< 1605226586 726692 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are making hashcash, I think that the padding of SHA1 only needs to be implemented once unless the length changes, and maybe some other stuff too I don't know. Since, it requires calculating the hash many times until enough first few bits are all zero. < 1605226683 821796 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also had a idea of a variant, which uses "timestamp:version:resource:bits:random", where the timestamp is preceded by its length, and there is no counter field (it is not needed since the random field can be used). It uses only base36 and base64, and a line feed must be appended when calculating the hash. > 1605228668 342767 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfunc14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78545&oldid=72350 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-2) 10/* Functions */ Essential for looping < 1605230942 233127 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.223.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1605231049 523677 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@46.217.216.229 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1605236827 183879 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1605241686 191155 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1605242985 457646 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1605243069 901980 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@75.107.60.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1605243656 143056 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1605243668 140724 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com NICK :delta23 < 1605243759 409992 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1605247312 448371 :Frater_EST!adrianbibl@75.107.60.35 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1605247691 580156 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1605252580 978008 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1605255493 133348 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.223.48 QUIT :Changing host < 1605255493 133400 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1605256563 693385 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1605256590 316415 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1605259370 396844 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1605260485 595905 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: bug ais523 about feather on dec 14th or afterward (it's 10 year anniversary on the wiki) > 1605263725 939560 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Election 202014]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78546 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+2424) 10+[[Election 2020]] > 1605263728 298828 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78547&oldid=77372 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+20) 10+[[Election 2020]] < 1605270334 694335 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1605271806 17661 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the chess any% world record speed run" < 1605272391 826361 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1605272528 444174 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone TASed a chess game to get a fool's mate once < 1605272569 39316 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*5-move mate --> http://tasvideos.org/2677S.html < 1605272625 512664 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*3-move mate < 1605272699 459497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Takes damage to save time? < 1605272798 277325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No major glitches?) < 1605272886 129315 :LKoen!~LKoen@9.253.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1605272999 353525 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was more or less a quote from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYP3FL7mDX8 ...I found it funny :) < 1605273027 463954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard if you're playing black, there's a frame-perfect trick you can do that lets you move two pieces at once. < 1605273248 729466 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it involve any opportunistic toilet breaks? > 1605273553 350719 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NestFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78548&oldid=78544 5* 03Someguy004 5* (+344) 10/* Examples */ < 1605275287 223624 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: is that a two-player one, or one versus the computer?\ < 1605275380 416316 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a one-player one. I See. < 1605275408 470964 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that castling? < 1605277514 318536 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1605277629 867380 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1605279953 573460 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NestFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78549&oldid=78548 5* 03Someguy004 5* (+87) 10 < 1605280463 418116 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1605280586 368289 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78550&oldid=78505 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+153) 10 > 1605280605 291357 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tetrapyronia14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78551&oldid=78498 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+52) 10 < 1605281270 446758 :LKoen!~LKoen@9.253.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1605282981 331328 :TheLie!~TheLie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1605283411 834571 :sparr!~sparr@2604:a880:800:10::103:f001 QUIT :Changing host < 1605283411 834645 :sparr!~sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr JOIN :#esoteric < 1605284925 498663 :LKoen!~LKoen@9.253.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1605285332 967581 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78552&oldid=78475 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+127) 10/* Languages */ bfos > 1605286670 120509 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bfos14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78553&oldid=78538 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+782) 10Specify commands\ < 1605287251 149775 :LKoen_!~LKoen@9.253.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1605287425 509331 :LKoen!~LKoen@9.253.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1605290331 969758 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: well, the video is making a joke about an actual two-player match that happened < 1605290435 751296 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From that odd pogchamps event where they pitted high profile streamers against each other.) < 1605290569 202986 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Apple is fighting the good fight and adding ads to their... mobile phone settings menu? < 1605290637 747815 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :among other things. < 1605290647 699800 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :like crippling your machine if you don't send them updates on what you're doing. < 1605290789 169364 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1605290846 10216 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1605290890 632634 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And crippling your machine when you do send them updates on what you're doing? (They had an OCSP server outage that caused non-Apple apps to fail to start) < 1605290919 30798 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I'm referring to. < 1605290950 562291 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, but it's logically the opposite :P < 1605290989 452553 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you live so well with a log jam in your ass. < 1605291021 657890 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many assumptions < 1605291155 30472 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is pondering how this happened... but in the mobile phone case, the system started out as stupid and inflexible and closed... and the vendor platforms that we have now are still more open than the things of the past. So we "just" missed the opportunity for the revolution to demand and seize complete control of the smartphones when they were new. < 1605291499 870155 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: right. and they even managed to get my relatives to keep complaining that I should get a smartphone, and trying to explain to me in very reasonable ways why it would be good for my own sake if I got a smartphone, and how it would solve the very problems that I'm complaining about (but forgetting about the problems that it would cause) < 1605291536 667366 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: the problem is really that both variants make sense; one is a form of nudging, the other is a weird accident in an otherwise invisible mechanism. < 1605291559 790024 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that it's in place in the first place is an unmitigated disaster. < 1605291597 839586 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's for your own security! < 1605291617 676859 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Hmm. I'm only hearing that they're convenient, not that they solve any actual problems. < 1605291653 406453 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I'm talking about my relatives. they know me and what I need and what they have to tell me, they can tailor what they say to my individual problems < 1605291664 495540 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1605291664 909351 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not talking about the advertisments < 1605291684 841489 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :advertisments invent problems for whatever they want to sell < 1605291694 259739 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :problems that you didn't even know you had < 1605291709 925941 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"don't worry about us, all we want is your attention" < 1605291722 257102 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly they do use smartphones, so it's at least preaching what they practice < 1605291744 713903 :LKoen_!~LKoen@9.253.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1605291759 14051 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, they're talking into a cellphone when they explain why I should get one < 1605291785 868600 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm sitting in front of a 26 inch monitor when I explain to them why I don't want one < 1605291918 247615 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :two years ago I gave into the smartphone thing. since then, I've had to deal with the god damn things breaking all the time. my family, being used to flip phones that were nigh-indestructible, broke everything. screens, buttons, etc. < 1605291929 343595 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :bought 'em CAT S61s. < 1605291941 653600 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the only thing I worry about is their privacy. < 1605293115 535136 :LKoen!~LKoen@9.253.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1605294041 43785 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NestFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78554&oldid=78549 5* 03Someguy004 5* (+1) 10/* Examples */ < 1605295709 305636 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1605295821 593907 :madjidNRL!~madjidnrl@197.205.11.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1605295871 929221 :madjidNRL!~madjidnrl@197.205.11.149 QUIT :Client Quit > 1605296182 260350 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C()14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78555&oldid=69733 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-773) 10Blanked the page < 1605299248 122302 :LKoen!~LKoen@9.253.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1605300133 641504 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot < 1605300787 412380 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1605300949 896960 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1605301308 263930 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1605301357 480078 :deltaepsilon23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com NICK :delta23 < 1605302084 56299 :LKoen!~LKoen@9.253.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1605304812 148467 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78556&oldid=75377 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-873) 10Blanked the page < 1605305870 875152 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1605306976 805816 :also_uplime!nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1605307083 61703 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/technology/no-software-glitches-are-not-affecting-vote-counts.html ... 'The problem, election security experts and state officials concluded, was that an election worker had configured ballot scanners and reporting systems with slightly different versions of the ballot, which meant some results did not line up with the right candidate when officials loaded them... < 1605307089 70442 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...into the system.' < 1605307100 990408 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :This irritates me slightly, why are there different versions of the ballot? < 1605307223 232228 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe they had a testrun. https://eu.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/ speaks of a missed update. < 1605307320 198293 :also_uplime!nchambers@learnprogramming/staff/nchambers JOIN :#esoteric < 1605307746 984984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'd be nice to for once vote in an election that has a ballot with all kinds of questions it. In Finnish elections, you write in one number (or draw a rude picture, or write in "Donald Duck", if you're of that kind), and that's it. AIUI, the US ballots are proper long. < 1605307867 287371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also curious: in Finland the standard Disney character for a protest vote is Donald Duck, while I understand in US it's Mickey Mouse. < 1605307894 891478 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? Disney character as protest vote? < 1605307895 182952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something to do with the relative popularity and familiarity of the characters. < 1605307903 310714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what we (and US) do. < 1605307909 769684 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1605307913 807749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_vote "Write-in votes may also indicate protest voting; in the United States, Mickey Mouse has historically been a popular choice." < 1605307921 987393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't know specifically why. < 1605307973 968622 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do worse for the standard fictional character.... < 1605308019 240239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, we're mentioned on that page too. < 1605308029 435612 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought if you wanted to invalidate your ballot, the canonical choice was to mark the first two options or candidates in the list < 1605308041 439110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the parliamentary elections in Finland and Sweden, voters have also used Donald Duck as a protest vote.[9] In Ukraine, the Internet Party nominated Darth Vader for mayoral elections in Kyiv and Odesa, and tried to nominate Darth Vader for presidency, although this application was rejected.[10]" < 1605308078 24882 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1605308197 721955 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Codidact (SE alternative that launched because of that moderation fiasco a couple years back) just launched a codegolf site if anyone's interested. Though when I say just launched i mean it, it's only a few hr old. https://codegolf.codidact.com/categories/49 < 1605308246 252305 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ballots can get pretty sizeable without tricky questions, just due to the sheer number of choices... like 15 parties and 25 direct candidates... < 1605308307 948428 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the winner of the election is a fictional character or is someone who has been dead for more than one year, then there should be no president, and they have to wait for next year to make another election. < 1605308415 447802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I guess, but I was really thinking about the part that you fill out. In our case, it's usually like an A6 sized piece of paper with a big circle in one half, and you write your candidate number inside and fold it in half. < 1605308481 231229 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah. Here you get a long long list with circles for each candidate... and you mark one of the circles. < 1605308512 661392 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the list is the ballot. < 1605308541 928411 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :voting systems are interesting... there are so many of them < 1605308557 689151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly we should get to vote on what's the best one. < 1605308568 406599 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in your case, how do you know you have the right list? < 1605308591 111413 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always easy to find flaws in other systems ;) < 1605308618 487627 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :voting, by and large, is based on a huge pile of trust that nobody (well, not I) wants to think about. < 1605308620 575450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how it works in sort of absentee-style cases, but at least for in-person voting, the list's taped on the wall of the voting booth. < 1605308636 54260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably they check every now and then that nobody's replaced it. < 1605308705 437325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or just trust that it would be noticed, at least I've always cross-checked between what the web said and what's on the wall.) < 1605308711 839449 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it also published in newspapers and online so you can verify that the whole polling station isn't colluding against you? < 1605308720 767130 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1605308742 509113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly published online. And all the candidates put their number in their own ads. < 1605308775 342066 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems reasonable enough < 1605308776 251663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and there's the official candidate board things, these street stands with everyone's faces on them. At least for the presidential elections that have a lot less people. < 1605308815 138887 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I bet it saves quite a bit on paper < 1605308826 899870 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also effort during counting < 1605308839 338965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.skphelsinki.fi/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/10p%C3%A4iv%C3%A4vaalit2012_0017_edited-1.jpg sorta like that. < 1605308853 428194 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine having to unfold 50cm of paper for each vote... < 1605308887 460833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think those must be the boards for the parliamentary ones, I guess every party gets one or something. Not sure how those are divided up.) < 1605308890 831560 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of faces < 1605308973 44135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly I should've just gone to the Wiki instead of Google image search: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Finnish_parliamentary_election_2019.jpg < 1605309009 148749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fun (probably pretty commonplace) fact about the numbers: nobody gets to be #1, they start numbering from #2. < 1605309045 819477 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ours tend to look more like number 7 from the left... one or two faces at most. < 1605309060 520072 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we certainly have a #1 < 1605309110 540220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 2019 parliamentary elections had a total of 2468 candidates. < 1605309114 700363 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, the order of parties is based on the current makeup of the parliament in question... and the same order is used for direct candidates. < 1605309125 450796 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Germany, and Austria too, I believe) < 1605309155 836481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But nobody gets to pick from the full list, the country's split to 13 regions and you can only vote for people from your own list, the sizes of which were 117-492. And one with 5.) < 1605309171 339334 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's still quite long < 1605309198 700344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I may have kind of given up on reading everyone's self-description. > 1605309237 654424 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Elvm14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78557 5* 03Jay-jayjay 5* (+318) 10Created page with "==[https://github.com/shinh/elvm Elvm]== [https://github.com/shinh/elvm Elvm] is a compiler infrastructure (similar to LLVM) for esotoric (and some non-esotoric) languages. It..." > 1605309253 275099 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Elvm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78558&oldid=78557 5* 03Jay-jayjay 5* (-41) 10 < 1605309335 881559 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Germany, for the federal level we have a list per district, and only one direct candidate per district is elected... and then a second vote that decides the distribution of party seats (a proportional vote). So the former list tends to have one candidate per party and a few without affiliation. Oh and you can't run in several districts anyway. The latter list... well, the parties make a list... < 1605309341 891329 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...of candidates that they fill up their seats from, but you don't vote on those. < 1605309464 401029 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is not without problems... mixing winner takes all and proportional voting this way means that parties can end up having more direct candidates than mandates from the proportional vote. Historically, they could just keep the extra seats. Currently, the size of the whole parliament is increased to the point where the proportions are correct. In the future... who knows.) < 1605309508 550547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. We've got a proportional representation thingamajick too, so even if you're voting on candidate X from party Y, your vote may be in fact responsible for getting candidate X' from party Y elected. It's some kind of a d'Hondt thing, where the most popular candidate from party Y gets a score that's the total number T_y of votes for party Y, then the second gets T_y/2, the third T_y/3, and then the N < 1605309511 673562 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I expect that almost every country has their own idiosyncratic complications in the election system. < 1605309514 563508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :highest scores (across all parties) get chosen. < 1605309576 620146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's a lot of strategizing, and two or more (smaller) parties can do a union thing to make their candidates treated as from one party, in order to get at least someone in. > 1605309653 816688 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Elvm14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78559&oldid=78558 5* 03Jay-jayjay 5* (+1218) 10 < 1605309673 470225 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the point was... because each party tends to have one direct candidate per district, that's the face you get to see in that district... and then generic ones (party leaders, chancellor candidates) that are the same across the country. < 1605309720 251083 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you have such long lists, that also explains the many faces on the posters < 1605309768 339451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. I guess with our method, there isn't really any drawback for a party to add more candidates (within reason), because if they get a few votes that way, it'll all just sum up to the pot for the popular people they know will get elected. < 1605309826 227348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a picture of what it looks like in the voting booth: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Valb%C3%A5s_med_riksdagskandiidater_Finland_2019.jpg#/media/Tiedosto:Valb%C3%A5s_med_riksdagskandiidater_Finland_2019.jpg < 1605309852 483283 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complete with poorly adhering masking tape holding it up. < 1605310034 980765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I had completely forgotten our local far-right extremists (Perussuomalaiset) had one of those electoral alliances with the religious ones (Suomen Kristillisdemokraatit). Makes sense, but still. < 1605310062 338052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same with the liberals and the nerds (not their official names). < 1605310781 565786 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, sounds weird < 1605310785 958881 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdly interesting < 1605310823 759774 :LKoen!~LKoen@9.253.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”