> 1600905607 783597 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03BougeToi 5* 10New user account < 1600905779 90157 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600905858 238963 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... so in debian, when software documentation is in a separate binary package, if it's html (or pdf) documentation (as opposed to man pages or info), the documentation is usually installed under /usr/share/doc . but /usr/share/doc has directories for each binary package name, and the docs are sometimes installed under the name of the doc package, but sometimes under the name of the software package. > 1600905860 991305 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77724&oldid=77698 5* 03BougeToi 5* (+268) 10/* Introductions */ < 1600905864 350651 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter might be an error. < 1600905866 282068 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/error/mistake/ < 1600905884 915030 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600906164 286644 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the policies for documentation in Debian? > 1600906182 349994 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77725&oldid=50296 5* 03BougeToi 5* (-9) 10Made the text more adjacent to English < 1600906225 364489 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is documentation which isn't in man pages, presumably I should think the man pages should mention where to find them, though. (In addition to HTML and PDF, some programs may also have plain text documentation.) > 1600906359 248405 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FizzBuzz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77726&oldid=77672 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+1080) 10/* Examples */ Mathematics < 1600906870 76989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a mistake, I think it's a pretty common mistake. Unless you meant "mistake" in the sense of "not a good idea", rather than "not a thing a Debian package is supposed to do". > 1600906944 853451 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77727&oldid=77725 5* 03BougeToi 5* (+122) 10/* Translate to brainfuck */ < 1600907108 426207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it might be just that there's no one consistent convention. One of the '-doc' packages I've got installed (gpsbabel-doc) in fact puts meta-documentation about the doc package (changelog.Debian.gz, copyright) in /usr/share/doc/gpsbabel-doc, but documentation about the software itself (gpsbabel.html, gpsbabel.pdf.gz) in /usr/share/doc/gpsbabel. And then it makes /usr/share/doc/gpsbabel-doc/doc a < 1600907114 442016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :symlink to '../gpsbabel'. < 1600907130 79973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe that's just a particularly weird example. < 1600907173 939079 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1600909112 70543 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: some programs also have info documentation. I don't know what the policies are, but the practice that I observe is that they mostly just let you install docs in the form that the upstream could install, which could be any of man, info, html, pdf; and then also add at least stub manpages for executables if they don't have one. < 1600909147 990542 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they change the installation directories, but that make sense, they have to change that for basically everything they install. < 1600909178 838885 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most software already allows or should allow users to decide the installation directories anyway. < 1600909273 13870 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, and also if the documentation is licensed under the GFDL with front or back cover text, then they consider that docs not free and so don't put them in the main archives. this is sort of internally consistent, but very annoying. < 1600909674 260759 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, there is also info documentation < 1600912734 663609 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what is this? If I remember correctly there are tools to generate man and info pages from your application if you set it up correctly. < 1600912789 373582 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used .ds and .so commands so that you can specify what directories other files are found in (whether documentation or something else) edited by the distributor, separately from the rest of the man page. < 1600912797 54722 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also a few programs, most notably subversionn, hide their reference documentation in the executable such that you can access them with something like program-name help --verbose then program-name help subcommand-or-doc-section < 1600912812 142032 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, some programs do. < 1600912893 744119 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I should go through and extract all the help pages from the programs of subversion (svn, svnadmin, and a few more) and concatenate them to a single searchable text file, but so far I've been lazy < 1600912928 485806 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mercurial also does this, but it also comes with a hg(1) manpage that has the same text, so in that case it's fine < 1600912946 690132 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn doesn't have that text in man-pages or on the web or anywhere easily searchable < 1600912969 937578 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fossil also has the docs in the executable < 1600912994 134612 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you happen to have already existed these docs for some executable such that you can share? < 1600913058 600416 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know fossil does too < 1600913091 871272 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I am not sure what you are looking for < 1600913154 177111 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a single text file that contains all possible outputs from svn help $anything, svnadmin help $anything, etc; and similarly for fossil help $anything < 1600913173 890676 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in a text file, I can do full-text search < 1600913179 102297 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have them. < 1600914789 702482 :RTFM[ChOkO]!~RTFMChOkO@rtfm-ctf/founder/choko JOIN :#esoteric < 1600915907 619515 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600915974 837357 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably a stupid question because I don't understand enough about hardware. ethernet uses a checksum, usually crc32 or crc16, to detect packages that aren't transmitted correctly, and can use that to negotiate transmission speed. that much makes sense. but why doesn't ethernet also use some kind of error-correction code, to gain bandwith? < 1600916005 377348 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least optionally I mean, after negotiation. < 1600916043 463888 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600916065 102062 :gahaaah!65afa75c@101.175.167.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600916137 520039 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really add error correction codes at higher layers of the protocol if ethernet discards packets with wrong checksums < 1600916148 532793 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's ethernet that has to do it < 1600916149 21939 :gahaaah!65afa75c@101.175.167.92 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a challenge that involves ECC cryptography, are you able to break it? here is the encrypt.py https://pastebin.com/UpNf3Pis and here is the output.txt https://pastebin.com/bM9X3znV you can use any esolang to solve this, or any program you choose e.g sage, gp/pari etc :) < 1600916163 512944 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and error correction code is nice to implement in hardware too < 1600916802 140517 :gahaaah!65afa75c@101.175.167.92 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can buffer overflow/heap overflow vulnerable code be written in any esolang? < 1600917061 398356 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gahaaah: yes, there are low-level esolangs that let you access memory without bounds check < 1600917081 802173 :gahaaah!65afa75c@101.175.167.92 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas which one is the more popular one? < 1600917274 292639 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno. probably some bytebytejump variant is the most popular, but I specifically hate that language. < 1600917584 279117 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :gahaaah: do it in thue. < 1600918130 837864 :gahaaah!65afa75c@101.175.167.92 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try < 1600918273 241930 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :why're you looking to break esolang interpreters? < 1600918479 982575 :gahaaah!65afa75c@101.175.167.92 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1600918499 767678 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame. was looking for someone security minded. < 1600922177 135207 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc JOIN :#esoteric < 1600929315 489528 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1600931678 583264 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600931865 674178 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uiplmdtlzxqgskyi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1600934955 624773 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600935083 847556 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600940425 970822 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: ... < 1600940548 999737 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1600943141 4535 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1600943236 832240 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algebraic Data Types, but for operating systems: Dual-booting == sum type, running a VM == product type < 1600943407 508948 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1600943988 548272 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would an exponential type be < 1600944793 864110 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600948482 884879 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1600948955 606346 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77728&oldid=77723 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-6) 10Info -> About < 1600952694 110978 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1600952717 809607 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1600952814 399983 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77729&oldid=77635 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-52) 10I will remove this. It may cause confusion. > 1600952890 968322 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77730&oldid=77729 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-4) 10Grammar fix > 1600952938 782647 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77731&oldid=77730 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+1) 10Full stoppp < 1600953319 784897 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1600953321 889754 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is juberous. < 1600954939 870505 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1600956205 949519 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600959290 919175 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600959443 734640 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600959461 905740 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1600959614 968718 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://tabloid.vercel.app < 1600959679 914064 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oops, please turn on JavaScript to enjoy Tabloid :) < 1600960019 777884 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fracjbugeeqxdvxh JOIN :#esoteric < 1600960654 108420 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24578749 <-- HN thread on Tabloid < 1600960744 764755 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how everything gets printed with an exclamation mark at the end < 1600961712 412563 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600962084 219857 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :how scandalous! < 1600962138 628891 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :rumor has it that’s an extramarital son of Cobol and Intercal (and BASIC) < 1600962164 676059 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :QBASIC* > 1600962183 269502 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Seiryn 5* 10New user account < 1600962299 589416 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there esotericity in allowing only dual numbers in a language? (R ⊕ εR where ε² = 0; or we may make ε a higher-degree nilpotent, like ε³ = 0 and taking R ⊕ εR ⊕ ε²R) < 1600962313 297180 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :by R I mean float64 or something < 1600962440 20525 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course exp, sin and others will be defined by their Taylor series truncations) < 1600962490 309569 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like sin (a + bε) = sin a − bε cos a) < 1600962508 922768 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, + < 1600962816 641643 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not very esoteric, I think. Keyword is "forward mode automatic differentiation". < 1600962914 547215 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The syntax may be esoteric, but that's shallow.) < 1600963716 330366 :Cale!~cale@99.253.130.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1600964309 274726 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1600968778 680163 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1600970451 352662 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : Keyword is "forward mode automatic differentiation". => yeah I know :( < 1600970487 63836 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: how about complex numbers confined to the unit circle? < 1600970508 664996 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you probably have already seen me tlking about them) < 1600973859 116483 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :C compilers seem to break if you shove 2.6MiB worth of statements at them, but I don't know why. < 1600973970 498403 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1600974131 838294 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them around this same boundary? < 1600975745 531822 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1600978139 424170 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I may have. Didn't pique my interest... < 1600983625 882772 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1600984509 943527 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600984999 209512 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1600987934 429616 :budonyc!~budonyc@c-24-62-207-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600989737 488919 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600989820 976044 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Double Helix14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77732&oldid=71508 5* 03Abbin21 5* (+1) 10/* Computation */ > 1600991241 967790 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77733&oldid=77728 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+0) 10Remap exclusion zones for clarity. > 1600991687 760229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Abbin2114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77734 5* 03Abbin21 5* (+148) 10Created page with "Abbin lives somewhere, i think. He has created 2 esolangs to this date and plans to continue his journey. == Esolangs == * [[Conveyer]] * [[Casini]]"