< 1598918486 883491 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1598919998 175968 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniif_: no, I don't think I ever really talked about them. it's mostly the newer syntax additions, which I think are painfully inconsistent with the existing syntax, and I find that bad because I feel like the devs who introduced those extensions should have done a better work and give them better syntax. < 1598920022 849548 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-17.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't use Haskell these days so I mostly managed to swap out the details. < 1598920976 90397 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1598921805 735050 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1598921825 685042 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: # some nonsense < 1598921831 742929 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: 1+1 < 1598921831 866437 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 > 1598922821 605311 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071CP=1ICL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77173&oldid=77152 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+97) 10Categorization. > 1598922870 488938 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071CP=1ICL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77174&oldid=77173 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-4) 10 < 1598926224 245039 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, somebody got a star on the IBM Ponder This August challenge... I had given up. I hope we'll get to see their approach and how much CPU time they invested. < 1598926271 786571 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH the September challenge is surprisingly easy? < 1598926348 506417 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Starting with the fact that it only asks for examples, not for proofs :P) < 1598926588 166804 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sank 5 full days of computation (but using only 6 cores) into the August challenge at 0 <= a,b,c <= 10 and all I have to show for it is that 11 <= optimum for 10 <= 13. I did settle the 0 <= a,b,c <= 9 case though. But I failed to find any useful heuristic for establishing lower bounds at all. < 1598926707 815918 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is juberous. < 1598926710 398735 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is juberous. < 1598926900 117524 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both Nim and Zig's sum types involve giving the type an explicit tag field. < 1598926911 475561 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does this seem... unusua? < 1598926954 902035 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FWIW, if I had designed that challenge I would've given the star for finding the best known solution for 0 <= a,b,c <= 100. But maybe that's too spammy because people will just send every single improvement they find? I don't know.) < 1598926957 36069 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://nim-lang.org/docs/json.html#JsonNodeObj < 1598926980 861382 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know, it doesn't seem unusual? < 1598926994 264237 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither Haskell nor Rust do it < 1598927017 612628 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But people coming from C will do it. < 1598927042 209730 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of the tag/union pattern. < 1598927102 987256 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: To be clear, I think *neither* way is unusual. < 1598927163 142605 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a serialization format, having the tags explicit may be useful, because it's easier for the programmer to understand when they change the underlying encoding. < 1598927352 11207 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly example: In Haskell, if you drop a data constructor that was never used in practice, and also derive the serialization code, you may have trouble remaining backward compatible, because you usually do not assign your own tags then. < 1598929250 122249 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1598935698 106901 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598935705 281821 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1598935777 701837 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1598938919 570979 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1598943622 893743 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1598943784 188008 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1598946386 4565 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1598947816 707977 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1598947963 823803 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1598949319 112211 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598949870 960438 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:946d:66e3:629e:349a JOIN :#esoteric < 1598950089 516467 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:b531:aeb2:5015:9484 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1598951365 40150 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-17.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1598954966 807936 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Ping timeout: 608 seconds < 1598955313 950551 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1598957041 978152 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1598957463 14658 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598957680 58150 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1598957910 938779 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.64 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1598961297 788774 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1598962311 331746 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :.dmg <-- whenever I see that I read it as 'damage'. (it's for "disk image", apparently) < 1598962440 894970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a name for the Game Boy (DMG-01), said to be short for Dot Matrix Game. < 1598962479 562636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not as a file extension though. < 1598962503 531588 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a pretty accurate description of what the Game Boy is. < 1598962518 41767 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Quit: This page is intentionally left blank. < 1598962558 573662 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an era full of fixed graphics LCD display games. < 1598962573 770501 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure what the proper term for that is) < 1598962638 310450 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1598962638 814343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know what those are, but not what they're called. < 1598963106 789542 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're just LCDs, or "custom LCD" if you want to stress that they're neither dot matrix nor boring 7 digit segment ones. < 1598963159 528935 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia has a page on the games... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handheld_electronic_game < 1598963335 184708 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a picture of a very clunky looking one... which was led based I guess? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKcd3WjuZhk < 1598963439 160425 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And 7 segment display based, not custom. Funny.) < 1598963443 464410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we had some of those Game & Watch ones. < 1598963533 728706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mario_Bros._-_Game%26Watch_-_Nintendo.jpg I think, although that's not the greatest picture. < 1598963558 30733 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's actually one of those displays... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_fluorescent_display ...which went out of fashion before I really tried to understand technology. < 1598963811 88602 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah that page has this helpful (if not conclusive) bit: "This technology was also used from 1979 to the mid-1980s in portable electronic game units." < 1598963955 709546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was one with >2 screens (3 or 4), too, where the gameplay progressed from one to another, but that doesn't seem to have been a Game & Watch title. < 1598964128 271305 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e, fizzie: it's tricky. there are handheld game consoles with one game with a built in custom LCD and a few buttons, some in watch form but most larger, eventually (but only after the Game Boy) even as complex ones as a real Tetris with a 20x10 block board with 3 LCD segments in each block; but there are also "mini-arcade" portable games that < 1598964128 649490 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are similar but have a passive chasis and a built-in display with a variety of technology; < 1598964191 890934 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also a lot of single-game TV game hardware that doesn't have a built-in display and you connect them to a TV like you'd connect a gaming console that uses cartirdges. < 1598964195 564390 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1598964214 834803 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1598964246 729490 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of miscellanious games that don't clearly fall into genres, including games that combine electronics with traditional mechanical elements and/or human-enforced rules < 1598964342 85458 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :these latter still exist today, as chess computers that detect how you move the physical game pieces on a board, presumably using magnets, electronic darts games that detect where the dart hits, and carnival games that count how many times you kicked the ball into the goal or threw it into the hoop < 1598965636 330217 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-121.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1598965641 796275 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-121.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1598965802 467 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-121.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1598969470 141975 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1598971099 24727 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1598972499 68982 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Python][SAT] Toy package manager under 200 SLOC on top of SAT solver https://yurichev.com/news/20200901_pkg/ < 1598972683 811357 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1598972825 809860 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1598973698 176808 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...constraint satisfaction is an NP-problem? < 1598973771 574985 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...sounds like a reason not to build a package system that requires solving it < 1598973782 545095 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you do that? < 1598973792 479636 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardlink everything? < 1598973859 37830 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just always use the newest version of everything and hope it works out < 1598973871 770262 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that does have obvious downsides < 1598973934 395644 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :take soname updates for instance - there's already something in place for side-by-side installation, it just has to be propagated to the package names < 1598973967 877144 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore version constraints aren't necessary < 1598974036 298303 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to install anything like a hundred times. and if you are unlucky, those don't share configs if they should or do share configs if they shouldn't < 1598974083 282620 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, one shouldn't have to install anything a hundred times if everything uses the latest version, and if not, then that's better compatibility than the state of things r/n < 1598974149 820542 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree < 1598974157 829450 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :t20kdc: But in practice, packages lag behind, some versions are broken, possibly only for a few select problems... < 1598974169 781396 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :constraint satisfaction is in place it works < 1598974171 983775 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things become NP-hard sooner than you can blink < 1598974206 166329 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :problems -> packages < 1598974206 415506 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-121.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every problem in CSP is either NP-complete or in P hth < 1598974212 18742 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good Freudian slip, there. < 1598974229 238186 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSP = C_____ Salesman Problem ? < 1598974246 524821 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: uh, misuse of "problem"? < 1598974260 832146 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: constraint satisfaction problem < 1598974284 189119 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, confused salesdrone problem < 1598974296 779301 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is that moving soname major versions to the package name means that nothing changes unless side-by-side support is required, where it's an improvement (it's already done for, say, LLVM in some distros) < 1598974300 565087 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? drone < 1598974302 664285 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drones are tools used to perform certain criminal actions that were not possible in ancient times. < 1598974388 381387 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar plans can be enacted in other places. if it makes the problem no longer NP-complete if applied sufficiently, I'm unsure, but it'd at least simplify things < 1598974397 582544 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : .dmg <-- whenever I see that I read it as 'damage'. (it's for "disk image", apparently) => read that way too < 1598974431 340440 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( brain.dmg ) < 1598974500 362477 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course in theory integrated support for side-by-side soname versions at package manager level is just as good for that specific improvement, just more complex < 1598974630 808964 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :t20kdc: enter diamonds... > 1598974656 467369 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03HTTPSONION 5* 10New user account < 1598974670 168282 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A depends on B,C; B,C depend on D, in such a way that you need to use the same version of D for both) < 1598974697 324069 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there are always going to be failing situations, but this has less failing situations than the current state of "the app uses an ancient version of libpng and I can't run it" < 1598974766 406007 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just feeding the idea that the question whether there is a working combination of packages, even if it can be accurately reflected in terms of versions, is naturally NP-hard. < 1598974845 624988 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think it is. I wouldn't necessarily want to use a general purpose SAT solver for this... but mostly because it's hard to obtain stable solutions from them. < 1598974852 994205 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think.) < 1598974888 257593 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-121.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "simple package management" (for some definition of "simple") reduces to topological sort and I'm pretty sure topological sort is in P. But I'm equally confident that "practical package management" is not reducible to "simple package management", so. Not saying no to a SAT solver. < 1598974945 887181 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :topological sort package management is indeed what I was thinking of < 1598974958 653963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's mostly the versions that mess things up < 1598974997 672585 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: but there's also things like alternative dependencies (several libraries providing the same API... several tools serving the same purpose) < 1598975092 708229 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and of course different versions may have different dependencies as well < 1598975105 296503 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, depend on different packages) < 1598975531 121755 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-121.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If packages can have registered conflicts, and alternative dependencies, and there is some logic where it tries to avoid conflicts by trying alternatives -- sounds plausibly in NP to me < 1598975623 815653 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1598977038 819963 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1598977196 983258 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1598977333 511437 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1598977561 31675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598977591 149082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a reminder that apt can be made to solve Sudoku (and probably exact cover problems in general) < 1598977817 594473 :ajdlkasd!~ajdlkasd@89.36.78.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598977817 887611 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how is the sudoku expressed? < 1598977925 220594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, dpkg, not apt < 1598977950 285161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking it up now < 1598978048 899747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20160304015611/http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/package-management-sudoku/ < 1598978179 281770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ^ < 1598978204 943859 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1598978552 951507 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, i learnt today of a bubblegum quine https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/210416 which linked to a zip quine < 1598978632 339775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be interesting to have an esolang which was a "more explicit" form of zip < 1598978642 999793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. human readable backreferences, copy lengths, etc. < 1598978652 891876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the zip quine was easier to fully appreciate < 1598978672 590237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure if "was" should be "were" there, normally I'm good with subjunctive grammar but this one flummoxes me) < 1598978686 304525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it should be "would be"? < 1598978811 267063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is apt, not dpkg < 1598978817 264514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was right first time < 1598978822 249181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so, dpkg doesn't do dependency management < 1598978842 98192 :ajdlkasd!~ajdlkasd@89.36.78.106 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1598978861 2856 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598979064 96023 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1598979069 374901 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1598979192 950651 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1598979310 292675 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, yeah, dpkg doesn't manage dependencies, it just complains about them < 1598979342 184786 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1598979358 448583 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-121.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1598979364 829512 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the primary problem with that is the huffman layer < 1598979691 669405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't have to replicate that, I doubt it's important to the quine's function < 1598979736 210777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1598981923 614674 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1598982298 891805 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1598982298 891864 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1598982299 529085 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1598982300 150342 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :*.net *.split < 1598982300 650422 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister QUIT :*.net *.split < 1598982315 121023 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have a really silly idea. TIDE CUBE. oceans have two simultaneous tides during a 24-hour rotation, one on the day side caused by the Sun's gravitational pull, one on the night side caused by the Moon's gravitational pull. the common men of the ancient world, who lived their life in harmony with nature, working outdoors as farmers or sailors, knew this correctly. they didn't know the cause, which is < 1598982321 125188 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :understandable because they lived before Saint John told them about the four corners of Earth, so they invented such supernatural explanations as two giant sea monsters, Scylla and Charybdis, causing the tides. < 1598982392 13700 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1598982392 13753 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598982392 13765 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1598982392 160463 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1598982392 160517 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister JOIN :#esoteric < 1598982397 943879 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1598982422 285329 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1598982572 30352 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then a new elite rose, and instead of working, they leeched on the common man, shut themselves in ivory towers, and started to make theories, very rarely emerging to observe the real world and fact-check their theories. thus these people, Aristoteles and Erasthotenes, claimed that Earth was round. so did Columbus, who was more misguided because he had heard of the true teachings of the Bible and yet < 1598982578 99654 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :contradicted them, and ordered common men how to build sailing ships on this principle, without having any actual practice in seafaring. he led his men on a false path, and would have perished if it weren't for a timely mutiny of his men taking the ships back to the straight path. < 1598982605 498395 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Columbus, of course, denied this, and claimed that he went the impossible round path and arrived to the East by going to the West, but we know that his men managed to take him straight to the West. < 1598982658 405357 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a physicist only works 8 hours a day, there's no way they can observe the two simultaneous tides in one day. < 1598982663 790122 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1598982702 209965 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus even today textbooks are full of incorrect explanations of tides. < 1598982831 749447 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, someone already has tidecube.com < 1598983117 345622 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooloovo0: yes, there's a well-known washing machine detergent brand called "Tide", and there are at least dishwasher detergents distributed as cubes, so it's not too far-fetched as a brand that they'd want to use < 1598983147 573992 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be surprising if no domain name squatter bought such a nice short English compound word under .com < 1598983262 813373 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :funky, ssh 5.3 on port 26 < 1598984616 807290 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1598985326 6064 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: my cheeks hurt, or my sanity, I don’t know which < 1598985362 342511 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(may I also suggest a TIE CUBE) < 1598985518 181531 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. TIRE CUBE. Tires are actually cubical, it’s just our eyes have a peculiar malfunction regarding them, as do our other optical devices as they are produced to fit our eyes’ functions to a degree. Only a garbage-level camera may approach the true image of tires (but while doing this, tire to death and explode) < 1598985546 352583 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is no competition even for TIDE CUBE, though, yep < 1598985561 577564 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :disregarding the original < 1598985583 877802 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/disregarding/and not even regarding < 1598986130 206331 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1598987145 676789 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1598987719 711457 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No `chr` function in sight. https://unicode-org.github.io/icu-docs/apidoc/released/icu4c/uchar_8h.html < 1598987722 721103 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. < 1598987734 457650 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHy not? < 1598987793 824415 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's hope it is since it's probably just a cast? < 1598987961 295754 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :double u_getNumericValue ( UChar32 c ) < 1598987969 713591 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOps. Sorry for that. < 1598988236 44454 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1598989747 969342 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1598991738 89173 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it's just a cast. < 1598992372 26985 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1598992399 193505 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: using String;; chr 0x1f994 < 1598992399 193590 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'🦔🦔' < 1598993405 726750 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1598993452 333588 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1598993481 554999 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1598993582 243008 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using libicu which uses utf-16 under water always surprises. Bug fixed. < 1598994009 559480 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a program deals with both UTF-8 and UTF-16, I would suggest implementing WTF-M-8. If it works with UTF-8 only, then I would suggest at least UTF-G-8. < 1598994035 348048 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late. I already decided in the beginning on libicu. < 1598994049 295956 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how to implement all the voodoo otherwise. < 1598994062 282570 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, regexes. I wanted that too. < 1598994093 769025 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used PCRE for regular expressions. < 1598995464 610048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But PCRE expressions are not regular. < 1598995468 828914 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something like magnet: URIs but for NNTP? Such a URI should include newsgroup name and message ID, and optionally timestamp, host/port, and hash value. (I suppose only message ID is really required, but newsgroup name is recommended too.) < 1598995489 979599 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, they do things that mathematical regular expressions don't do, although these features can often be useful. < 1598995913 110199 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( let’s call them irregular expressions ) < 1598995968 232829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the 'news' URI scheme, which (unlike the 'nntp' scheme) can indicate either a specific article (via message ID), or a specific set of newsgroups (by name, with wildcards) optionally indicating a server. < 1598995979 540992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I don't think it can *both* provide a message ID and any of that other useful data (newsgroup, server, timestamp) that would make locating the message easier. It's a sad omission. < 1598996019 95531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a regular expression library with conjunction and negation. < 1598996078 477072 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, that is why I wanted it, due to that limitation. < 1598996168 837432 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: would that actually help with http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2011-04-25.1871.html ? < 1598996213 998903 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1598996220 140766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Make the expression shorter? I'm not sure. < 1598996227 778571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet there are other, easier features that would make it shorter. < 1598996246 128142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the minimal NFA for that expression look like? < 1598996288 599522 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, such as perl's feature that lets you copy a subexpression by reference. that would make it very short, because it lets you encode the, I think, 42 states of the regex and all paths among them. < 1598996313 886883 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1598996376 973964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://blog.tanyakhovanova.com/2009/08/divisibility-by-7-is-a-walk-on-a-graph-by-david-wilson/ is pretty small. < 1598996387 840942 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think there are 42 states (or 43 if you don't want to accept the empty string as a valid representation of zero), namely 7 for the reminder classes modulo 7 of the part of the number you've seen, times 6 for the 6 different positions < 1598996444 277156 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmm ok, then I guess I'm wrong, you only need 7 states? I dunno < 1598997476 597556 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you need 7 states when reading from left to right, but 42 states when reading from right to left < 1598997603 902238 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1598997673 857343 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1598998420 598093 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1598998438 988941 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1598998835 993803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you need 7 either way? < 1598998847 428226 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: dunno < 1598998853 147589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you don't need the extra power you get from complement to implement this. < 1598998863 216155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By extra power I mean an extra exponential to turn an AFA into a DFA. > 1598999561 994694 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Conveyer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77175&oldid=77148 5* 03Abbin21 5* (+69) 10 < 1599001745 423452 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599001885 347046 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: you only need 7 states no matter what < 1599001913 79597 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah. I was just wrong < 1599001957 438239 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :things get more interesting when gcd(d,b) > 1, where d is the number you're dividing by and b is the base. < 1599002021 627920 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in dividing by 8? < 1599002059 867829 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in base 10 I mean < 1599002142 445041 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, hmm. Divisibility by 8 needs 8 states either way. But from left to right it's just remainders; from right to left, you get 1 + 4 + 2 + 1 states, and maybe one more rejecting state depending on the flavor of DFA. < 1599002213 399680 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That flavor depends on whether a DFA is allowed to be partial or not) < 1599002322 798837 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, I'm doing this wrong. < 1599002475 936255 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 states are enough going from left to right. We have to keep track of whether it's divisible by 8. And then we need the remainder modulo 4. < 1599002504 702950 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and only one of those remainders allows the number to be divisible by 8, so it's 4+1 = 5 states) < 1599002631 731363 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think you also don't need all the remainders from left to right. it doesn't matter which odd number your number starts with < 1599002639 721007 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, that's what you said < 1599002641 543324 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how that diagram came to look so crappy (there's some odd outstanding pixels on the ellipse boundaries, for example) < 1599002662 651530 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Oh right. < 1599002684 906681 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it only like four states? < 1599002689 795830 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's some more collapse. < 1599002715 268601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :four states are: odd, divisible by 2 but not by 4, divisible by 4 but not by 8, divisible by 8 < 1599002727 19277 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all you need left to right < 1599002742 311701 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :One state for each for remainders 1/3/5/7, 2/6, 4, and 0. < 1599002770 834276 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that... no, I got it right. < 1599002778 987861 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 is not divisible by 8; 32 is. < 1599002786 754484 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 1 and 3 cannot be in the same state. < 1599002798 366625 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1599002807 706059 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :drat < 1599002913 504553 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow, only 4096 characters. < 1599002930 218276 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, no. Pasting went wrong. < 1599002986 687934 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 16233. So the 10793 I have is better :-) < 1599003133 188078 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for a regular expression testing divisibility by 7. Mine even excludes the empty string... for free (you can just replace the * at the end by +) < 1599003147 791444 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: post it as a comment then > 1599004039 516101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Conveyer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77176&oldid=77175 5* 03Abbin21 5* (+156) 10 > 1599004058 982009 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Conveyer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77177&oldid=77176 5* 03Abbin21 5* (+2) 10/* How it works */ < 1599005777 79383 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I gave it a shot. Won't try again, didn't leave any contact information. < 1599005786 48352 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Ping timeout: 600 seconds < 1599005814 768393 :mniip!~mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1599006168 16405 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-101-220.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599006225 92272 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:946d:66e3:629e:349a QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1599009399 987556 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Me 5* 10New user account < 1599009848 920010 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599009876 708182 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599009903 19283 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599010891 141600 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1599012773 104668 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you guys heard about the new Jace, Mirror Mage combo with Teferi's Ageless Insight? < 1599012824 871235 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 cards per turn < 1599012925 82951 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Insight replaces the draw effect, the second half doesn't go off and so Jace doesn't lose loyalty. < 1599012934 114396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either of those cards. < 1599012960 201875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, why doesn't the second half go off? < 1599012961 984956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1599012966 235246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's because the CMC is effectively zero? < 1599013008 161226 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :614.11b If an effect would have a player both draw a card and perform an additional action on that card, and the draw is replaced, the additional action is not performed on any cards that are drawn as a result of that replacement effect. < 1599013045 465011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1599013081 173356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why four and not three cards per turn? < 1599013084 895866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is it the kicker? < 1599013085 901450 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not seen those cards (or maybe I have, but do not remember). < 1599013089 67225 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the kicker < 1599013096 771351 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the just-spoiled new Jace < 1599013163 9250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a total of five cards per turn including the draw step? < 1599013169 558077 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1599013182 701141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of cards. < 1599013205 471727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Remind me, did you slay any spires? < 1599013213 977770 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long ago, I did < 1599013216 451405 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not seen it, so copy the text here so that we can see, I suppose < 1599013261 135840 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Card Name: < 1599013261 259616 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teferi's Ageless Insight < 1599013261 259659 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mana Cost: < 1599013261 259668 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2BlueBlue < 1599013261 259676 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Converted Mana Cost: < 1599013262 41516 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1599013263 623840 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Types: < 1599013265 656271 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legendary Enchantment < 1599013267 647509 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Card Text: < 1599013271 581664 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you would draw a card except the first one you draw in each of your draw steps, draw two cards instead. < 1599013283 503289 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Jace, Mirror Mage {1}{U}{U} < 1599013283 626997 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legendary Planeswalker — Jace < 1599013283 627043 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kicker {2} < 1599013283 627055 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :When Jace, Mirror Mage enters the battlefield, if Jace was kicked, create a token that’s a copy of Jace, Mirror Mage except it’s not legendary and its starting loyalty is 1. < 1599013283 730237 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1: Scry 2. < 1599013285 533864 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0: Draw a card and reveal it. Remove a number of loyalty counters equal to that card’s converted mana cost from Jace, Mirror Mage. < 1599013288 504055 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loyalty: 4 < 1599013323 563664 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next time you could use the abbreviated single line format like I do, perhaps. < 1599013340 950593 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I don't know how to get nice copy/pasteable text for cards < 1599013355 85937 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just googled them and copy/pasted from the first results I could find < 1599013394 158110 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also looks like whoever typed that has entered bad alt text for the mana symbols. Alt text is the text that should be displayed when the image isn't displayed.) < 1599013625 312626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also didn't include the flavor text. < 1599013707 543568 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is OK, though; for what you were discussing, flavor text (and art) is not relevant. < 1599013886 348730 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the abbreviated single line format that I like to use? < 1599014046 219540 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1599014337 649663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name teferi's ageless insight < 1599014338 650106 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1599014345 313202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must not be updated for M21. < 1599014353 2297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`random-card < 1599014354 117061 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desert of the True \ Land -- Desert \ Desert of the True enters the battlefield tapped. \ {T}: Add {W}. \ Cycling {1}{W} ({1}{W}, Discard this card: Draw a card.) \ HOU-C < 1599017119 319041 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat, there goes the moneyz again. Anything else to look forward to? < 1599017130 872432 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check the spoilers. < 1599019377 995304 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599019447 838811 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1599022165 305664 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599022187 387205 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599023007 417398 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to construct a va_list dynamically in C? < 1599023290 286884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a portable way to do it. < 1599023297 368926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably you can make one based on the ABI. < 1599023345 904352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also do something like http://www.talchas.net/tape.c < 1599024519 780203 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How common was it in various periods of history (including now) for someone to learn to read and write Latin but not to speak Latin (although they could speak other languages)? < 1599025857 800846 :diverger!~div@199.36.221.86 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1599025960 167299 :diverger!~div@31.171.152.196 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599026288 883116 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1599026455 977442 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kdqspjdspdmvklvb QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599026587 417159 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mkoexvdgjqmpjxtb JOIN :#esoteric < 1599027283 573366 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1599029149 870204 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1599029479 415995 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1599029682 103070 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599029841 387224 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599031733 124674 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1599031920 717240 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1599032305 919617 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599032422 806826 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1599033801 202208 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1599034815 819054 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599038554 551577 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1599038572 574871 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1599039428 639342 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1599040509 526154 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-101-220.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599040526 53594 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:801d:8c5:ab59:e04e JOIN :#esoteric < 1599040541 840931 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: http://www.madore.org/cgi-bin/comment.pl/showcomments?href=http%3a%2f%2fwww.madore.org%2f~david%2fweblog%2f2011-04.html%23d.2011-04-25.1871#comment-27034 < 1599040568 274290 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(funny link, hmm) < 1599040611 80650 :Sinthorion!4e23b2be@xdsl-78-35-178-190.nc.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1599040964 873367 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1599041521 787155 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/75326 ties yours < 1599041712 14517 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kritixilithos: I love being second... :P < 1599041857 623166 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kritixilithos: But I wasn't aware of that post. I stumbled across this problem near the end of last year because somebody posted https://github.com/olligobber/DivisibilityRegex which isn't quite optimal. Not sure where that happened; ##math is my guess. < 1599041871 657482 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it could also have been here; the logs could tell :P < 1599041997 199163 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did bring it up here, but I still think it started on ##math. https://esolangs.org/logs/2019-11-02.html#lle < 1599042232 579226 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: nice < 1599042296 911669 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kritixilithos: oh! so it's already on golf.se. I'll definitely link that then < 1599042341 858373 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, that shows the short PCRE solution using the recursion extension < 1599042367 305536 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether that method for converting FAs to regular expressions is published. It's rather obvious (I think) so I'm not surprised that somebody else is using it too. < 1599042434 296809 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/75326 ties yours < 1599042443 160653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kritixilithos: deja vu < 1599042467 532664 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops that was accidental < 1599042503 543426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: "recursion extension", is that what it's called? < 1599042557 78447 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, should ask a search engine... leaning towards "no". < 1599042559 419289 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I don't know, I'd have to look at old versions of perl's manpages to know the canonical name, but it allows you to describe context-free grammars using recusions, which was I think the original goal, like describing nested parenthesis < 1599042620 997002 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the strange thing is, David Madore's post isn't even from like 1997, preceding the whole SE, it's only older by a few months than the Golf SE post < 1599042624 23929 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1599042701 247441 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact, it looks like the Golf SE post is motivated by code on github that is even older than David's post < 1599042701 784684 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe somebody asked several people that question around the time < 1599043499 881406 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: okay, posted it as a comment < 1599043771 539918 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kritixilithos: we cross-posted then < 1599043775 116994 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1599044195 823619 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist https://pbfcomics.com/comics/lucky-day/ < 1599044197 531731 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist https://pbfcomics.com/comics/lucky-day/: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion b_jonas Cale < 1599044703 775719 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599045162 327511 :Sinthorion!4e23b2be@xdsl-78-35-178-190.nc.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone ever formalised some definition of "IO complete"/"perfect IO", ie. the ability of a machine to read and print any given string, with the output depending on the input? < 1599045405 877939 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people are generally satisfied with the idea that any given string can be mapped to a natural number, and that there exist functions that take natural numbers to natural numbers, and some of those functions can be computed by Turing machine < 1599045752 571911 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sinthorion: interactive or non-interactive? < 1599045814 571938 :Sinthorion!4e23b2be@xdsl-78-35-178-190.nc.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-interactive is enough < 1599045841 6598 :Sinthorion!4e23b2be@xdsl-78-35-178-190.nc.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :we talked about this a bit on the esolangs discord server < 1599045951 775114 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599046006 363443 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1599046623 41156 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1599047483 815655 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599049055 701271 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599049737 776199 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599049798 288503 :Sinthorion!4e23b2be@xdsl-78-35-178-190.nc.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599051976 731474 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599052949 904909 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599052975 966131 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599053315 964670 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how mostrous would be an esolang which uses a generalized Minsky machine operating on Haskell-like strings, as there would be a end-of-string constructor and a constructor *for each Unicode codepoint*, and the primitive recursion operator takes such many arguments. Of course one could cheat and make so that it takes only several explicit arguments and all others are taken to be (λx1 … xn. "") but as I said that’s not the s < 1599053316 108747 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :pirit at all < 1599053316 108805 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I mixed GMM with generalized recursive functions. They are almost one and the same, in GMM instead of recursion operator we’d have a destructor which takes one input register and a hell of output registers, one for each constructor, and also the same number of continuation states. We can cheat the same way here, specifying a “default” continuation state and a “default” output register, and again I would be against doing < 1599053316 108821 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that :P the tarpit should remain a tarpit < 1599053401 199722 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, there's always one more tiny thing to do before I declare the interpreter beta. < 1599053875 112213 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursaga < 1599053896 9506 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599055483 652349 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: what does declaring it beta actually mean? < 1599055511 751664 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the egel interpreter that is < 1599056229 927326 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1599056778 775395 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I feel confident about the core functionality of the rewriter, and that the interpreter is in a good enough stage. Basically, that I wouldn't expect any show stoppers anymore. < 1599056781 213938 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599057065 584270 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( beta is where software goes to die ) < 1599057104 973268 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's barely alive anyway! < 1599057125 875852 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :undead software! < 1599058083 985649 :Mirage48!6d4219c2@bzq-109-66-25-194.red.bezeqint.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599058088 988349 :Mirage48!6d4219c2@bzq-109-66-25-194.red.bezeqint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1599058723 540142 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599059142 624809 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1213 < 1599059144 63373 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1213.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1599059637 146089 :Mirage48!6d4219c2@bzq-109-66-25-194.red.bezeqint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's something i made o a whim < 1599059638 755782 :Mirage48!6d4219c2@bzq-109-66-25-194.red.bezeqint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MowrMowr is ran on an infinte 2-dimensional lawn that is not mown (all 1s) . Wile the mower is on, moving over unmown grass will mow it (turn it into a 0).If there is any input, the bits of the input are formed into an-odd length square centered around the mower in reading order. Extra cells are unmowed (1)Note that the main chore (program) loops < 1599059639 373541 :Mirage48!6d4219c2@bzq-109-66-25-194.red.bezeqint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you have a break. After all, it is an infinite lawn.Mowr supports the following commands.` - Pushes the mower forward.LR - Turns the mower left/right.! - Switches the mower on/off (default off)? - Turns the mower left if the mower is on mown grass, otherwise turns right.O - outputs the bit the mower is on. If on the initial cell, finish < 1599059639 787027 :Mirage48!6d4219c2@bzq-109-66-25-194.red.bezeqint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mowing the lawn (halt without outputting.).() - Delimits a subchore (loop) Escaped the same way as the main chore. < 1599059718 37900 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really nice! < 1599059721 576268 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link? < 1599059804 729378 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : undead software! => but maybe that’s only after gamma < 1599059862 338951 :Mirage48!6d4219c2@bzq-109-66-25-194.red.bezeqint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't made anything yet < 1599059866 457414 :Mirage48!6d4219c2@bzq-109-66-25-194.red.bezeqint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11 < 1599059880 719145 :Mirage48!6d4219c2@bzq-109-66-25-194.red.bezeqint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just putting down ideas < 1599059895 717362 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mirage48: that... might work, I dunno. the loop condition seems suspicious. but I don't understand why you flavor this as mowing, since there are no stones or other obstacles. < 1599059967 253886 :Mirage48!6d4219c2@bzq-109-66-25-194.red.bezeqint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an idea that popped into my head < 1599059983 264517 :Mirage48!6d4219c2@bzq-109-66-25-194.red.bezeqint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The inital cell is where the ch\ore was stated, just to clarify < 1599059988 70890 :Mirage48!6d4219c2@bzq-109-66-25-194.red.bezeqint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chore < 1599060130 190226 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? but that's even worse! < 1599060148 674571 :Mirage48!6d4219c2@bzq-109-66-25-194.red.bezeqint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know < 1599060162 969413 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe what we need is actually a Clifford-algebraic language. Like, you take an algebra of dimension the same as input length, and generator vectors having squares ±1 depending on the corresponding bit of the input. Now, a program can’t be a term of a fixed size as that won’t be able to process arbitrary-length input. Instead, one can write something like a convolution kernel. Hm but how exactly… < 1599060192 509758 :Mirage48!6d4219c2@bzq-109-66-25-194.red.bezeqint.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1599060205 258782 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly! < 1599060224 396430 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clifford algebras are the absolute best in the world < 1599060273 275072 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, sorry, but this half-idea may be promising < 1599060307 38612 :tchibo!6d51d019@dynamic-109-81-208-25.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1599060315 305866 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also a horror to implrment. The algebra for N generators has dimension 2^N < 1599060341 847603 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it one uses it sufficiently fully, the implementor couldn’t cheat < 1599060350 450970 :tchibo!6d51d019@dynamic-109-81-208-25.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi people < 1599060362 616910 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome tchibo < 1599060366 476978 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07tchibo: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09EFnet 02or 06DALnet.) < 1599060457 653419 :tchibo!6d51d019@dynamic-109-81-208-25.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx, not a mistake < 1599060563 146412 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about an esolang that uses naive datetimes and requires somehow that they ambiguously reference UTC times. So that programs only have meaning if they are run during that hour in the autumn before the clocks are set back. < 1599060634 677400 :tchibo!6d51d019@dynamic-109-81-208-25.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just registered on the wiki to introduce my first language, not very esoteric, was curious if there is life on the chat < 1599060656 103711 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: is that like 2014? < 1599060718 570893 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, it's exacly like 2014, for some value of 2014 < 1599060784 108562 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599060833 489975 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: 9-5 # because of b_jonas I reversed a decision and implemented normal monadic min behavior again. < 1599060833 490036 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1599060884 904360 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelobt: 9+5 < 1599060891 641379 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 9+5 < 1599060892 179441 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 14 < 1599060899 701887 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: 9+5 < 1599060899 830361 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 < 1599060973 954621 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: -1 < 1599060974 100649 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 < 1599061028 38403 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :tchibo: there is. Though it’s highly irregular. May be a day or two in silence, only esowiki dumping page modifications < 1599061060 943595 :tchibo!6d51d019@dynamic-109-81-208-25.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1599061165 451611 :tchibo!6d51d019@dynamic-109-81-208-25.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :my kingdom for a charger < 1599061249 623910 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I’m ready to dump my Clifford algebra idea on the wiki but I don’t want to analyze what computational complexity it will give < 1599061451 921734 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of charger? < 1599061474 874600 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what kingdom? < 1599062751 858971 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 > 1599063086 571150 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cyclifford14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77178 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+1491) 10Created page with "'''Cyclifford''' is a silly idea of a language by [[User:arseniiv]], based on [[wikipedia:Clifford algebra|Clifford algebra]]s. The program is an expression consisting of int..." < 1599063147 232044 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :of int-e no less < 1599063163 631623 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one will know for sure until reads the article mwhahahah > 1599063373 385404 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Arseniiv14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77179&oldid=74975 5* 03Arseniiv 5* (+90) 10book-keeping < 1599063828 21067 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599064405 37236 :Mirage48!6d4219c2@bzq-109-66-25-194.red.bezeqint.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1599065390 107194 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599065505 190840 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599065505 341597 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1599067059 133487 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599067143 831907 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599067298 832192 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599067303 801585 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: val myglobal = ref 0;; setref myglobal [X->X]; getref myglobal "hello all" #no language is feature complete without global variables < 1599067303 801660 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello all" < 1599067767 322744 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric > 1599068298 531976 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:SunnyMoon14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77180&oldid=77169 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+49) 10School update. > 1599068386 705984 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:SunnyMoon14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77181&oldid=77180 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+0) 10Grammatical Wiki error. < 1599068455 271310 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: oh, arbitrary mutable references? < 1599068462 65422 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes this MUCH more powerful > 1599068571 63227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Anyfix14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77182&oldid=67569 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-1) 10What are you doing here, paranthesis? < 1599069038 900837 :tchibo!6d51d019@dynamic-109-81-208-25.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599069045 694918 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599069121 882277 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599069452 609384 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599071053 675649 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1599071181 896239 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599071203 727306 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599071213 315682 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599073436 278086 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1599073872 343842 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1599073891 35751 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599074441 70981 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1599074914 234966 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599075285 974878 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, power is what I crave. < 1599075318 282986 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ref, setref, getref? I might try that < 1599075576 534689 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah. No cycles though. < 1599075591 516174 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it no cycles? < 1599075600 722195 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am confident you can work around that. < 1599075621 256125 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [R -> setref R R] (ref 0) < 1599075621 359381 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1599075623 245363 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you can do cycles. But then the structures won't gc. < 1599075635 264356 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok, that makes more sense < 1599075677 998979 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try a stress test locally and see how fast egel can leak. < 1599075699 429573 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a bit of abuse isn't that bad. < 1599076373 381714 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what I expected except that you don't really notice for small shortlived scripts. And that egel is slow. < 1599076376 571630 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah well. < 1599076598 787665 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pffrt, how do you measure how much memory a process consumed on linux. Something simpler than valgrind. < 1599076603 37739 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1599076690 683661 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language is this? < 1599076698 214728 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egel. < 1599076703 595683 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: agitprop < 1599076703 595745 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :visit https://egel-lang.github.io/ < 1599079257 953108 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1599081204 992528 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def listrev_a = [ S nil -> S| S (cons A D) -> listrev_a (cons A S) D ];; def listrev = listrev_a {};; listrev {8,2,13,59,75} < 1599081205 136635 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{75, 59, 13, 2, 8} < 1599081494 702103 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. I tried to analyze your script and didn't get any further that you like accumulators. < 1599081583 868551 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a challenge: read it and weep https://github.com/egel-lang/egel/blob/master/examples/bintrees.eg < 1599081596 575195 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: well it's an eager pure functional language. at least it was, until you added this new mutability feature. I have to program it like an eager functional programming language. < 1599081601 374524 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: data mcons;; data mnil;; data mhdr;; def mempty = [N -> ref (mhdr N N)] (ref mnil);; def mpush = [A H -> [(mhdr F T) U -> setref T (mcons A U); setref H (mhdr F U) | _ _ -> throw "error mpush"] (getref H) (ref mnil) ];; def munlist = [H -> [(mhdr F _) -> listrev ([R N -> R R {} N] [R P mnil -> A | R P (cons A D) -> R R (cons A P) (getref D) -> | _ _ _ -> error "munlist" ] (getref F)) ] ] < 1599081601 374567 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal:1:346:syntactical:] expected < 1599081607 270741 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(getref H) ];; "ok" < 1599081619 497159 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: data mcons;; data mnil;; data mhdr;; def mempty = [N -> ref (mhdr N N)] (ref mnil);; def mpush = [A H -> [(mhdr F T) U -> setref T (mcons A U); setref H (mhdr F U) | _ _ -> throw "error mpush"] (getref H) (ref mnil) ];; "ok" < 1599081619 497208 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ok" < 1599081735 948117 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def munlist = [H -> [(mhdr F _) -> [R N -> listrev (R R {} N)] [R P mnil -> A | R P (cons A D) -> R R (cons A P) (getref D) -> | _ _ _ -> error "munlist" ] (getref F) | _ -> throw "munlist h" ] (getref H) ];; "ok" < 1599081736 92597 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal:1:126:syntactical:] expected < 1599081771 480831 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def munlist = [H -> [(mhdr F _) -> [R N -> listrev (R R {} N)] [R P mnil -> A | R P (cons A D) -> R R (cons A P) (getref D) | _ _ _ -> error "munlist" ] (getref F) | _ -> throw "munlist h" ] (getref H) ];; "ok" < 1599081771 604321 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal:1:78:semantical:undeclared A < 1599081779 546779 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def munlist = [H -> [(mhdr F _) -> [R N -> listrev (R R {} N)] [R P mnil -> P | R P (cons A D) -> R R (cons A P) (getref D) | _ _ _ -> error "munlist" ] (getref F) | _ -> throw "munlist h" ] (getref H) ];; "ok" < 1599081779 670234 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal:1:137:semantical:undeclared error < 1599081788 548174 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def munlist = [H -> [(mhdr F _) -> [R N -> listrev (R R {} N)] [R P mnil -> P | R P (cons A D) -> R R (cons A P) (getref D) | _ _ _ -> throw "munlist" ] (getref F) | _ -> throw "munlist h" ] (getref H) ];; "ok" < 1599081788 548239 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ok" < 1599081806 361913 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: mempty < 1599081806 361968 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1599081809 288720 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: getref mempty < 1599081809 288762 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mhdr ) < 1599081868 190653 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [M -> mpush 8 M; mpush 22 M; mpush 13 M; mpush 59 M; mpush 75 M; munlist M] mempty < 1599081868 190713 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception("munlist") < 1599081913 744912 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def munlist = [H -> [(mhdr F _) -> [R N -> listrev (R R {} N)] [R P mnil -> P | R P (cons A D) -> R R (cons A P) (getref D) | _ NN PP -> throw ("munlist",NN,PP) ] (getref F) | _ -> throw "munlist h" ] (getref H) ];; "ok" < 1599081913 868335 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ok" < 1599081917 844309 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [M -> mpush 8 M; mpush 22 M; mpush 13 M; mpush 59 M; mpush 75 M; munlist M] mempty < 1599081917 947481 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception(("munlist", {}, (mcons 8 ))) < 1599081926 763460 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcons, right < 1599081938 36659 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def munlist = [H -> [(mhdr F _) -> [R N -> listrev (R R {} N)] [R P mnil -> P | R P (mcons A D) -> R R (cons A P) (getref D) | _ NN PP -> throw ("munlist",NN,PP) ] (getref F) | _ -> throw "munlist h" ] (getref H) ];; "ok" < 1599081938 36733 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ok" < 1599081942 406881 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [M -> mpush 8 M; mpush 22 M; mpush 13 M; mpush 59 M; mpush 75 M; munlist M] mempty < 1599081942 406925 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{8, 22, 13, 59, 75} < 1599081945 552231 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1599082061 798480 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1599082079 813635 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def mextend = [nil H -> nop | (cons A D) H -> mpush A H; mextend D H | _ _-> throw "mextend" ];; mlist = [M L -> mextend L M; M] mempty < 1599082079 813700 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal:1:105:syntactical:= unexpected < 1599082085 811338 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def mextend = [nil H -> nop | (cons A D) H -> mpush A H; mextend D H | _ _-> throw "mextend" ];; def mlist = [M L -> mextend L M; M] mempty < 1599082098 484807 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: munlist mlist {8,22,13,59,75} < 1599082098 484861 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception("System:getref bad arguments") < 1599082112 530717 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: mlist {8,22,13,59,75} < 1599082112 530776 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1599082118 767286 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: getref (mlist {8,22,13,59,75}) < 1599082118 891131 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mhdr ) < 1599082130 921895 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [F T -> (getref F, getref T)] getref (mlist {8,22,13,59,75}) < 1599082131 42123 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception("System:getref bad arguments") < 1599082138 423765 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [(mhdr F T) -> (getref F, getref T)] getref (mlist {8,22,13,59,75}) < 1599082138 568560 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Local:Dummy170 System:getref ) < 1599082160 539539 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [(mhdr F T) -> (getref F, getref T)] (getref (mlist {8,22,13,59,75})) < 1599082160 539607 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :((mcons 8 ), mnil) < 1599082160 786706 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure you gain much by using an accumulator. I have the feeling it just changes the order of calculations. Need to check that once. < 1599082172 64739 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But watching a movie and profiling. < 1599082183 819863 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: I wouldn't gain much *now* when I could just use mutability everywhere < 1599082201 764776 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need to use pure structures anymore, so it's possible to dispense with accumulators < 1599082214 896877 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wrote that program when it was a pure language < 1599082217 226007 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :please consider that < 1599082227 129139 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you even said you don't really want to add mutability < 1599082232 909146 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, sure. I was thinking about that program. < 1599082268 460032 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should matter in memory consumption but not much in performance, I have the feeling now. < 1599082271 243911 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's an eager pure functional language, you hvae to use accumulators < 1599082280 973206 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ut < 1599082298 203492 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh gawd. I am going back to watching this movie. < 1599082316 26760 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [(mhdr F T) -> (getref F, getref T)] (getref (mlist {8,22,13,59,75})) < 1599082316 26821 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :((mcons 8 ), mnil) < 1599082427 98478 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [MA, MD, (mhdr F T) -> MA F] [N -> [(mcons A D)->D] (getref N)] [N -> [(mcons A D)->A] (getref N)] (getref (mlist {8,22,13,59,75})) < 1599082427 98547 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal:1:5:syntactical:-> expected < 1599082448 321673 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [MA MD (mhdr F T) -> MA F] [N -> [(mcons A D)->D] (getref N)] [N -> [(mcons A D)->A] (getref N)] (getref (mlist {8,22,13,59,75})) < 1599082448 321735 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1599082454 773706 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1599082470 78021 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [MD MA (mhdr F T) -> MA F] [N -> [(mcons A D)->D] (getref N)] [N -> [(mcons A D)->A] (getref N)] (getref (mlist {8,22,13,59,75})) < 1599082470 78080 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1599082473 80697 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :better < 1599082476 48796 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [MD MA (mhdr F T) -> MA MD F] [N -> [(mcons A D)->D] (getref N)] [N -> [(mcons A D)->A] (getref N)] (getref (mlist {8,22,13,59,75})) < 1599082476 48839 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception("System:getref bad arguments") < 1599082481 754817 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [MD MA (mhdr F T) -> MD F] [N -> [(mcons A D)->D] (getref N)] [N -> [(mcons A D)->A] (getref N)] (getref (mlist {8,22,13,59,75})) < 1599082481 754881 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1599082488 367784 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [MD MA (mhdr F T) -> getref (MD F)] [N -> [(mcons A D)->D] (getref N)] [N -> [(mcons A D)->A] (getref N)] (getref (mlist {8,22,13,59,75})) < 1599082488 367844 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mcons 22 ) < 1599082492 289076 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [MD MA (mhdr F T) -> MA (MD F)] [N -> [(mcons A D)->D] (getref N)] [N -> [(mcons A D)->A] (getref N)] (getref (mlist {8,22,13,59,75})) < 1599082492 289157 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 < 1599082496 81037 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [MD MA (mhdr F T) -> MD (MD F)] [N -> [(mcons A D)->D] (getref N)] [N -> [(mcons A D)->A] (getref N)] (getref (mlist {8,22,13,59,75})) < 1599082496 81098 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1599082504 378563 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [MD MA (mhdr F T) -> getref (MD (MD F))] [N -> [(mcons A D)->D] (getref N)] [N -> [(mcons A D)->A] (getref N)] (getref (mlist {8,22,13,59,75})) < 1599082504 378618 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mcons 13 ) < 1599082509 546619 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [MD MA (mhdr F T) -> getref (MD (MD (MD F)))] [N -> [(mcons A D)->D] (getref N)] [N -> [(mcons A D)->A] (getref N)] (getref (mlist {8,22,13,59,75})) < 1599082509 656886 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mcons 59 ) < 1599082515 402206 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [MD MA (mhdr F T) -> getref (MD (MD (MD (MD F))))] [N -> [(mcons A D)->D] (getref N)] [N -> [(mcons A D)->A] (getref N)] (getref (mlist {8,22,13,59,75})) < 1599082515 402259 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mcons 75 ) < 1599082522 130363 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [MD MA (mhdr F T) -> getref (MD (MD (MD (MD (MD F)))))] [N -> [(mcons A D)->D] (getref N)] [N -> [(mcons A D)->A] (getref N)] (getref (mlist {8,22,13,59,75})) < 1599082522 130433 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnil < 1599082527 146761 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what's the problem? < 1599082546 560176 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: munlist (mlist {8,22,13,59,75}) < 1599082546 663184 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{8, 22, 13, 59, 75} < 1599082556 400578 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wasn't that working before? < 1599082579 683746 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1599082582 176133 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was missing the paren < 1599082585 846783 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1599083404 48953 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1599083750 503477 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599083939 776101 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599083993 94697 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1599083999 442107 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1599084215 872379 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1599086443 314835 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599087314 415919 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:cd35:b04a:a3ee:43ce JOIN :#esoteric < 1599087506 37618 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:801d:8c5:ab59:e04e QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599087861 971801 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: mprime_i = [C M->[R(mhdr F _)->R R (getref F)] [R (mcons A D)-> [true _->true| _ true->false| _ _->R R (getref D) ] (0==(C%A)) (Cthrow"error mprime_i"] M];; "ok" < 1599087862 116680 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal:1:11:syntactical:= unexpected < 1599087865 970821 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def mprime_i = [C M->[R(mhdr F _)->R R (getref F)] [R (mcons A D)-> [true _->true| _ true->false| _ _->R R (getref D) ] (0==(C%A)) (Cthrow"error mprime_i"] M];; "ok" < 1599087866 86590 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ok" < 1599087893 44309 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: mprime_i 12 (mlist{2,3,5,7,11}) < 1599087893 188480 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Local:mprime_i0 (Local:mprime_i2 12) ) < 1599087960 95592 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def mprime_i = [C M->[R(mhdr F _)->R R (getref F)|_ _->throw"error mprime_i h"] [R (mcons A D)-> [true _->true| _ true->false| _ _->R R (getref D) ] (0==(C%A)) (Cthrow"error mprime_i"] M];; "ok" < 1599087960 199086 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ok" < 1599087964 130708 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: mprime_i 12 (mlist{2,3,5,7,11}) < 1599087964 254262 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception("error mprime_i h") < 1599088027 946281 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1599088062 967031 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't get it < 1599088095 764488 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def mprime_i = [C M->[R(mhdr F _)->R R (getref F)|_ _->throw("error mprime_i h",] [R (mcons A D)-> [true _->true| _ true->false| _ _->R R (getref D) ] (0==(C%A)) (Cthrow"error mprime_i"](getref M)];; "ok" < 1599088095 887767 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal:1:82:syntactical:primary expression expected < 1599088120 726906 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def mprime_i = [C M->[R(mhdr F _)->R R (getref F)|_ _->throw"error mprime_i h"] [R (mcons A D)-> [true _->true| _ true->false| _ _->R R (getref D) ] (0==(C%A)) (Cthrow"error mprime_i"] (getref M)];; "ok" < 1599088120 726979 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ok" < 1599088126 195059 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: mprime_i 12 (mlist{2,3,5,7,11}) < 1599088126 318696 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :System:true < 1599088129 526738 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: mprime_i 13 (mlist{2,3,5,7,11}) < 1599088129 652957 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :System:false < 1599088131 753774 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: mprime_i 14 (mlist{2,3,5,7,11}) < 1599088131 753835 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :System:true < 1599088134 469403 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: mprime_i 15 (mlist{2,3,5,7,11}) < 1599088134 469443 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :System:true < 1599088138 390399 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: mprime_i 17 (mlist{2,3,5,7,11}) < 1599088138 390439 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :System:false < 1599088142 321357 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: mprime_i 19 (mlist{2,3,5,7,11}) < 1599088142 321395 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :System:false < 1599088144 346551 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: mprime_i 21 (mlist{2,3,5,7,11}) < 1599088144 463121 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :System:true < 1599088151 87914 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so < 1599088556 745781 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: mprime = [M B->[R->R R 3] [R F-> [true-> [true->mpush F M| _->nop] (mprime_i F M); R R (1+F) |_->munlist M] (F[R->R R 3] [R F-> [true-> [true->mpush F M| _->nop] (mprime_i F M); R R (1+F) |_->munlist M] (F[R->R R 3] [R F-> [true-> [true->mpush F M| _->"irrelevant"] (mprime_i F M); R R (1+F) |_->munlist M] (F[R->R R 3] [R F-> [true-> [true->mpush F M| _->"?"] (mprime_i F M); R R (1+F) |_->munlist M] (F[R->R R 3] [R F-> [true-> [true->mpush F M| _->"?"] (mprime_i F M); R R (1+F) |_->munlist M] (F[R->R R 3] [R F-> [true-> [false->mpush F M| _->"?"] (mprime_i F M); R R (1+F) |_->munlist M] (F [ true M->M| _ nil->nil| _ (cons A D)->listdrop (-1+N)D| _ _->throw "error listdrop list" ] (N<=0) S ] < 1599088842 21500 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def listdrop = [N S -> [ true M->M| _ nil->nil| _ (cons A D)->listdrop (-1+N)D| _ _->throw "error listdrop list" ] (N<=0) S ];; ok < 1599088842 21562 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal:1:130:semantical:undeclared ok < 1599088845 145280 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def listdrop = [N S -> [ true M->M| _ nil->nil| _ (cons A D)->listdrop (-1+N)D| _ _->throw "error listdrop list" ] (N<=0) S ];; "ok" < 1599088845 145349 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ok" < 1599088856 97954 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: ping < 1599088856 98011 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal:1:2:semantical:undeclared ping < 1599088866 166945 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: data pong;; def ping = pong;; ping < 1599088866 167018 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1599088868 461884 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: ping < 1599088868 585393 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1599088874 107824 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: ping "hello" < 1599088874 231564 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pong "hello") < 1599088922 261520 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def listlen_a = [P nil->P| P (cons A D)->listlen(1+P)D| _->throw"error listlen" ];; def listlen = listlen_a 0;; "ok" < 1599088922 384920 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal:1:43:semantical:undeclared listlen < 1599088952 129854 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def listlen_a = [P nil->P| P (cons A D)->listlen_a(1+P)D| _->throw"error listlen" ];; def listlen = listlen_a 0;; "ok" < 1599088952 129915 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ok" < 1599088990 944601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [L-> listdrop (-40+(listlen L)) L] (mprime 1000) < 1599088991 314980 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{727, 733, 739, 743, 751, 757, 761, 769, 773, 787, 797, 809, 811, 821, 823, 827, 829, 839, 853, 857, 859, 863, 877, 881, 883, 887, 907, 911, 919, 929, 937, 941, 947, 953, 967, 971, 977, 983, 991, 997} < 1599089002 212126 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [L-> listdrop (-40+(listlen L)) L] (mprime (1<<16)) < 1599089041 555076 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{65099, 65101, 65111, 65119, 65123, 65129, 65141, 65147, 65167, 65171, 65173, 65179, 65183, 65203, 65213, 65239, 65257, 65267, 65269, 65287, 65293, 65309, 65323, 65327, 65353, 65357, 65371, 65381, 65393, 65407, 65413, 65419, 65423, 65437, 65447, 65449, 65479, 65497, 65519, 65521} < 1599089098 481230 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ p:(_40+i.40)+ (p:^_1) 65536 < 1599089098 976304 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |domain error < 1599089098 976349 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | p:(_40+i.40)+( p:^_1)65536 < 1599089115 988885 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ (p:^_1) 65536 < 1599089116 484729 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |domain error < 1599089116 484776 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | ( p:^_1)65536 < 1599089128 527681 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ (p:) 6000 < 1599089129 79775 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 59369 < 1599089136 226679 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ p:(_40+i.40)+ (p:^:_1) 65536 < 1599089136 674912 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 65099 65101 65111 65119 65123 65129 65141 65147 65167 65171 65173 65179 65183 65203 65213 65239 65257 65267 65269 65287 65293 65309 65323 65327 65353 65357 65371 65381 65393 65407 65413 65419 65423 65437 65447 65449 65479 65497 65519 65521 < 1599089161 679324 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ s=: 65099, 65101, 65111, 65119, 65123, 65129, 65141, 65147, 65167, 65171, 65173, 65179, 65183, 65203, 65213, 65239, 65257, 65267, 65269, 65287, 65293, 65309, 65323, 65327, 65353, 65357, 65371, 65381, 65393, 65407, 65413, 65419, 65423, 65437, 65447, 65449, 65479, 65497, 65519, 65521 < 1599089162 236618 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |ok < 1599089166 737889 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ s-: p:(_40+i.40)+ (p:^:_1) 65536 < 1599089167 271742 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: 1 < 1599089168 399204 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1599089180 444326 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: mutabile boxes seem to work < 1599089226 349732 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are not a lot I could do wrong there. But thanks for testing it. Helps a lot. < 1599089246 842107 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think? Slow but correct? < 1599089275 213055 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: well it certainly seems to work < 1599089321 850386 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah. I'll move it to beta next. I think. Which doesn't mean a lot except that I'll change some texts on websites. < 1599089481 702114 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: what are your future plans? mutable vectors? a list sorting primitive function in the library implemented in C++, plus a few helper wrapper data constructors that have funny comparison rules (at least one that compares backwards)? proper format (sprintf) functions so we can print numbers in ways other than the default format? I'm asking these because these are much easier to implement as < 1599089481 848660 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :built-ins than trying to write them in egel < 1599089547 83588 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: oh and also, do you have more integer primitives? like wrapping addition and subtraction, unsigned less and lessequal, wrapping multiplication, unsigned high multiplication, signed high multiplication, index of first bit? < 1599089583 912652 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those too fall in the category of things that are much easier to write in C++ than in egel. < 1599089595 224715 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe egel-bot improvements? < 1599089611 350671 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFI through templates. < 1599089639 146964 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, more protection so you can't easily flood the channel with a [R->R R][R->print"spam";R R] < 1599089640 505894 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if I have a sluggish interpreter I want it to be easy to bind to C/C++. < 1599089650 412703 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's interesting too < 1599089675 44669 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, won't work on the bot. The bot is mostly there to show you can embed egel in a C++ application. < 1599089693 604651 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599089702 197336 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1599089753 884325 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is to have something as an alternative to building your own DSL. Just use Egel and toss in some combinators. < 1599089777 809094 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not entirely unique, of course. Lisp/Python is good at that too. < 1599089792 63843 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But those are not Egel! < 1599089926 276697 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a start of that here: https://github.com/egel-lang/egel/tree/master/contrib/ffi < 1599091592 199129 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeb finds screw attack < 1599091599 322283 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, wrong channel < 1599092071 832092 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a profile of a bintrees benchmark: https://pastebin.com/tLEpdApj < 1599092116 688168 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different kind of thing good for a different purpose of programming language, depending what DSL you are making, I think. < 1599092269 827820 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah. I won't claim you should always choose this as a solution. And certainly not at the moment. But could be nice. < 1599092398 652548 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe sometimes; I don't know. < 1599092501 464114 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, ah well, dreams. THere's a good chance I'll declare it beta, shelf it, and sit on it for another year. It isn't supposed to be work. < 1599092727 836412 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I just invent my own DSL for the specific use of something, and other times won't need a DSL, due to something else being available, etc. < 1599092804 9522 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :GG < 1599092816 891423 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. I do recommend anyone Lua/Lisp/Python over Egel at the moment. But the last time I tried to compare Egel to Python, the latter ran out of stack space after 900 recursive calls. < 1599092833 892410 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, there just might be a case. Sluggish, but robust. < 1599092929 658342 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :grapple below croc, bombs at croc, high jump at croc! < 1599092939 866166 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, wrong channel still < 1599092941 913749 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1599093053 27999 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599093055 890577 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599093084 19059 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599093206 289452 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: sgdq or something? I see super metroid. < 1599093235 689741 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: not SGDQ, that has ended already < 1599093257 737149 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, super metroid < 1599093284 783459 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a super metroid race I don't know about. < 1599093456 58327 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: an exhibition match of super metroid randomizer accessible (SMRAT) between the winners of the two brackets of the tournament < 1599093465 124086 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on twitch channel Speedrunnersarena < 1599093472 145696 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :third match of best of five starting soon < 1599094114 560990 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1599094184 223663 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recently, for doing some calculations I am using JavaScript code. Know that you can write something like const {abs,max,min,sqrt}=Math; in order to put some functions in the scope to avoid needing the prefix each time. (For some reason, I only thought to start doing that recently.) < 1599094225 351267 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, specifically in Node.js, you can write something like: module.exports[require("util").inspect.custom]=()=>`documentation goes here` in case you want documentation displayed when a module is imported into the REPL. < 1599094243 15518 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, I believe JS is a pretty good language. < 1599094272 957446 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a lot of languages allow that. in C++, using std::abs; using std::min; using std::max; using std::sqrt; in python it's from math import sqrt; (the other three are in the prelude); etc < 1599094295 958839 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. There are some features I dislike (such as automatic semicolon insertion), but it is mostly good, I think. < 1599094302 721996 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can pull in symbols from other packages in rust too < 1599094344 102062 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPEEED < 1599094477 34568 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing I don't like about JS is the amount of typing you need to do sometimes. But I'll wager they already fixed that. < 1599094478 363369 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599094567 77608 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, JS has lambdas. < 1599094698 541406 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is good some of the newer things they have added, such as typed arrays, arrow functions, generator functions, and integers. < 1599094751 663640 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. https://z-pattern-matching.github.io/ < 1599095040 970141 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1599095306 214650 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I read that the implementation of integers requires the left and right operands of many operators to be of the same type (floating or integers); I think that it should not be required for the bit shifting operators (using the type of the left operand as the result type in these cases, instead). Also, last time I checked, there wasn't functions for ctz and popcount and stuff like that. < 1599095596 763701 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More food for thought. I am gonna play mtg now. < 1599095599 937624 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o/ < 1599096347 783766 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are adding new things to JavaScript, but I think some improvements could be made to some other programming languages too, including PostScript, such as alpha transparency, auto-allocation (e.g. when you want to read a line of unknown length from a file), FFI, better string handling, shebang line, Z buffering, etc. < 1599096526 501532 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What cards are you playing? < 1599096604 416001 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was a bit boring. I didn't have a nice Boros deck at the moment so I played Red Aggro to just get the dailies out of the way. < 1599096696 181505 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Postscript well but I thought it is doing its job? < 1599096743 49541 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, although it could do better, like C and JavaScript and whatever are being improved to do better too. < 1599096764 953043 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, no word about the sole * in the August Ponder This solution :-/ I was really hoping to learn something. < 1599096813 923487 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One problem is the readline command; you have to allocate the string yourself to store the result, and if it is too short for the text of the line to fit, then it is an error; I suggest making it so that if you put null instead of a string, it will allocate a string of the correct size automatically.) < 1599096831 529787 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I played most the memes of current standard though. Normally I like janky decks. < 1599096921 285426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or at least be disappointed by something like "they used a 10k CPU cluster for a week to exhaust all possibilities") < 1599096930 797335 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess postscript still 'suffers' from being designed for far less capable printers instead of the monstrosities we have now. < 1599096971 491559 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually that is a good thing, though. < 1599097034 58334 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: Well, I am using PostScript on computers, not on printers, for one thing. For printers, you might as well use something like PCL, perhaps. I use PostScript as a programming language and think it is not as good as a document format or protocol, because there are other formats for doing that, which are better. < 1599097070 510672 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? Stack machines are great for this kind of stuff? < 1599097071 584220 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The result is also not necessarily even going to be a printed page; it might be a PNG file or something like that.) < 1599097156 752777 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: While it does work, it seems too excessive for a protocol or document format. < 1599097348 117413 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For a document format, there is PDF, although I think even for that, PDF is really messy) < 1599097351 254236 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599097573 162023 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. I like small concatenative languages for their simplicity but I wouldn't want to program in them. Probably couldn't. < 1599097590 625198 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And speed. I appreciate speed. < 1599097755 25435 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some people do program in PostScript (actually, I think I read that the inventor of INTERCAL programs in PostScript, too, when they want to do graphics, since PostScript is a good programming language for doing vector graphics). < 1599098016 622629 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack languages are great if you want to send lots of instructions to some abstract machine with high throughput. That's about the only thing I picked up from looking at them. They're just so simple. < 1599098028 186975 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nicely regular. I like that too. < 1599098264 89537 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to play any D&D or GURPS or similar games? Also, do you like to make up any custom Magic: the Gathering cards? < 1599098375 73443 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am way more boring than that! < 1599098433 995914 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mostly spend my time reading up on philosophy, cs, and watching Hollywood crap. < 1599101523 494745 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1599105983 379968 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599106037 243176 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599106680 88890 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waaaaait, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon is neither a Spirit nor a Dragon < 1599106821 297470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? < 1599106828 499574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the art it looks like both. < 1599106965 340584 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Types: Legendary Planeswalker — Ugin < 1599106984 306829 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a planeswalker? Are there any planeswalkers with creature types? < 1599106997 328533 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the card isn't a Spirit or Dragon, but perhaps the art is < 1599107003 504222 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION never learned properly about planeswalkers.
< 1599107034 401611 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't think there are any planeswalkers with creature types < 1599107049 365569 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Refer to rule 306 to learn about how the planeswalkers is working. < 1599107057 412975 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can still be a dragon in spirit, even if it can't be one on technical grounds. < 1599107078 308158 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that they don't make any planeswalker cards with other types, although it is possible to make such a card that is also a tribal or creature, and then it can have creature types. < 1599107090 727840 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But I also don't really care to learn properly about planeswalkers. < 1599107154 551330 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. Although, if you want to learn how is the game working for whatever reason, then you should learn about all of the rules of the game. < 1599107288 1606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gideon, Champion of Justice can have creature types. < 1599107292 669300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they aren't printed on the card. < 1599107328 31983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose any planeswalker can be turned into a creature. < 1599107373 842019 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can something which is not a creature have a creature type, and if so, will it retain that creature type if it becomes a creature? < 1599107385 8935 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, any permanent could, some change themself and some are changed by other effects. < 1599107526 145162 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: I think it can include a creature type in the type line of its text, but unless it is a creature or tribal, it won't have those subtypes, and they won't be retained unless an effect says that permanent becomes "an artifact creature" or changes it into a creature "in addition to its other types". < 1599107596 730498 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is not entirely clear though if it can retain subtypes due purely to its initial text. But I think not, since subtypes are a continuous property (a characteristic).) < 1599107647 713526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about e.g. https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=373559 ? < 1599107664 939314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nylea, God of the Hunt, and the other Thorax gods. < 1599107666 552460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theros? < 1599107692 832147 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if, for example Ugin, The Spirit Dragon was printed with Spirit Dragon in its type line, it wouldn't count towards the number of Dragons you control. < 1599107707 942102 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Yes, I believe so. < 1599107825 626980 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless something changed it into a artifact creature) < 1599107865 917357 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1599107941 126984 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, it is the Oracle text that counts anyways, rather than printed text, although cards are normally printed with the Oracle text of the time when they were printed. But I did read about one exception, where it was printed with Oracle text from the future instead.) < 1599107993 929101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually when I get cards they're printed with Oracle text from the past. < 1599108391 937037 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oracle text from the future"... so they went forth and back on a change, I guess. < 1599108415 294637 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps it was a deliberate un-card prank. < 1599108433 880343 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the rules I guess I stopped caring about 13 years ago. < 1599108514 177437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it's from Future Sight. < 1599108524 39824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/details.aspx?multiverseid=136151 ? < 1599108544 528775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that was on the Oracle text before it went into the rules or not. < 1599108562 694059 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :They still had mana burn then. < 1599108628 640711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they have damage go on the stack? < 1599108671 86263 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1599108703 740355 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean combat damage on the stack? That was the case at one time, in sixth edition, but they removed that now; the rules work differently. < 1599108767 72788 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599108770 722831 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes. < 1599108897 428938 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no battlefield either, an explicit out-of-play zone for phasing, blah... < 1599109260 496459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad they took blah out < 1599109263 890221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a terrible rule. < 1599109343 347031 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah. < 1599109421 137359 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 blah < 1599109422 395993 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :oynu < 1599109433 651096 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(quite pronouncible) < 1599111751 906274 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599113463 837336 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599113716 391720 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599113736 981957 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599113921 839579 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599116473 305235 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599116662 625917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1599116836 427908 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599117703 896961 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599118031 796410 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599118154 14236 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1599118736 181660 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599120353 89158 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1599120592 531316 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599120703 841016 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599121034 888993 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: vehicles are printed with creature types, but they only become creatures when you use their "crew" ability to animate them, and then they have those creature types < 1599121300 619840 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: yes, but these days planeswalkers could barely be printed with creature types anymore even if wizards wanted to, because "Legendary Planeswalker - Liliana" takes up most of the type line. the best you could do is a planeswalker with a short planeswalker type and a very short creature type, or a very short planeswalker type and a short creature type, or a changeling ability in the text box. and if < 1599121307 66804 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you tried that, you couldn't reprint that planeswalker in a core set, because those have longer expansion symbols. < 1599121343 680187 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Legendary Planeswalker Creature - Spirit Dragon Ugin" is right out, and so is "Legendary Artifact Vehicle Planeswalker - Argo Ship" < 1599121578 479278 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even "Legendary Planeswalker - Cat Ajani" is too long for a core set, it could only fit in a set with a normal-sized expansion symbol. although they renamed one creature type to shorter: Hound to Dog. < 1599122386 288688 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Just gotta keep decreasing the font size until you need a magnifying glass to read it :D < 1599122459 395984 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Legendary Enchantment Creature - God" < 1599122683 925239 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599122843 902464 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric > 1599125672 224410 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77183&oldid=76811 5* 03Orisphera 5* (-19) 10/* General Ideas */ < 1599126271 220159 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-178.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1599126402 375950 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599126415 900730 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu JOIN :#esoteric < 1599126763 480586 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1599128278 148261 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599129503 885354 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599131008 616633 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599133023 797247 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599134102 307806 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1599134377 900556 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric > 1599135537 289957 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77184&oldid=76452 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+1) 10/* Equality */ < 1599136143 859391 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1599136905 550520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77185&oldid=77184 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+197) 10/* Medium */ < 1599137430 506538 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1599137446 943794 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599137474 86785 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1599137708 512222 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77186&oldid=76791 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+2) 10/* Turing-Completeness */ > 1599137962 278506 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Andrew's Programming Language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77187&oldid=77167 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+16) 10 < 1599138078 40848 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1599138384 157365 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599138909 27030 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599139274 871840 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599140405 402297 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599141063 873775 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599141863 25374 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599142101 401462 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could we somehow rename "minute" as in the unit of time that's 60 seconds? we have trouble abbreviating it because both "m" or "mn" can stand for either minute or month (yet at least one system uses "m" to abbreviate one and "mn" to abbreviate the other), and even "min" has problems because it already very often stands for "minimum". but I don't < 1599142101 812210 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :know what the best solution could be. < 1599142566 608031 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599142595 420928 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"min" is a good enough suffix for minute for me < 1599142610 798992 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, we could just use SI prefixes and seconds \o/ < 1599142665 240080 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of 5 min you just specify 3hs < 1599142823 715473 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: but don't worry, UK manages to use 'm' as shorthand for both metres and miles in road signage < 1599143227 274335 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hehe < 1599143328 886415 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599143329 526212 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to rename the kilogram to something that doesn't have a prefix in it because I don't understand why the SI base unit has a size prefix < 1599143491 966928 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonable, arguably the gram should be the base unit < 1599143507 424887 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: how about sexagintisecond (Latin) or hexecontasecond (Greek) < 1599143522 595206 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, uh, shastisecond (Sanskrit) < 1599143562 597787 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :road signs get *some* excuses from the usual rules because they have to limit the amount of text to remain readable. here, most road signs give distances in kilometers but don't have the unit explicitly written out, with three exceptions. < 1599143600 380977 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What gets me is that an hour is nicely divisible by 3 (thank you, Ancient Babylonians) but we never exploit this by saying anything like "It's a third to 11" < 1599143631 145505 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :short distances are usually given in meter, and those use "m" as the unit, so "500 m" is very common on the freeway in context of the second warning of an upcoming exit. small white road signs that give a distance or length below another road sign do explicitly say "km" eg. < 1599143631 639758 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/M2_aut%C3%B3p%C3%A1lya%2C_kosdi_%C3%BAt_h%C3%ADdja.jpg" . finally speed limit signs use km/h as the unit, and old ones have an explicit "km" (in small letters) to hint at that, but these days the new style without any mention of the unit is more common. < 1599143711 113190 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well some things are quantized to multiples of 5 minutes, but yes, 20 minutes is never used as the unit < 1599143777 270227 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1599143952 349796 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :info page for that image is "https://commons.wikimedia.org/?curid=79510556" < 1599144221 879839 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: sure, we omit unit for the usual km distance signs too, and use explicit 'm' for shorter distances < 1599144269 920075 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would mind it less tbh if UK signage just omitted unit altogther for long mile distances :p but if you use a unit, at least use a unique one < 1599144585 310754 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a unique one like ounce! > 1599148230 985334 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:,,,14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77188 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+247) 10/* Random Number Generator */ new section < 1599148850 274715 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 > 1599149086 624071 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:,,,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77189&oldid=77188 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+270) 10 < 1599151454 340002 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1599151891 26922 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599151994 22598 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1599152058 938109 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1599153512 689764 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidStackLanguage14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77190&oldid=75045 5* 03Lebster 5* (-4) 10/* Hello World */ > 1599153556 848580 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77191&oldid=77064 5* 03Lebster 5* (-101) 10/* StupidStackLanguage */ < 1599153805 284653 :kspalaiologos!~palaiolog@176.221.122.69 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599153916 226224 :kspalaiologos!~palaiolog@176.221.122.69 QUIT :Client Quit < 1599155861 903384 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1599156592 992609 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need to abbreviate both metres and miles in the road sign maybe you should write "mi" for miles, and "m" for metres, then. < 1599156883 170663 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( min = milliinch ) < 1599157132 322657 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that a inch isn't a SI unit and so their abbreviations should not include SI prefixes. < 1599157341 273435 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :milliinch is a common unit but usually called "mil" or "thou" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousandth_of_an_inch < 1599157354 966967 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say that "mil" is a worse name than milliinch but "thou" is a better one < 1599157390 81981 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why not? It’s just that SI prescribes that any, or almost any feasible SI unit should be able to used with SI prefixes, but I’d think it’s not concerned with denying anything outside its scope < 1599157423 463682 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long art thou o child of inch < 1599157436 861089 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I am not denying using SI prefixes on units that are not SI units, but I do deny to use SI prefixes in their abbreviations. < 1599157485 937455 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does liter and bar count as SI units? how about bytes and bits? < 1599157493 329043 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bauds, while we're there < 1599157494 356654 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d think denying for some extent would be reasonable indeed but not too strongly < 1599157522 381395 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Yes, I suppose so. < 1599157523 325569 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits I think are somewhere in SI, though we’re probably need a reference now < 1599157570 77374 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't know, although I think that some are "close enough", although bytes are often abbreviated using binary prefixes rather than SI prefixes anyways < 1599157578 586225 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also how about kiloponds, millimeters of mercury, kilocalories? those are definitely not SI units < 1599157637 243599 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes it isn't SI units, but at least millimetres of mercury and kilocalories have common abbreviations, which happen to match those of SI units > 1599157682 333763 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Pipythonmc 5* 10New user account < 1599157736 764125 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a liter is 10**(-3) m^3, a bar is 10**5 Pa, so they're at least powers of ten multiples of SI units. a kilopond is slightly less than 10 newton, a millimeter of mercury is around 133 pascal, and a kilocalory is around 4200 joule, but they're derived from the SI units kilogram and meter indirectly. < 1599157783 188425 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1599157797 545998 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am only saying that you should not generally add SI prefixes to non-SI units in abbreviations; in some cases they already do do such a thing commonly enough. I suppose you could also treat "mil" as an abbreviation for "milliinch".) < 1599157836 976060 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for SI prefixes, I would prefer if people would stick to stricter rules about the ones that aren't powers of 1000, that is centi, deci, deka, hecto, and effectively consider them depreciated and no longer productive prefixes, using them only when there's established practice using a specific prefixed unit for a domain. < 1599157882 541403 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For litres, I think "mL" is a common abbreviation, as is "L", and for bar, I think "mbar" is common, and for calories, "kCal". > 1599157923 226082 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77192&oldid=77171 5* 03Pipythonmc 5* (+199) 10/* Introductions */ < 1599157952 539867 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the ones that aren't powers of 1000 can be useful in some cases, such as maybe they should use myriahertz for the AM radio numbers (some old radio receivers do, but I have never seen them call this unit "myriahertz") < 1599157955 379247 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for milliliter, "ml" is the normal abbreviation, but "mL" and m with a loopy l are sometimes used on products < 1599157964 825921 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, "mbar" is common < 1599157997 472782 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mbar" is used by engineers, which I know becuase I work with them on a project where they have pressure sensors and we display some perssures in mbar > 1599158064 484188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Pipythonmc14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77193 5* 03Pipythonmc 5* (+171) 10Created page with "Hi! I'm a new user planning on making a 2D snake based language (a bit similar to ><> but with a different instruction pointer system) I'll update this page if I remember." < 1599158178 508381 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any experience about the milliinches and stuff, those are used in North America but not here, so I only meet those units on the internet < 1599158242 38601 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't like "tonne", I think is confusing with "ton", a suitable word instead of "tonne" should be "megagram" < 1599158246 100723 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard inches are usually divided by powers of two < 1599158265 289070 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Yes, usually, although not always. < 1599158321 457006 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A IBM flowchart template I have includes inches in eighths, tenths, twelfths, and fifteenths. It also includes centimetres. < 1599158380 934218 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: fifteenth, wow! < 1599158494 491799 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599158587 300523 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those are used in scale drawings; those triangular architectural rulers have some pretty wonky ratios on them < 1599158724 214476 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :in machine shops it's fairly common to speak of hundreths or thousandths of an inch - I've got a very nice machinists ruler with 1/32, 1/64, 1/50 and 1/100 scales < 1599158787 88451 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :for hertz, I've seen kilo/megacycles, but not myria < 1599159904 293400 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about kilomegacycles < 1599159907 986194 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :abbreviated kmc < 1599160045 522808 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen an old (published 1950) circuit diagram with "µµf" for pF < 1599160056 668849 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i put it on a shirt. it's pretty esoteric https://i.imgur.com/szTRnRL.png < 1599160241 797831 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't the abbreviation for "mega" being "M" rather than "m"? Also, I think that you should not put multiple prefixes, isn't it? Also, I have seen "cycles per second" but not not abbreviations like that (other than "cps") < 1599160297 870987 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: O, I did not see such thing like that before, but now I did. < 1599160307 925606 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it a circuit diagram for? < 1599160594 984384 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_per_second < 1599160595 598963 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hz was officially introduced in 1960 < 1599160617 39659 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :kc and Mc were common abbreviations before that < 1599160688 684028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read a book that used "millimicrometer", but it was very non-technical fiction, and I think intended more to evoke a sense of a very short distance rather than to describe a physical thing. < 1599160709 498405 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :whch book? sounds familiar < 1599160743 487836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of Donald E. Westlake's "Dortmunder" series, as it happens. < 1599160757 458710 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have guessed some kind of classic sci-fi < 1599160763 278432 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used the term "decimicron" to describe the default DVI units, and have later seen that some others have done the same. < 1599160786 571689 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think millimicrometer or millimicron were actually used in engineering prior to 1960 which is also the year when nano- was introduced < 1599160796 978596 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://themetricmaven.com/realm-of-measure/ < 1599160833 965069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Around them hummed thousands—no, millions—of silent conversations, whistling and whispering through the cables; unfaithful husbands making assignations all unknowingly a millimicrometer away from their all-unknowing faithless wives; business deals being closed an eyelash distance from the unsuspecting subjects who’d be ruined by them; truth and lies flashing along cheek by jowl in parallel lanes, < 1599160839 920235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :never meeting; love and business, play and torment, hope and the end of hope all spun together inside the cables from the teeming telephones of Manhattan." < 1599160847 263647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're hiding underground in a tunnel used for telephone cables and suchlike.) < 1599160894 876611 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the circuit is a 5-state ring counter. every time a pulse is presented on the "pulse bus" the next triode / neon bulb will start to conduct and the previous one shuts off < 1599160900 704157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From 1983, so not old enough to predate the nano- prefix.) < 1599160905 325058 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from this book http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/era/High_Speed_Computing_Devices_1950.pdf < 1599160927 754207 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen "decimicron" used anywhere else? < 1599160964 161515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Lensman series of classic sci-fi probably had some wonky units. It definitely used "kilocycles" and so on in place of Hertz. < 1599161072 662221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it has a "millimicrosecond" too. < 1599161337 564965 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think so < 1599161350 761030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for distance, but IIRC, the default time unit in one speech processing toolkit is 100 ns (to give a better-than-1µs precision while still allowing a 32-bit offset to represent durations up to a typical speech utterance, I think), and I think they might've called it decimicrosecond somewhere. < 1599161387 642988 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc some old computer or something used microfortnights for delays < 1599161422 685160 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind of delays that were "about a second, but we don't really know how fast our clock is running yet" < 1599161447 478314 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have read that too < 1599161481 151571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not finding any matches for decimicrosecond in that context, so maybe they just called it a "100 ns unit". < 1599161531 142668 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Linux kernel famously uses "jiffies" as a time unit < 1599161574 330760 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a configurable and platform-dependent unit < 1599161596 383130 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does it still really? I thought that's mostly obsolate, and only appears in some obsolete interfaces. < 1599161601 584512 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, perhaps < 1599161609 35477 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is amused by microfortnights
< 1599161613 155988 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it still means "the system timer interrupt" < 1599161622 644693 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the rate of ti < 1599161637 912961 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lot of compatibility of course, including user interfaces that used to be jiffies back when a jiffy had a single concrete value, but later were kept as just whatever that value is regardless of what jiffies are. < 1599161641 368104 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is there still a regular system timer interrupt < 1599161661 296306 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they moved to a tickless system where the kernel figures out before sleeping when the next event it will need to wake for is < 1599161671 828940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way back when I still cared about building a kernel, they were already introducing config flags for that sort of stuff. < 1599161681 469714 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are still scheduler timeslice units and such but not an interrupt that always fires regularly < 1599161682 945846 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unsure, but I know it's in the config file < 1599161789 336488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFIG_NO_HZ, right. < 1599161801 92583 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it figures out how much to sleep, but people want stupid low-latency UIs that react to their mouse movements in a nanoseconds, and claim that they can see the difference, so on some systems we keep interrupting processes very often regardless that that slows down everything because a lot of cpu state, including the L1 cache and the L2 cache, keeps trampled when we switch < 1599161805 73928 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, looks like it < 1599161807 162933 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :between processes, when the CPU could perform well if you just let each process keep computing for a longer time. < 1599161815 86123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Haven't been following that at all.) < 1599161824 211570 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that's an option on old/weird architectures < 1599161841 902841 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think some of the change was brought about when most kernels became SMP-capable. back in the old days, non-SMP kernels were the norm, because few people had more than one CPU core. > 1599161865 150757 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:,,,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77194&oldid=77189 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+513) 10They do not work. :( < 1599161885 279242 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-234.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but frankly I don't know much about the details. I'm a user programmer, not a kernel programmer, I don't care too much about the internals of the kernel. > 1599162043 203685 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07,,,14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77195&oldid=77172 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-18) 10I think people get confused here. < 1599162304 929063 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599164886 712911 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1599165804 430059 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07LYaPAS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77196&oldid=75886 5* 03Amakukha 5* (-21) 10doesn't seem to based on APL < 1599166044 11932 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1599166078 825301 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:LYaPAS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77197&oldid=23290 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+365) 10/* Not APL-like */ new section < 1599170737 353587 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1599172046 304543 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77198 5* 03Zero 5* (+1649) 10ByteByteFork is ByteByteJump with multithreading > 1599172192 938341 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77199&oldid=77198 5* 03Zero 5* (+84) 10 > 1599172277 409057 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77200&oldid=77156 5* 03Zero 5* (+19) 10 > 1599172379 643835 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77201&oldid=77199 5* 03Zero 5* (+4) 10 < 1599172393 465009 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1599172542 48125 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1599172667 623107 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1599172779 468193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77202&oldid=77201 5* 03Zero 5* (+9) 10 > 1599172817 947592 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77203&oldid=77202 5* 03Zero 5* (+17) 10 < 1599173421 790722 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric > 1599173683 55266 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77204&oldid=77203 5* 03Zero 5* (+2) 10 > 1599173696 621383 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77205&oldid=77204 5* 03Zero 5* (+1) 10 < 1599175192 583491 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1599175828 252867 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071CP=1ICL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77206&oldid=77174 5* 03Camto 5* (+92) 10Add # < 1599177234 28312 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1599179886 578649 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07KRONKSCRIPT14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77207 5* 03McGoodmen 5* (+2525) 10Created page with "An Esolang by Zack Umar. 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If you do not know of..." > 1599179908 114196 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07KRONKSCRIPT14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77208&oldid=77207 5* 03McGoodmen 5* (-1) 10 < 1599180604 594541 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1599185831 821315 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:,,,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77209&oldid=77194 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+253) 10 < 1599186049 993672 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599186076 523958 :Arcorann__!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1599194172 85107 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77210&oldid=77185 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+157) 10/* Control Flow */ > 1599194235 56721 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77211&oldid=77210 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+197) 10/* If block */ > 1599194291 946461 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1599244172 909587 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599245152 533731 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599245185 20410 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599245874 135391 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139340-aztw33-2-0-cust225.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1599247240 201420 :TheLie!~TheLie@24.134.17.157 JOIN :#esoteric > 1599247813 366985 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071CP=1ICL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77244&oldid=77214 5* 03Camto 5* (+328) 10Add q and w instructions. > 1599249243 531879 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07,,,14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77245&oldid=77212 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-76) 10my hate I grammar < 1599249656 273171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599249688 786319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one weird SI prefix exception is to do with farads; for whatever reason, electronic engineers never use millifarads (and this is something that's taught in textbooks) < 1599249716 512412 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :farads, microfarads, picofarads are all commonly used; according to Wikipedia, nanofarads aren't used in North America but are elsewhere < 1599249751 749957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I've been taught that if I see "mF", it is probably a misprinting/misencoding of "µF", rather than an actual indication of millifarads < 1599249840 766893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for a symbol for minute, it does have a symbol, ′ < 1599249850 156960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't commonly used because it looks so much like an apostrophe < 1599249860 704577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and SI recommends that it's abbreviated to "min" < 1599249899 232869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, it only tends to be alonside ″ for seconds < 1599249946 587040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless whoever did it couldn't figure out how to type those and went with ' and " instead. < 1599250042 993154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can type ’ and ” easily enough, but they aren't the right codepoints < 1599250121 675929 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In many cases ' and " are suitable, although not always. However, I see them more often in angular measurement I think, such as those in ephemerides. < 1599250377 125780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an unambiguous symbol for arc-second, it's a seconds symbol with a circumflex on it, ′̂ < 1599250382 719804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't render very well in this client < 1599250807 265577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599250820 31162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599251039 845382 :TheLie!~TheLie@24.134.17.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599251047 194798 :TheLie!~TheLie@24.134.17.157 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599251070 244490 :TheLie!~TheLie@24.134.17.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599251078 259531 :TheLie!~TheLie@24.134.17.157 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599251082 790616 :TheLie!~TheLie@24.134.17.157 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599251203 972242 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1599251706 159925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, here's another example of silly SI-ish units; a "1.44 megabyte" floppy disk has a capacity of 1.44×1000×1024 < 1599251723 825653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1440 KiB" would be more accurate < 1599251779 389803 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait really < 1599251782 298275 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that < 1599251823 957309 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1599251844 334480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it doesn't make sense, but it's at least mildly plausible how it could have happened < 1599251872 303019 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's 1.47 MB or 1.40 MiB < 1599251873 526026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 1.44 kKiB hth < 1599251882 453702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I considered saying that :-) < 1599251916 505448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I still have some floppy disks, and even floppy disk drives < 1599251921 608140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I haven't used either in years < 1599251949 287468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the data that was on them is backed up in numerous places, because they're so small relative to modern storage devices that you can just include a backup of all the floppy disks as a random part of other backups you make < 1599251958 785807 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have physical floppy disks or drives anyomre. < 1599251963 348031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I haven't needed to use the disks themselves < 1599251971 931665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When we went to prepare our flat back in Finland to be rented out, I hooked up a floppy drive to the skeleton of a computer that was still there, and imaged all the floppies. < 1599251981 304210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe ~70% of them were still readable. < 1599252074 976672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also did the same for all the CD-Rs, which had a little better success rate, but not 100% either. < 1599252099 858251 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20% off of all goods with jemalloc. < 1599252187 506949 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The man page for charmap(5) says that multi-bytes characters is not supported, but in the files on my computer, they seem to be used. The charmap files also have a section for widths, which are not mentioned in the man page, and all of the symbolic names seems to be Unicode numbers, but is this required? (You might want to define character sets which are not compatible with Unicode.) < 1599252840 445378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: now I'm wondering why you imaged them rather than just copying the files; were some of them using interesting copy protection mechanisms? < 1599252852 16290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it simply easier? < 1599252927 709056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just easier. I don't expect any of them had any particularly exotic formats, but there was no storage on that computer and I had limited time, it was easier just to image them and upload back to home, and put them into the "sort through these later" pile. < 1599252943 321877 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's easier, and you can still get the files later. < 1599253127 153228 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, many programs can read disk images, such as you may be able to mount them on Linux, and 7-Zip can also read many kinds of disk image files < 1599253157 834976 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also copying the files may cause some of their attributes to be lost, depending on the file system) < 1599253197 315876 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, and since some of those disks have DOS programs, you can just use the images directly as emulated floppy disks in a virtual machine emulating DOS < 1599253252 29567 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I believe DOSBOX will also read the disk image files directly (although it doesn't support switching floppy disk images; switching is supported only for CDs) < 1599254514 376026 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599254601 479802 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599255984 36468 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1599256046 120213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599256119 995850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599260089 498560 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:c569:83e2:c0d:cf4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599260245 470298 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:cd35:b04a:a3ee:43ce QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1599260260 783052 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599261297 765622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1599263143 681732 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599263392 697796 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599264025 642148 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1599264251 587563 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599267470 111487 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599269493 40982 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599269494 540180 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599269518 674761 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599270711 497155 :d3m0nm4dn3ss!~matthew@199.58.81.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599270779 430400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the TLS certificate expiration alert I set up for esolangs.org doesn't have the world's most user-friendly formatting. It's saying the expiration is in "2.587664476999998e+06 seconds". < 1599270947 726119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2.587664476999998e+06 / 60 / 60 / 24 < 1599270950 521962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 29.949820335648127 > 1599271110 171159 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07///14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77246&oldid=71201 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+128) 10/* Other implementations */ another implementation < 1599273515 181538 :TheRealIceCube!~user@107.88.176.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599273660 673349 :TheRealIceCube!~user@107.88.176.93 PART :#esoteric < 1599275971 131210 :d3m0nm4dn3ss!~matthew@199.58.81.144 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1599279317 240292 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :86400~100k seconds a day < 1599279498 613527 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how many days are there in a month? < 1599279498 915714 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: trace highlight that way has been done. repeatedly.) all qubits in fnord states have always resolved to 1, and 0 otherwise. now this implementation makes it impossible < 1599279524 412776 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: f**** you too < 1599279524 556551 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: long double is in c99 so i can fnord < 1599281623 305 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599281647 992918 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1599281703 743575 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1599288031 323661 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:,,,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77247&oldid=77242 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+397) 10 > 1599288811 373008 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deadfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77248&oldid=75888 5* 03Cortex 5* (+6) 10/* C */ > 1599289548 606914 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77249&oldid=77243 5* 03Zero 5* (+3) 10 > 1599289661 802745 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Squi~~le14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77250 5* 03Cortex 5* (+362) 10g < 1599289724 45541 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1599289736 286620 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Squi~~le14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77251&oldid=77250 5* 03Cortex 5* (+36) 10woops < 1599293412 620948 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599293503 907427 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599294052 826116 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric > 1599294709 500494 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Reinhardt 5* 10New user account > 1599294981 51137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77252&oldid=77192 5* 03Reinhardt 5* (+161) 10/* Introductions */ > 1599295029 373542 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Reinhardt14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77253 5* 03Reinhardt 5* (+19) 10Created page with "I'm a set of things" > 1599297899 499962 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07,,,14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77254&oldid=77245 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+95) 10Why did you remove that > 1599300190 938170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77255&oldid=77233 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+237) 10 < 1599300315 557467 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1599301725 10054 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77256&oldid=77255 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-5) 10/* While loop */ Ha! < 1599301755 990406 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric > 1599301825 80992 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77257&oldid=77256 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+10) 10/* While loop */ > 1599302861 255420 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77258&oldid=77257 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+86) 10/* Operations */ < 1599303985 298614 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599306002 394636 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1599307326 596334 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1599307994 574623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Baidicoot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77259&oldid=72837 5* 03Osmarks 5* (+103) 10 < 1599311153 50682 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1599311218 101805 :atslash!~atslash@46.188.0.82 JOIN :#esoteric > 1599311226 920915 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Programs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77260&oldid=76637 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-777) 10/* CGCC */ The contest ended due to the development of MAWP. < 1599311528 193029 :atslash!~atslash@46.188.0.82 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1599311576 130484 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1599312136 268250 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you link me to a well-written description of the basics of byzantian generals problem and what we know about it? I was trying to read it from the ed. Iványi book, but that chapter is written in some crazy unreadable style so I can't make heads or tails of it. < 1599312377 273192 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_fault
< 1599312723 855661 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that one has useful links < 1599313589 68484 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1599313607 913519 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1599314039 55244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77261&oldid=77249 5* 03Zero 5* (+62) 10 > 1599314091 591886 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77262&oldid=77261 5* 03Zero 5* (+0) 10 > 1599314148 58161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77263&oldid=77262 5* 03Zero 5* (+24) 10 > 1599314178 172255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77264&oldid=77263 5* 03Zero 5* (+29) 10 > 1599314212 426670 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77265&oldid=77264 5* 03Zero 5* (+0) 10 < 1599315450 899692 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599315503 818294 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599316007 789166 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric > 1599316216 615494 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Snippets14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77266&oldid=77258 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+167) 10/* Operations */ < 1599317668 374596 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599317707 956878 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1599318020 935686 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1599318089 503289 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77267&oldid=77265 5* 03Zero 5* (+1465) 10 > 1599318091 47644 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:SunnyMoon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77268&oldid=76996 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+125) 10 > 1599318224 946888 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77269&oldid=77267 5* 03Zero 5* (+0) 10 < 1599318227 696236 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599320054 326480 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599320538 315816 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1599320596 653453 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1599320635 681278 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599320995 978246 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599321203 790220 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599321357 185837 :diverger!~div@31.171.152.196 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1599321456 61486 :diverger!~div@178-175-128-238.static.as43289.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599321902 429377 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599323073 6721 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599323965 960466 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599324787 808478 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599324962 24544 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1599324962 682694 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1599325126 930939 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is an affine space of dimension −1, contrary to linear spaces < 1599325133 44070 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru NICK :arseniiv < 1599325162 565393 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? dimension -1? what would that even mean? what kind of dimension? < 1599325284 676904 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599325296 2387 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came to this while considering a function F from Set to Aff_K which maps a set X to a free affine space (over K) which has points {F(x), x ∈ X} as a maximal independent subset < 1599325329 779587 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so F({x1, …, xn}) gives an (n−1)-dimensional affine space < 1599325425 554410 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we can take F(∅) and get an empty affine space, I think. And thus it should have dimension −1 < 1599325457 495517 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(F({∗}) gives us a single point as a space) < 1599325632 740340 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can obtain something in this vein obtaining an affine space one dimension lower as a level set of some linear form. Going from one-dimensional space, we get a point, and going from zero-dimensional one, we get an empty set < 1599325650 263435 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :my wording today is awful < 1599325771 749520 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have the same for projective spaces too. In which case it should look pretty natural > 1599325802 737821 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:SunnyMoon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77270&oldid=77268 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+215) 10SCHOOL! < 1599325856 957025 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW are there arguments for deg (zero polynomial) being −1 vs. −∞? Is it pretty natural to define it as −1? I saw −∞ a couple of times but but < 1599325939 586896 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: deg(0) = deg(x*0) = deg(x)+deg(0) < 1599325955 261786 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work for -1, works reasonably well for -oo. < 1599325990 71876 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also argue for +oo by counting roots ;) < 1599326019 467158 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe you want to preserve something like deg(p) != deg(q) ==> deg(p+q) = max(deg(p), deg(q)). < 1599326086 647302 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, p | q ==> deg(p) <= deg(q) doesn't work for -oo. < 1599326109 800086 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanks < 1599326228 256113 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding divisibility in N, I joke that 0 is infinite, as it should equal 2^∞ 3^∞ 5^∞ … < 1599326275 991670 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the p-adics? < 1599326988 777412 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :divisibility is boring in fields < 1599328551 290094 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599329065 990864 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1599329110 357563 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1599329146 793907 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: rain1: though one can consider p-adic *integers*, not all of them? < 1599329159 439098 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599329343 897987 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599330380 90241 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Hmm. Well, then all numbers not divisible by p are units (invertible), so it all boils down to the number of trailing zeros. But okay, it's more interesting than the field. < 1599330516 738756 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least a bit! > 1599330900 177250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:SunnyMoon14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77271&oldid=77270 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+90) 10OH NO! < 1599331867 966605 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599332845 508124 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1599333527 1842 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asm2bf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77272&oldid=76623 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (-13) 10update deadlinks < 1599339052 374719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you give an SMT solver an arbitrary boolean expression -- without any theories, just boolean variables -- what does it do with it? < 1599339105 48106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some sort of Tseytin transformation, or is it something else? < 1599339698 299444 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599339974 500954 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAT solver or SMT solver? < 1599339983 937225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMT. < 1599339995 857805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAT solvers presumably just take CNF and let other people worry about this. < 1599340007 752162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But SMT solvers that I've seen tend to take arbitrary boolean expressions. < 1599342461 439073 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. In a SAT solver I think of unbound variable as existentially quantified. So possibly it's the same with SMT solvers? < 1599342468 437975 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1599342504 79404 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1599343102 294186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean quantification, that's the same (unless you have a solver with quantifiers). < 1599343117 289959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean boolean expressions like a && (b || !(c || d)) etc. < 1599343628 473670 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think you can convert those to an ordinary CNF expression by introducing temporaries for all those subexpressions < 1599343660 362259 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by temporaries I mean new variables that aren't in your expression but that will be in the CNF expression that you feed to the SAT solver < 1599343681 162785 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe I just don't understand how all this SAT-solver business works < 1599343746 631502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I'm wondering whether this is what SMT solvers are actually doing. < 1599344666 277558 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599347581 564257 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599349082 891050 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1599349524 51779 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok bug report for the mornington crescent article: king's cross is in the syntax section but not the actual language specs < 1599349637 498012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a platform 0 at the King's Cross station [*1], it's a true programmer's station. [*1] The National Rail part, not the Tube. < 1599349672 903917 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see. it's not special, but it's a station. cool < 1599350633 735311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. At least Yices2 seems to do that exactly. < 1599353373 647748 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1599353488 993566 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599357278 213107 :Bowserinator_!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator NICK :Bowserinator < 1599362721 891212 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1599362723 791845 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ᛁᚿ//ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏᛏᛁᚿgᛅᛋ. ᚴᚮᚦ ᚠᛅᚴᛁ. ᛆᛦᚿᛅ ᛋᛆᚴᚿᚢᛋᛋᛅᛯ < 1599362726 490514 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' < 1599362727 558907 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :961) i don't know what that is so i'm going to assume it's a flavor of pocky < 1599362751 644800 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hwrl ᛁᚿ < 1599362752 817473 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/log/tip/wisdom/%20%E1%9B%81%E1%9A%BF < 1599363207 154415 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w < 1599363208 187930 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​gazpacho//You like Gazpacho and I like Gaspacho. Let's call the whole thing off! < 1599363872 493391 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599364099 46132 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1599366149 102871 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Programs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77273&oldid=77260 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+113) 10 > 1599366188 560395 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071+/Programs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77274&oldid=77273 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-1) 10/* Others */ < 1599367322 995113 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599368115 898236 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599368124 958857 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1599368195 202970 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1599373918 888145 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do many National Rail stations have a platform 0? < 1599374128 585110 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you good at runes? > 1599374352 283342 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07///14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77275&oldid=77246 5* 03YamTokTpaFa 5* (+0) 10/* Other implementations */ typo > 1599375344 637369 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Datums14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77276 5* 03BlueOkiris 5* (+5497) 10A data-oriented esoteric programming language with (basically) only 3 commands created by Dylan Turner aka BlueOkiris > 1599375446 279996 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:BlueOkiris14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77277&oldid=49885 5* 03BlueOkiris 5* (-26) 10 > 1599375474 982259 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77278&oldid=77200 5* 03BlueOkiris 5* (+13) 10/* D */ < 1599376359 885088 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599379691 404139 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599379756 601365 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599379791 315428 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599379903 898842 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599381524 927512 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1599383525 201380 :diverger!~div@178-175-128-238.static.as43289.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599383536 937410 :divergence!~div@176.61.146.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599384286 13672 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1599385093 208276 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1599385971 444694 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77279&oldid=77269 5* 03Zero 5* (+36) 10 > 1599386003 202532 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77280&oldid=77279 5* 03Zero 5* (+2) 10 > 1599386040 803312 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77281&oldid=77280 5* 03Zero 5* (+0) 10 > 1599387961 42892 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77282&oldid=77281 5* 03Zero 5* (+871) 10 < 1599387967 935818 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :*.net *.split > 1599388056 459314 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77283&oldid=77282 5* 03Zero 5* (+0) 10 < 1599388122 269637 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599388347 445864 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1599391610 317274 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” > 1599392099 956912 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77284&oldid=76910 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+0) 10I realized that most Hello World programs print "Hello, World!" rather than "Hello, world!" > 1599392160 362988 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07,,,14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77285&oldid=77254 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+0) 10"Hello, World!", not "Hello, world!". < 1599394479 27775 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1599394835 70712 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77286&oldid=77283 5* 03Zero 5* (+1399) 10 > 1599395544 995513 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77287&oldid=77286 5* 03Zero 5* (+830) 10 > 1599395679 727302 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77288&oldid=77287 5* 03Zero 5* (+18) 10 > 1599396758 365865 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77289&oldid=77288 5* 03Zero 5* (+603) 10 > 1599397038 268465 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77290&oldid=77289 5* 03Zero 5* (+390) 10 > 1599397591 775310 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77291&oldid=77290 5* 03Zero 5* (-22) 10 > 1599397876 1821 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77292&oldid=77291 5* 03Zero 5* (+109) 10 > 1599397996 733352 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77293&oldid=77292 5* 03Zero 5* (+28) 10 > 1599398206 503917 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77294&oldid=77293 5* 03Zero 5* (-1) 10 > 1599398487 387280 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77295&oldid=77294 5* 03Zero 5* (+322) 10 > 1599398522 560001 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77296&oldid=77295 5* 03Zero 5* (-2) 10 > 1599398548 90278 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77297&oldid=77296 5* 03Zero 5* (-44) 10 > 1599398663 192249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77298&oldid=77297 5* 03Zero 5* (+6) 10 > 1599399032 122340 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77299&oldid=77298 5* 03Zero 5* (+283) 10 > 1599399363 293484 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77300&oldid=77299 5* 03Zero 5* (-307) 10 > 1599399964 963693 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77301&oldid=77300 5* 03Zero 5* (-284) 10 > 1599400585 909874 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77302&oldid=77301 5* 03Zero 5* (+208) 10 < 1599400990 969224 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric > 1599401387 770423 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77303&oldid=77302 5* 03Zero 5* (-4433) 10 > 1599401404 658072 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:ByteByteFork14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77304 5* 03Zero 5* (+4397) 10Created page with "== Possible evolution == Where to go from there? ===== Infinite memory ===== If we're going to make it look like The Matrix, the memory should be "conceptually" infinite..." > 1599402086 311403 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77305&oldid=77304 5* 03Zero 5* (+104) 10 < 1599402195 885246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think there's about 10 of them around. I don't think any of them have started with a platform 0, they've all just added a platform and wanted to avoid renumbering. No-one's gone to -1 yet. < 1599402337 648020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My primary source on platform-zero-ology has been https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTHOyTypNs8 though I knew about the King's Cross one before. < 1599403544 98745 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platform_0 <-- Wikipedia for reference < 1599403688 804331 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursaga < 1599403706 823086 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1599403808 195427 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77306&oldid=77303 5* 03Zero 5* (+8) 10 > 1599404166 229028 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77307&oldid=77306 5* 03Zero 5* (+262) 10 > 1599405371 124288 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77308&oldid=77307 5* 03Zero 5* (+26) 10 < 1599407164 676237 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.243.83.76 JOIN :#esoteric > 1599408682 425575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ByteByteFork14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77309&oldid=77308 5* 03Zero 5* (+99) 10 < 1599411322 942477 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599411430 811518 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1599411430 811574 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1599411571 753729 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599411983 935290 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1599413166 70017 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1599413987 217826 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly NICK :Luciole < 1599414749 4557 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1599416507 33142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Datums14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77310&oldid=77276 5* 03BlueOkiris 5* (+491) 10/* Datums */ < 1599416540 537241 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599416572 633476 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1599416698 314522 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.243.83.76 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599416776 936423 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.243.83.76 JOIN :#esoteric > 1599418017 307872 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0705AB1E14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77311 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+4084) 10I think everyone was waiting for this page! > 1599418100 583814 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:SunnyMoon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77312&oldid=77271 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+113) 10Breaking news! < 1599418238 893809 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing some interesting work in compiling string rewriting rules down to C, and later down to assembly in the hopes of writing a JITed interpreter. < 1599418540 626021 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to give the compiler something useful to chew on. forming a trie and then generating a giant nested switch/case. > 1599418696 484071 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Anyfix14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77313&oldid=77182 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-35) 10Page has been created! > 1599418753 664227 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Anyfix14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77314&oldid=77313 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-38) 10Jelly is already in this wiki too! > 1599418836 320325 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77315&oldid=77278 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+13) 1005AB1E! < 1599419939 509619 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds peval-able in some ways < 1599419943 717178 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know < 1599420003 607200 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: have you looked at https://snowballstem.org/algorithms/ ? that compiles string transformation rules to C < 1599420018 771845 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not. < 1599420082 428244 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's neat though, I need to give that a full read. < 1599420140 711135 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the things I want to do initially is write a brainfuck-to-rewrite-rules compiler. got the tape up and running (that can be dynamically resized). comparing with the tritium BF interpreter it's slower, but not _that_ much slower. < 1599420265 297366 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hastebin.com/lefogitefo.txt < 1599420320 580622 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that tritium does JITing and optimizations whereas I'm using Go, treat tokens as fat multi-symbol strings and use a trie for rule matching makes me confused as to how they're even comparable. < 1599420606 217198 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :a set of useful optimizations would be to 1. use symbolic integer tokens instead of strings, 2. make better use of built-ins (you can see `seek`, which just speeds up the rewriting process by removing the need to find the active rewriting site), 3. compile the trie down to some actual machine code that gives you back the required "yes this matched, here's the RHS" result. < 1599420630 241385 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it'd be stupid fast. my goal is using it as a compiler target. < 1599422403 391785 :jibade__!~jibade@host86-187-174-209.range86-187.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1599422976 593610 :jibade__!~jibade@host86-187-174-209.range86-187.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1599424065 601068 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1599432092 370006 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599433854 63971 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1599433888 42289 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599433889 981193 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599433913 41357 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1599448251 184046 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0705AB1E14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77316&oldid=77311 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+38) 10/* Cat program */ > 1599448341 187269 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:SunnyMoon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77317&oldid=77312 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+422) 10 > 1599449203 203635 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Datums14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77318&oldid=77310 5* 03BlueOkiris 5* (+0) 10/* Examples */ < 1599449989 285837 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@nat-pool-13-124.soborka.net QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1599450040 98022 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0705AB1E14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77319&oldid=77316 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+223) 10/* Truth-machine */ 05AB1E is my first golfing language. > 1599450136 548183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0705AB1E14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77320&oldid=77319 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-160) 10/* Cat program */ < 1599450268 180450 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there text only Pokemon battle simulators in C? > 1599450284 559536 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0705AB1E14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77321&oldid=77320 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-41) 10/* Truth-machine */ > 1599452223 555092 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07///14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77322&oldid=77275 5* 03Quadril-Is 5* (+0) 10/./!/ < 1599452691 427872 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1599452905 195041 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started something, but it isn't very much yet. It is intended to be a data set suitable for such purpose, and a C program to implement it, with a telnet interface, usable on local networks (no internet connection is needed). < 1599453893 321445 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`' < 1599453894 942408 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :879) I've heard the manga of Das Kapital is actually pretty good. > 1599454446 360014 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Entrance14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77323&oldid=73776 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+2404) 10Add more examples < 1599454569 779601 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1599454581 671791 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Entrance14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77324&oldid=77323 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+13) 10 < 1599454655 9187 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1599454655 240707 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1599456926 26997 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Entrance14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77325&oldid=77324 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+1150) 10Add one more example > 1599459508 217369 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Entrance14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77326&oldid=77325 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+882) 10Just two more examples > 1599459629 94178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Entrance14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77327&oldid=77326 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-1) 10 < 1599459957 428206 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: are you working with any pure string rewrite (Thue) programs without extensions ("builtins"?) < 1599459989 597876 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The builtins kind of killed my interest. < 1599460429 435313 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:c569:83e2:c0d:cf4 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1599460477 959261 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-101-220.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599460556 918819 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah. our use of built-ins is pretty small. I've only been making use of "seek", which takes a pattern and moves it next to another pattern. < 1599460601 309056 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be reasonably simulated by some intermediary tokens. it was just intended for cutting down on time spent moving symbols around. < 1599460637 64883 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :built-ins can't be used until we have a suitable mock for them in actual rewrite rules. referential transparency and all that. < 1599461055 660482 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-101-220.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599461084 119714 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:f0af:c014:d00a:16a5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599462131 564035 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:10d0:6feb:c200:ae66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599462243 58772 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:f0af:c014:d00a:16a5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1599463465 27666 :divergence!~div@176.61.146.96 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1599463555 633350 :diverger!~div@196.244.191.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599466180 237278 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599466303 899227 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599468835 961522 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599468959 49595 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1599469855 567011 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1599470231 3070 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1599470668 582929 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1599471068 608861 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Bananaapple 5* 10New user account > 1599471193 38464 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77328&oldid=77252 5* 03Bananaapple 5* (+248) 10 > 1599472208 47739 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Filth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77329&oldid=62330 5* 03Bananaapple 5* (+119) 10 > 1599472768 369152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Filth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77330&oldid=77329 5* 03Bananaapple 5* (+75) 10 > 1599473194 752402 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77331&oldid=77183 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+97) 10/* General Ideas */ > 1599473268 16758 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bananaapple14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77332 5* 03Bananaapple 5* (+126) 10Created page with "Inb4 Real users don't have user pages. Look at my gitlab for my nim esolang stuff: https://gitgud.io/bananaapple/esolangs-nim" > 1599473879 582251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0705AB1E14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77333&oldid=77321 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+0) 10Implicit input is GREAT! > 1599474048 541130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0705AB1E14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77334&oldid=77333 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+0) 10I think linefeeds are prohibited in truth-machines. > 1599474704 755722 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0705AB1E14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77335&oldid=77334 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-1) 10>:-( > 1599474793 365871 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0705AB1E14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77336&oldid=77335 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+3) 10AHH THE DISSATISFACTION < 1599474922 867337 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1599475311 20162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0705AB1E14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77337&oldid=77336 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+104) 10Implicit input! > 1599475817 779273 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0705AB1E14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77338&oldid=77337 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+0) 10Fibonacci was a person. > 1599476107 18573 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77339&oldid=77191 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+34) 1005AB1E! > 1599476207 264892 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77340&oldid=76959 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+21) 1005AB1E! > 1599476362 955264 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77341&oldid=77159 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+24) 1005AB1E! > 1599476382 488519 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77342&oldid=77341 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+1) 10OH NOES! > 1599476409 343754 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77343&oldid=77342 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+0) 10AAAAH!!!!! > 1599476501 752642 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77344&oldid=77066 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+140) 10Redirection proposal. < 1599477529 806104 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 > 1599482630 200976 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071argasm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77345&oldid=72983 5* 03Zero 5* (+1) 10 < 1599483199 406206 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1599483219 939597 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599483549 74327 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1599483572 461795 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599483809 789233 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599486296 13142 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599486323 918827 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1599488184 845251 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergolden_ratio > 1599491067 624132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:SunnyMoon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77346&oldid=77181 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+216) 10Game dev update. > 1599491118 262345 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:SunnyMoon14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77347&oldid=77346 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+0) 10Oop > 1599491492 286135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:05AB1E14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77348 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+173) 10Double sources? > 1599491641 400991 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Entrance14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77349&oldid=77327 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+1) 10 < 1599493621 798623 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599496283 830605 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599497721 890740 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599497869 40672 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1599497896 93676 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1599499015 3813 :iwannagetgudatni!~andrej@84.17.46.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599499083 645456 :iwannagetgudatni!~andrej@84.17.46.21 QUIT :Client Quit < 1599499153 548110 :bananaapple!~bananaapp@84.17.46.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599499171 829373 :bananaapple!~bananaapp@84.17.46.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sup guys, I wrote my first interpreter today ^^ for Filth < 1599500371 564882 :bananaapple!~bananaapp@84.17.46.21 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exit < 1599500373 500380 :bananaapple!~bananaapp@84.17.46.21 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1599500546 682209 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done bananaappel < 1599501153 101976 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599504294 867743 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1599507035 261337 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1599507392 281128 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Quittin'. < 1599507833 285126 :shikhin!~shikhin@nat-visitorwireless-66-180-180-4.princeton.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1599509110 373388 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it called if you aim one attack and then fire a different attack instead? < 1599509600 895745 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mistake < 1599509603 915714 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1599509634 474707 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: as in deliberately because the first attack has an easier interface to aim and it keeps the aim as you switch to the second attack? < 1599509663 319448 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like aiming with a zoom sniper and then shooting a rocket exactly at the same point? < 1599510292 792824 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I mean when the second attack does not benefit at all from the first attack's aim. < 1599510849 236493 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GURPS doesn't mention aim of different attacks benefiting each other, although I suppose in some cases it might make sense, such as if you have a laser gun with two modes, or if you have two different kind of breath attacks, etc. < 1599511341 389026 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what I did. I started by aiming a magic staff which shoots fire balls (there was only one charge left), and next turn used a psychic mind blast instead, which does not benefit from the aim at all. It did end up helping. < 1599512100 487364 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next thing to do is to write some mark on some clothing for a otyugh, which is difficult due to not having any suitable clothing. < 1599512323 562392 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so why did you do that? to distract the enemies by making them think you'll do a different attack so they can't react well? < 1599512342 847036 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1599515211 72889 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1599515317 862543 :shikhin!~shikhin@nat-visitorwireless-66-180-180-4.princeton.org QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1599515318 8594 :shikhin_!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1599515735 57824 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1599516842 900578 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1599518799 573909 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599519602 112704 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kzhcaqcsdoponxwy JOIN :#esoteric < 1599521064 81274 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat: https://twitter.com/StefanSzeider/status/1302868135633211392?s=20 < 1599521818 95742 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1599524992 12794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0705AB1E14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77350&oldid=77338 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (-21) 10 < 1599527372 922692 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kzhcaqcsdoponxwy QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1599529651 928555 :FraterEST!~adrianbib@172.243.83.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599529657 900040 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@172.243.83.76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1599535561 974345 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1599536521 92189 :FraterEST!~adrianbib@172.243.83.76 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599538882 885928 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: so... glucose is the only improvement, everything else made matters worse ;) < 1599539154 629634 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric > 1599540221 200880 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:SunnyMoon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77351&oldid=77317 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+192) 10 < 1599541090 186339 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1599541212 95090 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599542803 970856 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1599545851 119518 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599549527 320101 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599551104 877383 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1599551542 195042 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-101-220.ip.prioritytelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599551543 422842 :tromp!~tromp@ip-213-127-101-220.ip.prioritytelecom.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599551575 108784 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:f111:cc0:e1:201a JOIN :#esoteric < 1599551727 622973 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:10d0:6feb:c200:ae66 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599551865 319829 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599552590 120116 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599552723 857403 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599553111 556802 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1599553271 820500 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn’t the weather nice < 1599553640 980304 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m disposing of my old C++, HTML, CSS, JS, Delphi and something books putting them away to do something later. Shame they almost surely aren’t interesting to anyone for some time, as there are internet resources aplenty < 1599553692 523623 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C++ ones weren’t even about any of the modern language standards < 1599553727 625223 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :even at their printing dates :( < 1599553980 15038 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe their authors thought the differences are minor and mainly surface-level, or maybe those were the times so even they weren’t knowledgeable enough. There wasn’t much choice in bookstores on really interesting topics, and I was wise to cease going there to search something programming-related long ago. But not too long ago to have no dead weight on the shelf > 1599554801 916887 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77352&oldid=77344 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+205) 10Reply. > 1599554907 173464 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77353&oldid=77352 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+238) 10Another reply. < 1599555144 214788 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yea, there are a lot of bad programming books that teach ancient bad practices < 1599555177 578932 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really do anything with them unless you need a doorstopper < 1599555202 753524 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1599555245 778745 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kindling for a fire < 1599555289 173544 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: BTW have it ended well for that monitor with sticky buttons? < 1599555289 173600 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Fahrenheit 451 < 1599555347 881127 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: probably yes. on thursday and friday it seemed to be working fine. it will need a few more days of testing, but right now I'm a bit ill so I'm working from home, so I can't tell for sure yet < 1599555372 237752 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : kindling for a fire => they really picked an interesting word to name their ebook readers, yeah < 1599555409 350670 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: oh < 1599555425 375790 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to work in the office, and would be if this was last year < 1599555462 778778 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but right now both my boss and my supervisor told me very clearly that we are not to work in while we are ill < 1599555471 885253 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either I can work from home, or not at all < 1599555480 345382 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that’s for the best if it’s quiet at home < 1599555535 950516 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not a too tenable position, if I always have to work from home when I'm a bit ill, then I miss too much in the office, but there's not much I can do now < 1599555550 961732 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I have no kids < 1599555597 793774 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say a cold is not as severe if one’s moving not too much and can be in comfort temperature-wise < 1599555614 228127 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'll be afk for a bit, I actually have to run into the office now because I left the mouse in there. I knew I had to bring the mouse, but somehow messed it up when I packed the notebook. probably concentrated on making sure that I bring the HDMI cable. < 1599555627 491897 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1599555649 688884 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :though for something flu-like that would be more of a necessity, to avoid complications like bacteria etc < 1599555669 245923 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Well, Google used "Nexus" for their android device brand, which is a very interesting literary reference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Androids_Dream_of_Electric_Sheep%3F < 1599555681 284812 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm going to buy a new non-work computer for home, I'll tell about it later < 1599555705 790267 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm both excited and a bit terrified because now I know approximately how much it will cost, even though the order isn't finalized yet < 1599555746 167952 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wish you luck for all of that combined! < 1599555795 483154 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1599555827 669137 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh, I didn’t remember they were called Nexus there < 1599556105 375912 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/remember/know/; I even didn’t watch the movie adaptation but heard of all that < 1599556202 54834 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only discovered this a few years ago when reading the novel. < 1599558149 60755 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there exists a universal turing machine < 1599558184 226925 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1599558185 650904 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice! < 1599558241 393141 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume we can decide halting with a turing machine, then define Lie(T) = if(Halts(T)) { loop(); } else { return; } < 1599558258 723863 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I couldn’t contain myself; this wasn’t intended to look snarky so if it ended up being such, sorry) < 1599558261 362326 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: yea, there are a lot of bad programming books that teach ancient bad practices <--- I remember when I was first learning C from a textbook my dad used at uni < 1599558264 74095 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do we get a contradiction again? Halts(Lie(Lie(Lie(...))) ?? < 1599558277 643805 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I need to define Lie(T) = if(Halts(T(T))) { loop(); } else { return; } < 1599558288 378356 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gave a Hello World relying on very architecture-specific undefined behaviour < 1599558318 445190 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we can case on Halts(Lie(Lie)): if it does it doesn't if it doesn't it does < 1599558345 371542 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we can recursively enumerate the turing machines that do halt < 1599558402 384295 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now suppose there is a turing machine that determines if a turing machine that takes an input halts on all of its inputs < 1599558429 229598 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AlwaysHalts(TM) = TM(0) halts and TM(1) halts and etc.. < 1599558446 975726 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can we show that AlwaysHalts is stronger that Halts? < 1599558482 213957 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly AlwaysHalts lets us implement halts, just make a turing machine that drops its input and executes a TM that takes no input < 1599558549 612097 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can enumerate all halting TMs, so we can use the universal TM with that to construct a turing machine with input n that executes the n'th turing machine that halts I think? And AlwaysHalts is true of this < 1599558606 914912 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it really does seem to be stronger, as there are infinitely many inputs and we can’t prove a TM halts for all of them in finite time… < 1599558606 914968 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense that Halts wouldn't be able to answer this question, since if you wanted to tweak it to have no input you could maybe have it execute every halting TM in sequence < 1599558612 970049 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that wouldn't halt even though every single TM would halt < 1599558616 379102 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this isn't a proof < 1599558635 595935 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1599558644 247976 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we do another simple Liar type construction? < 1599558667 820136 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : How can we show that AlwaysHalts is stronger that Halts? <-- show that AlwaysHalts is only recursively enumerable *even if* you have an oracle that answers Halts for you < 1599558699 282558 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that < 1599558727 78746 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like Liar but that calls the oracle might work < 1599558757 734768 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one needs to show that its complement is not enumerable hm < 1599558839 663135 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compliment would be TMs with one input that don't halt for at least once input (right?) < 1599558926 842780 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like we could enumerate these: we would loop over n and make sure the n'th turing machine doesn't halt. So this language is the union of NthLoops(0) u NthLoops(1) u ... < 1599558945 713220 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you know any compliments? < 1599558945 835201 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: in drscheme random works for me... i am not very good < 1599558948 915165 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : the compliment would be TMs with one input that don't halt for at least once input (right?) => yep < 1599559036 915869 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: don’t be so shy < 1599559037 60476 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: okay, now what would happen < 1599559181 798819 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: but again we wouldn’t get the negative answer is finite time? < 1599559197 26508 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :in* < 1599559246 550579 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 > 1599559712 148318 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77354&oldid=77328 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+271) 10 > 1599559739 923767 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77355&oldid=75742 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+280) 10/* Simple game ("Less or More") */ Added another version I created < 1599560302 636054 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric > 1599560320 585924 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DGCK81LNN14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77356 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+658) 10Created page with "Hi, my username is quite confusing and you can call me Roy. I'm from China and I'm kinda addicted in in [[Befunge]] these days. __NOTOC__ ==== A [[Befunge]] program that creat..." > 1599560372 429914 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DGCK81LNN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77357&oldid=77356 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+0) 10 > 1599560894 184360 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DGCK81LNN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77358&oldid=77357 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+594) 10 < 1599562028 495138 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599562036 871263 :hakatashi2!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric > 1599563128 95796 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:SunnyMoon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77359&oldid=77351 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+161) 10Answer alert! < 1599564826 253410 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1599564829 376579 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really get this < 1599564841 594501 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i willl try some scribbling later > 1599566283 772195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth machine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77360 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+27) 10Redirection. > 1599566367 647557 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77361&oldid=77353 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+118) 10Done! < 1599566506 442763 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1599570148 481961 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1599570169 916849 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599571625 58131 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1599575772 427065 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Supyovalk 5* 10New user account > 1599576170 573522 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77362&oldid=77354 5* 03Supyovalk 5* (+153) 10/* Introductions */ > 1599576208 805934 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77363&oldid=77362 5* 03Supyovalk 5* (+90) 10 > 1599576262 251035 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Binary to unary conversion14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77364&oldid=74696 5* 03Supyovalk 5* (+218) 10/* Examples in programming languages */ > 1599576349 51281 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07T14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77365 5* 03Lebster 5* (+110) 10Created page with "T is a work-in-progress esolang being created by [[user:Lebster]]. The project started in early september 2020" > 1599576390 683498 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Lebster14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77366&oldid=75987 5* 03Lebster 5* (+110) 10/* Created Languages */ > 1599576392 111578 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Binary to unary conversion14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77367&oldid=77364 5* 03Supyovalk 5* (-35) 10/* Phyton 3.0 - removed useless print lines*/ < 1599578122 91642 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1599579908 884495 :atslash!~atslash@static.231.107.9.5.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1599580750 374417 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599582012 392544 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric > 1599582367 975996 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Befunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77368&oldid=77355 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (-1) 10/* Simple game ("Less or More") */ < 1599584275 306853 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599584389 111200 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1599584446 357871 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1599586303 31871 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:8d3f:64d1:78b3:7501 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599586521 53948 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:f111:cc0:e1:201a QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1599587368 41121 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1599589174 474687 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any updates on turing machines? < 1599589341 31275 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: IDK, I’m dumb today < 1599589452 568859 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I woke up earlier to receive a midi keyboard I ordered and it arrived only just a twenty minutes ago :D < 1599589470 395717 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :logistic difficultes < 1599589482 725662 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fun! > 1599589491 482869 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Baguette 5* 10New user account < 1599589521 105542 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I’ll read a bit of webfiction, go sleeping and only tomorrow unpack this thing and check if everything’s alright < 1599589532 992642 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> A machine with an oracle for the halting problem can determine whether particular Turing machines will halt on particular inputs, but they cannot determine, in general, whether machines equivalent to themselves will halt < 1599589535 192625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:129: error: :1:129: error: parse error on input ‘,’ < 1599589536 907381 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is understable < 1599589544 573934 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a good night! < 1599589626 552438 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: yeah, I have a fluttering mood a couple of days now, I hope I’ll restart making some music, maybe I’ll be able to explore microtonality (though the 12edo keyboard is not as optimal, it’s still way better than nothing!) < 1599589673 775015 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, have a good night also when you’ll go to sleep! < 1599589699 976681 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully there would be absolutely no defects > 1599589721 44544 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77369&oldid=77363 5* 03Baguette 5* (+392) 10/* Introductions */ < 1599589727 700811 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m a bit anxious when it comes to buying things of this scale > 1599589745 536990 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77370&oldid=77369 5* 03Baguette 5* (+1) 10/* Introductions */ < 1599591082 689899 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/apu_yokai/status/1303308968521940994 < 1599591088 407327 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make nand gates out of physical linkages < 1599591172 103508 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh neat < 1599591243 159151 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me, i got an ad for this toy the other day https://www.turingtumble.com/ < 1599591337 490744 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I remember when they were doing the Kickstarter for that, I believe someone came up with a simulator not long after < 1599591402 623446 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can make nand gates out of physical linkages => wow, and relatively simple! < 1599591424 16624 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1599591432 757962 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg thats so awesom < 1599591844 34993 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1599592063 390764 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:c94:a2fd:66b9:2386 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599592122 211729 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds a bit of Turing trains or what were they called > 1599593462 555012 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SCREAMCODE14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77371 5* 03Baguette 5* (+2137) 10Create the SCREAMCODE page > 1599593562 837231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77372&oldid=76864 5* 03Baguette 5* (+75) 10/* Brainfuck derivatives */ > 1599593829 671076 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Baguette14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77373 5* 03Baguette 5* (+84) 10Created page with "I'm an 18-year-old Computer Science student, and the loser that made [[SCREAMCODE]]." < 1599594010 423011 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can talk about recognition and acceptance of languages > 1599594258 533943 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SCREAMCODE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77374&oldid=77371 5* 03Baguette 5* (+155) 10 > 1599595160 853157 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SCREAMCODE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77375&oldid=77374 5* 03Baguette 5* (+34) 10Specify tape size < 1599595219 949808 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1599595287 696419 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that linkage thing is hella neat. < 1599595312 114246 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cr31.co.uk/stagecast/trains/tt0_intro.html <-- the turing trains thing. < 1599595372 779571 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Openttd, and I was just thinking of it because I think there's some unexplored eso-potential for building the same logic circuits in a less efficient way > 1599595563 218277 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Baguette14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77376 5* 03Baguette 5* (+50) 10Created page with "If you want, you can email me at baguette@SDF.ORG." > 1599595932 427731 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77377&oldid=77315 5* 03Baguette 5* (+17) 10/* S */ > 1599595966 394481 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SCREAMCODE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77378&oldid=77375 5* 03Baguette 5* (+28) 10 < 1599596277 823341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did some crude OpenTTD logic gates back some 15 years ago, and probably talked about them here. < 1599596399 978361 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that before or after path-based signals? < 1599596472 117591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right on the dot, more or less. NPF ("New Pathfinding") was in the trunk, but not in any release. It did rely on that. < 1599596480 786510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/2005-10-21-ttd-logic if you're interested. < 1599596515 565942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, maybe it predates path signals and just relies on pre-signals. < 1599596547 747058 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, pre-signals are much older, they come from ttdpatch < 1599596560 109837 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most logic relies on pre-signals or path-based signals < 1599596570 999104 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it relies on at least some pre-signals < 1599596587 849443 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you use path signals, pre-signals are needed for some parts of the logic < 1599596631 332496 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I admit there's still a lot that I don't understand about openttd logic < 1599596653 781453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The path signals follow a different concept and were first introduced with OpenTTD version 0.7." Okay, it's before that, because the writeup mentions 0.4.0.1 as the most recent release. < 1599596662 647638 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because all the tutorials and coop savegames have horribly large complicated examples, not small minimal constructions to demonstrate one thing and only tha < 1599596769 175962 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The image is rather big: a 1450x708px PNG" ah yes, that is old. < 1599596822 803597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it really counted as that big any more, TBH. < 1599596914 430622 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far the openttd games that I play don't incorporate any specific logic, that is, there are signals to make trains run smoothly, but no specific tracks and signals and trains just for logic, not even the simple priority crossing < 1599596922 295827 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this might chnage < 1599596958 271982 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I manage to understand how logic works, I'll probably add eso-logic that makes the trains less efficient in effect, but more fun to watch < 1599597535 750487 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:c94:a2fd:66b9:2386 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599598215 993797 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599599745 355156 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 JOIN :#esoteric > 1599599868 669302 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Godelfish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77379 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+24) 10redirect from ascii < 1599599872 122729 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an entire channel for esolangs? < 1599599886 16249 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have actually been working on an esolang as a dare < 1599599895 109615 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A RISC assembly with only 8 bit instructions < 1599599903 567595 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 8 bit opcodes like the 6502 < 1599599909 635717 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 bit instructions < 1599599909 756537 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets weirder from here. < 1599599933 393441 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you can modify brainfuck to RISC and get 4 bit instructions < 1599599940 918425 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually not really an esolang < 1599599956 417380 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put quite a bit of effort to cram the most useful stuff into 256 instructions < 1599599983 215266 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try making one with a 6 bit instruction width < 1599599990 863032 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So all programs will be in base 64 < 1599600058 949480 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome oshaboy < 1599600061 896247 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :oshaboy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1599600076 617189 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there's an entire channel. but it doesn't always stay on topic. < 1599600112 826650 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://docs.google.com/document/d/13043UrFZGNRNyHOM0GJprrVCFdFIiRqx05xet2FEQSM/edit?usp=sharing < 1599600116 821950 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here are the details < 1599600124 420047 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made some room for 7 more instructions < 1599600131 492644 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think I should add? < 1599600308 675879 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1599601734 242598 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SCREAMCODE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77380&oldid=77378 5* 03Baguette 5* (+20) 10 > 1599602015 417189 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SCREAMCODE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77381&oldid=77380 5* 03Baguette 5* (+28) 10 > 1599602253 703155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SCREAMCODE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77382&oldid=77381 5* 03Baguette 5* (-15) 10 < 1599602350 586376 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599602354 504525 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oshaboy: that seems like it only has a very inefficient way to load an immediate to a register. you need like six instructions for it, unless I'm missing something. < 1599602425 63258 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oshaboy: also I don't understand how you have a "SUB AX,BY" macro that expands to "SUB X,Y" when there doesn't seem to be an instruction or macro "SUB X,Y" < 1599602588 529832 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1599602835 170984 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oshaboy: have you considered restricting some of those instructions in favor of being able to load an immediate byte more efficiently, since that's useful and you only have indirect jumps; or cheating by adding an instruction that loads from the immediate byte after the instruction and skips that byte; or at least cheating with PC-relative addresses like in PDP-8? < 1599602938 284815 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Talked with them about it earlier < 1599602950 681955 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oshaboy: also I don't understand how jumps farther than 128 bytes work, since all the branch instructions seem to have only short offsets < 1599602951 299686 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're strongly opposed to immediates of any form for some reason. < 1599602985 640463 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since the code doesn't seem very compact, you will need a lot of far jumps < 1599602998 882745 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you supposed to set up a jump ladder like once every 120 bytes? < 1599603015 473659 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also have you written any example programs and interpreter? < 1599603017 991676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i SUB AX,BY = AB SUB X,Y < 1599603039 681026 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc they've done neither? < 1599603056 613604 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :having all of LDIFF, SUBF, and FLIPF seems rather redundant < 1599603602 163516 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: I guess I just don't know what counts as a "RISC" here. if I really wanted to build something low-level with 8-bit opcodes, I'd make it full cisc. < 1599603630 757027 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure how much you need to be able to call it "RISC", so I can't give good advice. < 1599603700 264862 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, loading immidiates is quite inefficient, but I doubt there is a better way < 1599603721 557886 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the psuedo ops are based on an older instruction set, I didn't update them < 1599603807 352719 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: There is LONGJUMP < 1599603834 848027 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is absolute < 1599603856 156695 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1599603917 348295 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well if I have a loader of the next byte it isn't really an 8 bit instruction, is it < 1599603963 331344 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I said "cheat" < 1599603967 112065 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how often do you need an immediate that requires more than 3 bits set? < 1599603971 310863 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*immideate < 1599603978 212170 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oshaboy: often, if that's how you can short jump[ < 1599604009 150895 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't spell < 1599604025 748234 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point < 1599604049 269418 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can also store an immiditi you use often in memory < 1599604064 792343 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oshaboy: how do you load it though? you have to load the address first < 1599604108 917726 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I will add an unconditional skip so you can sneak bytes into the code < 1599604290 180159 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you do xor x,x; set; putf x,1; memory a,x; skip; byte 0xaa; < 1599604346 930927 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I think it is easier to just do xor a,a; set; putf a,1; putf a,3; putf a,5; putf a,7 < 1599604359 514550 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oshaboy: that's hardly an improvement, you can already load anything with just five or six instructions I think < 1599604376 289213 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean any byte < 1599604407 788356 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think bit sets are enough < 1599604420 681270 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ldi is a bit cheating < 1599604438 912782 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :requires 2 clock cycles on a theoretical processor < 1599604494 307366 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually on RISC the only commands that require more than 1 cycle are memory and branch instructions < 1599604501 749253 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this is kind of an esolang anyway < 1599604512 495669 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so weird implementation is kind of a given < 1599604544 911418 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599604865 790666 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at y'all talking about processor cycles and stuff that takes nanoseconds. I'm jelly. < 1599605167 93010 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599605273 272214 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: looking at their instruction set, they have a fatal flaw with the whole "RISC" thing anyways: < 1599605292 652456 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more complex to implement than a proper RISC < 1599605345 531478 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1599605606 924400 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599605793 802893 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a version of the "Fixed" fonts with DEC encodings and other encodings? < 1599605905 284206 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With what I have, some characters will not work.) < 1599605907 733168 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: monospace font? < 1599605964 464216 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and specifically bitmap font too < 1599606009 429318 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: which encodings? DEC has multiple < 1599606054 446913 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them. < 1599606092 180319 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, unicode fonts should support most things...? < 1599606122 954828 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599606159 180555 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun, Unicode is missing some from DEC Technical < 1599606160 866185 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they don't. For one thing, the DEC Technical character set is not supported. < 1599606188 891970 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem characters are 31 through 37, rest have unicode equivs < 1599606232 509207 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :those in particular < 1599606243 189682 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could solve by making your own font data in the private use area < 1599606256 364618 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :and having some translation method < 1599606268 524047 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although I do not want a Unicode encoded font, but rather a font encoded using the DEC encoding < 1599606306 125792 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if anything even would support such a font < 1599606312 716810 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the usecase? < 1599606316 708295 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on what software? < 1599606328 758097 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Conversion between Unicode and other encodings is not always lossless anyways) < 1599606335 291963 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to make a better terminal emulator. < 1599606357 224430 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you might need to develop the font yourself < 1599606385 853251 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :best way to do that would be to render unicode characters and make good use of the private use area, imo < 1599606394 178089 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the character properties between Unicode and other character sets do not always match, either) < 1599606455 877677 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUA can have whatever properties you want < 1599606534 500072 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you tell programs to use them though? As far as I know, I have not seen any such thing. < 1599606555 208352 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Your terminal emulator is presumably the only thing that'd use it, internally, to make font handling easier < 1599606589 804873 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :would let you use an existing font renderer < 1599606698 694774 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :X has font rendering < 1599606745 655644 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :X font rendering probably shouldn't be used. It's effectively deprecated, like the rest of X that's not just frame buffers < 1599606774 450147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't people still use Xft? < 1599606776 273676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1599606792 694371 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much everything uses freetype and other renderers directly in a framebuffer < 1599606823 820069 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I prefer to use bitmap fonts instead, and I think the X font rendering is suitable < 1599606856 111417 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want bitmap, implement it yourself, it's very simple for monospace. Xft is on it's last legs. < 1599606872 380801 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :even then freetype supports bitmap < 1599606879 423672 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean Xft; I mean the X core font rendering < 1599606936 884293 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :X core font rendering is extremely legacy < 1599607012 867378 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it. < 1599607044 265314 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something is included with distributions solely for compatibility reasons, you probably shouldn't use it < 1599607056 604947 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be writing modern legacy software < 1599607146 621126 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been legacy since 2000 < 1599607161 43794 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably a bit earlier than that < 1599607201 788850 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better for future compatibility to not depend on old X11 features < 1599607252 437875 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, Wayland is starting to make it's way into being the default windowing environment for some distributions < 1599607271 796224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wayland just seems worse than X. < 1599607290 698303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope people don't settle on it. < 1599607352 841341 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still use X and do not want to use Wayland. Would there be a way to display Wayland programs inside of a X window though (each one in its own window)? < 1599607371 389074 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programs will likely support both for a long time < 1599607390 669935 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people use wrappers for handling window initialization/framebuffers so their stuff works on all platforms < 1599607455 999806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote Xlib code and it was a little clunky but overall it worked OK. < 1599607467 975847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I tried to port my thing to Wayland and it was so unpleasant I just gave up. < 1599607493 749767 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I use rust, I'm usually using Winit or a similar wrapper that handles the details for me. For C/C++ there's SDL2 < 1599607582 466063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL is OK until it doesn't do something you want. < 1599607604 191882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if a platform API is good, it should be usable directly. < 1599607615 329266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wayland's excuse "everyone just uses GTK anyway" is ridiculous. < 1599607629 863919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The excuse for only doing client-side decorations.) < 1599607659 373810 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes use SDL1, for some things. < 1599607687 334044 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like GTK much though; I like some of the features of Xaw, which newer libraries don't do < 1599607717 686135 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: xdg-decoration was added for this. Either way I do agree Wayland isn't ideal < 1599607720 320461 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it does not seem to be able to configure GTK to work like Xaw < 1599607725 838135 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's also best to not depend on old X11 features < 1599607739 37507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which old X11 features? < 1599607748 316757 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :X core font in zzo38's case < 1599607765 317930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Maybe? < 1599607835 615533 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: per Xorg's info on fonts: `While X.Org continues to maintain the core fonts system, client software authors are encouraged to switch to Xft as soon as possible.` < 1599607852 640778 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's either xft, or using freetype/etc like most of the ecosystem < 1599607900 442746 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :moony: Yes, I know that, and I don't want to use that. I specifically want to use non-Unicode bitmap fonts. < 1599607943 87312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad text rendering is incredibly complicated. < 1599607950 782186 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use bitmap fonts though. And refusing to use Unicode will get you into a host of issues, tbh < 1599607968 276957 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the kind of situation private use areas were allocated for < 1599607986 629016 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need to be able to redefine font data though, which I believe some terminals can do < 1599607993 244874 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be better off drawing the font yourself < 1599608028 805463 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and a different set of issues than refusing to use stuff other than Unicode. It depends on the application. Unicode is helpful for displaying web pages, for one thing. For many things it just gets in the way though. < 1599608095 910924 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(PUA only partially helps. It causes its own set of problems.) < 1599608131 623522 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And, of course, for some thing is very good idea to avoid homoglyph attacks.) < 1599608227 917547 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :if my goal was high compat with DEC terminals, i'd implement the font rendering myself, and store character data as u16s with a UTF-8 mapping available to convert it as needed < 1599608267 806290 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which, on that note, a high compat terminal is in my interest, working on VAX emulation and all) < 1599608433 194676 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One problem with using Unicode for terminal emulation is the need for character property tables. (I designed my own encoding for terminal emulation (and not for anything else; it is for one use only) that gets rid of the need for character property tables.) < 1599608437 522177 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What terminals does VAX use? < 1599608445 182870 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :various VTs < 1599608486 881937 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :for system consoles, it's a custom terminal, iirc VAX-11/780's is a PDP-11/terminal hybrid that handles the whole bootstrap process alongside being a way to interface with the machine < 1599608546 509789 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did think is VT, being DEC VAX, but that doesn't tell me which one. Also, is there a document for the terminal codes for the system consoles? < 1599608587 623005 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :System consoles have an entirely custom, machine dependent bus. It's not worth the time trying to emulate them separately from the VAX itself < 1599608599 294907 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the VTs used: all of them. It's a super-mini, you can hook whatever to it < 1599608653 659479 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, where did you hide the body? < 1599608653 905727 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: anything else i could do it in bf: fnord/ fnord/ fr-wiki-data and i just asked < 1599608670 791079 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grabs 780 maint handbook real quick
< 1599608704 840329 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I expected as much, but which were common (or were all DEC terminals common)? Even if it is not worth trying to emulate the system consoles separately from the VAX itself, still would be helpful to know what the codes are, both to write software for VAX and just being curious to compare them. < 1599608706 678085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1599608706 846587 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube < 1599608718 8918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ukparl < 1599608718 136932 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ukparl (UK Parliament debates from brexit referendum to late 2018) < 1599608739 215266 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :codes are the same as a normal VT system. VT220, VT340, etc, were all common. Just look at the most common VTs and you'll know the most common for use with VAX :P < 1599608829 71031 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so they are the same codes, even if it is a custom terminal. < 1599608829 216606 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :VAX-11/780's system console is connected by a 30 pin cable to a card in the cabinet, for example. No point in emulating that < 1599608832 572806 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1599608894 259170 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there probably is no point emulating VAX system console except for emulating VAX itself. < 1599608930 217281 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as the 780 system console basically has direct access to the ucode pathways, so it'd be abstracted away in any sane emulator < 1599609145 99816 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've looked into implementing a ucode level 780 emulator and it looks like quite a large task, and it'd have terrible performance < 1599609147 964227 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :for little gain < 1599609154 947645 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1599610185 57195 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1599611083 88166 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-126.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599611279 546056 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Do something with format specifiers' they told. 'It'll be fun they' they told me. < 1599611289 35197 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down another rabbit hole. < 1599612131 995849 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how rule-based programming can be anywhere as fast as imperative programming. the hot loop of searching for which rule to match alone is going to take more time than a single instruction. < 1599612271 457684 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the programming language, it might be possible to make it fast after the program has been compiled. < 1599612407 223499 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how. my base case is rewrite rules over strings. the matcher logic for a given ruleset can be compiled down to a trie or a DFA, and that can be turned into native code, but in my tests, that's still too slow. < 1599612504 133360 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I just made the suggestion. < 1599612609 433469 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... it'd thrash the branch predictor. < 1599613142 205812 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're lucky and there's some pattern to it, you might be able to get a Zen (AMD Ryzen/Threadripper/EPYC lines) CPU to cooperate with the branches, but I think that's really it < 1599613601 383300 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just correct. Usually, rule-based languages or rewriters are slower than imperative programming. But they're still useful. < 1599613673 612690 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Herculean effort you can sometimes compile programs down to their imperative counterpart, though. But usually not. < 1599614013 725330 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful that it's possible with string rewriting. < 1599614101 65148 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the rules and what you think is the imperative counterpart to those rules. But in general, impossible. < 1599614301 218331 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sad because there's so many useful things about the paradigm. your state is just the current "fact store" (the string in the case of string rewriting) and the rules that are run against the fact store. how in the hell is prolog performant. < 1599614524 722859 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell can do it sometimes. Something like: Take 'fac', analyze it as better strict, compile the matches to conditions, translate the recursion to a loop. Presto, same microcode as the C equivalent. < 1599614595 781678 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's a whole lot of compiler voodoo. I guess something like 40 manyears to arrive in that state. < 1599614646 655919 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same effort as writing a compiler for a lazy functional language and then attach a normal C compiler with optimizations to it. < 1599614754 303350 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule based programming is just full of conditions, though. the core loop is just if/else if/else if/else if/else if/else if/... unless you have a reasonable way of shortcutting that linear search. < 1599614813 948867 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you compiled that down to assembly, the basis would just be a bunch of branches. < 1599615052 528298 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of additional voodoo in term rewriters to try and compile most of that out. Mostly -whatsitscalled- deforestation. Just preven intermediate things you match against from ever existing by clever fusion rules. < 1599615067 353127 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prevent < 1599615760 824436 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I should look into that. < 1599615850 30853 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599616328 892997 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1599616538 907053 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599618213 973326 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1599620242 98572 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599620284 576148 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: format "{} {}" "hello" "world" < 1599620284 576219 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello world" < 1599621802 830575 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1599622158 600324 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599622176 674683 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599622223 933473 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: format "{} {:#06x}" "a number" 42 < 1599622224 53998 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a number 0x002a" < 1599622232 273707 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By popular request. < 1599623271 49008 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Verazol, Parter of Currents' was leaked. Looks interesting. > 1599627492 142286 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Emoji14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77383 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+235) 10Created page with "Do the commands that take input pop the items they use? Ex. Does (add top 2) on the stack (1,2) turn the stack into (1,2,3) or (3)? ~~~~" < 1599627524 33058 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599627626 416383 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1599627626 416448 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1599631016 13214 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599634153 71034 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599635966 837934 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1599637964 97107 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1599638463 62635 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Theorem. There are Turing computable partial functions that have no extension to a total Turing computable function. In particular, the partial function f defined so that f(n) = m if and only if the Turing machine with index n halts on input 0 with output m has no extension to a total computable function. < 1599638561 943086 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1599638584 969546 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1599638778 84127 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1599639224 285536 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599639363 820282 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599639379 577116 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1599641753 939771 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( M(T) := if f(T(T)) = 1 then 0 else 1 ) < 1599642544 754670 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so f is just eval([N(0)]) < 1599642562 211810 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :M is taking in T and evaling [T(T)(0)] ? < 1599642568 685182 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not'ing its result < 1599642852 126471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since f is passing an argument, I guess M should take two arguments, M(T,x) = if f([\x. `T`(`T`,x)]) = 1 then 0 else 1 ) < 1599642875 528643 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as usual there's a substitution step involved. < 1599642885 7383 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as usual in those diagonalization constructions) < 1599642899 839266 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and what properties is this M going to have? < 1599642958 236203 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you look at f([\x. M([M],x)]). < 1599643013 265521 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, my notation isn't good enough. < 1599643091 4815 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :notationally, this stuff can be pretty awkward < 1599643092 255198 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the point is that M is supposed to reconstruct \x. M([M],x) from [M]. < 1599643101 938848 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe quasiquotes like in lisp would be good < 1599643103 890503 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And pass the result to f. < 1599643152 139533 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that f([\x. M([M],x)]) = 1 <--> f([\x. M([M],x)]) = 0 < 1599644099 897978 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599644397 495544 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: what's meant by 'extension'? < 1599646343 930655 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599647305 57751 :salpynx!794954f8@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599651022 601962 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kritixilithos < 1599651037 795900 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) is defined for some values and the turing machine does not halt so it is not defined for other values < 1599651058 181912 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an extension is a function that matches it on defined values, and may terminate and produce values on f's undefineds < 1599651072 813213 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking how nice it would be to assign types to turing machise < 1599651080 969677 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like ::= N | -> < 1599651160 302605 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't really do this < 1599651184 990514 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the liar program essentially depends on you putting T(T(T(T(...))) basically an infinite type/non well founded type < 1599651238 435124 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intuitive concepts are matched up with formal things on the arithmetic heierearchy < 1599651268 77400 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :decidable set: t.m. halts with 1 if element is in the set, 0 if element is not in the set -- this is a Delta_0^1 set < 1599651272 895390 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599651288 164616 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :semidecidable set: t.m. halts with 1 if element is in the set, diverges if not -- this is a Sigma_0^1 set < 1599651332 589585 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of all total computable functions: every element of this set is a t.m. that halts on all inputs - this is suppose to be Pi_2 < 1599651346 775360 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know why yet < 1599651353 965131 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to study posts theorem < 1599651365 866926 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I need to know about turing jumps (?) < 1599652083 22160 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: thanks for the definition. curious, what resources are you using to learn about this? < 1599652308 80353 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1599652331 887856 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599653903 800751 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599654511 69001 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia.. :< < 1599654515 802803 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a better resource < 1599656334 684394 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599657003 660346 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1599657087 796917 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the halting problem proof can be done at any level < 1599657093 202980 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lets call normal one level 0 < 1599657098 468724 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we showed Halt does not exist at level 0 < 1599657116 342576 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but assume Halt exists at level 1 (i.e. level 1 is turing machines with a halting oracle) < 1599657131 57659 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be < 1599657138 596829 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an esolang with that premise iirc < 1599657140 629149 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't implement Halt_1 at this level < 1599657150 865182 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halt_1 being a decision procedure that tells you if a level 1 machine halts < 1599657166 5367 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we just use the same proof as the normal halting problem proof? < 1599657183 420962 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1599657197 102362 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for each halting problem level you can solve, you will create a new one < 1599657204 905663 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is good < 1599657690 58298 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does this relate to arithmetic heierarchy < 1599657740 645158 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1599657750 329450 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :" i need a better resource" i had started https://www.comp.nus.edu.sg/~fstephan/recursiontheory-pdflatex.pdf a while back < 1599657765 365345 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah i remember this < 1599657770 730452 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! < 1599657936 485957 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :some proofs however aren't shown in full, so i took a break from it to start reading another book < 1599658210 393611 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again, asking for a proof that diophantine sets are r.e. might be a bit too much < 1599658365 175707 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a good book on that, hilberts 10th problem < 1599658379 757674 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hardest part was finding a way to express exponentiation < 1599658518 205603 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, might take a look into that later < 1599659344 576755 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599659763 784152 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599660067 97841 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599660495 784483 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599661025 39482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599661947 86450 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Quit: gone too far > 1599662128 916050 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77384 5* 03Zero 5* (+2184) 10Created page with " = THE_LAST_ACTION_LANGUAGE = == overview == * natural-language agnostic (all keywords are 1 special character) so you can program in Toki Pona * values are mutabl..." < 1599662163 794013 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599662238 170088 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1599662422 712042 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77385&oldid=77384 5* 03Zero 5* (+3) 10 > 1599662571 29204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77386&oldid=77385 5* 03Zero 5* (+93) 10 > 1599662601 592238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77387&oldid=77386 5* 03Zero 5* (+12) 10 > 1599662888 893115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77388&oldid=77387 5* 03Zero 5* (+57) 10 > 1599662962 518507 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77389&oldid=77388 5* 03Zero 5* (+23) 10 > 1599663434 935251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77390&oldid=77389 5* 03Zero 5* (+55) 10 < 1599664215 340000 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599664606 968985 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the terminology is so slippery < 1599664617 655858 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like any source uses a slightly different set of terms < 1599664683 374743 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones do you specifically mean? < 1599664725 286190 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stuff like recursive, semidecidable, recursively enumerable, etc. < 1599664778 36655 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh i haven't yet seen another source mean something different for any of those < 1599664842 553560 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599665003 955398 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1599665007 244530 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599665590 941397 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Ping timeout: 606 seconds < 1599665620 549980 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1599665686 871526 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am homing in on the result I was interested in < 1599665700 458430 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imgur.com/a/ZuvsRyf < 1599665854 598991 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is that from? < 1599665870 206911 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :R.E. sets and degrees - Robert Soare < 1599665953 374589 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know if id recommend it < 1599665968 370038 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jquslyutbhhtgarg JOIN :#esoteric < 1599665971 397883 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want to know this one thing < 1599665979 494208 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems to depend on a lot of theory < 1599666064 451110 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it that you want to know? < 1599666068 11553 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its hard to untangle the notation < 1599666090 645003 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a proof that the "uniform halting problem" is harder than the halting problem < 1599666103 609794 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by UHP i mean: Deciding whether a turing machine halts on all inputs < 1599666126 316527 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :determining if a turing machine halts on N inputs (for any finite N) is equivalent to the halting problem < 1599666134 6216 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for all inputs it seems to be harder < 1599666153 101750 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i haven't yet learnt about "hardness" < 1599666179 490562 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean to prove they're not equivalent < 1599666181 598716 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by harder I mean that we can't compute it even if we have a halting oracle < 1599666205 282213 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1599666545 943336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Mohs scale of computational hardness. < 1599666600 128490 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1599666802 126438 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I would like a self contained proof of Posts theorem < 1599666814 622475 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's annoying to have to read 3 chapters of a book just to have the notation for this theorem > 1599666954 156487 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77391&oldid=77390 5* 03Zero 5* (+20) 10 > 1599667069 207531 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77392&oldid=77391 5* 03Zero 5* (+9) 10 < 1599667136 34529 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can ask a really good question now < 1599667169 97975 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does a Turing machine with a Halt_1 oracle decide if a Turing machine halts on all inputs? < 1599667186 83359 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Halt_1 oracle means that we have the ability to decide if any Turing Machine with a halting oracle halts or not < 1599667242 315087 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so the first level halting oracle is Halt_0? < 1599667371 865366 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1599667390 546944 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have 3 levels here: Basic TMs, TMs with a halting oracle (halt0), TMs with a halt1 oracle < 1599667432 168507 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :level0 1 and 2 < 1599667450 275086 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we can implement some kind of level1 TM and ask if it halts to decide something about a level0 machine < 1599667505 198274 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you figure it out yet? < 1599667516 274264 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1599667589 555945 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I just managed to ask this question which crystalizes exactly what I want to know < 1599667671 465241 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I need to prove 2 things actually: That the problem is not solvable on level 1 and it is solvable on level 2 < 1599667787 366523 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this works < 1599667800 772694 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :def X(T : TM_0): < 1599667807 434714 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for n = 0 and up: < 1599667826 814777 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if !Halt0('T(n)'): return < 1599667854 497207 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now when we ask Halt1(X(T)) we get an answer to whether T halts on all inputs or not > 1599667893 727386 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77393&oldid=77392 5* 03Zero 5* (+1393) 10 < 1599667977 205118 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like it, now for the first part < 1599668025 442442 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first part may be harder < 1599668035 23535 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully it is solvable < 1599668097 430322 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So assume for contradiction that we can decide if a TM halts on all inputs or not, at level 1 < 1599668127 150558 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we have a total procedure Tot(T : TM0) which returns 0 if it's input is not total and 1 if it is < 1599668143 71381 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also have access to a halting oracle (Tot will have been implemented using this) < 1599668160 611224 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now it would be nice to perform some kind of diagonalization/liar construction to show this cannot happen > 1599668243 7122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77394&oldid=77393 5* 03Zero 5* (+249) 10 < 1599668423 606926 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" 'Do something with format specifiers' they told." => I'm sorry, you must have misunderstood me. I did mention formatted numeric output, but I didn't specifically mention format specifiers, it could have been raw format primitives too, and I would certainly never suggest new python style braced format specifiers, I HATE those, they're ruining the whole purpose of format specifiers that C and < 1599668429 557315 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :python perfected and making a mocking parody from them. If anyone told me they want to do a format parser, I'd suggest them to use C-like percent escapes (or common lisp-like tilde escapes if they prefer) < 1599668500 473343 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor would I ever suggest you to use a vararg formatting function in a curried language < 1599668558 52971 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I program python, and I use the C-like formatting function, which is still there and supported and works *almost* well, except that for some reason they haven't added hex float output format to it yet, but that shouldn't be hard to fix < 1599668584 300835 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I would say is that it seems very hard to do a simple diagonalization proof < 1599668594 938671 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because our primitive can only be applied to stuff at the level below < 1599668605 254266 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas with turings proof: we assume halt can be applied to our own levle < 1599668615 750920 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even if you have a format parser, I'd suggest to add the underlying primitives to the public API too, so people can write their own format parser, and format afloating-point numbers in decimal without having to make a format pattern from it > 1599668679 49962 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Modulous14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77395&oldid=76969 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (+1) 10 < 1599668701 31299 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: ^ < 1599668721 722934 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, this might still be more useful than nothing. > 1599668761 522937 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77396&oldid=77394 5* 03Zero 5* (+353) 10 < 1599668765 239552 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: (format "{:c}" 67) < 1599668773 891432 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1599668786 995106 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1599668807 139625 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599668814 764123 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go. < 1599668835 228516 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could we use a relative rice theorem? < 1599668939 214581 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: (format "{:c}" 67) < 1599668939 360721 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C" < 1599669009 261922 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: def box = [ 0 -> nil | N -> cons (N-1) (box (N-1)) ];; def map = [ F nil -> nil | F (cons X XX) -> cons (F X) (map F XX) ];; map [ X -> format "{:#04x}" X ] (box 16) < 1599669009 385891 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{"0x0f", "0x0e", "0x0d", "0x0c", "0x0b", "0x0a", "0x09", "0x08", "0x07", "0x06", "0x05", "0x04", "0x03", "0x02", "0x01", "0x00"} < 1599669254 996599 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1599669285 569074 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77397&oldid=77396 5* 03Zero 5* (+387) 10 < 1599669354 855934 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: No worries. It wasn't actually yours or mine decision in the end. I either a) drop to C internally, which is awkward, b) use C++ stream specifiers, which is hard to work with/a lot of work, or c) use C++20 braced format. I didn't really have a choice except choose the last one. < 1599669385 911004 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1599669410 120583 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like them. Good enough. < 1599669451 134580 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wish I coud use them in the reverse direction too. To read input. < 1599669454 907933 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*could < 1599669535 387876 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://cs.stackexchange.com/q/129977 :) < 1599669606 538458 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I like the variadic stuff too. So we just disagree on that. < 1599669643 543206 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: format "{1} {0} {1}" 1 2 < 1599669643 543262 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 1 2" < 1599669686 263646 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: yes, to some extent the interfaces in the C and C++ standard library are awkward too. But formatting floating point numbers correctly is so hard that I don't recommend anyone to reimplement it. Even if you make a whole format library, you often want to do those, there are countless precedents of programs that do that even if on windows you have to work around the weird float printer of windows < 1599669692 164806 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc (which always prints three digits for the exponent and prints infs and nans weirdly) and have to work around libc on linux (in which the formatter works fine, but the scanner has some weird behavior that is probably correct and can't be changed now but nobody really knows what the correct behavior of fscanf should be and how to fix problems when you have to be compatible with old programs). < 1599669698 483849 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: (format "{:c}" 67) < 1599669698 607506 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C" < 1599669702 205614 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: (format "{:c}" 65) < 1599669702 205666 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A" < 1599669711 295187 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, so we have an easier way to chr now < 1599669727 835693 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sure C++40 will once get format right. Seems a good bet. < 1599669729 75740 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: (format "{:c}-{:c}" 0xE1 0x151) < 1599669729 199147 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal:1:24:lexical:error in hexadecimal int < 1599669736 91043 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowercase < 1599669742 729372 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse < 1599669753 588305 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add then once. < 1599669759 147423 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: (format "{:c}-{:c}" 225 337) < 1599669759 147487 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"�-Q" < 1599669766 407146 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1599669767 275616 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still in alpha! < 1599669804 367042 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so how do I make utf-8 formatted characters from their ucs code point, is there a different formatter for that? < 1599669810 748068 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: (format "{:C}-{:C}" 225 337) < 1599669810 851270 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception("System:format invalid arguments") < 1599669814 723405 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: (format "{:lc}-{:lc}" 225 337) < 1599669814 723458 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception("System:format invalid arguments") < 1599669822 959676 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. I hardly tested. < 1599669866 901352 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/utility/format/format < 1599669870 399173 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: (format "{:c}{:c}-{:c}{:c}" 195 161 197 145) < 1599669870 524824 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"á-ő" < 1599669873 463293 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better > 1599669882 568418 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77398&oldid=77397 5* 03Zero 5* (+228) 10 < 1599669894 571523 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means I can output arbitrary bytes < 1599669902 971021 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I hope < 1599669921 144457 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: String:append (format "{:c}" 195) (format "{:c}" 161) < 1599669921 144511 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"��" < 1599669923 170688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1599669935 495158 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently only valid utf-8, it gets decoded from utf-8 right after format < 1599669939 624583 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1599669969 987266 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like I really care about this part < 1599669975 998976 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see what else you did < 1599670020 559438 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel really happy because this question has made me realize just how little I know about turing machines an < 1599670080 622121 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about it. I spend a day or two making the interpreter a bit faster. But you won't notice that. < 1599670136 821221 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to ask your other question? < 1599670175 439368 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [v->format "{.2f} {.8f} {.2g} {.8g} {.2e} {.8e}" v v v v v v] -8862.395521078714 < 1599670175 439439 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal:1:3:semantical:undeclared v < 1599670186 956240 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uppercase. < 1599670188 568329 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{.2f} {.8f} {.2g} {.8g} {.2e} {.8e}" V V V V V V] -8862.395521078714 < 1599670188 692304 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception("System:- bad arguments") < 1599670208 667987 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:.2f} {:.8f} {:.2g} {:.8g} {:.2e} {:.8e}" V V V V V V] -8862.395521078714 < 1599670208 668048 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception("System:- bad arguments") < 1599670213 582914 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, darn. I forgot to add a rewrite rule for monadic minus. < 1599670221 570842 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bug. < 1599670222 807319 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:.2f} {:.8f} {:.2g} {:.8g} {:.2e} {:.8e}" V V V V V V] (-8862.395521078714) < 1599670222 807359 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-8862.40 -8862.39552108 -8.9e+03 -8862.3955 -8.86e+03 -8.86239552e+03" < 1599670238 263333 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks correct < 1599670240 188444 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't forget? < 1599670242 794694 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:.2f} {:.8f} {:.2g} {:.8g} {:.2e} {:.8e}" V V V V V V] (-8862.395) < 1599670242 917959 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-8862.40 -8862.39500000 -8.9e+03 -8862.395 -8.86e+03 -8.86239500e+03" < 1599670261 17566 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it interpreted that as a dyadic minus expression. < 1599670298 926555 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[X->X] -2 = [X->X] - 2. < 1599670300 787514 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:#.2f} {:#.8f} {:.2f} {:.8f} {:.2g} {:.8g} {:.2e} {:.8e}" V V V V V V V V] (-8862) < 1599670300 787566 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception("System:format invalid arguments") < 1599670309 41412 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:.2#f} {:.8#f} {:.2f} {:.8f} {:.2g} {:.8g} {:.2e} {:.8e}" V V V V V V V V] (-8862) < 1599670309 210186 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception("System:format invalid arguments") < 1599670320 134329 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1599670360 169650 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:.2f} {:.8f} {:.2g} {:.8g} {:.2e} {:.8e}" V V V V V V] (-8862) < 1599670360 169703 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception("System:format invalid arguments") < 1599670362 146028 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still a bit rough around the edges. The C++ format throws an error on that of which I don't propagate the message. < 1599670376 603951 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1599670398 973504 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:.2f} {:.8f}" V V] (-8862) < 1599670398 973570 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception("System:format invalid arguments") < 1599670411 410156 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only says 'invalid arguments' whereas I probably could give a more descriptive error. < 1599670414 746954 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:.2f}" V] (-8862) < 1599670414 871087 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception("System:format invalid arguments") < 1599670435 731783 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:.2f} {:.8f} {:.2g} {:.8g} {:.2e} {:.8e}" V V V V V V] (-8862.395) < 1599670435 731860 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-8862.40 -8862.39500000 -8.9e+03 -8862.395 -8.86e+03 -8.86239500e+03" < 1599670455 335714 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:.2f}" V] (-8862.395) < 1599670455 480657 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-8862.40" < 1599670464 67446 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:.2f}" V] (-8862.0) < 1599670464 170537 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-8862.00" < 1599670465 348458 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1599670468 82934 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:.2#f}" V] (-8862.0) < 1599670468 82983 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception("System:format invalid arguments") < 1599670471 459848 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:#.2f}" V] (-8862.0) < 1599670471 459899 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-8862.00" < 1599670474 191577 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1599670480 871130 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:#f}" V] (-8862.0) < 1599670480 871186 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-8862.000000" < 1599670484 366422 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:#g}" V] (-8862.0) < 1599670484 490479 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-8862.00" < 1599670499 463688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:#g}" V] (-8862449.0) < 1599670499 590875 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-8.86245e+06" < 1599670502 464675 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:#g}" V] (-886244.0) < 1599670502 464723 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-886244.0" < 1599670505 883530 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:#g}" V] (-886244.2) < 1599670506 7777 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-886244.0" < 1599670511 70855 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1599670514 109547 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:g}" V] (-886244.2) < 1599670514 109595 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-886244" < 1599670550 931792 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not my doing. It's the `fmt` library they're adding to C++20 once. < 1599670569 323539 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it's my doing in that I want to leverage C++. < 1599670575 96215 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [V->format "{:d} {:X}" V V] 2769927127 < 1599670575 220159 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2769927127 A519BBD7" > 1599670581 843696 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77399&oldid=77398 5* 03Zero 5* (+384) 10 < 1599670590 964251 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1599670593 901209 :V!v@anomalous.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes a pained face
< 1599670692 555882 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? spam < 1599670694 577683 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spam is a delicious meat product. See http://www.spamjamhawaii.com/ < 1599670698 199511 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: format "{0} {0}" "∀" < 1599670698 323032 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"∀ ∀" < 1599670708 913194 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599670778 166995 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: format "%X" 15898557144921403118 < 1599670778 313363 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"%X" < 1599670784 28114 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: format "{:X}" 15898557144921403118 < 1599670784 151776 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"7FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF" < 1599670792 529607 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: 15898557144921403118 < 1599670792 652564 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9223372036854775807 < 1599670801 28450 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: 1<<63 < 1599670801 28502 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-9223372036854775808 < 1599670821 442879 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just saturates integer literals that are too large? interesting < 1599670833 244944 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bit ints yeah. < 1599670853 53453 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could replace that with bigints once but I won't. > 1599670856 216498 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77400&oldid=77399 5* 03Zero 5* (+249) 10 < 1599670886 33679 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1599670886 404816 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1599670892 540917 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: (-9223372036854775808) < 1599670892 540967 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-9223372036854775808 < 1599670900 553087 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: 9223372036854775808 < 1599670900 658680 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9223372036854775807 < 1599670911 580135 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: format "{:X}" -1538786743794826979 < 1599670911 704152 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception("System:format invalid arguments") < 1599670917 249675 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: format "{:X}" (-1538786743794826979) < 1599670917 371887 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-155ADE6400F87EE3" < 1599670921 327179 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1599670925 243865 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not < 1599670949 340723 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, maybe < 1599670982 587932 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it formats a signed 64-bit value, not an unsigned one < 1599670989 287827 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how you would get libc to do that I have no idea < 1599670995 356244 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1599671034 283816 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it doesn't even have format specifiers that format a signed integer as hex, if you try the number just gets interpreted as an unsigned number < 1599671129 415134 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh? Not sure what you asking but `fmt` defines the handlers for a large number of basic C types. So this is the handler which formats signed 64 bit integers. < 1599671153 643410 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, according to the system you're on. < 1599671178 409449 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: format "{}" {1} < 1599671178 533531 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"{1}" < 1599671184 600456 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: which fmt? I mean libc's printf doesn't define such formatters. other formatting libraries might. < 1599671217 245688 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fmt` is the library they're adding to C++20 as `std::format`. < 1599671217 989840 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmt`? No such file or directory < 1599671223 451971 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what I use. > 1599671323 926251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77401&oldid=77400 5* 03Zero 5* (+773) 10 < 1599671499 698765 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, another of those < 1599671690 799919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I think I used fmt for something. It seemed sane. < 1599671715 675525 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-12.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599671743 103816 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compilers are a bit slacking in adoption of it. But it's fine. I just ship with `fmt` for the moment. < 1599671813 910547 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the work was looking whether it was implemented and then incorperating `fmt` instead. < 1599671848 4521 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure by C++40 you'll have all the format specifiers you want. > 1599672150 912079 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77402&oldid=77401 5* 03Zero 5* (+513) 10 < 1599672163 858680 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: you can probably use an implementation that's not in libstdc++ but elsewhere, such as in boost, that is close enough < 1599672180 436278 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly with a namespace alias so it's easy to switch it over to a different implementation < 1599672204 112706 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to keep my dependencies to a minimum. I am already getting unsatisfied with libicu. < 1599672210 850597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Near the end of the century, it's going to get seriously confusing how the 2096 C++96 actually post-dates C++98. The same with C standards. < 1599672213 996209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO, they should've called C11 -> C111, C18 -> C118, C2x -> C12x. If it's good enough for tm_year, it should be good enough for standard abbreviations as well. < 1599672249 242503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would have also meant that publishing a new C standard in 2028 could've given us a C128. < 1599672303 202542 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I like C printf < 1599672317 51459 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not perfect, but it's usually good enough < 1599672317 423809 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes two of us. < 1599672325 980095 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than most of the nonsense that they put in newer languages < 1599672361 663688 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I just assume there's some sanity behind it. < 1599672366 544918 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-12.soborka.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: upvote < 1599672675 259974 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1599672789 982644 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQLite has its own printf, which can be called from C codes and from SQL codes. It is mostly like the C printf. > 1599672942 946764 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77403&oldid=77402 5* 03Zero 5* (+698) 10 > 1599672994 615653 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77404&oldid=77403 5* 03Zero 5* (+13) 10 < 1599673092 371552 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric > 1599673468 330965 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77405&oldid=77404 5* 03Zero 5* (+451) 10 > 1599673612 988304 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77406&oldid=77405 5* 03Zero 5* (-14) 10 > 1599673722 30721 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77407&oldid=77406 5* 03Zero 5* (+1) 10 > 1599674198 803406 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77408&oldid=77407 5* 03Zero 5* (-1) 10 < 1599674303 809150 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599674330 47045 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jquslyutbhhtgarg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1599674453 660597 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77409&oldid=77408 5* 03Zero 5* (+10) 10 < 1599674463 851182 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599674876 786297 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: bold of you to assume that human civilization will survive to 2096 < 1599674960 828422 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now the sky outside my window is a dark orange color < 1599674966 926532 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :light level comparable to an hour or more before sunrise < 1599674971 255016 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 11 AM < 1599674976 458413 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also every photo on https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/ < 1599675007 930787 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice scifi book cover < 1599675030 188760 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just add a few flying cars > 1599675038 869971 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77410&oldid=77409 5* 03Zero 5* (+189) 10 < 1599675042 310050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of Beneath A Steel Sky for some reason. < 1599675072 586015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't even think it has any scene quite like that.) < 1599675203 824245 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend texted me this morning "Is there life on Mars?" < 1599675206 985249 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... Joey. < 1599675549 826325 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why I'm learning to grow mushrooms. < 1599675552 587498 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't require sunlight < 1599675554 550496 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much, anyway < 1599675581 161640 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, there's this in the intro: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/bass1.png < 1599675649 453857 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow, I don't remember all that much of this game < 1599675742 706940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe I subconsciously remembered that or something. < 1599675845 706841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of remember it had that thing where lower-class people live on the lower levels of the city, and you needed to work your way up (via puzzles, naturally). < 1599675876 318378 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. < 1599675896 758241 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of it takes place indoors in steel blue decor < 1599675957 806625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they've got a sequel out, like, just recently? Didn't know that at all. < 1599676113 733188 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, could be interesting. < 1599676268 198731 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a couple of years, I guess. < 1599678114 898385 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599678137 873660 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric > 1599679245 500649 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77411&oldid=77410 5* 03Zero 5* (-1) 10 > 1599680833 920943 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77412&oldid=77411 5* 03Zero 5* (+1) 10 < 1599680979 153065 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1599681386 317692 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599682266 395819 :oshaboy!~oshaboy@77.138.190.250 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1599682529 366566 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77413&oldid=77412 5* 03Zero 5* (+361) 10 > 1599682728 509454 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07THE LAST ACTION LANGUAGE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77414&oldid=77413 5* 03Zero 5* (+35) 10 < 1599686509 916082 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.10.181.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1599686974 846034 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-12.soborka.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1599688188 902415 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next in GURPS game, we have to stop some kind of operation in a black tower; apparently with enough power, the tower will "activate". One of my ideas was to damage the tower itself to create structural weaknesses, but what do you think is the best way to try to do that? < 1599689251 128099 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what the tower is made from < 1599689312 811991 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I thought that too, and unfortunately I don't know, but I know that it is black. < 1599690005 272912 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599690975 44365 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599691035 525800 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599691060 46517 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599691843 686442 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599692412 215091 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599692574 85998 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1599692645 997416 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599695296 928090 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, "platform security" = "vendor lock-in"? Nobody could foresee that... https://www.servethehome.com/amd-psb-vendor-locks-epyc-cpus-for-enhanced-security-at-a-cost/ < 1599695638 94210 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1599696168 66232 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599696847 528353 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wait, so which side are you on? are you trying to activate the tower more easily, or avoid the owner of the tower activiating it against you? < 1599698276 801485 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-12.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599699174 796529 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Trying to prevent them from activating it, possibly by damaging it instead. < 1599699561 232366 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what is the effect of activating the tower, but I do not want to risk it.) < 1599699667 517531 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the lord of this tower seems to be able to react to things faster than is possible, almost like he can predict them before it happens; e.g. if someone shoots a crossbow at him from behind, he will move out of the way just in time. < 1599700189 204355 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. so divination magic or, worse, Time Stop. < 1599700207 399026 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some even more powerful time travel magic < 1599700213 461023 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound good < 1599700425 34506 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find out that it is time travel, you might want to try to tell the Lord that every time he travels time to save someone, he dooms someone in the alternate universe he time traveled away from, as in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBkBS4O3yvY or https://qntm.org/imperfect < 1599702774 671152 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not even sure that it is a spell (although it does seem to be a magic power, or maybe psychic; I doubt it is a scientific power). I would guess (although have not actually seen it yet, and just heard what has been reported), they could predict anything one second ahead of time, which is enough time to dodge any attack; explosions can only partally be dodged. < 1599702974 961646 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GURPS does have rules for traveling to alternate universes/timelines, both with technology and with spells and psychic powers. < 1599703037 261191 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ooh! in that case you need the swerving stunner, a spell whose projectile that can change direction in the air once, and is disguised as an ordinary stunning spell, specifically used against opponents with lightning fast reflexes who normally dodge all attacks, since they have to commit to the dodge like a football goalie. (it's a plot point in Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality) < 1599703269 51202 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, good point. (I don't know so much about football though, and neither of my characters, nor as far as I know anyone else in our party, has a Sports (Football) skill.) < 1599703789 850646 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did have some other ideas too, though, such as tricking them into dodging so the attack hits something behind them on purpose, tricking them into dodging into some kind of trap, etc. < 1599703811 946909 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I think of < 1599703815 23221 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name trap runner < 1599703817 535391 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trap Runner \ 2WW \ Creature -- Human Soldier \ 2/3 \ {T}: Target unblocked attacking creature becomes blocked. Activate this ability only during combat after blockers are declared. (This ability works on creatures that can't be blocked.) \ MM-U < 1599703869 293120 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said "next in GURPS game", does that confrontation has to happen in a few in-game days? because it might be hard to track down an obscure spell like that in that time. < 1599703938 33278 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it does have to happen in a few in-game days (or maybe even in less than 24 hours); it certainly has to happen before we go back to England (or anywhere else in Europe). < 1599703970 984026 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, there may be solutions not involving magic, and I may be able to use a magic scroll (each of which is usable only once). < 1599704435 536434 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :These scrolls include: the ability to transform into an elemental creature (quadruped) for a minimum of 1 hour and a maximum of 12 hours; a precognition that is usable only once; an illusionary sound for up to three minutes; the ability to speak to plants for five minutes; an insubstantial projection for up to 10 hours; and the ability to summon up to three small items (which either you could reasonably own, or is inexpensive and widely < 1599704435 536501 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599704979 734541 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you also speak with fungi? < 1599704991 799088 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, actually there are a few more: to mess up someone's magic powers for three minutes (the target must be touched); the ability to create nearly any item with a mass up to five pounds and lasting ten minutes; a wall lasting for ten seconds, created up to ten yards away; and two scrolls which themself can be used as melee weapons: one knocks back the target several yards if it hits; one causes significant damage with incendiary fragmenta < 1599705031 326165 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I do not think so; fungi are not plants, but a separate classification. < 1599705086 867566 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1599705102 50039 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fungus could destroy a wood tower very well, although not quickly, but if it were a magic fungus it might be quick < 1599705141 376180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6227805/ "We propose that fungi Basidiomycetes can be used as computing devices: --" < 1599705185 808306 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the ability to talk to fungi would be a good magical power, since they can cover a large area underground, and could probably tell you useful things like the presence/absence of certain chemicals or creatures < 1599705238 495034 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, GURPS doesn't have a "Speak With Fungi" power. But, I think you are right it can be a useful power to have. < 1599705267 666418 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that is neat < 1599705292 64949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The "Application domains" section is almost what you just said. :) < 1599705304 406171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ran into that paper when trying to look up the Fungal Computers Inc. "Computers that grow on you" slogan, which I've got permanently bouncing around inside my head.) < 1599705319 81190 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1599706980 592568 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-12.soborka.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1599707254 265375 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-12.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599707387 290345 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-12.soborka.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1599708208 921791 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599713976 310123 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599714110 718167 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1599714110 864473 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1599718369 906234 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1599718396 763063 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1599718500 553881 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea is to make them some sort of zugzwang or halbzugzwang, rather than by using magic powers. < 1599718626 295793 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or to do that using magic powers.) < 1599719146 146982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or use sorcery instead of magic, or perhaps witchcraft. < 1599719359 700035 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which craft? < 1599719696 782337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The craft with the power. < 1599720342 864720 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending what you mean by "sorcery" < 1599720531 697792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean you have to cast it during a main phase when there's nothing on the stack. < 1599720670 643103 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, in Magic: the Gathering (I thought of that too), but the game I was mentioning isn't Magic: the Gathering. < 1599720737 472085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But doesn't sorcery work the same way in the real world? < 1599720878 804616 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real world? I wasn't discussing the real world, though. < 1599721137 469624 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm interested, how does sorcery work in the real world? < 1599721190 703249 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599721266 637374 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia just says "Sorcery may refer to: Magic (supernatural) [...] Witchcraft [...] Maleficium (sorcery), a form of evil magic [...] Magic in fiction [...]" < 1599721358 90746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I must've meant maleficium. < 1599721381 831105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The truth is that I didn't really mean anything. I was just naming synonyms for magic. < 1599721477 189042 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm conjuring up synonyms < 1599721498 270802 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes the term "sorcery" may refer to a specific convention of using magic, in some systems, for example. < 1599722242 475386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example the convention where you cast it during your main phase when the stack is empty? < 1599722618 256545 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Magic: the Gathering, yes. < 1599723050 975477 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1599723144 199140 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:18ff:5fc0:aa5b:311c JOIN :#esoteric < 1599723144 344416 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:18ff:5fc0:aa5b:311c QUIT :Client Quit < 1599723336 557365 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599725405 874806 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599725453 909968 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599725506 23794 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599725543 852823 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1599727043 160210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DigitDigitJump14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77415 5* 03Zero 5* (+1235) 10Created page with "'''DigitDigitJump''' is a derivative of [[BitBitJump]]. The VM operates on a string which contains digits and space characters. Addresses are expressed in base 10, and space-..." < 1599727505 90407 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1599727592 281227 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning. > 1599727752 697995 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DigitDigitJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77416&oldid=77415 5* 03Zero 5* (+153) 10 < 1599727779 476115 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing a compiler in Haskell. Uncharacteristically, I'm willingly using monads in it. However, (a) the only monad I'm using (outside the parser) is Either, and (b) I'm avoiding do-notation as much as I can. > 1599727804 544408 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DigitDigitJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77417&oldid=77416 5* 03Zero 5* (+25) 10 < 1599727821 585036 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd. < 1599728841 60186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about (r ->)? I bet you're using that one. > 1599728905 41671 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DigitDigitJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77418&oldid=77417 5* 03Zero 5* (+163) 10 < 1599728924 75734 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I'm also using lists. I'm not using them as monads though. < 1599728939 6691 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.189.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1599729163 838847 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas with the Eithers I'm using >=> extensively. < 1599730271 902275 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :msolglu > 1599730443 212963 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DigitDigitJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77419&oldid=77418 5* 03Zero 5* (+155) 10 < 1599731805 195727 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599734396 814841 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :splay3 p1 p2 p3 f = p1 >>= (\a -> p2 >>= (\b -> p3 >>= (\c -> return $ f a b c))) -- see, isn't that so much nicer than do-notation? < 1599734432 514703 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when f is just a type constructor or something. It's all pointfree and stuff. < 1599734522 154829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl splay3 p1 p2 p3 f = p1 >>= (\a -> p2 >>= (\b -> p3 >>= (\c -> return $ f a b c))) < 1599734522 752679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :splay3 = (. ((. ((. (((return .) .) .)) . (.) . (.) . (>>=))) . (.) . (.) . (>>=))) . (.) . (.) . (>>=) < 1599734528 283679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that be much more elegant? < 1599734624 953115 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly yes < 1599734828 914191 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For some value of "elegant") < 1599735285 630912 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.189.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while ago, a friend suggested that in a mathematical conlang we had a few ideas about, an empty set should be pronounced [ø] < 1599735380 259420 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.189.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though there were too few ideas to make a proof of concept, unfortunately, but this one idea is eso I think) < 1599735470 203254 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.189.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one downside as otherwise ø might have been used in much more contexts and this designation constrained it much < 1599736671 501100 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most mathematical formulae would end up being rather awkward to pronounce no matter what phonology you assign to the symbols < 1599738105 61794 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"minus bee, plus or minus square root of, bee squared minus four ay see, all over two ay" < 1599738290 473162 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl qf a b c = (-1 * b + sqrt(b * b - 4 * a * c)) / (2 * a) < 1599738291 319411 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :qf = ap (flip . ((flip . (((/) . negate) .)) .) . liftM2 (.) (+) . ((sqrt .) .) . flip ((.) . (-) . join (*)) . (*) . (4 *)) (2 *) < 1599738515 217725 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1599738610 620540 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi rain1 < 1599738639 263611 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can explain the answer to my question < 1599738669 135697 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was interested in "Tot" being harder than "Halt". Definitions: Halt is the ability to tell if a turing machine halts. Tot is the ability to tell if a turing machine halts on all inputs. < 1599738706 817870 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using Halting oracles you can construct an infinite sequence of classes of hardness. TMs, TMs + Halt oracle, TMs + Halt1 oracle (they can tell if the level below halts), ... < 1599738730 861272 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halt lives on the second level, Tot lives on the 3rd < 1599738754 870713 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1599738779 886925 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599738828 19372 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing we need to use to prove this is the arithmetic hierarchy < 1599738848 233188 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't fully get this stuff yet < 1599738855 578933 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Sigma_2 and Pi_2 are two parts of the 3rd level < 1599738898 713976 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they corresponds to sets defined by computable relations phi, like this: x is in the set iff Pi_2 is forall y, exists z, phi(x,y,z) < 1599738916 5407 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Sigma_2 is sets x is in the set iff Sigma_2 is exists y, forall z, phi(x,y,z) < 1599738958 415051 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we can show that O'' is Sigma_2 complete, O''-complement is Pi_2 complete < 1599738982 960809 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Tot is Pi_2 complete < 1599738993 491375 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proofs of these are quite neat but i wont get into the details < 1599739002 293380 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O'' is something to do with level 3? < 1599739021 870923 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there are some aspects of this I need to clarify but roughly speaking that is how its done < 1599739055 298500 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how Sigma/Pi relate to decidable/semideciable/co-semidecidable sets < 1599739130 352841 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 2 interesting facts I picked up on this journey: there are partial computable functions that cannot be extended to total computable ones. There's degrees of undecidability between level0 (TMs) and TMs+Halt < 1599739137 211763 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are called "low degrees" < 1599739352 532609 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: Lunch > 1599739747 246787 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DigitDigitJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77420&oldid=77419 5* 03Zero 5* (+257) 10 > 1599741625 252970 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:LYaPAS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77421&oldid=77197 5* 03Amakukha 5* (+280) 10/* What version of LYaPAS are these symbols from? */ new section < 1599742182 119685 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599742856 13495 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1599743038 772590 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: That there are partial computable functions that cannot be extended to total computable functions seems intuitive to me at least (the "missing parts" are not computable so how would one possibly "fix" them computably) < 1599743324 68340 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1599743331 476800 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-37.host.pobb.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599743444 634057 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-37.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The low degrees, I've heard of, but I don't remember anything about them < 1599743849 995712 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-37.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vague recollection that the halting problem itself is low. Briefly looking at "Low basis theorem" on Wikipedia suggests that is the case. < 1599744036 641272 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-37.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that there are "PA degrees" below the HP but it's unclear to me what they signify exactly. < 1599744905 541599 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting stuffo n wiki > 1599745060 453093 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DigitDigitJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77422&oldid=77420 5* 03Zero 5* (-85) 10 > 1599745147 800307 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DigitDigitJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77423&oldid=77422 5* 03Zero 5* (+57) 10 < 1599745351 471690 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes, any turing-complete function should be like that < 1599748785 824541 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599748810 81459 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: what is O'' ? < 1599748837 920674 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599748841 765880 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will need to go over definitions a bit more < 1599748856 317086 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think it's the set of sets which are turing equivalent to the 2nd halting problem < 1599748909 596328 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kritixilithos: Ő < 1599748959 950921 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proof isn't yours? where is it from then? < 1599748965 540360 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in a replacement for "Ő" when you can't type it for technical reasons back in the 2000s < 1599749039 96272 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: i can't tell if you are being facetious or not < 1599749160 795476 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lI am facetious < 1599751173 476891 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://risingentropy.com/the-arithmetic-hierarchy-and-computability/ < 1599751364 975940 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Busy Beaver numbers are an example of a Δ2 set. < 1599751470 447248 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, the Busy Beaver numbers are even better than Δ2; they’re Π1, co-recursively enumerable < 1599751939 565208 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1599752250 905927 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DigitDigitJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77424&oldid=77423 5* 03Zero 5* (+6) 10 < 1599752432 652958 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599752650 263864 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a complete inventory of some items is available" hehe > 1599752887 90965 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DigitDigitJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77425&oldid=77424 5* 03Zero 5* (+28) 10 < 1599753615 716158 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-37.host.pobb.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1599754149 76198 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a cool blog, nice find > 1599754447 200061 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Lenta14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77426 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+410) 10/* Brainf**k Translation */ new section > 1599755994 281197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0705AB1E14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77427&oldid=77350 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-5) 10Wait, how? < 1599757188 799872 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599757359 68036 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1599757359 553012 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1599758319 990383 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0705AB1E14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77428&oldid=77427 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-5) 10There is an infinite stack of inputs! < 1599759798 244105 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1599763586 324860 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1599765753 544412 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ftoc 390 < 1599765755 113315 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :390.00°F = 198.89°C < 1599767228 58735 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-12.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599767348 107818 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.201.93 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599767439 10860 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.4.189.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1599767755 123911 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-12.soborka.net PART :#esoteric < 1599767782 558056 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1599767859 897524 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599768034 87999 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.201.93 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1599770020 268946 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Off for the night > 1599771398 733907 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pi Calculus14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77429 5* 03Woofmao 5* (+5384) 10Created page > 1599772124 122551 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pi Calculus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77430&oldid=77429 5* 03Woofmao 5* (-3) 10typo < 1599773550 183261 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599774611 152107 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1599774741 207180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Lenta14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77431&oldid=77426 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (-11) 10 < 1599775564 89707 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599775752 878258 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name mana cylix < 1599775753 918154 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mana Cylix \ 1 \ Artifact \ {1}, {T}: Add one mana of any color. \ PS-U, CON-C < 1599776833 883977 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1599777891 25826 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599777891 172407 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1599779050 649515 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1599779065 27163 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Teferi < 1599779065 911655 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teferi's Care \ 2W \ Enchantment \ {W}, Sacrifice an enchantment: Destroy target enchantment. \ {3}{U}{U}: Counter target enchantment spell. \ IN-U \ \ Teferi's Curse \ 1U \ Enchantment -- Aura \ Enchant artifact or creature \ Enchanted permanent has phasing. (It phases in or out before its controller untaps during each of their untap steps. While it's phased out, it's treated as though it doesn't exist.) \ MI-C \ \ Teferi's Drake \ 2U \ Cre < 1599779102 729400 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Shock < 1599779106 469033 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shock \ R \ Instant \ Shock deals 2 damage to any target. \ ST-C, 6E-C, S00-C, 7E-C, ONS-C, 8ED-C, 9ED-C, 10E-C, M12-C, M14-C, AER-C, DDN-C \ \ Shock Troops \ 3R \ Creature -- Human Soldier \ 2/2 \ Sacrifice Shock Troops: It deals 2 damage to any target. \ MM-C, 8ED-C \ \ Shocker \ 1R \ Creature -- Insect \ 1/1 \ Whenever Shocker deals damage to a player, that player discards all the cards in their hand, then draws that many cards. \ TE-R \ < 1599779128 801367 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Bolt < 1599779129 822101 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bolt of Keranos \ 1RR \ Sorcery \ Bolt of Keranos deals 3 damage to any target. Scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom of your library.) \ BNG-C \ \ Boltwing Marauder \ 3BR \ Creature -- Dragon \ 5/4 \ Flying \ Whenever another creature enters the battlefield under your control, target creature gets +2/+0 until end of turn. \ DTK-R < 1599779141 688927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Blightning < 1599779142 654808 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blightning \ 1BR \ Sorcery \ Blightning deals 3 damage to target player or planeswalker. That player or that planeswalker's controller discards two cards. \ ALA-C, A25-U, DDK-C < 1599779148 986219 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`card-by-name Lightning Bolt < 1599779149 833065 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lightning Bolt \ R \ Instant \ Lightning Bolt deals 3 damage to any target. \ A-C, B-C, U-C, RV-C, 4E-C, M10-C, M11-C, MM2-U, E01-U, A25-U, MED-C, PD2-C < 1599779249 612785 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading up on cmake. Unhappy. Did towers of Hanoi instead. https://github.com/egel-lang/egel/blob/master/examples/hanoi.eg < 1599779260 973037 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get it right, somehow. < 1599779314 215211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is cmake good? Every time I need to use it it seems pretty unpleasant. < 1599779340 164305 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue. I know I want weird things from it so, no idea. < 1599779366 163114 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But people don't seem to like my makefile solution, and I was hoping for something portable. < 1599779658 142640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How portable? < 1599779709 439098 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-175.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: now you have two problems < 1599779712 120958 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linuxes and maybe MacOs. < 1599779779 87271 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeBSD too, I guess. < 1599779788 153857 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or uh BSDs. < 1599779925 98293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Windows? < 1599779952 546783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems relatively easy because all those systems are nearly the same. < 1599779959 661323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use a shell script. < 1599779965 141586 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. Not yet, anyway. If I magically somehow attract some users maybe. < 1599779981 355304 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use make and two shell scripts at the moment. < 1599781428 78746 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599781914 634949 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I do is including the shell scripts for compiling at the top of each C code file. < 1599782324 605334 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the one way to go! < 1599782836 26771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how do you run the code? < 1599782854 116264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including shell scripts at the top seems very Unix-centric. < 1599782859 736938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my programs to be cross-platform. < 1599782914 112619 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could still compile it without running the shell script at top too I suppose, just using whatever compiler it is; or you can use WSL < 1599783089 11931 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599783110 522460 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1599783194 134926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you write a shell script at the top? < 1599783202 33377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can start a C program with #if 0 < 1599783208 973062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't have a #! line. < 1599783232 711365 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although you can still run it by writing "bash main.c" or whatever < 1599786331 538084 :tux_!~tux@cpe-72-224-244-240.maine.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1599786356 422971 :tux_!~tux@cpe-72-224-244-240.maine.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot < 1599786404 167392 :tux_!~tux@cpe-72-224-244-240.maine.res.rr.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1599790647 612907 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599792879 141717 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1599793761 378037 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599795204 922202 :xelxebar_!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1599795223 924328 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599795819 149433 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a implementation of Unnecessary in PostScript: ARGUMENTS 0{get(r)file}stopped{[}if] Like the one I wrote in JavaScript, the error message is strange. > 1599795943 953377 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Unnecessary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77432&oldid=57536 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+363) 10Implementation in PostScript (which is also a bit strange) < 1599795962 218858 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully, both of these implementations, you could see how it is working. < 1599796086 584364 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? > 1599796854 762994 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Unnecessary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77433&oldid=77432 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+59) 10 < 1599796945 951105 :xelxebar_!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599796967 855065 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1599797547 710870 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a short way to write googol with roman numbers? < 1599798347 657191 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599798349 446831 :trn!jhj@prone.ws QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1599798527 587233 :Lymia!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1599799127 963456 :trn!jhj@prone.ws JOIN :#esoteric < 1599799162 393412 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An X with 33 bars over it might work < 1599799488 377169 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other option is something like CCC...CCC|ↃↃↃ...ↃↃↃ (see also Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals#Large_numbers) < 1599799505 740197 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where there are 98 Cs and backwards Cs < 1599799740 149930 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many bars was the largest number of bars the Romans used? < 1599799909 147946 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any historical cases where more than one was used < 1599800092 366991 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in modern use, most things with roman numbers are not going to use any bars, nor any fractions, although I have occasionally used fractions < 1599800393 905741 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That pipe should be an I by the way) < 1599800501 22274 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599800584 73380 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1599800584 336744 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1599801083 677451 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599801682 55827 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1599803297 187838 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the rules for Cryptography skill in GURPS isn't very good. And for other reasons, there are also problems with Fortune-Telling skill. And actually, also Brawling skill; you might be better or worse at bites, horns, claws, etc, but the skill level for them is not distinguished (although the attacks themself are distinguished). > 1599804154 313782 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DigitDigitJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77434&oldid=77425 5* 03Zero 5* (-24) 10 < 1599805916 747406 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah, there's a World Standards Day? < 1599805965 92213 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is on October 14th every year. Boring so far... but the reason I'm reading about this now is this: 'The U.S. Celebration of World Standards Day (WSD), an event intended to raise awareness of the importance of global standardization to the world economy and to promote its role in helping meet the needs of business, industry, government, and consumers worldwide, will be held on Thursday,... < 1599805971 179710 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...October 22.' < 1599806439 743610 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, where is this? < 1599806478 878558 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.ansi.org/news_publications/news_story?menuid=7&articleid=fa8379c4-3024-4970-b782-9446aadaf805 < 1599806516 898228 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( ANSI adaptation of international standards always takes a while. ) < 1599807705 784068 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia they've been doing this since 2014 < 1599807887 639536 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.ansi.org/meetings_events/WSWEEK/WSW2020/World-Standards-Day <-- by the way, this year's was cancelled < 1599808270 279952 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :October 28th! < 1599808286 773103 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I somehow find this funny. < 1599808327 558951 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The datas. The cancellation is just good practice right now.) < 1599808358 696626 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though many events go virtual instead. < 1599809039 644749 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599811022 916207 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599811072 832397 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599811819 957566 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599811943 885620 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599812219 931664 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-126.host.pobb.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599813635 584348 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599814214 540792 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599817298 764951 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1599819066 308787 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uqfdrhmdjrcekkxs QUIT :*.net *.split < 1599819066 856162 :ornxka!~ornxka@unaffiliated/ornx QUIT :*.net *.split < 1599819066 959617 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling QUIT :*.net *.split < 1599819067 62579 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1599819079 454328 :laerling!~laerling@static.235.77.203.116.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1599819419 634274 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session JOIN :#esoteric < 1599819419 634359 :ornxka!~ornxka@unaffiliated/ornx JOIN :#esoteric < 1599819419 634373 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599819422 4786 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session QUIT :Changing host < 1599819422 4839 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jqgsrnowfujwlgxj JOIN :#esoteric < 1599819435 41354 :ornxka!~ornxka@unaffiliated/ornx QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1599819452 49860 :ornxka!~ornxka@unaffiliated/ornx JOIN :#esoteric < 1599820617 423938 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-126.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PA degrees are interesting. The WP article doesn't do a good job defining what a "completion of PA" is, but I take it that a completion of PA is not (necessarily) Turing-complete. Which raises the interesting question of what computability class (or classes) they do represent. < 1599820663 815574 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-126.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: ^ < 1599820826 939750 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok! < 1599820831 397087 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PA?? < 1599820838 111485 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-126.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A completion of Peano arithmetic is a set of formulas in the language of Peano arithmetic, such that the set is consistent in first-order logic and such that, for each formula, either that formula or its negation is included in the set." < 1599820839 195753 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :peano arithmetic? < 1599820841 286568 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1599820854 532879 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1599820864 46857 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-126.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sentence sounds like a tautology to me -- they must mean something by "for each formula" that I don't get < 1599820884 84242 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose we have to assign a truth value to everything < 1599820890 921160 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to leaving undecidable sentences < 1599821202 995027 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we can actually write a real computer program that lists out the truth values of PA sentences in an order such that everything is mentioned eventually? < 1599821639 656695 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-126.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What truth value would you expect it to eventually print out for the PA sentence that says "This sentence is false"? < 1599821707 676412 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure < 1599821715 643070 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it impossible to assign it a truth value? < 1599821789 623184 :bizzz!5aa1fa92@90.161.250.146 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599821842 811648 :bizzz!5aa1fa92@90.161.250.146 PART :#esoteric < 1599822523 559867 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-126.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1599822618 395038 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-126.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PA degree article does seem to say that the PA degrees are uncomputable, and it doesn't actually refer to any proof that there is a PA degree strictly lower than the HP - it only says "There are also PA degrees that are not above 0‘". < 1599822641 901505 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-126.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe 0' is the lowest PA degree, it doesn't seem to rule that out. < 1599822754 40063 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-126.host.pobb.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A set that is uncomputable but "not as uncomputable as the halting problem" is very, very hard to imagine. < 1599822774 506454 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-249-126.host.pobb.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Lunch < 1599822816 177679 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1599822856 289577 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with rices theorem?? < 1599822860 164375 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't rices theorem rule that out > 1599823972 949160 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03HerzogDietrich 5* 10New user account < 1599824728 727181 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” > 1599826091 608567 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DigitDigitJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77435&oldid=77434 5* 03Zero 5* (-30) 10 > 1599826819 174209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SpaghettiScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77436&oldid=73071 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+134) 10Outputs letter > 1599827301 161366 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SpaghettiScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77437&oldid=77436 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+11) 10 > 1599827564 527391 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SpaghettiScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77438&oldid=77437 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+46) 10Get FizzBuzz to work > 1599828033 349183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DigitDigitJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77439&oldid=77435 5* 03Zero 5* (+129) 10Undo revision 77435 by [[Special:Contributions/Zero|Zero]] ([[User talk:Zero|talk]]) > 1599828357 451789 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SpaghettiScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77440&oldid=77438 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+768) 10Say Fizz instead of F and the same with buzz > 1599828403 508088 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DigitDigitJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77441&oldid=77439 5* 03Zero 5* (+91) 10 < 1599828623 173426 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1599828641 856594 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1599828705 824299 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DigitDigitJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77442&oldid=77441 5* 03Zero 5* (+229) 10 < 1599832614 416647 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:ed67:c2ab:d0b5:2413 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599832788 59191 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:8d3f:64d1:78b3:7501 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1599833140 574726 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1599835844 759760 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DigitDigitJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77443&oldid=77442 5* 03Zero 5* (-30) 10 < 1599836017 798158 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599836108 841241 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :bwah what a cliff-hanger (https://risingentropy.com/the-arithmetic-hierarchy-and-computability/) < 1599838352 153502 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599839873 698886 :izabera!izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1599839970 371620 :izabera!izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric > 1599841497 141330 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Snake Script14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77444 5* 03BlueOkiris 5* (+4065) 10Created page with "= Snake Script = Snake Script is a language created by Dylan Turner aka ~~~~ == Description == The goal was to make a language that fits nicely in a traditional terminal. I..." > 1599841549 835070 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77445&oldid=77377 5* 03BlueOkiris 5* (+19) 10/* S */ < 1599841956 399739 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://cs.stackexchange.com/questions/130030/incomputable-sets-of-low-degree-vs-rices-theorem/130035#130035 < 1599841960 760009 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked about low degree < 1599843697 101381 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599843822 971430 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1599843823 116583 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1599846561 765970 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1599847017 917938 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1599848609 243099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1214 < 1599848610 864805 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1214.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1599848638 443682 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting about `olist even when I'm on IRC and see the update before it's been done > 1599849071 943173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Lenta14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77446&oldid=77431 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (-1) 10 < 1599854824 922896 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started to implement a "safe interactive mode" in TeXnicard, for use when you are making it available as a remote service (such as with SSH), and are not using other mechanisms to improve security (e.g. separate user accounts, sandboxing, etc). > 1599856662 402337 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0705AB1E14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77447&oldid=77428 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+81) 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:aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-12.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1599884604 394356 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0705AB1E14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77450&oldid=77448 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-3) 10Strings are neccessarily lists, but not vice versa/ > 1599885959 57378 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Unnecessary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77451&oldid=77433 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+372) 10 > 1599886543 847796 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Zero14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77452&oldid=65082 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+427) 10 < 1599886959 522469 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599886973 79352 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1599887034 780359 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0705AB1E14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77453&oldid=77450 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (-128) 10Not really. < 1599887041 285383 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1599889677 747428 :hakatashi2!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599889698 28258 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599889941 44480 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599891611 919875 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot < 1599895494 656132 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vcucyjmihjtxbsaj QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1599895503 860126 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ipgmmtjaozdoagko JOIN :#esoteric < 1599895886 158906 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-wnisbouqabnjpfts QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599896343 887679 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-utpbmjedngohaads JOIN :#esoteric > 1599897427 695307 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Modulous14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77454&oldid=77395 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (+16) 10 < 1599898296 82433 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PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77459&oldid=76704 5* 03EverythingEli 5* (-60395) 10bye bye > 1599905417 275002 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77460&oldid=77459 5* 03EverythingEli 5* (+188) 10AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA > 1599905459 302504 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77461&oldid=77460 5* 03EverythingEli 5* (-188) 10Undo revision 77460 by [[Special:Contributions/EverythingEli|EverythingEli]] ([[User talk:EverythingEli|talk]]) > 1599905592 87072 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77462&oldid=77461 5* 03EverythingEli 5* (+131) 10 < 1599906375 107170 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599906544 463764 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599908099 347126 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599908738 961874 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599911524 960905 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-12.soborka.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1599912960 358801 :delme1!~user@cpe-74-133-1-181.kya.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1599915138 997030 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1599915432 60746 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1599915509 951408 :delme1!~user@cpe-74-133-1-181.kya.res.rr.com PART :#esoteric < 1599916906 928512 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1599916924 881602 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599917265 624023 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. I think I managed to move succesfully from makefiles to cmake. < 1599917272 766018 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah well. < 1599918321 30168 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from bad to worse < 1599918362 31299 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's not scons. < 1599918432 994180 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also happen to like gmake. < 1599918472 898699 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/rain-1/makes i made a thing once < 1599918487 482816 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I also don't care much for portability. < 1599918709 616511 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fwimylcdjiagfxof QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1599918741 79422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wonder if the tup build system is still going. Had a phase where I used it, few years back. < 1599918747 713045 :mich181189!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ouogbcistgobberq QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1599918747 713098 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-seolphzujbdrnvbb QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1599918754 40892 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-isfyxpvkhlmfjqnf JOIN :#esoteric < 1599918758 83449 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nllxnyczsduexecm JOIN :#esoteric < 1599918784 531239 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tup is cool < 1599918810 10578 :mich181189!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xetitbmdlcienciy JOIN :#esoteric < 1599921046 574130 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what's the speed of light in meters per second these days? < 1599921046 821398 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the new fnord the fourth of which is the use to which the documents, that that future relationship, that is, to the report, the government have made. < 1599921099 788672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You mean the government has (re)defined the speed of light? < 1599921100 29700 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my hon. and learned friend the minister for the way the hon. and learned friend the minister for that. i will be more about understanding the need, the recognised age of adulthood, the continuity of the law, < 1599921152 865692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone's switched my hon. and learned friend fungot to the ukparl corpus again. < 1599921153 198209 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we have to be very good and useful next step, in the safe hands, the best tools. the northern fnord. and there is the prospect of the fnord alliance, the british property federation, not councils, more rights, better pay, and have a new relationship, the new system, the accompanying the bill, > 1599922067 595784 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Zero14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77463&oldid=77452 5* 03Zero 5* (+32) 10 < 1599922235 258380 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe the government redefined it from 186e3 miles per second to 300e6 meters per second < 1599923088 796756 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on my logs, that was shachaf about three days ago > 1599924096 820603 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald/sandbox14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77464 5* 03Emerald 5* (+92) 10Created page with "This will be where i brainstorm esolangs, feel free to add criticism in the discussion page." > 1599924175 245005 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77465&oldid=75516 5* 03Emerald 5* (+26) 10/* Other Pages of mine */ < 1599924539 886569 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599925020 460256 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. cmake puts .so file where ld cannot find it. < 1599926166 702514 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599926263 481963 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :egelbot: [ X -> format "{}" X ] "cmake.." #took a week, I guess < 1599926263 602754 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cmake.." < 1599928401 377498 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599929349 899863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was me? < 1599929781 134526 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1599930101 369451 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if a conlang has seximal as its number system, then if there’s a sacred language associated with it, it can intentionally use septimal < 1599930288 683438 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599930305 310683 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599930370 870633 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1599931183 782700 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599934448 514361 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1599935048 1371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. Kind of regretting the choice of living the life of OpenWRT master branch on my (Linksys WRT32X) router. < 1599935057 297595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hardware's such that it's got internally a 7-port Ethernet switch; ports 0-4 are the 4 LAN + 1 WAN port (only difference in labeling), and ports 5-6 are wired to the SoC using its two gigabit Ethernet interfaces. < 1599935068 637028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenWRT used to have a setup where the switch is controlled as a separate device (with swconfig), using VLANs to have ports 0-3+5 in one network (LAN) and 4+6 in another (WAN), but I tweaked it further to extract port 3 to a separate VLAN (and turned on tagging on port 5 to differentiate). < 1599935085 264524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now they've gone ahead and migrated the setup to the new Linux DSA ("distributed switch architecture") thing, which abstracts away all the switch configuration, and makes all the switch ports just appear directly as network interfaces to the kernel. < 1599935108 201774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lot simpler for sure, but the way I've got it set up, I bake the configuration directly into the firmware image, instead of just letting OpenWRT to do its default config and then customizing that on the Flash overlay filesystem. I feel like I have approximately 3% chance of getting it sufficiently right the first time that I can actually still SSH in to the silly thing. And of course it doesn't < 1599935114 150696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :have an exposed serial port. (Though it's actually got one that's *reasonably* easy to hook into, but that'd still involve fiddling the case open.) < 1599936750 315407 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep < 1599936751 531246 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck! < 1599936969 783010 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599937281 479525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599937287 792226 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1599939158 166483 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just lost the game < 1599941103 513705 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I broke everything. > 1599941122 853455 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald/sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77466&oldid=77464 5* 03Emerald 5* (+1841) 10 < 1599942650 349877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Still up? < 1599942681 50716 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: was the hon. member of this house, is the constituency. they have been a huge public support, and given the governments comments. all children should have an opportunity, < 1599942690 167727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...huh, that was slow. < 1599942795 586603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case. Just to provide some closure, the upgrade *almost* worked, except something in the OpenWRT build resulted in the nft_chain_nat.ko module not getting bundled into the OpenWRT packages. Managed to find it in the build directory, copy it over, and insmod it manually. But I need to figure out how to fix that permanently. > 1599943279 660485 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:SunnyMoon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77467&oldid=77347 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+34) 10From now on I will display the current language I am interested in! < 1599944360 649038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL: OpenStreetMap has a `royal_cypher` key for the initials/symbol that's stamped on UK post boxes and shows under which monarch's reign the box was set up. < 1599944363 573117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:royal%20cypher?uselang=en-GB < 1599944750 228785 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everything is on fire. < 1599950200 47210 :iscordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-nvshegazwcilpltb NICK :Discordian[m] < 1599950758 907827 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1599958815 523849 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599958876 749462 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599958902 551150 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599965366 15719 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599969913 649201 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1599973475 727268 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599973567 689527 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599973567 836577 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1599976954 494395 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1599977398 121976 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@172.243.83.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1599978264 871416 :Frater_EST!~adrianbib@172.243.83.76 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599979687 381184 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-yvvotcryrajnshvw QUIT :*.net *.split < 1599979687 824621 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1599979724 46493 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :*.net *.split < 1599979724 149463 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :*.net *.split < 1599981228 781789 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1599981907 67444 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-yvvotcryrajnshvw JOIN :#esoteric < 1599981907 67501 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1599982149 843247 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1599982213 640839 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599982339 515020 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1599982361 615209 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1599984597 350423 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1599984743 854102 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599986565 808746 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1599987414 866205 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599991718 557666 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1599993143 845065 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1599993690 532908 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77468&oldid=77445 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+11) 10Where were you, 1L_a? < 1599993695 455477 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi > 1599994171 332795 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071L a14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77469&oldid=36071 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+40) 10Headings make it easier. > 1599994235 277803 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071L a14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77470&oldid=77469 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-75) 101L_a has no control flow. > 1599994295 587806 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071L a14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77471&oldid=77470 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-28) 10If I am wrong, please revert my edits. > 1599994443 376773 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:1L a14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77472 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+172) 10Citation needed < 1599995416 237604 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1599996111 542099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar koak < 1599996112 386008 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KOAK 131053Z 35005KT 1 1/2SM BR FU BKN006 15/13 A2991 RMK AO2 SLP127 T01500128 $ < 1599996116 71097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSEA < 1599996116 673886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSEA 131053Z 12003KT 3/4SM FU BR OVC031 12/11 A2996 RMK AO2 SLPNO FU OVC031 T01170106 < 1599996124 396211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FU everywhere < 1599997143 896206 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1599999589 748601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1599999590 109861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 131150Z AUTO 25012KT 9999 NCD 23/12 Q1024 NOSIG < 1600000981 736973 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`datei < 1600000983 683034 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :2020-09-13 12:43:02.650 +0000 UTC September 13 Sunday 2020-W37-7 < 1600000986 716162 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1600000992 622144 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` date +%s < 1600000993 705743 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1600000993 < 1600001733 332620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, missed that. Oh well, it's the powers of 2 that are the real moments to celebrate. < 1600001736 892660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` printf "%x" $(date +%s) < 1600001737 905650 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :5f5e16c9 < 1600001814 930149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date --date=@$(python -c 'print(0x60000000)') < 1600001816 109046 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thu Jan 14 08:25:36 UTC 2021 < 1600001822 203976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to look forward to. < 1600001845 275971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date --date=@$(python -c 'print(0x50000000)') < 1600001846 330015 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fri Jul 13 11:01:20 UTC 2012 < 1600001870 334455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/powers of 2/multiples of large &/ < 1600002216 178043 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3*2^29 - 1600000000)/86400 < 1600002218 296146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 122.83259259259259 < 1600002259 688982 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1600002537 703809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` s=$(date +%s); for p in $(seq 10 40); do date --date=@$(((s&~(1< 1600002628 109511 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ix14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77473&oldid=77231 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+44) 10/* The language */ < 1600002692 691325 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well you can find occasions to celebrate any time > 1600002739 646513 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ix14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77474&oldid=77473 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+93) 10/* Case-sensitivity */ < 1600002742 744222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, precedence. 1< 1600003973 477983 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77475&oldid=77331 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+180) 10/* Ideas related to esoteric operating systems, esoteric processors and esoteric computers */ > 1600004125 961123 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071L a14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77476&oldid=77471 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+75) 10Undo revision 77470 by [[Special:Contributions/SunnyMoon|SunnyMoon]] ([[User talk:SunnyMoon|talk]]) How? 1L_a do have control flow. Did you even read the specs? > 1600004369 274903 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071L a14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77477&oldid=77476 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-75) 10IF statements. They are essential for turing machines. < 1600006118 990712 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1600006136 969784 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1600006317 297575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071L a14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77478&oldid=77477 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+122) 10Commenting 101 < 1600007017 229826 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Excess Flood < 1600007040 597825 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1600009403 824974 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600010079 868217 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1600010507 879442 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1600011763 729364 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Filth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77479&oldid=77330 5* 03Bananaapple 5* (+855) 10Updated the language definition to remove some ambiguity. "Executing a popped \X will result in strangeness." is not true, since its behaviour can be both defined and implemented rather easily, and it was never a part of the original definition. I changed the definition of label > 1600011821 484688 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Filth14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77480&oldid=77479 5* 03Bananaapple 5* (+5) 10formatting > 1600011898 394689 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Filth14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77481&oldid=77480 5* 03Bananaapple 5* (+79) 10typo and one more ambiguity down < 1600011957 52327 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600013643 902469 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600014071 867921 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1600014343 517841 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1600015573 378658 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1600016143 786713 :kritixil1!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1600016260 544453 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600016665 118331 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600016771 583737 :ski!~ski@remote11.chalmers.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1600016795 696242 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600016795 696287 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1600017251 847027 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1600018146 629978 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600018294 215379 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600019741 981805 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600020391 452253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Filth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77482&oldid=77481 5* 03Bananaapple 5* (-4) 10the XX is not a valid operation to do on the command stack. Why was 'x' there in the first place then? < 1600021427 474700 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date +%s < 1600021428 358029 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1600021427 < 1600021435 96099 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missed the event. < 1600021450 386693 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an event? < 1600021458 872848 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the sort of event where you remain indoors? < 1600021486 529079 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: unix epoch time 1_600_000_000 < 1600021494 470668 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1600021733 417702 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird that i've been alive for almost 2/3 of the unix epoch < 1600021740 109043 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems impossible somehow < 1600022478 355885 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are closer to Ceasar than Ceasar to the construction of the pyramids. Weird too. < 1600022744 728035 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: don't feel bad, we have the 17 event in a couple years. < 1600023737 824388 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: yeah < 1600025947 896653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x60000000 is next January. < 1600026007 80991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And after that, there's just one high nybble flip left before the Big One.) < 1600026441 544748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our channel turned 2^29 seconds old late last year, and I think nobody celebrated that either. < 1600026446 834111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date --date=@$(( $(date --date='2002-12-09T06:00:00Z' +%s) + 2**29 )) < 1600026447 841861 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sat Dec 14 00:48:32 UTC 2019 < 1600026520 991512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`` date --date=@$(( $(date --date='2002-12-09T06:00:00Z' +%s) + 2**30 )) < 1600026522 37071 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wed Dec 17 19:37:04 UTC 2036 < 1600026579 574299 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1600026666 874064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^29 seconds is surprisingly close to being exactly 17 years. < 1600026670 602631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2**29 / (86400*365.2425) < 1600026673 518030 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 17.012761942281372 < 1600026689 308377 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dates huh < 1600026825 719062 :kritixil1!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1600026836 773505 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :10! secons are exactly 6 weeks < 1600026901 491828 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1600026985 933406 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600027126 39605 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600027190 38070 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1600027203 410340 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone here help me on anything < 1600027212 53183 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1600027217 949338 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1600027279 664687 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone can help < 1600027289 973374 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? something < 1600027291 497593 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. < 1600027301 654719 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth < 1600027303 102440 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth ([ʰtʰh̩]) is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. < 1600027319 653259 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1600027337 385317 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emerald: it helps if you ask actual questions < 1600027373 16571 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my phone it won’t let me go to the editing preferences < 1600027394 610054 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i would ask about that in an android or ios channel respectively < 1600027404 180329 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is that? < 1600027410 399188 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not google < 1600027423 487596 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1600027529 942452 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bruh < 1600027564 536149 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse to help people that don't do the bare minimum effort < 1600027589 472231 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I tried fixing the problem < 1600027595 338791 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried a link < 1600027595 741772 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you think your phone possessed, you have the wrong kind of esoteric channel. < 1600027609 288620 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does he? < 1600027617 2365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would these be the wiki's "editing" preferences page? < 1600027643 143969 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can go to preference main page just fine < 1600027658 907511 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my phone ain’t letting me go to other preferences < 1600027679 244547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Works for me on Android Chrome is all I can say about that. Though not well.) < 1600027717 471212 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, IOS isn’t android.... < 1600027766 284695 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I’m fricked < 1600027806 204803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : MediaWiki isn't particularly mobile-friendly out of the box. But odd if it doesn't work at all. < 1600027823 642125 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will work on my iPad < 1600027837 57705 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your mindreading skills are impressive < 1600027846 210329 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my main editing device is my phone < 1600027855 829381 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now < 1600027877 140268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No "request desktop site" or equivalent in Safari? That might work (or not). < 1600027912 549647 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ve tried that < 1600027923 879094 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive tried using the link for the page < 1600028058 868762 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anymore suggestions? < 1600028140 57582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try some of the other skins (which you can override on a page basis by adding ?useskin=modern and such), though I imagine they don't really have functional differences. < 1600028158 240544 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ima try < 1600028226 901145 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1600028279 449180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or add ?printable=yes, which gives a really plain view... but it still has script-driven tabs, which is probably the problem. Don't really have any likely suggestions at this point. < 1600028336 755275 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I guess I will give up since that didn’t work < 1600028490 222378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : Eventually we'll upgrade the MediaWiki version again, which might help. Or not. < 1600028510 134117 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1600028646 823635 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emerald: fwiw, if you'd mentioned the wiki, you'd probably have gotten a less snarky reception < 1600030355 551392 :Emerald!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600036061 74882 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1600040084 175074 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any TV set have a variant pillarbox mode to extend the picture on both sides by display stuff that would ordinarily be cut off (such as hblank)? < 1600041086 39240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Edward Nelson's Internal Set Theory? < 1600041128 14554 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600042505 144769 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600052400 590364 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 QUIT :Quit: I seem to have stopped. < 1600056719 579379 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1600057134 882956 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: capture cards probaby have that, but as we no longer even have analog TV broadcast here anymore, you could only do that for video games < 1600059302 10991 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can find an analog TV transmission on the amateur bands :) < 1600059310 252684 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :or transmit one yourself if you want < 1600059486 207007 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?metar CYVR < 1600059487 109266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYVR 140400Z 30002KT 1 1/2SM FU SCT018 VV042 13/12 A2990 RMK ST4FU4 SLP127 < 1600059595 307560 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can receive amateur TV on the 70cm band on a regular analog TV / capture card by putting it into "cable TV" mode < 1600059612 529182 :roseinhat!~PhpIrcCli@46.61.178.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600059612 646847 :roseinhat!~PhpIrcCli@46.61.178.237 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1600059696 307067 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do I need some kind of antenna to receive it? What channel number would be used? Can it be received on the VCR? < 1600059710 611751 :roseinhat!~PhpIrcCli@46.61.178.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600059710 729009 :roseinhat!~PhpIrcCli@46.61.178.237 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1600059777 430209 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, and I don't like that we don't have the analog TV broadcast (I can receive one analog channel though, which seems to be some kind of signal analyzer), so use the cable box, but it goes through the VCR, and then to the TV. < 1600059809 225128 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never done it, but apparently cable channels 57-60 http://www.hamtv.com/ < 1600059888 646476 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, you'd need an antenna. regular UHF TV antenna would probably work ok < 1600059965 841634 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600059969 37866 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600060005 361657 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought though they are cable numbers and not UHF numbers < 1600060024 181078 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could make a dipole for that particular band out of a scrap TV coax along the lines of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tafy51yUzQo&ab_channel=KevinLoughin < 1600060046 931285 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1600060191 633396 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there are UHF broadcast channels just above the 70 cm amateur band, so a broadcast TV antenna will probably receive those amateur frequencies okay. and the tuner can tune those frequencies in "cable TV" mode < 1600060601 821919 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if there are any available in my area, and I do not have a antenna, anyways. < 1600060635 235426 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like so much the cable box; you have to use their software, which has bugs, and is difficult to use with other stuff < 1600060692 422347 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too bad < 1600061030 810507 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen open source TV software, but I don't know if it can receive digital cable TV, and their remote controls don't have numbers. < 1600061085 106156 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The model of cable box I have has composite video out, component video out, S video out, analog and digital audio out, HDMI, IEEE 1394, USB, eSATA, and EXT IR IN. < 1600061220 900602 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what functions are available with these things, such as I don't know if HDMI-CEC is implemented. I do know that captions are transmitted on the component video out. Is there a way to use these things to implement an external control? < 1600061306 736502 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1600065299 360335 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600065429 1371 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What my language obviously needs is the ability to run shell commands! < 1600065815 598036 :roseinhat!~PhpIrcCli@46.61.178.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600065816 425473 :roseinhat!~PhpIrcCli@46.61.178.237 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1600067053 558359 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: Yes, and possibly popen(). < 1600067471 629586 :roseinhat!~PhpIrcCli@46.61.178.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600067471 629659 :roseinhat!~PhpIrcCli@46.61.178.237 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1600067908 364762 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. I was looking at the last Python process module and I think that total effort is half my interpreter, in LoC. < 1600069458 456274 :roseinhat!~PhpIrcCli@46.61.178.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600069459 493147 :roseinhat!~PhpIrcCli@46.61.178.237 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1600069476 889259 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600070719 111112 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1600070990 682426 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600071123 888389 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600071728 435371 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning < 1600072007 459026 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning to all too < 1600072545 378533 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...just another dreary Monday... < 1600072770 247659 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember: it isn't mondays you hate but capitalism. < 1600072778 465024 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saw that on the internet. > 1600075422 593656 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Filth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77483&oldid=77482 5* 03Bananaapple 5* (+223) 10Removed ambiguity around label definition < 1600076722 562836 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600076748 8774 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600076756 36755 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nllxnyczsduexecm QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600076814 627813 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-znyoiltarorgvfml JOIN :#esoteric < 1600078377 105517 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning > 1600078408 201011 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071L a14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77484&oldid=77478 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+98) 10Alright, maybe logic can be incorporated. But every if statement has an unwanted side effect. > 1600078435 765297 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[071L a14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77485&oldid=77484 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+1) 10Oh < 1600078959 441471 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600079852 273885 :roseinhat!~PhpIrcCli@46.61.178.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600079852 420513 :roseinhat!~PhpIrcCli@46.61.178.237 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1600080027 294534 :roseinhat!~PhpIrcCli@46.61.178.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600080027 440620 :roseinhat!~PhpIrcCli@46.61.178.237 QUIT :Excess Flood > 1600080994 656395 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Filth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77486&oldid=77483 5* 03Bananaapple 5* (-117) 10Updated my interpreter, so I updated the wiki. Also I don't want to arms race with the other interpreter :) < 1600081424 507789 :roseinhat!~PhpIrcCli@46.61.178.237 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600081424 745800 :roseinhat!~PhpIrcCli@46.61.178.237 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1600081714 126296 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeet! I am automating my work on Egel in Egel.. < 1600081737 463324 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only problem, a two line perl script would do it better and shorter. < 1600081742 242142 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway. < 1600083058 101762 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-13.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600083396 133746 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600083720 539660 :egelbot!~egelbot@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1600083779 572602 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600084211 322316 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1600084476 681378 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: Lunch. < 1600084590 512859 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600084870 995242 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Filth14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77487&oldid=77486 5* 03Bananaapple 5* (+3) 10license name typo < 1600086681 203735 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: that means you're writing practical programs in egel and will learn of its deficiencies < 1600087148 588089 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :g/ 23 < 1600087154 280485 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail, sorry < 1600088157 615095 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, Knuth, wasn't it. < 1600088520 196370 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1600089074 195216 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving to cmake turns out to be a net positive. < 1600089521 163633 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Well, to some extent it does what it is supposed to do. Short quick and dirty scripts kind-of work. https://github.com/egel-lang/egel/blob/master/contrib/scripts/egeldoc.eg < 1600092096 642924 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600092170 501714 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-13.soborka.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1600093479 364861 :atriq!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600093965 294922 :atriq!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 NICK :Taneb < 1600095009 620271 :laerling!~laerling@static.235.77.203.116.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Changing host < 1600095009 620325 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling JOIN :#esoteric < 1600095281 5794 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1600095298 955296 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600097724 772652 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600097991 514690 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1600098223 456656 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1600098858 459520 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600098877 918467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1600098878 280027 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 141550Z AUTO 11006KT 050V140 9999 NCD 28/10 Q1019 NOSIG < 1600098892 958912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of September weather is this nonsense. < 1600099845 253618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. The letter combination "..fii.." looks somehow particularly ugly when the "fi" part gets ligated. < 1600099849 275640 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EHDL < 1600099849 912785 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EHDL 141555Z AUTO 10003KT 030V160 9999 NCD 29/13 Q1022 BLU < 1600099951 257000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a BLU sky. < 1600100210 765033 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my opinion is still that the "fi" ligature looks ugly in most fonts, I believe that's because font creators put in such a ligature that looks obviously different from a normal "fi" to make it clear that this is a "professional" font that has such ligatures. most fonts wouldn't need such a ligature, or would need one that differes from a normal kerned "fi" only very slightly. < 1600100333 509698 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking of putting out only PDFs which look like they have 70's monotype/typewriter in them. < 1600100362 338932 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably with handwritten symbols and figures. < 1600100616 368858 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1600100616 976342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 141550Z 07009KT CAVOK 26/13 Q1024 NOSIG < 1600100646 98013 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`grwp effi < 1600100648 552692 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :bogosort:Bogosort is an efficient sorting algorithm for nondeterministic Turing machines. Taneb may have invented it. < 1600100718 731863 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, I didn't know I might have invented htat < 1600100819 924570 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Taneb invented it, that must be one of those time-traveling inventions that he invented before he was born < 1600100918 763041 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was bogosort designed? < 1600100924 960039 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1600100947 413784 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1986 the latest < 1600100958 78656 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I was definitely not alive then < 1600100966 810308 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least so far < 1600100979 364160 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be one of those folklore things that are hard to trace to their origin < 1600101019 828595 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may indeed have been invented by a time travelling Taneb < 1600101091 600664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TTTP is short for the Time-Travelling Taneb Problem. < 1600102923 101726 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1600103121 514774 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600103291 651973 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600103293 700498 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1600104730 451060 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:19] Preferably with handwritten symbols and figures. => that’s inhumane! < 1600104800 350368 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH I like handwritten figures, but the combination of typewriter and handwriting is awfully unreadable. Mainly due to typewriter typeface but < 1600105246 467044 :ATMunn!ATMunn@hellomouse.net QUIT :Quit: lol rip < 1600105249 181519 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600105282 993877 :ATMunn!ATMunn@hellomouse.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600105292 339631 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esoteric < 1600105300 133445 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw in Hamming’s book that the bell shape of IQ distribution is due to the way they normalize the experimental data in its definition. Damn < 1600105341 366539 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in “Art of Doing Science and Engineering”) < 1600105437 6794 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a couple of days ago a video about IQ being actually nice, correct and okay and that there is a ton of legit articles about it. Now I don’t know what to think < 1600105628 684566 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mysteriously that video hadn’t anything said on the abundance of strange tests pretending to measure IQ but not being such. I’d think usually people share links to those as it has been difficult to me to find a neutral (geography-agnostic etc.) one. If I don’t know what longitudes a couple of not so major cities have, I don’t have lower generall intelligence, but I saw a question with this intended solution in one of the fake tests < 1600109079 953182 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://hastebin.com/afitakoroc.txt < 1600109164 105003 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone explain to me how I get multi-millisecond timings for something that takes drastically less cycles. < 1600109287 904508 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm misjudging actual work being done vs. interpreter spinup/spindown. < 1600110473 70841 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?metar CYVR < 1600110473 876788 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYVR 141900Z 27005KT 1SM R26R/4500FT/N R26L/5000FT/N FU BR BKN002 BKN014 OVC028 16/14 A2997 RMK FU3SF2ST2SC1 SLP150 DENSITY ALT 100FT < 1600111743 892287 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600111801 886306 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1600112174 758066 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: Which specific fonts do you mean? If you are using only a single fixpitch font, then, other than diagrams, plain text will do OK (and you can add form feeds between pages if you want to do). < 1600112342 379719 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Do you think the "fi" ligature is good in some fonts? (I see many fonts have bad kerning, often either too much or not enough, and the font used for web pages in Firefox on my computer has too much kerning I think, how can I adjust that? < 1600112788 162436 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in some Times-like fonts it's good, yes < 1600112802 116706 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in CMR too < 1600113017 908614 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: There are some nice retro fonts for latex which I downloaded once. They emulate old typewriters. < 1600113079 421838 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/344214/use-latex-to-simulate-old-typewriter-written-texts/344272 < 1600113101 119385 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I bought my new home computer! all the hardware will hopefully arrive this week, and then I can assemble and try it, but since there are so many parts and ways it can fail, it's unlikely that everything will actually work out within the week. < 1600113114 648830 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this doesn't count software configuration, which will take longer for me < 1600113181 357702 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is the most money that I have ever spent within any single day, though not by very far < 1600113678 42649 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the old days even PhD students would give their texts to an administrative who would type out/typeset it and fill in the math by hand. Also, fixed bugs in the text. I like that look. < 1600114195 111828 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I think that IQ is not the same as intelligence, although it is related. (I would define IQ as the score you would earn on a ideal IQ test, where 100 is average. Intelligence cannot properly be represented by a single number anyways, I think.) < 1600115213 775764 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I found out I suck at mental arithmetic with English-spelled numbers more than in general < 1600115277 498946 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: you do mental arithmetic in more than one language? I thought basically everyone did it only in one language, even bilingual people. < 1600115358 837300 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: As far as I can see, that is just using existing OpenType Computer Modern fonts, but with pdfLuaLaTeX to make the variability. (I would probably have done something different: produce the DVI normally (without any random variability), and then implement the random variability in PostScript code instead.) < 1600115935 72216 :ifinkias!moloko@gateway/shell/xshellz/x-pibgouqneatatlrx JOIN :#esoteric < 1600116034 117636 :ifinkias!moloko@gateway/shell/xshellz/x-pibgouqneatatlrx NICK :asaaaa12 < 1600116303 763186 :asaaaa12!moloko@gateway/shell/xshellz/x-pibgouqneatatlrx QUIT :Quit: Client Quit < 1600116524 496259 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think I do it in just Russian, yeah. That’s an interesting question, I’ll ask my friends how they think about themselves < 1600117096 839326 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think I understand why eight hundred thirty five is worse than 835 at least for me: the latter is more helpful to try making something with in visual operating memory, than the words which need converting and thus pollute the operating memory (which is VERY limited unless we represent something via linking to the longer-term memory, so mnemonics, or in this case, hard practice with non-native numerals, may help) < 1600117266 949087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know about `perf stat`. < 1600117275 957567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I did and I forgot. < 1600117291 248142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should add some of these things to my `time` program. < 1600117401 562218 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Yes, writing numbers with digits rather than words is better to work with. < 1600117870 381913 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'll take anything! < 1600117923 931455 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will take anything? < 1600117971 103526 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of a “dozenal transition problem”: if one uses 0123456789AB as base-12 digits, then when transitioning from base 10 to base 12, many literals like 389 will be ambiguous. So for example when transitioning to heximal, it would be practical to invent six, or at least five (leave 0 intact) new digits < 1600117988 582430 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what digits would you propose for whatever reason? < 1600118011 832373 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes! < 1600118029 504509 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just kidding, with regard to the retro typesetting. < 1600118094 734454 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: You can also make up an entirely new set of digits, or you can use prefixes such as 0x for hexadecimal (like in C) or 16# for hexadecimal (like in PostScript). < 1600118103 746557 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I don't like base 12, but if you insist, then I instead suggest base 5*6, with digits 0 1 2 3 4 5 for the unit digit, Z A B C D for the sixes digit, as described in http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2015-11-09.2335.html < 1600118139 71420 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then every number at least ends in a decimal digit, but every number that has more than one digit will have a digit that is not a decimal digit < 1600118190 918253 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my unthoughtful take on heximal (using old zero): J U Ɯ Ɣ Ƨ. Cons: even has lowercase! j u ɯ ɣ ƨ < 1600118225 964345 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Ƨ looks too similar to 2 in handwriting < 1600118328 527818 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that’s good for formal languages, I agree < 1600118344 893315 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but Ƨ looks too similar to 2 in handwriting => unfortunately < 1600118414 849843 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mixed 5×6 is interesting < 1600118428 109374 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it seems a bit complex < 1600118483 418908 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it does make it compatible with decimal numbers < 1600118484 502278 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought if one wants to transition to base 6, one may inadvertently end up with base 6×10 or 10×6 < 1600118502 8616 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah < 1600120209 581995 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosquitoes are very annoying. Moreso in the autumn when they should go to sleep, not pay me nightly visits. My poor fingers :( < 1600121668 335996 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?metar CYVR < 1600121668 818528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYVR 142200Z 30006KT 1SM R26R/4500FT/N R26L/5500FT/N FU BKN002 OVC021 16/14 A2994 RMK FU4SF1SC3 SLP139 DENSITY ALT 200FT > 1600123616 468297 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang Playground14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77488&oldid=75537 5* 03InfiniteDonuts 5* (+49) 10 > 1600123671 64145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang Playground14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77489&oldid=77488 5* 03InfiniteDonuts 5* (+14) 10 < 1600124037 575874 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600124070 400456 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600124097 505614 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600129766 494907 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.237.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1600131266 295664 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07GORBITSA14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77490&oldid=76305 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+1030) 10add interpreter; correct computational class; add two obviously missing output modes < 1600131556 946209 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600131664 966884 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600141583 28352 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600141885 957815 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600142716 68661 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :think I found a solution to the rewriting performance problem. < 1600142753 385870 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking inspiration from regular expression parsers, translating rewrite rules to a slim 4-instruction (or less) bytecode and then running that bytecode in a hot loop (or compiling it). < 1600143228 759491 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think earlier I was hoping to "gun it" with some low-effort method but those don't really cut it anymore. < 1600146422 927195 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600146548 640213 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600146948 226905 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?metar CYVR < 1600146948 874834 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYVR 150500Z 28005KT 1 1/2SM -RA FU OVC065 16/15 A3001 RMK FU4SC4 -RA INTMT SLP164 DENSITY ALT 100FT < 1600147063 558630 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600147211 642730 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600148888 554990 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1600150118 306249 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pbflist https://pbfcomics.com/comics/primate-checkmate/ < 1600150119 292638 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbflist https://pbfcomics.com/comics/primate-checkmate/: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion b_jonas Cale > 1600150531 81925 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Quelklef 5* 10New user account > 1600150688 386028 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77491&oldid=77456 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+212) 10Introduce myself > 1600150930 786774 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[073.725254969642999e-32114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77492 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+296) 10Created page with "3.725254969642999e-321 is a simple stack-based esolang created by [[User:Quelklef]] wherein the stack must only ever consist of 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:Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1600159235 704165 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1600160833 321398 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1600160853 526247 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1600160908 156741 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been working on asm2bf a bit, got around to implementing the brainfuck kernel idea < 1600160917 942141 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I got some cool stuff running already < 1600160957 867022 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bootloader loads the LBA(2) to memory at 0x500, which contains a small brainfuck interpreter which loads 4G descriptors for data and loads the brainfuck kernel file (the interpreter is RLE-aware) on 1M and puts the tape on 16M < 1600160981 924814 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brainfuck code loads the driver at 0x900 by `<'ing to the left and poking raw bytes there < 1600161000 198704 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then sets up an interrupt hnadler on int 1Ch which then fires and starts executing the loaded machine code < 1600161016 121134 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the driver put there by brainfuck code then modifies the brainfuck interpreter on 0x500 to add three instructions to it < 1600161042 401190 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`!' pushes current cell value to the virtual I/O stack, `?' pops one, and `#' flushes it < 1600161043 809356 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!'? No such file or directory < 1600161072 109106 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the virtual i/o stack is flushed, the driver code called by the interpreter which has been modded before starts checking the first value on the stack > 1600161115 526990 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tailor14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77494 5* 03LyricLy 5* (+10071) 10pandoc conversion from github readme.md < 1600161148 781114 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then pops off big endian 16-bit endian values, concatenates them to 32-bit register values, pops off the interrupt number, modifies self to actually call it, preserves state, ticks the interrupt, pops the state and saves the post-interrupt state to the I/O queue < 1600161171 200814 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far everything works, but the BIOS code is bugged somehow and probably smashes the stack < 1600161186 390670 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but writing to video memory and stuff works < 1600161189 767640 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thoughts? < 1600162043 121646 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1600165159 609256 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame, that seemed interesting. < 1600168364 102914 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600168576 602414 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Quit: Fnord — brb < 1600168596 828833 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1600169213 240697 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600169642 3864 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1600171490 815754 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1600172596 412506 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a program that can emit hard seeking disk noises as an SSD does radnom access? I like being able to hear the disk usage. < 1600172861 704886 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1600174593 925469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder how hard it would be to do that in hardware, by building something that makes noises (with a speaker, not a mock drive head or anything) and put that in line with the disk activity LED. < 1600174597 954731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A program is probably more reasonable, just wondering.) < 1600174871 291915 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1600174928 931031 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600175963 472219 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1600177224 544917 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: one problem is that it might not even make sense to ask how much an SSD is seeking, and/or hard to get that info, or it will behave very differently from a HDD due to how the kernel will optimize it differently. but you don't need to directly tie it to seeking, you could use some other composite metric that makes more sense. < 1600177289 714413 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: as for making noise with speaker, someone has probably already recorded hard disk seeking noises with a microphone and published it. but you could also just use an unused old slow small dummy hard disk. < 1600178146 785994 :tromp_!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:fde9:5157:8346:348e JOIN :#esoteric < 1600178203 49127 :j4cbo_!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wfwcqsereuetxzkg JOIN :#esoteric < 1600178224 609314 :pikhq_!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eormaukpodmtgnfr JOIN :#esoteric < 1600178228 50443 :Lymee!lymia@magical.girl.lyrical.lymia.moe JOIN :#esoteric < 1600178236 981512 :ProofTechnique_!sid79547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oabhwrmeevisxbwt JOIN :#esoteric < 1600178356 997730 :Bowserinator_!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1600178413 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Wanting to have something like a popen forces me to drop down to C/file handles everywhere in the os abstraction, I think. < 1600202733 237875 :SirFerom!~jfcanuel@modemcable152.26-20-96.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1600204112 348078 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600206057 802896 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?metar CYVR < 1600206058 410160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYVR 152138Z 31010KT 6SM FU BKN055 OVC150 OVC210 21/15 A3010 RMK FU3SC4AC1CI1 CI TR SLP194 DENSITY ALT 600FT < 1600206316 878161 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EHDL < 1600206317 606949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EHDL 152125Z AUTO VRB02KT 9999 BKN110 OVC300 19/15 Q1018 BLU < 1600206383 849147 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600206462 426353 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600206561 626137 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1600207506 712505 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tetrapyronia14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77510 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+588) 10Created page with "hey it's me :)
random languages i'm working on: == -1 == Commands: {| class="wikitable" |- | 1 || Push 1 |- | - || Pop top 2 items (A and B), push A-B |- | <...> || Repeat..." < 1600208498 819852 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. 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There are several approaches in the current Haskell like that one (I think tagless final encoding is another?) and I’m interested how well they are used etc. < 1600246975 82080 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the closest one < 1600247013 570112 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: but from a safe distance? < 1600247016 823536 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1600247028 674543 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realize I know nothing about yak-shaving. < 1600247033 304305 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: HELP! < 1600247033 676332 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: that the committee do and for organising the election, because, guess what, it shows to the fnord intelligence that is as efficient and effective as possible. < 1600247054 201432 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, sounds political... EU? UK? < 1600247057 905359 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1600247058 6942 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl* youtube < 1600247085 144954 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1600247085 288680 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1600247090 200819 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what does this do? < 1600247090 442955 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is it possible for one of your b100d and a beating heart tells in me, even the idiots. they are the most delicious bunches, < 1600247142 144449 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: don't end on a comma like that < 1600247142 284606 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: but it is your journey i am so over this puzzle, < 1600247158 20127 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: did they teach you nothing in grammar school? < 1600247158 131564 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: an old colonel lost, but a new brother gained. together they will ascend, each time you must be adventurin'. < 1600247211 51877 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( ^style urandom ) < 1600247312 703680 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in languages with less of a type system. I tried making some stuff with mypy (one of typecheckers for Python) but usually I can’t express things. Though mypy is really neat, it can express unions, self-types and “overloaded” functions (as Python doesn’t have overloads; but you can make several alternative type signatures for a function) and also has Delphi-esque “type of class” thing. Once I used unions for something lik < 1600247312 848570 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :e à la carte thing, but I think I couldn’t tie the knot or something; there were some problems if not this one < 1600247486 818699 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about yak shaving too < 1600247529 85847 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren’t they sufficiently sheep-like in this regard? < 1600247529 233696 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think knot tying is possible but everything needs to be point free since there's no type level lambda < 1600247582 425406 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :my cat says that meaow < 1600247673 15401 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts preparing some post-it notes that read "Shaggy because not shaved yet because reasons" instead
< 1600247712 292768 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: do those go on the yaks? < 1600247832 989592 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Presumably. < 1600248048 84477 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1600248338 669847 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to look into what "final tagless" and "free monad interpreter" and these other things were, the other day. < 1600248391 662990 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there were a few interesting things I picked up, but none of it had much appeal to me < 1600248578 233172 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The general idea of "evidence types" is a good one. < 1600248731 348748 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seems like it would be sometimes be difficult to apply. I'm writing a compiler, the language has a fairly complex AST. Some nodes at the leaves of the AST represent names. Those names can be unresolved, or resolved to refer to particular symbols. < 1600248786 313697 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be great to give them a different type if they were resolved, but, then the AST has to be able to contain two types of name nodes. Should the AST also get a different type? < 1600248805 348816 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, then it's not very much different from a sum type, which I'm already using. < 1600248823 657365 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "evidence types" < 1600248824 628592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Result Found. < 1600248852 623260 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun. I guess that code bit-rotted. < 1600248883 932626 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"evidence type": instead of checking "is this valid", return Just a typed value representing a valid instance of the thing if it is valid, or Nothing otherwise < 1600248892 700739 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.k.a a solution to "boolean blindness" < 1600248897 961531 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this jargon < 1600249228 375482 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was not connected to final tagless nor free monads? < 1600249253 24412 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*those* two are, to my mind, at best loosely connected) < 1600249281 188981 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, final tagless seems to be mainly a version of evidence types where, for each effect, there's an evidence type witnessing the fact that this function may use that effect < 1600249293 365461 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in that the expression problem comes up when you want to make a free monad extensible) < 1600249301 499042 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, evidence typeclasses, I suppose < 1600249322 218726 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free monads is more or less something else entirely, yes < 1600249713 274389 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing with the expression problem is, y'know, I really don't mind recompiling if I have to. < 1600249744 743851 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not 1998 anymore. < 1600249810 405936 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, in a lot of language ecosystems, people still do want to distribute libraries as opaque binary blobs, but. < 1600249999 641492 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, isn't the whole expression problem just an admission that deep down, we want OOP ;-) < 1600250096 378853 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm semiserious about this. The problem is one that in OO languages would be solved by inheritance, plus some visitors.) < 1600250130 435779 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, a lot of this has the feel of typed functional programming trying to play catch-up to OOP. < 1600250176 220051 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as for its motivation... I think it still comes up when you want to provide a base tree type in a library and let users extend it with new node types. < 1600253192 780535 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there was something like a dual to FP's expression problem in OO. < 1600254049 470983 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, though the expression problem exists there are usually okay work arounds to the problem. < 1600254059 228505 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: Lunch < 1600255435 939627 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: I believe the OO version of the problem is that it's hard to add new operations. < 1600255494 811591 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you follow the pattern of having one method per operation that is overloaded in every inherited object that needs its own behavior) < 1600255579 537899 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't completely go away if you implement the visitor pattern (fold + traverse ;-) ) because now the visitor has a method for each child class, so that becomes hard to extend. < 1600255634 899717 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming is hard < 1600255838 457629 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but what is never mentioned is that you can sometimes defensively work around it, right? I find that a bit of a shame. < 1600256002 419469 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not buzzword-compatible. < 1600256027 998573 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to write papers about too < 1600256047 329548 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we did the boring thing and nothing exciting ever happened" < 1600256165 795770 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://xkcd.com/1827/ is relevant < 1600256488 62436 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For every success story about a new programming paradigm, how many failures are there? We usually don't know.) < 1600256763 418265 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah, it's hard to find honest academics. < 1600256804 15606 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually, you're supposed to figure out all drawbacks to some approach yourself. < 1600256818 475893 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's about honesty per se. < 1600257157 296894 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's almost no incentive for writing papers about failures... for the people who fail. I'm sure there are researchers on project management, software engineering and the like who lament that situation... they'd love to analyse failed projects. < 1600257218 805084 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about motives, only about outcome. < 1600257240 467602 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's annoying if you always need to guess what isn't said. < 1600257469 711145 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sadly, the best place to find honest academics is at the bar near an academic conference... casual and off the record. < 1600257537 383083 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most of the publications don't lie either, but their scope is heavily biased towards success. < 1600257572 116947 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh did I mention that many venues have page limits for papers which means the authors have to decide which aspects of their work are most interesting and relevant? < 1600257603 362210 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mwa, I just take industry as a good lead. They're good at shaking out what's useful. < 1600257758 611214 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's the problem of citations... papers in academia are basically worthless unless they're cited by others < 1600257856 254310 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :industry... yeah that works as long as they don't try to sell you stuff (blockchain) < 1600258452 906765 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1600260841 870230 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1600260856 821254 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600262191 484382 :tromp!~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:fde9:5157:8346:348e QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1600264608 129203 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm industry hm that’s suboptimal still < 1600265222 477557 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600265295 442089 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stumbled on 2/0, a fan-made sequel to 1/0. Attempted to read it, abandoned it quickly. < 1600265329 453484 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it becomes good eventually, I don't recommend it < 1600265339 595923 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be intentionally annoying < 1600265793 319319 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My language? < 1600266812 594597 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1600266820 246931 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? was referring to 2/0, the webcomic < 1600266820 620821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : was referring to 2/0, the webcomic < 1600267167 798263 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1600268005 131028 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Filth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77518&oldid=77487 5* 03Bananaapple 5* (+191) 10remove some ambiguity < 1600269529 86340 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonstandard, didactic, coherent. Pick any two < 1600269619 6159 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600269829 85070 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1600270160 171650 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600270638 911254 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH, context helps. < 1600270773 598770 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: doesn't didactic imply coherent... < 1600270829 305570 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Not when the person being didactic has a decidedly nonstandard view of the world... < 1600270904 630921 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that rules out most academics again. < 1600270919 989839 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION *ducks*
< 1600271063 766165 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: I can't hear you from the top of my ivory tower. < 1600271089 235835 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: But ducking makes yoy a bigger target ;) < 1600271131 208767 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I can't hear you either because the mud down here gets into my ears. < 1600271219 440005 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh "yoy", brilliant. < 1600271517 148898 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? x < 1600271517 513219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : x < 1600271526 428053 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help ?? < 1600271529 296569 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\\\¯\\\\\\\(\\\°\\\_\\\o\\\)\\\/\\\¯\\\?\\\ \\\¯\\\\\\\(\\\°\\\_\\\o\\\)\\\/\\\¯ < 1600271545 125448 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help ?? < 1600271545 611189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1600271554 959282 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help "??" < 1600271555 492053 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1600271573 23023 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help verbatim < 1600271573 509094 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1600271700 88947 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whois ?? < 1600271700 938755 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :whois? No such file or directory < 1600271704 670275 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whatis ?? < 1600271705 685729 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​??(1hackeso) - no description < 1600271768 905932 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need 100 hours in a day and preferrably not more than 1/3 of them for sleep, to make room for all interesting things, and also for all necessary things < 1600271796 601390 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whatis @eval < 1600271797 737578 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@eval: nothing appropriate. < 1600271805 889015 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whatis @ask < 1600271806 991376 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​@ask: nothing appropriate. < 1600271821 652055 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ll ask nothing appropriate < 1600271843 339396 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I am so not interested in the difference between file descriptors (ints) and file handlers (FILE*) but I have the feeling I should find out more. < 1600271866 560352 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two kinds of them in the same OS? wow > 1600271911 394847 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:SpaghettiScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77519 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+597) 10Add note about implementation < 1600271918 524316 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C/C++ is messy. I can't find the abstractions I need in C++, dropped down to C, now I find there are two abstractions there. Just to make life convenient. < 1600271939 385509 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone else got it right though but I need to get a bit more assurance. < 1600271942 184933 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not. < 1600271969 47006 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just hack something usually works out fine too! < 1600272009 857923 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, what to do instead of descriptors/hadles? < 1600272043 593725 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh? I am just not very sure how safe it is to mix them. < 1600272077 546345 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, then it’s how I understood what you said < 1600272133 333247 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the start < 1600272174 36741 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a FILE* is probably a file descriptor with some extra buffering. Could be okay to mix. Unsure. < 1600272204 132667 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch me reading GCC code next.. :/ < 1600272231 258535 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I’d be anxious with that situation, as if you even experiment with them and they seem to be the same, or in a simple one-to-one relation, then there might be a rare case when they aren’t, so the only hope to cover the general situation is to find the root < 1600272235 163447 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: that is more or less the case. Just fflush() the FILE * before using the file descriptor inside it. < 1600272261 337331 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Good tip. > 1600272428 626127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SpaghettiScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77520&oldid=77440 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+77) 10Add count down < 1600272492 357910 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 > 1600273024 512022 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SpaghettiScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77521&oldid=77520 5* 03UltimateProGrammer 5* (+194) 10Add Converting code from other languages section < 1600273228 10792 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: darn it, I should help you with the C++ right? give me a moment < 1600273278 991285 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600273346 989009 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Uh, no? I am comfortable thinking this over. It's not a big change, just a thing which will take me some time to get to the stage where I feel comfortable I got it right. < 1600273363 739052 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: sure, but I think you're missing a few things < 1600273423 228500 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a bit annoyed that C++ doesn't offer a number of abstractions I find are basic to Unix programming. I need pipes and a shell. < 1600273436 423966 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the f are they? < 1600273461 553342 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 2020... < 1600273474 344200 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: so normally if you want to use both an std::ostream and a FILE on the same descriptor, then yes, you have to flush between them. but if you're using gcc on linux, then libstdc++ knows enough about glibc that they share their buffer, so you don't need that. this is documented in https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-10.2.0/libstdc++/manual/manual/io_and_c.html#std.io.c.FILE < 1600273514 209591 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that works only on the three standard handles I think < 1600273520 404773 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THere's no portable means of getting a file handle from a stream, I gathered? < 1600273532 834958 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seem to be different worlds. < 1600273561 39419 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :spruit11: there's no portable way indeed, but there is a nonportable way on linux < 1600273570 207021 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang too? < 1600273587 985829 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume so < 1600273606 85709 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I could do it but it would become a mess fast I think. I am dropping to C. < 1600273667 480707 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600273933 514817 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why do you need a file handle from a stream? I thought you need a C++ iostream from a file descriptor, to operate on an iostream after you do a popen < 1600274010 621119 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see how to do that. https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-10.2.0/libstdc++/manual/manual/ext_io.html#manual.ext.io.filebuf_derived is supposed to tell, but it doesn't seem to say whether closing that stream will close the underlying FILE, and it's hard to use this without that. < 1600274072 690164 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably write your own class derived from std::streambuf that handles this though, and that's more portable < 1600274202 182805 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, popen doesn't seem to solve what I need/want. I need some exec, probably. Lemme look. < 1600274358 104985 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically stdio and C++ streams are so weird that sometimes you want your own buffering abstractions < 1600274435 188103 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I could do popen for now but preferably I would also obtain a PID. < 1600274493 517175 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. Still in the reading stage and just following what Haskell and Python do. < 1600276186 373211 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600276255 163456 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600276268 214122 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1600276592 706173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03CaptainFoxtrot 5* 10New user account > 1600276868 291580 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77522&oldid=77517 5* 03CaptainFoxtrot 5* (+189) 10 < 1600278228 708601 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric > 1600279195 221077 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DeybisMelendez14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77523&oldid=75705 5* 03DeybisMelendez 5* (+405) 10More personal information < 1600280696 179106 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600281302 367084 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600282227 404386 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600283505 176070 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600285612 260214 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600285859 94313 :nfd9001!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1600288037 252688 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07InterpretMe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77524&oldid=74792 5* 03Cortex 5* (+233) 10Added python 3 interpreter > 1600288104 178549 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PythoLambda14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77525&oldid=48920 5* 03Cortex 5* (+102) 10Added python 3 interpreter < 1600293794 608781 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 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02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77537&oldid=77536 5* 03OsmineYT 5* (-1) 10 > 1600298798 269133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:OsmineYT/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77538&oldid=77537 5* 03OsmineYT 5* (+1) 10 < 1600298799 136056 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1600298813 952670 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:OsmineYT/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77539&oldid=77538 5* 03OsmineYT 5* (+1) 10 > 1600298931 340181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:OsmineYT/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77540&oldid=77539 5* 03OsmineYT 5* (+32) 10 < 1600299076 508028 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric > 1600299107 18902 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:OsmineYT/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77541&oldid=77540 5* 03OsmineYT 5* (-5) 10 > 1600299129 831069 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:OsmineYT/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77542&oldid=77541 5* 03OsmineYT 5* (+1) 10 > 1600299152 772583 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:OsmineYT/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77543&oldid=77542 5* 03OsmineYT 5* (+0) 10 > 1600299174 671144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:OsmineYT/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77544&oldid=77543 5* 03OsmineYT 5* (+1) 10 > 1600299230 646939 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:OsmineYT/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77545&oldid=77544 5* 03OsmineYT 5* (-29) 10 < 1600299555 540364 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600300487 564391 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Lgkmkd 5* 10New user account < 1600301925 742651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walked past a Apple hardware second-hand/repair shop the other day, it was called "Secondbyte" and their logo (the letter 'o') was an apple with two bites taken out of it (one on each side). < 1600305605 252941 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played a bit in 19edo in 13edt, yay < 1600305619 704313 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and in < 1600305656 470189 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : and their logo (the letter 'o') was an apple with two bites taken out of it (one on each side). => lol :D < 1600305803 599697 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑↑ and both on a conventional 12edo keyboard. That’s pretty weird on the senses but I guess majority of xenmusicians uses those fairly often, as non-12edo-keyboards aren’t still that ubiquitous × cheap < 1600305822 83782 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still nice < 1600306091 38949 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1600306872 221820 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A digital piano I have allows adjusting the temperament, although always with twelve notes in one octave. < 1600308934 720341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sorts of adjustments does it allow? < 1600309343 936829 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can adjust tuning up and down, and you can select from a set of different temperaments, including equal temperament without a tuning curve (which I think makes it sound better when you are selecting a sound other than the piano sound; the piano sound is better with the tuning curve), Pythagorean, and a few others. For the non-equal kinds you can also select which note is the base note. > 1600310425 628356 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Acrostic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77546&oldid=71932 5* 03JWinslow23 5* (+370) 10Added Python implementation & truth machine example < 1600311947 612831 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600312010 646939 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1600313270 267704 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tetrapyronia14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77547&oldid=77514 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+983) 10 < 1600314962 918658 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1600315647 998874 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1600319470 945400 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600319497 964193 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1600319552 913760 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1600324046 3381 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1600324742 473100 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1600326572 194756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar KSEA < 1600326572 681008 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSEA 170653Z 15005KT 6SM HZ FU OVC050 18/16 A3004 RMK AO2 SLP178 T01830156 < 1600326867 109569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar kpae < 1600326868 688144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :KPAE 170653Z AUTO 15008KT 3SM HZ FU CLR 18/16 A3006 RMK AO2 SLP177 T01830156 < 1600329256 561706 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600329668 278514 :nfd!~nfd9001@c-67-183-38-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1600330141 531040 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600330283 888483 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600335321 420260 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1600337485 169430 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600342509 35991 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: kwit < 1600343136 990180 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1600343531 201859 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nice. I’ve even forgotten that classical pianos are tuned slightly off 12edo to sound nicer because their strings are a bit inharmonic, so makes perfect sense to make that a default for an electric classical piano. Now I wonder if my hardware synthesizer does something like that for its piano presets (they all are presumably sampled, not synthesized in a more traditional way like FM) < 1600343611 281712 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately all my tuning-able VSTs are not pianos. I need to revisit xenwiki to make sure I ain’t missing anything < 1600344613 459210 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1600346523 818179 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Funge-9814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77548&oldid=65665 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (+32) 10/* Instructions */ & and ~ reflect on EOF > 1600346574 780264 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Funge-9814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77549&oldid=77548 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (-2) 10/* Instructions */ < 1600347816 532766 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1600347831 841917 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600348509 86547 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600350083 70206 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric > 1600352292 404609 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chef14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77550&oldid=68303 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+128) 10Added a link. > 1600352365 755221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Acrostic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77551&oldid=77546 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+2) 10Linked truth-machine. < 1600352823 472925 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600355315 703905 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600357201 797268 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-190.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600357368 399643 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600357475 272616 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1600357656 154831 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?metar CYVR < 1600357656 885358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYVR 171500Z 19003KT 2 1/2SM FU BKN025 OVC041 16/16 A3004 RMK SC5SC3 SLP174 DENSITY ALT 100FT < 1600357892 903953 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: You could try other programs, such as Csound < 1600358262 856477 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1600358656 995508 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600359163 506527 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600359560 445678 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1600360697 76237 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1600360932 2233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:SunnyMoon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77552&oldid=77467 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-2) 101L_a < 1600360994 334881 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600362567 462755 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600362740 230342 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600362748 583278 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1600368097 508279 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1600368135 560698 :ATMunn!ATMunn@hellomouse.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1600368146 9233 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1600368953 489417 :ATMunn!ATMunn@gateway/shell/hellomouse/x-ihjmyjyykiaqkmcl JOIN :#esoteric < 1600368971 495797 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1600368990 330812 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esoteric < 1600371622 430546 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:24f8:257:f104:7be7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600371684 894020 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1600372547 67940 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600376089 269374 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Filth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77553&oldid=77518 5* 03Bananaapple 5* (+1873) 10Added programming in Filth section > 1600376110 259036 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Filth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77554&oldid=77553 5* 03Bananaapple 5* (+0) 10 < 1600378955 487719 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600379471 68361 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600379640 171187 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: ... < 1600379694 508610 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1600379800 326954 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600379823 452426 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1600379859 597631 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1600380009 40603 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600380047 801421 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:24f8:257:f104:7be7 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1600380119 482457 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1600380264 645036 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600380366 495818 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600380390 630245 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1600380418 454493 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600380426 715860 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600380450 662308 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( at Internet connection < 1600380682 301846 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1600380761 763866 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1600382151 207311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My internet connection has been having a weird issue for the last month or three. < 1600382159 157470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, the write direction of long-running TCP connections seems to mysteriously stall for 5-10 seconds or so, every now and then; usually I notice it when typing in a SSH connection, maybe once or twice an hour. My wife's Skype calls seem to also do the same (others can't hear her), with about the same frequency and duration. < 1600382190 249648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I've tried to do ICMP pings to monitor, there hasn't been really any packet loss or extra delay. And I've not noticed any problems at all with Google Meet video calls, which are presumably going over UDP (since all HTTPS to Google servers from Chrome tends to use QUIC). It seems to be just TCP, and just egress. < 1600382201 980248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should talk to my ISP, but even though their support is above-average, I'm a little worried that's still too vague for a report. I've been writing up a networking monitoring program that would do regular pings (to two Internet endpoints and one local) x (over IPv4 and IPv4) x (with TCP and UDP), in the hopes of getting some hard data. I'm expecting to see problems with the two Internet endpoints but < 1600382207 994269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the local one, and only for the pings over a TCP connection. With no particular expectations for the v4/v6 distinction, but might as well be thorough. < 1600382213 269176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, weird. < 1600382242 979431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, s/and IPv4/and IPv6/, otherwise that sentence no sense makes. < 1600382961 429849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of TCP, I was wondering the other day whether there's any reason programs couldn't get/send TCP datagrams directly from/to the OS instead of relying on its implementation of TCP. < 1600382993 419481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, a security reason or anything. You can do raw IP but that requires taking over an interface and being root and so on. < 1600383787 395084 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the operating system's TCP is helpful so that netstat can work, and for some other purposes too < 1600384070 112633 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600384176 924049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there might be reasons to avoid it. < 1600384194 164171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are things like epoll pretty much only necessary because of TCP? < 1600385140 291833 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600385165 43789 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600385408 38017 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1600385822 670089 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600385944 885817 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The reason that programs can't send TCP datagrams directly from/to the OS is probably because there's usually no reason to. (It'd have to be checked to ensure the port/etc. match up with what's supposed to be used.) As for epoll, it's for handling large numbers of FDs. Not necessarily sockets. < 1600385975 944336 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1600386008 494331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but in what other situation do you need to monitor a large number of file descriptors? < 1600386011 507963 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But even if it is sockets, a hundred UDP sockets still need to be checked for incoming datagrams. < 1600386042 810289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you have a hundred UDP sockets, though? < 1600386092 445324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a server listening on a hundred ports? < 1600386168 296309 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600386294 521526 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600386347 660408 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600386365 40460 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Something to note is that epoll allows supplying a small amount of user data with each file descriptor. Enough to store a pointer to whatever "object" structure represents, say, a specific session, so the user application doesn't have to perform the lookup. < 1600386414 762849 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So combine that with any theoretical gains from not using sendto/recvfrom and it may be beneficial to use a more TCP-like model with UDP sockets. < 1600386445 942772 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. one 'server' UDP socket and several 'connection' UDP sockets) < 1600386458 283029 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1600386468 684274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would that work? Listening on different ports? < 1600386496 825927 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The connect syscall is usable on UDP sockets. It just limits what they receive to packets from a specific target arriving at a specific local port. < 1600386509 123114 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a specific remote port. < 1600386533 740261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the benefit of moving that all into the kernel is. < 1600386693 390916 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not sure. That said the kernel is doing filtering anyway because of the bound port. < 1600386778 10332 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess the answer is to benchmark it and see what happens? < 1600389365 988158 :kd33!18d09499@cpe-24-208-148-153.insight.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1600389571 418123 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1600389838 747341 :kd33!18d09499@cpe-24-208-148-153.insight.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600390628 62873 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600391001 927283 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600392005 149377 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77555&oldid=77343 5* 03JWinslow23 5* (+193) 10Added Acrostic truth machine < 1600395460 710750 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1600398466 385801 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SCREAMCODE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77556&oldid=77382 5* 03Baguette 5* (+73) 10Added reference implementation < 1600405744 95796 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1600405864 681986 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600405940 896159 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600405945 845085 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1600409697 256524 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1600410099 539552 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03MatthiasChan 5* 10New user account > 1600410271 530829 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77557&oldid=77522 5* 03MatthiasChan 5* (+218) 10/* Introductions */ Introduction > 1600410481 888202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheems14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77558 5* 03MatthiasChan 5* (+1098) 10Cheems# base page, needs upgrades obviously > 1600410523 335540 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheems14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77559&oldid=77558 5* 03MatthiasChan 5* (+15) 10lets see if this fixes that > 1600410554 950418 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheems14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77560&oldid=77559 5* 03MatthiasChan 5* (-15) 10fixed again night > 1600410572 816178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheems14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77561&oldid=77560 5* 03MatthiasChan 5* (+12) 10re-fixed now < 1600411987 725172 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eormaukpodmtgnfr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600411997 852757 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ipgmmtjaozdoagko QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600412006 208471 :mich181189!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xetitbmdlcienciy QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600412006 208515 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-isfyxpvkhlmfjqnf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600412016 612403 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-znyoiltarorgvfml QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1600412035 998274 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wfwcqsereuetxzkg QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600412081 213954 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kohrwacbaxkbctnw JOIN :#esoteric < 1600412166 6965 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dgxobjqrsteggaxl JOIN :#esoteric < 1600412186 47039 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1600412186 779032 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eddjpjmywnpghker JOIN :#esoteric < 1600412197 902903 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rqcnbpnfbvvgmnkw JOIN :#esoteric < 1600412210 782581 :mich181189!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mzbfeedrxgssqmom JOIN :#esoteric < 1600412252 40064 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wehhdkcwphwwvmhs JOIN :#esoteric > 1600412454 42339 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheems14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77562&oldid=77561 5* 03MatthiasChan 5* (+163) 10Pointers have been added. Langauge is now ready for usage < 1600412559 739418 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:ced:770a:c209:e12b JOIN :#esoteric > 1600412721 597765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07IBC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77563&oldid=75185 5* 03MatthiasChan 5* (+187) 10Added my Plans > 1600413021 513449 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheems14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77564&oldid=77562 5* 03MatthiasChan 5* (+71) 10 < 1600416573 355205 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600416703 822833 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600417206 498403 :adminn!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed JOIN :#esoteric < 1600417353 726630 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600417818 197955 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1600417855 304593 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1600418508 312296 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1600419176 96973 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-yvvotcryrajnshvw QUIT :Quit: killed < 1600419181 743712 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-utpbmjedngohaads QUIT :Quit: killed < 1600419187 166388 :Discordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-nvshegazwcilpltb QUIT :Quit: killed < 1600419217 483321 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...they killed the matrix... < 1600419228 118011 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: deja vu? < 1600419235 963338 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:ced:770a:c209:e12b QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600419252 855994 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I guess I exhausted my quota. < 1600419262 433565 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1600419262 540203 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck* ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube < 1600419303 426270 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people are DoSing me by not talking to fungot ;-) < 1600419411 815016 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I didn't know you had a quota. < 1600419411 960610 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what a surprise, you are dragging your schizophrenic hopping around like a rag of souls begins. the reckoning. this affects a belt of meteors, called the medium in which the cards present some convenience. < 1600419439 963745 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... yes. I suppose I deserved that. < 1600419459 344847 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It stops replying to the same person after 5 messages. < 1600419484 505553 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Heya, long time no seen. < 1600419484 630052 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: to the left is that house shape you've seen everything! s)(e will be gone soon future i that wwould be there in her final moment. but then it is probably you! that would have been a great point for a transition. you wonder what it does? < 1600419544 42034 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Even when those 5 messages are spread out over hours or days :) < 1600419609 469621 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. cabal-install 3.4 will remove sandboxes. I guess I really have to figure out how to live without those soonish :-/ < 1600419621 133189 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate progress. :P < 1600420697 607828 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qvjtfkbxwjsjoqqu JOIN :#esoteric < 1600420759 462875 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qvjtfkbxwjsjoqqu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600420800 257309 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tfw the code review is full of spaghetti but you don't want to say anything because you don't want to get dragged into an unending nightmare discussion that will break your brain so you just click "approve" < 1600420851 129382 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1600421018 243299 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a happier note, i'm trying to use cabal for the first time in a project (i have been using my hand-rolled luddite hugs-supporting scripts until now) < 1600421038 315719 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be using the "v2" commands I guess < 1600421043 821914 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should also be using Text instead of String < 1600421059 268404 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :old habits die hard < 1600421190 119717 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xhwcudtxxaisaujr JOIN :#esoteric < 1600421246 533578 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're learning cabal-install, yes, you should definitely learn the v2 commands (which are already the default in cabal-install 3.2, I think?). < 1600421328 506349 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :changing is harder... I have a working mental model for the old commands :/ < 1600421364 340563 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and, also importantly, I have no problem with the old commands that needs solving) < 1600421410 951022 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my only motivation to switch is... that the old commands will be removed. < 1600421541 678731 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The version of cabal-install that is provided by Ubuntu 18.04 seems to be... 1.24.0.2. Which sounds old. Which is pretty typical for Ubuntu packages actually. < 1600421570 735630 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll figure out how to install a bleeding edge version soon. < 1600421596 822102 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least a badly bruised edge. < 1600421619 923728 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.24.0.2... < 1600421623 602817 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1600421632 179893 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that brings back memories ;) < 1600421773 983331 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, 2.0.0.0 was released 2017-08-07... feels like ages ago. < 1600421807 503054 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's some excuse for an April 2018 distribution to stick to an earlier version. < 1600422784 922597 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cabal: This version of 'cabal-install' does not support the 'uninstall' operation. It will likely be implemented at some point in the future" < 1600422795 778795 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how're those memories < 1600422838 358786 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just started "cabal install cabal-install", I wonder where I will end up < 1600422858 32997 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Warning: Note that reinstalls are always dangerous. Continuing anyway..." < 1600422860 505574 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good stuff < 1600422878 35076 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should end up in ~/.cabal/bin ... possibly with a symlink in ~/bin < 1600422884 672237 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not running this as root, I hope < 1600422892 493696 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as root, no < 1600422923 702648 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Building Cabal-3.0.2.0..." ok, so far so good < 1600422948 765071 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, interesting... is your ghc (base) too old for 3.2? :) < 1600422968 458505 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be, I noticed the other day it's a minor version or two behind < 1600422970 953877 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lwxumhsktpumvthk JOIN :#esoteric < 1600422977 62435 :iscordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jgpwacvnnsobwreq JOIN :#esoteric < 1600423074 48754 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600423079 163050 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm. no, that's not it, unless the ghc is older than 8.0 < 1600423136 511636 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ghc 8.0.smth where I think smth is 2 < 1600423165 501044 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, 2 < 1600423199 772027 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just happy for cabal-install to be not-ancient < 1600423321 868765 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, here's why... https://hackage.haskell.org/package/lukko-0.1.1.2/lukko.cabal < 1600423328 498729 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cabal-version: 2.2" < 1600423341 785278 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cabal-install 3.2 depends on lukko < 1600423445 951458 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see "Downloading the latest package list from hackage.haskell.org" still doesn't show a progress bar. That always annoyed me. < 1600423489 192057 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's building my project now though, looks a little nicer < 1600423498 640930 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has succeeded. so that's good < 1600423634 558311 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dist directory structure has altered considerably. That's less good < 1600423662 725464 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh and lukko depends on Cabal 2.2 because it's dual-licensed. Such fun. ("license: GPL-2.0-or-later AND BSD-3-Clause" -- the "AND" is not supported in earlier versions) < 1600423664 685809 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need to "install" the built binary somewhere before running automated tests on it I guess < 1600423685 333316 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear me < 1600423715 211813 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really understood dual licensing < 1600423747 392828 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what way? < 1600423797 517846 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a user you get to pick one of the licenses. < 1600423803 160583 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You have the option of distributing this under license X or license Y" when license X doesn't prohibit adding licence Y on top < 1600423814 821931 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just distribute under X, let people add Y if they feel like < 1600423844 42795 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this instance X=BSD3, Y=GPL2 < 1600423870 317365 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, the non-endorsement clause of the 3 clause BSD license is not compatible with GPL. < 1600423892 82840 :iscordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jgpwacvnnsobwreq NICK :Discordian[m] < 1600423895 712204 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least if you ask a lawyer. > 1600423955 394607 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77565&oldid=70784 5* 03Void 5* (+25) 10Add author github link > 1600424000 626722 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07KeyVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77566&oldid=76127 5* 03Void 5* (+25) 10Add author github link < 1600424098 309980 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if I redistribute Lukko under the GPL am I then allowed to use the name of its author to endorse it? < 1600424131 452153 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you're not bound by the clause in the BSD license then. < 1600424140 570265 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means... maybe. < 1600424180 928573 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're still constrained by general laws. < 1600424186 623891 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, if you are so inclined, ethics. :P < 1600424332 539268 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably if no-endorsing-clause was a dealbreaker for the author, they wouldn't allow the GPL option. So they could have just weakened it to BSD 2-clause. < 1600424396 835630 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's their choice. < 1600424417 465664 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and it was my choice to release the last version of ILLGOL under 8 different licenses < 1600424445 717982 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I prefer the MIT license anyway... less clumsy to adopt for personal use. < 1600424505 366069 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( "Regents of the University of California" ) < 1600424531 962018 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I release a lot of stuff under the Unlicense, partly because I don't want to bother updating copyright years < 1600424568 225371 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gotten flak for choosing it, because some people think it's not valid in Germany or something < 1600424576 962445 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1600424585 710294 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's Germany's problem rather than mine, frankly < 1600424681 614035 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no way to relinquish copyrights in Germany. < 1600424766 704647 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes, the license text looks hard to apply there. < 1600424955 579324 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But apparently it's now OSI-approved. < 1600424985 234561 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600425012 254212 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1600425153 59064 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1600425597 47175 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600425755 80959 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600425964 28634 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600426404 37493 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1600426469 21724 :opticnerve!~opticnerv@host-79-43-33-44.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1600426495 946717 :opticnerve!~opticnerv@host-79-43-33-44.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600426545 166230 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600427177 200250 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.68.28 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600427878 119104 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.68.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure about this cabal upgrade. `cabal build` is ok, then `cabal install` tries to build again, but can't find interfaces < 1600428066 467485 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.68.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also `cabal build` doesn't detect changes in my source files. < 1600428074 33320 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.68.28 PRIVMSG #esoteric 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:arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :about numerical stuff < 1600440404 693075 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600440447 580548 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of converting between cent representation and frequency ratio representation when the user chooses so, might it be a bit more accurate to store both and manipulate them independently? < 1600440464 518169 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one is in logarithmic domain < 1600440557 380922 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so conversions back and forth may be bad. But maybe they may go out of sync when calculating something long independently? < 1600440572 469150 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/they/the values < 1600442222 914857 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600442225 912633 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600442503 53003 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric > 1600447454 264730 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Remolacha 5* 10New user account < 1600449026 390911 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600449203 766556 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600449206 709038 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1600450192 738073 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1600450315 51913 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600451013 322032 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1600451140 50052 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1600454605 60463 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?metar CYVR < 1600454605 795388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYVR 181800Z 35002KT 1SM R08L/P6000FT/N R08R/P6000FT/N BR FU FEW007 FEW020 OVC037 18/17 A2989 RMK SF1SC1SC6 SLP122 DENSITY ALT 400FT < 1600454938 957038 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600457433 827570 :zeroed!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.0 - https://znc.in < 1600458136 108660 :adminn!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed NICK :zeroed < 1600458624 593679 :Bastura!6dacaf5b@109.172.175.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600458801 512315 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1600459256 924102 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600459911 195620 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1600460052 334869 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1600460109 308419 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1600463874 51042 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07QTTRPG14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77576 5* 03MatthiasChan 5* (+1169) 10Created the Page, In-Dev > 1600463927 156950 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07QTTRPG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77577&oldid=77576 5* 03MatthiasChan 5* (+2) 10 > 1600463947 974864 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07QTTRPG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77578&oldid=77577 5* 03MatthiasChan 5* (-5) 10 > 1600467922 456040 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Binarycat 5* 10New user account < 1600467950 39135 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600468234 147627 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77579&oldid=77557 5* 03Binarycat 5* (+176) 10 < 1600468390 965543 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1600470916 846747 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1600471532 772080 :Bastura!6dacaf5b@109.172.175.91 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600472749 60826 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In TeX, cross-references which contain page numbers after the current page may affect their width and therefore affect line breaks, since you would first have to typeset them without the reference filled in. I suppose one solution might be to include leading zeros in page numbers. Another solution is to only cross-reference section numbers and not page numbers. < 1600472858 403981 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sort of thing is why you have to run tex multiple times to get all the references right, yeah? < 1600473112 966827 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I am only running it once; just the first time, the output routine doesn't write anything into the DVI file. Deferred \write doesn't work if you don't write into the DVI file, so instead I use insertions containing alternating marks and penalties. < 1600473241 484814 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even if you are going to ship out the page, you may need some data from it before shipping it out in order to add headers and footers. Marks partially work, but that isn't always good enough. Using insertions in this way allows emulating multiple classes of marks.) < 1600473376 941686 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1600473452 416072 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another possibility that I can think of for cross-references to page numbers is to remember the values of \prevgraf for each paragraph where such cross-references occur, written to a file in order, and then during the next phase, read them back and save the difference, and then finally, use the differences as the \looseness parameter for that paragraph. < 1600473525 449620 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, this might fail if \brokenpenalty is nonzero. < 1600473703 185183 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Running TeX only once also helps if external files are not allowed to persist, such as in case they are stored in memory instead of disk files.) < 1600476355 28923 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :a single rewrite step now costs about 100ns. < 1600476365 561477 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :must. go. lower. < 1600476515 313142 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600477917 654861 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainForth14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77580 5* 03Binarycat 5* (+3005) 10Created page with " BrainForth is an esoteric programing language created by [[User:Binarycat]] in 2020 that combines the tape and minimal instruction set of brainfuck with Forth's word system...." > 1600478172 682258 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainForth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77581&oldid=77580 5* 03Binarycat 5* (+31) 10 < 1600482147 291243 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1600485410 162937 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600490493 559152 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started writing rules of Scientific Role Playing System, in case you are interested of such thing, and/or might have a comment. See: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/scirps.ui/dir?ci=tip > 1600492024 53975 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FiM++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77582&oldid=70579 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (-25) 10Removed "Output only" category. Input in FiM++ is written as "I read" or "I heard" < 1600492350 119286 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600492440 274724 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1600492440 420504 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1600492578 93352 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Wenyan-lang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77583&oldid=73638 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (-19) 10/* External resources */ > 1600493209 256860 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chef14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77584&oldid=77550 5* 03DGCK81LNN 5* (-65) 10/* Hello, world! in Chef */ < 1600497098 136734 :olsner!~salparot@c80-217-180-83.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600497369 507457 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1600497925 399348 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600498200 971074 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600499406 922360 :oren!~oren@ec2-18-234-164-48.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600500566 705198 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1600501148 981470 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1600502948 944824 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600503103 881610 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600505022 98585 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600509409 637781 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600509605 223524 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600510947 18066 :lgkmkd!62a5a2e9@ip98-165-162-233.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600511022 833017 :lgkmkd!62a5a2e9@ip98-165-162-233.ph.ph.cox.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600512414 717097 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600512716 51407 :olsner!~salparot@c83-249-186-43.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1600515326 90950 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600515583 382134 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1600518722 943507 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1600520351 276933 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1600520368 969805 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:SunnyMoon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77585&oldid=77552 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+39) 102DF! (I will not swear) < 1600520403 524241 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1600520411 873655 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600520421 908151 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600521825 873247 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos JOIN :#esoteric < 1600521914 65809 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: i asked the question on codidact https://math.codidact.com/questions/278140 < 1600524569 453916 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600525215 114741 :ThaEwat!bca32236@188.163.34.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600526303 140067 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1600526464 394034 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos QUIT :Quit: quit < 1600530175 857611 :ThaEwat!bca32236@188.163.34.54 PART :#esoteric < 1600530405 640898 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1600534457 597792 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Jumpmin14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77586&oldid=74205 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+505) 10/* 3 Command Minimalization */ new section > 1600534482 843940 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Jumpmin14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77587&oldid=77586 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+100) 10 < 1600535551 385228 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600535713 991034 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1600535714 451624 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1600536135 513020 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainForth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77588&oldid=77581 5* 03Binarycat 5* (+237) 10 < 1600536402 98156 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1600536491 690079 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600537067 25271 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600537828 910370 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DFuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77589 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+4654) 10Welcome to the wiki! (I don't want to say your name :( ) > 1600537931 791671 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DF14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77590 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+20) 10For the people who do not like to swear. > 1600537989 733056 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:SunnyMoon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77591&oldid=77585 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-40) 10Article is created! > 1600538062 105538 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77592&oldid=77504 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+13) 102DF! (I will not swear) > 1600538172 990240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77593&oldid=77506 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+176) 102DF! (I will not swear) > 1600538189 908215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Jumpmin14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77594&oldid=77587 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (-93) 10/* 3 Command Minimalization */ > 1600538213 28614 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Jumpmin14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77595&oldid=77594 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (-6) 10/* 4 Command Minimalization */ > 1600539244 157110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Jumpmin14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77596&oldid=77595 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+77) 10/* 4 Command Minimalization */ > 1600539269 146049 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Jumpmin14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77597&oldid=77596 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (-3) 10/* 3 Command Minimalization */ < 1600543067 535701 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1600544330 675970 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Modulous14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77598&oldid=77455 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (+175) 10 > 1600544447 925899 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Modulous14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77599&oldid=77598 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (-108) 10 < 1600546656 181154 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1600546683 143272 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600547699 311563 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to count how many columns there are in an alignment in TeX, you can write: \global\mscount=0 \setbox0=\vbox{\halign{&\gobble{##}\global\advance\mscount by 1 \cr#2\cr}} if #2 contains one row of stuff, and \gobble is defined as \def\gobble#1{} < 1600553020 251522 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :54595 operations, 1305267ns total execution time, yields (not exactly) 23.908ns per operation. < 1600553084 806121 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about as low as we go. < 1600555911 679707 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :being purely symbolic really does hurt performance. < 1600555949 23117 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1600556430 431833 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fuckmap14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77600 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+1096) 10Created page with "'''Fuckmap''' is an esolang created by ~~~, it is a derivative of [[brainfuck]] where the commands are remapped to different chars every time a command is read ==commands== {..." < 1600557127 68521 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :2us to increment 5 18-bit numbers with all 1's with rewrite rules. < 1600557158 510345 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.8us, actually. with 370 rewrite steps taken, that's about 8ns per rewrite. < 1600557187 632476 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :569.2ns per number. > 1600557391 35385 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fuckmap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77601&oldid=77600 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+332) 10 > 1600557462 709734 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fuckmap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77602&oldid=77601 5* 03Aspwil 5* (-2) 10 > 1600557510 225467 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fuckmap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77603&oldid=77602 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+1) 10 > 1600557646 683702 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fuckmap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77604&oldid=77603 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+28) 10 < 1600559365 214231 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600560297 318911 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fuckmap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77605&oldid=77604 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+1302) 10 > 1600560442 687417 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fuckmap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77606&oldid=77605 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+115) 10 > 1600560579 175897 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fuckmap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77607&oldid=77606 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+4) 10 < 1600560642 342114 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1600560996 902895 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fuckmap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77608&oldid=77607 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+36) 10 < 1600561523 400869 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1600561547 581527 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fuckmap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77609&oldid=77608 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+146) 10 > 1600561775 168551 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fuckmap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77610&oldid=77609 5* 03Aspwil 5* (-18) 10 > 1600562216 851220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fuckmap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77611&oldid=77610 5* 03Aspwil 5* (-4) 10 > 1600562529 686336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[073x14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77612 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+1020) 10Created page with "'''3x''' is a stack-based esolang. It is inspired mainly by [[1+]] in that 3 is the only literal. Stack items can be any rational number. == Commands == {| class="wikitable" |..." < 1600563366 553900 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600564109 861466 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Aspwil 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Fuckmap-map update example.jpg10]]": an example of a map update for a single char in mapfuck < 1600564212 520745 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can't beat good ol' imperative programming. > 1600568988 43688 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mapfuck 2 turring boogaloo14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77614 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+323) 10Created page with "'''Mapfuck 2 turring boogaloo''' is a derivitive of the original [[mapfuck]] programing language with a single difference every time the map updates it updates twice first fr..." > 1600569037 231271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fuckmap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77615&oldid=77611 5* 03Aspwil 5* (-3036) 10Blanked the page > 1600569054 246725 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mapfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77616 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+3037) 10Created page with "'''MapFuck''' is an esolang created by [[User:Aspwil|Aspwil]] ([[User talk:Aspwil|talk]]), it is a derivative of [[brainfuck]] where the commands are remapped to different cha..." > 1600569133 800851 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mapfuck 2 turring boogaloo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77617&oldid=77614 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+61) 10 > 1600569603 178659 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77618&oldid=77592 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+47) 10/* M */ added map fuck and map fuck 2 < 1600569796 37343 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600569806 6427 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello? < 1600569815 425499 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here? < 1600570255 23382 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1600571240 223893 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fuckmap14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77619&oldid=77615 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+21) 10Redirecting to new page > 1600571437 590214 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77620&oldid=77618 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+9) 10 > 1600571742 634497 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mapfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77621&oldid=77616 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+0) 10name of language < 1600574110 348091 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a shortcut sign for a complementary angle (rather than just writing 90 degrees minus theta, or a similar thing like that)? > 1600578696 769375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Poetic14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77622 5* 03JWinslow23 5* (+5596) 10Added page for Poetic < 1600578806 312307 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600578852 429579 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1600578888 133496 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1600578956 589096 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Poetic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77623&oldid=77622 5* 03JWinslow23 5* (+1) 10Corrected typo < 1600579898 541321 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) > 1600580130 953373 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77624&oldid=77555 5* 03JWinslow23 5* (+210) 10Added Poetic truth machine > 1600580163 690884 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77625&oldid=77624 5* 03JWinslow23 5* (+1) 10whoopsie > 1600580364 544344 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77626&oldid=77593 5* 03JWinslow23 5* (+506) 10Added Poetic "Hello World" < 1600589385 748563 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600589463 917252 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1600589538 147508 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77627&oldid=77589 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-5) 10Instruction pointer is memory pointer > 1600589839 5011 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072D BF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77628&oldid=65110 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+28) 102DF and bullet points. > 1600590862 214903 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77629&oldid=77627 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+108) 10Forgot to categorize. < 1600592274 83363 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600595008 608755 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600595887 897370 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600601873 410240 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1600602595 287596 :Cale!~cale@99.253.130.57 JOIN :#esoteric > 1600602991 297047 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:HDWithZeroes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77630&oldid=76914 5* 03HDWithZeroes 5* (+51) 10 > 1600603068 126035 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:HDWithZeroes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77631&oldid=77630 5* 03HDWithZeroes 5* (+22) 10 > 1600608954 732779 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Rzed786 5* 10New user account > 1600609101 249816 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77632&oldid=77579 5* 03Rzed786 5* (+29) 10/* Introductions */ > 1600610107 971358 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fear14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77633 5* 03Rzed786 5* (+814) 10Created page with "'''Fear''' is an esoteric programming language that gives you esolangaphobia. It has five instructions: i, o, +, - and j. == Instructions == It has one variable. i takes inpu..." > 1600610415 704533 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77634&oldid=77629 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+6) 10Added a more understandable example. > 1600610444 664340 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77635&oldid=77634 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+1) 10Oh no! Forgot to codify the code! > 1600610509 597896 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fear14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77636&oldid=77633 5* 03Rzed786 5* (-67) 10 > 1600610844 479654 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77637&oldid=77625 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+106) 102DF! > 1600610929 785170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fear14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77638&oldid=77636 5* 03Rzed786 5* (+32) 10 < 1600613440 489650 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600613685 273159 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1600614446 1264 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600622093 197324 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600622210 524952 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1600622210 922803 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1600622627 162630 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1600623649 896300 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1600623669 21362 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600624342 969965 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1600625099 630839 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600626621 960790 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mapfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77639&oldid=77621 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+5989) 10 > 1600626693 355216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mapfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77640&oldid=77639 5* 03Aspwil 5* (-1382) 10removed an example section (replaced with a better section for same purpose in last update) > 1600626771 218573 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mapfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77641&oldid=77640 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+70) 10 > 1600626783 438509 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mapfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77642&oldid=77641 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+2) 10 > 1600626815 560370 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mapfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77643&oldid=77642 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+28) 10 > 1600626861 775799 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mapfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77644&oldid=77643 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+0) 10 > 1600626906 764949 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mapfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77645&oldid=77644 5* 03Aspwil 5* (-28) 10 < 1600629072 213272 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: ... < 1600629427 220689 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1600630864 647650 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Conveyer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77646&oldid=77177 5* 03Abbin21 5* (+935) 10 > 1600630896 459754 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Conveyer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77647&oldid=77646 5* 03Abbin21 5* (+1) 10 > 1600633044 36837 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sabdt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77648&oldid=77509 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+5) 10 > 1600633290 623566 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Napen123 5* 10New user account > 1600633536 352376 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77649&oldid=77632 5* 03Napen123 5* (+183) 10/* Introductions */ > 1600635460 197279 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mapfuck 2 turring boogaloo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77650&oldid=77617 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+300) 10 > 1600635517 664419 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Aspwil 5* 10moved [[02Mapfuck 2 turring boogaloo10]] to [[Mapfuck 2: Turing Boogaloo]]: mispelling of turing < 1600635897 987518 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600635908 39881 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600635920 709072 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello is this place active? < 1600635990 358587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, but pretty rarely. < 1600635998 409049 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1600636046 671173 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im working on an esolang but im not sure what computatinal class it would fall into (im trying to figure it out) any suggestions < 1600636119 63348 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is any piece of code can be read and executed. but when ever i try to logic on what program to use to do something i cant seem to find a way though it < 1600636173 90251 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when ever you change, add or remove a character what each character does changes in hard to predixt ways < 1600636178 970720 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when ever you change, add or remove a character what each character does changes in hard to predidt ways < 1600636384 620679 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its mapfuck 2: turing boogaloo (the page is still being worked on) < 1600636494 620373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't think there's really any general-purpose advice for that. What people usually do is try to find the simplest-seeming language that's known to be in the class they're interested in (BCT is pretty popular for TC proofs), and try to figure out how to translate (and/or interpret) programs of that language into it, because that shows it's at least that powerful. < 1600636718 411421 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that not really an option, since i cant really figure out how to even make a simple program do what i want, since everything is so volitile < 1600636761 326049 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant program in it < 1600636787 430513 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of BCT, are there any actual examples of doing useful things like arithmetic in it. < 1600636802 611348 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that I'm bigbrained enough for that. < 1600636852 212139 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure if programing (aka taking an instruction set and making a corisponding program to do that instruction set) if even possible unless by random testing of programs untill you find the right one < 1600636873 62221 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is even possible < 1600636905 265932 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1600636923 943900 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome < 1600637029 842756 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im also very bad at explaining why its so hard, be cause its so complex > 1600637247 471393 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jdsj llop llvm 5* 10New user account > 1600637566 438162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77653&oldid=77649 5* 03Jdsj llop llvm 5* (+184) 10add intro > 1600637641 961326 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Jdsj llop llvm14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77654 5* 03Jdsj llop llvm 5* (+48) 10Make user page < 1600637962 741861 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this list changes to the wiki in real time? > 1600638098 889911 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Mapfuck 2: Turing Boogaloo14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77655&oldid=77651 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+794) 10 < 1600638136 394212 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really shold update the page more but ithink people could understand it if they read the refrenced page > 1600639982 918919 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Binary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77656&oldid=72174 5* 03Napen123 5* (+98) 10Add link to rust interpreter < 1600640558 503445 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600644671 156359 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600645212 162209 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600645780 727362 :aspwil!4962eceb@c-73-98-236-235.hsd1.ut.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600647146 507862 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600651673 746295 :d3m0nm4dn3ss!~matthew@199.58.80.194 JOIN :#esoteric > 1600654953 129922 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tetrapyronia14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77657&oldid=77547 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (-1530) 10Replaced content with "hey it's me :)
things i did: * [[3x]]" < 1600658337 496276 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600658392 244757 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600660903 240931 :d3m0nm4dn3ss!~matthew@199.58.80.194 QUIT :Quit: everestfox@xmpp.jp < 1600665272 150153 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600665294 77952 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600665353 704308 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1600665398 919176 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600665904 171353 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1600669190 313406 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1600672250 151809 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1600673642 892416 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600675753 196121 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600675863 857258 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600676823 809094 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600676924 131378 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600678238 249690 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1600678972 320449 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.93.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600684469 330500 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.6.6+deb1ubuntu0.2 - http://znc.in < 1600687675 129507 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.93.20 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1600689771 650793 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1600689815 935503 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL that Pokemon Yellow has a pretty good official Korean translated version. And I also learned what the trick is that makes it possible. < 1600689848 688312 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trick is that that version is GBC only. < 1600689961 160396 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :because more RAM? < 1600690154 178997 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1600690349 541780 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luciole: more like because faster CPU, but both < 1600690366 883396 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the RAM is needed too < 1600690371 721585 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks amazing as well < 1600691541 472663 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1600691556 897021 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600691604 761669 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once stayed at a relative's house where they had a multicart with a Chinese version of Gold (bootleg obviously) < 1600691624 842449 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*visited < 1600691981 456878 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600696509 897362 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-248-204.host.pobb.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600696555 996264 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600697517 699159 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric > 1600697736 511410 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Segreq14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77658 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+473) 10/* Random Number Generation and Banned Polynomials */ new section < 1600698787 425567 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600698804 594641 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1215 < 1600698806 192349 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1215.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1600700281 980982 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600702561 373857 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1600703856 89372 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-65-248-204.host.pobb.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1600704283 281516 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600704403 751874 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600704553 676424 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1600704571 779115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tetrapyronia14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77659&oldid=77657 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+348) 10 < 1600704628 586901 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600707477 654863 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600708345 739071 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600708645 422843 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600708659 75806 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600708727 128517 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1600709764 997408 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1600710167 714317 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://math.codidact.com/questions/278140 nice you got an answer < 1600710172 312980 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by derek elkins too > 1600710534 317825 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:3var14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77660&oldid=52330 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+1494) 10/* Semantics of f and F? */ new section > 1600710738 483441 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Quelklef14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77661 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+109) 10Created page with "I like programming languages. I've built one esolang so far, [[3.725254969642999e-321]]. I plan to make more." > 1600710799 449735 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Quelklef14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77662&oldid=77661 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+72) 10 < 1600710968 79488 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow is there just 2 questions on the site < 1600711081 416917 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2085545.html < 1600711469 336756 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600711583 834851 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600711628 837898 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1600713238 923779 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1600715570 915882 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:3var14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77663&oldid=77660 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+563) 10/* What is the Datatype? Integer, Fraction, Floating-Point? */ new section > 1600715581 293055 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:3var14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77664&oldid=77663 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+88) 10 < 1600721322 400721 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:7579:cc3:1414:8209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600721768 49208 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600724113 365141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FizzBuzz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77665&oldid=71901 5* 03Amb 5* (+0) 10alphabetical order > 1600724683 835939 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FizzBuzz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77666&oldid=77665 5* 03Amb 5* (+904) 10added Thue < 1600725120 330840 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:7579:cc3:1414:8209 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1600725193 489430 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1600725988 906986 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Triad14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77667 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+2821) 10Created page with "''triad'' is a language created by [[User:Quelklef]] based heavily off of [[3var]] but with the goal of being cleaner and having a more precise spec. Execution of ''triad'' ha..." > 1600726193 139888 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Triad14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77668&oldid=77667 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+135) 10 < 1600726195 246651 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1600726268 205616 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1600726280 902055 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1600726348 472974 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Quelklef14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77669&oldid=77662 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+194) 10 < 1600726369 230718 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600727399 651129 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600727441 66968 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1600728307 70661 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77670&oldid=77620 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+12) 10Add language Triad < 1600729925 185050 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600730847 122549 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Interstack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77671&oldid=74711 5* 03Napen123 5* (+102) 10Add link to rust interpreter < 1600731923 668775 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600732575 255327 :adu_!~arobbins@201.sub-174-192-194.myvzw.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1600732612 965174 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600732613 218098 :adu_!~arobbins@201.sub-174-192-194.myvzw.com NICK :adu < 1600733328 706993 :adu_!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600733381 904474 :adu_!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1600733425 285444 :adu!~arobbins@201.sub-174-192-194.myvzw.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600734904 90311 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600736771 529938 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600737255 788669 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FizzBuzz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77672&oldid=77666 5* 03JonoCode9374 5* (+49) 10 > 1600737381 357395 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tetrapyronia14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77673&oldid=77659 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (-348) 10 < 1600738526 38957 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600738598 919214 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1600741459 206413 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1600741529 97541 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600743506 677795 :hakatashi1!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600743734 976003 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600744195 529995 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1600744321 591356 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600744905 387366 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm on the verge of having a "production" thue. with builtins I can access the outside world and perform syscalls, and I can generate either C or assembly. average rewrite speed is 6 to 12ns. < 1600746120 439150 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1600746969 415513 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600749624 636889 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1600751823 45240 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600751958 932182 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600751958 932285 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1600755563 317340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600758724 599524 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1600758982 560322 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1600759364 966987 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Triad14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77674&oldid=77668 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+74) 10 < 1600761178 196276 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1600762182 216759 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600762283 814658 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600762590 934305 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot > 1600762914 770223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Flurry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77675&oldid=70895 5* 03Bubbler 5* (+475) 10 < 1600763539 704505 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1600763871 919425 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600765375 592512 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600766277 360407 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Flurry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77676&oldid=77675 5* 03Bubbler 5* (+178) 10 < 1600770764 709881 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.118 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1600772884 272567 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600773181 553757 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600775736 629928 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-13.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600775762 891485 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.118 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1600777723 549390 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1600778639 144989 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600778826 548239 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-13.soborka.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1600779544 624987 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600779603 815807 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600779874 5768 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600780305 501826 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600780414 934475 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600780438 996766 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1600780824 258234 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-13.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600780889 823420 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-13.soborka.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1600781360 680041 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1600781641 380877 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600782683 694840 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600783723 594172 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any image editors which operate on complex-valued colors? < 1600783813 493483 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1600783816 425633 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course one would need to take a real part, an imaginary part, or an absolute value to get an image which can be displayed, but OTOH this setup will allow interesting layer modes and something like interference < 1600783861 181144 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe there are filters in normal image editors that do something treating pairs of channels as a complex number < 1600783878 689594 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also one would be able to do FFT correctly, maybe play with phases in frequency domain and then make inverse FFT and see what it did to the image < 1600783911 275171 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : but maybe there are filters in normal image editors that do something treating pairs of channels as a complex number => this would be nice! < 1600783932 893469 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in the present GIMP version there’s none but I’ll be happy to be mistaken < 1600783993 173572 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nice morniveninghternoon everyone < 1600784054 1019 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, but there is a slight mismatch, in that colours have three parts where complex numbers have only two < 1600784069 737050 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there, uh, triplex numbers of some sort < 1600784076 61658 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1600784149 653815 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe quaternions and then you drop one of the parts? < 1600784168 978310 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you can ignore one channels, or use something like ImageMagick 7 that can handle 2 or 4 channels < 1600784283 653127 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :transparency adds an extra channel < 1600784312 180377 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can handle 5 channels too < 1600784323 519431 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular there are operations that work on CYMKA images < 1600784378 193543 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1600784386 792937 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok, i have no idea how to do anything with quaternions anyway < 1600784511 752152 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : interesting, but there is a slight mismatch, in that colours have three parts where complex numbers have only two => I suggest complexifying the color space, so there would be six channels in general < 1600784612 805864 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :quaternions might be interesting too, though one should consider using something like CIE L*a*b* to map to them, as we’d want the quaternion norm to mean something nice like the color difference estimate, ΔE or how it’s called < 1600784686 60275 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I considered complex numbers mainly because they “allow interference” and more or less because of FFT too < 1600784708 903392 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you absolutely get a complexification of your starting space < 1600785071 310566 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#complex <-- I don't really know what it does, but this mentions conjugate and real-imaginary < 1600785858 572205 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.118 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1600788225 972249 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600789246 127623 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600790378 449355 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.69.118 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1600790580 190643 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arcorann_ oh, really mysterious switch. I couldn’t find anything about it too! < 1600790580 437265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1600790985 300402 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/ansible.staff.relrod QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1600790999 404943 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sploosh14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77677 5* 03Star651 5* (+7935) 10They're coming to tape up the fence. < 1600791273 607747 :relrod!~relrod@origin.elrod.me JOIN :#esoteric < 1600791275 776931 :relrod!~relrod@origin.elrod.me QUIT :Changing host < 1600791275 776974 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/ansible.staff.relrod JOIN :#esoteric < 1600791776 942875 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just realized for matrices (A+B)^n = AAAAAA+AAAABA+ABABAABA+BABABA+... < 1600792083 3915 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1600792631 857837 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600792637 677892 :voidio!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1600793886 537710 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat JOIN :#esoteric < 1600795092 838575 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600795159 698560 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain1: yeah, the sum of all possible products of A and B of n factors < 1600795183 807986 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they should all have the same length!!!!1 < 1600795190 855526 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600795195 135822 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABABAABA creeped me out too < 1600795260 171823 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all the lengths, one can take (1 − (A + B))^−1: 1 + A + B + AA + AB + BA + BB + AAA + … < 1600795264 52885 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1600795353 700986 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :a shame x ↦ 1/(1 − x) has no widespread short notation. Except maybe x* in a couple of cases < 1600795464 178301 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/(1-x) is very compact already < 1600795467 478642 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( (List sin) t = 1 + sin t + (sin t)² + (sin t)³ + … ) < 1600795479 190737 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1600795483 378205 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheheh < 1600795492 928648 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not serious with List < 1600795516 114812 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not t + sin t + sin (sin t) + sin (sin (sin t)) + ... < 1600795521 23141 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that’s a lot less intuitive than what I actually propose, [sin] t < 1600795530 754640 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: depends on the semiring! < 1600795559 709474 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin isn't linear ;) < 1600795570 99914 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should it? < 1600795587 426486 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't get a semiring < 1600795606 399647 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...where multiplication is composition. < 1600795606 399739 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I used a semiring of functions with a argumentwise + and × < 1600795615 366479 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: aah < 1600795627 352068 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes we should name that thing some other way then < 1600795638 491051 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I know what you did, but I focussed on what I did :P < 1600795645 584695 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1600795654 984440 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that’s only right < 1600795687 473412 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what would come of a semiring without distributivity? It’s the only reason we call something ring-like… < 1600795762 789362 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, at least composition distributes from the left: (f + g) ∘ h = f ∘ h + g ∘ h < 1600795777 691609 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that’s often enough < 1600795827 651278 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600795831 991000 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :may I say again this channel is the best < 1600795871 438279 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600795952 865569 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: There's a whole mess even when you demand that the multiplication is bilinear: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-associative_algebra < 1600795979 631955 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there's a concept of a(n associative) left algebra somewhere? < 1600796047 486220 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was shown a silly conversation screenshoot involving Pythagorean theorem and then noticed it doesn’t imply euclidean structure as I thought, but is universal for quadratic spaces < 1600796087 748631 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-associative algebras aren’t my favorite, yeah < 1600796201 765081 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I barely know that they're a thing. < 1600796208 179406 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your loss ;) < 1600796264 704491 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe there's a concept of a(n associative) left algebra somewhere? => hmm maybe that’s useful in those module studies, when the ring of scalars is very bad so even usual “two-sided” algebras don’t arise? < 1600796308 34528 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : I barely know that they're a thing. => but how about many Lie algebras like 3D vectors with cross product? < 1600796344 422775 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not for those things, I’d forgot about non-unital non-assoc algebras with a light heart < 1600796368 326164 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/forgot/let myself forget < 1600796378 552217 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "like cross product" is all I know about Lie algebras. < 1600796386 945139 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too, almost < 1600796416 931870 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know they can be logarithmed to Lie algebras :-| < 1600796430 235245 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any Truth algebras... < 1600796446 930692 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :boolean algebras aren’t the Truth? < 1600796454 734419 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(weak pun, but it had to be done) < 1600796479 134875 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boolean algebras are ambivalent. < 1600796493 363870 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-dual, and all that < 1600796502 625976 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you never know what is true and what is false. < 1600796546 924883 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like real life. < 1600796586 233246 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :what’s fun there’s also a weak pun in Russian which conflates “алгебра Ли” (Lie algebra) with “алгебра ли” ( an algebra), like “это алгебра ли” “is this really an algebra” < 1600796644 782823 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : So you never know what is true and what is false. => then maybe Heyting algebras? < 1600796862 949995 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm can we try to factor the set of all these by all the Boolean algebras?.. seems ill-defined < 1600797346 335225 :voidio!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid NICK :iovoid > 1600797849 741838 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77678&oldid=77670 5* 03Star651 5* (+14) 10adding Sploosh > 1600798574 564035 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Infinifuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77679 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+361) 10Created page with "''infinifuck'' is a [[brainfuck]] derivative. It is exactly equivalent to brainfuck, except for the following differences and/or clarifications: # Cells are unbounded integer..." > 1600798678 520993 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Infinifuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77680&oldid=77679 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+110) 10 > 1600798691 935868 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77681&oldid=77678 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+17) 10 < 1600799503 76556 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1600799709 184081 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Infinifuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77682&oldid=77680 5* 03Star651 5* (+41) 10languages and 2020 category > 1600800627 972372 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Infinifuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77683&oldid=77682 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+181) 10 > 1600801302 782902 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Infinifuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77684&oldid=77683 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+4) 10 > 1600801340 453310 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Quelklef14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77685&oldid=77669 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+125) 10 > 1600801352 897651 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Quelklef14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77686&oldid=77685 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+10) 10 > 1600801365 573355 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Quelklef14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77687&oldid=77686 5* 03Quelklef 5* (-5) 10 < 1600803425 78731 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :if hyperbola would be compact, then we’d have another constant like π < 1600803535 655914 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :as π stems from SO(2, 0, R) related to circle, and hyperbola is related to SO(1, 1, R) not isomorphic to SO(2), so if in that impossible case these groups wouldn’t be isomorphic too, then the second one would probably give us a new π′ ≠ π < 1600803606 964827 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is a way to make sense of this compact hyperbola, I would be shocked and delighted > 1600803729 39525 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Marthue14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77688 5* 03Yoel 5* (+4272) 10Created page with "Marthue is a generalization of both semi-Thue systems and Markov algorithms, posted by Yoel Matveyev on Github in June 2020. The language includes basic input/output, forward,..." > 1600803872 759879 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Marthue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77689&oldid=77688 5* 03Yoel 5* (+44) 10 > 1600803899 502354 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Marthue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77690&oldid=77689 5* 03Yoel 5* (-1) 10/* See also */ > 1600803953 819890 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Marthue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77691&oldid=77690 5* 03Yoel 5* (+10) 10 > 1600804086 205370 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Marthue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77692&oldid=77691 5* 03Yoel 5* (-1) 10 < 1600804113 419784 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1600804220 574687 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Marthue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77693&oldid=77692 5* 03Yoel 5* (+139) 10 < 1600804254 633811 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1600804554 373258 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Marthue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77694&oldid=77693 5* 03Yoel 5* (+0) 10 > 1600806181 179956 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Conveyer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77695&oldid=77647 5* 03Abbin21 5* (-4) 10/* Math */ < 1600807866 36868 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric > 1600808503 838295 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Infinifuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77696&oldid=77684 5* 03Quelklef 5* (+67) 10 < 1600812283 42259 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jqgsrnowfujwlgxj QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600812464 992094 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tppirwslmjxiosbo JOIN :#esoteric < 1600814896 294720 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600815051 175659 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Infinifuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77697&oldid=77696 5* 03Quelklef 5* (-10) 10 < 1600815465 548882 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1600816282 898599 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 031hals 5* 10New user account > 1600816588 843548 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77698&oldid=77653 5* 031hals 5* (+259) 10Introduced myself < 1600816844 112316 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1600817335 738519 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Prefix notation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77699&oldid=69402 5* 031hals 5* (+259) 10Added more explanation, an example, and a new category > 1600817409 131352 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Category:Operator notations14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77700 5* 031hals 5* (+44) 10Created category > 1600817443 780942 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Postfix notation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77701&oldid=69400 5* 031hals 5* (+32) 10Added operator notation category > 1600817491 316499 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Surround notation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77702&oldid=67588 5* 031hals 5* (+32) 10Added Category:Operator_notations > 1600817522 837467 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Anyfix notation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77703&oldid=67591 5* 031hals 5* (+32) 10Added Category:Operator_notations > 1600817590 930880 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Infix notation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77704&oldid=67592 5* 031hals 5* (+32) 10Added Category:Operator_notations < 1600817878 452301 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1600819637 252047 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1600820025 107877 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:1hals14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77705 5* 031hals 5* (+214) 10create > 1600820053 339314 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:1hals14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77706 5* 031hals 5* (+81) 10Create < 1600827590 842847 :wmww1!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ecfmrvvpmtdcgzgc JOIN :#esoteric < 1600827671 816895 :myndzl!myndzi@tetrisguide.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1600828053 577542 :wmww!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xhwcudtxxaisaujr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1600828054 275087 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com QUIT :*.net *.split > 1600828443 327580 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77707 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+7381) 10Create the incomplete page. < 1600831230 685112 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600831257 372023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600831608 287291 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600835764 560632 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1600837750 755752 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77708&oldid=77707 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+33) 10Tweak @ > 1600837934 541417 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77709&oldid=77708 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-79) 10Remove - > 1600837995 66324 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77710&oldid=77709 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+79) 10Undo revision 77709 by [[Special:Contributions/RocketRace|RocketRace]] ([[User talk:RocketRace|talk]]) < 1600838287 145332 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600838350 676784 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1600838368 167035 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1600839497 619518 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77711&oldid=77710 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-1) 10Typo < 1600839882 716588 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Excess Flood < 1600839899 630095 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1600843145 146460 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1600844115 830510 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600845455 3596 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It look like troff uses B-spline, while PostScript uses Bezier instead. Can you convert between then, and if so, how? < 1600845700 819622 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1600848649 110523 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600848783 847300 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600850419 44802 :skiwaaaaa!c1219488@193.33.148.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600850540 580819 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1600850771 346116 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600851223 203727 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1600851830 5002 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1600854640 614963 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :given an inner product space V over K, there is a “fool’s paravector algebra” which you get from K ⊕ V by defining (s1, v1) (s2, v2) := (s1 s2 + v1 ⋅ v2, s1 v2 + s2 v1), i. e. multiplying scalars and vectors in a natural manner (using the inner product for vectors). I named it a fool’s because it’s non-associative. But at least it has unity lifted from K < 1600854672 688808 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this algebra may be a stepping stone to get to a Clifford algebra over the same inner product space < 1600854685 24685 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :didactically < 1600854749 98773 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yet another non-associative algebra ^ < 1600854795 667288 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think about silly mathematical ideas that don’t play out in the long run? < 1600854795 968839 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: that is a winner's attitude, and there is no particularly good human translation for this concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear concept. a concept usually denoted by a single, linear c < 1600854816 928302 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky < 1600854848 882091 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is this attitude long-lasting? < 1600854849 47299 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: you really wish your side. it's just a wrapper for your private reading material later might happen sooner than you think it's time you shift in our attention. < 1600854878 558311 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1600854878 665326 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck* ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube < 1600854886 230907 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you associate well with others? < 1600854886 352435 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it just doesn't feel secure the matriorb and hatch a new mother has any shit they want to scrape off their bulge on to a particular type of three-way relationship of a black president < 1600854890 355759 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn’t thought < 1600854924 524256 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :associativity is just commutativity of left multiplication and right multiplication :-P < 1600854948 164406 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me wrap my head around it < 1600854960 738106 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1600855003 3229 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually think about associativity as allowing us to multiply nonempty lists < 1600855007 539518 :skiwaaaaa!c1219488@193.33.148.136 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600855035 532136 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :internalizing inductive inferences, intriguing. < 1600855045 956152 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that `mappend` in Haskell’s Monoid or what it’s called for Semigroup < 1600855104 500276 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :then of course neutral element allows us multiply an empty list and commutativity to swap lists with multisets < 1600855108 334183 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Semigroup.sconcat < 1600855109 985028 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Semigroup a => NE.NonEmpty a -> a < 1600855118 891860 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :sconcat, really? :\ < 1600855123 751184 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1600855130 453410 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that’s a bit hilarious < 1600855131 310007 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just want stimes < 1600855140 411345 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1600855149 80950 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t stimes < 1600855150 717874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: Variable not in scope: stimes < 1600855150 840030 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's just <>. < 1600855175 847178 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I remember the operation is <> < 1600855176 364842 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not thinking clearly (yet?). < 1600855218 82922 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like NonEmpty all that much :-/ < 1600855222 965220 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I underslept but for a while I feel more or less comfortable as if that didn’t happen < 1600855231 176272 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could we do instead of NonEmpty? < 1600855264 46275 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely its name is unwieldily long < 1600855271 252867 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does that even come from... < 1600855309 718247 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ghci tells me it's defined in GHC.Base... but surely it's reexported from somewhere?) < 1600855321 812657 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t remember its constructor and that other function to cons to another NonEmpty < 1600855338 738324 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it just something internal for list fusion, hmm. Maybe. < 1600855343 994643 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Data.List.NonEmpty? Does Data.NonEmpty exist? < 1600855353 844743 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1600855361 49212 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1600855379 75252 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :data NonEmpty a = a :| [a] < 1600855391 352571 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it’s a real proposed way to make `tail` and `head` total < 1600855417 756682 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :but :| is kinda emoting its way through < 1600855419 766446 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I mix empty and non-empty lists all the time. < 1600855449 534155 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (:<) < 1600855451 662614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cons b b a a => a -> b -> b < 1600855456 423519 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :wha < 1600855474 209398 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (:>) < 1600855475 935051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snoc a a b b => a -> b -> a < 1600855504 391059 :olsner!~salparot@c83-249-186-43.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600855521 970978 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (:< []) < 1600855523 748212 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> [a] < 1600855551 797735 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I hoped there is an instance for NonEmpty, or is this just a default < 1600855601 60952 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would overlap < 1600855626 603272 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in an incoherent way even) < 1600855650 520282 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the absence of subtypes I don't think NonEmpty carries its weight. < 1600855669 988840 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But obviously others disagree. < 1600855696 110218 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn’t seen it all that much though < 1600855698 848497 :olsner!~salparot@c83-249-186-43.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1600855723 102326 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should read less old blog posts < 1600855827 807526 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to advocate NE to a friend who wasn’t satisfied with `head` and `tail`’s untotality, and they even said hm but maybe NE is a lost cause after all < 1600855872 648586 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/but/, but < 1600855920 532820 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's probably a good thing that we don't have subtyping in Haskell... otherwise we'd be dealing with a plethora of subtypes of questionable utility, as everybody and their dogs expresses their personal pet properties of results in the type system... because it can't hurt because you can always cast to the base type, right?) < 1600855970 520140 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600856146 773651 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame it’s so hard to get yourself a free microtunable grand piano plugin. There are several pretty nice SFZs, and SFZs are playable by sforzando, but it allows only 12-notes-per-octave tunings, and IIRC even not all of them for that matter. So if one wants to write in 19edo, they would need to use 12-note modes and several sforzando instances, or hopefully it can be retuned on the fly, I don’t know < 1600856352 75177 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: IIRC subtyping would make things even worse but I don’t remember how specifically. Maybe ais523 was the one who said something in this vein here, though that’s not an unknown in the world, it’s just I don’t remember any other possible sources. So ping < 1600856635 8725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600856653 804881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my experience with subtyping is that it isn't necessarily harmful to the rest of the type system, but people keep trying to use it for things that it isn't appropriate for < 1600856655 102738 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've assumed an ideal world where subtyping just works... ignoring type checking and type inference. I think things would go wrong from a pure software engineering perspective at large, because people will never agree on which properties are important to express in the type system. < 1600856673 301297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on most occasions where people assume that their problem will be solved with subtyping, they're incorrect < 1600856698 632756 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it'll work deceptively well on a small scale though. < 1600856717 239598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how much harder it makes type inference, it generally hasn't been fatal in the examples I've tried, but you can write papers out of getting it to work < 1600856889 58820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subtyping seems deceptively complicated. < 1600856899 250233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand it. < 1600856937 706747 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's, like, both the type of bread, and the main filling, and all the extras you can get like lettuce and red onion < 1600857073 653004 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: All I wanted was a burger, why are things so complicated. < 1600857099 464846 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: burger types tend to be fairly different from sub types < 1600857115 485047 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1600857120 940445 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the pun there, my bad. < 1600857127 466610 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The description was generic enough :P < 1600857132 457235 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1600857139 809277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lack of subtyping can be really annoying when it affects a program you're writing < 1600857168 928550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find that you ever have to write a recursive version of the identity function, that's something of a giveaway < 1600857196 450460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: At least you didn't miss the bun? < 1600857233 861909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want to do a spot of the SMT, what theory should I use? < 1600857234 228810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most cases, subtyping can be thought of as "if I put a recursive identity function here, everything will suddenly typecheck" < 1600857234 473253 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's the one redeeming feature of Data.List.NonEmpty.NonEmpty... the conversion is not recursive. < 1600857258 172698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least when it comes to sum and product types < 1600857295 230376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably also for base types with subtypes, as long as the conversion is either implicit, or can be done manually in your "identity" function < 1600857355 32038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do SMT solvers want o have backtrackable union-find? < 1600857357 637101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :to < 1600857396 667794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do they do in practice, since persistent union-find doesn't exist? < 1600857428 400884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by "union-find"? < 1600857446 450356 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if you don't do path compression you get something that's backtrackable < 1600857458 994805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's interesting. < 1600857461 42436 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: disjoint set forests < 1600857472 964094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe path compression isn't that important? < 1600857510 294294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It kind of seems like it would be. < 1600857512 477784 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get asymptotically logarithmic time operations then < 1600857537 221580 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of that weird almost constant inverse Ackermann. < 1600857547 943982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"inverse Ackermann" is a new one < 1600857563 245309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even log-log grows too slowly to be really observable as distinct from a constant < 1600857602 998469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that inverse Ackermann just shows up in the analysis of a practical algorithm is pretty great. < 1600857603 732497 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I've still never worked through all of Tarjan's analysis of disjoint set forests. < 1600857615 99772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither have I. I should see how it all actually works at one point. < 1600857617 176526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I think the inverse Ackermann function is primitve recursive even though the regular Ackermann isn't, right? < 1600857641 724229 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, it's basically padding... < 1600857678 803680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think a practical algorithm actually would have inverse Ackermann performance, you'd just pick an arbitrary constant rather than trying to deal with bignums < 1600857716 444850 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well this is an asymptotic cost. < 1600857738 648738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asymptotic costs don't practically matter when you don't reach the point where asymptotic behaviour starts kicking in < 1600857751 373280 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :n operations take O(alpha(n)n) time, where alpha is the inverse Ackermann function. < 1600857757 284309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a polynomial test for primality, nobody uses it because it isn't faster for any numbers we actually want to test for primality < 1600857785 85009 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :disjoint set forests with path compression *are* used. < 1600857828 913360 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree it's rare, but this is a rare case where the asymptotically optimal thing is also very efficient in practice. < 1600857837 34855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm, is the point that the asymptotic behaviour is a simpler way to implement it than just hardcoding alpha(n) to alpha(A(5)) or whatever would be? < 1600857840 264300 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :double rare? < 1600857870 334183 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's emergent. Nobody's computing the inverse Ackermann function. < 1600857936 14803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, the easiest way to implement the inverse Ackermann function would be a fairly short if/else chain < 1600857956 491367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a few entries your computer won't have enough memory to store the input to the function, even if you use bignums < 1600857979 912968 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is theory :P < 1600858022 841873 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/125397/create-the-slowest-growing-function-you-can-in-under-100-bytes <-- relevant < 1600858036 661019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you get logarithmic time without path compression? < 1600858050 466984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess the thing I was thinking to get long chains easily doesn't work. < 1600858139 472737 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You can keep track of the class sizes at the representatives, so you can make the new pointer point to the smaller subclass. < 1600858150 789796 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and that balances the tree < 1600858156 572528 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: recursive identity function is actually a recursive injection? < 1600858230 539346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yes, the point is that the input and output types are different < 1600858234 162449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't just write id x = x < 1600858248 363103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the language supports subtyping < 1600858249 342684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One question is, how much does backtracking matter if your SAT solver is doing many rapid restarts? < 1600858250 794332 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not sure whether this works for the usual rank as well... my intuitive guess is that it does, probably something with Fibonacci numbers, but I have not worked it out. < 1600858262 652369 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be interesting to compare this with μ types, for which usually the approach with explicit wrapping/unwrapping is picked as it’s not as taxing to the programmer as the alternative is to the typechecker < 1600858273 573476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one annoying thing about OCaml is that it has a subtyping operator, but you need to tell it what types are involved < 1600858295 514862 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow < 1600858299 721188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the cases where I've wanted subtyping, those types are often massively complicated and it's easier to write the recursive identity than it is to figure out what types to give the builtin < 1600858465 527651 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh it's powers of 2 even... the induction step is that when you create a tree of rank n+1, you're merging two trees of rank n. So that's at least 2^n+2^n = 2^(n+1) nodes. The base case is a leaf with rank 0. < 1600858519 994518 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ranks do work for keeping the trees balanced. < 1600859152 49056 :skiwa!c1219488@193.33.148.136 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600859164 715094 :skiwa!c1219488@193.33.148.136 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600860127 758432 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600862077 514899 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77712&oldid=77711 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+2194) 10Add the Q station, and consequently Turing completeness > 1600862133 440569 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77713&oldid=77712 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+3) 10Typos. > 1600862282 152636 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77714&oldid=77713 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+15) 10Links > 1600862350 687036 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77715&oldid=77714 5* 03IFcoltransG 5* (+1) 10/* Footnotes */ Fixed category > 1600863068 534981 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77716&oldid=77715 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+6) 10Wording > 1600863130 535053 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77717&oldid=77681 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+55) 10Add Zirconium > 1600863216 657637 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77718&oldid=77717 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-39) 10/* Z */ > 1600863274 220715 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:RocketRace14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77719&oldid=76913 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+91) 10Ads Zirconium < 1600867444 716917 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1600867462 987923 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600867841 269074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1600869825 992178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600873210 796905 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a recursive version of the identity function" what the heck < 1600873264 209362 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1600873413 570919 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there's a polynomial test for primality, nobody uses it because it isn't faster for any numbers we actually want to test for primality" => that's not how it works. the polynomial time deterministic speed test we have (not the first proven version, a later imrpovement) is still the one with the fastest runtime bound proven in advance for large numbers that we care about, but < 1600873489 806026 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have had and used randomized prime tests that are much faster, either typically or maybe proven in average, I'm not sure, and even those we rarely use, because we rarely need to prove a number prime; > 1600873513 595640 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07???14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77720&oldid=44701 5* 031hals 5* (+43) 10Added clarification found on the Github README < 1600873597 985620 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for crypto purposes we only use a randomized composite test, which can't prove a number prime, only probabilistically, but it's good enough to have a randomized test that is proved to say "prime" for a composite number with 1**128 chance when you can just get hardware errors or the adversary can make an inefficient attack that randomly succeeds more often then that < 1600873633 289093 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can repeat the test as many times as you want to reduce the likelyhood of false positive as low as you want exponentially < 1600873696 200966 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said for certain practical reasons we usually just prefer elliptic curve crypto over anything prime-based these days < 1600873752 911813 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600873895 613270 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean like a recursive conversion function from what you think of is a subtype to a type. yes, that can happen, though in C++/rust we can usually just avoid it by doing forced casts that the type system doesn't understand < 1600873918 761671 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we can prove that the representation of the subtype is the same as the representation of the output < 1600873958 52507 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course sometimes the representation really differs, so you need an actual conversion function, even if you think of it sort of as an identity that restricts the type < 1600874076 85423 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :examples of conversion that restricts the type but change the representation are freezing an appendable vector to an immutable vector, or sorting an appendable vector while you don't care about the order to an immutable sorted vector, or freezing a mutable balanced search tree dictionary to an immutable sorted list dictionary. < 1600874188 321386 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, both C++ and rust support subtyping to some extent, so using a simple (non-recursive) identity function from different output type than input type does come up sometimes, but in both cases it's restricted, you can't just make any type a subtype of another, < 1600874293 486391 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for some reason both C++ and rust were really stubborn about just adding a fucking identity function to the library, even though it is actually often useful and it's trivial to implement so why not give it a standard name to make code more readable. rust standard lib now has one, C++ doesn't but has a special case with restricted type, numpy also doesn't have one built in even though it would be < 1600874299 437994 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice to have IMO. < 1600874612 336997 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one annoying thing about OCaml is that it has a subtyping operator, but you need to tell it what types are involved" => isn't it enough to tell just the type of the output, in cases when it can infer the type of the input? < 1600874946 17859 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: since they weren't explicit enough, the and the "inverse ackerman" and "union-find" thing is a reference to a certain famous data structure that stores an equivalence function on {0..n-1}, can initialize it to all inequivalent, can in-place modify it to make two elements equivalent (then it acts transitively), and can tell you the representative of the equivalence class of any element, and < 1600874951 941577 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an impl of this data structure where the analysis of the runtime bound does involve the inverse ackermann function. this is described the best in Thomas H. Cormen, Charlse E. Leiserson, Ronald L. Rivest, Clifford Stein, "Introduction to Algorithms" second edition chapter 21 > 1600875150 287231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77721&oldid=77718 5* 03McGoodmen 5* (+18) 10 < 1600875175 778951 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a useful book to know about, at least until we get the complete TAOCP < 1600875369 572996 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the other useful algorithms book that has some topics that TAOCP will cover is the ed. Iványi one, but most of its chapters covers topics that are out of TAOCP's scope, so it may still remain useful when we have the definitive 5-volume TAOCP (vol 1..2 4th edition, vol 3 3rd edition, vol 4A..5 1st edition)) < 1600875400 476478 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1600875435 478986 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1600877680 357964 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a different note, I'm trying to understand how openttd signal logic works, but there are too few good examples. the openttd wiki and the openttdcoop wiki have some screenshots and descriptions, and so do the old coop games, but not enough introductory material, it mostly just shows complicated bulids with lots of logic elements. < 1600877817 156282 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I can't even reproduce the not gate from https://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Logic#NOT , and I haven't even seen an intro example for just a single flip-flop, examples that make clockful vs clockless logic clear, or explanations of how the later openttd updates and especially path-based signals affect this < 1600877895 462432 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600877964 850277 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try to reproduce it again < 1600877999 786443 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can see, openttd is correct in that that simple not gate doesn't work by the way, despite what that wiki says < 1600878036 24013 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's also possible that I'm just connecting the gate output wrong and so it's read wrong < 1600878112 601864 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I tried to build the simple not gate, if the input is disconnected so the output should be red, but what I get is that the output does occasionally flash green for a short time < 1600878159 692431 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying again now < 1600878543 668177 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rebuilt it in the exact orientation that the example shows, and the output still flashes green < 1600880797 183175 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1600880829 435934 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600880874 577205 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600881557 684531 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600881664 123112 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600881725 103298 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I found another semi-clear example image that I can look at: "https://wiki.openttdcoop.org/images/7/71/Psg172_7platform.png" on "https://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Junctionary_-_Stations_-_SRNW" < 1600881726 840921 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1600881735 124026 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if only catenaries were hidden) < 1600882002 869761 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck the signal for the output is hidden by the station < 1600882090 474746 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still uses more or less the same build, just with more signals on the logic loop < 1600882108 422038 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's where I failed to reproduce: https://i.stack.imgur.com/sGc7j.png < 1600884167 550728 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1600884276 652557 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600885693 83728 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1600886737 306120 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600888552 342472 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1600888818 986858 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600888841 503577 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600888892 699807 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600894226 29329 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dgxobjqrsteggaxl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600894227 873977 :mich181189!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mzbfeedrxgssqmom QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600894227 874027 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eddjpjmywnpghker QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600894256 2724 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wehhdkcwphwwvmhs QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600894262 969719 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qfxpmzqxisjfxfeo QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600894262 969765 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600894334 859722 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lsguxyqzoaibdwjj JOIN :#esoteric < 1600894346 439726 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qfphmykbktmfmook JOIN :#esoteric < 1600894355 793476 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gvlppjsxyefvgjgm JOIN :#esoteric < 1600894384 656292 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vraipnlwmsksvlef JOIN :#esoteric < 1600894401 620294 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1600894410 387761 :mich181189!sid268336@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ibfuzxnpwejmzkyz JOIN :#esoteric < 1600895100 486470 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1600897653 685598 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Quit: gone too far < 1600900650 412342 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1600900995 535746 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600901201 180737 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600901407 706812 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lsguxyqzoaibdwjj QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600901427 618832 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600901433 800463 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vraipnlwmsksvlef QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600901456 42311 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oabhwrmeevisxbwt QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600901476 251589 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1600901503 593823 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gvlppjsxyefvgjgm QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1600901579 80843 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxenmydbtxdrjhcw JOIN :#esoteric < 1600901597 287427 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qfphmykbktmfmook QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600901680 486942 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uiplmdtlzxqgskyi JOIN :#esoteric < 1600901704 779443 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tponbxdqtfpxmwel JOIN :#esoteric < 1600901721 876272 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-edgdmbvwrsdqgipa JOIN :#esoteric < 1600901728 451903 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mihcxfhnomxcbhyw JOIN :#esoteric < 1600901912 197772 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1600902058 323895 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles JOIN :#esoteric < 1600903141 533162 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1600903760 233801 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77722&oldid=77716 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-10) 10no stub > 1600904042 467031 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77723&oldid=77722 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-2) 10Thanks, cyan < 1600904056 712669 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that a way to make a new typesetting system might be to use a combinaion of the features from TeX and troff (including the intermediate output formats of both), and also macros can contain PostScript codes (to be executed either immediately, or when the page is being shipped out; graphics operations are usually only applicable in the latter case). < 1600904063 805116 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you think of that? < 1600904161 811374 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some sets of features of TeX and troff are I don't know how you would combine them, but it would seem useful to do.) > 1600905607 783597 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03BougeToi 5* 10New user account < 1600905779 90157 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1600905858 238963 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... so in debian, when software documentation is in a separate binary package, if it's html (or pdf) documentation (as opposed to man pages or info), the documentation is usually installed under /usr/share/doc . but /usr/share/doc has directories for each binary package name, and the docs are sometimes installed under the name of the doc package, but sometimes under the name of the software package. > 1600905860 991305 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77724&oldid=77698 5* 03BougeToi 5* (+268) 10/* Introductions */ < 1600905864 350651 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter might be an error. < 1600905866 282068 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/error/mistake/ < 1600905884 915030 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600906164 286644 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the policies for documentation in Debian? > 1600906182 349994 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77725&oldid=50296 5* 03BougeToi 5* (-9) 10Made the text more adjacent to English < 1600906225 364489 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is documentation which isn't in man pages, presumably I should think the man pages should mention where to find them, though. (In addition to HTML and PDF, some programs may also have plain text documentation.) > 1600906359 248405 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FizzBuzz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77726&oldid=77672 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+1080) 10/* Examples */ Mathematics < 1600906870 76989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a mistake, I think it's a pretty common mistake. Unless you meant "mistake" in the sense of "not a good idea", rather than "not a thing a Debian package is supposed to do". > 1600906944 853451 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Alex14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77727&oldid=77725 5* 03BougeToi 5* (+122) 10/* Translate to brainfuck */ < 1600907108 426207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it might be just that there's no one consistent convention. One of the '-doc' packages I've got installed (gpsbabel-doc) in fact puts meta-documentation about the doc package (changelog.Debian.gz, copyright) in /usr/share/doc/gpsbabel-doc, but documentation about the software itself (gpsbabel.html, gpsbabel.pdf.gz) in /usr/share/doc/gpsbabel. And then it makes /usr/share/doc/gpsbabel-doc/doc a < 1600907114 442016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :symlink to '../gpsbabel'. < 1600907130 79973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe that's just a particularly weird example. < 1600907173 939079 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1600909112 70543 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: some programs also have info documentation. I don't know what the policies are, but the practice that I observe is that they mostly just let you install docs in the form that the upstream could install, which could be any of man, info, html, pdf; and then also add at least stub manpages for executables if they don't have one. < 1600909147 990542 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they change the installation directories, but that make sense, they have to change that for basically everything they install. < 1600909178 838885 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most software already allows or should allow users to decide the installation directories anyway. < 1600909273 13870 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, and also if the documentation is licensed under the GFDL with front or back cover text, then they consider that docs not free and so don't put them in the main archives. this is sort of internally consistent, but very annoying. < 1600909674 260759 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, there is also info documentation < 1600912734 663609 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what is this? If I remember correctly there are tools to generate man and info pages from your application if you set it up correctly. < 1600912789 373582 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used .ds and .so commands so that you can specify what directories other files are found in (whether documentation or something else) edited by the distributor, separately from the rest of the man page. < 1600912797 54722 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also a few programs, most notably subversionn, hide their reference documentation in the executable such that you can access them with something like program-name help --verbose then program-name help subcommand-or-doc-section < 1600912812 142032 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, some programs do. < 1600912893 744119 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I should go through and extract all the help pages from the programs of subversion (svn, svnadmin, and a few more) and concatenate them to a single searchable text file, but so far I've been lazy < 1600912928 485806 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mercurial also does this, but it also comes with a hg(1) manpage that has the same text, so in that case it's fine < 1600912946 690132 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn doesn't have that text in man-pages or on the web or anywhere easily searchable < 1600912969 937578 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fossil also has the docs in the executable < 1600912994 134612 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you happen to have already existed these docs for some executable such that you can share? < 1600913058 600416 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know fossil does too < 1600913091 871272 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I am not sure what you are looking for < 1600913154 177111 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a single text file that contains all possible outputs from svn help $anything, svnadmin help $anything, etc; and similarly for fossil help $anything < 1600913173 890676 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in a text file, I can do full-text search < 1600913179 102297 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have them. < 1600914789 702482 :RTFM[ChOkO]!~RTFMChOkO@rtfm-ctf/founder/choko JOIN :#esoteric < 1600915907 619515 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600915974 837357 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably a stupid question because I don't understand enough about hardware. ethernet uses a checksum, usually crc32 or crc16, to detect packages that aren't transmitted correctly, and can use that to negotiate transmission speed. that much makes sense. but why doesn't ethernet also use some kind of error-correction code, to gain bandwith? < 1600916005 377348 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least optionally I mean, after negotiation. < 1600916043 463888 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600916065 102062 :gahaaah!65afa75c@101.175.167.92 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600916137 520039 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really add error correction codes at higher layers of the protocol if ethernet discards packets with wrong checksums < 1600916148 532793 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's ethernet that has to do it < 1600916149 21939 :gahaaah!65afa75c@101.175.167.92 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a challenge that involves ECC cryptography, are you able to break it? here is the encrypt.py https://pastebin.com/UpNf3Pis and here is the output.txt https://pastebin.com/bM9X3znV you can use any esolang to solve this, or any program you choose e.g sage, gp/pari etc :) < 1600916163 512944 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and error correction code is nice to implement in hardware too < 1600916802 140517 :gahaaah!65afa75c@101.175.167.92 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can buffer overflow/heap overflow vulnerable code be written in any esolang? < 1600917061 398356 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :gahaaah: yes, there are low-level esolangs that let you access memory without bounds check < 1600917081 802173 :gahaaah!65afa75c@101.175.167.92 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas which one is the more popular one? < 1600917274 292639 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno. probably some bytebytejump variant is the most popular, but I specifically hate that language. < 1600917584 279117 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :gahaaah: do it in thue. < 1600918130 837864 :gahaaah!65afa75c@101.175.167.92 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try < 1600918273 241930 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :why're you looking to break esolang interpreters? < 1600918479 982575 :gahaaah!65afa75c@101.175.167.92 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1600918499 767678 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame. was looking for someone security minded. < 1600922177 135207 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc JOIN :#esoteric < 1600929315 489528 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1600931678 583264 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600931865 674178 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uiplmdtlzxqgskyi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1600934955 624773 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1600935083 847556 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600940425 970822 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: ... < 1600940548 999737 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1600943141 4535 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1600943236 832240 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algebraic Data Types, but for operating systems: Dual-booting == sum type, running a VM == product type < 1600943407 508948 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1600943988 548272 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would an exponential type be < 1600944793 864110 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600948482 884879 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1600948955 606346 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77728&oldid=77723 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-6) 10Info -> About < 1600952694 110978 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1600952717 809607 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1600952814 399983 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77729&oldid=77635 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-52) 10I will remove this. It may cause confusion. > 1600952890 968322 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77730&oldid=77729 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-4) 10Grammar fix > 1600952938 782647 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77731&oldid=77730 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+1) 10Full stoppp < 1600953319 784897 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1600953321 889754 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is juberous. < 1600954939 870505 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1600956205 949519 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600959290 919175 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1600959443 734640 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1600959461 905740 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1600959614 968718 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://tabloid.vercel.app < 1600959679 914064 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oops, please turn on JavaScript to enjoy Tabloid :) < 1600960019 777884 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fracjbugeeqxdvxh JOIN :#esoteric < 1600960654 108420 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24578749 <-- HN thread on Tabloid < 1600960744 764755 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how everything gets printed with an exclamation mark at the end < 1600961712 412563 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1600962084 219857 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :how scandalous! < 1600962138 628891 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :rumor has it that’s an extramarital son of Cobol and Intercal (and BASIC) < 1600962164 676059 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :QBASIC* > 1600962183 269502 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Seiryn 5* 10New user account < 1600962299 589416 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there esotericity in allowing only dual numbers in a language? (R ⊕ εR where ε² = 0; or we may make ε a higher-degree nilpotent, like ε³ = 0 and taking R ⊕ εR ⊕ ε²R) < 1600962313 297180 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :by R I mean float64 or something < 1600962440 20525 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course exp, sin and others will be defined by their Taylor series truncations) < 1600962490 309569 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like sin (a + bε) = sin a − bε cos a) < 1600962508 922768 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, + < 1600962816 641643 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not very esoteric, I think. Keyword is "forward mode automatic differentiation". < 1600962914 547215 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The syntax may be esoteric, but that's shallow.) < 1600963716 330366 :Cale!~cale@99.253.130.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1600964309 274726 :Cale!~cale@CPEf48e38ee8583-CM0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1600968778 680163 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1600970451 352662 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : Keyword is "forward mode automatic differentiation". => yeah I know :( < 1600970487 63836 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: how about complex numbers confined to the unit circle? < 1600970508 664996 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you probably have already seen me tlking about them) < 1600973859 116483 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :C compilers seem to break if you shove 2.6MiB worth of statements at them, but I don't know why. < 1600973970 498403 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1600974131 838294 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them around this same boundary? < 1600975745 531822 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1600978139 424170 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I may have. Didn't pique my interest... < 1600983625 882772 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1600984509 943527 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1600984999 209512 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1600987934 429616 :budonyc!~budonyc@c-24-62-207-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1600989737 488919 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1600989820 976044 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Double Helix14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77732&oldid=71508 5* 03Abbin21 5* (+1) 10/* Computation */ > 1600991241 967790 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77733&oldid=77728 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+0) 10Remap exclusion zones for clarity. > 1600991687 760229 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Abbin2114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77734 5* 03Abbin21 5* (+148) 10Created page with "Abbin lives somewhere, i think. He has created 2 esolangs to this date and plans to continue his journey. == Esolangs == * [[Conveyer]] * [[Casini]]" < 1600995857 674239 :budonyc!~budonyc@c-24-62-207-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1601002553 678587 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601002640 911270 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1601002641 244452 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1601004351 457639 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601004515 99045 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1601007883 43340 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1601007893 863565 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this room still active? < 1601008197 478500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601008205 355228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AviFS: yes, but you arrived at one of the worst possible times of day < 1601008215 674622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the regulars are asleep < 1601008241 484811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the logs linked in the /topic if you're interested in recent conversations < 1601008280 83870 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, that's where I'm looking! < 1601008292 132351 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it truly the infamous ais523? < 1601008400 444069 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of all your super interesting languages, I got the most points on PPCG that I think I've ever gotten with your lang [Baby Language](https://esolangs.org/wiki/Baby_Language) < 1601008448 68946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's me < 1601008472 451996 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is quite ironic. There was a golfing problem to write a piece that would error randomly < 1601008497 710448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Baby Language because it's pretty much a universal answer to "do such and such a thing with nonzero probability" < 1601008498 517346 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So most people were doing things along the lines of `1/randint(0,n)` < 1601008507 675183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rare to get a language that universally answers an entire class of questions in 0 bytes < 1601008510 464866 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's exactly what it was! < 1601008547 667717 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The winning answer until that point was simply a golflang port of the `1/rand()`, but the empty program in Baby Language works < 1601008550 693364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also posted an answer in Baby Language, https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/117869 < 1601008570 746287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it didn't get upvoted quite as highly, because I was late to the question (I assumed the language was too new; it wasn't) < 1601008580 777263 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I remember someone was shocked in the comments that you would have written such a 'boring' language, haha < 1601008636 834693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolanging is about pushing the boundaries of programming, not always in useful directions < 1601008677 452600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :discovering new boundaries in the direction of "simple uselessness" is actually really difficult, it feels like most of them have already been found < 1601008677 454028 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I copied you without realizing! < 1601008678 277219 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/203281/87594 < 1601008717 372046 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you sort by votes, it's the first one. Which has never again happened to me. But I think you'll be amused to see how much people love you in the comments on that answer! < 1601008739 874940 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+←1 < 1601008776 602081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I normally read codegolf while logged out and with JavaScript turned off, so the sort is votes by default and I can't see more than the first page in other sort orders < 1601008801 627566 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow! Caveman style :p < 1601008815 79539 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, sorry for the auto-emoji *cringe* < 1601008823 301527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's meant to be +<-1? < 1601008831 411133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I type ← often enough that I didn't notice an issue < 1601008857 940128 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no! That's on purpose ←←←← I meant the painful stick-out-tongue face < 1601008867 474265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it didn't auto-emoji for me < 1601008871 388488 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew! < 1601008874 644537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must auto-emoji on receive rather than on send < 1601008876 452392 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How odd < 1601008884 665965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't an emoji: :p < 1601008888 589486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that auto-emoji for you? < 1601008894 59338 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup! < 1601008902 58062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, your client is doing it on receive < 1601008917 261323 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not a pipe: 🚬 < 1601008926 122373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't in my font, unfortunately < 1601008928 356221 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that makes sense < 1601008932 210120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode 🚬 < 1601008934 948691 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1F6AC SMOKING SYMBOL] < 1601008958 331457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you HackEso < 1601008997 641880 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you know I sent a message at the beginning? Do you always keep it pinned? < 1601009007 36974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the logs every now and then < 1601009014 313321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and randomly happened to check them 5 minutes after your message < 1601009023 872520 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see! < 1601009049 841072 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you active anywhere else? Perhaps one of the PPCG rooms or the Discord channel? < 1601009077 155131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use Discord; I used to be active in PPCG chat but Stack Exchange annoys me a lot, and eventually I couldn't tolerate it any more < 1601009085 205948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have nothing against PPCG, it's a great community < 1601009090 586488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the software it runs on is just so terrible < 1601009113 933293 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1601009124 246327 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't blame you! Well good to know we can find you on here then : ) < 1601009135 387713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't idle here as often as I should, really < 1601009149 226010 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will certainly be back, though should go for now soon. Just one more thing first! < 1601009216 633668 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601009250 739672 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to organize a weekly event where esolangers teach a language they really enjoy, or share whatever lang they're working on! < 1601009265 408742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :activity in esolang programming tends to go in bursts < 1601009284 374370 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mainly through PPCG and the Discord channel, so it'll likely oscillate between those two platforms, and some Skype-equivalent for people who want voice < 1601009296 285851 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fEHHewZeBvQmdKRa8pggPDHGrNDyxTh-mwOQmfX7FWo/edit < 1601009302 256729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my esolang activity is split between a) languages I can think of in 10 minutes and implement in an hour, b) languages which take months of planning and are so big a task to program I'm not sure I'll ever manage it < 1601009359 102396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at any given time, I'm not actively working on any particular language because the easy ones are finished and the hard ones are too daunting to work on < 1601009361 23266 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far 6 people have signed up to host one! (The Tarpit is the name of the general esolanging room I made on PPCG; the old one's long frozen) < 1601009364 750132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be like that for other programmers, too < 1601009372 836524 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes a lot of sense! < 1601009417 528507 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I thought having a structured 45 minute event once a week where people can either teach something they love, or share what they're working on, would be nice for the community! < 1601009444 273125 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was the Google Doc where people sign up, and where 6 have already: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fEHHewZeBvQmdKRa8pggPDHGrNDyxTh-mwOQmfX7FWo/edit < 1601009450 367436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an interesting idea, I hope it works < 1601009458 250690 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the regulars here will spot your comment in the log, I expect < 1601009470 727022 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope so! < 1601009503 219151 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you guys would like to join, the first one is this Saturday, held both at 11 AM & 2 AM UTC < 1601009542 359363 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get back to my interpreter but Zendikar happened. < 1601009542 984484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably won't be online then, hopefully you'll get some other users though < 1601009578 816692 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general, they'll be held sometime on UTC Saturdays. So if you can't make this one, maybe some future ones. The idea is to let the host choose the time and platform (within that 24 hour window that is Saturday UTC)! < 1601009611 379837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, another answer to that "error at random" question is a machine code program that disassembles to "rdtsc; jmp rax" < 1601009636 7803 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, alright! Will let you guys know how they go! Hope to see some of you in future ones perhaps. I certainly can't imagine how many would go to one of yours on Underload!! < 1601009639 786209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the sort of thing that hurts to think about because of how strongly it violates normal programming principles < 1601009678 729955 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops! I have to go now! < 1601009685 542649 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Til soon!! < 1601009687 732407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night / other appropriate time of day < 1601009720 613586 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How'd you know?! Sure _is_ night on this region of the planet : ) < 1601009740 866598 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked your client what timezone you were in, but it didn't know; statistically speaking, though, night is a good guess < 1601009753 223743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's night in most (not all) English-speaking countries at the moment < 1601009764 775472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weighted by population < 1601009774 153306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the reason that most of the regulars are asleep) < 1601010063 143556 :interruptinuse!~interrupt@girl.mrtheplague.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in -- bye bye! < 1601010605 991105 :interruptinuse!~interrupt@girl.mrtheplague.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1601011545 456508 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Tailor14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77735&oldid=77494 5* 03Elderberry 5* (+34) 10Updated docs to match Github < 1601014622 519661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1601015624 168742 :AviFS!4c583910@cpe-76-88-57-16.san.res.rr.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601021544 385386 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1601021683 842195 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601022483 58020 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601023134 387695 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-86.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1601024239 942512 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1601025077 199456 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1601026471 564920 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601029253 966136 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1601030057 472583 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1601030124 188899 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1601030514 97967 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601030603 238557 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how sometimes we need a convention whether to write source arguments first or destination arguments first? This comes up in assembler syntaxes, but also interfaces in most programming languages that have functions with positional argument lists, such as C. < 1601030676 656324 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1601030680 483653 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yah? < 1601030684 562539 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And different libraries use different conventions. Has anyone made the esoteric argument that source arguments should be on the left because "source" starts with an "s" just like "sinister", and "destination" starts with a "d" just like "dexter". < 1601030699 756294 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it < 1601030814 845905 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually prefer destination first usually, at least in languages like C that use a <- or = assignment operator with destination first, but I just wanted to bring up this argument. < 1601030839 555855 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems important, indeed. < 1601030902 288462 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are some languages where the assignment has destination first, such as in programmable calculators, and that sort of makes sense too. < 1601031048 170049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To bolster that argument: the Finnish word for source, "lähde", starts with "l", just like "länsi" (west), and conventionally in maps the westward direction is to the left. On the other hand, destination, "kohde", starts with "k", just like "koillinen" (northeast) and "kaakko" (southeast), so generally to the eastward direction, and therefore logically on the right. < 1601031054 637618 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life is messy. Category theorists will restore the order of things, no doubt. < 1601031119 382792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Come to think of it, I guess not that many languages have completely separate words for the intercardinal directions. < 1601031148 558190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish set (koillinen, kaakko, lounas, luode) have absolutely nothing to do with the cardinal ones (pohjoinen, etelä, itä, länsi). < 1601031192 160133 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the Dutch word for source is 'bron' and for destination it's 'bestemming'. Two times 'b'. < 1601031208 100830 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder this polulation is in a permanent state of confusion. < 1601031218 280021 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*population < 1601031324 178251 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, I need to fill in this form and send it to some Dutch embassy < 1601031822 956080 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: curious :o < 1601031949 815263 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I found the answer to an earlier question I had. It's right in the FAQ, so now I feel stupid for asking somewhere before RTFM. http://subversion.apache.org/faq.html#http-methods < 1601033180 433733 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/zendikar-rising-update-bulletin-2020-09-22 Zendikar Rising Update Bulletin, M:tG < 1601034312 259983 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so the new set has two cards, Verazol, the Split Current and Lithoform Engine, that can copy spells that aren't sorcery or instant spells. < 1601034609 288921 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1601034675 340383 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1601035201 185865 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1601035216 881531 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1601035331 608969 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601036126 545933 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:7173:7dd9:65bb:70c6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601036213 446243 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1601036531 126793 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1601036749 814382 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Transortogonal Polymorphism14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77736&oldid=76124 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-6) 10/* Object */ < 1601039003 704935 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1601039723 860218 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601039893 125469 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1601040559 894970 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1601042259 844963 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1601043189 689659 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1601043561 368397 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1601043806 468616 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601044195 831982 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Jupyter Notebooks < 1601044469 995958 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not hugely < 1601044479 819759 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can see why some people might < 1601044490 136980 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they could work well in an education setting < 1601044777 135238 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use sage math with jupyter < 1601044781 272180 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno if i like it < 1601044788 340592 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its kind of annoying < 1601044798 141747 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me wish python had some kind of checkpointed system for evaluation < 1601044802 868969 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't need to re-run stuff < 1601044890 888771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sorta like Colab, which I think are just our spin of the thing. < 1601045162 632512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of nice for sharing some sort of analysis/argument with someone, compared to just giving them a script or writing a doc about it. Our internal thing has all kinds of handy integrations to systems. < 1601045828 4615 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah its nice but I wish it was better, it's good enough t hat I use it < 1601045859 851274 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601045905 310805 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601045940 985013 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1601047325 317540 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1601049387 346482 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1601049558 411551 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 > 1601050185 8561 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 033s0!an9 b0y 5* 10New user account < 1601050457 401589 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1601052045 483064 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : Do you like Jupyter Notebooks => I used them a bit, especially when I was lazy to set up VS Code for working with Python. And they can be useful for testing numerical stuff < 1601053495 847796 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601054619 742007 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric > 1601054649 36896 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77737&oldid=77731 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-5) 10Killing a few s's... < 1601056967 539653 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wib_jonas: I have seen that update bulletin, but when I checked, the actual rule file was not yet available. I did read about copying permanent spells. Their rule seems to be similar to mine but less general, perhaps. > 1601066169 434277 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AnnoyStack14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77738 5* 03Jdsj llop llvm 5* (+1031) 10Created page with "'''AnnoyStack''' is a stack-based language that is purposely created to be difficult to use, although hopefully turing complete. It also has an infinite tape, where each cell..." > 1601066295 894977 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AnnoyStack14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77739&oldid=77738 5* 03Jdsj llop llvm 5* (+55) 10add cat program > 1601066832 330215 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MITLML14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77740&oldid=58711 5* 03Jdsj llop llvm 5* (+2) 10grammar fixes < 1601067639 948101 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:7173:7dd9:65bb:70c6 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1601071453 428992 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1601072481 946181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it's in any sense esoteric, but any opinions regarding ext4/btrfs/ZFS for a plain old spinning RAID1 setup for "general-purpose use"? I've been strictly ext4, but have to replace a drive anyway, and thought it might be a good time to think about reconfiguring, mostly because the fancier ones have that built-in checksumming. < 1601072786 446050 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1601073650 270663 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601073917 788760 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1601074775 3876 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601075037 789806 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1601075452 44907 :wmww11!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-iatphkxiumuxsyrt JOIN :#esoteric < 1601075596 682611 :wmww1!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ecfmrvvpmtdcgzgc QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1601075614 782263 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601080423 177582 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't know. I've heard good things about btrfs, it is probably ready for prime time, but I'm sticking to ext4. I don't think the checksumming is worth much by the way. < 1601080437 675314 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other features of btrfs might be worth. < 1601080968 591925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was mocked for having a backup strategy that won't strictly speaking help if there's been bit-rot I've not noticed until whenever the oldest copy was taken, that's why I was thinking about it. A periodic btrfs/ZFS scrub should in theory address that. < 1601080985 451623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what other advanced features I'd use. Of course there's the snapshotting, which is cool. And a nicely flexible approach to multi-device support. < 1601081222 359673 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601081258 698411 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601083813 823067 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1601085014 932627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601087164 856372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1601088619 3761 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody know any actual, like, game programs written for BytePusher. < 1601089100 280963 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601089211 651460 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1601089212 185254 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1601089443 540092 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any, but add it if you have some, please. < 1601095438 981410 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601104126 230580 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1601107727 214245 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1601107756 367727 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1601107903 840592 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601110027 643913 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1601111645 174995 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601116393 413156 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1601119116 643993 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77741&oldid=77733 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+663) 10Add Fib > 1601119291 968734 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77742&oldid=77741 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+151) 10Add a new _ station, as a counterpart to ` > 1601119397 488197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77743&oldid=77742 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+141) 10Add a ; defect, for programming use only < 1601119439 981256 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1601119779 929983 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77744&oldid=77743 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+174) 10Add a footnote to a footnote > 1601120094 379311 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77745&oldid=77744 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+2) 10Remove default table contents < 1601122966 451979 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1601122967 46978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 261150Z 09004KT 050V120 9999 FEW013 SCT040 BKN060 08/05 Q1002 NOSIG < 1601123135 955173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar EGLL < 1601123136 474082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGLL 261220Z AUTO 34011KT 300V020 9999 BKN040 13/04 Q1011 NOSIG < 1601123328 606992 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1601123346 879977 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1601127433 781907 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1601127433 782771 :izabera!izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :*.net *.split < 1601127433 928525 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1601127762 705351 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601127762 705410 :izabera!izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1601127762 705424 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric > 1601131896 57193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Emerald/sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77746&oldid=77466 5* 03Emerald 5* (+2807) 10Day 2 < 1601132375 649219 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601132474 492902 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1601132550 90344 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1601133054 252155 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601133949 237399 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1601134485 943568 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1601134968 613946 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1601135026 302107 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1601135026 452676 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it is a hate so pure and... pumpkin seeds? can you take a capture of my bedroom and send john code for his present. < 1601135095 76768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, homestuck. < 1601135541 910473 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1601136989 567552 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1601138101 160237 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric > 1601138579 359264 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NoComment14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77747 5* 03CaptainFoxtrot 5* (+3851) 10Created page about NoComment > 1601138652 533760 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77748&oldid=77721 5* 03CaptainFoxtrot 5* (+16) 10Added NoComment > 1601139234 867025 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NoComment14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77749&oldid=77747 5* 03CaptainFoxtrot 5* (+44) 10Added link to Github < 1601139544 633965 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :pumpkin seeds are pretty culinary < 1601141907 585404 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601142217 819258 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1601145387 482189 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1601150119 329088 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1601156526 332336 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did google images switch to crop images like twitter by the way? < 1601156567 244254 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they seem to do it more sanely, doesn't just crop them to a shape decided in advance by the frame even if it can't be cropped sanely < 1601156976 433745 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, google actually finds relevant hits for submarine jousting, though it's not the kind of submarine jousting that Taneb invented < 1601157309 888803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is either of them the kind where a submarine has a lance bolted onto it on one side? < 1601157390 334985 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not sure < 1601157922 13987 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is some history thing from the world war < 1601158612 194016 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many programmers who convert their software to SDL fail to properly consider the number pad. < 1601158626 757691 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1601158804 417826 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have another idea of Magic: the Gathering card: {?} World Enchantment ;; Auras have persist. < 1601158913 868324 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that would be a bit awkward with physical cards < 1601158949 579556 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you'd have to be able to place counters on a card hidden under another card, from which you show less area than normal < 1601158959 580299 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be done though < 1601158987 569876 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; you could also use different physical objects to denote counters on attached permanents, if wanted < 1601159077 259005 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, dice for one and coins for the other < 1601159166 749728 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is one way. < 1601159186 34478 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@cpe-24-208-148-153.insight.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1601159233 871938 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1601160081 232677 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1601160768 108967 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NoComment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77750&oldid=77749 5* 03CaptainFoxtrot 5* (+135) 10Added information on clear command < 1601161367 90730 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that I think of it, I don't actually have any good examples of some nontrivial markov algorithms like I have turing machines. < 1601161395 245081 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :any search I do brings me back to forward chaining reasoning systems, but that's using term values and variables, not bare strings. < 1601164583 818707 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601164630 522857 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1601164741 876689 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1601168382 19648 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77751&oldid=77745 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+0) 10Fix a crucial typo in Q < 1601168391 33856 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rqcnbpnfbvvgmnkw QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1601168511 69051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77752&oldid=77751 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+4) 10Rephrase register machine > 1601168551 42842 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77753&oldid=77752 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-2) 10Enclose "module" in quotes since it's not an official term < 1601168562 612569 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fuhbusxageqvscyf JOIN :#esoteric < 1601170515 6515 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :question. in a modern fantasy setting with gods based on Greek mythology, like OotS, which greek god would be considered the god of arcane magic, in the sense that a wizard would sacrifice to them to make sure their arcane rituals work well? < 1601170717 924803 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Hekate < 1601170920 776538 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am not sure) < 1601172978 713217 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1601173102 344375 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1601173754 212381 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friends have a cat named Hekate < 1601173789 464093 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@cpe-24-208-148-153.insight.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macbeth heard Hecate and arrived on scene < 1601174630 979668 :budonyc!~budonyc@c-24-62-207-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601175238 959244 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. Hekate might be it. < 1601175241 691175 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1601175593 779255 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601175713 265480 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1601175713 447336 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1601175803 345380 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NoComment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77754&oldid=77750 5* 03CaptainFoxtrot 5* (+840) 10Added code for addition and subtraction algorithms < 1601176854 572339 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. the IOCCC wobsite says " The winning code is being reviewed and will be published in mid-August" > 1601177003 457247 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NoComment14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77755&oldid=77754 5* 03CaptainFoxtrot 5* (+90) 10Added categories < 1601177112 575732 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they didn't specify a year < 1601178138 679321 :budonyc!~budonyc@c-24-62-207-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1601182114 766884 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What mana cost and name do you think is good for the card I mentioned above? < 1601185472 985184 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1601185747 20170 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@cpe-24-208-148-153.insight.res.rr.com PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1601185961 954187 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601189512 274883 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1601190300 258624 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vxenmydbtxdrjhcw QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1601190366 42770 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aducpsaplmgukare JOIN :#esoteric < 1601194146 254811 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1601194303 866110 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601195166 510084 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601195188 866706 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1601195300 128468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If SAT solvers do rapid restarts, how much does incrementality in data structures matter? < 1601195313 876645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the trail being backtrackable even matter? < 1601195327 974694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they do a lot of short runs and some long runs, and maybe those matter more. < 1601195337 206556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly by time, if they use the Luby schedule. > 1601199885 341331 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77756&oldid=77737 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+29) 10Turing completeness < 1601199903 481638 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1601199926 353727 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77757&oldid=77756 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+0) 10Oh! < 1601201748 257304 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1601203433 912798 :stux|RC-only!stux2@grid9.quadspeedi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601203652 910450 :stux!stux2@grid9.quadspeedi.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1601205404 208189 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why aren't there any rabbits in the Wizard of Oz? < 1601205532 900357 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601212402 383944 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1601212418 930483 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1601217128 555773 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there are rabbits. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Marvelous_Land_of_Oz/Chapter_1 < 1601217233 659667 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: wrong book (but yes, same franchise) < 1601217446 923044 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: well they're probably already in the land in the first book, just not mentioned because they're a short books < 1601217474 884297 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if "amused himself chasing the fleet white rabbits" is the only occurrence... that doesn't really count. < 1601217503 43310 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an insignificant part of the scenery. < 1601218577 876601 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no it's not < 1601218585 485009 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: rabbits appear also in later books < 1601218603 213841 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's even another mention in the same book < 1601218614 788013 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1601218632 651062 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Marvelous_Land_of_Oz/Chapter_12 and most of https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?search=rabbit+frank+baum < 1601218639 720678 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't care beyond the first book, honestly.
< 1601218646 540584 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most of the first hits at that < 1601218758 90952 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then I stick to what I said, they were already in the land during the first book, just not mentioned, because it's a short book < 1601218780 244726 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1601218781 218365 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PART :#esoteric < 1601218789 49814 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll find many books about the real world that don't mention rabbits, and perhaps even short cookbooks, and that doesn't mean they aren't there < 1601218839 437915 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601218931 736595 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1601218934 247928 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1601218996 988726 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1601220094 66966 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1601222779 454621 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1601227530 640597 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1601227639 882966 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1601230316 695055 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601232249 769183 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@cpe-24-208-148-153.insight.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1601232280 32516 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@cpe-24-208-148-153.insight.res.rr.com PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1601232290 228410 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@cpe-24-208-148-153.insight.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1601233334 598449 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601233362 223076 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1601235856 40691 :deltaepsilon23_!~deltaepsi@cpe-24-208-148-153.insight.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1601235927 542605 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@cpe-24-208-148-153.insight.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601236687 338000 :deltaepsilon23_!~deltaepsi@cpe-24-208-148-153.insight.res.rr.com NICK :deltaepsilon23 < 1601243006 663301 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601248941 979182 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601248999 167027 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601249022 75772 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601250187 42842 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you're a PostScript expert. how would one define a `while` loop word utilizing quotations. < 1601250382 909919 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Perhaps by making it to make an array and then run it in a loop; that array contains the original together with a "ifelse" operator to check if it should continue or to stop. < 1601250571 687587 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting.. < 1601251248 883765 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps like this: /while {{exec} 0 get exch {{exit} ifelse} aload pop 5 array astore cvx loop} bind def Now you can write: 9 {dup 0 ne} {dup = 1 sub} while < 1601251603 994559 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatenative languages feel like borderline magic. < 1601252855 127448 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I didn't know that < 1601253398 999476 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1601262027 47720 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601262099 44724 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1601262100 650867 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1601265316 312479 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601270711 148873 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1601273131 870450 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601274082 91931 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@cpe-24-208-148-153.insight.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1601275171 582389 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1601276892 585199 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1601277056 927296 :V!v@anomalous.eu QUIT :Quit: V < 1601277110 158426 :V!v@anomalous.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1601278537 866882 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1601280003 487858 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601280066 216534 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1601280527 747521 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1601280643 775636 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601281806 884399 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1601288987 561042 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601291179 867518 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1601292398 984494 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601294213 832809 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1601296708 45869 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1601296725 795910 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1601297939 568905 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1601297993 569559 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601299374 285541 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1601299775 424769 :cpressey1!~cpressey@79-72-202-115.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1601299925 578542 :cpressey1!~cpressey@79-72-202-115.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So HOAS, at least as Haskellers use it, turns out to be exactly *not* what I thought it was. Representing your programs as lambda terms -- yes, OK, fine; implementing those lambda terms with functions in the host language -- ack what whyyyy < 1601299940 399702 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1601299945 25980 :cpressey1!~cpressey@79-72-202-115.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com NICK :cpressey < 1601300371 491187 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601301658 961072 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOAS is kinda crazy, im still not sure i get it < 1601301671 782797 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions are kind ofthe most opaque data structure possible < 1601301679 664459 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the idea of using them for programming is kinda mad < 1601301844 931814 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Using the host language's model of lambda calculus is the whole point though? < 1601301887 405973 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AIUI, HOAS is supposed to be convenient.) < 1601301902 298724 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And also efficient.) < 1601302782 423663 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-115.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: the papers and articles that I read up to this point definitely definitely did not lead me to believe that it was the whole point, that's all I can say < 1601302810 204212 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there’s usually a way to make functions not as opaque, something like they all get arguments of such a “type of variables” which allows to get a substituted body and not evaluate it too much? I forgot what I read < 1601302830 817328 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I don't believe theory papers. < 1601302840 251337 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1601302858 742044 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should take this into consideration too… < 1601302859 640359 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll stress the part where you don't have to deal with alpha-renaming or index shifting and all that. < 1601302871 119194 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because what else can you write about, really? < 1601302899 757704 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-115.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher-order_abstract_syntax#Implementation -- maybe you'd like to add "Also the function values of the host language can be used, in fact it's the whole point" to that :) < 1601302908 841692 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: disclaimer, I have not really read any HOAS papers (maybe one or two) < 1601303533 340686 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-115.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The section below that, on their use in logical frameworks, does say that it "usually refers to a specific representation that uses the binders of the meta-language". < 1601303554 299024 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-115.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seems to be how it's used when I see it used in Haskell. < 1601304052 459684 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-115.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the underlying thing seems to be that I'm expecting to see the term used in a general sense, but I'm seeing it used in a more specific sense that a particular subculture uses. OK then. < 1601304144 60227 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas JOIN :#esoteric < 1601304159 656931 :Remavas!~Remavas@unaffiliated/remavas QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601305328 961984 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601305396 961822 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1601305402 216222 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1601306009 910407 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1601307402 212589 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1601308176 27258 :_underscore_!47b863bc@pool-71-184-99-188.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601308444 801256 :_underscore_!47b863bc@pool-71-184-99-188.bstnma.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601309097 265911 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-115.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1601310855 799854 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1601312153 805490 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it avoids needing to reimplement the rigamarole relating to name shadowing / substitution / etc < 1601312165 874468 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your host language already implements that < 1601312208 692614 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a while, but I think you can easily convert a HOAS term into a first order traditional AST by feeding in a supply of fresh names < 1601312256 173925 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, in one sense host language functions are the most opaque data structure there is; in another sense they are the most versatile because you can ask them anything you want just by applying them < 1601312284 897149 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's kind of a similar principle to church encoding < 1601312337 460375 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i'm full of nonsense. that is always a distinct possibility < 1601314449 915758 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think < 1601314450 60716 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and it just might be all three possible codes, yielding a radically exactly the same as the word " crazy" t)(at is so ridiculous shit so youll probably sleep with the damn point > 1601314703 362364 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Bulkasmakom 5* 10New user account > 1601315177 19324 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77758&oldid=77724 5* 03Bulkasmakom 5* (+1406) 10 > 1601315247 658259 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77759&oldid=77758 5* 03Bulkasmakom 5* (-108) 10 < 1601315482 576578 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an induction principle for function types? < 1601315560 384054 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it seems exactly it should involve application < 1601315826 334032 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, if one’s to show something like “foldNat Z z s = z, foldNat (S x) z s = s (foldNat x z s)”, then we have foldFun (λa. x) a = x < 1601315897 277739 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :induction for function types is basically forall > 1601316185 694692 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Welcome14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77760 5* 03Bulkasmakom 5* (+1204) 10Created page with "== Description == ScriptJava is like JavaScript, but different. It reverses the behavior when possible. [[ https://github.com/nikita202/scriptjava ]] == Substitutions == gene..." > 1601316249 957781 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Bulkasmakom 5* 10moved [[02Welcome10]] to [[ScriptJava]]: a mistake > 1601316262 143930 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Welcome14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77763&oldid=77762 5* 03Bulkasmakom 5* (-24) 10Blanked the page > 1601316426 244908 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ScriptJava14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77764&oldid=77761 5* 03Bulkasmakom 5* (+0) 10 > 1601316474 949531 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ScriptJava14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77765&oldid=77764 5* 03Bulkasmakom 5* (+24) 10 > 1601316530 875838 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77766&oldid=77475 5* 03Bulkasmakom 5* (+44) 10 < 1601317361 778923 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Why do you ask about defining a while loop word in PostScript? < 1601317678 772720 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: was working through some rewriting logic for evaluating a concatenative language. < 1601317948 448602 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: O, OK. < 1601318228 926661 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1601318282 630953 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1601330022 135446 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. 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Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1601330339 940536 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601331384 883814 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601331410 930711 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601334365 975655 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1601335026 395301 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601336792 896872 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1601336844 621183 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1601336894 859015 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1601338239 30405 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1601341454 24957 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601345977 7696 :adu!~arobbins@76.111.99.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601348575 942354 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601348593 978061 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1601348650 96898 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1601349836 744162 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77767&oldid=77284 5* 03Conor O'Brien 5* (+25) 10Add in-site attribution > 1601350564 834266 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:BrainF9914]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77768&oldid=68494 5* 03BrainF99 5* (+9) 10 < 1601357490 711167 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601357509 928121 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1601360464 332 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1601364762 549662 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601364789 829496 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1601366200 129744 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1601366938 670788 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1601367020 726208 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1601367030 259836 :adu!~arobbins@76.111.99.194 QUIT :Quit: adu < 1601367047 798284 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1601367083 869357 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601367992 40026 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1601368000 909353 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu QUIT :Client Quit < 1601368020 808744 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1601368409 328458 :kspalaiologos!~root@206.ip-51-91-102.eu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1601369354 226452 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-166.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1601378220 459014 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601378761 895490 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1601378789 884240 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1601381039 394746 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-166.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: Lunch < 1601381096 10700 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1601381123 706382 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1601381620 953376 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601382538 525542 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1601383552 849601 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1601384310 916088 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1601384327 941196 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1601385626 295095 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 JOIN :#esoteric > 1601386008 845753 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77769&oldid=77565 5* 03Void 5* (-35) 10Update Agoric Papers link < 1601387243 595934 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601387270 702638 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1601388226 140108 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601388750 824148 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601388815 59954 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-166.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1601391733 591616 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601391901 917596 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1601391910 607904 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1601392517 749932 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.8 < 1601393013 379457 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1601393116 788244 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, when did Agatha become so scary? It's hard to tell, with Lucrecia being removed so recently... < 1601393585 584073 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: here: https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20090504#.X3NTpHWYVhE < 1601393940 434621 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: True, there was that outburst. But that was with Lucrecia inside, so... it's tricky :P < 1601394000 45471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There were a couple of later outbursts including one or two where Agatha actually lost control.) < 1601394022 866229 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the outbursts are Agatha but the high emotions let Lucrecia take control < 1601394034 685752 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :plausible < 1601395250 348698 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-202-166.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1601396311 271792 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1601399006 807179 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1601399334 959868 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Quit: gone too far < 1601399943 95661 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1601400504 646727 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1601401027 859548 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tponbxdqtfpxmwel QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1601401032 323185 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tppirwslmjxiosbo QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1601401047 701598 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fuhbusxageqvscyf QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601401060 276481 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kohrwacbaxkbctnw QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1601401097 864733 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-edgdmbvwrsdqgipa QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1601401172 417561 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mihcxfhnomxcbhyw QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1601401491 472097 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1601401699 401532 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ikwgvrkvdecferlh JOIN :#esoteric < 1601401827 10206 :^[_!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fxdjmwbbnqygzcyt JOIN :#esoteric < 1601402346 88326 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oymjiupjrtcxewbp JOIN :#esoteric < 1601402427 214292 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ghllrllcelwjrztm JOIN :#esoteric < 1601402681 899549 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dllgnnsvoefupqfs JOIN :#esoteric < 1601403077 446660 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dqisxbnwyiakuigz JOIN :#esoteric < 1601404615 464506 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a website where you can upload random coupon codes for online shops or services, with fields like website, detailed description, code, is it use-once or multiple use, coupon expiry date; and other people can search for such coupon codes in case there's one for the service they're just about to use? < 1601404656 384678 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is. but for the life of me I can't remember which. < 1601404941 185354 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it this one? https://www.retailmenot.com/ < 1601405206 485533 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's only for codes that an unlimited amount of users can use, not single-user coupons < 1601406731 717700 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601406745 685591 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1601407043 679033 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601407074 223693 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1601409301 220909 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Circles14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77770&oldid=73521 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+15) 10Update categories > 1601411693 544630 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77771&oldid=77513 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+247) 10/* Circles? 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< 1601421067 962325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least some form of PM2.5. < 1601421934 697056 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601422303 408347 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar ehdl < 1601422303 994753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :EHDL 292325Z AUTO 17003KT 110V190 6000 BR BKN010 BKN012 OVC016 14/14 Q1016 GRN < 1601422306 699861 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601425598 344674 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1601427300 884010 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1601427700 521709 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601427995 716339 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn FTW stands for "forgot the words". < 1601427998 657452 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'ftw': FTW stands for "forgot the words". < 1601428261 703959 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1601428475 853790 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1601428979 265062 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lwxumhsktpumvthk QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601429019 549579 :wmww11!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-iatphkxiumuxsyrt QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1601429584 99906 :wmww11!wmwwmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fictjxvqgdtzlofg JOIN :#esoteric < 1601429804 514925 :tswett[m]!tswettmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-zlrlvvucgdxsavkq JOIN :#esoteric < 1601432097 805147 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pudzkctdeqiszjlo QUIT :*.net *.split < 1601432097 948400 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lstfnintbamvabrb QUIT :*.net *.split < 1601432098 51377 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1601432098 892373 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1601432098 892427 :izabera!izabera@unaffiliated/izabera QUIT :*.net *.split < 1601432098 892438 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1601432115 509690 :SoniEx2!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601432128 20536 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-thsriowqmdkgjing JOIN :#esoteric < 1601432138 54207 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vsgumlixxzyhfqxc JOIN :#esoteric < 1601432412 806887 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601432412 806939 :izabera!izabera@unaffiliated/izabera JOIN :#esoteric < 1601432412 806946 :paul2520!~paul2520@unaffiliated/paul2520 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601434985 227611 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601435062 506169 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601435100 140939 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1601435137 122720 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1601435423 772851 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601435529 511552 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1601435643 105398 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77772&oldid=77753 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+361) 10Add a cat program > 1601435705 237656 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Zirconium14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77773&oldid=77772 5* 03RocketRace 5* (-84) 10Fix ~~~ in programs being interpreted as a signature < 1601436503 115943 :ineiros!ineiros@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1601446192 552121 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601446794 934723 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mkcgzxyjbsqlhhyc QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1601446803 218830 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dllgnnsvoefupqfs QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1601446816 604912 :dog_star!sid310875@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-phkzvfkekfdoyghp JOIN :#esoteric < 1601446830 507890 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ndqbdjnvwphadjhw JOIN :#esoteric < 1601448362 226356 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1601448629 36003 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1601449181 224765 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1601449733 515474 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a Turbo Pascal program, I wrote "if Data = GlobalTexts[iy] then" but it says type mismatch error. Even though the type of "iy" is "integer", the type of "Data" is "^string" (it is actually a field in a record type), and the type of "GlobalTexts" is "array[0 .. 3] of ^string" (a global variable). < 1601449942 914597 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what is wrong with it? < 1601450116 211741 :kkd!~memxor@unaffiliated/kartikeya QUIT :Quit: bye! < 1601450125 468387 :memxor!~memxor@2400:8902::f03c:92ff:feac:6d1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601450125 778193 :memxor!~memxor@2400:8902::f03c:92ff:feac:6d1 QUIT :Changing host < 1601450125 881156 :memxor!~memxor@unaffiliated/kartikeya JOIN :#esoteric < 1601450230 455353 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1601450230 455415 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1601450255 907766 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-010.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1601450289 645841 :spruit11!~unknown@86.82.44.193 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601450559 691849 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing the type of GlobalTexts to "array[0 .. 3] of pointer" allowed it to compile, but I don't know why the other way doesn't work, or if that would be a correct program, anyways. < 1601452504 859724 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-74.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1601453322 555984 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1601453355 379564 :memxor!~memxor@unaffiliated/kartikeya NICK :kkd < 1601453384 265617 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1601453443 806223 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601454374 239355 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-29.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1601456064 843979 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601457560 834509 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great. so apparently the most common lightbulb sockets all have names, they're called E24 for the normal 230V screw socket, E14 for the small 230V screw socket, GU10 for the 230V bayonet socket, etc; but < 1601457626 159039 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type of halogen lightbulb that I'm looking for doesn't have a proper name for its socket, so it's hard to search for in webshops. It's apparently called an R7 or R7s socket, but that denotes two different sockets with different lengths, 78mm and 118mm, or reflector lamp socket. < 1601457638 964689 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't they use a name? < 1601457745 848189 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightbulb_socket and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Lampholder_sockets lists some of the names < 1601457944 267004 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-201-29.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1601458080 564753 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-19.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1601464692 566486 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-19.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1601468392 212049 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-19.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1601469355 57747 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1601475875 721142 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601475902 906469 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601476176 634155 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601477183 563878 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1601478183 358221 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1601478347 695580 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601478356 641928 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1601481666 574909 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1601481998 80944 :cpressey!~cpressey@79-72-200-19.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1601482533 350592 :V!v@anomalous.eu NICK :v < 1601482744 505883 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1601482766 661585 :v!v@anomalous.eu NICK :V < 1601488018 925364 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-101.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1601494794 155725 :SoniEx2!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 QUIT :Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1601495780 635116 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 JOIN :#esoteric > 1601497500 287013 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Circles14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77774&oldid=77770 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-25) 10Update categories to Circles version 1.1 < 1601500829 921549 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a x86 assembler that makes output suitable to be included in a Turbo Pascal program? < 1601500929 637063 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, is there a documentation about the calling convention of Turbo Pascal programs? I should think that would be helpful if you can to include inline code in the program.) < 1601501613 330376 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This file https://github.com/asiekierka/reconstruction-of-zzt/blob/master/SRC/VIDEO.PAS contains inline x86 code in some procedures; in addition to raw byte values it can also include variable names, and there are also comments with the instruction names. Maybe this was written manually (I don't know), but it may be helpful to do so automatically, too. < 1601504559 24969 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.83.26.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1601504675 541161 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601505778 130465 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601506767 408339 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1601507078 280827 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1601507465 355436 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601507497 283244 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1601507520 520338 :Arcorann!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1601508445 636228 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1601508627 249744 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1601508644 778603 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1601508707 644073 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1601508839 638443 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1601509091 642779 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds