00:15:05 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:00:00 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: I seem to have stopped.). 04:11:59 -!- sprocklem has joined. 04:18:54 zzo38: capture cards probaby have that, but as we no longer even have analog TV broadcast here anymore, you could only do that for video games 04:55:02 maybe you can find an analog TV transmission on the amateur bands :) 04:55:10 or transmit one yourself if you want 04:58:06 ?metar CYVR 04:58:07 CYVR 140400Z 30002KT 1 1/2SM FU SCT018 VV042 13/12 A2990 RMK ST4FU4 SLP127 04:59:55 you can receive amateur TV on the 70cm band on a regular analog TV / capture card by putting it into "cable TV" mode 05:00:12 -!- roseinhat has joined. 05:00:12 -!- roseinhat has quit (Excess Flood). 05:01:36 kmc: Do I need some kind of antenna to receive it? What channel number would be used? Can it be received on the VCR? 05:01:50 -!- roseinhat has joined. 05:01:50 -!- roseinhat has quit (Excess Flood). 05:02:57 b_jonas: Yes, and I don't like that we don't have the analog TV broadcast (I can receive one analog channel though, which seems to be some kind of signal analyzer), so use the cable box, but it goes through the VCR, and then to the TV. 05:03:29 I've never done it, but apparently cable channels 57-60 http://www.hamtv.com/ 05:04:48 and yes, you'd need an antenna. regular UHF TV antenna would probably work ok 05:06:05 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 05:06:09 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:06:45 I thought though they are cable numbers and not UHF numbers 05:07:04 or you could make a dipole for that particular band out of a scrap TV coax along the lines of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tafy51yUzQo&ab_channel=KevinLoughin 05:07:26 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 05:09:51 zzo38: there are UHF broadcast channels just above the 70 cm amateur band, so a broadcast TV antenna will probably receive those amateur frequencies okay. and the tuner can tune those frequencies in "cable TV" mode 05:16:41 I don't even know if there are any available in my area, and I do not have a antenna, anyways. 05:17:15 I don't like so much the cable box; you have to use their software, which has bugs, and is difficult to use with other stuff 05:18:12 that's too bad 05:23:50 I have seen open source TV software, but I don't know if it can receive digital cable TV, and their remote controls don't have numbers. 05:24:45 The model of cable box I have has composite video out, component video out, S video out, analog and digital audio out, HDMI, IEEE 1394, USB, eSATA, and EXT IR IN. 05:27:00 I don't know what functions are available with these things, such as I don't know if HDMI-CEC is implemented. I do know that captions are transmitted on the component video out. Is there a way to use these things to implement an external control? 05:28:26 I don't know 06:34:59 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:37:09 What my language obviously needs is the ability to run shell commands! 06:43:35 -!- roseinhat has joined. 06:43:36 -!- roseinhat has quit (Excess Flood). 07:04:13 spruit11: Yes, and possibly popen(). 07:11:11 -!- roseinhat has joined. 07:11:11 -!- roseinhat has quit (Excess Flood). 07:18:28 Heh. I was looking at the last Python process module and I think that total effort is half my interpreter, in LoC. 07:44:18 -!- roseinhat has joined. 07:44:19 -!- roseinhat has quit (Excess Flood). 07:44:36 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 08:05:19 -!- cpressey has joined. 08:09:50 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 08:12:03 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:22:08 Good morning 08:26:47 Good morning to all too 08:35:45 ...just another dreary Monday... 08:39:30 Remember: it isn't mondays you hate but capitalism. 08:39:38 Just saw that on the internet. 09:23:42 [[Filth]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77483&oldid=77482 * Bananaapple * (+223) Removed ambiguity around label definition 09:45:22 -!- Arcorann has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:45:48 -!- Arcorann has joined. 09:45:56 -!- dog_star has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:46:54 -!- dog_star has joined. 10:12:57 morning 10:13:28 [[1L a]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77484&oldid=77478 * SunnyMoon * (+98) Alright, maybe logic can be incorporated. But every if statement has an unwanted side effect. 10:13:55 [[1L a]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77485&oldid=77484 * SunnyMoon * (+1) Oh 10:22:39 -!- arseniiv has joined. 10:37:32 -!- roseinhat has joined. 10:37:32 -!- roseinhat has quit (Excess Flood). 10:40:27 -!- roseinhat has joined. 10:40:27 -!- roseinhat has quit (Excess Flood). 10:56:34 [[Filth]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77486&oldid=77483 * Bananaapple * (-117) Updated my interpreter, so I updated the wiki. Also I don't want to arms race with the other interpreter :) 11:03:44 -!- roseinhat has joined. 11:03:44 -!- roseinhat has quit (Excess Flood). 11:08:34 Yeet! I am automating my work on Egel in Egel.. 11:08:57 Only problem, a two line perl script would do it better and shorter. 11:09:02 But anyway. 11:30:58 -!- aaaaaa has joined. 11:36:36 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 11:42:00 -!- egelbot has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 11:42:59 -!- spruit11 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:50:11 -!- Deewiant has joined. 11:54:36 -!- cpressey has quit (Quit: Lunch.). 11:56:30 -!- spruit11 has joined. 12:01:10 [[Filth]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77487&oldid=77486 * Bananaapple * (+3) license name typo 12:31:21 spruit11: that means you're writing practical programs in egel and will learn of its deficiencies 12:39:08 g/ 23 12:39:14 Fail, sorry 12:55:57 Yah, Knuth, wasn't it. 13:02:00 -!- cpressey has joined. 13:11:14 Moving to cmake turns out to be a net positive. 13:18:41 b_jonas: Well, to some extent it does what it is supposed to do. Short quick and dirty scripts kind-of work. https://github.com/egel-lang/egel/blob/master/contrib/scripts/egeldoc.eg 14:01:36 -!- Sgeo has joined. 14:02:50 -!- aaaaaa has quit (Quit: leaving). 14:24:39 -!- atriq has joined. 14:32:45 -!- atriq has changed nick to Taneb. 14:50:09 -!- laerling has quit (Changing host). 14:50:09 -!- laerling has joined. 14:54:41 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Quit: hendursa1). 14:54:58 -!- hendursaga has joined. 15:35:24 -!- Arcorann has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:39:51 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 15:43:43 -!- cpressey has quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1). 15:54:18 -!- arseniiv has joined. 15:54:37 @metar EGLL 15:54:38 EGLL 141550Z AUTO 11006KT 050V140 9999 NCD 28/10 Q1019 NOSIG 15:54:52 What kind of September weather is this nonsense. 16:10:45 Hm. The letter combination "..fii.." looks somehow particularly ugly when the "fi" part gets ligated. 16:10:49 @metar EHDL 16:10:49 EHDL 141555Z AUTO 10003KT 030V160 9999 NCD 29/13 Q1022 BLU 16:12:31 It's a BLU sky. 16:16:50 fizzie: my opinion is still that the "fi" ligature looks ugly in most fonts, I believe that's because font creators put in such a ligature that looks obviously different from a normal "fi" to make it clear that this is a "professional" font that has such ligatures. most fonts wouldn't need such a ligature, or would need one that differes from a normal kerned "fi" only very slightly. 16:18:53 I've been thinking of putting out only PDFs which look like they have 70's monotype/typewriter in them. 16:19:22 Preferably with handwritten symbols and figures. 16:23:36 @metar lowi 16:23:36 LOWI 141550Z 07009KT CAVOK 26/13 Q1024 NOSIG 16:24:06 `grwp effi 16:24:08 bogosort:Bogosort is an efficient sorting algorithm for nondeterministic Turing machines. Taneb may have invented it. 16:25:18 Oooh, I didn't know I might have invented htat 16:26:59 if Taneb invented it, that must be one of those time-traveling inventions that he invented before he was born 16:28:38 When was bogosort designed? 16:28:44 I don't know 16:29:07 1986 the latest 16:29:18 Ah, I was definitely not alive then 16:29:26 At least so far 16:29:39 it may be one of those folklore things that are hard to trace to their origin 16:30:19 It may indeed have been invented by a time travelling Taneb 16:31:31 TTTP is short for the Time-Travelling Taneb Problem. 17:02:03 -!- imode has joined. 17:05:21 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 17:08:11 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:08:13 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 17:32:10 [21:19] Preferably with handwritten symbols and figures. => that’s inhumane! 17:33:20 OTOH I like handwritten figures, but the combination of typewriter and handwriting is awfully unreadable. Mainly due to typewriter typeface but 17:40:46 -!- ATMunn has quit (Quit: lol rip). 17:40:49 -!- moony has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:41:22 -!- ATMunn has joined. 17:41:32 -!- moony has joined. 17:41:40 I saw in Hamming’s book that the bell shape of IQ distribution is due to the way they normalize the experimental data in its definition. Damn 17:42:21 (in “Art of Doing Science and Engineering”) 17:43:57 I saw a couple of days ago a video about IQ being actually nice, correct and okay and that there is a ton of legit articles about it. Now I don’t know what to think 17:47:08 also mysteriously that video hadn’t anything said on the abundance of strange tests pretending to measure IQ but not being such. I’d think usually people share links to those as it has been difficult to me to find a neutral (geography-agnostic etc.) one. If I don’t know what longitudes a couple of not so major cities have, I don’t have lower generall intelligence, but I saw a question with this intended solution in one of the fake tests 18:44:39 https://hastebin.com/afitakoroc.txt 18:46:04 someone explain to me how I get multi-millisecond timings for something that takes drastically less cycles. 18:48:07 maybe I'm misjudging actual work being done vs. interpreter spinup/spindown. 19:07:53 ?metar CYVR 19:07:53 CYVR 141900Z 27005KT 1SM R26R/4500FT/N R26L/5000FT/N FU BR BKN002 BKN014 OVC028 16/14 A2997 RMK FU3SF2ST2SC1 SLP150 DENSITY ALT 100FT 19:29:03 -!- xelxebar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:30:01 -!- xelxebar has joined. 19:36:14 spruit11: Which specific fonts do you mean? If you are using only a single fixpitch font, then, other than diagrams, plain text will do OK (and you can add form feeds between pages if you want to do). 19:39:02 b_jonas: Do you think the "fi" ligature is good in some fonts? (I see many fonts have bad kerning, often either too much or not enough, and the font used for web pages in Firefox on my computer has too much kerning I think, how can I adjust that? 19:46:28 zzo38: in some Times-like fonts it's good, yes 19:46:42 in CMR too 19:50:17 zzo38: There are some nice retro fonts for latex which I downloaded once. They emulate old typewriters. 19:51:19 https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/344214/use-latex-to-simulate-old-typewriter-written-texts/344272 19:51:41 yay, I bought my new home computer! all the hardware will hopefully arrive this week, and then I can assemble and try it, but since there are so many parts and ways it can fail, it's unlikely that everything will actually work out within the week. 19:51:54 and this doesn't count software configuration, which will take longer for me 19:53:01 I think this is the most money that I have ever spent within any single day, though not by very far 20:01:18 In the old days even PhD students would give their texts to an administrative who would type out/typeset it and fill in the math by hand. Also, fixed bugs in the text. I like that look. 20:09:55 arseniiv: I think that IQ is not the same as intelligence, although it is related. (I would define IQ as the score you would earn on a ideal IQ test, where 100 is average. Intelligence cannot properly be represented by a single number anyways, I think.) 20:26:53 also I found out I suck at mental arithmetic with English-spelled numbers more than in general 20:27:57 arseniiv: you do mental arithmetic in more than one language? I thought basically everyone did it only in one language, even bilingual people. 20:29:18 spruit11: As far as I can see, that is just using existing OpenType Computer Modern fonts, but with pdfLuaLaTeX to make the variability. (I would probably have done something different: produce the DVI normally (without any random variability), and then implement the random variability in PostScript code instead.) 20:38:55 -!- ifinkias has joined. 20:40:34 -!- ifinkias has changed nick to asaaaa12. 20:45:03 -!- asaaaa12 has quit (Quit: Client Quit). 20:48:44 b_jonas: I think I do it in just Russian, yeah. That’s an interesting question, I’ll ask my friends how they think about themselves 20:58:16 also I think I understand why eight hundred thirty five is worse than 835 at least for me: the latter is more helpful to try making something with in visual operating memory, than the words which need converting and thus pollute the operating memory (which is VERY limited unless we represent something via linking to the longer-term memory, so mnemonics, or in this case, hard practice with non-native numerals, may help) 21:01:06 I didn't know about `perf stat`. 21:01:15 Or maybe I did and I forgot. 21:01:31 I should add some of these things to my `time` program. 21:03:21 arseniiv: Yes, writing numbers with digits rather than words is better to work with. 21:11:10 zzo38: I'll take anything! 21:12:03 You will take anything? 21:12:51 that reminds me of a “dozenal transition problem”: if one uses 0123456789AB as base-12 digits, then when transitioning from base 10 to base 12, many literals like 389 will be ambiguous. So for example when transitioning to heximal, it would be practical to invent six, or at least five (leave 0 intact) new digits 21:13:08 what digits would you propose for whatever reason? 21:13:31 zzo38: Yes! 21:13:49 Just kidding, with regard to the retro typesetting. 21:14:54 arseniiv: You can also make up an entirely new set of digits, or you can use prefixes such as 0x for hexadecimal (like in C) or 16# for hexadecimal (like in PostScript). 21:15:03 arseniiv: I don't like base 12, but if you insist, then I instead suggest base 5*6, with digits 0 1 2 3 4 5 for the unit digit, Z A B C D for the sixes digit, as described in http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2015-11-09.2335.html 21:15:39 then every number at least ends in a decimal digit, but every number that has more than one digit will have a digit that is not a decimal digit 21:16:30 my unthoughtful take on heximal (using old zero): J U Ɯ Ɣ Ƨ. Cons: even has lowercase! j u ɯ ɣ ƨ 21:17:05 but Ƨ looks too similar to 2 in handwriting 21:18:48 zzo38: that’s good for formal languages, I agree 21:19:04 but Ƨ looks too similar to 2 in handwriting => unfortunately 21:20:14 mixed 5×6 is interesting 21:20:28 though it seems a bit complex 21:21:23 Yes, but it does make it compatible with decimal numbers 21:21:24 I thought if one wants to transition to base 6, one may inadvertently end up with base 6×10 or 10×6 21:21:42 zzo38: yeah 21:50:09 mosquitoes are very annoying. Moreso in the autumn when they should go to sleep, not pay me nightly visits. My poor fingers :( 22:14:28 ?metar CYVR 22:14:28 CYVR 142200Z 30006KT 1SM R26R/4500FT/N R26L/5500FT/N FU BKN002 OVC021 16/14 A2994 RMK FU4SF1SC3 SLP139 DENSITY ALT 200FT 22:46:56 [[Esolang Playground]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77488&oldid=75537 * InfiniteDonuts * (+49) 22:47:51 [[Esolang Playground]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77489&oldid=77488 * InfiniteDonuts * (+14) 22:53:57 -!- Arcorann has joined. 22:54:30 -!- Arcorann has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:54:57 -!- Arcorann has joined.