< 1609029470 505139 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1609029565 876657 :cheeze42!49d412e5@c-73-212-18-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1609030063 139325 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esoteric Verilog14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79667&oldid=59473 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+27) 10/* Imperfect computing */ cat > 1609030458 842004 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Ecstatic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79668&oldid=77808 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+89) 10/* Hello, World! */ Cat and see also > 1609030564 240603 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CompressedFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79669&oldid=51764 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+106) 10cats /* Implementations */ < 1609030895 821779 :cheeze42!49d412e5@c-73-212-18-229.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1609031971 442756 :jess!jess@freenode/staff/jess QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1609034179 809620 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is well known that there are a lot of things named after lagrange, and a lot of things named after euler < 1609034221 255746 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there only one thing named after both lagrange and euler? < 1609035081 526850 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, I don't know. < 1609037502 813657 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1609040363 716041 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1609040385 812779 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1609041535 343660 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1609041876 621793 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79670&oldid=79577 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+36) 10added CV(N)(C) < 1609042797 81590 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1609042857 400113 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1609043714 363664 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 JOIN :#esoteric > 1609043752 371085 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tetrapyronia14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79671&oldid=79545 5* 03Tetrapyronia 5* (+15) 10 < 1609044088 497725 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bxlxdvdlytlsrqzf JOIN :#esoteric < 1609045742 774655 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1609046397 981608 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com) > 1609047371 30394 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lisparser14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79672&oldid=78747 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+0) 10 < 1609049984 47661 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1609050248 57781 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1609053031 511464 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1609053388 371976 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1609053415 645348 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1609053627 78049 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bxlxdvdlytlsrqzf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1609061831 291161 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf did my mouse die? < 1609062008 859534 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it was just out of battery. way too soon after purchase. oh well. < 1609062149 130605 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also merry Christmas < 1609062161 239265 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, curious... were the batteries included < 1609062179 382988 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1609062185 46991 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is outside the sphere of my experience; I have a cabled mouse < 1609062213 252391 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I do have some experience with batteries included with products... and most of the time they suck < 1609062240 330972 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact the battery included says "OEM, Not for retail sale < 1609062241 100527 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1609062262 469129 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a quite nice mouse btw, I should buy a second copy some time < 1609062306 656406 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, hmm the wireless mice I've seen used had their own rechargable battery and a special platform to provide electricity < 1609062383 468798 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can recommend it: Microsoft U7Z-00003 Wireless Mobile Mouse 1850 black mouse, with USB receiver, AA batteries < 1609062397 41806 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My wireless mouse uses standard AA batteries so I just use rechargeables < 1609062435 407813 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I know there are ones without rechargable batteries, but I prefer the ones with replacable batteries. at least these days, when wireless mouse consume little power. < 1609065007 983884 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1609065490 82245 :rain1!~My_user_n@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/kksfqi/i_dont_know_what_actually_happened/ puzzle and soltution < 1609065671 365543 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Removed - Not Unexpected" <-- makes finding the puzzle harder than solving it < 1609066019 122986 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1609066507 388265 :imode!~linear@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1609070008 151753 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:810b:89c0:22f2:c47:4f22:7a09:f51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1609070049 550936 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.207.193 JOIN :#esoteric < 1609072227 482520 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, it's sort of magical how our home gas appliances work without electronics. appliances that fall back to turn off safely when there's no electricity, that I understand. but gas stoves, water boilers and heaters (with pilot lights) working without electronics controlling them, how the fuck is that ever possible? < 1609072373 720828 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :valves and other clever mechanical engineering. some of it may even involve bimetallic strips < 1609072464 121521 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a valve doesn't do anything by itself. you control it either by electronics or by another valve. < 1609072482 487979 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "valves" doesn't really explain it to me < 1609072488 27971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at the details of how people use tortoise-and-hare to find hash collisions, they're pretty surprising. < 1609072489 339982 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, I couldn't make it work either. I know barely enough to make it not seem magical. < 1609072527 59031 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hmm. is there a paper of web page you're alluding to specifically? < 1609072528 869188 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also say often that washing machines seem magical to me. < 1609072534 430952 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/of/or/ < 1609072556 559221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: My friend showed me some code. < 1609072626 844202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes like this, approximately: < 1609072627 910459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :let tortoise = 0; let hare = 0; do { tortoise = f(tortoise); hare = f(f(hare)); } while (tortoise != hare); < 1609072654 462983 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know this one. I never implement it anymore though < 1609072671 743035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :let x, y; while (tortoise != hare) { x = tortoise; y = hare; tortoise = f(tortoise); hare = f(hare); } < 1609072679 228126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then x,y is a collision. < 1609072698 609349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finding a cycle isn't the part I'm surprised by, it's finding a collision. < 1609072712 399584 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have a hare running a head leaving markers behind at... usuaully... powers of two. < 1609072719 239462 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahead < 1609072738 980410 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably has its own name that I don't know. < 1609072779 965390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_detection#Brent's_algorithm ? < 1609072811 972028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still not entirely intuitive to me why the second step works. < 1609072825 516549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it doesn't, because I forgot to set tortoise = 0 before the loop. < 1609072840 877998 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's the one < 1609072940 499866 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've pondered Gosper's version too but I didn't find it all that attractive. < 1609072984 661502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this for cycle finding or collision finding? < 1609073063 129630 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1609073127 234448 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess it's really about the cycle detection at that point. < 1609073201 809191 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:810b:89c0:22f2:c47:4f22:7a09:f51 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1609073273 482590 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79673&oldid=79670 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10/* Definer */ Fiks spelyng < 1609073298 705087 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last time I experimented with collision finding I didn't worry much about the efficiency of extracting a collision once I have found two starting points leading to the same distinguished point. < 1609073316 434874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this method doesn't use distinguished points at all. < 1609073319 391375 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd run the computation of the distinguished point again, twice. < 1609073331 472414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distinguished point method I have no problem with, but it doesn't need tortoises or hares. < 1609073355 654450 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :once to find the difference of the lengths of the two chain, and a second time to actually pinpoint the actual collision < 1609073367 83318 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chains < 1609073394 358603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I stored the difference in the table when I computed the chains. < 1609073400 335440 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same thing applies to finding a single cycle < 1609073422 187254 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and its starting point) < 1609073422 308106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distinguished point method has nothing to do with cycles, does it? < 1609073450 315790 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a common problem < 1609073497 627128 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both methods give you values a, b, c such that f^k(a) = f^l(b) = c for some k and l. < 1609073577 564358 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, assuming that the sequence starting at a isn't a suffix of the sequence starting at b or vice versa, you can extract a collision. < 1609073633 472929 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I solved that problem (inefficiently) using just a,b,c, so that method applies to identifying the starting point of a cycle as well < 1609073710 202288 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is specific to the distinguished point method is that this computation really *is* expected cheap compared to finding suitable a,b,c. < 1609073750 610720 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas in the cycle finding case the computation on this naive level may easily double your computation time or worse. < 1609073832 30943 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... hmm. Yes, I can believe that there are some cute tricks. < 1609073856 357367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe I was missing something that should have been obvious about this. < 1609073899 921071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, no. < 1609073999 457063 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I think of it is finding the largest n <= min(l,k) such that f^(k-n)(a) != f^(l-n)(b). < 1609074157 983414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may not be the best way at all, especially if you have memory available to leave a trail of breadcrumbs. < 1609074247 42308 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, the speedups for finding collisions are magic too < 1609074266 265709 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I sort of understand them better than the engineering in gas appliances < 1609074317 872705 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that I have some confidence that I can sort of figure out what you can speed up how much and what can't (not perfectly, but somewhat), but I don't know how to tell what you can implement without electricity and what you can't < 1609074398 949717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I finally got it, I think. < 1609074423 417818 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you run the Floyd thing and the tortoise and hare meet, you know that f^t(0) = f^2t(0) = c < 1609074443 812844 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have f^(id)(s) for 0 <= i <= N/d, then you can test f(k),f(k+1),...,f(k+d-1) against that table to check whether you're inside the cycle < 1609074456 421899 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right, so the period divides t < 1609074466 194235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means if you start with 0,c and keep applying f to each side, after times you'll get f^t(0),f^t(c) < 1609074472 441886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which we know are equal. < 1609074483 299534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you apply f until the first time they're equal. < 1609074603 856964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I'm so bad at thinking about this somehow. < 1609074625 535743 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: whereas in Brent's method, you get f^t(0) = f^2^k(0) for some k,t, so you need a bit of modular arithmetic to get started. < 1609074646 629982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how Brent's method works yet. < 1609074669 996972 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for can advance to a t' >= t with t' = 0 (mod t - 2^k). < 1609074675 885306 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for? you. < 1609074728 747043 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the t in Brent's method satisfies 2^(k+1) >= t > 2^k) < 1609075172 953025 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So what is the purpose here? Finding hash collisions, or finding the starting point of cycles? < 1609075189 558966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The context was finding a hash collision (of sorts). < 1609075196 231207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference? < 1609075208 903544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I don't know why I said that. < 1609075227 216495 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference is that cycles tend to be long, so things parallelize badly. < 1609075267 632918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the goal was to write the minimal amount of code to do it. < 1609075282 113118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the number of hash function applications was only in the billions. < 1609075305 113248 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1609075359 74961 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That indeed makes tortoise and hare attractive :) < 1609075369 130300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Pollard lambda method is the most reasonable in general. < 1609075386 377868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you can parallelize it easily, tune memory usage, etc. < 1609075400 437042 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that was my confusion. > 1609076000 604419 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CV(N)(C)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79674&oldid=79659 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+45) 10/* Cat program */ Add [[User:Tetrapyronia]]'s Truth-machine > 1609076026 900588 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07CV(N)(C)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79675&oldid=79674 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+60) 10/* "HI" */ hm < 1609076315 915089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Thanks for clarifying despite my stubbornness. < 1609076339 798366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns out the Wikipedia page I linked to even talks about finding the start of the cycle, which I somehow thought it wasn't. < 1609076409 105663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the other thing I was unsure about with the tortoise and hare was, can the hare ever miss the tortoise the first time around the cycle? < 1609076463 782172 :jess!jess@freenode/staff/jess JOIN :#esoteric < 1609076485 896671 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pick a cycle of length 1 and a long preamble... 9876543210000000000 < 1609076574 302229 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be able to compute the exact number from the length of the cycle and the length of the non-cyclic prefix, but it'll be prone to off-by-one errors :) < 1609076616 242815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cycle of length 1? < 1609076810 726071 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tortoise has to walk the whole prefix, and then a few more steps until the number of steps is divisible by the cycle length. < 1609076839 435994 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :At which point, if the cycle is shorter than the prefix, the hare will already have been around the cycle several times. < 1609076858 553773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure. < 1609076867 30265 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) = x <-- cycle of length 1. < 1609076910 665625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean is specifically whether the hare can jump over the tortoise after the tortoise has entered the cycle. < 1609076923 607853 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1609076932 929055 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the distance changes by 1 in each step < 1609076936 515290 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 2. < 1609076959 231221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, that's a good point. < 1609076997 644880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that answers everything. < 1609077396 366407 :Arcorann!~awych@159-196-65-46.9fc441.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1609077519 602974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other thing I learned about recently was minimap perfect hash functions. < 1609077569 256892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "hash, displace, compress" method seems pretty simple. < 1609078120 41374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, so the idea of the Brent thing is that the tortoise is too slow. < 1609078160 684727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so if you've been going for a while without the hare seeing the tortoise, maybe the tortoise should teleport to the hare. < 1609078174 197427 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 1/3 of the calls to f are spent on letting the tortoise catch up < 1609078190 195284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1609078207 260614 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the teleporting eliminates that cost, though obviously that doesn't come entirely for free < 1609078212 506802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So here the tortoise stands still, and once in a while it teleport to the hare. < 1609078235 58014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And once the gap between teleportations i large enough (larger than the length of the cycle), the hare can go all the way around and find the tortoise. < 1609078235 229992 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because now you'll generally find the cycles a bit later < 1609078272 201610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now, hmm, you no longer have this f^t(0) = f^2t(0) property (as you were saying). < 1609078288 404707 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1609078327 192414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead you have... < 1609078344 640848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some point that's on the cycle, and the number of steps it took to get to that point. < 1609078407 321230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can you do with it? < 1609078561 931094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no. < 1609078568 722289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have the cycle length, of course. < 1609078650 353780 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.7.2+deb3 - https://znc.in < 1609078650 373478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, you answered everything above. < 1609078652 726545 :xelxebar_!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1609084136 175016 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:810b:89c0:22f2:c47:4f22:7a09:f51 JOIN :#esoteric < 1609084521 291413 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:4924:a919:41ab:c8f1 JOIN :#esoteric > 1609084846 619773 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Template:C14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79676 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+320) 10Add C > 1609085357 801082 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Template:C14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79677&oldid=79676 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+80) 10Fix < 1609085418 149568 :zseri!~zseri@ip4d158239.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1609085508 210165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chicken14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79678&oldid=77795 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+824) 10/* MiniChicken */ Add translator to/from Chicken < 1609085619 714273 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:810b:89c0:22f2:c47:4f22:7a09:f51 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1609085934 273690 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:810b:89c0:22f2:c47:4f22:7a09:f51 JOIN :#esoteric > 1609085999 253698 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79679&oldid=79470 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-126) 10Shovel > 1609086093 120948 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79680&oldid=79679 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+3) 10/* Ini */ m < 1609087115 241335 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1609088461 770182 :zseri!~zseri@ip4d158239.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Quit: zseri < 1609089603 395163 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:810b:89c0:22f2:c47:4f22:7a09:f51 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1609093045 591981 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.207.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I also say often that washing machines seem magical to me. => but they are. If we’re to believe some people. they use FuZzY lOgIc, which is by definition a sort of black magic < 1609093122 346274 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.207.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very much hope that at least some washing machines don’t use fuzzy inference ans do use instead a normal humane statistical inference like Markov-something-Bayes-something < 1609093132 279737 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.207.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ans/and < 1609093208 651976 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: at my last apartment there was a gas leak caused by the landlord's idiot "handyman" turning off the gas and then turning it back on without relighting all the pilot lights < 1609093219 805527 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not all appliances handle that properly :P < 1609093225 566070 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.207.193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I believe fuzzy models don’t have easily extractable semantics and statistic models do) < 1609093239 322911 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think the ones that shut off if the pilot light goes off use a thermocouple to detect it, so are electronic in nature < 1609093308 257133 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least electrical < 1609093386 159769 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermocouple#Gas_appliance_safety < 1609093415 501673 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that the thermocouple itself generates the voltage needed to keep the pilot valve open, and this is how the appliance works without an external electrical power supply? < 1609094340 173497 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1609094357 592040 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1609094482 557260 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1609094509 150353 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1609094677 822635 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1609094821 569806 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1609094821 910074 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1609095113 133178 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1609095133 506002 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1609096681 708862 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that... shouldn't happen. gas appliances do shut off when the pilot light or flame goes off. all stoves and gas ovens do, and I think all heaters should too. < 1609096779 899697 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, the market seems right, because good washing machines, good gas stoves, heaters etc are quite expensive, so you pay for the magic. so it's not magic from an economic perspective, only from an engineering one. < 1609096791 162680 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, only from the perspective of a non-engineer like me. < 1609096854 848079 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1609096868 7723 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :For something purely mechanical, a valve operated by a bimetallic strip still seems plausible to me. < 1609096889 759130 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pilot flame may be small but it's still quite hot. < 1609096973 908042 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, some may work that way < 1609097036 147247 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1609097040 899557 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I took an emergency preparedness class where we were specifically warned about this problem, and then a few months later it happened to me personally. so no, not all appliances automatically shut off when the pilot light goes out. they may be old or malfunctioning, but they do exist < 1609097075 241760 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's why they say if you shut off the gas supply to your house you shouldn't turn it back on without a gas technician there < 1609097168 502102 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, it's possible the idiot handyman messed something else up and we got the wrong explanation secondhand < 1609098056 521824 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b98aa4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1609099492 415932 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hmm, when was this? < 1609100048 963392 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :last year < 1609100847 558348 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this is not a wisdom that I heard, and I have shut off and restarted gas in this apartment multiple times, and I think I may have done it in my parent's apartment too. It might apply if you use shoddy gas technicians, or any of that very old gas technology found in old houses. < 1609100917 169323 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and I've experienced the opposite problem recently, where the thermal sensor of the convector went wrong such that it wouldn't keep the gas on even if the flame was forced for several minutes. the gas replairman replaced it, and now it works fine again. < 1609101027 20446 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything, it's non-gas electric appliances where I've experienced that they can be unsafe, like this electric heater in the bathroom that turned on in the middle of the night for no reason (admittedly only the fan, not the heat; it was its last run, I've unplugged it since, but haven't physically removed it from the wall yet), < 1609101057 583944 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or cheap electric kettles that go wrong and don't ever turn off even when the water has been boiling for a while. < 1609102441 89746 :ice303!~sandros@82.191.60.94.rev.vodafone.pt QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1609103101 497524 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1609104010 714111 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:4924:a919:41ab:c8f1 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1609104129 517637 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TP14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79681&oldid=68016 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* External resources */ cat > 1609104645 438878 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Deutsch14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79682&oldid=67940 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+32) 10CAT and LINK < 1609104953 536730 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric > 1609104963 446043 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EXAMPL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79683&oldid=63865 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+28) 10cat < 1609104979 907429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Electric showers were a thing I'd not seen before moving to the UK. < 1609105009 911002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they good? < 1609105047 434280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are better expensive ones, but the one in our previous rented place was cheap and kind of not so great. < 1609105082 513696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cheap kind don't have independent flow and temperature controls, they just have two power settings (turning on one or both heating elements) and fine-tuning the temperature is done by adjusting the flow rate. < 1609105113 585705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in wintertime, you get a pretty small trickle of water to shower with. < 1609105142 163071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the plus side, by definition they won't run out of warm water, because it's all made on-demand. > 1609105699 310800 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Etre14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79684&oldid=37917 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-9) 10Unpipe < 1609105813 269767 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how can you run out of warm water? < 1609107286 693090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, the same way you run out of anything else. Using it faster than it gets heated up, and sufficiently long to exhaust whatever amount you have stored pre-heated. < 1609107289 722088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't say I've ever lived anywhere where that's really been an issue (or even reasonably feasible), but I don't think it's a foreign concept. < 1609107569 649461 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but couldn't you heat the water with electricity before it gets to your shower and therefore neither have to deal with electricity in your shower nor running the risk of missing hot water? < 1609107718 613863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not my field. But I take it a "general-purpose" water heater is not designed to heat up water particularly *fast*, it just has a tank of some suitable size that's kept hot and ready for use, which can then run out. < 1609107753 374107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_heating#Storage_water_heaters_(tank-type) "In household and commercial usage, most North American and Southern Asian water heaters are the tank type, also called storage water heaters, these consist of a cylindrical vessel or container that keeps water continuously hot and ready to use. Typical sizes for household use range from 75–400 L (20–100 US gallons). -- < 1609107759 380475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a popular arrangement where higher flow rates are required for limited periods." < 1609107862 124740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say in general UK flats tend to be more "independent" than what I'm used to. The place with the electric shower was in a moderately sized (~30 flats?) building, and where back in Finland that would have definitely had a building-wide hot water and heating, here it was all per-flat. < 1609107883 825821 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1609107888 923980 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah uk and water is kinda weird < 1609107914 978000 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i hate the idea of separate faucets for cold and hot water < 1609107920 147677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This new place doesn't, but I feel like it's more the exception, and even here they have a per-flat "HIU" that measures the amount of energy used so that it can be billed per-flat. < 1609107950 795370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's weird too, though orthogonal to the issue where the hot water's coming from. < 1609108159 331553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a third thing: they just don't seem to get district heating here. It seems to be treated as some sort of exotic novelty. < 1609108230 411379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think *now* they have some bigger plans along those lines, what with all the climate things.) < 1609108552 555166 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: there are two types of water heaters for showering and dishwashing. the better kind heat the water as it flows through the pipe, in which case you can't run out of it. the worse kind has a big tank of water that it heats, and you use the warm water from its top, if you use up a full tank of water quickly you get cold water for the shower. < 1609108581 561536 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^ < 1609108615 82878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty much the gist of my Wikipedia link, except with a less emphasis on the better/worse axis. < 1609108632 627951 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" like, i hate the idea of separate faucets for cold and hot water" => yes, that's a weird thing that the UK does for some reason. I don't understand it either. < 1609108654 481159 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :historically it was done to keep clean and potentially dirty water apart < 1609108674 379027 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody wanted to change that < 1609108748 666043 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't understand these tiny taps for bathroom sinks that are so low that you can barely fit anything in the path of the water. like, would a few more inches of pipe for the faucet kill you? sadly those exist even here. < 1609108750 521821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen *that* many separate faucets here, to be honest. < 1609108771 548800 :delta23!~deltaepsi@d179-68-39-184.evv.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1609108785 533262 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they make a little bit of sense in public installations because they're harder to vandalize, but even that doesn't work out that way in practice < 1609108820 57884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wondered if they do that in public toilets to discourage people from filling water bottles from those taps. < 1609108830 659308 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how do you vandalize a higher faucet more easily than a lower one? < 1609108953 758592 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes. I still fill water bottles. if necessary, I use a 0.5 liter bottle a intermediate storage to fill 2 liter (or 1.5 liter) bottles, I took a 0.5 liter bottle in addition to the large ones for long bus trips for skiing for just that reason; plus I bend the plastic battles, and force the faucet to rotate (it's usually not attached to the sink strongly enoguh) so there's more space under it < 1609108957 359450 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-piyeseudbyefydfs QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1609108959 764011 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :diagonally < 1609108986 307454 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but those faucets also suck for washing face or eyes, and for drinking directly (without a bottle or glass) < 1609108998 865360 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more extreme ones even make washing your hands harder < 1609109027 450805 :ocharles!sid30093@musicbrainz/user/ocharles QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1609109037 174237 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes those low faucets are installed in universities or hospitals or homes, where there's no reason not to want people to fill water bottles < 1609109104 355389 :ocharles!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kgjzhrkziqnooytj JOIN :#esoteric < 1609109106 665820 :glowcoil!sid3405@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-phxgsvkkktdtequi JOIN :#esoteric < 1609109122 76494 :ocharles!sid30093@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kgjzhrkziqnooytj NICK :Guest26328 < 1609109134 177375 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have one place at uni with automatic water dispensers that stop after about half a liter < 1609109297 728348 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, the malls are even worse. I most passionately hate Allé (the carbon monoxide mall), which has these photosensor taps that, if you let the water flow for about a minute, it shuts the tap off for five minutes, so you have to know to interrupt the flow in between to be able to wash your hands. that in addition to the very low water pressure in the taps, too low to allow washing the soap off, that < 1609109303 738689 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these ones have too, just like the bathrooms in most other malls. < 1609109320 768371 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now they compound this with fucking signs saying how they're working to stop covid and that you should care about hygenie < 1609109334 681163 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still don't change the bathrooms < 1609109353 874711 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so i can ddos all taps? < 1609109464 756618 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: yes < 1609109469 838504 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only for five or ten minutes < 1609109477 803434 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :after you leave they'll turn back on < 1609109498 510179 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough to annoy a whole bunch of people < 1609109498 802651 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also ddos all taps by leaving nasty disgusting stuff there by the way, or just stealing them, as it happens in some public places here < 1609109509 897493 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1609109560 310998 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also half of these malls don't have storage lockers or cloakrooms, the other half supposedly have them but make them hardly usable in practice < 1609109593 604668 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is the story here about a branch of the BND (the german intelligence agency) being super secret and all and some night somebody stole all the faucets in the whole thing < 1609109602 765781 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's disgusting, I mean the point of a mall would be to share infrastructure like toilets and lockers among shops to make them cheaper, but no, they just have a building and rent it out and do as little as they can get away with < 1609109608 217253 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get why anybody would do that < 1609109629 790901 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, clearly you can steal something more valuable than faucets, can't you? < 1609109655 644167 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: only the faucets? that's the half-assed version. some go all the way and steal the sink too. < 1609109683 362746 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's way harder to do and transport in larger quantities < 1609109721 494598 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: and no, you can't steal anything more valuable from those hospitals and clinics: they already don't put out soap or toilet paper because they know it would be stolen in an instant, so at most you could steal the benches or seats, but only the heavy ones, the rest are bolted down < 1609109745 688189 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! myname is < 1609109748 874896 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-225.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's more valuable stuff obviously, but in places where it takes more effort or risk to steal < 1609109897 612106 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, "the BND (the german intelligence agency)" -- considering how Germany loved to bullshit the world about Navalny, saying "he was poisoned" and on the proposition "give us any proof" responding "meh, just believe, Putin is evil, gogo NATO" < 1609109922 610650 :MDude!~MDude@71.50.47.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1609109951 759060 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't there is any intelligence there < 1609109956 445225 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*won't say < 1609110013 622717 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1609110335 428205 :xelxebar_!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1609110357 732658 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1609110437 655387 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have neither any idea nor interest about it < 1609112608 63691 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@188.163.100.177 JOIN :#esoteric