 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about kilomegacycles < 1599159907 986194 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :abbreviated kmc < 1599160045 522808 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen an old (published 1950) circuit diagram with "µµf" for pF < 1599160056 668849 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i put it on a shirt. it's pretty esoteric https://i.imgur.com/szTRnRL.png < 1599160241 797831 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't the abbreviation for "mega" being "M" rather than "m"? Also, I think that you should not put multiple prefixes, isn't it? Also, I have seen "cycles per second" but not not abbreviations like that (other than "cps") < 1599160297 870987 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: O, I did not see such thing like that before, but now I did. < 1599160307 925606 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it a circuit diagram for? < 1599160594 984384 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_per_second < 1599160595 598963 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hz was officially introduced in 1960 < 1599160617 39659 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :kc and Mc were common abbreviations before that < 1599160688 684028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read a book that used "millimicrometer", but it was very non-technical fiction, and I think intended more to evoke a sense of a very short distance rather than to describe a physical thing. < 1599160709 498405 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :whch book? sounds familiar < 1599160743 487836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of Donald E. Westlake's "Dortmunder" series, as it happens. < 1599160757 458710 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have guessed some kind of classic sci-fi < 1599160763 278432 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used the term "decimicron" to describe the default DVI units, and have later seen that some others have done the same. < 1599160786 571689 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think millimicrometer or millimicron were actually used in engineering prior to 1960 which is also the year when nano- was introduced < 1599160796 978596 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://themetricmaven.com/realm-of-measure/ < 1599160833 965069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Around them hummed thousands—no, millions—of silent conversations, whistling and whispering through the cables; unfaithful husbands making assignations all unknowingly a millimicrometer away from their all-unknowing faithless wives; business deals being closed an eyelash distance from the unsuspecting subjects who’d be ruined by them; truth and lies flashing along cheek by jowl in parallel lanes, < 1599160839 920235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :never meeting; love and business, play and torment, hope and the end of hope all spun together inside the cables from the teeming telephones of Manhattan." < 1599160847 263647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're hiding underground in a tunnel used for telephone cables and suchlike.) < 1599160894 876611 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the circuit is a 5-state ring counter. every time a pulse is presented on the "pulse bus" the next triode / neon bulb will start to conduct and the previous one shuts off < 1599160900 704157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From 1983, so not old enough to predate the nano- prefix.) < 1599160905 325058 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from this book http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/era/High_Speed_Computing_Devices_1950.pdf < 1599160927 754207 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen "decimicron" used anywhere else? < 1599160964 161515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Lensman series of classic sci-fi probably had some wonky units. It definitely used "kilocycles" and so on in place of Hertz. < 1599161072 662221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it has a "millimicrosecond" too. < 1599161337 564965 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think so < 1599161350 761030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for distance, but IIRC, the default time unit in one speech processing toolkit is 100 ns (to give a better-than-1µs precision while still allowing a 32-bit offset to represent durations up to a typical speech utterance, I think), and I think they might've called it decimicrosecond somewhere. < 1599161387 642988 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc some old computer or something used microfortnights for delays < 1599161422 685160 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind of delays that were "about a second, but we don't really know how fast our clock is running yet" < 1599161447 478314 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have read that too < 1599161481 151571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not finding any matches for decimicrosecond in that context, so maybe they just called it a "100 ns unit". < 1599161531 142668 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Linux kernel famously uses "jiffies" as a time unit < 1599161574 330760 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a configurable and platform-dependent unit < 1599161596 383130 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does it still really? I thought that's mostly obsolate, and only appears in some obsolete interfaces. < 1599161601 584512 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, perhaps < 1599161609 35477 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is amused by microfortnights
< 1599161613 155988 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it still means "the system timer interrupt" < 1599161622 644693 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the rate of ti < 1599161637 912961 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of compatibility of course, including user interfaces that used to be jiffies back when a jiffy had a single concrete value, but later were kept as just whatever that value is regardless of what jiffies are. < 1599161641 368104 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is there still a regular system timer interrupt < 1599161661 296306 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they moved to a tickless system where the kernel figures out before sleeping when the next event it will need to wake for is < 1599161671 828940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way back when I still cared about building a kernel, they were already introducing config flags for that sort of stuff. < 1599161681 469714 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are still scheduler timeslice units and such but not an interrupt that always fires regularly < 1599161682 945846 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unsure, but I know it's in the config file < 1599161789 336488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFIG_NO_HZ, right. < 1599161801 92583 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it figures out how much to sleep, but people want stupid low-latency UIs that react to their mouse movements in a nanoseconds, and claim that they can see the difference, so on some systems we keep interrupting processes very often regardless that that slows down everything because a lot of cpu state, including the L1 cache and the L2 cache, keeps trampled when we switch < 1599161805 73928 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, looks like it < 1599161807 162933 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :between processes, when the CPU could perform well if you just let each process keep computing for a longer time. < 1599161815 86123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Haven't been following that at all.) < 1599161824 211570 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that's an option on old/weird architectures < 1599161841 902841 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think some of the change was brought about when most kernels became SMP-capable. back in the old days, non-SMP kernels were the norm, because few people had more than one CPU core. > 1599161865 150757 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:,,,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77194&oldid=77189 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+513) 10They do not work. :( < 1599161885 279242 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but frankly I don't know much about the details. I'm a user programmer, not a kernel programmer, I don't care too much about the internals of the kernel. > 1599162043 203685 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07,,,14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77195&oldid=77172 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-18) 10I think people get confused here. < 1599162304 929063 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599164886 712911 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1599165804 430059 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LYaPAS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77196&oldid=75886 5* 03Amakukha 5* (-21) 10doesn't seem to based on APL < 1599166044 11932 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1599166078 825301 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:LYaPAS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77197&oldid=23290 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+365) 10/* Not APL-like */ new section < 1599170737 353587 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1599172046 304543 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77198 5* 03Zero 5* (+1649) 10ByteByteFork is ByteByteJump with multithreading > 1599172192 938341 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77199&oldid=77198 5* 03Zero 5* (+84) 10 > 1599172277 409057 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77200&oldid=77156 5* 03Zero 5* (+19) 10 > 1599172379 643835 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77201&oldid=77199 5* 03Zero 5* (+4) 10 < 1599172393 465009 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1599172542 48125 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1599172667 623107 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1599172779 468193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77202&oldid=77201 5* 03Zero 5* (+9) 10 > 1599172817 947592 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77203&oldid=77202 5* 03Zero 5* (+17) 10 < 1599173421 790722 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric > 1599173683 55266 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77204&oldid=77203 5* 03Zero 5* (+2) 10 > 1599173696 621383 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77205&oldid=77204 5* 03Zero 5* (+1) 10 < 1599175192 583491 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1599175828 252867 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071CP=1ICL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77206&oldid=77174 5* 03Camto 5* (+92) 10Add # < 1599177234 28312 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds