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< 1604019405 513976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why must consumer router software be so horrible? Been poking around the firmware of my ISP's bundled box, which I don't normally use but had to plug in for diagnostics, which immediately slurped in a firmware update on first boot (over plain HTTP, even) so I got an image to look around in.
< 1604019438 957510 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-13.soborka.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why any other software is that horrible? Why firefox updates so often?
< 1604019518 379039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think other software is as horrible, in general.
< 1604019524 373270 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-13.soborka.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it is
< 1604019570 459777 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-13.soborka.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I boot windows 10, it updates each time, as well as dropbox client
< 1604019607 59066 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But updates don't mean that the software is horrible, per se.
< 1604019622 368120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think update frequency is really that big of an issue.
< 1604019623 51104 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might just be big and get incremental improvements in various areas.
< 1604019652 221925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only mentioned the update because it's what got me to start looking around.
< 1604019668 773519 :aaaaaa!~ArthurStr@host-91-90-11-13.soborka.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, but frequent updates is a sign that developers in constant hurry
< 1604019668 992121 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consumer routers are cheap and not expected to last long, and the software development is bound to be feature-driven.
< 1604019693 337224 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You outsource each feature to one or two CS students ;)
< 1604019711 456724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did the same exercise on the router I got from an ISP back in Finland a decade ago, and so far it seems to have been equally terrible.
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< 1604019828 648053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, to be fair, the hardcoded root account's password is no longer trivial. That old one was "ztedebug:ztedebug", this new one I don't even know the actual password to, just a md5-crypt hash.
< 1604019910 890829 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you googled the hash?
< 1604019923 558784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I didn't find much.
< 1604019935 106841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the line in the boot script that starts telnetd is commented out, so it might be you can't really do much with that account, assuming the web interface doesn't use the system accounts.)
< 1604019977 663264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If it does, it might well have a different hardcoded account though.)
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< 1604050036 74903 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it run an sshd?
< 1604050046 32515 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^
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< 1604051273 356552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: No. Or at least I saw no evidence of that. The boot script does mention an ftpd though. Should maybe check what ports are open if I actually boot it.
< 1604052367 361206 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah. and perhaps check both from the LAN port and the internet connection side, and both ipv4 or ipv6, because if the router software were designed sanely, then they might restrict listeneres that the ISP use only to the interfaces and/or protocols that they use to control your router
< 1604052387 180756 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needn't be on the default port obviously
< 1604052478 168539 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though looking for stupid bugs in the user-facing web configuration interface, like those infamous stupid ones that let you run any shell command without authentication, might be more productive
< 1604052531 491675 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also, have you searched online for other people testing this ISP's modem router?
< 1604052564 874103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost certain it's going to have at least one shell injection problem in the web interface, because the other one had more than I could count.
< 1604052594 10671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess it's theoretically possible they've learned something since then.
< 1604052623 480961 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this time it will only have shell injection that checks your password first?
< 1604052673 576021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be, but if it has a hardcoded debug account with an unchangeable password, that's not too great either.
< 1604052687 303809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if it counts as a modem when it's only got Ethernet ports in it.)
< 1604052707 659580 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't those accounts for two different interfaces though? your password for the interface intended to the customer; hard-coded debug account for the interface intended for the ISP
< 1604052775 606549 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :only ethernet ports => ah ok, you have a point. I am using one with a COAX cable towards the ISP's side, but I heard one of the two other ISPs does have one of the ethernet ones
< 1604052784 234420 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/COAX/coax/
< 1604052802 218119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily. At least the previous one had one for the normal web interface, which wasn't even listening on the WAN side.
< 1604052858 479797 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and was that debug login always active, or only right after a reset until you change your password?\
< 1604052871 981381 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a debug account after a reset might make sense
< 1604053260 878293 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess you can't test that
< 1604053282 917010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It worked when I tried it (after having set my own password for the normal "admn" account), so I think it was always on. Not really sure what its purpose was.
< 1604053312 123580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't test anything regarding that specific router-modem (it had a DSL thing), I no longer have it.
< 1604053437 393512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the ISP side, I think they've got that standard remote configuration thing, TR-069.
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< 1604057580 367275 :kspalaiologos!~palaiolog@176.221.123.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have there been any attempts at esolangs with graphs / trees as their primary data structure?
< 1604057685 753573 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eodermdrome?
< 1604058215 706671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also writing something a little less tarpitty, but didn't really finish that.
< 1604058230 990769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Grasp
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< 1604059357 383281 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: does https://esolangs.org/wiki/Treehugger count? its data memory is a binary tree (with the two children distinguished)
< 1604059393 454353 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it's shaped as an infinite complete binary tree, and programs write or read symbols in the nodes
> 1604059594 575984 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Treehugger14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78261&oldid=49906 5* 03B jonas 5* (+8) 10damb see also
< 1604059749 616381 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kspalaiologos: apparently there's https://esolangs.org/wiki/Hydra which uses ordered (non-binary) trees
< 1604059761 965420 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe unordered? I dunno
< 1604059842 48811 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can find more if you use the https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Search to search for "tree" or "graph" 
< 1604059891 54066 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's https://esolangs.org/wiki/Punctree by arseniiv
< 1604059930 959994 :wib_jonas!25bf3cd1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.191.60.209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, "Computational class: To be announced"
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< 1604084507 473115 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed the new home speaker. the bass sound is not particularly good, but then I'd probably need a larger and more expensive speaker to get better bass sound
< 1604084521 290807 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sad part is that tiny earbuds can do better bass sound than this
< 1604085167 389099 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas:  :'(
< 1604085253 309399 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's getting more suspicious, because I saw a bright blue flash and heard a silent pop, as if something sparked in it
< 1604085258 823829 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still apparently working
< 1604085267 435031 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-25.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this doesn't inspire confidence
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