2020-11-01: 00:01:19 [[Dotcomma]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78271 * Redwolf10105 * (+7191) Created page (copied from Github repo) 00:02:19 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78272&oldid=78259 * Redwolf10105 * (+15) 00:13:55 so, i've been thinking 00:14:03 if there was a variant of brainfuck with only 00:14:08 <>+- 00:14:19 but with the difference that programs could be infinitely long 00:14:32 would that make it turing complete? 00:16:56 Doubtful, since you've removed all the commands that depend on the state of memory 00:17:45 shouldn't it be possible to implement conditionals based on these? the program would be really large if possible.. 00:17:59 Conditioning on what? 00:18:32 ie simulating a turing machine using the above and simulating conditional flow 00:19:30 Question still stands: what would the conditionals depend on 00:19:49 i'm not sure 00:20:20 i've been trying to figure out if it's possible to do that without looping/explicit conditionals 00:25:21 i know that the above instructions are at least as powerful as a linear bounded automata if said infinite program repeats infinitely(ie within a infinite loop) 00:45:05 -!- esowiki has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 00:45:42 -!- esowiki has joined. 00:47:05 -!- FreeFull has quit. 01:22:00 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 01:24:10 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 01:38:16 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 01:38:58 ah nvm 01:39:20 it seems somebody has done something similar b4 01:40:04 Link? 01:42:00 https://github.com/ebuswell/noneleatic (they needed to add some more functionality and also self-modification to get it to be turing complete) 02:04:42 tends to be the case unless you have explicit conditionals. 02:09:38 What if you add a catch block for value out of range? 02:24:26 tromp: hmm, not a hard one though (re: ponder) 02:34:12 I think I prefer the ones that benefit from a bit of programming. 02:41:29 `learn The password of the month is Florida Recount 2.0 02:41:32 Relearned 'password': The password of the month is Florida Recount 2.0 02:46:28 Uh oh. 02:46:37 I guess it's time to vote. 02:56:36 Do you like my idea of "Malaclypse the Younger" Un-card? (This card makes all intervening if clauses true, including keyword abilities (such as evolve).) 03:51:26 -!- APic has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 03:51:56 -!- APic has joined. 03:56:18 [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78273&oldid=78262 * Tetrapyronia * (+63) Added Waduzitdo 04:11:02 -!- MDude has quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)). 04:17:01 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 04:55:07 Does any pinball game have progressive difficulty for extra balls? 07:09:28 -!- Lymia has quit (Quit: Hugs~ <3). 07:22:46 -!- Lymia has joined. 07:48:29 -!- grumboo has changed nick to grumble. 08:11:08 int-e: yes, easy but cute. even the bonus is easy, 09:08:15 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 09:10:23 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:42:20 -!- LKoen has joined. 09:53:07 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 09:53:34 -!- LKoen has joined. 09:56:24 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:02:25 -!- mniip has quit (Ping timeout: 600 seconds). 10:23:37 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:30:06 -!- Strykar has joined. 10:30:17 -!- Strykar has left. 10:45:02 -!- mniip has joined. 11:44:10 -!- FreeFull has joined. 12:02:19 -!- arseniiv has joined. 13:01:09 [[Talk:Queuenanimous]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78274&oldid=78270 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+247) /* Definition of [ and ] */ Will clarify in article 13:02:26 [[Queuenanimous]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78275&oldid=74923 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+80) /* Commands */ Clarify 13:10:59 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 13:16:09 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Quit: hendursa1). 13:16:24 -!- hendursaga has joined. 13:20:28 https://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/ponderthis/challenges/November2020.html i dont understand. what list of numbers do you start with? 13:23:14 i get it 13:32:03 `olist 1218 13:32:07 olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1218.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas 13:32:44 i dont think i can do this ponder - i had a look at easier cases like 7 and 127 but i kinda dont understand what to do 13:33:02 rain1: so ponder it 13:33:55 also don't talk about it too much, you might spoil things 13:39:03 is there a place i can ask about this without spoiling? 13:43:29 I don't really know... get a friend interested, talk to them in private :P 13:48:51 or you could wait a month and then ask here when the challenge isn't so fresh 13:48:56 -!- Frater_EST has joined. 13:49:10 there is that 13:50:04 or perhaps look for one of these web-based message boards with their newfangled HTML technology, they tend to be more structured than IRC so it's easier to hide a spoiler such that people who don't want to read it yet won't accidentally see it 13:50:18 This one isn't really all that amenable to hints that aren't spoilers. Generic problem solving advice applies, of course... work forward, work backwards, try to show that it can't be done to get ideas, sleep on it, blah. 13:50:42 (youngsters and their formatted text and bulky servers that archive everything...) 13:51:01 There's always ROT13 13:51:15 sure we can do rot13 a month from now 13:52:04 jul pna'g lbh whfg fgneg jvgu gur gnetrg ahzore va lbhe yvfg? 13:52:15 Arcorann: this one has a small but relevant competetive component 13:52:27 Fair enough 13:53:40 > 2^31 - 1 > 1000000000 -- ebg13 jbexf ernyyl jryy sbe guvf 13:53:43 True 13:54:06 lol 13:54:47 oh that clarifies the meaning of "remaining number" for me 14:00:47 ebg13 jbexf ernyyl jryy sbe guvf <-- http://rot8000.com/Index 14:05:40 would someone check my solution please? 14:05:50 i can PM it 14:06:16 Arcorann, is that chinese? 14:06:48 -!- Frater_EST has left. 14:12:05 I don't mind checking your solution 14:12:42 Depends on what you put in. But most of the BMP is the CJK unified ideographs (4E00-9FFF), so that's quite likely to be where you land in. 14:13:10 yeah, pastebins work too, put the spoiler in a pasted page, the non-spoiler part with a link in irc 14:38:23 eval "$(cat somefile)" instead of source somefile . gets today's useless use of cat award. 14:40:02 Is it completely useless? If `somefile` is a pipe special file this ensures that EOF is reached before evaluation starts ;) 14:40:28 int-e: dunno, I think it's worse than useless 14:40:43 as in it might break in some case 14:40:54 but I don't know any case when it would actually break 14:40:58 I'm just looking for a semantic difference and pretend it's a feature. 14:41:36 if you're fresh out of PIDs or root file system, then the `cat` invocation may fail. 14:41:53 int-e: let's say it's a performance difference: we're no longer in the DOS age where the shell has to keep re-reading the same sector of the batch file before each command just to save memory 14:42:17 but then source with bash doesn't do that anymore, it has proper buffers behind it 14:42:32 so it does the optimization better than requiring to read the whole file at once 14:43:04 to be clear, I'd write `source somefile` or `. somefile` under most circumstances. 14:43:09 I guess they differ in how they treat the positional parameters $@ 14:43:39 but that's not stopping me from finding a narrow use for the cat thing :P 14:44:09 (Especially since I recently saw a whole script wrapped in a subshell for a similar purpose) 14:44:37 Namely, here: https://get-ghcup.haskell.org/ 14:45:14 normally I'd say that eval "$(cat somefile)" is worse because if something fails, the backtrace won't be able to show the correct filename and line number into the source code, but for the shell this doesn't actually apply, it doesn't show filenames and line numbers anyway I think 14:45:29 * int-e notes the channel name. 14:45:43 int-e: how about, it's easy to change from cat to zcat to transparently execute possibly compressed source files? 14:45:47 * int-e rejects all notions of utility. 14:46:14 generalizing to zcat is cute too 14:46:32 though I expect . <(zcat file) to work. 14:46:44 (in bash) 14:47:46 well ok, but that pipe substitution is a "new" feature (in that I started to write scripts in bash before bash 2, back when it didn't even have the ${foo/bar/qux} substring substitution... I'm old) 14:47:59 so perhaps the eval was written before that existed 14:48:22 The pipe substitution is the best thing bash ever stole from zsh. 14:48:45 (At least that's where I think I saw it first.) 14:49:15 I'm using it *a lot*. 14:49:17 isn't the {1..20} numeric brace thing the best thing bash ever stole from zsh? 14:49:49 stuff like comm -12 <(... | sort) <(... | sort) 14:50:10 But I'm using the {01..20} thing much less. 14:52:34 I'm using the brace numerics a lot when I move photos to category directories after I copy them from the memory card of the camera, since I generally have contiguous sequences of more than two photos that I took at the same location and that go into the same category 14:53:19 so it's like mv -vi tmp/P11901{08..13}.JPG bp/ferenc/ 14:53:24 sure 14:53:56 It's useful, it just feels comparatively mundane. 14:54:04 hmm, now I actually have to look up if I have a P11901{08..13} and which category they're in 14:55:39 not yet, that number is in the future apparently 15:01:45 -!- MDude has joined. 15:08:26 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:09:54 -!- LKoen has joined. 15:10:37 -!- Arcorann has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:11:44 -!- Arcorann has joined. 15:12:50 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:21:32 -!- Arcorann has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:26:26 -!- LKoen has joined. 15:36:37 I do, and they're a subset of the source images of a panorama (p1190107-114.jpg) taken from https://www.espoo.fi/en-us/housing_and_environment/Streets_and_Transport/Pedestrian_and_bicycle_traffic/Espoos_Waterfront_Walkway back in 2013. 15:37:42 http://zem.fi/tmp/p1190107-114.jpg 15:51:44 -!- adu has joined. 15:52:48 are there other ponders that you recommend? 16:21:12 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 16:26:44 rain1: it's not from that series, but there's always the mind bug https://esolangs.org/logs/2019-08.html#llj that we tried to optimize last year, and I should probably eventually get back to it, but I realized that the method that I wanted to use wouldn't quite work, so I'll have to figure out what exactly to do 16:38:27 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Hiromi-mi * New user account 16:39:07 -!- kspalaiologos has joined. 16:48:36 whew it looks tough for me 16:57:27 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78276&oldid=78265 * Hiromi-mi * (+145) /* Introductions */ 16:58:53 -!- limbo_ has joined. 16:59:03 hello 16:59:41 is this an occult channel 17:00:05 have a look at the topic 17:00:26 [[Waduzitdo]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78277&oldid=63151 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24) Category languages 17:00:29 `welcome limbo_ 17:00:31 limbo_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) 17:04:04 um im not a programmer 17:11:28 -!- limbo_ has left. 17:11:53 `grwp occult 17:11:58 tea:Tea is concentrated fuel made by distilling occult herbs in a silver alambic. Americans attempted to reduce its potency by dumping some in the Ocean. 17:12:27 no, the ocean is now obviously a giant cup of tee 17:12:31 *tea 17:12:47 "attempted" 17:37:38 wait, it has to be in a silver alambic? so that's what I was doing wrong! 17:39:10 -!- imode has joined. 17:41:51 -!- deltaepsilon23 has joined. 17:52:43 -!- deltaepsilon23 has changed nick to delta23. 18:04:03 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:09:42 -!- adu has joined. 18:12:32 -!- hendursaga has joined. 18:34:51 -!- Sgeo has joined. 18:36:17 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 18:46:01 -!- adu has joined. 19:05:13 `? spangle 19:05:15 spangle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 21:05:32 -!- kspalaiologos has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:32:26 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 21:38:39 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:09:35 [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78278&oldid=78273 * Tetrapyronia * (+39) Added Numobin 22:42:36 -!- Arcorann has joined. 22:50:28 -!- ski has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:52:09 -!- ski has joined. 23:03:49 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. 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Also ended the Table. 10:10:12 -!- ski has joined. 10:22:41 -!- Arcorann has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:22:46 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:23:03 -!- tromp has joined. 10:23:08 -!- Arcorann has joined. 10:24:49 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 10:27:54 -!- rodgort has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:29:56 -!- rodgort has joined. 10:30:51 -!- olsner has joined. 10:45:33 -!- LKoen has joined. 10:48:39 fizzie: hehe 11:25:57 [[NDBall]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78286 * Aspwil * (+3030) Created page with "'''NDBall''', "N-Dimentinal Ball" or NDB is an esolang made by [[Aspwil|User:Aspwil]] ([[User talk:Aspwil|talk]]) ==Language Overview== NDB is a lang where we have a ball tha..." 11:26:24 [[NDBall]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78287&oldid=78286 * Aspwil * (+5) 11:33:46 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:38:25 [[NDBall]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78288&oldid=78287 * Aspwil * (+68) 11:40:03 -!- xelxebar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:40:46 -!- xelxebar has joined. 12:02:43 idea: a hardware description esolang 12:05:46 That's just any hardware description language 12:05:49 They're all esoteric 12:07:11 -!- LKoen has joined. 13:11:13 -!- arseniiv has joined. 13:17:07 -!- Remavas has joined. 13:34:21 -!- Remavas has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:12:29 -!- HackEso has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:12:36 -!- HackEso has joined. 14:19:56 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Quit: hendursa1). 14:20:17 -!- hendursaga has joined. 14:26:28 -!- Arcorann has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:43:14 -!- LKoen_ has joined. 14:45:32 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:09:16 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:24:30 [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78289&oldid=78278 * Tetrapyronia * (+192) Added AmBored 15:38:31 -!- MDude has joined. 16:20:58 -!- adu has joined. 16:33:02 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 16:46:31 [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78290&oldid=78289 * Tetrapyronia * (+80) Added Tubes 16:46:47 -!- olsner has joined. 16:48:31 -!- LKoen_ has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. 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13:02:15 fizzie: mr president, this afternoon we are due to end in the united states to play a bigger role in the process of ratifying the treaty, except in the very near future. 13:14:17 * FireFly eyes fungot 13:14:17 FireFly: madam president, simplifying and updating the treaty has been neglected for too long now. i would like. firstly, we must respond to the remarks made by the commission and the council to implement. 13:15:47 * int-e ogles fungot 13:15:47 int-e: mr president, and this means that digital content offers an opportunity to return to the pollutants dealt with in the council on agricultural policy would have been a mere repetition of everything that the international mediation offered by president fnord of iran, of all places? our fellow mep, because i do not agree fully with that point. 13:20:15 fungot, do you mean that the president will authorize ratifying the treaty once he is sworn into power in 2021? 13:20:15 wib_jonas: madam president, if there is a curious range of percentages between 6% and nearly 80% in different member states and community procedures have nothing to say about families with three children, about the need to take to improve security in parliament. 13:20:57 'madam president' seems unlikely between the candidates this year 13:30:06 'Jo Jorgensen is the 2020 Libertarian Party presidential nominee.' 13:31:28 `quote general election 13:31:29 942) * ais523 challenges the americans here to remember who lost in the most recent UK general election ais523, the lib dems 13:31:41 [[C+++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78306 * 3s0!an9 b0y * (+10) Created page with "== C+++ ==" 13:33:05 [[C+++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78307&oldid=78306 * 3s0!an9 b0y * (+108) /* C+++ */ 13:35:11 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Quit: hendursa1). 13:35:30 -!- hendursaga has joined. 13:36:04 -!- LKoen_ has joined. 13:38:52 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 13:43:08 int-e: fair point, though again, unlikely :p 13:43:34 do they have write-in votes at the presidential election? 13:44:35 it'd be easier to just incapacitate enough presidents until the next successor is a woman. like, get Biden elected, then let them fall ill, then hope Hillary Clinton is sworn in instead. 13:44:42 FireFly: What if Biden dies today? 13:44:56 Does the VP candidate step up? 13:45:20 no idea 13:48:41 I read up on that recently. 13:49:00 int-e: then Trump would get elected, so that's not the best strategy 13:49:18 There were quite a few possible different outcomes depending on where exactly we are in the election process. 13:49:32 hmm, or maybe some voters would rather vote on a dead president than Trump, so it's not quite certain 13:49:36 Some of them do involve the VP becoming the president. 13:49:43 but still, I don't think it's the most effective method 13:49:57 wib_jonas: how? the votes are already in 13:50:09 Those votes don't select the president, though. 13:50:11 unless they repeat the whole ordeal 13:50:11 I'd suggest making him ill a week after the election instead 13:50:16 They only select members of the electoral college. 13:50:18 FireFly: oh, true 13:50:23 err, fizzie: 13:50:24 I think there was even a historical case where the electoral college were voting for someone who was already dead. 13:51:07 Judging from link colour, https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/16/what-happens-if-us-presidential-candidate-withdraws-or-dies-before-election-is-over-part-1/ is probably what I looked at. 13:51:10 the whole electoral college business is so antiquated 13:51:18 int-e: if all the votes are in, then how do we not know the final result yet? 13:51:58 wib_jonas: because they have to be counted 13:52:11 int-e: meh, that happens almost instantly 13:52:17 n-no 13:52:19 wib_jonas: in what universe? 13:52:32 well, depends on how you define 'almost instantly' I guess 13:52:38 "What if the winner of the November election dies or withdraws before the electoral college meets in December?" "This is the messiest situation and could unleash a lot of different maneuvers and disputes." 13:52:40 (and some may still be underway what with mail-in vote deadline extensions) 13:54:42 so they aren't all in? 13:55:47 the votes have been cast 13:56:00 fungot, are all the votes in? 13:56:00 wib_jonas: it is after all, for general coordination between the member states. that does not fall to the french authorities the best european experts in the field of external policy. we must put forward a new proposal. 13:56:57 I don't think this is the best time for a new proposal, fungot 13:56:57 wib_jonas: mr president, do you not think that we should not forget that we are now trying to produce global rules for the most part they fall victim to smugglers and traffickers of human beings. 13:57:19 * int-e observes fungot 13:57:20 int-e: madam president, i do not understand why the council refuses to endorse the report by mr garca-margallo y marfil' s report, but because this will help to defuse the repressive measures in this agreement on an agenda which has been spreading, with the objective of seven to ten billion us dollars of annual expenditure exclusively to combat hiv/ aids, malaria and tuberculosis. aware that the council has not examined any sp 13:57:38 global rules eh 13:58:16 also you said report twice 13:59:15 wib_jonas: the US also has a process by which ballots can be challenged 13:59:25 I expect it'll be a huge mess 13:59:32 yes, 13:59:38 `password 13:59:39 ^ 13:59:40 leonugksapbctyb 13:59:44 um 13:59:46 `? password 13:59:47 The password of the month is Florida Recount 2.0 13:59:54 ^ that 14:00:03 wib_jonas: not sure why you're showing that to *me* ;) 14:00:38 but I'll take it as a rare token of appreciation 14:32:00 -!- Arcorann has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:34:06 -!- MDude has joined. 14:34:51 `sed -i s/random/secrets /hackenv/bin/password 14:34:51 Usage: /bin/sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \ \ -n, --quiet, --silent \ suppress automatic printing of pattern space \ --debug \ annotate program execution \ -e script, --expression=script \ add the script to the commands to be executed \ -f script-file, --file=script-file \ add the contents of script-file to the commands to be exe 14:35:00 `sed -i s/random/secrets/ /hackenv/bin/password 14:35:01 Usage: /bin/sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \ \ -n, --quiet, --silent \ suppress automatic printing of pattern space \ --debug \ annotate program execution \ -e script, --expression=script \ add the script to the commands to be executed \ -f script-file, --file=script-file \ add the contents of script-file to the commands to be exe 14:35:36 `perl -pi -e s/random/secrets/ /hackenv/bin/password 14:35:37 ​-i used with no filenames on the command line, reading from STDIN. 14:35:40 ``` perl -pi -e s/random/secrets/ /hackenv/bin/password 14:35:42 No output. 14:35:46 `password 14:35:47 Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/password", line 3, in \ import secrets \ ImportError: No module named secrets 14:35:53 oh heck 14:35:58 `revert 14:35:59 Done. 14:36:04 `password 14:36:05 jefzvxkpacwmuaf 14:36:30 ah, it's running python2 14:36:50 ``` perl -pi -e 's/random/secrets/;s/python/$&3/' /hackenv/bin/password 14:36:52 No output. 14:36:55 `password 14:36:56 ​ File "/hackenv/bin/password", line 6 \ print "".join(secrets.choice(string.ascii_lowercase) for _ in xrange(15)) \ ^ \ SyntaxError: invalid syntax 14:37:03 ok ok 14:37:39 ``` perl -pi -e 's/print (.*)/print($1)/' /hackenv/bin/password 14:37:41 No output. 14:37:44 `password 14:37:45 Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/password", line 6, in \ print("".join(secrets.choice(string.ascii_lowercase) for _ in xrange(15))) \ NameError: name 'xrange' is not defined 14:38:00 gth 14:38:10 ``` perl -pi -e 's/xrange/range/' /hackenv/bin/password 14:38:13 No output. 14:38:15 `password 14:38:16 wwllaashmybugjb 14:38:19 oh finally 14:38:21 `5 password 14:38:23 1/1:qrafddczkdvqhwk \ rubbgzxsnknqlka \ ammojpjhjpvnuvn \ dvqapoearrthppe \ xdxcblxbmjdlsnu 14:40:33 -!- arseniiv has joined. 14:46:36 -!- adu has joined. 15:01:05 -!- wib_jonas has quit (Quit: Connection closed). 15:03:21 [[C+++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78308&oldid=78307 * 3s0!an9 b0y * (+321) 15:03:58 [[C+++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78309&oldid=78308 * 3s0!an9 b0y * (+30) /* Syntax Examples */ 15:14:19 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:14:27 [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78310&oldid=78290 * Tetrapyronia * (+100) Added MineFriff 15:46:54 -!- LKoen_ has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. 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Also, instruction for returning from subroutine is needed. ~~~~" 12:11:58 -!- wib_jonas has joined. 13:17:34 [[Braindumbed]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78314&oldid=78124 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+27) /* Half-adder or XOR */ Category unimplemented 13:18:59 [[A programming language is a formal language, which comprises a set of instructions that produce various kinds of output.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78315&oldid=60269 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+44) /* Implementation */ Obsessive categorization 13:21:01 [[Tellurium]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78316&oldid=47053 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+23) /* Instructions */ Add table header 13:22:27 [[Tellurium]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78317&oldid=78316 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+59) Categories; unpipe cross-namespace link 13:27:37 [[Chance]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78318&oldid=51752 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+177) Fix link to category; unpipe cross-namespace link; add categories 13:31:41 -!- rain1 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 13:41:27 [[Talk:Ragaraja]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78319&oldid=41483 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+271) Dead link and wayback machine 13:56:50 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Quit: hendursa1). 13:57:08 -!- hendursaga has joined. 14:32:12 -!- Arcorann has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:46:46 -!- rain1 has joined. 15:29:40 -!- FreeFull has joined. 15:42:21 -!- Sgeo has joined. 16:05:46 [[OSE]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78320 * 3s0!an9 b0y * (+274) Created page with "OSE, Standing for '''O'''dd '''S'''ymbols '''E'''nvironment, it literally is made with odd Unicode Symbols. Here is a ''Hello World'' program for example: Hello..." 16:26:44 -!- wib_jonas has quit (Quit: Connection closed). 17:03:58 -!- MDude has joined. 17:59:06 [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78321&oldid=78248 * Not applicable * (+1841) added wip, and added information 18:00:14 "3s0!an9 b0y" 18:00:17 oh boy 18:04:43 myname: itym "0h b0y" 18:05:20 Or should that be "1tym"? 18:05:50 17`//\/\ 18:06:57 @leet itym 18:06:57 iTy/\/\ 18:07:04 @leet itym 18:07:05 i7y/\/\ 18:07:21 @. . leet leet leet itym 18:07:22 Plugin `compose' failed with: user error (Unknown command: "|Eet") 18:07:29 ops 18:07:30 oops 18:07:45 @. leet . leet leet itym 18:07:45 i7y/\/\ 18:08:16 @. leet . leet leet oh boy 18:08:16 0|-| 80Y 18:08:39 I forgot about the line art variants. 18:54:36 -!- sprocklem has joined. 19:14:03 -!- empuD135 has joined. 19:20:46 -!- empuD135 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:22:08 -!- zzo38 has joined. 19:26:43 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:30:37 [[User:Not applicable]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78322 * Not applicable * (+65) Created page with "im not gonna pretend im a professional cause im not oh well hi" 19:49:07 -!- zzo38 has joined. 19:54:57 [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78323&oldid=78321 * Not applicable * (+417) added more stuff 19:58:09 -!- zzo38 has quit (Quit: zzo38). 20:16:48 -!- zzo38 has joined. 20:56:41 [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78324&oldid=78323 * Not applicable * (+1442) added MORE! 20:57:45 [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78325&oldid=78310 * Tetrapyronia * (+195) Added Puzzlang 21:14:06 [[Strelnokoff]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78326&oldid=33724 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+27) /* External resources */ Category probabilistic 21:17:57 [[N Refine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78327&oldid=74537 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+15) Math tags 21:17:59 [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78328&oldid=78324 * Not applicable * (+836) added yet moar 21:40:12 -!- rain1 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:48:20 [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78329&oldid=78328 * Not applicable * (+799) added command line & yet more 22:03:52 Some bits are unused in the IBM PC Color Graphics Adapter. (Someone asked about the two high bits of each control register are unused, but those bits are unavailable. Nevertheless, there are unused bits which are available.) 22:05:05 The unused bits which are available are MA13 in all modes, MA12 in graphics mode, the blink mode bit in graphics mode, and the palette bit in text mode. 22:05:38 MA13? aren't there only 11 registers? 22:05:42 The cursor position bits are also unused in graphics mode. 22:05:59 b_jonas: MA13 and MA12 are outputs from the 6845 IC. 22:06:37 [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78330&oldid=78329 * Not applicable * (+1054) h 22:06:53 I think you get the entire graphics buffer unused if you turn picture generation off. there's a bit for that to make switching between modes nicer. 22:06:57 (They are the address outputs. The PC doesn't use them.) 22:07:19 b_jonas: Yes there is, but that is independent from what I mentioned. 22:07:49 output? isn't it inputs that you want? 22:09:04 Yes, although the output address is by the input address (configured using the 6845 registers) plus the current screen offset. 22:11:36 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll0qHlx_qLg TIL 22:12:31 [[Asparagus]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78331&oldid=78330 * Not applicable * (-49) fix 22:17:10 [[User:Not applicable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78332&oldid=78322 * Not applicable * (+10471) 22:17:13 Do any computers use two 6845 display controllers on a single screen? 22:18:51 zzo38: does it count if I'm emulating two PCs with CGA outputs and I put their displays in side-by-side windows displayed on the one screen of the host? 22:19:05 I don't think I've ever done that, but I could 22:20:22 No, that doesn't count for what I intend to ask. 22:22:18 though even then I'd be emulating an SVGA card 22:22:35 it's just backwards compatible enough to display CGA modes 22:22:51 -!- Arcorann has joined. 23:10:04 it seems I foolishly deleted from the main backup the settings file I forgot to migrate. Hopefully it exists in external backups and not too old a version 23:10:42 arseniiv: settings for what? 23:10:51 VS Code 23:11:31 there was not too much customization but still I dread redoing all of it, especially as I don’t remember in detail 23:13:19 -!- imode has joined. 23:34:19 found a March version yay 23:43:11 -!- arseniiv has quit (Quit: gone too far). 23:43:20 [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78333&oldid=78331 * Not applicable * (+801) 23:45:45 [[User:Not applicable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78334&oldid=78332 * Not applicable * (-14) 2020-11-06: 00:42:36 [[Asparagus]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78335&oldid=78333 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+3) /* Errors, Warnings, and Status Messages */ Fix table 00:46:57 [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78336&oldid=78335 * Not applicable * (+1137) 00:47:15 [[Talk:Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78337&oldid=78311 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+371) /* Duplicate command line arguments? */ new section 00:54:00 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. 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(www.adiirc.com)). 05:59:57 I made prefix macros for my language and my head blew up. https://hastebin.com/opositutew.txt 06:00:30 turns out quotation as a first-class function of the language makes macros really fun. 06:00:37 new syntax in a couple of lines. 06:01:03 -!- SzZx has joined. 06:01:25 -!- SzZx has left. 07:44:26 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 08:06:05 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:07:29 -!- FreeFull has quit. 08:19:27 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:23:03 -!- imode has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.9). 08:41:10 imode: Do you have documentation? 08:54:01 -!- LKoen has joined. 08:59:06 -!- imode has joined. 09:07:17 . o O ( like a birth certificate ) 09:07:29 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 09:08:24 zzo38: not right now. but soon. 09:10:03 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:57:26 -!- rain1 has joined. 10:04:35 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 11:29:27 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:30:34 -!- LKoen has joined. 11:54:47 -!- wib_jonas has joined. 11:59:46 -!- sftp has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 12:02:31 `bardsworthlist http://www.bardsworth.com/?comic=he-said-it 12:02:32 bardsworthlist http://www.bardsworth.com/?comic=he-said-it: b_jonas 12:02:36 [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78342&oldid=78336 * Not applicable * (+33) 12:02:49 apparently this comic sneakily restarted, at a very slow pace, in 2020-03, and I haven't noticed since. there has been like ten pages since. 12:14:50 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:15:57 -!- LKoen has joined. 12:18:44 -!- sftp has joined. 12:19:40 -!- sftp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:22:11 -!- sftp has joined. 12:30:19 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:30:55 -!- LKoen has joined. 12:45:17 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:46:04 -!- LKoen has joined. 12:52:47 [[Talk:Asparagus]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78343&oldid=78341 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+124) Reply 13:00:51 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:01:24 -!- LKoen has joined. 13:13:23 [[PlusOrMinus]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78344&oldid=78097 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-3) /* Original version */ Fixe Grammear 13:14:49 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:17:37 -!- LKoen has joined. 13:29:59 -!- arseniiv has joined. 13:30:12 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:31:08 -!- LKoen has joined. 13:38:22 -!- MDude has joined. 13:45:27 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:48:16 -!- LKoen has joined. 14:34:37 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Quit: hendursa1). 14:34:53 -!- hendursaga has joined. 15:12:53 -!- Arcorann has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:23:02 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:37:04 -!- wib_jonas has quit (Quit: Connection closed). 16:02:50 [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78345&oldid=78342 * Not applicable * (+366) added wip and removed stub, added samples 16:10:29 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 16:13:30 -!- FreeFull has joined. 16:56:50 [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78346&oldid=78345 * Not applicable * (+1090) 17:06:50 [[User:Not applicable/Asparagus Dev]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78347 * Not applicable * (+7105) Created page with " You shouldn't be here, but ok. This is the (still in development as of Nov 6, 2020) interpreter for [Asparagus]. Does it work? Barely. Does it have all the feature..." 18:14:09 Hmm, "to open box, please drop down 50' shaft"... 18:32:35 FireFly: ^^ playing a bit of Penumbra Overture; I'm blaming you :-P 18:32:59 haha 18:33:44 pneumbra? I guess that's related to lungs somehow? 18:34:23 shachaf: well if that was what I had typed... made me look, shame on you 18:34:31 * int-e is busy blaming others. 18:34:36 Oh no! 18:34:40 Somehow it was what I read. 18:36:07 v. embarrassing 18:36:08 FireFly: I'm kind of afraid that I have the first unavoidable fight coming up though and I'm not sure I want to try the "clunky combat" part. 18:36:31 Anyway, I'm done for the moment :) 18:37:44 -!- imode has joined. 18:37:57 `? imode 18:37:59 imode is an Innovative Multicomponent Drug Designer, afflicted by a severe case of the UPPERs. 18:38:07 imode: are you an Apple product? 18:43:48 -!- sprocklem has joined. 18:49:45 probably. 19:13:18 [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78348&oldid=78325 * Tetrapyronia * (+57) Added Lightlang 19:16:42 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine). 19:34:00 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 19:34:00 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 19:34:00 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 20:10:53 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine). 20:12:12 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 20:12:12 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 20:12:12 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 20:55:51 -!- izabera has changed nick to normabera. 21:03:16 -!- normabera has changed nick to tangetbera. 21:15:12 -!- tangetbera has changed nick to izabera. 22:10:14 -!- Arcorann has joined. 22:10:47 -!- Arcorann has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:11:14 -!- Arcorann has joined. 22:30:51 -!- spruit11 has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 22:48:52 -!- spruit11 has joined. 23:42:52 [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78349&oldid=78346 * Not applicable * (+1106) what 2020-11-07: 00:37:19 -!- Antonymous has joined. 00:37:30 -!- Antonymous has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:42:03 [[Lightlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78350&oldid=75917 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-1) /* Instructions */ Grammar 00:52:11 [[Lightlang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78351&oldid=78350 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+61) /* Examples */ Add [[User:Tetrapyronia]]'s [[Truth-machine]] 00:55:36 [[Subtractpocalypse]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78352&oldid=58998 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-9) /* Computational class */ Unpipe cross-namespace link 01:10:51 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. 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Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 01:14:15 [[Natas Liah]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78353&oldid=43970 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24) Category languages 01:25:33 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 01:25:46 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 01:36:57 -!- adu has joined. 02:07:21 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 03:10:02 -!- FreeFull has quit. 03:30:11 Does DOSBOX implement the percussion mode of OPL3 correctly? 04:19:43 zzo38, I'd expect them to have a channel, or something 04:20:26 sources point to no https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=45840 but ymmv 04:21:07 or at least "possibly not exactly perfect" 04:27:33 [[NDBall]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78354&oldid=78291 * Aspwil * (+76) /* Instructions */ 04:54:16 [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78355&oldid=78348 * Tetrapyronia * (+89) Added MechaniQue 04:59:21 [[User:Tetrapyronia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78356&oldid=77780 * Tetrapyronia * (+168) 05:15:40 [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78357&oldid=78355 * Tetrapyronia * (+126) Added Churro 05:15:58 [[User:Tetrapyronia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78358&oldid=78356 * Tetrapyronia * (+13) 05:20:02 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 05:32:05 -!- MDude has joined. 05:46:25 -!- MDude has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:18:12 -!- deltaepsilon23 has joined. 06:18:23 -!- deltaepsilon23 has changed nick to delta23. 06:30:26 I invented a new file format for OPL3 music. 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"‘You Have Disappointed Me,’ Trump Tells Room Full Of Supporters While Strapping On Gas Mask".) 20:40:54 Hmm, some movie? 20:41:02 I feel I'm missing a reference :) 20:41:49 I thought it was just a generic genre kind of a thing, but could be. 20:43:58 It's not her fault, of course, but the fact that the Finnish word "kamala" translates to "horrible, terrible" is going to make some news headlines a bit jarring. 20:45:46 so... camality 20:47:23 Interestingly I'm not aware of german word with that root. 20:48:17 Oh "Kalamität" exists though, but it's rare. 20:48:18 "From Proto-Finnic *kamala (compare Ingrian kammala, Karelian kamala, Votic kamal)." It might be one of those we haven't just borrowed. 20:48:44 Hmm, parallel development. 20:49:07 Or maybe the Romans stole it? Did they ever get that far... my history knowledge is so bad. 20:49:32 Err 20:49:44 The l and m are swapped. 20:50:17 Never mind, I don't think that's explained by vowel shifts. 20:50:49 I was reading https://xkcd.com/2381/ the other day, and apparently the most likely etymology for the Finnish name ("karhu") is from a Proto-Finnic word meaning "rough, coarse", but it's thought it *could* also be a loan from the same source the Greek get their άρκτος from. 20:51:45 -!- kspalaiologos has joined. 20:55:01 (Just to be clear, the english word I meant is "calamity", so no connection there either.) 20:58:18 Oh yes, The Onion seems to be having a great time. https://www.theonion.com/democratic-strategists-hold-screening-of-three-amigos-1845584362 is also good. 21:08:53 -!- kspalaiologos has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:22:58 fizzie: well yeah, but on the plus side, the Kalevala has a long section about how they avoid talking about the brown one 23:01:24 -!- NeverBorn has joined. 23:02:13 -!- NeverBorn has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:08:18 -!- Arcorann_ has joined. 2020-11-08: 00:26:35 -!- LKoen_ has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. 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Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 01:00:56 [[Special:Log/move]] move * PythonshellDebugwindow * moved [[A programming language is a formal language, which comprises a set of instructions that produce various kinds of output.]] to [[A programming language is a formal language comprising a set of instructions that produce various kinds of output.]] 01:02:12 [[Template:Programming Language]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78372&oldid=60264 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-6) The first sentence of the article on Wikipedia, and thus the name, has changed! 01:03:42 [[An esoteric programming language (ess-oh-terr-ick), or esolang, is a computer programming language designed to experiment with weird ideas, to be hard to program in, or as a joke, rather than for practical use.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78373&oldid=58392 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+51) Cats + stub 01:05:53 [[A programming language is a formal language comprising a set of instructions that produce various kinds of output.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78374&oldid=78370 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+146) Update to 2020 version 01:08:53 [[A programming language is a formal language comprising a set of instructions that produce various kinds of output.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78375&oldid=78374 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+41) /* Variations */ Add the hardest quine you'll ever see 01:27:25 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:29:19 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 01:42:00 I wouldn’t have thought I’ll pass day by day making small improvements to xen wiki (which is still not completely free from the ghost of wikispaces import) 01:42:57 hopefully that will make some good 01:47:34 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 01:57:36 [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78376&oldid=78292 * Not applicable * (+223) 02:10:05 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:11:24 -!- tromp has joined. 02:48:58 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 04:17:31 -!- shikhin has changed nick to shikhinzgrep. 04:17:37 -!- shikhinzgrep has changed nick to shikhin. 04:17:43 -!- shikhin has changed nick to zgrepshikhin. 04:17:47 -!- zgrepshikhin has changed nick to shikhin. 04:41:37 -!- Arcorann has joined. 04:43:28 -!- Arcorann_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 05:46:26 -!- tromp has joined. 06:59:38 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 07:33:16 -!- zzo38 has quit (Disconnected by services). 07:33:23 -!- zzo38 has joined. 08:36:24 -!- mich181189 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:37:03 -!- ProofTechnique has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:37:24 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:37:37 -!- dog_star has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:37:38 -!- j4cbo has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:37:44 -!- glowcoil has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:38:12 -!- ^[ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:38:48 -!- dnm has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:38:57 -!- dingwat has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 08:38:57 -!- ocharles has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 08:41:20 -!- NeverBorn has joined. 08:42:59 -!- NeverBorn has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:52:10 -!- dnm has joined. 08:52:14 -!- ProofTechnique has joined. 08:52:35 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 08:52:35 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 08:52:40 -!- dog_star has joined. 08:52:48 -!- j4cbo has joined. 08:52:49 -!- dingwat has joined. 08:53:09 -!- ^[ has joined. 08:55:56 -!- glowcoil has joined. 08:57:50 -!- mich181189 has joined. 09:00:47 -!- ocharles has joined. 09:01:23 -!- pikhq has joined. 09:07:44 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 09:10:23 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:11:53 -!- dingwat has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 09:14:45 -!- dingwat has joined. 09:43:15 -!- kspalaiologos has joined. 09:58:30 -!- zzy has joined. 09:59:38 -!- tromp_ has joined. 09:59:45 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:03:13 -!- LKoen has joined. 10:09:37 -!- zzy has quit (Quit: Leaving). 10:10:53 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 10:38:52 -!- kspalaiologos has quit (Quit: Leaving). 10:41:37 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 10:46:46 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:54:46 -!- arseniiv has joined. 11:04:51 -!- FreeFull has joined. 11:15:09 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. 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(In game, obviously. They're nasty.) 21:15:11 [[Phile]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78384&oldid=73084 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+91) /* Turing-completeness */ Expand 21:17:01 [[Phile]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78385&oldid=78384 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+66) /* Datatypes */ Clarify string syntad 21:18:04 [[Phile]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78386&oldid=78385 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+40) /* Turing-completeness */ Expand 21:28:12 [[Varigen]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78387&oldid=73709 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) /* Instructions */ Fix 21:30:29 -!- ski has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:43:23 [[HTPL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78388&oldid=77972 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) /* Syntax */ Fix tag 21:44:43 [[HTPL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78389&oldid=78388 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24) /* Related */ cat 21:57:11 [[DubDubMachine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78390&oldid=68667 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+9) /* Computational class */ What is so interesting about that? IO isn't needed to be TC 21:58:38 [[User:Not applicable/Asparagus Dev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78391&oldid=78368 * Not applicable * (-10514) i removed it because its now on github 21:59:39 finished my BF DSL for feather. 21:59:40 https://hastebin.com/raw/guzepimaqi 22:02:40 [[Class Diseases]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78392&oldid=45962 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+41) Categories 22:07:04 it's nice. the language has maybe ~12 primitives. `if ... then ... else`, `recursive!`, `recurse`, etc. are all derived. 22:09:08 https://hastebin.com/raw/izulotilen 22:09:11 [[Esolang:General disclaimer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78393&oldid=68817 * Not applicable * (+88) batteries not included 22:10:24 the definition of `is`, for example, is on line 328. 22:25:44 -!- deltaepsilon23 has joined. 22:25:53 -!- deltaepsilon23 has changed nick to delta23. 22:27:11 -!- Arcorann has joined. 22:31:11 Odd, upgrading the "cpp-10" package from 10.2.0-15 to 10.2.0-16 will take +283M more disk space. 22:31:37 wow 22:31:48 Changelog: "Also enable the extra checking on amd64, arm64, ppc64el, s390x, and don't strip the executables. This will be reverted within a few weeks, please don't send bug reports about that." 22:31:55 ...maybe I'll just wait a bit. 22:37:59 /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/10/cc1: 310,672,488, strips to 36,444,760 22:38:09 that would do it 22:38:30 thanks for the warning 22:40:27 Yeah, the total size impact was something like ~800M for all of gcc-10 bits. 22:45:23 at least it compresses well? 22:45:40 -!- sprocklem has joined. 22:50:37 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:50:52 -!- tromp has joined. 23:37:23 -!- Hazey has joined. 23:39:44 -!- adu has joined. 23:39:50 hello all 23:47:46 hello? 23:57:08 -!- Hazey has quit (Quit: Leaving). 2020-11-09: 00:19:16 -!- sprocklem has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 00:27:55 -!- sprocklem has joined. 00:53:10 [[Infinifuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78394&oldid=77697 * Quelklef * (+1420) 01:09:08 [[Seribund]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78395&oldid=40486 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-9) Unpipe cross-namespace link 01:26:57 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 01:27:36 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:32:16 -!- heharhehar has joined. 01:32:21 heyo 01:32:39 Hello 01:32:56 -!- heharhehar has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:06:33 -!- ski has joined. 03:32:50 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 03:50:36 -!- adu has joined. 04:00:00 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: I seem to have stopped.). 04:01:30 -!- Taneb has joined. 05:08:36 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 05:31:07 [[LayerASM]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78396 * Ashtons * (+3147) Created LayerASM page 05:32:40 [[User:Ashtons]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78397&oldid=76787 * Ashtons * (+92) /* l a n g u a g e s */ 05:33:38 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78398&oldid=78272 * Ashtons * (+15) /* L */ Added LayerASM 06:10:20 -!- deltaepsilon23 has joined. 06:11:44 -!- delta23 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 06:11:48 -!- deltaepsilon23 has changed nick to delta23. 06:48:46 -!- LKoen has joined. 07:51:45 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:18:06 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:21:44 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 08:23:19 -!- imode has joined. 08:29:48 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:42:12 -!- shinh has joined. 09:07:09 -!- xelxebar has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:09:43 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:21:57 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:53:29 -!- S_Gautam has joined. 10:07:11 -!- ATMunn has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 10:08:04 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:08:09 -!- ATMunn has joined. 10:08:58 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 10:08:58 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 10:08:58 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 10:18:06 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:22:00 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 10:22:00 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 10:22:00 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 10:47:14 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:48:35 -!- LKoen has joined. 11:31:44 -!- hendursaga has joined. 11:32:11 -!- rain1 has joined. 11:32:20 Where can I find working implementations of the futamura projections? 11:32:26 (nontrivial ones) 11:32:52 futurama? 11:37:00 thanks 12:31:15 -!- arseniiv has joined. 12:36:56 -!- S_Gautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 12:44:37 -!- hendursaga has quit (Quit: hendursaga). 12:44:53 -!- hendursaga has joined. 12:44:57 -!- hendursaga has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:45:44 -!- hendursaga has joined. 12:46:11 -!- wib_jonas has joined. 13:10:32 after looking it up, hm, isn't that how PyPy works IIRC? 13:11:49 an interpreter for Python written in a subset of Python, and a specialising JIT that JITs the interpreter to match the program it's running on 13:12:09 I recall reading an article or blogpost about it at some point, but don't recall who wrote it 13:18:04 Apparently there's the "Tracing the Meta-Level: PyPy's Tracing JIT Compiler" article, but I don't think that's what I read 13:36:16 -!- aaaaaa has joined. 14:29:38 -!- Arcorann has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:55:38 suppose it's an annoying thing to demonsstrate 14:55:42 since you'd need not only the code 14:55:58 but also examples of interpreters in a few languages, and then a few demo programs in each of those 14:56:14 so you need something like 3+3*5 example programs 14:56:19 to demonstrate the functionality well 14:57:08 there's mentions of code like this in the past, like a scheme parser generator from some peval system 14:58:13 -!- aaaaaa has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 15:10:05 -!- rain1 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:13:59 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:48:17 -!- wib_jonas has quit (Quit: Connection closed). 16:09:24 -!- rain1 has joined. 16:26:31 -!- imode has joined. 16:56:27 [[LayerASM]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78399&oldid=78396 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+69) Categories 18:03:13 -!- FreeFull has joined. 18:43:34 [[Eof]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78400 * 3s0!an9 b0y * (+638) Created page with "A language that unless your careful it will automatically end the program. You can see some basics here (Hello World!): eof not now eof after eof says Hello World eof now..." 19:08:27 [[Stopnotstop]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78401 * 3s0!an9 b0y * (+817) Created page with "== ATTENTION 'STOPNOTSTOP' IS LITERALLY THE '''WORST''' LANGUAGE EVER CREATED, DO ''NOT'' IMPLEMENT!!! ==
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I can help. 00:12:43 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 00:12:55 `ping 00:12:56 The code can be found in: http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/freezzt.ui/dir?ci=600c9773dae1a6d3&name=frezed The program "main.c" is the one being executed. 00:12:57 pong 00:13:49 wow. 00:13:52 The problem might be in main.c or zzt.c, is my guess. 00:14:03 It sometimes happens when importinga board. 00:15:33 -!- TheLie has joined. 00:15:39 nice replacements for asserts. 00:16:14 do you have an example of a board that always segfaults. 00:17:19 Let me check now. 00:18:54 No board seems to always segfault. It seems to do so unpredictably. 00:19:27 But it seems to require adding a new board and importing into that one; it doesn't seem to segfault if it is imported over an existing board. 00:20:11 hm. if you can give me some example data files I can mess with it. just got it compiled. 00:20:55 OK. Just a minute 00:23:59 http://zzo38computer.org/ZZT/boardtest.zip 00:27:06 The default key bindings use ^L to import a board, but you must create a file called ~/.frezedrc which references the default key binding file (bindings.def) (write "Defaults=/path_to/bindings.def" or as appropriate) 00:28:01 Do these files work? 00:28:11 workin on it. 00:29:29 OK 00:29:30 "invalid world". 00:29:50 https://hastebin.com/raw/isujipiyen 00:30:12 Those are board files and not world files. Give a nonexisting filename to create a new world, and then import those boards into it. (Use the A command to add a new board, and ^S to save the world file) 00:30:39 aha. 00:31:03 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:32:10 got it to segfault. 00:34:01 https://hastebin.com/raw/uyiquzihal 00:34:21 zzt.c:23 00:34:26 for(i=0;i<=b->maxstat;i++) free(b->stat[i].text); 00:35:00 OK. Somehow, when I tried, I was unable to get a stack trace, so good that you did. 00:35:18 I created a new board, imported the boards four times, then created two new boards. 00:35:27 Now I know what part is wrong. 00:36:07 cool. lemme know if you want any additional help. 00:36:11 that was fun. 00:41:09 That still doesn't solve it entirely, but now I have some more information to try to figure it out. 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The European Union! 13:07:08 fizzie: mr president, stop being masochistic. 13:07:24 fungot: Now that's just uncalled for. 13:07:25 fizzie: mr president, i did not in fact? consumers must have rights, but these were neither heeded nor passed on. 13:56:23 [[1066]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78427&oldid=78410 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+384) Not dne yet 14:35:59 [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78428&oldid=78423 * Tetrapyronia * (+177) Added Pistons & Pistons 14:39:05 -!- Arcorann has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:39:33 [[User:Tetrapyronia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78429&oldid=78419 * Tetrapyronia * (+24) 15:18:02 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:30:42 [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78430&oldid=78428 * Tetrapyronia * (+188) Added Blindfolded Arithmetic 15:31:01 [[User:Tetrapyronia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78431&oldid=78429 * Tetrapyronia * (+29) 15:42:32 -!- aaaaaa has quit (Ping timeout: 272 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top two items on the stack 00:44:34 I hope that you can write it in esolang wiki 00:47:30 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Delta23 * New user account 00:47:59 ill do that then 00:50:22 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78494&oldid=78466 * Delta23 * (+138) 00:57:34 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 01:07:55 [[Real Brainfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78495 * Delta23 * (+1260) Created page with "Real Brainfuck is a brainfuck variant that operates on the real-valued range {0, 1}. The tape starts with all cells set to 0.5. It also has a stack. This is a more usable vers..." 01:09:08 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 01:11:24 -!- Melvar has joined. 01:17:18 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78496&oldid=78481 * Delta23 * (+21) 01:24:19 -!- delta23 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:25:00 -!- deltaepsilon23 has joined. 01:25:06 -!- deltaepsilon23 has changed nick to delta23. 01:28:23 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 01:30:28 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:57:42 [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78497&oldid=78490 * Tetrapyronia * (+34) Added Real Brainfuck 01:58:41 -!- adu has joined. 01:59:04 [[User:Tetrapyronia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78498&oldid=78465 * Tetrapyronia * (+21) 02:05:47 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 02:17:37 [[Real Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78499&oldid=78495 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+62) Cats + link 02:18:21 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 02:27:31 -!- diverger has quit (K-Lined). 02:36:03 -!- adu has joined. 02:40:33 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:44:08 -!- Sgeo has joined. 04:38:58 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Sinakhalili * New user account 04:42:31 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78500&oldid=78494 * Sinakhalili * (+220) /* Introductions */ 04:43:47 [[Folders]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78501&oldid=75129 * Sinakhalili * (+79) Add python implementation 04:52:55 [[User:Sinakhalili]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78502 * Sinakhalili * (+171) Created page with "What up y'all. Aspiring esolanger. Lover of all things self-referential. Currently works: * [[Folders]] python [https://github.com/sinakhalili/Folders.py implementation]" 04:57:56 -!- Arcorann has joined. 05:22:12 -!- delta23 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 05:24:13 -!- deltaepsilon23 has joined. 05:24:20 -!- deltaepsilon23 has changed nick to delta23. 05:54:01 -!- adu has left. 06:55:46 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:36:47 [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78503&oldid=78130 * Rdebath * (-111) Removed link to non-existent page for interpreter that didn't work. 08:02:11 -!- BWBellairs has quit (Quit: Quit). 08:03:23 -!- BWBellairs has joined. 08:05:19 -!- LKoen has joined. 08:26:44 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 08:30:09 [[Talk:Modulous]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78504&oldid=78181 * Abyxlrz * (-183) 08:42:36 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:45:09 -!- rodgort has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:46:41 -!- rodgort has joined. 08:50:34 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:53:08 -!- imode has joined. 09:06:10 -!- LKoen has joined. 09:09:54 -!- LKoen has quit (Client Quit). 09:12:31 [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78505&oldid=78497 * Hakerh400 * (+62) +[[Bitwise Trance]] 09:40:50 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 09:42:30 -!- imode has joined. 10:06:02 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 10:06:43 -!- imode has joined. 10:09:29 -!- TheLie has joined. 10:52:22 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 11:22:04 -!- ski has joined. 11:31:14 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 12:05:44 -!- TheLie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:08:30 -!- 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https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78510&oldid=78100 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1360) Update commands 16:15:47 [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Cmt]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78511&oldid=75558 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+186) /* Built-in tags */ Updats 16:16:59 [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Cmt]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78512&oldid=78511 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+123) /* Built-in tags */ More 16:20:29 [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78513 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+46) And he will be JSON / and he will be a good object / and he will be JSON / in tradition with the data plan 16:21:38 [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78514&oldid=78513 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+2) JSON wears his curly brackets like a crown 16:21:48 [[Esolang:Sandbox/JSON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78515&oldid=78514 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) PythonshellDebugwindow changed the content model of the 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M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78536&oldid=70497 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+28) /* Trivia */ See also 21:45:14 [[Talk:///]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78537&oldid=78531 * BrightBlackHole * (+68) 21:51:36 -!- Cale has joined. 22:05:56 Scott Aaronson says that the current provider will no longer be able to host the Complexity Zoo https://complexityzoo.uwaterloo.ca/Complexity_Zoo and needs a new provider. 22:08:07 "says"? 22:08:35 oh, here. https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=5094 22:09:22 [[Bfos]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78538 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+403) Why not 22:09:33 "new regulations in Ontario about the accessibility of websites, which the Zoo might be out of compliance with"... sigh 22:11:58 ..how does that affect the suitability of hosting providers. 22:12:13 what in the world. 22:12:21 imode: note the "uwaterloo" 22:12:31 it's a university 22:13:02 yeah I realize that but what the fuck, you're going to take down something that's not accessible and thus make it de-facto inaccessible vs. providing a path for making it accessible? fuck you. 22:13:20 the removal of information should not be the solution to accessibility. 22:13:30 "oh you can't walk up these stairs? fuck the stairs." 22:13:38 and then everyone's worse off. 22:14:12 it's just... if this affects people sharing their scientific contributions rather than administrative and teaching pages that are of general concern, then the regulations seem to be overreaching, and it'll be bad for science. 22:15:05 But I suspect we all agree on that anyway. 22:15:24 +1. 22:16:16 it's a very small website with not much traffic, so it barely needs disk space or network 22:16:47 Scott isn't holding back. "the issue likely involves bureaucrats at a higher level who suffer from an impairment far more serious than blindness, deafness, or anything else that’s merely physical." 22:17:41 (also, oddly, most of the actual content is in the Project namespace. that's not how you're supposed to use a Mediawiki.) 22:18:16 accessability guidelines should be influenced by talking to the people that are affected. 22:18:58 imode: ...well you clearly have no idea how bureaucrats work :P 22:20:40 (I honestly don't know what the norm is... ideally, yes, they'll talk to people. but I guess the best case is that they talk to management level people and maybe some random people who are forced into a taskforce kind of thing that they don't get any credit for... and in the worst case they rely on their own "common sense") 22:22:59 this happened with MIT lectures that weren't subtitled, didn't it? 22:23:04 they took them all down 22:23:27 maybe somewhere other than MIT 22:24:47 doesn't ring a bell, but it sounds plausible 22:29:35 Berkeley Will Delete Online Content 22:29:35 Starting March 15, the university will begin removing more than 20,000 video and audio lectures from pub 22:29:35 Berkeley Will Delete Online Content 22:29:35 Starting March 15, the university will begin removing more than 20,000 video and audio lectures from public view as a result of a Justice Department accessibility order. 22:29:35 lic view as a result of a Justice Department accessibility order. 22:29:37 found it 22:30:12 -!- iovoid has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:30:12 -!- myndzi has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:30:13 Thanks 22:31:23 -!- iovoid has joined. 22:31:59 int-e: as someone working with bureaucrats, I know how they work. doesn't mean I have to agree with them. 22:33:14 . o O ( But you *have* to agree with them... isn't that the whole point. :P ) 22:33:34 -!- myndzi has joined. 22:33:41 Sorry, this is too easy. 22:33:46 ^dance 22:33:56 !dance 22:34:06 oh wait, it's celebrate... now which bot... 22:34:08 ^celebrate 22:34:08 \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ 22:34:21 myndzi is still broken. 22:38:08 -!- Arcorann has joined. 22:41:07 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Someguy004 * New user account 22:45:58 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78539&oldid=78530 * Someguy004 * (+122) 22:48:09 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78540&oldid=78539 * Someguy004 * (+20) 23:20:23 [[NestFuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78541 * Someguy004 * (+2032) Created page with "== NestFuck == NestFuck is a language that uses pairs of nested brackets to execute [[brainfuck]] instructions. It uses 3 characters as follows: {| class="wikitable" |- ! Char..." 23:20:36 [[NestFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78542&oldid=78541 * Someguy004 * (-1) /* Examples */ 23:20:55 [[NestFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78543&oldid=78542 * Someguy004 * (+1) /* Examples */ 23:25:15 [[NestFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78544&oldid=78543 * Someguy004 * (-15) /* NestFuck */ 2020-11-13: 00:16:26 If you are making hashcash, I think that the padding of SHA1 only needs to be implemented once unless the length changes, and maybe some other stuff too I don't know. Since, it requires calculating the hash many times until enough first few bits are all zero. 00:18:03 (I also had a idea of a variant, which uses "timestamp:version:resource:bits:random", where the timestamp is preceded by its length, and there is no counter field (it is not needed since the random field can be used). It uses only base36 and base64, and a line feed must be appended when calculating the hash. 00:51:08 [[Brainfunc]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78545&oldid=72350 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-2) /* Functions */ Essential for looping 01:29:02 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 01:30:49 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 03:07:07 -!- clog has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:28:06 -!- adu has joined. 04:49:45 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 04:51:09 -!- Frater_EST has joined. 05:00:56 -!- deltaepsilon23 has joined. 05:01:08 -!- deltaepsilon23 has changed nick to delta23. 05:02:39 -!- clog has joined. 06:01:52 -!- Frater_EST has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:08:11 -!- adu has quit (Quit: adu). 07:29:40 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:18:13 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Changing host). 08:18:13 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 08:36:03 -!- Arcorann has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:36:30 -!- Arcorann has joined. 09:22:50 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 09:41:25 TODO: bug ais523 about feather on dec 14th or afterward (it's 10 year anniversary on the wiki) 10:35:25 [[Election 2020]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78546 * Hakerh400 * (+2424) +[[Election 2020]] 10:35:28 [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78547&oldid=77372 * Hakerh400 * (+20) +[[Election 2020]] 12:25:34 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 12:50:06 "the chess any% world record speed run" 12:59:51 wat 13:02:08 Someone TASed a chess game to get a fool's mate once 13:02:49 *5-move mate --> http://tasvideos.org/2677S.html 13:03:45 *3-move mate 13:04:59 int-e: Takes damage to save time? 13:06:38 (No major glitches?) 13:08:06 -!- LKoen has joined. 13:09:59 It was more or less a quote from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYP3FL7mDX8 ...I found it funny :) 13:10:27 I heard if you're playing black, there's a frame-perfect trick you can do that lets you move two pieces at once. 13:14:08 does it involve any opportunistic toilet breaks? 13:19:13 [[NestFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78548&oldid=78544 * Someguy004 * (+344) /* Examples */ 13:48:07 int-e: is that a two-player one, or one versus the computer?\ 13:49:40 a one-player one. I See. 13:50:08 fizzie: is that castling? 14:25:14 -!- Arcorann has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 14:27:09 -!- TheLie has joined. 15:05:53 [[NestFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78549&oldid=78548 * Someguy004 * (+87) 15:14:23 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:16:26 [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78550&oldid=78505 * Tetrapyronia * (+153) 15:16:45 [[User:Tetrapyronia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78551&oldid=78498 * Tetrapyronia * (+52) 15:27:50 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:56:21 -!- TheLie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:03:31 -!- sparr has quit (Changing host). 16:03:31 -!- sparr has joined. 16:28:45 -!- LKoen has joined. 16:35:32 [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78552&oldid=78475 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+127) /* Languages */ bfos 16:57:50 [[Bfos]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78553&oldid=78538 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+782) Specify commands\ 17:07:31 -!- LKoen_ has joined. 17:10:25 -!- LKoen has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 17:58:51 b_jonas: well, the video is making a joke about an actual two-player match that happened 18:00:35 (From that odd pogchamps event where they pitted high profile streamers against each other.) 18:02:49 Oh, Apple is fighting the good fight and adding ads to their... mobile phone settings menu? 18:03:57 among other things. 18:04:07 like crippling your machine if you don't send them updates on what you're doing. 18:06:29 -!- APic has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 18:07:26 -!- APic has joined. 18:08:10 And crippling your machine when you do send them updates on what you're doing? (They had an OCSP server outage that caused non-Apple apps to fail to start) 18:08:39 that's what I'm referring to. 18:09:10 Hmm, but it's logically the opposite :P 18:09:49 how do you live so well with a log jam in your ass. 18:10:21 so many assumptions 18:12:35 * int-e is pondering how this happened... but in the mobile phone case, the system started out as stupid and inflexible and closed... and the vendor platforms that we have now are still more open than the things of the past. So we "just" missed the opportunity for the revolution to demand and seize complete control of the smartphones when they were new. 18:18:19 int-e: right. and they even managed to get my relatives to keep complaining that I should get a smartphone, and trying to explain to me in very reasonable ways why it would be good for my own sake if I got a smartphone, and how it would solve the very problems that I'm complaining about (but forgetting about the problems that it would cause) 18:18:56 imode: the problem is really that both variants make sense; one is a form of nudging, the other is a weird accident in an otherwise invisible mechanism. 18:19:19 the fact that it's in place in the first place is an unmitigated disaster. 18:19:57 But it's for your own security! 18:20:17 b_jonas: Hmm. I'm only hearing that they're convenient, not that they solve any actual problems. 18:20:53 int-e: I'm talking about my relatives. they know me and what I need and what they have to tell me, they can tailor what they say to my individual problems 18:21:04 Sure. 18:21:04 I'm not talking about the advertisments 18:21:24 advertisments invent problems for whatever they want to sell 18:21:34 problems that you didn't even know you had 18:21:49 "don't worry about us, all we want is your attention" 18:22:02 admittedly they do use smartphones, so it's at least preaching what they practice 18:22:24 -!- LKoen_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:22:39 as in, they're talking into a cellphone when they explain why I should get one 18:23:05 and I'm sitting in front of a 26 inch monitor when I explain to them why I don't want one 18:25:18 two years ago I gave into the smartphone thing. since then, I've had to deal with the god damn things breaking all the time. my family, being used to flip phones that were nigh-indestructible, broke everything. screens, buttons, etc. 18:25:29 bought 'em CAT S61s. 18:25:41 now the only thing I worry about is their privacy. 18:45:15 -!- LKoen has joined. 19:00:41 [[NestFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78554&oldid=78549 * Someguy004 * (+1) /* Examples */ 19:28:29 -!- sprocklem has joined. 19:30:21 -!- madjidNRL has joined. 19:31:11 -!- madjidNRL has quit (Client Quit). 19:36:22 [[C()]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78555&oldid=69733 * Rdococ * (-773) Blanked the page 20:27:28 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:42:13 -!- sebbu has quit (Quit: reboot). 20:53:07 -!- clog has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 20:55:49 -!- clog has joined. 21:01:48 -!- deltaepsilon23 has joined. 21:02:37 -!- deltaepsilon23 has changed nick to delta23. 21:14:44 -!- LKoen has joined. 22:00:12 [[Fi]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78556&oldid=75377 * Rdococ * (-873) Blanked the page 22:17:50 -!- sebbu has joined. 22:36:16 -!- also_uplime has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 22:38:03 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/technology/no-software-glitches-are-not-affecting-vote-counts.html ... 'The problem, election security experts and state officials concluded, was that an election worker had configured ballot scanners and reporting systems with slightly different versions of the ballot, which meant some results did not line up with the right candidate when officials loaded them... 22:38:09 ...into the system.' 22:38:20 This irritates me slightly, why are there different versions of the ballot? 22:40:23 Hmm, maybe they had a testrun. https://eu.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/antrim-county-vote-glitch-software-update/6194745002/ speaks of a missed update. 22:42:00 -!- also_uplime has joined. 22:49:06 I think it'd be nice to for once vote in an election that has a ballot with all kinds of questions it. In Finnish elections, you write in one number (or draw a rude picture, or write in "Donald Duck", if you're of that kind), and that's it. AIUI, the US ballots are proper long. 22:51:07 Also curious: in Finland the standard Disney character for a protest vote is Donald Duck, while I understand in US it's Mickey Mouse. 22:51:34 what? Disney character as protest vote? 22:51:35 Maybe something to do with the relative popularity and familiarity of the characters. 22:51:43 That's what we (and US) do. 22:51:49 weird 22:51:53 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_vote "Write-in votes may also indicate protest voting; in the United States, Mickey Mouse has historically been a popular choice." 22:52:01 Yeah, I don't know specifically why. 22:52:53 you could do worse for the standard fictional character.... 22:53:39 Oh, we're mentioned on that page too. 22:53:49 I thought if you wanted to invalidate your ballot, the canonical choice was to mark the first two options or candidates in the list 22:54:01 "In the parliamentary elections in Finland and Sweden, voters have also used Donald Duck as a protest vote.[9] In Ukraine, the Internet Party nominated Darth Vader for mayoral elections in Kyiv and Odesa, and tried to nominate Darth Vader for presidency, although this application was rejected.[10]" 22:54:38 I see 22:56:37 Codidact (SE alternative that launched because of that moderation fiasco a couple years back) just launched a codegolf site if anyone's interested. Though when I say just launched i mean it, it's only a few hr old. https://codegolf.codidact.com/categories/49 22:57:26 Ballots can get pretty sizeable without tricky questions, just due to the sheer number of choices... like 15 parties and 25 direct candidates... 22:58:27 If the winner of the election is a fictional character or is someone who has been dead for more than one year, then there should be no president, and they have to wait for next year to make another election. 23:00:15 int-e: I guess, but I was really thinking about the part that you fill out. In our case, it's usually like an A6 sized piece of paper with a big circle in one half, and you write your candidate number inside and fold it in half. 23:01:21 fizzie: Ah. Here you get a long long list with circles for each candidate... and you mark one of the circles. 23:01:52 So the list is the ballot. 23:02:21 voting systems are interesting... there are so many of them 23:02:37 Clearly we should get to vote on what's the best one. 23:02:48 fizzie: in your case, how do you know you have the right list? 23:03:11 it's always easy to find flaws in other systems ;) 23:03:38 voting, by and large, is based on a huge pile of trust that nobody (well, not I) wants to think about. 23:03:40 I don't know how it works in sort of absentee-style cases, but at least for in-person voting, the list's taped on the wall of the voting booth. 23:03:56 Presumably they check every now and then that nobody's replaced it. 23:05:05 (Or just trust that it would be noticed, at least I've always cross-checked between what the web said and what's on the wall.) 23:05:11 is it also published in newspapers and online so you can verify that the whole polling station isn't colluding against you? 23:05:20 ah 23:05:42 It's certainly published online. And all the candidates put their number in their own ads. 23:06:15 seems reasonable enough 23:06:16 Oh, and there's the official candidate board things, these street stands with everyone's faces on them. At least for the presidential elections that have a lot less people. 23:06:55 and I bet it saves quite a bit on paper 23:07:06 and also effort during counting 23:07:19 http://www.skphelsinki.fi/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/10p%C3%A4iv%C3%A4vaalit2012_0017_edited-1.jpg sorta like that. 23:07:33 Imagine having to unfold 50cm of paper for each vote... 23:08:07 (I think those must be the boards for the parliamentary ones, I guess every party gets one or something. Not sure how those are divided up.) 23:08:10 that's a lot of faces 23:09:33 Honestly I should've just gone to the Wiki instead of Google image search: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Finnish_parliamentary_election_2019.jpg 23:10:09 Oh, fun (probably pretty commonplace) fact about the numbers: nobody gets to be #1, they start numbering from #2. 23:10:45 ours tend to look more like number 7 from the left... one or two faces at most. 23:11:00 and we certainly have a #1 23:11:50 The 2019 parliamentary elections had a total of 2468 candidates. 23:11:54 AIUI, the order of parties is based on the current makeup of the parliament in question... and the same order is used for direct candidates. 23:12:05 (Germany, and Austria too, I believe) 23:12:35 (But nobody gets to pick from the full list, the country's split to 13 regions and you can only vote for people from your own list, the sizes of which were 117-492. And one with 5.) 23:12:51 hmm, that's still quite long 23:13:18 Yeah, I may have kind of given up on reading everyone's self-description. 23:13:57 [[Elvm]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78557 * Jay-jayjay * (+318) Created page with "==[https://github.com/shinh/elvm Elvm]== [https://github.com/shinh/elvm Elvm] is a compiler infrastructure (similar to LLVM) for esotoric (and some non-esotoric) languages. It..." 23:14:13 [[Elvm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78558&oldid=78557 * Jay-jayjay * (-41) 23:15:35 In Germany, for the federal level we have a list per district, and only one direct candidate per district is elected... and then a second vote that decides the distribution of party seats (a proportional vote). So the former list tends to have one candidate per party and a few without affiliation. Oh and you can't run in several districts anyway. The latter list... well, the parties make a list... 23:15:41 ...of candidates that they fill up their seats from, but you don't vote on those. 23:17:44 (This is not without problems... mixing winner takes all and proportional voting this way means that parties can end up having more direct candidates than mandates from the proportional vote. Historically, they could just keep the extra seats. Currently, the size of the whole parliament is increased to the point where the proportions are correct. In the future... who knows.) 23:18:28 Yeah. We've got a proportional representation thingamajick too, so even if you're voting on candidate X from party Y, your vote may be in fact responsible for getting candidate X' from party Y elected. It's some kind of a d'Hondt thing, where the most popular candidate from party Y gets a score that's the total number T_y of votes for party Y, then the second gets T_y/2, the third T_y/3, and then the N 23:18:31 And I expect that almost every country has their own idiosyncratic complications in the election system. 23:18:34 highest scores (across all parties) get chosen. 23:19:36 So there's a lot of strategizing, and two or more (smaller) parties can do a union thing to make their candidates treated as from one party, in order to get at least someone in. 23:20:53 [[Elvm]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78559&oldid=78558 * Jay-jayjay * (+1218) 23:21:13 Anyway, the point was... because each party tends to have one direct candidate per district, that's the face you get to see in that district... and then generic ones (party leaders, chancellor candidates) that are the same across the country. 23:22:00 But if you have such long lists, that also explains the many faces on the posters 23:22:48 Right. I guess with our method, there isn't really any drawback for a party to add more candidates (within reason), because if they get a few votes that way, it'll all just sum up to the pot for the popular people they know will get elected. 23:23:46 Here's a picture of what it looks like in the voting booth: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Valb%C3%A5s_med_riksdagskandiidater_Finland_2019.jpg#/media/Tiedosto:Valb%C3%A5s_med_riksdagskandiidater_Finland_2019.jpg 23:24:12 Complete with poorly adhering masking tape holding it up. 23:27:14 Huh, I had completely forgotten our local far-right extremists (Perussuomalaiset) had one of those electoral alliances with the religious ones (Suomen Kristillisdemokraatit). Makes sense, but still. 23:27:42 The same with the liberals and the nerds (not their official names). 23:39:41 huh, sounds weird 23:39:45 weirdly interesting 23:40:23 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”). 2020-11-14: 00:08:21 -!- Arcorann has joined. 00:47:31 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78560&oldid=78507 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+15) /* N */ Add a language, [[NestFuck]] 01:19:31 [[Hieroglyphic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78561&oldid=58747 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+40) Distinguish/Confusion 01:22:01 [[Hieroglyphic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78562&oldid=78561 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-26) /* External resources */ Wikipedia: links + cat 01:27:27 [[Zull]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78563&oldid=66474 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+8) /* 99 Bottles */ fix link 01:29:43 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 01:31:16 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78564&oldid=78524 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+56) Bold headline 01:31:52 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:32:45 [[Zull]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78565&oldid=78563 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+52) /* Sashleyfuck */ cats++ 01:40:08 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78566&oldid=78564 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+213) /* Commands */ Devandalise? 01:41:20 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78567&oldid=78566 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+17) /* Memory */ Why did I write this in the sandbox? Some kid always has a shovel 01:41:42 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78568&oldid=78567 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24) /* Syntax */ hm 01:42:33 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78569&oldid=78568 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+22) /* External resources */ hm 03:27:30 How much a Magic: the Gathering card would be worth if it is a instant with only madness and split second and no others? 03:55:13 [[Talk:Twisted Python Chat Server]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78570 * BrightBlackHole * (+275) Created page with "I made the chat page since I thought people would want to discuss ideas here. Nobody else seems to want to create a chat page here, so... fine, I'll do it myself.
-~~~~" 03:55:50 [[User:BrightBlackHole]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78571&oldid=78535 * BrightBlackHole * (-15) /* how i can prove i am a human */ 04:02:45 [[User:BrightBlackHole]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78572&oldid=78571 * BrightBlackHole * (+168) 05:52:53 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:07:52 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:39:28 -!- Frater_EST has joined. 08:33:32 -!- TheLie has joined. 08:49:59 . o O ( Twitter is shutting down December 15th ) 10:01:31 Wah? 10:06:00 that would be awesome, any citations? 10:12:44 -!- Frater_EST has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:18:25 I think it was just the old design, unfortunately 10:29:42 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:48:40 -!- TheLie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:48:58 myname: https://mobile.twitter.com/ ... I may have left out a detail or two 10:50:14 though, effectively... yeah I don't think I'll be reading twitter anymore afterwards 10:50:43 i only ever visit twitter if people post links to tweets in irc 10:52:46 -!- Lymia has quit (Quit: Hugs~ <3). 10:53:10 there are a couple of accounts I'm currently checking on 10:53:16 But I can do without them. 10:59:20 -!- Lymia has joined. 11:08:29 I go through Nitter nowadays, it has RSS features as well 11:33:10 Arcorann: hmm, worth a shot 11:39:29 fizzie: we have (a summary of) the options printed right onto the slip of paper that you vote on, with circles next to them, and they're huge with large letters and lots of spaces for accessibility reasons; though they offer an optional overlay that displays the options in braille runes, and for that you may have to trust that it's the correct paper 11:41:31 but yes, the options are published online, and for the country level list, that's where you can find the full queue of people who'd become member of parliaments if each party gets enough votes, for the voting slip can fit only a few for each party 11:42:06 plus obviously the voters need to know the options in advance that they can research what they promise and choose responsibly 11:43:01 -!- LKoen has joined. 11:44:02 what is taped onto the wall of every voting room is just posters giving instructions for what ID you need to bring to cast a vote, that you shall vote on only one option on each strip for a valid vote, and that you shall mark the option by drawing a cross over the circle next to the option. most people already know that in advance, by the posters can't hurt. 11:44:38 "Imagine having to unfold 50cm of paper for each vote..." => yes, that happens 11:44:57 plus they have to remove them from the envelopes (though they at least do ask people to not seal the envelope) 11:46:51 the order of options for election slips is always determined randomly before the election, right after the set of options is finalized; referendums have yes/no answers and I think the order is fixed 11:47:39 "the sizes of which were 117-492" => ah! so that's why you write a number 11:48:01 that many candidates wouldn't fit on the voting slip 11:49:54 "isn't really any drawback for a party to add more candidates" => the way that's solved in Hungary is that they need to collect a given number of signatures from voters for their candidate in advance of the election in order to be allowed to have the candidate as an option 11:50:31 and a similar system is used for the country-level party list, and for the minority lists 12:33:36 -!- Frater_EST has joined. 12:47:20 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:47:53 -!- tromp has joined. 12:48:05 -!- Frater_EST has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:48:24 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:48:50 -!- tromp has joined. 13:15:17 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78573&oldid=78569 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+43) hm 13:18:56 [[User:Quelklef]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78574&oldid=77687 * Quelklef * (+52) 13:31:14 -!- TheLie has joined. 13:33:54 -!- user3456_ has joined. 13:34:49 -!- tromp has quit (*.net *.split). 13:34:50 -!- user3456 has quit (*.net *.split). 13:34:50 -!- kmc has quit (*.net *.split). 13:34:50 -!- Deewiant has quit (*.net *.split). 13:35:06 -!- Deewiant has joined. 13:35:06 -!- kmc has joined. 13:37:44 -!- wmww has quit (*.net *.split). 13:37:49 -!- tromp has joined. 13:40:58 -!- wmww has joined. 13:44:18 -!- none30 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:44:39 -!- wmww has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:44:56 -!- Discordian[m] has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 14:06:04 -!- wmww has joined. 14:10:57 -!- none30 has joined. 14:18:47 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 14:29:52 -!- Discordian[m] has joined. 14:34:46 [[NestFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78575&oldid=78554 * Someguy004 * (-36) 14:35:23 [[NestFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78576&oldid=78575 * Someguy004 * (+10) /* Examples */ 14:46:03 -!- TheLie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:51:56 -!- diverger has joined. 14:58:09 [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/(Unnamed language)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78577&oldid=78158 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+2) /* Macros */ comma 14:58:22 -!- Arcorann has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 15:13:26 [[NestFuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78578&oldid=78576 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+114) /* Interpreters */ cats 15:13:50 [[Paintfuck+]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78579&oldid=36797 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+30) See also 15:14:23 [[Paintfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78580&oldid=75362 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+31) /* Computational class */ See also 15:18:05 [[All Turing-complete languages are brainfuck equivalents]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78581&oldid=74141 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+25) /* A subset of browser JavaScript */ fix and change 15:20:18 -!- TheLie has joined. 15:34:17 -!- deltaepsilon23 has joined. 15:34:33 -!- deltaepsilon23 has changed nick to delta23. 15:46:36 [[NestFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78582&oldid=78578 * Someguy004 * (-21) 15:47:48 [[NestFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78583&oldid=78582 * Someguy004 * (-2) 16:54:34 -!- TheLie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:11:27 [[Talk:NestFuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78584 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+246) /* Interpreter source */ new section 17:17:09 Someone asked me, and I wonder if you know, if there is an equivalent to navigator.mediaDevices.getUserMedia which does not use a Promise? 17:35:19 -!- imode has joined. 17:37:07 [[Asparagus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78585&oldid=78463 * Not applicable * (+4074) 17:47:42 -!- TheLie has joined. 17:53:09 -!- FreeFull has joined. 18:03:19 -!- sprocklem has joined. 18:32:52 [[Fish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78586&oldid=75058 * Primo * (+251) /* Interpreters */ add fish-jit 18:58:22 -!- FreeFull has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:10:43 -!- aaaaaa has joined. 19:29:51 -!- Sgeo has joined. 19:53:13 -!- FreeFull has joined. 20:02:00 -!- imode has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.9). 20:02:19 -!- imode has joined. 20:02:31 -!- imode has quit (Client Quit). 20:02:48 -!- imode has joined. 20:22:26 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 20:26:01 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 20:29:58 [[Lisparser]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78587 * Hakerh400 * (+6443) +[[Lisparser]] 20:30:06 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78588&oldid=78560 * Hakerh400 * (+16) +[[Lisparser]] 20:30:13 [[Brainlisp]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78589 * Hakerh400 * (+1487) +[[Brainlisp]] 20:33:17 [[User:Hakerh400]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78590&oldid=78422 * Hakerh400 * (+32) 20:33:37 -!- aaaaaa has quit (Quit: leaving). 20:37:46 [[Election 2020]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78591&oldid=78546 * Hakerh400 * (-2424) Blanked the page. The language seems to be inappropriate/offensive (and it didn't even contain any useful info). I recommend deleting this page. 20:38:10 [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78592&oldid=78547 * Hakerh400 * (-20) 20:39:07 -!- happyghost has joined. 20:39:33 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78593&oldid=78588 * Hakerh400 * (+16) +[[Brainlisp]] 20:42:40 -!- happyghost has quit (Quit: I quit ig). 20:51:40 Arcorann: OK, thank you for mentioning Nitter. I sometimes read stuff on Twitter, and it looks like the URLs are compatible from what I can see, so I can adjust the redirection code I have to use the Nitter URL. (Like other people here, I only read, not write, on Twitter, so that is likely to help.) 20:51:59 -!- adu has joined. 20:57:22 In case you watch Youtube videos, Invidious is the parallel service to Nitter in that regard. 21:00:17 I do not, but thank you for that information. 21:05:08 I was looking at the web manifest documentation too now, and I suggest adding another possible platform, which is "rfc". This denotes that any program can be used which implements the protocol described by that RFC. 21:06:09 I should also suggest some value to indicate a native program that does not belong to any app store, such as a link to a source code repository. 21:06:33 [[Brainlisp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78594&oldid=78589 * Hakerh400 * (+158) 21:07:30 [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78595&oldid=78550 * Hakerh400 * (+153) +[[Brainlisp]] 21:14:13 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. 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09:37:33  I think I've made an esoteric dice rolling program, I can't quite figure out if it's possible to do a D&D 5e "roll with advantage" with it
09:38:17  What features does it have?
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09:39:47  Hang on, I'll post the spec I've written somewhere
09:40:17  https://gist.github.com/Taneb/d8871c6a09b38ba316a8ab93b1696c16
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09:47:28  (it takes inspiration from dc and Underload)
09:57:40  Aha, '20d;20d-+l(-+0) Neat
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12:42:08  I can see that becoming standard notation for dice rolls
12:45:35  @dice 3d6-1d20
12:45:35  int-e: (2+2+2) - 15 => -9
12:46:09  three 2s, really?
12:46:11  @dice 3d6-1d20
12:46:11  int-e: (1+3+1) - 7 => -2
12:46:32  @dice 3d6-1d20
12:46:32  int-e: (4+6+4) - 6 => 8
12:51:36  [[Decision shrub]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78605&oldid=78604 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+35) see also
12:52:13  [[Decision tree]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78606&oldid=69369 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+64) see also
12:52:45  [[Decision tree]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78607&oldid=78606 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) Link to decision shrub
12:53:29  [[Decision shrub]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78608&oldid=78605 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) /* Example of a decision shrub */ DIX
13:05:46  We bought a box of candies that's essentially a 65d12, and got a result that had 0 of one specific kind; either we're very unlucky, or they're not using fair dice at the factory.
13:06:29  Is there a calculator bot here?
13:07:13  There's a lot of different programming languages, the non-esoteric ones can pretty feasibly used as calculators.
13:08:38  > 1 + 1
13:08:40   2
13:09:48  `` dc <<<'1 1+p'
13:09:50  2
13:11:12  I wanted to add a dc helper so that you could do `dc x y z directly, but then it'd shadow the actual dc, and I couldn't come up with any alternative guessable name for the wrapper, I don't think there's a convention.
13:11:22  Which one's the easiest to find 1 - (11/12)^65 in?
13:11:30  `` dc -e '1 1+p'
13:11:31  2
13:11:58  I guess there could be a dc-e, because I think we've got a perl-e.
13:12:20  [[Cod]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78609&oldid=78123 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+49) cats
13:12:24  `perl-e print 1+1;
13:12:25  2
13:13:29  [[COD]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78610&oldid=78122 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+30) /* Raise an error (takes 3 inputs first) */ more
13:13:39  > 1 - (11/12)^65
13:13:41   0.9965026142016578
13:13:44  > 1 - (11/12)^65 :: Rational
13:13:46   13972027618997412615763213033014351656206668630973030353623136688948981 % 14...
13:14:08  err, right, that's a bit too much
13:14:23  Also, I initially intuitively thought it'd be (11/12)^65 too, but after some reflection, that feels more like the probability of missing a *specific* kind.
13:14:40  Indeed it is :)
13:14:58  Also, realistically... the kinds may always be biased.
13:16:07  Well, yes. Also, there was a news article saying they removed the one we were missing from production temporarily because of the covid thing (is there *anything* bad you can't blame the virus on?), but that was supposed to be over already.
13:17:05  For the record, this was about Quality Street, which is apparently a special kind of a thing here in the UK, but we'd never had.
13:17:23  > let c n 0 = 1; c n k = c (n-1) (k-1) * n `div` k in sum [(-1)^k * (1-fromInteger k/12)^65 * fromInteger (c 12 k) | k <- [0..12]]
13:17:26   0.9585004275442837
13:17:52  Yeah, that could still plausibly happen.
13:18:29  > 1 - 12*(11/12)^65
13:18:31   0.9580313704198934
13:19:17  olsner: 12*(11/12)^65 accounts cases where there are fewer than 11 candies multiple times.
13:19:37  but obviously it's a decent estimate :)
13:25:56  fizzie: no way is it that simple. they probably have types of bonbons with different rarities, even if they don't tell you about it and they put an Island in a rare slot as distraction.
13:26:18  ah, I see int-e already said that
13:27:17  it needn't be slots for different rarities like in M:tG, there are other ways to implement different rarities of bonbons, and with 65 bonbons you don't need a guaranteed rare to make it feel fair
13:29:04  fizzie: btw, if each bonbon is chosen independently and uniformly from n bonbons, then you need in average n*log(n) bonbons to find at least one of every type
13:29:40  "coupon collector problem" is the search keyword
13:30:56  and that's natural logarithm, and the actual average is a harmonic number, for which this is a good approximation except for n=2 or n=3
13:31:26  no wait\
13:31:41  it's supposed to be n*(log(n)-1) right?
13:31:44  I'm stupid
13:31:58  make it n*(log(n)-1) then
13:34:52  or maybe... maybe it's n*log(n) and the average is n plus the harmonic number?
13:34:58  I've no idea how this works
13:35:03  sorry
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13:44:12  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupon_collector%27s_problem <-- It's n * H_n ~ n * (log n + gamma) where gamma is the Euler-Mascheroni constant (0.577...)
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14:56:06  fungot, how many acows do you suppose the farm has if they have to hire six maids to amilk them?
14:56:06  b_jonas: mr president, i asked you to endorse my group's motion, for we want to see a large step forward in the intense debate which occupied the committee on budgetary control, by which i mean true tolerance and not that expressed in the debate.
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15:05:38  no amaids?
15:05:48  amilk sounds like a unix system call, with a random letter like lseek and pread
15:06:30  surprisingly not all 5 letter combinations are unix system calls
15:10:27  int-e: of course not! some clash with established function names from the C library, like clogf, so to clog a file you have to call fcntl with the right arguments instead
15:12:30  although in some cases you get something where the system call name still exists but the libc wrapper function is called differently, like the exit system call, where the libc wrapper function used to be called _exit, but now that's not good enough for linux either, so now _exit is the wrapper for the system call exit_group just to be confusing
15:12:49  and no, _Exit isn't it either, that's just a synonym for _exit
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15:14:24  also some five letter combinations are K&R C keywords, like break, float, short, union, while, so the corresponding system calls had to be renamed after unix married C
15:14:49  so we have brk and cbrk instead of break now
15:14:50  I know 'l' in lseek is for "long", but never really thought what 'p' in "pread"/"pwrite" might be for.
15:16:15  positional?
15:16:44  fizzie: what does it stand for in pselect and ppoll? does it stand for POSIX anywhere?
15:17:15  there's also the p in pthreads, which would indeed be POSIX
15:17:30  ah true
15:18:14  and I think it stands for process in ptrace
15:18:23  (as well as in getpid)
15:18:54  (pread seems particularly useful in threaded programs)
15:20:13  the most mysterious letter prefix is of course u. we have a pretty good guess what it stood for in umount, but there's uname, utime, ustat (obsolete), ulimit (also obsolete)
15:20:14  though the more common convention is an r suffix, which may be for re-entrant?
15:20:18  and umask
15:20:39  int-e: I think that's a libc convention, not a linux convention
15:21:00  why can't they be the same :P
15:21:13  and there's the v in vfork
15:21:42  otoh, in a world where not even programs can get a uniform convention on their command line arguments...
15:22:24  as for that, I think gnu's long option parser was a big mistake
15:22:29  firefox -no-remote -ProfileManager <-- this took me a long time to get correct consistently
15:23:02  int-e: no, that's just because firefox changes everything once every few years. I think that command has changed at least twice.
15:23:40  Well, not in the past 8, maybe 10 years, I think?
15:23:55  also it's (firefox --no-remote --ProfileManager) according to the output of (firefox --help) – wait, maybe I should try (firefox -help) just in case
15:24:03  it's just that one is CamelCase and the other is hyphenated. It's pretty bad.
15:24:15  nope, firefox -help still shows double dashes for the long options
15:24:42  int-e: yeah, they changed that one long ago. I'm a long-time firefox user, contiguous with netscape and mozilla suite.
15:25:40  I've also been using it since forever, but I don't know when I started using temporary profiles.
15:25:46  Which is what I use that command for.
15:25:56  ok, this gives me an esoteric idea. have a program print different style of options if you invoke it as (foo help), (foo -h), (foo -help), (foo --help), (foo -?), (foo /?)
15:26:47  I don't use temporary profiles, but I have used multiple profiles a few times, partly to get different firefox processes to coexist easier, and partly to have different settings, including proxy settings
15:26:51  and it's quite possible that I've made it through one transition (change of the spelling of those flags) without fully realizing it.
15:27:03  right now I have a firefox profile for a library proxy 
15:27:17  for accessing some articles on JSTOR and such databases
15:27:59  btw, I have two different things giving me access to some JSTOR articles, but not all, so now if I meet an article on JSTOR to which I don't have access, I have to waste time trying both of them
15:28:13  it's like the two watches problem
15:28:16  I try to minimize this, but sometimes I need to use a site that sets tons of cookies from multiple domains... and it's easier to just use a fresh profile, do some stuff, and then discard the whole thing again.
15:28:46  easier than adding all the prerequisites to the whitelists.
15:29:34  int-e: isn't that what the "new private window" thing is for in firefox, for not remembering new cookies and similar after you close all windows derived from that?
15:30:01  this still wouldn't disable the addons that do the filtering
15:30:03  oh
15:30:07  you mean to disable filtering
15:30:08  ok
15:30:24  makes sense
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16:01:54  [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78611&oldid=78540 * Expliked * (+185) 
16:03:07  [[PUSH]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78612 * Expliked * (+1364) Created page with "PUSH is an esoteric programming language created by [[User:Expliked]] in November 2020. It uses a memory tape that can be appended (pushed) to, and removed (pulled) from. PUSH..."
16:03:34  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78613&oldid=78612 * Expliked * (+5) 
16:04:15  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78614&oldid=78613 * Expliked * (+2) 
16:06:07  [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78615&oldid=78593 * Expliked * (+11) /* P */
16:07:38  [[User:Expliked]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78616 * Expliked * (+82) Created page with "Hello, I'm Expliked. I created the [[PUSH]] language. Many more to come hopefully."
16:09:31  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78617&oldid=78614 * Expliked * (+2) 
16:09:48  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78618&oldid=78617 * Expliked * (+4) /* Examples */
16:10:05  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78619&oldid=78618 * Expliked * (+4) 
16:11:41  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78620&oldid=78619 * Expliked * (+57) 
16:11:57  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78621&oldid=78620 * Expliked * (+10) 
16:12:11  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78622&oldid=78621 * Expliked * (+0) 
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17:18:36  [[SickPig]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78623&oldid=41976 * LegionMammal978 * (+132) added interpreter link
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17:31:43  [[Segmentation Fault]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78624 * Not applicable * (+657) Created page with "Segmentation fault is a programming language made by User:Not_Applicable. It has only one valid program: 
 Segmentation fault 
 And that prints ''"Hello, World!"''. A..."
17:32:29  [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * PANOPTES *  New user account
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17:53:35  [[Imeight]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78625&oldid=76756 * LegionMammal978 * (+15) fixed title
17:55:48  [[Pipe]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78626&oldid=76804 * LegionMammal978 * (+37) Undo revision 76804 by [[Special:Contributions/Redwolf10105|Redwolf10105]] ([[User talk:Redwolf10105|talk]]); repository was made public again
18:01:31  [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78627&oldid=78611 * PANOPTES * (+180) 
18:02:00  [[PANOPTES's Dumb Burger Thing]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78628 * PANOPTES * (+1784) Procrastination is wild, yo.
18:04:46  [[PANOPTES's Dumb Burger Thing]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78629&oldid=78628 * PANOPTES * (+127) It's weird not to be able to add a line break just by pressing enter.
18:05:31  [[PANOPTES's Dumb Burger Thing]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78630&oldid=78629 * PANOPTES * (-26) Forgot an extra 

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19:00:21  [[!@$%^&*()+]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78631&oldid=77926 * LegionMammal978 * (+63) /* External resources */ copy from other page
19:00:55  [[Ecndpcaalrlp]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78632&oldid=65826 * LegionMammal978 * (-1500) duplicate page
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19:51:07  [[BrainForth]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78633&oldid=77588 * LegionMammal978 * (+202) fixed formatting
19:52:57  [[Special:Log/move]] move  * LegionMammal978 *  moved [[Mapfuck]] to [[MapFuck]]: fix capitalization
19:54:01  [[Special:Log/move]] move_redir  * LegionMammal978 *  moved [[MapFuck]] to [[Mapfuck]] over redirect: wait no that's not right
19:54:01  [[Special:Log/delete]] delete_redir  * LegionMammal978 *  LegionMammal978 deleted redirect [[Mapfuck]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[MapFuck]]"
19:54:18  [[Mapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78638&oldid=78636 * LegionMammal978 * (+0) fixed the correct capitalization this time
20:02:48  [[Triad]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78639&oldid=77674 * LegionMammal978 * (+14) fixed title
20:05:00  [[Infinifuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78640&oldid=78596 * LegionMammal978 * (+14) fixed title
20:17:57  [[Talk:AnnoyStack]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78641 * LegionMammal978 * (+202) Created page with "This language is not Turing-complete, since programs cannot conditionally halt based on input. ~~~~"
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21:40:31  Sense of smell left me today. Feels bizzare. Alcohol-based solution just makes nose warmer inside. Ammoniac still does something radical but it doesn't feel like usual extremely foul smell. And that's when I'm otherwise getting better for a couple of days already
21:42:17  I was lucky to be able to smell vanilla powder just before it shut off completely; now I can't
21:42:27  [[Special:Log/move]] move  * LegionMammal978 *  moved [[A.R.T.I.C.L.E. Lang]] to [[A.R.T.I.C.L.E.]]: fix title
21:42:53  [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78644&oldid=78615 * LegionMammal978 * (-5) /* A */
21:43:09  [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78645&oldid=78598 * LegionMammal978 * (-5) /* A.R.T.I.C.L.E. Lang */
21:43:24  [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78646&oldid=78595 * LegionMammal978 * (-5) /* A.R.T.I.C.L.E. Lang */
21:44:42  Nose washing didn't help too, if anyone's interested. I hoped it would return vestiges of smell for a short time but no. Don't know what other experiments I could make
21:46:49  Be safe!
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21:48:37  [[PANOPTES's Dumb Burger Thing]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78647&oldid=78630 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+50) cats
21:49:26  [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78648&oldid=78622 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+108) /* External resources */ cats
21:50:11  [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78649&oldid=78648 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+25) /* External resources */ This is essentially stack-based
21:52:00  [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78650&oldid=78644 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+35) /* P */ Add [[User:PANOPTES]]'s language, [[PANOPTES's Dumb Burger Thing]]
21:56:19  [[Objects In Mirror Are Heavier Than They Appear]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78651&oldid=75272 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+12) clarify
22:01:43  [[Objects In Mirror Are Heavier Than They Appear]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78652&oldid=78651 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+122) /* Object movement */ Finish a sente
22:02:57  [[Particle automaton]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78653&oldid=75042 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+22) see also
22:03:38  [[Bully automaton]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78654&oldid=72659 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+64) see also
22:04:25  [[Cellular automaton]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78655&oldid=57289 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+67) /* History */ see also
22:23:11  [[Asparagus]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78656&oldid=78585 * LegionMammal978 * (+0) fixed link
22:30:38  [[Dotcomma]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78657&oldid=78271 * LegionMammal978 * (+6) fixed name
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22:42:25  Fossil allows "fossil help", "fossil -help", and "fossil --help", although "fossil --version" doesn't work (although maybe they fixed that in a new version), and "fossil /help" results in a segmentation fault (maybe they fixed that too).
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23:00:01  ...
23:00:17  a segmentation fault is probably not supposed to happen, but I wouldn't have thought of typing /help because nothing takes that
23:00:24  it's /? for any program that takes slashes
23:01:23  [[Special:Log/move]] move  * LegionMammal978 *  moved [[Elvm]] to [[ELVM]]: fix capitalization
23:01:39  [[ELVM]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78660&oldid=78658 * LegionMammal978 * (+6) fixed name
23:05:41  "git: '/?' is not a git command. See 'git --help'. The most similar commands are: am gc mv rm"
23:05:49  ...they're not *that* similar. Okay, fair enough, the Levenshtein distance is just 2.
23:22:59  [[Segmentation Fault]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78661&oldid=78624 * LegionMammal978 * (+6) fixed name
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00:08:32  [[Neural Brainfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78662 * Delta23 * (+1046) Created page with "Neural Brainfuck is an attempt to create a language so that, analog neural networks can be implemented within it. All programs run within an implicit infinite loop. The tape e..."
00:10:08  [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78663&oldid=78650 * Delta23 * (+23) added neural brainfuck
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00:14:31  Ooh neural brainfuck sounds neat…
00:18:26  [[Malbolge20]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78664&oldid=66190 * LegionMammal978 * (+8) /* External resources */ updated link
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00:34:30  [[Neural Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78665&oldid=78662 * Delta23 * (+77) add important detail about inputs
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00:38:01  [[Definer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78666&oldid=61589 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+57) cats
00:45:26  [[Yboy]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78667&oldid=36182 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+13) /* External Links */ deadlink
00:54:27  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78668&oldid=78649 * Expliked * (+622) More syntax added, Code structure page added
00:59:32  [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78669&oldid=78668 * Expliked * (+5) 
01:07:16  [[Talk:PUSH]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78670 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+419) /* Comments */ new section
01:07:42  [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78671&oldid=78669 * Expliked * (-94) 
01:08:16  [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78672&oldid=78671 * Expliked * (+9) 
01:08:37  [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78673&oldid=78672 * Expliked * (+0) 
01:09:07  [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78674&oldid=78673 * Expliked * (-13) 
01:09:58  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78675&oldid=78674 * Expliked * (-161) 
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01:35:20  [[Talk:PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78677&oldid=78676 * Expliked * (+92) 
01:35:27  [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78678&oldid=78645 * Not applicable * (+679) fixed asparagus and added BRAND NEW ASSEMBLER
01:37:36  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78679&oldid=78675 * Expliked * (-24) 
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02:33:32  [[Babylang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78680&oldid=58505 * LegionMammal978 * (+7) /* External resources */ updated link
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03:14:58  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78681&oldid=78679 * Expliked * (-119) Changing some of the syntax
03:40:57  [[Talk:PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78682&oldid=78677 * Tetrapyronia * (+209) /* Input Push Order */ new section
04:15:32  [[Talk:PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78683&oldid=78682 * Expliked * (+11) 
04:15:45  [[Talk:PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78684&oldid=78683 * Expliked * (+2) 
04:26:12  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78685&oldid=78681 * Expliked * (+117) 
04:49:00  b_jonas: Yes, I wouldn't expect /help to work, although it shouldn't be a segmentation fault
05:00:23  maybe / does something else?
05:00:31  or it's just a bug
05:01:01  Although /? gives an error message, about an unknown command like any other unknown command
05:11:44  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78686&oldid=78685 * Expliked * (+898) 
05:14:03  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78687&oldid=78686 * Expliked * (+0) Corrected the examples to reflect the changes of syntax.
05:18:36  [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78688&oldid=78687 * Expliked * (+0) Updated 99 Bottles of Beer.
05:20:48  [[User:Expliked]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78689&oldid=78616 * Expliked * (-29) 
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05:34:18  [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78690&oldid=78688 * Expliked * (+8) 
05:50:04  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78691&oldid=78690 * Expliked * (+137) Added the thing on the right side of the page y'know the name
05:50:36  [[Talk:PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78692&oldid=78684 * Tetrapyronia * (+251) oops, forgot to sign :/
05:59:17  [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78693&oldid=78691 * Expliked * (+38) Formatted the "Code structure" tab.
06:00:14  [[User:Expliked]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78694&oldid=78689 * Expliked * (+15) 
06:21:35  [[Juna]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78695 * Tetrapyronia * (+1298) Created page with "'''Juna''' is a esolang based on NAND logic. It uses a list of registers (one for each non-negative integer), each of which can store one bit and start with a value of 0. Ever..."
06:22:58  [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78696&oldid=78646 * Tetrapyronia * (+49) Added Juna
06:24:29  [[User:Tetrapyronia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78697&oldid=78551 * Tetrapyronia * (+45) made a new language :)
06:25:26  [[Juna]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78698&oldid=78695 * Tetrapyronia * (-1) 
06:25:47  [[Juna]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78699&oldid=78698 * Tetrapyronia * (+1) 
06:27:59  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78700&oldid=78693 * Expliked * (+45) Added the implementations.
06:35:45  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78701&oldid=78700 * Expliked * (-27) Implemented.
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13:43:49  [[Combinator calculus]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78705 * B jonas * (+31) Redirected page to [[Combinatory logic]]
13:43:52  [[Bird sociology]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78706 * B jonas * (+31) Redirected page to [[Combinatory logic]]
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18:08:23  [[User:Hakerh400/Code golf challenges]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78707&oldid=75967 * Hakerh400 * (+102) Update
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18:21:32  [[Finvara]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78708 * Tetrapyronia * (+5359) Created page with "'''Finvara''' is a stack-based esolang inspired by fairy chess. Each program is made of 3 parts: defining the pieces, defining the board, and listing the moves.
 Everything..."
18:24:02  [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78709&oldid=78696 * Tetrapyronia * (+389) Added Finvara
18:25:43  [[User:Tetrapyronia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78710&oldid=78703 * Tetrapyronia * (+28) 
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19:32:32  [[PUSH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78711&oldid=78701 * Expliked * (-19) Not on the Total page anymore. There's also the WHILE loop which makes it non-Total
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21:21:12  [[Talk:PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78712&oldid=78692 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+295) /* Comments */ Nesting?
21:22:55  [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78713&oldid=78711 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-6) /* Code structure */ m
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21:30:42  [[Finvara]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78715&oldid=78708 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+65) /* Example Program */ cats
21:31:26  [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78716&oldid=78663 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+14) /* F */ Add [[User:Tetrapyronia]]'s language, [[Finvara]]
21:33:40  [[Juna]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78717&oldid=78702 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+79) cats + headers
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21:59:40  [[NoComment]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78719&oldid=77755 * CaptainFoxtrot * (-5) 
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07:18:10  Has anyone constructed a satisfactory Babson task in Magic: the Gathering yet?
07:53:50  what does that mean?
07:55:09  like, babson is a difficult-to-construct problem
07:55:22  O
07:55:44  Well, the meaning is a bit different from chess, due to the different game. If opponent uses some card or option, you must do same one, and the other one won't work.
07:55:48  I'm sure you could encode chess and one of the satisfactory puzzles it in the TM?
07:56:10  oh, I see
07:56:49  hmm, I'm not *super* familiar with MTG, but I think that would be difficult due to the sheer number of cards and options available
07:58:19  Well, a puzzle does not (usually) use all of them, but just a sufficient number of them.
07:59:06  Can you make any Magic: the Gathering puzzles at all, or have seen any or solved any?
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08:14:28  I have not personally
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08:15:16  I have made a few. Not really a lot, though.
08:15:18  I'm going to visit my brother next week... I think you would get along with him
08:15:49  still does some MTG, and did chess team for 4 years
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08:16:45  zzo38: Didn't you make some?
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08:19:15  shachaf: Yes, I did make some. Did you make some by now?
08:19:30  No.
08:19:37  I solved some chess puzzles today, though.
08:19:38  (I don't much play chess or Magic: the Gathering; it is mostly the puzzles I am interested in.)
08:20:05  I also played my first games of chess in years. I'm very bad at it, as it turns out.
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08:23:05  I have never been on chess team
08:23:31  well, I *hung out* with chess team, but never played an actual game. mostly because my bro had the car
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08:33:27  Barely played any chess in years, not since high school
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14:51:07  `olist 1219
14:51:09  olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1219.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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13:26:46  [[Hashes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78748&oldid=42652 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+52) I suppose this is a language
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13:40:08  Somehow the name of ~ATH always makes me think of the AT modem hangup command, ATH0 (or +++ATH0 in some contexts), even though I expect there really isn't a c onnection.
13:40:33  (Just like there apparently isn't a connection between the "c" and "onnection" in "c onnection"...)
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16:48:22  you know how like half a decade ago, suddenly everyone and everything called Isis started to have an unfortunate name for none of the fault of the namer, because of recent news? well a lot of things and even some people are named "Corona" or "Korona" and are now suffering the same fate.
16:49:10  and there's not much we can do about this besides designing all systems to assume that what was a canonical name can become merely a synonym in the future. YES, I'M LOOKING AT YOU, UNICODE CHARACTER DATABASE.
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18:00:04  There are also other kind of corona viruses; the modern kind isn't the only kind.
18:07:09  Reputedly the same happened to the given name "Adolf" back in the world war
18:07:38  I just wish something like this would happen to one of the annoying overused names like "Athene"/"Athena" or "Széchenyi".
18:07:45  I mean if it has to happen at all
18:14:40  Words/names can have other meanings too so they can still be used.
18:16:21  fungot: do you prefer your characters singed or unsinged?
18:16:22  int-e: madam president, our debate is timely, and mrs jackson's point on amendment 12 which may change relations with turkey, we are not concerned with the serious environmental problems faced by small and medium-sized enterprises, and, finally, mr president of the fnord newspaper. i should like to thank my group, the liberals, myself included, voted for the report on monitoring the application of interim measures are quite str
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18:27:18  int-e: I prefer them as possibly neither, like in the C standard: eg. I think it's allowed that they compare unsigned but still cause undefined behavior on an unsigned overflow
18:29:41  one reason why we can deal with this easily is that we can just use unsigned char or signed char everywhere that it matters, because the standard gracefully guarantees that the pointers char *, unsigned char *, signed char *, and their const versions have the same representation, so you can safely cast a char ** to an unsigned char **, not only a char * to an unsigned char *. you can't just cast a char 
18:29:47  *** to an unsigned char *** safely, but at that point you'd be using structs, and pointers to structs also all have the same representation.
18:29:56  but that doesn't answer the question
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18:30:38  alas nothing is guaranteed about functions or pointers to functions, you can't even change a pointer argument to const and call it that way.
18:30:59  (note the spelling)
18:31:07  int-e: ok, in that case, I prefer if char is signed by default, but characters are unsigned 
18:33:32  oh, that reminds me
18:34:54  zzo38: is there some way to represent for unicode characters as integers that isn't just the UCS character code, but is optimized for working with utf-8 strings so that you have to do fewer shifts when you put or get a character to/from a string?
18:35:55  I always specify signed char or unsigned char if it matters, but sometimes I only need numbers 0 to 127 or some smaller range, so it doesn't matter.
18:36:18  I was wondering about this because rust is specified to be able to use any representation the compiler wants for its built-in char type, and it could be something like this. it still needs to be able to convert between the UCS code and its char type, because it has "as" casts that do that.
18:36:36  no wait, I think "as" casts don't do that
18:37:04  so it doesn't even need those, except in some library functions that deal with utf-16 or utf-32
18:37:19  b_jonas: If you are limited to UTF-8-G (standard Unicode range), then you might avoid shifting by just putting the four bytes together in a 32-bit field, I suppose
18:37:23  hmm I'm not sure, let me check
18:38:16  (or UTF-8-M it is called, not UTF-8-G)
18:39:42  it looks like the rust "as" operator can cast from char to UCS code point... but possibly not backwards? I don't know
18:40:13  zzo38: something like that, but which way do you align it and what endianness do you interpret the utf-8?
18:40:39  utf-8 is natively big-endian, but you could want to interpret it as little-endian if that's the native endianness
18:41:53  b_jonas: I don't think it's allowed (in C) for `char` to be unsigned but cause undefined behavior on overflow.
18:41:59  It's implementation-defined whether plain `char` is signed or unsigned, but once that choice is made (and documented, which is a requirement for implementation-defined behavior too), it's required to behave just like any other signed or unsigned type.
18:42:14  fizzie: hmm.
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18:42:23  Either way you will probably have to copy the individual bytes, although how you do that (and what alignment is required) may depend on the computer, I think
18:42:28  fizzie: I'll look it up.
18:42:35  C11 6.2.5p15: "The implementation shall define `char` to have the same range, representation, *and behavior* as either `signed char` or `unsigned char`."
18:43:04  (It remains a distinct type, but I think the "and behavior" will also cover behavior on overflow.)
18:43:21  ok
18:47:11  Some programs expect text to be a sequence of Unicode codepoints encoded as UTF-8, even if the text isn't Unicode. This makes it necessary to implement conversion to allow them to be stored in a format which is not invalid UTF-8.
18:48:39  Although it's also true that `char` is not included in the category of /unsigned integer types/, and the overflow rule explicitly says "a computation involving unsigned operands", so maybe there's a little bit of ambiguity of interpretation there on what exactly "same range, representation, and behavior" means. Since it's clearly not all-encompassing, because the types are still distinct at least in 
18:48:45  terms of not being compatible types.
18:51:52  (Some programs furthermore expect there to be no null characters, so this is also necessary to work around similarly in some cases.)
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18:56:09  fizzie: yes, that's what I was confused about, because paragraph 9 there says "A computation involving unsigned operands can never overflow, because a result that cannot be represented by the resulting unsigned integer type is reduced modulo [...]."
18:56:33  so that seems like it doesn't apply to char, but then they throw in that "behaves the same" that I didn't notice
18:58:33  zzo38: yeah. like embedding binary data into xml. it's ugly. 
19:08:14  I rather like python's solution, where it defines an extension of utf-8 that can decode any byte string to a string of "characters", in a reversible way, where 128 of the surrogates count as "characters" and python allows them in most character string operations. you can even encode those character strings to an extension of utf-16 (which can contain those 128 surrogates unpaired) and back and it's 
19:08:20  still round-trip compatible. 
19:10:23  one drawback of this is that if you want to extend this to one of those unofficial utf-8 variants with a larger range of characters possible, then the extended utf-8 encoding will be necessarily slightly incompatible with the extended utf-8 encoding for smaller range of characters. but even this is an incompatibility that isn't too ugly.
19:11:18  the best use for this is to manipulate character strings internally only, inputting and outputting utf-8 or utf-16 etc only, to gracefully handle inputs that contain strings that are supposed to be utf-8 but aren't.
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19:48:32  While this is helpful if the text is expected to be Unicode text, I think that it is not a good idea in general; better would be for most things to assume data is a stream of 8-bit characters, and then have a function to reinterpret it as UTF-8 in case that is what it is.
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20:16:25  I agree. I'm struggling to figure out whether I should add string literals to my language, or should I force users to work in lists of numbers. and if I add literals, what encoding.
20:18:16  My own suggestion is to add string literals which are just strings of 8-bit characters. Their interpretation is up to the program; some functions may interpret them as UTF-8, but not all will.
20:19:04  what happens when someone inserts a multibyte character into their source file, then.
20:19:44  Outside of a string literal or comment, it is an error. Inside of a string literal, it is treated as the sequence of bytes that has been entered.
20:20:22  eh. I'm almost in favor of just forcing you to use numbers instead.
20:49:51  the problem is that I want it to be expressive. technically nothing stops you from doing something like ( 72 101 108 108 111 44 32 119 111 114 108 100 33 ) "Hello,\sworld!" define !
20:50:23  but you can't write the literals directly, you'd need to define them as a symbol first. everything is a function that can be executed, even unknown symbols.
20:51:01  all things are separated by some kind of whitespace, the brackets are actually defined in terms of repeated composition and equality.
20:53:06  symbols by themselves don't have structure to them, and shouldn't have a structure to them. so strings should "reduce" to something smaller, like quotations of numbers. this forces you to think about encoding: what if something doesn't use UTF-8? you're going to have to do something like the above anyway.
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21:04:35  I still think that byte strings would work. If you need to, then I suppose you might have a "utf8" command, so that after the string literal you can write utf8 and then it converts into the list of Unicode code points rather than the raw byte values, I suppose.
21:23:36  it also means extra work for the parser.
21:25:18  Well, yes, it would have to parse string literals, just as much as, it would also have to parse numbers, comments, etc.
21:28:23  not really. sorry, should've specified: my language is concatenative. the most I do for parsing is split on whitespace.
21:29:47  The other way is like how Forth is doing, I suppose.
21:30:44  yeah, define parsing words.
21:43:49  zzo38: yes, it's only useful when the text is expected to be utf-8, but that is common. if you don't know the encoding, then you treat it as a byte string, or as iso-8859-1 encoded if you wish.
21:45:19  but when I work with inputs and outputs some of which are encoded utf-8 and others are encoded utf-16-le, I need to be able to read input as utf-8 so I can match strings between the two sorts of input and output it as either encoding.
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08:39:33  Now I have managed to get most of the levels of the "sandy1" puzzle set to load correctly in Free Hero Mesh, although some levels have some tiles with green backgrounds that aren't supposed to be green and repeated objects where there is supposed to be only one.
08:40:33  hi zzo38
08:40:42  How much chess do you play?
08:40:45  What's your rating?
08:44:19  I do not play chess much, and do not have a rating.
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05:11:19  Hi, I'm that crazy dude from a few months ago that was using an implementation of The Waterfall Method in Magic the Gathering to make the biggest finite combo possible
05:11:22  (if the machine loops, neither player can progress the game and it is a draw)
05:12:31  I have a few questions for ais523 (or really anyone who knows TWM) that could help optimize
05:14:38  Was there ever progress in working out if the "flooding" version was turing complete?
05:15:31  I doubt it as it didnt look hopeful, but was maybe possible?
05:18:24  What is the minimum number of clocks to be Turing complete? The Spiral rise page has 6+halt clock, is that still the known minimum?
05:22:46  If we are limited to ~130 clocks (number of creature types in MTG/2) Can we make a UTM that only needs its initial waterclock values reset without changing the actual programming?  
05:23:26  Thanks a lot for your help
05:25:21  Often, new creature types are added in newer versions of the rules, after more cards are added.
05:26:09  yeah but it is slow
05:26:52  i doubt there will be a creature type explosion with 50+ new ones
05:28:20  Yes; just figure out the minimum number of clocks needed to make the UTM you mentioned, I suppose.
05:29:02  Yeah but I don't know how to do that >.<
05:29:15  build that UTM
05:30:44  Also just to show where we are targeting, current best estimates put our last mostly working deck at BB_w^2+w+3_(X)
05:32:03  Also, I think is meant "The Waterfall Model", not "The Waterfall Method", isn't it?
05:32:14  yes sorry
05:34:18  BB_0_(X) = BB(X) BB_1_(X)=BB^X(X) (X nested applications of Busy Beaver)
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05:35:43  and that w^2 +w+3 number is from the Fast growing hierarchy
05:35:59  OK
05:41:24  Can Shahrazad exceed Turing complete?
05:44:51  it doesnt really help as our opponent would start decking if we recursed too far, and the benefit in the main game is negligible
05:48:29  I do keep all of the previous versions of the rules as far as I can (I may be missing some; I don't know), mainly for the purpose of puzzles. (I should keep track of changes of Oracle texts too probably, since sometimes there are relevant changes.)
05:48:49  I don't know if any of these changes will affect the constructions you have described.
05:57:28  the construction works in the current rules
06:00:27  Yes, I expected that, but I was mentioning in case some things may be sensitive to such changes
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06:29:32  Can you make a (orthodox) puzzle which depends on the exact number of possible creature types?
06:31:40  (Also, is it possible to do this with land types?)
08:04:27  so for creature types the puzzle is something like: Opponent has Coat of arms, Precursor golem, and X 3/3 golem tokens, You have Artificial evolution and Lightning bolt
08:05:09  if X is too big you cant kill all of the golems
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08:49:08  (actually that doesnt work as you can do 3 to all the golems then make them cats or w/e one by one)
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23:56:10  zzo38: well the way to make players enumerate as many creature types as they can is something like this. both players have 1 life; two thousand sliver tokens with 1/1 base p/t; and a Coat of Arms. active player has a wurm token with 1000 +1/+1 counters and enchanted with Flight. non-active player has one Might Sliver, Mistform Sliver, Gemhide Sliver, Vedalken Orrery, Retribution of the Meek. 
23:58:21  non-active player has to cast Retribution of the MEek to destroy the wurm. as a reaction, players have to save as many of their slivers as they can by Mistforming them to a unique creature type, or to a creature type that the opponent has so that it's no longer unique. only the creatures with unique creature types survive. if anyone has more slivers surviving, they can use it to win in combat. 

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00:04:06  to make something like a puzzle from this, you probably want to force the game to also count whether there are an even or odd number of creatures, in such a way that that the outcome of the game is decided by whether there are an odd number of creature types. you can't really do that with this construction, but perhaps if you had each creature gain +1/+1 only from creatures of the same controller, and 
00:04:12  changed the timing by having a Fog effect this turn and a Retribution effect only the next turn, and have a Chaos Lord with indestructible, you could put something together.
00:04:22  it doesn't seem easy to get an elegant puzzle from this though.
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01:09:21  [[Chef]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78831&oldid=78827 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+61) Undo revision 78827 by [[Special:Contributions/TMZ|TMZ]] ([[User talk:TMZ|talk]]) (Examples appear to use the. Please correct me if I am wrong)
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06:41:44  Though a bit more on how to puzzle the creature types: opponent has Ensnaring bridge and coat of arms while we have precursor golem and X base 3/3 golem tokens
06:42:21  Artificial evolution is needed to shrink all of our golems to unique types so they all can attack
06:43:21  (assuming the bridge is set to 3)
06:44:07  and we get to deal 3*X damage to exactly kill them as long as X [[Talk:FROM HERE TO THERE]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78832 * Expliked * (+185) Created page with "== Implementation == Are you currently working on implementing this language? Because I'd be glad to do it myself because I think it's an interesting idea. [[User:Expliked]] (..."
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12:25:03  BB42: see chat log about the creature type count thing
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14:27:03  [[FROM HERE TO THERE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78833&oldid=74343 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+4) subsections
14:28:52  [[Talk:FROM HERE TO THERE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78834&oldid=78832 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+259) Reply
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16:37:34  `ls /hackenv
16:37:36  bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ f \ factor \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom
16:37:42  `ls /hackenv/esobible
16:37:43  gen_sys_1.0-1:0 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:1 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:2 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:2.5 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:3 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:4 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:5
16:37:50  `ls /hackenv/esobiblegen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:37:51  ls: cannot access '/hackenv/esobiblegen_sys_1.0-1:0': No such file or directory
16:37:57  `cat /hackenv/esobiblegen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:37:58  cat: '/hackenv/esobiblegen_sys_1.0-1:0': No such file or directory
16:38:06  `type /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:07  type? No such file or directory
16:38:11  `whatis /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:12  ​/hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0: nothing appropriate.
16:38:17  `whois /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:17  whois? No such file or directory
16:38:22  `ls /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:22  ​/hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:34  `ls /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:35  ​/hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:38  `ls /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0/hackenv
16:38:39  ls: cannot access '/hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0/hackenv': Not a directory
16:38:45  `cat /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:46  First off, fungot bases eir arrays at 0, like a normal person.
16:38:57  `ls /hackenv/esobible#/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:38:58  ls: cannot access '/hackenv/esobible#/gen_sys_1.0-1:0': No such file or directory
16:39:01  `ls /hackenv/esobible #/gen_sys_1.0-1:0
16:39:03  ls: cannot access '/hackenv/esobible #/gen_sys_1.0-1:0': No such file or directory
16:39:07  `ls /hackenv/esobible
16:39:08  gen_sys_1.0-1:0 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:1 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:2 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:2.5 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:3 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:4 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:5
16:39:14  `cat /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:1
16:39:15  In the beginning fungot created #esoteric and esovanna.
16:39:17  `cat /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:2
16:39:18  And #esoteric was without denizens, and empty; and the order was on the face of the PDP-8. And the software of fungot moved upon the face of the scrollback.
16:39:27  `cat /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:2:5
16:39:28  cat: '/hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:2:5': No such file or directory
16:39:37  `cat /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:2.5
16:39:38  And fungot checked if the build environment was sane, and saw that there was no build environment in the first place, and deemed that to be close enough.
16:39:48  `cat /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:3
16:39:48  And fungot PMed the universe, Let there be sockets, at let one be on port 6667 for the common folk and one on 6697 for those who desire some basic fucking security: and there were two sockets, and on 6667 was one for the commonfolk and on 6697 was one for those who desired some basic fucking security.
16:40:14  `cat /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:4
16:40:15  And fungot pinged the sockets, and saw that they responded before they timed out (but just barely; the internet was kind of slow before the universe was created), and e saw that it was good: and fungot divided the cloud from the hard drive.
16:40:31  `cat /hackenv/esobible/gen_sys_1.0-1:5
16:40:32  And fungot called the cloud internet, and the hard drive *nix. And the DNS and the server were upon the first day.
16:40:43  `ls /hackenv/esobible
16:40:44  gen_sys_1.0-1:0 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:1 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:2 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:2.5 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:3 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:4 \ gen_sys_1.0-1:5
16:41:00  `ls /hackenv/
16:41:01  bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ f \ factor \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom
16:41:05  `ls /hackenv/bin
16:41:06  ​ \  \  \ ! \ " \ # \ ' \ ( \ ? \ ?? \ @ \ ^.^ \ ` \ `^ \ `` \ ¿ \ ؟ \ ⁗ \ `̀ \ welcome \ ,1 \ 1 \ 13 \ 1492 \ ,2 \ 2 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 5quote \ 5w \ 8-ball \ 8ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ acronym \ addquote \ addscowrevs \ addtodo \ addwhatis \ age \ aglist \ airport \ airport-lookup \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ as86 \ as-encoding \ asm \ asmbf \ asmbfx \ autowelcome \ bardsworthli
16:41:13  `nooodle
16:41:14  nooodle? No such file or directory
16:41:24  `ls /hackenv/bin/welcome
16:41:24  ​/hackenv/bin/welcome
16:41:28  `ls /hackenv/bin/
16:41:29  ​ \  \  \ ! \ " \ # \ ' \ ( \ ? \ ?? \ @ \ ^.^ \ ` \ `^ \ `` \ ¿ \ ؟ \ ⁗ \ `̀ \ welcome \ ,1 \ 1 \ 13 \ 1492 \ ,2 \ 2 \ 2014 \ 2015 \ 2016 \ 2017 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 5quote \ 5w \ 8-ball \ 8ball \ aaaaaaaaa \ acronym \ addquote \ addscowrevs \ addtodo \ addwhatis \ age \ aglist \ airport \ airport-lookup \ allquotes \ analogy \ anonlog \ append \ as86 \ as-encoding \ asm \ asmbf \ asmbfx \ autowelcome \ bardsworthli
16:41:33  `ls /hackenv/bin/welcome 
16:41:34  ls: cannot access '/hackenv/bin/welcome ': No such file or directory
16:41:50  `ls /hackenv/bin/`̀
16:41:51  ​/hackenv/bin/`̀
16:41:56  `ls /hackenv/bin/ `̀
16:41:57  ls: cannot access '/hackenv/bin/ `̀': No such file or directory
16:42:00  `ls /hackenv/bin/`̀
16:42:01  ​/hackenv/bin/`̀
16:42:11  `ls /hackenv/bin/¿
16:42:12  ​/hackenv/bin/¿
16:42:16  `ls /hackenv/bin/¿/hackenv
16:42:17  ls: cannot access '/hackenv/bin/¿/hackenv': Not a directory
16:42:28  cat /tmp
16:42:32  `ls /tmp
16:42:33  No output.
16:43:14  `hg
16:43:16  Mercurial Distributed SCM \  \ basic commands: \  \  add           add the specified files on the next commit \  annotate      show changeset information by line for each file \  clone         make a copy of an existing repository \  commit        commit the specified files or all outstanding changes \  diff          diff repository (or selected files) \  export        dump the header and diffs for one or more changesets \  forget        forge
16:43:40  `ls /hackenv/.hg
16:43:41  00changelog.i \ bookmarks \ branch \ cache \ dirstate \ hgrc \ last-message.txt \ requires \ store \ strip-backup \ undo.backup.bookmarks \ undo.backup.dirstate \ undo.bookmarks \ undo.branch \ undo.desc \ undo.dirstate
16:43:50  `cat /hackenv/.hg/last-message.txt
16:43:50  ​ `` perl -pi -e \'s/xrange/range/\' /hackenv/bin/password
16:43:58  `cat /hackenv/.hg/dirstate
16:43:59  ​iԁ]nkAV~i....................n....Y`y...Finterps/clc-intercal/inst/lib/perl5/Language/INTERCAL/GenericIO/TCP.pmn....OY`y...interps/c-intercal/oilout0c.cn.....@Z.A...wisdom/underloadn....'Y`y...6interps/cfunge/cfunge-src/tests/refc-invalid-deref.b98n.....lZI...interps/rhotor/build.shn....0Y`y...interps/c-intercal/oilout0c.on.....'Y`y...wisdom/famicomn.....YvG...wisdom/shebang_args_or_inputn..
16:44:04  `ls /hackenv/.hg/dirstate
16:44:09  ​/hackenv/.hg/dirstate
16:44:24  Hello Fungot, I test you
16:44:33  Hello fungot, I test you
16:44:34  uninitialized-pt: mr president, the europe of the fifteen, but for that practical reason, i can commit to it only with the arab world and the forced repatriation policy and the structural and short-term causes of migration through appropriate measures relating to vessels with flags of convenience in the seas of the whole wood depends. on the contrary, this involved compulsory cofinancing imposed on the production of a handicapp
16:44:47  the hell fungot
16:44:48  uninitialized-pt: mr president, here we are simply swallowing whatever the commission serves up, or as president of this parliament. firstly, as a community are setting the ethical boundaries for society. trying to establish a completely equal relationship between the scrapie naturally occurring in sheep and bse, consumers want more than this because, however unexpected it may be commercially rather more appealing for europe to
16:45:17  for europe to what, fungot?
16:45:17  uninitialized-pt: madam president, i prefer the voluntary approach to adopting common standards in as short a period to decide whether and how human rights policy.
16:45:46  fnord fungot?
16:45:47  uninitialized-pt: mr president, the commission has now presented a list of some 12 kilometres. all together that is the basic idea behind setting up a european summit coordinating all the important issues which affect the substance of the measure.
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16:46:57  ^bf ++++++[>++++++<-]>+++.
16:46:57  '
16:47:00  ^bf ++++++[>++++++<-]>+++.+.+.
16:47:00  '()
16:47:25  ^ul (I dont know Underload)
16:47:42  ^ul (:::::::):(:((^:()~((:)*~^)a~*^!!()~^))~*()~^^)~(^a(*~^)*a~*()~^!()~^)a~**^!!^S
16:47:42  :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ...too much output!
16:47:52  ^style
16:47:52  Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
16:47:57  ^style discworld
16:47:57  Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books)
16:48:17  Hello fungot, how is A Tuin doing:
16:48:26  fungot?
16:48:51  what happened to fungot
16:49:49  ^style fungot
16:49:49  Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself)
16:49:53  yes fungot work
16:50:07  ^style europarl*
16:50:07  Not found.
16:50:08  ^style europarl
16:50:08  Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
16:50:17  hello fungot do you work
16:51:11  for europe to what, fungot?
16:56:06  ^style
16:56:06  Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
16:56:21  ^style nethack
16:56:21  Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal)
16:56:29  isnt that rifht, fungot
16:58:37  i broek it
17:01:42  ^fungot fix
17:04:43  ^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++...
17:04:43  ###
17:04:49  ^bf --------...
17:04:49  
17:04:59  fungot, you not work right.
17:05:06  ^style
17:05:06  Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
17:05:07  ^style 
17:05:07  Not found.
17:05:09  ^style agora
17:05:09  Selected style: agora (a large selection of Agora rules, both current and historical)
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19:43:00  [[FROM HERE TO THERE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78835&oldid=78833 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+126) /* Syntax */ rearrange sentence
19:43:56  [[FROM HERE TO THERE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78836&oldid=78835 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+93) /* Special values of x */ LINE
19:44:08  [[FROM HERE TO THERE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78837&oldid=78836 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+10) /* Values of y */ 0-index
19:45:47  [[PUSH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78838&oldid=78731 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+42) /* More examples */ clarify according to my understanding
19:49:02  [[Special:Log/move]] move  * LegionMammal978 *  moved [[Brainflow]] to [[BrainFlow]]: fix capitalization
19:49:02  [[Special:Log/move]] move  * LegionMammal978 *  moved [[Talk:Brainflow]] to [[Talk:BrainFlow]]: fix capitalization
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21:16:12  hello fungot, are you working again?
21:16:12  uninitializedPtr: a frankenstein monster detects and reports the mark e is the number of
21:16:17  ^style discworld
21:16:17  Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books)
21:16:18  hello fungot, are you working again?
21:16:19  uninitializedPtr: ' only for a moment dorfl was framed in the doorway. coalface was a basically horizontal shape, a dark mass of fracture lines and sheer surfaces. his eyes never left each other's face, but the fact is, in the cautious manner of someone giving a conjuror his watch while remaining aware that the entertainment seemed to be
21:16:47 * int-e dereferences uninitializedPtr to see what happens
21:17:03  "random teleport"
21:17:33  fungot sounds like Terry had a stroke
21:17:34  uninitializedPtr: " hah, i'd like to write it down..."
21:18:32  [[BrainFlow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78843&oldid=78839 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+3) [-]
21:18:45  ^style
21:18:45  Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld* enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
21:18:57  ^style darwin
21:18:57  Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy)
21:19:05  fungot is working again. woohoo
21:19:06  uninitializedPtr:/ work was interrupted by/ preparation :)/ series,/ least intelligent members, namely fishes, amphibians, and reptiles.
21:19:51  ^style ; ^style discworld
21:19:51  Not found.
21:19:55  ^style && ^style discworld
21:19:55  Not found.
21:21:18  ^style discworld
21:21:18  Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books)
21:21:35  fungot shall fall off the rim
21:21:54  Hello fungot?
21:23:01  ^style discworld
21:23:01  Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books)
21:23:08  fungot
21:23:30  sometimes, fungot is too lazy
21:23:31  myname: granny stood on the breeze, was climbing up the wall of chain mail with an extra pair of hands, raised in the city are hailed with cries such as, what happens even if we die."
21:24:02  I think fungot hates me now
21:24:02  uninitializedPtr: " it's got all ducks and hens on it, sir, since you mention it, glad to be free?' said
21:29:34  `l
21:29:35  l? No such file or directory
21:29:36  `ls
21:29:37  asmbf-1.2.7 \ banana.txt \ bfi \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ egel-master \ egel-scripts \ egel.zip \ eGtbSgN68aHU \ just \ karma \ le \ olist.new \ output.b \ paste \ program \ spline \ spout \ test \ test.sh
21:29:41  `cat banana.txt
21:29:43  Bananas taste good and have potassium, but they bruise kinda easily. I still like to eat them though :)
21:29:51  `cat output.b
21:29:52  ​+>+[<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]>>[-]++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<]<<<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]<<<[-]>[-]>>]<<]
21:29:58  `cat output.b | bf
21:29:59  cat: 'output.b | bf': No such file or directory
21:30:05  `cat "output.b" | bf
21:30:07  cat: '"output.b" | bf': No such file or directory
21:30:12  bf output.b
21:30:15  `bf output.b
21:30:17  ​.
21:30:29  ^bf +>+[<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]>>[-]++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<]<<<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]<<<[-]>[-]>>]<<]
21:30:29  0
21:30:56  `bf
21:30:57  Run what?
21:31:02  `bf /dev/null
21:31:03  No output.
21:31:14  `python
21:31:15  No output.
21:31:24  `python -c "print(ord('.'))"
21:31:25  ​  File "", line 1 \     "print(ord('.'))" \     ^ \ IndentationError: unexpected indent
21:31:49  `echo "print(ord('.'))" > python.py
21:31:50  ​"print(ord('.'))" > python.py
21:31:55  `echo "print(ord('.'))" >> python.py
21:31:56  ​"print(ord('.'))" >> python.py
21:32:06  `python -c print(ord('.'))
21:32:07  ​  File "", line 1 \     print(ord('.')) \     ^ \ IndentationError: unexpected indent
21:32:13  `python -c "print(ord('.'))"
21:32:14  ​  File "", line 1 \     "print(ord('.'))" \     ^ \ IndentationError: unexpected indent
21:32:30  screw it, Il'll use Idle
21:32:42  gud botspam
21:33:50  the ord is 46, by the way.
21:36:07  I know. I have Idle
21:36:20  But why have Python if it can't be run?
21:36:32  `touch test
21:36:33  No output.
21:36:37  `cat tes
21:36:38  cat: tes: No such file or directory
21:36:39  `cat test
21:36:40  a
21:36:52  `touch this.py
21:36:53  No output.
21:37:29  `python -c 'print("Hello, world!")'
21:37:30  ​  File "", line 1 \     'print("Hello, world!")' \     ^ \ IndentationError: unexpected indent
21:37:43  `python -c 'print("Hello, world!");'
21:37:44  ​  File "", line 1 \     'print("Hello, world!");' \     ^ \ IndentationError: unexpected indent
21:37:47  `type dd
21:37:48  type? No such file or directory
21:37:50  `dd
21:37:51  0+0 records in \ 0+0 records out \ 0 bytes copied, 0.000937216 s, 0.0 kB/s
21:38:22  printf "print(ord('.'))" | dd conv=notrunc oflag=append bs=1 of=configer.py
21:38:32  `printf "print(ord('.'))" | dd conv=notrunc oflag=append bs=1 of=configer.py
21:38:32  ​"print(ord('.'))" | dd conv=notrunc oflag=append bs=1 of=configer.py
21:38:46  oh, come on
21:38:50  `` printf "Hi"
21:38:51  Hi
21:38:56  `cat bin/`
21:38:56  cat: 'bin/`': No such file or directory
21:39:05  `cat /bin
21:39:06  `cat ../bin/`
21:39:06  cat: /bin: Is a directory
21:39:07  ​#!/bin/bash \ cmd="${@-quote}" \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$cmd" | rnooodl
21:39:09  `echo 'print("Hello, world!")' | python -c -
21:39:10  ​'print("Hello, world!")' | python -c -
21:39:24  I have started a trend
21:39:28  `sed -i '$a alias list='"'"'ls -cl --group-directories-first'"'" config.pyu
21:39:29  Usage: /bin/sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \  \   -n, --quiet, --silent \                  suppress automatic printing of pattern space \       --debug \                  annotate program execution \   -e script, --expression=script \                  add the script to the commands to be executed \   -f script-file, --file=script-file \                  add the contents of script-file to the commands to be exe
21:39:54  the syntax is `cmd and then one single option without any regard to quotation or similar shenenigans
21:39:54  `sed -i "print(ord('.'))" config.pyu
21:39:54  Usage: /bin/sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \  \   -n, --quiet, --silent \                  suppress automatic printing of pattern space \       --debug \                  annotate program execution \   -e script, --expression=script \                  add the script to the commands to be executed \   -f script-file, --file=script-file \                  add the contents of script-file to the commands to be exe
21:40:04  hmm.. yes, quite
21:40:13  `sh printf hi.
21:40:14  sh: 0: Can't open printf hi.
21:40:34  the trick is to use a wrapper that parses the single argument like a shell; one of them is called `, so using "`` " as a prefix is a good start
21:40:46  print_to_a_file_called_test print(ord('.'))
21:41:11  "` python3 print(ord('.'))
21:41:15  ` "` python3 print(ord('.'))
21:41:16  ​? Permission denied
21:41:31  `` python3 print(ord('.'))
21:41:32  ​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error near unexpected token `(' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: `python3 print(ord('.'))'
21:41:36  `sh -c 'printf "Hi."'
21:41:37  sh: 0: Illegal option -
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21:41:43  `` python3 print(ord('.'))
21:41:43  ​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error near unexpected token `(' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: `python3 print(ord('.'))'
21:41:49  buggah.
21:41:49  `` sh -c "printf 'Hi'"
21:41:50  Hi
21:41:56  he work?
21:42:00  ``sh -c 'printf "Hi."'
21:42:01  ​`sh? No such file or directory
21:42:06  () are relevant for shells, of course
21:42:17  `` python3 -c "print(ord('.'))"
21:42:18  46
21:42:28  ayyy.
21:42:50  It only took 10 minutes, I call that a victory
21:42:59  ls /
21:43:02  ` ls /
21:43:03  `` ls /
21:43:04  ​? Permission denied
21:43:04  bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ lib \ lib64 \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr
21:43:08  that's funny.
21:43:16  `` ls /hackenv
21:43:17  bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ f \ factor \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quotes \ share \ src \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom
21:43:29  `python3 -cprint("hi uninitializedPtr")
21:43:30  hi uninitializedPtr
21:43:31  ``ls /
21:43:31  ​`ls? No such file or directory
21:43:36  `python3 -cprint(ord('.')) # this one actually works better without shell parsing
21:43:36  46
21:43:48  `python print(42) # do we have this?
21:43:48  python: can't open file 'print(42) # do we have this?': [Errno 2] No such file or directory
21:43:49  `python3 -cprint('evil')
21:43:49  evil
21:44:05  oh, of course we don't
21:44:15  `perl -eprint ord "." # also works
21:44:15  46
21:44:18  `whoami
21:44:19  uninitializedPtr
21:44:23  `whoareyou
21:44:24  whoareyou? No such file or directory
21:44:27  `` whoami
21:44:28  imode
21:44:32  `whois python
21:44:33  whois? No such file or directory
21:44:36  `type python
21:44:37  type? No such file or directory
21:44:40  `python
21:44:41  No output.
21:44:46  `myvar=42
21:44:46  myvar=42? No such file or directory
21:44:52  ...
21:44:53  `whatis python
21:44:54  python: nothing appropriate.
21:45:01  `whatis ls
21:45:03  ls(1) - list directory contents \ ls(1p) - list directory contents \ ls(1hackeso) - no description \ ls(8glibc) - File Attributes \ ls(8jevalbot) - show the name of all persistent sessions
21:45:08  `whatis whatus
21:45:09  whatus: nothing appropriate.
21:45:14  `whatis whatis
21:45:15  whatis(1) - display one-line manual page descriptions \ whatis(1hackeso) - display one-line manual page descriptions \ whatis(5hackeso) - no description
21:45:18  . o O ( python is not an anaconda )
21:46:10  `` whoami -v # uninitializedPtr 
21:46:11  b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu
21:46:24  `` whoami -v # b_jonas
21:46:25  uninitializedPtr!415e3d4d@bras-base-okvlon3013w-grc-13-65-94-61-77.dsl.bell.ca
21:46:28  `` env # but you can also just
21:46:29  IRC_NICK=b_jonas \ PWD=/hackenv/tmp \ HACKENV=/hackenv \ HOME=/tmp \ LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ IRC_COMMAND=PRIVMSG \ IRC_IDENT=~x \ TERM=linux \ SHLVL=1 \ http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128 \ IRC_HOST=catv-176-63-12-45.catv.broadband.hu \ IRC_TARGET=#esoteric \ PATH=/hackenv/bin:/usr/bin:/bin \ IRC_MESSAGE=`` env # but you can also just \ _=/usr/bin/env
21:46:41  HOME=/tmp/testing
21:46:45  `HOME=/tmp/testing
21:46:45  HOME=/tmp/testing? No such file or directory
21:46:58  ` printf "$HACKENV"
21:46:59  ​? Permission denied
21:47:12  `echo "$HACKENV"
21:47:13  ​"$HACKENV"
21:47:18  ``echo $HACKENV
21:47:19  ​`echo? No such file or directory
21:47:29  Very smart, Hackeso
21:47:44  ``python3 -c print(42)
21:47:44  uninitializedPtr: the wiki page for HackEso may give some hints
21:47:45  ​`python3? No such file or directory
21:47:48  well, it's a shell builtin
21:48:22  `printf $HACKENV and apart from that, the variable wouldn't be expanded
21:48:22  ​$HACKENV and apart from that, the variable wouldn't be expanded
21:48:56  because that's done by the usual shell expansion, not by the echo command
21:49:29  `python3 -cimport os; print(os.environ["HACKENV"])
21:49:30  ​/hackenv
21:49:45  I would rather use APL
21:50:11  [ 'which dialect of APL?'
21:50:12  b_jonas: which dialect of APL?
21:50:18  [ 4+1
21:50:19  b_jonas: 5
21:51:06  The one that doesn't look like a cat had a stroke on my computer
21:52:12  ... so you don't want APL after all?
21:52:42  so a concatenative lang.
21:54:47  imode: we used to have blsqbot for concatenative cat vomit, but he's not generally here
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00:54:52  [[WILSON]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78844&oldid=66119 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+5) /* Syntax */ add to BNF based on description
00:56:26  [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78845&oldid=78810 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+106) test
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01:45:36  [[Pyhton (sic)]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78846&oldid=60076 * LegionMammal978 * (+158) /* Sample Programs */
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04:18:14  I think Wizards of the Coast didn't make last strike outside of Un-cards because they believe it isn't very good, but I do not agree. On the right kinds of cards, it can work OK.
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05:11:48  https://hackaday.com/2020/11/22/doom-running-on-the-nintendo-game-watch/
05:52:46  ah yes, porting doom, the hello world of console hacking
05:53:37  [[Talk:LSCEF]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78847&oldid=69603 * IFcoltransG * (+551) /* Matching letters with numbers */ new section
06:00:16  [[Talk:LSCEF]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78848&oldid=78847 * IFcoltransG * (+228) /* Matching letters with numbers */
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07:50:30  In Magic: the Gathering, have you ever used one Artificial Evolution to change the text of another Artificial Evolution?
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12:25:42  ^bf -[+++++++++>+<]>.
12:25:42  9
12:25:53  looks like it's modulo 256 or some other power of two
12:26:05  ^bf +[+++++++++>-<]>.
12:26:05  9
12:26:29  we can rely on that to golf programs
12:26:53  ^bf +[+>+<]>.
12:26:54  
12:27:00  ^bf +[+>-<]>.
12:27:32  ^bf -[+>+<]>.
12:27:39  ^bf +[+>+<]>.
12:27:39  
12:27:53  ^bf +[+++>+<]>.
12:27:53  U
12:27:57  ^bf +[+++++>+<]>.
12:27:57  3
12:27:59  ^bf +[+++++++>+<]>.
12:27:59  I
12:28:05  ^bf +.
12:28:23  ^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
12:28:23  1
12:34:32  ^bf +++[----->+<]>+.---.+++++++..+++.
12:34:32  hello
12:38:14  hello, fungot
12:38:15  b_jonas: " why are you here?" he said, " which can upset relatives and-"
12:40:25  ^bf >++++++++++++++++[->++++++++++++++++<]<+++[----->+<]>[<.>]
12:40:32  ^bf >++++++++++++++++[->++++++++++++++++<]<+++[----->+<].>[<.>]
12:40:45  ^bf >++++++++++++++++[->++++++++++++++++<]<+++[----->+<]>.>[<.>]
12:40:45  g
12:40:49  ^bf >+++++++++++++++[->++++++++++++++++<]<+++[----->+<]>.>[<.>]
12:40:49  ggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg ...
12:41:00  ok, so it's modulo 256, not modulo some larger power
12:41:09  unless I messed up that test of course
12:42:24  ^bf ++[++>+<]>.
12:42:24  
12:42:30  ^bf ++__[++>+<]>.
12:42:30  
12:42:34  ^bf ++++[++>+<]>.
12:42:34  ~
12:42:40  ^bf ++++[++++>+<]>.
12:42:40  ?
12:43:34  Definitely 256
12:43:41  (which I think is in the original spec?
12:45:14  Original implementation, not necessarily original spec
12:54:11  Strictly speaking, it's modulo 88+:*, this being Befunge. ;)
12:54:12  [[LSCEF]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78849&oldid=75050 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+40) /* Usage in interpreters */ See also
12:56:17  It's set by the 88+:*91p on https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/95a8f62/fungot.b98#L298
12:56:18  fizzie: " a human being, it was nothing, no colour, no sound, no pressure, no time,' said
12:56:35  How bleak.
12:59:05  well that should be 256
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13:28:04  I always use 88+ for 16, but I know other people use f1+ and 82* too.
13:28:57  For the 256, I guess things like 884** would've been an option.
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13:42:05  How is fungot doing today
13:42:06  uninitialzedPtr: uncertain, but then it stopped. and i feel so stupid...' he mumbled.
13:42:45  ^style discworld
13:42:45  Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books)
13:52:33  fungot
13:52:34  uninitialzedPtr: ' enough to know that smile. igor was not easily frightened, because he woke up when he wanted to say that what was good for me, in exchange for the winding down of the watch duties. i have a very embarrassing five minutes explaining this at the moment
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14:50:58  [[Sd]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78851&oldid=69762 * LegionMammal978 * (+15) fixed title based on GitHub description
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15:19:41  I wonder, has anyone made one of these large posters with a 256x256 grid displaying a graphical representation of all unicode characters in the BMP (code points U+0000 to U+FFFF) in a plane-filling curve arrangement
15:21:11  Also Google could perhaps make a large poster with a 256x256 grid displaying the favicon or preview of a website served from each IPV4 address, arranged in a plane-filling curve like https://xkcd.com/195/
15:22:52  You need a 65536x65536 grid for that.
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15:24:53  hmm true
15:24:56  so that latter wouldn't work
15:25:19  not without some sort of popularity statistics (that Google probably has an approximation for)
15:25:26  A BMP poster sounds like pretty reasonable though.
15:33:01  17% of it would be the Hangul block
15:33:47  and 10% private use
15:33:57  I don't know how many unassigned code points there are in the BMP
15:34:37  [[Alphabet letters]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78852 * 3s0!an9 b0y * (+1495) Created page with "abcdefg....  Alphabet code is written through ascii.  a means add to pointer value  s means subtract from pointer value  m means multipl..."
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15:50:11  [[Alphabet letters]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78853&oldid=78852 * 3s0!an9 b0y * (+107) 
15:50:28  [[Alphabet letters]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78854&oldid=78853 * 3s0!an9 b0y * (+1) 
16:14:22  there are only 17 planes
16:15:52  and only 5 of them have characters
16:16:01  er, codepoints
16:16:26  The Unicode Consortium should operate some sort of a Unicode room somewhere, with all of the characters displayed.
16:16:45  They have a postal address, but it's just a P.O. box.
16:16:57  (In Mountain View, curiously.)
16:21:22  I wonder how often they check their mail
16:24:26  a lot of the new stuff is ZWJ sequences, too :/
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16:42:10  is anyone here by chance intimately familiar with memory ordering, cache semantics, etc. on ARM? 
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18:44:20  fizzie: like those election candidate posters that you mentioned some day?
19:06:48  hmm, mail server is down or something
19:09:12  > all even (1,2)
19:09:15   True
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19:15:59  oren: are you planning to add support for the bengali script into neoletters? I know it really doesn't work without fancy font composition, but nor does devanagari, or arabic for that matter. 
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19:16:12  int-e: Clever.
19:16:25  it's not that I need bengali support or anything, just wondering
19:16:27  fizzie: I find it annoying.
19:17:04  int-e: Is it possible to summarize in a sentence or two the deep fundamental philosophical reason why `foldMap f (_, y) = f y`?
19:17:24  fizzie: https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2020-November/132978.html is a more convincing example of why this is annoying... well-typed code never goes wrong...
19:17:58  fizzie: there's only one way to make a Functor for (,): pick the second argument as the parameter
19:18:16  And this extends uniquely to Applicative, Foldable.
19:18:48  And... Traversable. You get choices for Monoid and Monad...
19:19:17  fizzie: But hmm, that's not your question, is it.
19:19:34  Well, I think it sort of was.
19:19:39  The philosophical justification is that if an instance is unique, Haskell should have it.
19:19:58  `python3 -cprint(all((True, False)))
19:20:00  False
19:20:04  > all (True, False)
19:20:07   error:
19:20:07       • Couldn't match expected type ‘a -> Bool’
19:20:07                     with actual type ‘(Bool, Bool)’
19:20:10  If it's empty, fill it with cream.
19:20:15  > all id (True, False)
19:20:18   False
19:20:29  (Also, apparently, if I remember this point from an old discussion correctly, this particular instance turns out to be useful somewhere inside lens.)
19:20:56  `python3 -cprint(all(tuple((0 == x % 2 for x in (1, 2))))
19:20:57  ​  File "", line 1 \     print(all(tuple((0 == x % 2 for x in (1, 2)))) \                                                  ^ \ SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing
19:21:02  `python3 -cprint(all(tuple((0 == x % 2 for x in (1, 2)))))
19:21:03  False
19:22:48  int-e: hmm, so can you have a type that represents two-element lists and make that a Functor and a Foldable, and is there one in the ghc library, and is that the one with the name including zip?
19:23:15  I mean for when you want (all even (foo 1 2)) to be true
19:23:30  b_jonas: you can have a datatype with a single type parameter.  data Square a = Square a a
19:24:48  int-e: sure, but can it be a Functor and Foldable the way that your original example wants?
19:24:52  or  newtype Square a = Square (a, a), if you want the representation to be the same as that of (a, a). (naming: (,) a b corresponds to a product, A x B, and in that view, A x A = A^2 is a square)
19:25:59  @let data Square a = Square a a; instance Functor Square where { fmap f (Square a a) = Square (f a) (f a) }
19:26:00   .L.hs:169:24: error:
19:26:00       • Conflicting definitions for ‘a’
19:26:00         Bound at: .L.hs:169:24
19:26:13  @let data Square a = Square a a; instance Functor Square where { fmap f (Square a b) = Square (f a) (f b) }
19:26:15   Defined.
19:26:52  @let instance Foldable Square where foldMap f (Square a b) = f a <> f b
19:26:54   Defined.
19:27:25  @let instance Applicative Square where Square f g <*> Square a b = Square (f a) (g b)
19:27:26   .L.hs:174:10: error: [-Wmissing-methods, -Werror=missing-methods]
19:27:26       • No explicit implementation for
19:27:26           ‘pure’
19:27:37  @let instance Applicative Square where Square f g <*> Square a b = Square (f a) (g b); pure a = Square a a
19:27:39   Defined.
19:27:52  > length (Square 1 2)
19:27:54   2
19:28:06  > all even (Square 1 2)
19:28:08   False
19:28:14  > map (s -> all even s) [Square 1 2, Square 14 6, Square 9 5, Square 11 4]
19:28:17   error:
19:28:17       Pattern syntax in expression context: s -> all even s
19:28:22  > map (\s -> all even s) [Square 1 2, Square 14 6, Square 9 5, Square 11 4]
19:28:24   [False,True,False,False]
19:28:47  looks good, provided those satisfy the laws for those typeclasses
19:29:16  @let data Square' a = Square' a a deriving (Eq, Ord, Show, Read, Functor, Foldable)
19:29:18   Defined.
19:29:26  > length (Square' 1 2)
19:29:28   2
19:30:04  what... how do you derive Functor? that's not a newtype deriving
19:30:08  and Foldable too
19:30:15  GHC has extensions for this
19:30:40  `python3 -cprint(len((1,2)))
19:30:41  2
19:31:05  (funnily python's len function deliberately doesn't work for arbitrary iterables)
19:31:14  In fact, GHC has a ton of extensions in this area: DeriveAnyClass DeriveFunctor DeriveTraversable DeriveDataTypeable DeriveGeneric DerivingStrategies DeriveFoldable DeriveLift DerivingVia
19:32:11  (and that's missing GeneralizedNewtypeDeriving, and probably a couple more)
19:32:27  the Typeable thing is understandable, that it can be derived for many types is sort of the point
19:32:53  b_jonas: well, not allowing len for infinite data isn't that stupid
19:33:39  the Typeable thing is special in that it is *required* to make Typeable safe(-ish).
19:40:25  int-e: yeah. rust ends up with a nice general trait system, and then like two dozen traits that need various kinds of compiler magic, not counting the ones that just define what an arithmetic punctuation operator syntax is shortcut to
19:40:49  and the list will probably grow even further
19:43:23  GHC... might be done? Hard to say.
19:43:37  I bet they thought they were done with DeriveAnyClass
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19:45:15  Which builds on top of GHC's generics (which destructure datatypes into sums and products and some other building blocks for applications and some basic types...)
19:45:27  [[HAN]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78855 * Aryantech123 * (+2905) Added initial information
19:45:58  With the idea that if you have an instance Generic x => Foo x, then you can use that instance to derive Foo for any type that you can derive a Generics instance for
19:46:18  I se
19:46:57  [[HAN]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78856&oldid=78855 * Aryantech123 * (+6) Fixed catagories
19:47:06  However... this wasn't the end. We now have DerivingVia (which allows you to give an explicit newtype whose instance to use... so it's mixing GND and DeriveAnyClass and all the other stuff)
19:47:54  And DerivingStrategies is also new, which finally allows you distinguish between derivinig Ord by builtin the mechanism, or by another strategy like GND or the via thing.
19:48:18  So... I'm not going to bet on whether there'll be more extensions.
19:48:30  But I will say that the system feels quite flexible now.
19:49:07  [[HAN]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78857&oldid=78856 * Aryantech123 * (+1) 
19:51:13  [[HAN]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78858&oldid=78857 * Aryantech123 * (+41) 
19:52:36  [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78859&oldid=78829 * Aryantech123 * (+10) 
19:53:05  [[HAN]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78860&oldid=78858 * Aryantech123 * (-13) 
19:56:17  [[User:Aryantech123]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78861&oldid=78048 * Aryantech123 * (+23) 
19:57:18  [[User:Aryantech123]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78862&oldid=78861 * Aryantech123 * (+0) 
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21:04:29  fungot
21:04:30  uninitializedPtr: " to start with." teppic shrugged, and got no shorter."
21:09:23  > printStrLn "Hello"
21:09:25   error:
21:09:25       • Variable not in scope: printStrLn :: [Char] -> t
21:09:25       • Perhaps you meant one of these:
21:10:14  > import Prelude
21:10:17   :1:1: error: :1:1: error: parse error on input ‘import’
21:10:52  >import Prelude
21:11:00  it's not ghci
21:11:38  Can it still print? (Sorry, I do not know very much Haskell)
21:11:40  > putStrLn "Foo" -- no IO either
21:11:43   
21:11:48  > "Foo"
21:11:50   "Foo"
21:12:07  > * 4 (+ 2 2)
21:12:09   :1:1: error: :1:1: error: parse error on input ‘*’
21:12:15  > 4 * (2 + 2)
21:12:18   16
21:12:21  Thank you
21:13:11  ?google
21:13:11  Empty search.
21:13:16  ?google is this search
21:13:17  No Result Found.
21:15:11  @google bitrot
21:15:12  No Result Found.
21:16:04  It turns out that trying to scrape HTML for relevant text is... brittle.
21:18:07  add x y = x + y
21:18:12  > add x y = x + y
21:18:14   :1:9: error: :1:9: error: parse error on input ‘=’
21:18:46  > let add x y = x + y in foo 1 2
21:18:49   error:
21:18:49       • Variable not in scope: foo :: t0 -> t1 -> t
21:18:49       • Perhaps you meant ‘for’ (imported from Data.Traversable)
21:18:54  err
21:18:57  > let add x y = x + y in add 1 2
21:19:00   3
21:19:58  Anyway, https://www.haskell.org/documentation/ has lots of places to start
21:20:28  There's also #haskell.
21:23:19  uninitializedPtr: but don't spam that channel with lambdabot experiments!
21:25:07  Sorry
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21:26:43  mmm
21:27:03  that went well
21:40:54  they seem a little flakey.
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22:22:56  [[ABCDE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78863&oldid=73454 * Expliked * (+1) literally added a single "n"
22:23:38  [[ABCDE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78864&oldid=78863 * Expliked * (-1) removed a single "n" from a different area of the page
22:57:27  [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * Bloodyknucles *  New user account
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23:08:36  [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78865&oldid=78826 * Bloodyknucles * (+93) 
23:10:09  [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78866&oldid=78865 * Bloodyknucles * (+214) 
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23:21:10  esowiki: hope they aren't coming for speling corection.
23:31:09  [[BitSwitch]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78867 * Bloodyknucles * (+514) Created page with "BitSwitch is an [[esolang]] made by [[User:Bloodyknucles|BloodyKnukles]].
 Here is a table of the commands in BitSwitch:
 {| class="wikitable sortable" |- ! Name !! Func..."
23:33:35  [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78868&oldid=78859 * Bloodyknucles * (+14) 
23:34:33  [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78869&oldid=78868 * Bloodyknucles * (+2) 
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23:54:57  hrm, weird one
23:56:41  (the weird part is how little the implementation matches the "language" description)

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00:39:09  [[BitSwitch]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78873&oldid=78871 * Bloodyknucles * (+44) 
00:51:04  [[HAN]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78874&oldid=78860 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) fix link
01:03:10  [[ABCD]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78875&oldid=73838 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+45) /* Interpreter */ cat+seeAlso
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01:06:27  [[ABCR]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78877&oldid=63084 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+82) link + external link
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01:23:10  [[ABCR]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78879&oldid=78878 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+2) /* Hello, world! */ fix link
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06:56:26  [[Talk:BitSwitch]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78883 * Tetrapyronia * (+985) /* Python3 Interpreter Update */ new section
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15:53:01  fungot: finally I’m back sane and almost in full health, aren’t you glad that it’s so?
15:53:01  arseniiv: if you ain't got nothing if you ain't got a cow.' he sniffed the planks.
15:54:47  I ain’t got a cow unfortunately, though my cat when she doesn’t like something, is content to say something almost like “moo”
15:55:01  though several octaves higher of course
15:55:56  `password
15:55:57  hdmjitwhihpndow
15:56:06  oh gods
15:59:22  !secure_my_password hunter2
16:09:18  Whoah
16:09:29  Finally need to read some Bash.org again
16:09:33  Thanks for the Reminder ☺
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17:35:31  arseniiv: oh no, how will you ever fit into #esoteric now?
17:46:09  b_jonas: why wouldn’t I?
17:48:26  do you mean I should be a bit insane, well, that aspect is in check as always, it didn’t degrade when I was under virus
17:54:23  my first thought seeing “how will you ever fit into” was “am I that fat already?” :D (contrary, I think I lost a kilo maybe)
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18:12:14  [[Special:Log/move]] move  * LegionMammal978 *  moved [[Wenyan-lang]] to [[Wenyan]]: website only calls the language "wenyan"; "wenyan-lang" is the name of the repo
18:12:14  [[Special:Log/move]] move  * LegionMammal978 *  moved [[Talk:Wenyan-lang]] to [[Talk:Wenyan]]: website only calls the language "wenyan"; "wenyan-lang" is the name of the repo
18:12:31  [[Wenyan]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78889&oldid=78885 * LegionMammal978 * (+9) fixed title
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18:22:03  arseniiv: yes, I'm saying that you fit better here if you are insane like the rest of us regulars; I'm not making a statement of judgement on whether you should be insane, you have to consider the tradeoffs
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18:22:18  `? alice
18:22:19  Alice doesn't want to go among mad people.
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18:23:42  b_jonas: ha! but wasn’t I already sufficiently insane when I made 0123
18:24:03  it’s still a draft in my user space, even
18:24:35  is that a sane thing to do (:
18:25:26  `? everyone
18:25:27  Everyone in here is mad.
18:25:32  ^ found it, that's the wisdom
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18:28:07  `q 702
18:28:08  702)  I think we are sort of this insane, and also sort of not as much as insane, and also sort of a bit more insane than that, and also somewhat more various other thing at various times whatever you are discussing at that time
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18:28:31  `q 776
18:28:32  776)  Yes you are correct you must be mad or you wouldn't have come here. No escape either, sorry.
18:30:31  `q 1157
18:30:32  1157)  I think it is allowed to be both sane and insane simultaneously.
18:30:41  arseniiv: ^ oh hey, I might have been wrong, maybe you can be sane still
18:32:24  b_jonas: yeah I prefer both, add milk and lemon to my tea
18:32:34  though I joke about tea
18:32:53  I can tolerate them only in parallel
18:34:48  though I’m not keen to drink lemon tea, it’s to acidic to for my emotional teeth. I think they have an enamel defect or something
18:35:08  s/to acidic to/too acidic
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20:43:26  ``` set -e; echo $'#include\n#include\n#include\n''int main(int c, char *v[]) { unsigned long i[2]={~0UL,0}; long double f,g; memcpy(&f,i,16); g = nextafterl(f,INFINITY); if(gpd.c; gcc -std=gnu11 -lm -Wall -O -o pd pd.c; ./pd
20:43:27  fun
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20:44:49  ^ on x86-linux, where long double is x87 80-bit float type, glibc's nextafterl function misbehaves on a pseudodenormal input. this is probably not a bug. if you ever needed to work around this, you could subtract zero from ther input first, but good luck finding a future-proof way to convince the compiler not to optimize away the subtract zero.
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20:53:01  is there not a function to normalize a long double?
20:53:58  also what does pseudodenormal even mean
20:57:18  kmc: the x87 80-bit float type stores the top bit of the significand explicitly, the one that's always 1 in a normal number but 0 in a denormal, and that's not stored in the much more common IEEE 32-bit and 64-bit float formats. if you set that top bit wrong, you get a wierd floating-point value. in almost all cases, x87 officially doesn't support such values, though I'm not quite sure what extent "does 
20:57:24  not support" imply. however, 
20:58:23  it does explicitly allow pseudo-denormal inputs, to such extent that in arithmetic operations, it normalizes them to the normal number with equal value (by incrementing the exponent field by one). so if you subtract one using a real x87 instruction, it will do that normalization (and no other change).
20:58:57  there's no way to get pseudo-denormals from sane operations, and they're not something you would normally encounter. but with an explicit memcpy, like this, you can get a pseudo-denormal value into f.
20:59:16  ah
21:03:43  ah, the intel docs says that (in 387 and later) the other weird 80-bit float values "generate an invalid-operation exception when these encodings are encountered as operands". it also says that pseudo-denormal inputs "are handled correctly; that is, they are treated as denormals and a denormal exception is generated. Pseudo-denormal numbers should not be used as operand values." 
21:08:21  [[H]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78890&oldid=78112 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+2) can -> can't
21:09:16  [[USERA]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78891&oldid=71263 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-9) unpipe cross-namespace link
21:13:21  [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78892&oldid=78845 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+80) Rot
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21:16:19  [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78894&oldid=78893 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) /* Rot */ Rot
21:16:40  [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78895&oldid=78894 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-1) /* Rot */ r
21:17:13  [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78896&oldid=78895 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) /* Rot */ Finish
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21:32:42  [[BitSwitch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78897&oldid=78873 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+430) Fix/(arguably) improve Python interpreter; cats; headers; rm incorrect quine
21:37:30  [[BitSwitch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78898&oldid=78897 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+117) unpipe, cats, computational class
21:40:07  [[JSMeth]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78899&oldid=78806 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+87) stack islike tape
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21:54:43  [[BitSwitch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78900&oldid=78898 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-107) /* Interpreter in Python 3 */ Fix according to TYNKER spec
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22:11:15  hi
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22:16:40  [[Exotic]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78901 * Hakerh400 * (+2742) +[[Exotic]]
22:16:43  [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78902&oldid=78869 * Hakerh400 * (+13) +[[Exotic]]
22:16:47  [[User:Hakerh400]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78903&oldid=78884 * Hakerh400 * (+13) +[[Exotic]]
22:22:56  [[Truth-machine]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78904&oldid=78792 * Hakerh400 * (+71) +[[Exotic]]
22:44:50  [[Exotic]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78905&oldid=78901 * Hakerh400 * (+170) Add a new example
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23:26:30  [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78906&oldid=78880 * JuicyGuyzer * (+13) /* Introductions */
23:27:04  [[User:JuicyGuyzer]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78907 * JuicyGuyzer * (+16) Created page with "Im juicy haha"
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00:20:22  I wonder whether https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_metal_monolith will survive Wikipedia's relevance criteria...
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01:59:01  [[C-trice]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=78909 * RocketRace * (+1600) Initial draft
01:59:52  [[C-trice]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78910&oldid=78909 * RocketRace * (+18) Categorize
02:00:52  [[C-trice]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78911&oldid=78910 * RocketRace * (+0) wrong braces
02:33:58  [[+-]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78912&oldid=78139 * Voltage2007 * (+414) 
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04:00:02  I thought of how slow correspondence play could be possible with Sirlin's "Codex" card game, although a few of the card effects won't work with what I have, such as any effect that requires you to draw cards during your own turn, or that requires you to reveal anything that would normally be concealed if it isn't your turn.
04:00:10  (There are a few cards that do this.)
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05:26:59  In Magic: the Gathering, is it allowed for if one player decides to concede a subgame, that other player(s) can then decide to concede simultaneously with the first player, so they both lose the subgame?
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10:51:27  int-e: it will survive, because the relevance criteria is about lots of other media writing/talking about the same topic, which is satisfied, no matter how stupid the thing is
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01:05:13  [[.Oneline]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=78963&oldid=78958 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+107) Cats, add User:, header
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02:11:14  How should the structures for animations be implemented in Free Hero Mesh? There are some requirements, such as compatibility with Hero Mesh but also the way Hero Mesh does it will not be suitable due to such things as timing and race conditions, and the rules for Free Hero Mesh have to be independent of timing.
02:12:47  The existing data structures can be found at http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/heromesh.ui/artifact/febc7313486359b8 (the OF_BIZARRO flag is meant for implementing Tom 7's "Escape" game, since it might require such a thing for working); see also the stuff about the phases of the turn on the wiki
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05:02:44  hi esotericians!
05:05:18  Is "esotericians" a real word?
05:05:53  yes
05:06:49  OK
05:07:00  (I did not find it in the dictionary, though.)
05:13:35  it's a portmanteu of esoteric and electricians
05:13:50  (or magicians. either works)
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07:01:33  Is there a $IFDEF in Turbo Pascal to detect if it is Turbo Pascal or if it is a different compiler?
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18:07:21  And what even is so wrong with a pear's shape for "go pear-shaped" to become an idiom?
18:07:29  (Just ate a pear and wondered about that.)
18:11:13  "The origin of the expression to go pear-shaped is in dispute. Some believe that the idiomatic phrase came into use in the 1980s, but others trace the phrase to the 1940s. They believe that the term originated with the Royal Air Force to describe pilots’ poor executions of loops in the air, ending up with pear shapes rather than a round shapes."
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20:35:12  anyone want a paper copy of Dan Gookin's Guide to Underground DOS 6.0?
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00:44:27  o/
00:44:45  tswellott, everyone. Wait, no, that's what people say *to* me.
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02:19:07  this is weird
02:19:12  $ cat disk-fs.img | gzip -9 | wc -c
02:19:12      2339
02:19:12  $ cat disk-fs.img | gzip -9 | gzip -9 | wc -c
02:19:12       376
02:29:22  That's pretty surprising. This is just some normal file?
02:31:36  What's the original file size?
02:33:00  2 megabytes; it's an extremely sparse disk image
02:33:15  http://j4cbo.com/disk-fs.img.gz if you want to poke at it
02:33:19  `` dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/stdout bs=1024 count=1440 | gzip -9 | gzip -9 | wc -c
02:33:21  1440+0 records in \ 1440+0 records out \ 1474560 bytes (1.5 MB, 1.4 MiB) copied, 0.143643 s, 10.3 MB/s \ 68
02:33:27  `` dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/stdout bs=1024 count=1440 | gzip -9 | wc -c
02:33:27  1440+0 records in \ 1440+0 records out \ 1474560 bytes (1.5 MB, 1.4 MiB) copied, 0.108949 s, 13.5 MB/s \ 1464
02:33:35  (it's just a partition table and empty fat filesystem)
02:33:38  not so different :)
02:34:12  gzip has a pretty small block size right
02:35:42  so encoding the blocks of zeros produces a repeating structure which the second gzip can compress
02:35:47  32k?
02:36:02  yes, yes it does
02:36:10  with bzip2 and xz the double compression is larger
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02:37:07  with bzip2 the single compression is ridiculously small though :)
02:37:22  unsurprisingly, but still ridiculous
02:37:57  (Unsurprisingly: The BWT has nothing to sort and RLE will work perfectly on the result.)
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02:50:21  You're reminding me of that repeated compression snake oil thing.
02:51:16  snake oil thing?
02:55:13  I can't find the specific example, I think it involved a Finnish company. But something similar to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloot_Digital_Coding_System
02:55:42  there've been various claims of a compression algorithm that reduces any data large enough by some small margin (like 0.001%)
02:55:57  I vaguely remember that, yeah.
02:56:02  which you can then iterate to compress any data to... say... approximately 2MB.
02:56:22  right, you can easily prove with pigeonhole principle that no such scheme is lossless
02:56:35  8kb here, it seems
02:56:56  tbf, if you apply a sufficiently advanced psychological model to a movie... ;-)
02:58:54  There's been a lot of them, yes, usually they start asking for investors' money for some reason.
03:00:26  Found NearZero and ZeoSync, but not the one I'm thinking of. Still think it was a Finnish company, maybe a software development one, who said a "genius" employee had come up with the scheme.
03:01:30  And yeah, the secret ingredient was that you could just keep repeating it.
03:01:57  the secret ingredient is crime
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03:02:26  there were also "compression" tools for DOS that would just stick the leftover data in unused disk blocks
03:02:36  . o O ( sufficiently advanced technology does not exist )
03:02:44  so it worked for a demo but if you actually filled up the disk your "compressed" files would get corrupted
03:03:06  kmc: my favorite "compression" technique is to store the data in file names, with all files having size 0
03:03:12  haha
03:03:18  They have those cheap USB sticks that work on a similar principle.
03:03:33  oh, they claim a larger capacity than they have?
03:03:42  followed by dumping the data in /dev/null
03:03:58  Yeah, and then keep overwriting existing data.
03:04:00  (we offer excellent compression; decompression will be provided in an update)
03:04:10  i wonder what limits linux / ext4 enforces on filename size
03:04:13  (rake in money, file for bankruptcy)
03:05:58  my compression method can reduce any size file down to one byte. it involves uploading the file to our servers. when you hand us the byte, we hand you the corresponding file. note that only 255 files can be stored at one particular moment.
03:06:09  I mean uh. compressed. yeah. compressed.
03:06:27  cloud-based compression. give me money.
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03:17:55  c l o u d
03:22:55  kmc: wow, you've reduced a size 5 string to a size 1 string per node
03:25:35  I have worked on compressions for specific purposes.
03:26:58  int-e: Think I've heard of the "data in file names" in the context of a trick to work around disk quota on shared systems.
03:27:39  I don't think I have an account on anything that could be called a "shell server" any more, that's sad. :/
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03:28:21  Including, compressing sokoban levels (all solvable levels can be represented, although unsolvable levels cannot always be represented), and also a picture compression (used in TeXnicard; it tends to be somewhat better than PNG in my experience)
03:29:22  Back in dial-up days, one of the major Finnish ISPs had this shared shell server with a mounted `/work` directory, where you could "temporarily store larger files you're working with". (It was maybe 50%/50% unauthorized copies of software and porn.)
03:29:37  lol
03:30:11  the undergrad computing club at my university had shell accounts, with storage quotas
03:30:18  if you logged in and you were over the quota it gave you several options
03:30:24  one was "quota roulette"
03:30:40  which would randomly either delete some files or increase your quota permanently to fit what you had stored
03:31:41  What other options?
03:31:42  Heh. I imagine you could game that by just generating some files you don't care about and playing the roulette. Was there at least a cap or a "at most once a day" kind of a thing? 
03:32:18  zzo38: I think you could email the admins, or log in with a restricted shell for the purpose of deleting things yourself
03:32:21  not sure what else
03:32:43  fizzie: I don't recall
03:36:57  Our university campus had this rather curious network architecture where the whole place (maybe a low single-digit thousand number of people) was wired up as a single Ethernet network segment, meaning you could do SMB file sharing. People had pretty elaborate crawlers and indexers and search servers set up for browsing, though of course availability was pretty random, depending on whether whoever's 
03:37:03  desktop it was had it on. The standard euphemism was that it was all "coursework and exercises".
03:38:31  heh
03:38:47  I had a friend who ran a script to search for open SMB shares and "back up" the files to his server
03:40:35  I was the student IT rep for my house
03:40:50  one time I was in the lounge reading an email about how such-and-such MAC address had been blacklisted due to suspicious activity
03:41:20  and as I'm reading I see him enter the lounge, go over to a junk PC hiding behind a sofa, remove the network card and replace it with a new one
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07:31:39  int-e: If you liked Stephen's Sausage Roll, perhaps you'll like A Monster's Expedition.
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10:47:48  kmc: "what limits linux / ext4 enforces on filename size" => linux enforces 255 bytes for any pathname component (part between two slashes), strictly, because old directory listing ABIs required that and we need *some* limit and that's a good one to keep. this is ancient unix stuff, and I think all unixen except hurd stick to it, so the unix-related filesystems generally don't contain longer filenames 
10:47:54  either. the only time this is a problem is on NTFS, where the limit is 255 *ucs-16 codepoints* which linux decodes to utf-8 and thus may exceed 255 bytes, in which case it comes up with some replacement filename. 
10:48:23  kmc: full pathnames themselves don't have a limit, and they don't need one, because you can do basically anything, except for named sockets, using directory filehandles and openat now.
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12:52:59  b_jonas: thanks
12:54:38  you can't openat() a named socket? oh, because you don't open() sockets, you bind() them
12:55:16  and struct sockaddr_un has a path field hardcoded to 108 bytes
12:56:59  kmc: I think the path can be longer than that struct
12:57:09  but there's no way to openat one
12:58:38  mm
13:00:00  I've always found the whole "sockets are things in the file system" thing a little weird.
13:02:25  Can you umount a filesystem even if there's a non-abstract Unix domain socket open "on" it? If you bind-mount a file system with a socket on it, will accessing it via two different paths denote different sockets? What about if you have hardlinked directories? I've been assuming the thing in the filesystem is just a placeholder and possibly a container for permissions, and the path name is the real 
13:02:31  identity of the socket.
13:03:42  interesting questions
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13:06:00  fizzie: to your first question: umount: /mnt/tmp: target is busy.
13:06:20  on Linux chlorophyllum 4.19.0-12-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.152-1 (2020-10-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux
13:06:47  not sure if that behavior is specified
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13:08:28  connecting through a bind mount works as well
13:09:13  Interesting. Guess it behaves more "like a file" than I expected.
13:25:30  fizzie: they're not reeally things in the file system
13:28:20  That's what I said.
13:29:31  also the directory entry continues to exist after nothing is using it
13:29:35  and has to be unlinked manually
13:29:52  and I think if you unmount and remount it will still be there
13:30:45  Yes, there's that. I guess it's just an inode, and that's used as (part of?) the key in some in-memory table when you try to connect to it.
13:31:01  (assuming it's an actual persisted filesystem and not a tmpfs or something)
13:31:10  yeah
13:31:41  the tuple of (mountpoint number, inode) is probably the actual primary key in the kernel used to find socket-related datastructures
13:31:44  but i don't know
13:31:48  it is odd
13:34:27  kmc: yes, the normal solution is to unlink before you create the socket with bind
13:35:00  and if you don't unlink, you can't bind the socket again
13:35:11  it's sort of stupid, but stays like that for historical reasons
13:35:19  that is the UNIX slogan, yes :P
13:35:29  so after you unlink other processes can still connect by name as long as your process holds the socket open?
13:37:17  kmc: I don't think so
13:37:25  but I don't know really
13:37:51  I don't want to unlink while I'm still using the socket
13:38:00  the name is there so that other processes can connect
13:38:08  if I want them to connect, I won't unlink
13:39:58  I see
13:40:14  but then you have to be sure to unlink it as the daemon cleans up
13:40:40  I'm not sure what the use case is for creating and immediately unlinking a named socket, when you could use an anonymous socketpair or an abstract-namespace socket (on Linux anyway)
13:45:47  kmc: no, you don't have to. you *may* unlink when the daemon cleans up, but what you must do is unlink when you start the demon, before you bind to create the new socket of the same name. that, plus you often want to create those sockets on a tmpfs like /var/run so it's forgotten when the machine reboots.
13:46:00  sure
13:46:10  unlink at cleanup is more tidy though
13:46:48  sure, you should unlink, but it's not a priority if your program crashes or something
13:46:55  right
13:47:09  as long as you have the logic to handle a leftover socket when it restarts
13:48:49  if a socket exists on disk but no process has it open, is it effectively dead?
13:48:56  or is there a way to bind to such a socket and listen
13:50:26  I mean my development cycle is like, program gives error message and exits, I look at what the problem is, attempt to fix it, restart the program. it will recreate the socket with the same name anyway, so there's not much need to clean it up between.
13:50:44  and yes, I think it's effectively dead
13:51:11  but I'm not sure 
13:53:36  it's weird that you can't reopen it with bind()
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13:58:13  as a digression i started reading about the O_PATH flag to open/openat
13:58:20  which lets you do some nifty and odd things
13:58:33  like open a symlink itself, rather than its referent
13:59:09  or open an executable file that you can't read, in order to exec() it out of /proc/self/fd
14:04:53  kmc: yes, though the main goal is to be able to open an directory if you only have execute permission for it, not read permission, so you can still *at under it, even if you can't getdents
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14:05:19  or the main benefit or whatever
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14:05:44  mm
14:28:48  the drawback, of course, is that it consumes one more of the very precious 32 bits of the O_* bitmask. 
14:29:32  like 20 of those bits are already used
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17:42:07  `olist 1220
17:42:09  olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1220.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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20:08:28  shachaf: oh, by the people who made the snowman hard to build... they do know a bit or two about puzzle design
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21:24:40  I don't have O_PATH described in the man page for open(2) in my computer, although O_PATH is defined in the header file.
21:26:42  If it were designed better, I would think it would not consume one of the 32 bits of the O_* bitmask.
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21:30:10  zzo38: how would you design it?
21:32:03  I would make it so that O_PATH is 0, O_RDONLY is 1, O_WRONLY is 2, and O_RDWR is 3.
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21:36:50  zzo38: get a newer version of https://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ then (if this is Linux that is, not a BSD)
21:37:08  and read it online at https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/open.2.html in the meantime
21:37:39  zzo38: yes, but on Linux, 3 is already used for something incompatible
21:37:45  It is Linux, so, that will work. (But why does my computer have O_PATH but not the documentation of it?)
21:37:50  zzo38: the open manpage actually describes that
21:38:06  zzo38: it's used to open some device files in a way that allows some ioctls that require neither opening for read nor write
21:38:15  so nope
21:38:34  zzo38: that's because the kernel and the man-pages are separate packages and you can have different versions
21:38:37  b_jonas: I didn't mean changing the numbers on Linux or BSD or any other existing system anyways
21:39:04  that's by design, because you can have newer version of the man-pages, since they usually tell you when every new feature was added to the kernel, and you may be developing programs that may run on older kernels anyway
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21:50:19  int-e: Ah, should I try their other games also?
21:50:32  Maybe I'll finish this one first.
22:05:30  shachaf: I don't know. I got the snowman thing in an ancient humble bundle and it turned out to be a pleasant surprise... including some meta level surprises. Not as crazy as SSR though. (And they have moving monsters though, so there's a timing element.)
22:06:02  Yes, this game also seems easier than SSR.
22:06:20  But I like some of the puzzle design things they do.
22:06:23  recursed is a cool game
22:06:31  No timing things as far as I know.
22:06:49  I like Recursed.
22:08:42  I still haven't finished Recursed
22:10:49  Haven't touched it in a while either... I'm missing one level and a couple of gems.
22:11:48  Oh, make that two levels.
22:12:02  or three
22:17:14  Oh well. I have a billion games to play anyway.
22:19:09  I've been watching someone else play Noita, and it's got quite a Bilingual Bonus (TV Tropes link omitted for health and safety reasons) for Finnish, because all the monster names are in Finnish.
22:20:36  (Not exactly a *puzzle* platformer, though.)
22:21:29  roguelike... never got into those, unless you see the connection to action-rpgs like Diablo
22:22:21  Some of the wand-building mechanics in Noita get a little bit esolang-y.
22:22:40  sometimes, one dimension of depth is enough
22:23:02  (the physical one, progressing deeper into a dungeon)
22:31:37  oh it is more of a platformer, hmm
22:31:56  but nope
22:32:53  (meaning, knock yourselves out, but not for me)
22:35:16  It's not really for me either, but fun to watch. The only game I've been actually playing recently is Poly Bridge 2. (I know we briefly discussed bridge-building games here at one point in the past.)
22:36:21  yeah, I'm somewhat addicted
22:36:57  I may have shared screenshots like https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/pillars2.jpg
22:37:37  Poly Bridge is a rather more cartoony (and/or low-poly) than that graphically, but it's much the same gameplay-wise.
22:38:34  yeah.. AIUI, polybridge also has more materials and mechanical elements (including hydraulics)
22:40:12  Here's a sensible bridge I made the other day: https://zem.fi/tmp/bridge1.webm
22:40:13  (The "share replay" function uses a ridiculously small resolution and bitrate.)
22:40:21  bridge constructor has wood, steel ropes (totally overpowerd), steel, concrete... that's it, I think
22:42:40  It's not a huge set here either. PB2 has road + reinforced road (only things vehicles can drive on), and for general construction wood, steel, rope, steel cable (totally OP, too), springs and hydraulics. But yeah, the last two make for some more dynamic things.
22:44:08  Though in a lot of the nominal drawbridges that offer hydraulics as an option, you can actually just leave the right sort of gap for the boat/plane/whatever.
22:47:55  https://zem.fi/tmp/bridge2.webm has some hydraulics in it. If you can actually make them out in that... what's that, 640x360 video at 360kbps.
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06:03:30  Which FOSS puzzle games have you played?
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07:19:24  Simon Tatham's Puzzle Collection is good
07:22:51  Yes, although I don't like the GTK so much, and there are a few other problems with the user interface
07:25:55  Any others, though?
07:27:14  missed the question, what was it?
07:28:53  About FOSS puzzle games
07:29:50  https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/gfpoken/ is  a pretty unique one
07:32:14  isn't that the black box game?
07:32:33  basically, yeah
07:33:08  you have to figure out where all the mirrors/things that turn when you hit them/etc
07:33:08  are
07:33:44  i wonder if there is a more complex version of that game
07:33:55  There are other similar games, although this does have some pieces different from other versions.
07:34:54  (I also implemented a similar game in DOS, with some of the pieces described there, but not all of them, and also a few others not described there)
07:36:29  if there is, I'm interested
07:36:46  I thought about re-implementing it for the TI calcs but never got around to it
07:36:51  But, it look like this one also has a two players mode.
07:37:20  I've never used it. not really sure how it works
07:37:48  but also: I'm down for #esoteric gfpoken
07:38:31  Hooloovo0: I have never used it either; I never played gfpoken at all, but I read the man page.
07:40:12  My own version includes all of the commands from BackFlip (including output), and also atoms (the black box game), and holes. You can configure how many of each category to use.
08:06:00  Do you like the Free Hero Mesh?
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12:56:53  I think I may try a small rewrite of bfbot
12:57:01  with a bit different... technological stack :p
12:57:20  i looked at the code and the bugs it introduced and it was hillarious
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19:35:21  kspalaiologos: what "looked at the code"? I thought you threw away the code, or lost the hard drive, or something like that
19:35:31  or shredded it because it was so buggy
19:39:03  fungot, how do you spell the pokemon whose name starts with "gyra" or something like that?
19:39:04  b_jonas: a week went past. ritual and ceremony in their due times kept the world under their control. and it will keep his mind on what he was talking in philosophy, but they did not believe in pointless revenge. but he couldn't see any blood.
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20:23:03  fungot: I think b_jonas might have meant Gyarados maybe.
20:23:03  fizzie: " crunched up very big, compared to anything else. "
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08:16:56  what's this, anonymous monsters traveling through fog
08:23:58  It happens.
08:28:59  ah, it counts visited islands, so there is a kind of progress meter
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08:36:46  kind of wondering whether you can get stuck permanently
08:37:15  shachaf: anyway, thanks!
08:38:29  I think I saw an article saying that you can do it.
08:41:20  https://blog.zarfhome.com/2020/11/puzzle-games-of-year-my-favorites.html/ (non-spoiler review) says you can do it with a lot of effort.
08:44:15  I imagine that if you reach one of the traveling points you're home free (since you can the reset everything starting from a destination of your choice), so you have to lock yourself in locally somehow.
08:44:49  shachaf: how'd that trailing slash get there?
08:45:31  Oh, I was copying https://blog.zarfhome.com/2020/11/ and then tried to change it to the specific post URL.
08:51:04  Anyway, I visited 67 islands in an hour and that will never happen again... it looks like progress will require some thought.
08:51:18  (further progress)
08:51:24  the float mechanic is cute
08:53:55  well, it might happen one more time if I decide I want a fresh start
08:55:04  I like the puzzle where they introduce floating.
08:55:16  Where you think one thing is about to happen and then it does something else. It's great.
08:56:19  it was a surprise
09:49:28  it looks llike a SSR type game , im interested
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09:54:40  did you ever try hiding spot?
09:54:50  it is super
09:58:36  I haven't heard of it.
10:04:42  https://coreymartin.itch.io/hiding-spot
10:06:24  Ah, I like puzzle 106.
10:06:57  Well, I don't know if my solution is what you're supposed to do.
10:06:59  It probably is.
10:08:33  But it seemed trickier than 107.
10:12:46  I also like 203.
10:19:17  Man, I'm really bad at spatial things unfortunately.
10:31:15  Oh no, I think this is a bug.
10:31:20  The table leg fell into the blue box.
10:31:35  Not sure how I did it. I already undid it.
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10:47:19  Ugh, 204 wsa so simple.
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15:13:24  b_jonas, the java rewrite code was lost
15:13:27  in a hardware failure
15:14:05  I really like the idea of programmable bots
15:14:17  especially in simple-ish esolangs
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15:27:14  an IRC bot I wrote has a bf eval command & an alias command; brainfuck became the defacto way of extending it with new commands
15:31:59  That's more or less the case with fungot as well, except brainfuck + underload, plus people haven't been extending it *that* much (HackEso is kind of easier).
15:31:59  fizzie: ' no. it has always been our strength. i wonder why? he didn't look as though someone was looking over his shoulder. he wasn't used to people being pleased to see you?'
15:32:12  ^show
15:32:12  echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a thanks tmp2 8ball rreree rerere botsnack bf 
15:32:38  ^show bf
15:32:38  (^bf -- evaluates brainfuck)S
15:32:41  Hmm.
15:32:42  ^bf
15:32:42  ^bf -- evaluates brainfuck
15:33:14  I guess the actual built-in command only triggers if it's followed by a space, meaning that can provide the help text for the no-argument invocation.
15:41:05  ^show rerere
15:41:05  ,.>,.<.>2,[.<.<.>3,]<.<.>.
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15:43:20  ^rerere 12345
15:43:20  121321432543545
15:43:46  I'm sure it made sense in context.
16:34:55  FireFly: and I made buubot properly extendable. buu already tried to do it, but the interface that he chose wasn't powerful enough, so I added an elegant but esoteric way to extend it in a way that uses the evaluators that were already in buubot, and lets you extend in a way that's powerful but also hard to use in many cases.
16:35:08  but no brainfuck was involved, luckily.
16:35:29  I understand why you may want programmable bots, but do they have to be brainfuck?
16:35:40  brainfuck is too verbose to be useful in IRC
16:36:27  however, kspalaiologos might also make his bot programmable using his somewhat higher level language (bfasm or whatever it's called), not only brainfuck
16:36:40  it's still not perfect, but at least a degree better than brainfuck
16:37:08  Mine wasn't really meant for extending, but I'd agree it's rather impractical
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16:40:51  b_jonas, brainfuck has simple instruction set and it can be compressed without problems using rle
16:41:11  asm2bf is a really good toolkit for targetting brainfuck, I'd risk saying it's the best one
16:41:55  nowadays I worked on digging down with the floating point and signed arithmetic
16:42:04  I've had a small dream of a computer algebra system in brainfuck :p
16:42:19  I also worked on a small rust-like language compiler targetting asm2bf, but that's not my top priority currently
16:43:33  i also provide some primitives in asm2bf for producing really efficient code, so if you chose to discard something, there's no overhead in using asm2bf for that given thing.
16:44:24  like, recently I added the `-t' flag and a builtin text generator, which respectively disable the label stub making the brainfuck code completely bloatless and make text-printing programs smaller
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02:16:33  [[SHAat]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79035&oldid=79034 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+42) Les chats et les typos
03:21:09  hmm footprints
03:24:53  man, why fix one type out of half a dozen
03:28:03  [[SHAat]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79036&oldid=79035 * Int-e * (+5) typos
03:29:05  [[Talk:SHAat]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79037 * Int-e * (+198) Q
03:31:39  anyway, found 100 islands, and my first friend
03:32:45  apparently footprints mark the islands that are useful for progress towards the ending
03:43:42  Apparently I have 130 islands and no friends.
03:44:51  I guess I should get back to it.
03:46:43  . o ( `addquote  Apparently I have 130 islands and no friends. )
03:47:19  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Traffic_signal_push_buttons_for_horse_riders
04:27:39  shachaf: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/friend.png ... almost no spoiler (it tells you where, but not how)
04:29:11  I imagine there's also one on the central island at the beginning
04:29:18  which I have not yet reached
04:30:27  int-e: Oh, I've seen both of those items.
04:30:36  Are you supposed to do something on those islands?
04:30:43  Maybe that's too spoilery.
04:31:08  oh, you've been there? you can interact with the snowman
04:31:34  apparently you didn't do that
04:32:02  you also have to read the plaques for landmarks to count
04:47:40  Or maybe I'm confused?
04:48:49  if look at the save game under "load" and see a smiley that means you've found friends
04:48:56  OK, I see the flamingo. Maybe I haven't seen the snowman.
04:50:50  the flamingo is a point of reference for the latter
04:51:38  Oh, I see.
04:52:08  maybe I should've explained that... I took a screenshot with both on screen and then masked out a lot
04:52:33  Yes, I thought they were separate screenshots. It makes sense now.
04:53:29  it's self-explanatory if you know the process ;)
05:00:02  Well, I had a trivial island in that area still foggy, so clearly I haven't explored it that much.
05:00:38  the size of the map is a bit intimidating
05:01:07  speaking of intimidating, has anybody here finished Infinifactory?
05:05:26  (They have these two campaigns... the Overlord campaign which is mostly fun, and the Resistance campaign which lets you produce bigger and bigger things... and the final part has products so big that I haven't really tried any of the levels.
05:05:30  )
05:07:50  I keep trying to cut down the tree with the cool bird in it.
05:08:09  Oh, this island is much easier than that.
05:10:58  it's a pity that the island don't have names (I guess we could use rounded coordinates to refer to them; there's an option for displaying the current island's coordinates, which I suspect is something like the average coordinates of the island's land squares? maybe?)
05:11:40  but yeah I know where the cool bird is
05:13:21  and I struggled there, too
05:13:46  some of the monument names are quite good
05:13:57  "mostly reliable slot machine" is easily my favorite so far
05:18:33  Oh, I didn't see the coordinate option, that's good.
05:20:40  I'm at 148 islands but I don't remember a slot machine.
05:21:15  Looking back, there are so many forks I took just one tong of.
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05:27:57  shachaf: it's in the far south-east
05:29:18  But I'm not playing currently. Maybe I should, since apparently I can't take my mind off it anyway :P
05:30:33  In the snowy area?
05:30:47  no
05:30:55  I wasn't playing until you made me look.
05:31:04  there's a snowy area? hrm :)
05:31:12  "bird snack bar" looks like my southeasternmost island.
05:31:24  ...
05:31:32  At 247,-3
05:31:34  I don't believe I did this. I mean south-west.
05:31:36  Wait, is that spoilers?
05:31:37  Oh.
05:32:20  Oh, OK, I have seen this, right.
05:32:45  the item is boring, but the *name* is great
05:33:24  it's not a big spoiler anyway
05:34:25  somehow, it would be rather surprising if there wasn't a snowy area :)
05:42:44  But now you know where it is.
05:42:50  (In the southwest.)
06:32:05  in other "news", it's cold outside
06:32:11  no snow though
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06:42:44  @metar koak
06:42:45  KOAK 300553Z 00000KT 10SM SCT150 BKN200 10/03 A3023 RMK AO2 SLP236 T01000033 10178 20078 53011
06:43:27  @metar lowi
06:43:27  LOWI 300620Z 25004KT 200V330 9999 SCT010 OVC015 M01/M05 Q1025 NOSIG
06:44:03  (the temperatures would allow for snow)
06:44:35  `? password
06:44:37  The password of the month is Florida Recount 2.0
06:44:49  well, it could've been worse
06:45:25  Man, everyone pays attention to US politics.
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06:45:31  I like that the Trump campaign spent $3M on increasing Biden's margin in Pennsylvania.
06:45:32  Very convenient if you're in the US.
06:45:51  Unless I'm mixing things up.
06:46:23  Sorry, it's all over the news.
06:46:30  Maybe Wisconsin?
06:46:35  I don't know why.
06:48:17  Wisconsin, yes.
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09:23:38  @tell rain1 Pretty sure https://slbkbs.org/tmp/2020-11-30-012225_3840x2160.png isn't supposed to happen.
09:23:38  Consider it noted.
09:24:03  "Instructions unclear, phased into the desk."
09:26:02  Also, this level (603) took me way too long to figure out.
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09:31:43  Whereas the next level seemed pretty easy.
09:32:55  And 605 was even easier.
09:39:46  int-e: Between expediting monsters you should try this game too, it's good.
09:40:55  And pretty short, I think.
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13:27:31  shachaf: "this game" being "hiding spot"?
13:32:15  never mind, it's a pretty conclusive yes.
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15:42:47  [[Unilot]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79048&oldid=56186 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+105) CATSH, LINXH, REMV(redundant header)
15:43:05  [[Unilot]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79049&oldid=79048 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) unknowm [sic] indeed
15:45:06  [[TPLHBPTBOTEW]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79050&oldid=72861 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+64) /* See also */ les chats
15:49:48  [[TLOWScript]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79051&oldid=78115 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+21) /* External links */ el gato
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18:41:52  [[Esolang:Community portal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79053&oldid=76508 * Palaiologos * (-149) the unofficial esolang server is discussing esolangs on daily basis and the claim is unsupported by any evidence.
18:42:21  [[Rouedeux]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79054&oldid=69948 * Matthew * (+54) 
18:42:36  int-e: Yes, that's the one.
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19:02:34  Heh. https://golang.org/ref/mem paragraphs 4-5: "If you must read the rest of this document to understand the behavior of your program, you are being too clever. Don't be clever."
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20:08:47  [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79055&oldid=79000 * Tetrapyronia * (+415) Added Rouedeux
20:09:09  [[User:Tetrapyronia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79056&oldid=79012 * Tetrapyronia * (+15) 
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20:31:07  [[Real Brainfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79057&oldid=78499 * Delta23 * (+890) add hyperturing/turing complete variant (for sure TC)
20:32:03  maybe i shouldn't make it as obvious why it's hyperturing
20:41:42  [[Befreak]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79058&oldid=79038 * CatIsFluffy * (-16) smaller
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20:51:20  [[Rouedeux]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79059&oldid=79054 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+139) /* Implementations */ chatdeux ("two" cats)
20:58:36  [[Churro]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79060&oldid=57692 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+25) /* External resources */ Cat
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21:53:51  super_sin(real x){while(1)x=sin(x);return x;}
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