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08:59:43 <esowiki> [[Combinatory logic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79831&oldid=78445 * Quintopia * (+10) missing last step
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09:43:06 <oren> ‖ and ǁ mean different things in the International Phonetic Alphabet
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09:50:01 <b_jonas> oren: yes, but there were saner older symbols based on letters (like c and t with funny tails) that you can use instead of the silly modern click symbols (that look like ! | || ¡ or something silly like that)
09:51:19 <shachaf> י and ו and ן mean different things in Hebrew.
09:51:22 <shachaf> It seems fine.
09:52:15 <b_jonas> shachaf: and i j l ' mean different things in various latin script languages
09:52:40 <shachaf> And also ı and I
09:52:48 <shachaf> The whole I/l thing is actually a problem.
09:52:52 <shachaf> The rest are fine.
09:53:58 <b_jonas> it wouldn't be if people didn't insist on using bad fonts
09:54:05 <b_jonas> it's not a problem for the fonts that I use
09:54:44 <b_jonas> admittedly my handwriting has all sorts of confusable letters or sequences of letters if I'm not careful, but even then it's never I vs l
09:54:48 <shachaf> Sometimes you can't pick your fonts.
09:56:07 <b_jonas> sometimes I can't. usually I can. I set my browser to use only my fonts rather than what the website asks for. sure, it won't help in images containing text.
09:57:08 <b_jonas> admittedly I don't go as far as forcing the urlbar and tab titles to use a better font
09:57:50 <shachaf> Anyway if font designers are tempted to make them similar, that's bad enough.
09:57:51 <b_jonas> but note that the urlbar at least lowercases the domain name part of urls for exactly this problem
09:58:12 <b_jonas> shachaf: font designers do a lot of other stupid things
09:58:17 <zzo38> b_jonas: I do the same, although I want to allow SVG and PDF to specify fonts, but to disallow HTML to specify fonts (only allowing specifying language and fixed/variable pitch), but I don't know how to make it to do that.
09:58:20 <shachaf> Should I switch from AT&T syntax to Intel syntax for x86 assembly.
09:59:03 <b_jonas> like add fi ligatures because it makes their font look more prestigious, I hate that
09:59:19 <zzo38> I managed to get it to use the Fixed font for the URL, and for the status bar, and tab titles, but it doesn't do that elsewhere.
10:00:22 <zzo38> 2600 uses ligatures even in fix pitch text, and it shouldn't do that. I wrote to them to complain, but they haven't fixed it yet, even though they admitted that they shouldn't use ligatures in fix pitch text. I think they are using misconfigured software, probably.
10:00:49 <shachaf> So what's the deal with typefaces being uncopyrightable in the US?
10:01:39 <shachaf> Can you take some fancy expensive font and extract a usable non-copyrightable version of it and give it away?
10:03:39 <zzo38> http://pineight.com/mw/index.php?title=User:Tepples/font_laundering
10:06:12 <shachaf> Aha.
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12:05:30 <esowiki> [[User:Quintopia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79833&oldid=79754 * Quintopia * (+15) /* Interpreters written in Python */
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16:14:07 <esowiki> [[User:Tetrapyronia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79836&oldid=79744 * Tetrapyronia * (+26) 
16:14:55 <esowiki> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79837&oldid=79743 * Tetrapyronia * (+117) Added Triski
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16:43:06 <esowiki> [[MarioLANG]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79839&oldid=58554 * Bo Tie * (+191) Added an example (Fibonacci sequence).
16:44:01 <esowiki> [[Keg]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79840&oldid=75811 * Pipythonmc * (+20) Fix formatting (some lines not breaking properly)
16:50:15 <esowiki> [[Keg]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79841&oldid=79840 * Pipythonmc * (+0) Fix a small typo
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18:06:58 <int-e> fizzie: Argh, I just realized that MODI and DIVI are inconsistent when negative numbers are involved :-/
18:07:12 <int-e> Avoidable, but what a nuisance...
18:07:51 <fizzie> What, there's a MODI instruction?!
18:08:35 <int-e> yes.
18:08:43 <fizzie> ...I was so sure I checked for that...
18:09:27 <int-e> It's even documented.
18:10:14 <int-e> (Though maybe not the way you'd expect. The "ADDI" documentation lists the other arithmetic operations as a note.)
18:10:42 <fizzie> Yeah, I know that note.
18:10:54 <fizzie> I don't know how I managed to miss MODI there.
18:11:26 <fizzie> I've got at least one COPY X, T; DIVI X, 2, X; SUBI T, X, T; SUBI T, X, T sequence just to get a LSB.
18:12:05 <fizzie> (Well, I do need the X/2 as well. But still.)
18:12:38 <int-e> anyway, MODI produces nonnegative numbers, DIVI truncates towards zero.
18:13:04 <b_jonas> um, what's this?
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18:13:10 <int-e> EXAPUNKS
18:13:52 <b_jonas> wtf are you guys playing a new puzzle game every day?
18:13:59 <b_jonas> #esoteric is odd
18:14:34 <kmc> lol
18:14:36 <myname> what's wrong with that
18:14:37 <fizzie> I didn't play that other game.
18:15:04 <fizzie> (And I think I'm pretty much done with EXAPUNKS, unless I get the urge to go back and tweak.)
18:15:33 <int-e> myname: it violates a = (a/b)*b + (a%b)
18:16:00 <fizzie> Oh well. At least my most common use for MODI probably would've been to do MODI X, 10, T, and it's not like SWIZ X, 1, T is any longer.
18:16:17 <int-e> right.
18:16:37 <myname> i mean, what's wrong with new good games every day
18:17:52 <int-e> Oh. Sorry, yeah I don't know what's wrong with that either.
18:18:16 <int-e> fungot: what's wrong with us?
18:18:16 <fungot> int-e: that's tablespoons though, there's nothing quite like going into the shitter. do symbols need to be
18:18:25 <fizzie> fungot: Don't be crass.
18:18:25 <fungot> fizzie: update at 11
18:18:27 <int-e> ^style
18:18:27 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
18:18:48 * int-e wonders where it learned the last word :)
18:19:10 <int-e> (of the first sentence)
18:19:11 <myname> wait, fungot has a style for fungot?
18:19:11 <fungot> myname: nonlinear fnord. see, that's my master's subject... i'm writing a scheme to c part
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18:19:37 <fizzie> fungot: What sort of weird ass-university did you find to accept a master's thesis on yourself? 
18:19:37 <fungot> fizzie: my turn!!! eheheheheeheheheh the fnord. so many of those lists would you fnord.
18:19:58 <myname> does it like read its own logs?
18:20:10 <fizzie> It's not automated or anything fancy like that.
18:20:22 <fizzie> I just took all it had said here over some period of time, and fed that as input.
18:20:54 <int-e> meta
18:21:11 <fizzie> Theoretically you could directly interpolate the models to get (asymptotically) the same result, like `words does.
18:21:14 <fizzie> ^style fungot
18:21:14 <fungot> Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself)
18:21:20 <fizzie> fungot: What *have* you said? 
18:21:21 <fungot> fizzie: is. absorb it on my door, which was just perceptibly fnord and this yields nothing itself; it keeps being removed, the queen. i see no sense
18:21:34 <fizzie> At least the last sentence is fitting.
18:21:48 <int-e> very introspective
18:21:48 <kmc> I'm getting a FPGA board soon. I might do some eso- and/or retro-computing with it
18:22:16 <myname> will messages fungot writes with fungot style be part of future fungot style input to make it even more fungot?
18:22:16 <fungot> myname: " and this is a new game. there is no
18:22:28 <b_jonas> myname: no
18:22:39 <fizzie> Only if I go back and re-train that style.
18:23:30 <fizzie> Though I guess in theory it should just be a no-op. It would affect the interpolation weights a little though.
18:23:57 <kmc> I wonder which esolangs would be fun/good to implement in HDL.
18:24:15 <kmc> I actually wrote a Verilog (or was it VHDL?) Brainfuck forever ago, just as a hello world to learn the language
18:24:19 <kmc> but I never ran it on real hardware
18:25:27 <fizzie> I looked a little bit at creating a Befunge coprocessor for MIPS, as part of an optional extra of a CPU design course exercise thing ("add a coprocessor"), but never got around to even doing the main thing.
18:25:54 <fizzie> It would've had a 256x256-byte playfield though.
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18:26:47 <kmc> neat
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18:38:21 <kmc> sometimes I think I should play Shenzhen I/O but then I decide I should play KiCad instead
18:39:09 <kmc> I actually have not had many PCBs made but I really enjoy designing them anyway
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18:42:34 <kmc> PCB layout is a fun puzzle game
18:42:48 <kmc> especially if you put an unreasonable amount of effort towards making everything look nice and minimizing the number of vias
18:43:12 <esowiki> [[Triski]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79845&oldid=79843 * Tetrapyronia * (-6) Fixed Truth-machine
18:43:53 <fizzie> I should play OpenSCAD again some day. It was a lot of fun to do a practical shape with it, though not particularly puzzle-like.
18:44:18 <kmc> yeah!
18:44:24 <kmc> I'm getting a 3D printer next month
18:44:28 <kmc> so I'll probably be trying that out
18:44:53 <fizzie> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:387442 is the thing I made. (It's the only thing I've made.)
18:45:03 <fizzie> Not particularly useful if you don't have a N900 though.
18:46:05 <esowiki> [[Boner++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79846&oldid=79829 * Thief * (+148) Add 8 new keywords
18:46:41 <kmc> it would probably work for other phones?
18:47:03 <kmc> at least with some tweaking
18:47:08 <fizzie> Presuambly, by adjusting the dimensions.
18:47:38 <fizzie> It's all parametric, because of course that's the point with OpenSCAD.
18:49:42 <esowiki> [[Boner++]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79847&oldid=79846 * Thief * (+705) Add "Variables" section
18:50:24 <fizzie> I imagine if you just set the phone_{width,depth,height_tall,height_short} variables, and the front_drop_pos, you could make it work on any suitably cuboid phone. But it may not really be the optimal design.
18:50:40 <kmc> mhm
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19:34:01 <esowiki> [[Triski]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79855&oldid=79845 * Tetrapyronia * (+234) 
20:00:10 <rain1> tony hawk on agdq next, should be cool
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21:03:50 <esowiki> [[Triski]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79857&oldid=79855 * Tetrapyronia * (+107) 
21:13:47 <esowiki> [[Talk:Turing Machine But Way Worse]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79858 * Tetrapyronia * (+213) Created page with "Where does the robot start on the tape? Ex. Input = '1', Tape = <code><infinte 0s> 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 <infinite 0s><\code> Would the robot start at the first block? (the first 0..."
21:13:57 <esowiki> [[Talk:Turing Machine But Way Worse]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79859&oldid=79858 * Tetrapyronia * (+0) 
21:14:39 <esowiki> [[Talk:Turing Machine But Way Worse]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79860&oldid=79859 * Tetrapyronia * (+116) 
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