< 1602548224 515908 :user3456!user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-gpfjxzcglwrhbpjs PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried reading the docs and couldn't get it to work :/ < 1602548285 567868 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates <-- this? < 1602548369 766576 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions <-- forgot, read this as well < 1602548373 297413 :user3456!user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-gpfjxzcglwrhbpjs PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1602548436 279158 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of the #if function, forgot that it was a parser function < 1602548441 654109 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not that important < 1602548473 739821 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1602549205 421225 :user3456!user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-gpfjxzcglwrhbpjs PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up < 1602549244 785152 :user3456!user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-gpfjxzcglwrhbpjs PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw fizzie you can delete the non CC0 image of the trash can < 1602549508 225781 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that if you have a good justification to believe it, "Not much is known about this user, but from what can be seen from the esowiki irc bot this person is nothing more than a furry themed spambot" may be OK; if it is wrong, they can change it by themself, I think. < 1602549638 322794 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :@metar lowi < 1602549638 710954 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOWI 130020Z AUTO 18002KT 9999 FEW007 SCT010 BKN030 05/04 Q1016 < 1602550001 594247 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yes, delete the non CC0 image of a trash can. If the image is used somewhere significantly, add a public domain one if you have one, I suppose > 1602550127 601169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Fizzie 5* 10deleted "[[02File:Ambox delete.png10]]": Deleted old revision 20201012234513!Ambox_delete.png: Accidental upload of a non-CC0 image < 1602561210 272052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does x86 have both "xchg r/m64, r64" and "xchg r64, r/m64" encodings? < 1602561257 201332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, it doesn't. < 1602561288 360692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather they're both listed but they have the same encoding. < 1602561826 6479 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1602563489 554322 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) < 1602568241 582085 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1602569532 197198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Husk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77966&oldid=69990 5* 03Razetime 5* (+683) 10 < 1602574701 812281 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1602575186 254793 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HTPL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77967 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+2727) 10Proposal for a Hypertext Programming Language (HTPL) > 1602575290 286959 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HTPL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77968&oldid=77967 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+15) 10 < 1602575293 46098 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu > 1602575304 114791 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HTPL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77969&oldid=77968 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (-15) 10/* WIP */ > 1602575523 251834 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HTPL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77970&oldid=77969 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+135) 10added history > 1602576528 39665 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HTPF14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77971 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+1708) 10Proposal for another Brainfuck equivalent < 1602576561 261489 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1602576564 144525 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HTPL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77972&oldid=77970 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+26) 10 < 1602576663 783032 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1602577731 839624 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Hppavilion114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77973&oldid=72237 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+389) 10/* HTPL, thoughts? */ new section > 1602577898 419640 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:ThisIsTheFoxe14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77974 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+216) 10/* Hi ^-^ */ new section > 1602577975 69656 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:ThisIsTheFoxe14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77975&oldid=77974 5* 03ThisIsTheFoxe 5* (+33) 10/* Hi ^-^ added email */ < 1602578184 24886 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1602578389 281843 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bdozkuiapmitgpwh JOIN :#esoteric < 1602578585 957888 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.68.224 JOIN :#esoteric > 1602578698 23240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sabdt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77976&oldid=77822 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+10844) 10/* Positive Int Multiplication */ > 1602578747 634233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sabdt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77977&oldid=77976 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+25) 10/* Brainfuck Interpreter */ < 1602579004 841630 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1602580596 558153 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gzdsbixrodfnaeuw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1602581576 461707 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sabdt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77978&oldid=77977 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+773) 10/* Brainfuck Interpreter (No Nested Loop Support) */ < 1602586937 492394 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1602586970 867813 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1602589839 299579 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.68.224 QUIT :Quit: wvw /o/ /o/ /o/ < 1602591280 980003 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1602591296 800426 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1602591468 999629 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1602591601 804200 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 JOIN :#esoteric < 1602592757 904939 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bdozkuiapmitgpwh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1602597116 260805 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1602597331 538362 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03RedstoneDave 5* 10New user account < 1602597334 603533 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.70.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1602598548 271594 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1602598801 251995 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1602600018 248579 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.70.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm extremely confused. < 1602600147 364087 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in the right channel for that < 1602601694 989348 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.70.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the being confused that's so unpleasant, it's the feeling stupid because of it. < 1602602254 712677 :cpressey!~cpressey@88.144.70.115 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1 < 1602602300 75347 :rain1!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that feeling < 1602603701 975560 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1602604061 940922 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1602604069 801241 :LKoen!~LKoen@lstlambert-657-1-123-43.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1602604090 713099 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1602605415 946159 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-13.soborka.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1602606180 360480 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1602606283 860714 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1602606475 552112 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1602606502 384673 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be smart, stay dumb. < 1602607243 215124 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1602607615 312480 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1602609387 869366 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-otrbcamcuucnncmo JOIN :#esoteric < 1602610041 317376 :diverger!~div@titan.pathogen.is JOIN :#esoteric > 1602610950 82541 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Stax14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77979&oldid=76780 5* 03Cameron 5* (+297) 10/* Programs I've made with it */ Updated multiplying code, I was so dumb when I made the first one. < 1602614865 219266 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1602615234 556878 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey do you know what precise relation is between the Fibonacci-base numbering and the golden ratio base? < 1602615297 478809 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem to be related and at first I thought they are two different kinds of Ostrowsky numeration for the same number (φ) but the golden base doesn’t seem to be < 1602615351 208992 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d be very glad for a treatise on mixed non-integer base numerations < 1602615577 788855 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :golden is not(?) a generic non-integer base due to the rule “prefer 100 to 011 and so on” and I can for example come up with a similar silver base system (for χ := √2 − 1) where the rule is “prefer 100 to 021”, and it’s also related to the “Pell base” analogous to Fibonacci base and being a kind of Ostrowsky system again, unlike(?) that silver system < 1602615689 419933 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make sense of the full generality, what can I do and what mixed non-integer bases are able to make unique representations of numbers by adding such linear rules, and how they connect to continued fractions (golden and silver seem to connect) < 1602615805 466492 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, not only unique representation but also monotonicity: in silver base, 1 → 10 → 11 → 20 → 100 → 101 → 110 → 111 → 120 → 200 → 201 → 1000 → … is an ascending sequence < 1602615846 591294 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one picks 021 over 100 and so on, that sequence would not be monotone < 1602615882 352734 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be a part of some theory but I’m yet to stumble where to read on it < 1602615977 335264 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw that the last digit in the sequence doesn’t go up to 2 is analogous to Ostrowsky systems too. There it’s allowed to take one less value than for all other digit positions < 1602616078 202318 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though that’s not the case for the golden system?.. but both Fibonacci and Pell comply) < 1602616103 963091 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you if you know something about all this < 1602616386 732648 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw you can read about that two Ostrowsky things in Andrew Mansfield Rockett, Peter Szüsz “Continued fractions”, in II.4 < 1602616426 234859 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :en.wiki article misfused me a lot < 1602616698 425544 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about all that in application to timbre design: harmonics at what ratios to the fundamental can a timbre have to have useful properties, e. g. being sufficiently like “harmonic timbre” ℕ. For example we want for our timbre to not clash with itself when multiplied by φ like harmonic one would, and we want something less boring and spacey than {1, φ, φ², …} < 1602616788 96916 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I took a golden system and it adviced me to add 1 and φ − 1 consecutively to fill the blanks < 1602617115 493250 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though now I think it would be better to use 1 and φ and consider an interval between 1 and φ irrelevant). In the same vein one may use a “snake” of adding 2(√2 − 1) and 2 − √2 to √2 to make a timbre which endures multiplication by √2 and is again “not sparse” < 1602617126 340318 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1602617149 90446 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow I didn’t need to close that < 1602617597 313165 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1602617641 283406 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two things I hate about clothing and shoes and suchlike is (1) the shops where I buy them suck, and they're in shopping malls that are even worse; (2) the models get replaced too quickly, but they have unpredictable quality and lifetime, so by the time any product is proven to be long-lasting and good, it's too late to buy another copy < 1602618256 158445 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: agree < 1602618326 527219 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap < 1602618347 95485 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one of the jeans that I bought is wrong < 1602618359 164095 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1602618372 246287 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try to return this one since it's unused < 1602618383 769123 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this store has a return policy < 1602618490 368139 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no darn it < 1602618492 928565 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just labelled it < 1602618499 806002 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably can't return < 1602618504 873550 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dislabelled? < 1602618515 188689 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, labeled < 1602618535 6115 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, I decided I'll at least try to figure out which jeans last longer < 1602618546 774056 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for that I have to mark them when I bought them so I can identify them < 1602618556 773999 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1602618582 354954 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wrote on its sewn-in washing label in pen, because that's semi-permanent, as in survives a few washing cycles before it fades enough that I have to rewrite it < 1602618592 950624 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I noticed that this one has no belt loops < 1602618630 377627 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for more elegant trousers I do check that, because they sometimes come with belt loops for narrow belts only, and I don't wear narrow belts < 1602618647 38495 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don’t worry maybe they’ll accept it back anyway? < 1602618667 863273 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1602618668 328431 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is a cheap C&A jeans, and I'm tired, so I didn't think it would have that problem < 1602618672 315213 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, I'll figure that out later < 1602618682 823861 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1602618687 588370 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s too late for that nonsense today < 1602618925 829591 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1602619082 579285 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+/Algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77980&oldid=77894 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+113) 10Parity < 1602619562 192667 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-otrbcamcuucnncmo QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1602624211 586411 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@cpe-24-208-148-153.insight.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1602624218 318178 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@cpe-24-208-148-153.insight.res.rr.com NICK :delta23 < 1602624372 999044 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1602624636 927879 :LKoen!~LKoen@81.255.219.130 QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1602625910 994816 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot JOIN :#esoteric < 1602626893 263168 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1602629394 842121 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-13.soborka.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1602629716 530639 :wesleyac!~wesleyac@bouncer.wesleyac.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1602630123 154798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't make heads or tails out of this IPv6 issue. It works on the ISP's supplied router. I've snooped on all outgoing traffic from it (by putting a bridge in-between), and there isn't really much that's different, other than of course the MAC addresses. < 1602630322 979841 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some routers have MAC address cloning, in case the problem is the MAC addresses < 1602630533 490642 :t20kdc!~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1602630572 482277 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and you have checked if that router has settings that reveal something? < 1602630579 436977 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, settings that you as the end user can configure? < 1602630714 710525 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also isn't some of that traffic encrypted so you can't snoop it with a passive bridg?E? > 1602630802 627582 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Turing machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77981&oldid=77930 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-1) 10Undo revision 77930 by [[Special:Contributions/OsmineYT|OsmineYT]] ([[User talk:OsmineYT|talk]]) (correct grammar) < 1602631171 882432 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apparently do get ipv6 connectivity from home, with an address that the computer autoconfigs with the ISP's local modem-router < 1602631448 737389 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, by the way, doesn't get NATed, so I guess that means you can directly connect to some of the listening services on my computer, without having to access the local wifi < 1602631489 157729 :RTFM[ChOkO]!~RTFMChOkO@rtfm-ctf/founder/choko QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1602631527 765084 :RTFM[ChOkO]!~RTFMChOkO@159.203.106.84 JOIN :#esoteric < 1602631568 221814 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh in particular < 1602631671 628894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on what "that traffic" means, plain IPv6 neighbor discovery and DHCPv6 isn't encrypted in any way. < 1602631747 187201 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that isn't, sure, but I wonder if the router has to do authenticate that you're the specific user that pays for the internet service, of if the distant router knows that automatically from which cable the data is coming from < 1602631763 979600 :Luciole!znc@freenode/staff/firefly QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1602631789 737026 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1602631823 655740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, it should Just Work, and it always has so far. The ISP's (official) attitude towards third-party routers is that they'll provide only very limited support, but they're not going to intentionally break them. < 1602631857 261453 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. so I just keep their modem+router, even if I may put my own router behind them < 1602631900 629887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's probably something particularly fundamentally wrong, because I don't even get a response for the ICMPv6 neighbor discovery on the link-local addresses, even though the messages are pretty much identical. < 1602631933 58306 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, I don't (yet) have a router behind it, and most of the time I only have one computer behind it so far, the one desktop computer, with occasional guest devices connected through wifi, but in my parent's house there was a system of like a router or two and four switches including two wifi or somesuch < 1602632014 658407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also managed to catch the ISP's router doing a firmware update immediately when I plugged it in, which I guess I should've expected.) < 1602632053 364836 :Arcorann_!~awych@121-200-5-186.79c805.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1602632055 75795 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cables pulled to two additional rooms through the attic, plus to a neighbor, and the modem and most of the devices were in the room that my parents used them, where my father often had like six desktop computers connected for reasons of his work. I don't know how it changed these days, but of course there are much more smartphones. < 1602632857 859743 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1602633481 807954 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-99.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably get one of these dynamic dns services so that I can host silly stuff on my home desktop towards the internet. presumably one that does both ipv4 and ipv6, since the isp gives me connectivity through both.