< 1605916802 554993 :diverger!~div@92.119.177.22 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1605916813 646221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Super Stack!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78812 5* 03Aanastasiou 5* (+840) 10Minor note in an attempt to contact user Orange > 1605916855 282141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Super Stack!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78813&oldid=78812 5* 03Aanastasiou 5* (+96) 10 > 1605920998 882396 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07ABC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78814&oldid=69396 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+38) 10/* Discussions */ cat < 1605922436 530157 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.217.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1605922496 421516 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@46.217.218.71 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1605922550 185463 :LKoen!~LKoen@169.244.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1605926670 366985 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1605927416 358014 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1605933069 694913 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1605935479 313595 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, I'm that crazy dude from a few months ago that was using an implementation of The Waterfall Method in Magic the Gathering to make the biggest finite combo possible < 1605935482 700851 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if the machine loops, neither player can progress the game and it is a draw) < 1605935551 986390 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a few questions for ais523 (or really anyone who knows TWM) that could help optimize < 1605935678 433374 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there ever progress in working out if the "flooding" version was turing complete? < 1605935731 131762 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it as it didnt look hopeful, but was maybe possible? < 1605935904 556167 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the minimum number of clocks to be Turing complete? The Spiral rise page has 6+halt clock, is that still the known minimum? < 1605936166 502321 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we are limited to ~130 clocks (number of creature types in MTG/2) Can we make a UTM that only needs its initial waterclock values reset without changing the actual programming? < 1605936206 890776 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks a lot for your help < 1605936321 409579 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often, new creature types are added in newer versions of the rules, after more cards are added. < 1605936369 105537 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it is slow < 1605936412 460032 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt there will be a creature type explosion with 50+ new ones < 1605936500 966050 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; just figure out the minimum number of clocks needed to make the UTM you mentioned, I suppose. < 1605936542 640046 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but I don't know how to do that >.< < 1605936555 393079 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :build that UTM < 1605936644 789632 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also just to show where we are targeting, current best estimates put our last mostly working deck at BB_w^2+w+3_(X) < 1605936723 338535 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think is meant "The Waterfall Model", not "The Waterfall Method", isn't it? < 1605936734 98349 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes sorry < 1605936858 452814 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BB_0_(X) = BB(X) BB_1_(X)=BB^X(X) (X nested applications of Busy Beaver) < 1605936921 385122 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1605936943 493818 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that w^2 +w+3 number is from the Fast growing hierarchy < 1605936959 157112 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1605937284 426307 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Shahrazad exceed Turing complete? < 1605937491 968281 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt really help as our opponent would start decking if we recursed too far, and the benefit in the main game is negligible < 1605937709 116250 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do keep all of the previous versions of the rules as far as I can (I may be missing some; I don't know), mainly for the purpose of puzzles. (I should keep track of changes of Oracle texts too probably, since sometimes there are relevant changes.) < 1605937729 980737 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if any of these changes will affect the constructions you have described. < 1605938248 473220 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the construction works in the current rules < 1605938427 669309 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I expected that, but I was mentioning in case some things may be sensitive to such changes < 1605939431 766286 :user3456_!user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-anembnlwrgsujsgf NICK :user3456 < 1605940172 75922 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a (orthodox) puzzle which depends on the exact number of possible creature types? < 1605940300 170282 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, is it possible to do this with land types?) < 1605945867 81000 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for creature types the puzzle is something like: Opponent has Coat of arms, Precursor golem, and X 3/3 golem tokens, You have Artificial evolution and Lightning bolt < 1605945909 836873 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if X is too big you cant kill all of the golems > 1605947670 63709 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RarVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78815&oldid=78808 5* 03Void 5* (+77) 10Add link to .pdf presentation < 1605948548 621015 :BB42!4925260f@c-73-37-38-15.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually that doesnt work as you can do 3 to all the golems then make them cats or w/e one by one) < 1605948668 636047 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@46.217.217.57 QUIT :Changing host < 1605948668 636094 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1605949304 798104 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1605953382 2450 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1605953459 155085 :myndzi!myndzi@tetrisguide.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1605953873 176221 :gridog!~gridog@68.235.43.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1605954038 107643 :gridog_!~gridog@89.45.6.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1605954236 393079 :gridog!~gridog@68.235.43.109 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1605955099 487806 :diginet!~diginet@107.170.146.29 QUIT :Quit: diginet has quit! 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