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00:50:18 <b_jonas> fungot, what is the Kanto Pokedex index for a Zubat?
00:50:18 <fungot> b_jonas: frm, hedkvist petersen, hans karlsson ( pse), in writing.
00:53:44 <zzo38> Actually I have a book of that. The answer is forty-one.
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09:37:33 <Taneb> I think I've made an esoteric dice rolling program, I can't quite figure out if it's possible to do a D&D 5e "roll with advantage" with it
09:38:17 <Arcorann> What features does it have?
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09:39:47 <Taneb> Hang on, I'll post the spec I've written somewhere
09:40:17 <Taneb> https://gist.github.com/Taneb/d8871c6a09b38ba316a8ab93b1696c16
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09:47:28 <Taneb> (it takes inspiration from dc and Underload)
09:57:40 <Taneb> Aha, '20d;20d-+l(-+0)<xp' does it :D
10:15:07 <Arcorann> Neat
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12:42:08 <olsner> I can see that becoming standard notation for dice rolls
12:45:35 <int-e> @dice 3d6-1d20
12:45:35 <lambdabot> int-e: (2+2+2) - 15 => -9
12:46:09 <int-e> three 2s, really?
12:46:11 <int-e> @dice 3d6-1d20
12:46:11 <lambdabot> int-e: (1+3+1) - 7 => -2
12:46:32 <int-e> @dice 3d6-1d20
12:46:32 <lambdabot> int-e: (4+6+4) - 6 => 8
12:51:36 <esowiki> [[Decision shrub]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78605&oldid=78604 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+35) see also
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12:52:45 <esowiki> [[Decision tree]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78607&oldid=78606 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) Link to decision shrub
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13:05:46 <fizzie> We bought a box of candies that's essentially a 65d12, and got a result that had 0 of one specific kind; either we're very unlucky, or they're not using fair dice at the factory.
13:06:29 <Arcorann> Is there a calculator bot here?
13:07:13 <fizzie> There's a lot of different programming languages, the non-esoteric ones can pretty feasibly used as calculators.
13:08:38 <fizzie> > 1 + 1
13:08:40 <lambdabot> 2
13:09:48 <int-e> `` dc <<<'1 1+p'
13:09:50 <HackEso> 2
13:11:12 <fizzie> I wanted to add a dc helper so that you could do `dc x y z directly, but then it'd shadow the actual dc, and I couldn't come up with any alternative guessable name for the wrapper, I don't think there's a convention.
13:11:22 <Arcorann> Which one's the easiest to find 1 - (11/12)^65 in?
13:11:30 <fizzie> `` dc -e '1 1+p'
13:11:31 <HackEso> 2
13:11:58 <fizzie> I guess there could be a dc-e, because I think we've got a perl-e.
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13:12:24 <fizzie> `perl-e print 1+1;
13:12:25 <HackEso> 2
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13:13:39 <int-e> > 1 - (11/12)^65
13:13:41 <lambdabot> 0.9965026142016578
13:13:44 <int-e> > 1 - (11/12)^65 :: Rational
13:13:46 <lambdabot> 13972027618997412615763213033014351656206668630973030353623136688948981 % 14...
13:14:08 <int-e> err, right, that's a bit too much
13:14:23 <fizzie> Also, I initially intuitively thought it'd be (11/12)^65 too, but after some reflection, that feels more like the probability of missing a *specific* kind.
13:14:40 <int-e> Indeed it is :)
13:14:58 <int-e> Also, realistically... the kinds may always be biased.
13:16:07 <fizzie> Well, yes. Also, there was a news article saying they removed the one we were missing from production temporarily because of the covid thing (is there *anything* bad you can't blame the virus on?), but that was supposed to be over already.
13:17:05 <fizzie> For the record, this was about Quality Street, which is apparently a special kind of a thing here in the UK, but we'd never had.
13:17:23 <int-e> > let c n 0 = 1; c n k = c (n-1) (k-1) * n `div` k in sum [(-1)^k * (1-fromInteger k/12)^65 * fromInteger (c 12 k) | k <- [0..12]]
13:17:26 <lambdabot> 0.9585004275442837
13:17:52 <fizzie> Yeah, that could still plausibly happen.
13:18:29 <olsner> > 1 - 12*(11/12)^65
13:18:31 <lambdabot> 0.9580313704198934
13:19:17 <int-e> olsner: 12*(11/12)^65 accounts cases where there are fewer than 11 candies multiple times.
13:19:37 <int-e> but obviously it's a decent estimate :)
13:25:56 <b_jonas> fizzie: no way is it that simple. they probably have types of bonbons with different rarities, even if they don't tell you about it and they put an Island in a rare slot as distraction.
13:26:18 <b_jonas> ah, I see int-e already said that
13:27:17 <b_jonas> it needn't be slots for different rarities like in M:tG, there are other ways to implement different rarities of bonbons, and with 65 bonbons you don't need a guaranteed rare to make it feel fair
13:29:04 <b_jonas> fizzie: btw, if each bonbon is chosen independently and uniformly from n bonbons, then you need in average n*log(n) bonbons to find at least one of every type
13:29:40 <b_jonas> "coupon collector problem" is the search keyword
13:30:56 <b_jonas> and that's natural logarithm, and the actual average is a harmonic number, for which this is a good approximation except for n=2 or n=3
13:31:26 <b_jonas> no wait\
13:31:41 <b_jonas> it's supposed to be n*(log(n)-1) right?
13:31:44 <b_jonas> I'm stupid
13:31:58 <b_jonas> make it n*(log(n)-1) then
13:34:52 <b_jonas> or maybe... maybe it's n*log(n) and the average is n plus the harmonic number?
13:34:58 <b_jonas> I've no idea how this works
13:35:03 <b_jonas> sorry
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13:44:12 <Arcorann> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupon_collector%27s_problem <-- It's n * H_n ~ n * (log n + gamma) where gamma is the Euler-Mascheroni constant (0.577...)
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14:56:06 <b_jonas> fungot, how many acows do you suppose the farm has if they have to hire six maids to amilk them?
14:56:06 <fungot> b_jonas: mr president, i asked you to endorse my group's motion, for we want to see a large step forward in the intense debate which occupied the committee on budgetary control, by which i mean true tolerance and not that expressed in the debate.
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15:05:38 <int-e> no amaids?
15:05:48 <b_jonas> amilk sounds like a unix system call, with a random letter like lseek and pread
15:06:30 <int-e> surprisingly not all 5 letter combinations are unix system calls
15:10:27 <b_jonas> int-e: of course not! some clash with established function names from the C library, like clogf, so to clog a file you have to call fcntl with the right arguments instead
15:12:30 <b_jonas> although in some cases you get something where the system call name still exists but the libc wrapper function is called differently, like the exit system call, where the libc wrapper function used to be called _exit, but now that's not good enough for linux either, so now _exit is the wrapper for the system call exit_group just to be confusing
15:12:49 <b_jonas> and no, _Exit isn't it either, that's just a synonym for _exit
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15:14:24 <b_jonas> also some five letter combinations are K&R C keywords, like break, float, short, union, while, so the corresponding system calls had to be renamed after unix married C
15:14:49 <b_jonas> so we have brk and cbrk instead of break now
15:14:50 <fizzie> I know 'l' in lseek is for "long", but never really thought what 'p' in "pread"/"pwrite" might be for.
15:16:15 <int-e> positional?
15:16:44 <b_jonas> fizzie: what does it stand for in pselect and ppoll? does it stand for POSIX anywhere?
15:17:15 <int-e> there's also the p in pthreads, which would indeed be POSIX
15:17:30 <b_jonas> ah true
15:18:14 <b_jonas> and I think it stands for process in ptrace
15:18:23 <b_jonas> (as well as in getpid)
15:18:54 <int-e> (pread seems particularly useful in threaded programs)
15:20:13 <b_jonas> the most mysterious letter prefix is of course u. we have a pretty good guess what it stood for in umount, but there's uname, utime, ustat (obsolete), ulimit (also obsolete)
15:20:14 <int-e> though the more common convention is an r suffix, which may be for re-entrant?
15:20:18 <b_jonas> and umask
15:20:39 <b_jonas> int-e: I think that's a libc convention, not a linux convention
15:21:00 <int-e> why can't they be the same :P
15:21:13 <b_jonas> and there's the v in vfork
15:21:42 <int-e> otoh, in a world where not even programs can get a uniform convention on their command line arguments...
15:22:24 <b_jonas> as for that, I think gnu's long option parser was a big mistake
15:22:29 <int-e> firefox -no-remote -ProfileManager <-- this took me a long time to get correct consistently
15:23:02 <b_jonas> int-e: no, that's just because firefox changes everything once every few years. I think that command has changed at least twice.
15:23:40 <int-e> Well, not in the past 8, maybe 10 years, I think?
15:23:55 <b_jonas> also it's (firefox --no-remote --ProfileManager) according to the output of (firefox --help) – wait, maybe I should try (firefox -help) just in case
15:24:03 <int-e> it's just that one is CamelCase and the other is hyphenated. It's pretty bad.
15:24:15 <b_jonas> nope, firefox -help still shows double dashes for the long options
15:24:42 <b_jonas> int-e: yeah, they changed that one long ago. I'm a long-time firefox user, contiguous with netscape and mozilla suite.
15:25:40 <int-e> I've also been using it since forever, but I don't know when I started using temporary profiles.
15:25:46 <int-e> Which is what I use that command for.
15:25:56 <b_jonas> ok, this gives me an esoteric idea. have a program print different style of options if you invoke it as (foo help), (foo -h), (foo -help), (foo --help), (foo -?), (foo /?)
15:26:47 <b_jonas> I don't use temporary profiles, but I have used multiple profiles a few times, partly to get different firefox processes to coexist easier, and partly to have different settings, including proxy settings
15:26:51 <int-e> and it's quite possible that I've made it through one transition (change of the spelling of those flags) without fully realizing it.
15:27:03 <b_jonas> right now I have a firefox profile for a library proxy
15:27:17 <b_jonas> for accessing some articles on JSTOR and such databases
15:27:59 <b_jonas> btw, I have two different things giving me access to some JSTOR articles, but not all, so now if I meet an article on JSTOR to which I don't have access, I have to waste time trying both of them
15:28:13 <b_jonas> it's like the two watches problem
15:28:16 <int-e> I try to minimize this, but sometimes I need to use a site that sets tons of cookies from multiple domains... and it's easier to just use a fresh profile, do some stuff, and then discard the whole thing again.
15:28:46 <int-e> easier than adding all the prerequisites to the whitelists.
15:29:34 <b_jonas> int-e: isn't that what the "new private window" thing is for in firefox, for not remembering new cookies and similar after you close all windows derived from that?
15:30:01 <int-e> this still wouldn't disable the addons that do the filtering
15:30:03 <b_jonas> oh
15:30:07 <b_jonas> you mean to disable filtering
15:30:08 <b_jonas> ok
15:30:24 <b_jonas> makes sense
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21:40:31 <arseniiv_impostr> Sense of smell left me today. Feels bizzare. Alcohol-based solution just makes nose warmer inside. Ammoniac still does something radical but it doesn't feel like usual extremely foul smell. And that's when I'm otherwise getting better for a couple of days already
21:42:17 <arseniiv_impostr> I was lucky to be able to smell vanilla powder just before it shut off completely; now I can't
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21:44:42 <arseniiv_impostr> Nose washing didn't help too, if anyone's interested. I hoped it would return vestiges of smell for a short time but no. Don't know what other experiments I could make
21:46:49 <arseniiv_impostr> Be safe!
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21:48:37 <esowiki> [[PANOPTES's Dumb Burger Thing]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78647&oldid=78630 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+50) cats
21:49:26 <esowiki> [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78648&oldid=78622 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+108) /* External resources */ cats
21:50:11 <esowiki> [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78649&oldid=78648 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+25) /* External resources */ This is essentially stack-based
21:52:00 <esowiki> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78650&oldid=78644 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+35) /* P */ Add [[User:PANOPTES]]'s language, [[PANOPTES's Dumb Burger Thing]]
21:56:19 <esowiki> [[Objects In Mirror Are Heavier Than They Appear]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78651&oldid=75272 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+12) clarify
22:01:43 <esowiki> [[Objects In Mirror Are Heavier Than They Appear]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78652&oldid=78651 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+122) /* Object movement */ Finish a sente
22:02:57 <esowiki> [[Particle automaton]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78653&oldid=75042 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+22) see also
22:03:38 <esowiki> [[Bully automaton]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78654&oldid=72659 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+64) see also
22:04:25 <esowiki> [[Cellular automaton]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78655&oldid=57289 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+67) /* History */ see also
22:23:11 <esowiki> [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78656&oldid=78585 * LegionMammal978 * (+0) fixed link
22:30:38 <esowiki> [[Dotcomma]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78657&oldid=78271 * LegionMammal978 * (+6) fixed name
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22:42:25 <zzo38> Fossil allows "fossil help", "fossil -help", and "fossil --help", although "fossil --version" doesn't work (although maybe they fixed that in a new version), and "fossil /help" results in a segmentation fault (maybe they fixed that too).
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23:00:01 <b_jonas> ...
23:00:17 <b_jonas> a segmentation fault is probably not supposed to happen, but I wouldn't have thought of typing /help because nothing takes that
23:00:24 <b_jonas> it's /? for any program that takes slashes
23:01:23 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[Elvm]] to [[ELVM]]: fix capitalization
23:01:39 <esowiki> [[ELVM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78660&oldid=78658 * LegionMammal978 * (+6) fixed name
23:05:41 <fizzie> "git: '/?' is not a git command. See 'git --help'. The most similar commands are: am gc mv rm"
23:05:49 <fizzie> ...they're not *that* similar. Okay, fair enough, the Levenshtein distance is just 2.
23:22:59 <esowiki> [[Segmentation Fault]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78661&oldid=78624 * LegionMammal978 * (+6) fixed name
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