< 1620777613 437435 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the shader code is included in the html[1~[3~[3~[3~[3~ < 1620777633 266901 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice job, irssi < 1620777653 480311 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for company as always. I should be active in the channel in earlier hours < 1620777653 695721 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you write originally? < 1620777778 494309 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also do you maybe know any tutorial how to stop being afraid of modern JS and write neat little browser things like a sound generator which uses FFT. Oh. FFT on JS. I better un-ask that entire thing back < 1620777786 996633 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I wrote the text, but then I wanted to edit something... the [1~... stuff is all VT100 keyboard codes minus the escapes < 1620777860 104402 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was lagging (yes, in 2021) and pressed 'return' and irssi somehow stops interpreting keys when it sees a return in the same packet, or something like that) < 1620777920 388337 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. Anyway have a good time of morning! < 1620777922 484925 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, I can't really help with modern JS... I've not progressed beyond fairly simple self-contained code. < 1620777941 959965 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anything that would involve libraries... I don't know anything about. < 1620777952 237942 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m just afraid of JS because it’s inherently badly designed :( < 1620777968 269929 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I think it's not so terrible < 1620777981 280288 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope < 1620778001 927944 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DOM gives me nightmares, JS is just a relatively straightforward prototype based language... note that's a few versions back < 1620778080 416926 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recently they've changed to something that is closer to classes and are adding modern stuff like closures. And then they're transpiling it to something browsers can actually run, or so. And while you're doing that, why not add types? So you get stuff like TypeScript. < 1620778088 246968 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of which I know exists but haven't touched. < 1620778120 80821 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a class block now, although I still think the prototype-based inheritance is better, in my opinion. < 1620778215 318065 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Regardless, I'd disagree that it was badly designed :P You just have to realize that it's a distinct programming paradigm from the usual class-based OO. And yes, it's mostly untyped and fairly dynamic so you can get yourself into a terrible mess very easily. < 1620778271 544005 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620781269 990642 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620781533 62867 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620782651 988765 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm < 1620783188 850684 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jebgsafpndujiwtn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1620783450 846053 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now wonder how did I know about that Minsky CVE report before it got to this channel < 1620783639 170932 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :HN featured it. < 1620783690 597973 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/ < 1620784516 888562 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620784811 817674 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1620785186 692295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620785431 702130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric > 1620789921 917821 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:ColorfulGalaxy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82867&oldid=82663 5* 03New Army 5* (+159) 10 > 1620789955 244294 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:ColorfulGalaxy/Google mirror14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82868 5* 03New Army 5* (+24) 10Created page with "Where is the google logo" > 1620790851 585337 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy/Google mirror14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82869&oldid=82858 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (-42) 10 < 1620790987 957911 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620791150 66367 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620797052 977007 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins < 1620797057 131266 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13fraymumocoin 04nietcoin 07thracoin 08castepcoin 09anotcoin 02hackcoin 06evicecoin 13boolfscocoin 04gibucoin 07bullcoin 08thaifcoin 09blangtoncoin 02sumacoin 06ttyrnetcoin 13flagecoin 04vamusslcoin 07bucrccoin 08novcoin 09verthicoin 02scequarencoin < 1620798064 653212 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1620801485 596038 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620801772 550175 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620802118 554300 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620802665 115419 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620802937 888700 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620804115 581213 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620804261 343864 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620806841 749529 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1620806959 341775 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1620807021 751100 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620807052 537783 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620807074 748085 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1620808714 601593 :LKoen!~LKoen@5.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620810081 878124 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1620814831 507480 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm < 1620816631 458185 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620816666 830678 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620819038 594113 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620819328 556535 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620821253 647098 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1620821684 639023 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1620822007 534996 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm it seems both firefox and chrome don’t want to load a local moebius.png < 1620822033 238176 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1620822033 434949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1620822123 239771 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1620822384 654835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :file:/// can definitely be like that when it comes to loading resources. < 1620822392 78388 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But right... I remember vaguely that I set up a local webserver. < 1620822405 178464 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because battling the client became too hard. It's been a while :P < 1620822424 147371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I tend to go with `python3 -m http.server 8000` for playing around with HTML locally. < 1620822446 512500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It defaults to just serving the current directory.) < 1620822473 543405 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have apache2 *and* lighttpd running, isn't that fun :) < 1620822525 21832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have an nginx instance running as well, but it would require either configuring or remembering where its document root is, the Python thing is easier for one-offs. I've got the command aliased as `serve_http`. < 1620822561 242799 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"remember where the document root is" <-- ~/public_html is good enough ;) < 1620822585 629277 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but eh, we're firmly in personal quirks territory. < 1620822599 584697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old public_html. < 1620822664 645690 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see an error in the console: WebGL warning: tex(Sub)Image[23]D: Cross-origin elements require CORS. < 1620822664 862757 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so possibly it’s fixable?.. < 1620822688 536629 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also thought that on file:// < 1620822706 691433 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: if you figure out how to provide a HTTP header with file://... < 1620822713 373825 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1620822733 501581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably you can't, anyway. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/CORS/Errors/CORSRequestNotHttp < 1620822751 443052 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah. I tend to go with `python3 -m http.server 8000` for playing around with HTML locally. => oh, that should come in handy! < 1620822754 195182 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, disabling cors seems to have no effect, so I suspect there's another hurdle down the road. < 1620822805 461621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to be clear, `python3 -m http.server 8000` may not be the best idea if you have untrusted local users and/or no netfilter rules or such restricting incoming connections. :) < 1620822807 81052 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, s/have[4~not help/ no effect/ < 1620822811 732756 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl < 1620822823 8738 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, s/have no effect/not help/ < 1620822861 170479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should've had the second s/// to fix the first one, they get more amusing that way. < 1620822978 369225 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1620822980 840017 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a language has easy syntax for a sort of string literal that isn't an expression that gives a string, but is just printed to the debug console when it's executed, what do you call that? "debug literal"? "debug comment"? < 1620823010 170746 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program can't otherwise access it, eg. can't take its length or index into it < 1620823019 911198 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah... I remember why I have two webservers... lighttpd came first and was meant for things like webgl that load resources through javascript; the apache2 came in later because I needed to figure out some mod_proxy/mod_rewrite shenanigans < 1620823021 729020 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : they get more amusing that way. => I did that with asterisk version a while ago < 1620823036 678196 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a literal in that most characters are interpreted verbatim in it in the source code < 1620823054 577832 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in passed to the debug console < 1620823076 776767 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I’d went with debug literal, looks transparent < 1620823104 134897 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fortunately, the first s/// didn't match anything :P < 1620823123 879779 :LKoen_!~LKoen@5.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620823185 946581 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620823233 253441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, toggling the privacy.file_unique_origin setting in Firefox *does* work. (Setting name from fizzie's link.) < 1620823253 41041 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tetrcihgsohjyxmd JOIN :#esoteric < 1620823255 652080 :LKoen!~LKoen@5.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620823300 520866 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I won't make that permamnent.) < 1620823432 956254 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620823465 14982 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonable! < 1620823521 978010 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620823591 867816 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1620823608 341873 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1620824204 858022 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620824459 819741 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1620824810 145540 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheese14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82870&oldid=82863 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+12) 10/* Bug Reports */ > 1620824955 905445 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Cheese14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82871 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+243) 10Created page with "==Bug Reports== ===Know Bugs As of Version [Alpha 1.3]=== *If a character or string is assigned to an integer only variable, which all variables in Cheese Squared are right n..." > 1620824966 492034 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Cheese14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82872&oldid=82871 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+1) 10 > 1620825033 798761 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheese14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82873&oldid=82870 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+14) 10/* Bug Reports */ < 1620825359 948070 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1620825506 437584 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sanscicondos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82874&oldid=82822 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+378) 10Added Teaser Tab < 1620827182 616834 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620827993 838903 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620828784 863065 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yes, not only two ends of a line, but a lot more missing points outside them. the projective plane is much more important to understand the structure of the hyperbolic plane than to understand the Euclidean plane, because there are much more real points missing. < 1620828875 347266 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it helps if you have a whole euclidean/hyperbolic space so you can see a euclidian/hyperbolic plane in it projectively < 1620828992 70804 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: erm I wouldn’t say they miss any points, just that they go two separate directions each on each side, instead of one < 1620829183 748378 :LKoen_!~LKoen@5.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1620830681 646258 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620830836 314808 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, can you be comfortable with tricks of light? < 1620830837 85144 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, firstly, it will have a board. you are quite right to tick off the progress of the agreement are now fewer in number but better equipped administratively and extended by means of their own quality control systems and provides for possibilities of appropriate action in the short term? a few years there has been a long time thinking about where the roots of the evil. we are aware, on 9 april for a deferment < 1620830977 560212 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620832212 261922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a Hitchhiker's reference to the bit about Hactar? < 1620832292 780077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'I have nothing to offer you by way of hospitality,' said Hactar faintly, 'but tricks of the light. It is possible to be comfortable with tricks of the light, though, if that's all you have.'" < 1620832568 108643 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :what part is it from? Though I read only a translation, and binged, so it all clumped together and is quite almost all forgotten now < 1620832688 352349 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW about hyperbolic conspiracy: I know how to call hyp. translations: boosts! Once again physics solves the question. Now we can be sure that we mean them and not euclidean translations, in one simple word < 1620832748 874259 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620833024 757708 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1620833063 435527 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes < 1620833559 250066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Part 3. < 1620833583 69979 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1620833605 338713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the parts mostly because we had an IRC game on our channel that pasted a random (three-line?) quote from one of the books, and gave a point to the person who replied fastest with the number 1-5 denoting the correct book. < 1620833656 216217 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620833668 650300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although there's a few absolutely identical bits that were kind of a scow for that game. Specifically, the intro of at least books 1 and 4. < 1620833708 770305 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1620833948 908014 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this is from book 3 < 1620834012 856063 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620834085 743449 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you play that with Harry Potter too? there are a lot of quotes I had difficulty finding. < 1620834133 421762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, this was on #douglasadams over in IRCnet (a dead channel now), so it wouldn't have been on-topic. < 1620834179 807213 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't play that as a game, more like often people gave answers on https://scifi.stackexchange.com/ with Harry Potter quotes but no specific reference, and I tried to figure out where they came from so I can label them with the book and chapter number < 1620834219 822538 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and at one point I found out that there's one difference in the chapter division of LotR between the original and the Hungarian translation, so you have to be careful with chapter numbers there < 1620834285 383298 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: try this one someday: https://i.postimg.cc/qvv5SpVG/moebius-acid1.png IMO looks cool too, watching right now < 1620834663 583530 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620834984 287945 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I think one can embed a free group on n letters into an nD hyperbolic space isometry group O⁺(1, n). This is scary < 1620835005 927427 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that other group I mentioned was a factor of this one I think < 1620835042 788027 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you do that with affine maps? < 1620835048 244525 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: embed as just a group, which isn't surprising, or like embed a discrete group as a topological group, which is slightly more surprising but I think it's still true? < 1620835051 597581 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1620835057 579037 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isometries in the plane, really < 1620835076 579050 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: basically you can just have a tree of triply-ideal triangles < 1620835101 783710 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or triply ideal polygons of n-1 sides if you wish < 1620835114 81061 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hm what topology is on a free group? I thought discrete so then it wouldn’t add anything < 1620835128 134123 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: discrete, but it adds a constraint to the embedding < 1620835165 348079 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: otherwise it would be too easy to construct an embedding, even to the additive groups of reals, by choosing basis elements that are linearly independent over the rationals < 1620835257 977538 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make sense? < 1620835260 80937 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I mean if you pick n different centers and n angles of rotations randomly I'd expect to get a free group almost certainly. < 1620835263 74887 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : or triply ideal polygons of n-1 sides if you wish => yeah, the partition by corresponding planes and hypercycles looks like that < 1620835280 429746 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm < 1620835287 682464 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the triply ideal polygon tiling might only embed a free semigroup < 1620835304 890378 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how exactly to embed a free group on n symbols < 1620835319 880739 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I expect it's also possible < 1620835360 930207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1620835404 156039 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm required to nitpick my own statements too, not only other people's, rather than wait for the other nitpicking algebraists later in the day when the channel has more traffic) < 1620835428 619172 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: I mean if you pick n different centers and n angles of rotations randomly I'd expect to get a free group almost certainly. => oh, interesting. Then I think I came to the question b_jonas stated, about topology, surely we can endow the free group with some topology which wouldn’t be preserved when going to rotation-induced group. Hm or not < 1620835456 355417 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yes, the discrete topology < 1620835512 519525 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you want an embedding whose range doesn't have any accumulation point < 1620835524 744445 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: take n orthogonal lines, have each symbol to correspond to a translation along each of the lines, large enough to make all this work < 1620835531 607282 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I’m correct of course < 1620835535 875448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( technically i'm an analyst [sp?] not an algebraist. ) < 1620835576 304642 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: um, this is for the isometry group of what dimension of hyperbolic space? I assumed a 2-plane but maybe I didn't pay attention < 1620835588 256805 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-dimensional < 1620835590 80010 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"isometry group O⁺(1, n)" < 1620835598 479916 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1620835605 482988 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that makes it easier < 1620835609 277758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this about amenable group because there totally was a part about that in my PhD < 1620835613 344563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1620835624 773137 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I guess you can embed at least a free group on O(n) symbols into it < 1620835632 41461 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure about n-1 symbols < 1620835640 123333 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should be able to embed larger free groups on k symbols through their embedding in 2-symbol free group though? < 1620835669 29864 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t remember how does one do that, like a ↦ a, b ↦ ab, c ↦ abb?.. < 1620835684 126857 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: hmm, perhaps < 1620835703 715572 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there such a thing for free groups, not just for free semigroups? < 1620835706 977734 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was shocked when I learned you can do that and that these groups are still not isomorphic. I even have forgot what’s the matter < 1620835711 361466 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there probabl is < 1620835760 51640 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s very alien to me. Group theory is a conspiracy! < 1620835781 832489 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yes, that ab^k thing should work. < 1620835806 492979 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if that somehow miraculously fails, ab^ka will certainly do the trick. < 1620835837 448849 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... no! < 1620835840 578493 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW we may blame octonions for some or all of sporadic groups, but can we blame complex numbers for non-Möbius conformal transformations of a 2-plane, and if so, for what things could we blame quaternions? < 1620835858 612837 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, in that case you can probably also embed any free group of finitely many generators into isomorphisms of the hyperbolic 2-plane, based on a tiling with quadrangles with all vertices ideal < 1620835887 506627 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: at least I don’t remember seeing how to prove it works, if it is < 1620835889 857555 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one fails, duh. abba a^-1b^-1a^-1 abba = abbba. < 1620835915 455507 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hmm, needs work. < 1620835928 812901 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Infinite-order_square_tiling < 1620835954 680424 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ba b^-1 = baa a^-1b^-1 is a problem for ba^k < 1620836015 252430 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( the sequel of the game was named b a^-1 b a is you ) < 1620836070 786910 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next candidate: a^kba^k < 1620836100 728603 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620836117 685696 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that should do the trick. < 1620836155 416490 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope this doesn't get as difficult as embedding to Incident < 1620836295 95603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can embed 3 into 2, you can recurse, at least < 1620836302 373693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in case there's still trouble) < 1620836424 671146 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can just embed a free group on n symbols directly to hyperbolic isomorphism using a tiling with ideal 2*n sided polygons < 1620836617 108206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( and then you can prove banach-tarski in hyperbolic space ) < 1620836652 529243 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1620836740 466243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( that's more or less what "non-amenable group" means ) < 1620836923 495621 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you cannot provide HTTP headers with a file: URL then perhaps the problems that causes should be something to be fixed when making a new web browser program. < 1620837065 49059 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, whatever < 1620837171 649571 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620837313 93134 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, that's sort of like how you can fit two filled horocycles into a single horocycle, with a triply ideal triangle remaining, and all horocycles are isomorphic < 1620837324 974187 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trickier if you don't want any piece to remain < 1620837340 870443 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not by too much I think < 1620837464 809065 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how some digital washing machines or similar home appliances have a children's lock, where you have to hold a button, or two adjacent buttons, for a second to unlock the button pad, right? < 1620837490 444403 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1620837576 339185 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do these still work on small children? I sort of feel like the current generation of toddlers that grow up on smartphones will easily know that they have to long press the one or two buttons marked with the smiley in lock icon, so the locks won't work as a children's lock, only as a lock against accidental presses or cat typing. and you might not even be able to design a captcha that older adults can < 1620837582 327680 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :open without getting too frustrated but the toddlers can't < 1620837591 299770 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: some newer microwaves also have them < 1620837613 123785 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're needed because small children like to press buttons < 1620837615 981382 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I get the idea but I have no such appliance < 1620837643 49683 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they want to try all the buttons, so even if you give them a hundred other buttons, they will want to press the washing machine buttons too < 1620837692 94409 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old washing machine I have relies on (lack of) strength, the old-fashioned way < 1620837709 458852 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strength can help, sure < 1620837750 190154 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also locks that rely on requiring a special tool, namely the dummy plugs you insert into mains electric outlets so that children can't plug anything in < 1620837778 633899 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hardest problem is locking stoves of course < 1620837824 35063 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are both physical solutions for that that cover the control panel or just the control dials, and digital ones, but at least one has a digital lock that doesn't even work as a cat lock, and I know because I managed to accidentally turn on my brother's electric stove < 1620837870 439670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks b_jonas for whiskers
< 1620837938 36426 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't find them under all the facial hair < 1620837956 376849 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls a paper talking about whisker-compatible rules in higher-dimensional (2-dimensional, really) rewriting
< 1620838015 572994 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can fit two filled horocycles into a single horocycle, with a triply ideal triangle remaining => wait, how? There is just one ideal point there, how would two of them share it?.. < 1620838076 547596 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: oh yeah, it's not a triply ideal triangle that remains < 1620838083 232876 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a section bounded by three horocycles < 1620838092 491706 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : open without getting too frustrated but the toddlers can't => reminisces of raccoon/bear-proof trash containers < 1620838098 64440 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, there's just one ideal point in it, shared by all three horocycles < 1620838107 846970 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, does that not work? < 1620838110 863860 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work < 1620838112 470569 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1620838113 579183 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1620838122 735532 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the construction is, sorry, that one is stupid < 1620838136 43309 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think that these functions to lock the controls on microwaves and other stuff is mainly useful to avoid accidentally activating them, since anyone who wants to activate it will find a way whether they want to or not, know or not how to do. < 1620838154 8156 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: ah yes. those might have the same problem. < 1620838181 435966 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some TV cable box will have the option to set up a password required for purchasing, which I had did to avoid accidentally purchasing anything, not because there is someone that we need to prevent from deliberately doing so. < 1620838266 544079 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, that's also a kind of parental lock, though I feel like that can also lead to the sitcom stereotype situation where the parent can't use the television, parental lock or not, whereas the toddler can use it and can factory reset it to reset the password < 1620838280 639169 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1620838312 525427 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grandma recently bought one of these modern TVs, and of course it's a smart TV with internet capability and everything, with a "netflix" button on the remote < 1620838356 342285 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I helped her set it up as a television but categorically refused to teach her how to use the internet part, just like I categorically refused to teach her the android phone that my family bought to her < 1620838392 882870 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought a proper grandmaphone, which she can use well, but it doesn't ring loud enough, and grandma sometimes can't hear it, whereas the smartphone does ring loud enough < 1620838447 216509 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to leave her in a situation where she doesn't have a working phone, but I also don't want to be technical support and teaching how the internet works and how not to do stupid things on the internet, < 1620838495 426106 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have to put my foot down somewhere, and a nice line is to say that I can tell her a few things about her windows computer, but I don't use a touchscreen phone or a smartphone and I don't think it's appropriate for her and so I refuse to help with that < 1620838714 976513 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do'nt like those smart TV either. In this case what I have is a cable box, and I don't really like it much, but that is what is required (although I am not the only one to use it; actually I don't use it much all myself as I don't watch television much) < 1620838817 857111 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : but I also don't want to be technical support and teaching how the internet works and how not to do stupid things on the internet => very relatable. My grandma has an android phone too, and she wants to be able to photo things and as she unfortunately lacks a suitable technical base model, you only can provide her step-by-step instructions and hope she won’t press something accidentally and get lost in the situation, though b < 1620838818 61351 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :less the home button, I said her it will quit her from anything, but no one wants to write anything down and I’m afraid she’ll forget the instructions due to lack of frequent practice and underlying models how it operates < 1620838819 434370 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620838843 939853 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620838861 48616 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: the problem is that the home button doesn't quit from everything. it quits from the application, but then you reenter the application and it's still in the same state. < 1620838934 888761 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: my mother actually got stuck in a loop of this when trying to teach my grandmother, with a state in the dialer she didn't realize how to quit. even my mother sometimes can't figure out how to use a smartphone, and she's much more flexible about learning new things, whereas my grandmother's hands are ill and so she also has difficulty operating a touchscreen, plus her vision isn't too good < 1620838940 864202 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :either < 1620838950 38788 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(she had a grandmaphone once, but then someone decided she needs more, and she agreed about wanting to photo things, and well…) < 1620838950 211903 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fair point, so then others telling her to backtrack several times gave her a better advice < 1620838990 923804 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad that she can use a grandmaphone, i.e. a non-smartphone with large display and large buttons. mostly. she can't figure out how to delete SMSes when the memory fills up, and doesn't bother with typing lower case letters, but I can deal with that < 1620839037 197866 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is actually great < 1620839055 836625 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :though won’t old SMS get deleted automatically usually? < 1620839070 663518 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: they don't. < 1620839078 844327 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1620839098 826388 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all the progress we had made :( :D < 1620839136 508055 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they could make that a togglable setting, if they’re afraid people would sue them for unconditional deletion of old data < 1620839657 357847 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :age is a lousy criterion for importance < 1620839785 854700 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: it's a grandmaphone. it doesn't have lots of extra togglable settings. it doesn't even have an option to back up the phonebook to the inserted SD card, so I just put all the numbers to the SIM card so I could back them up by putting the SIM card to my spare phone < 1620839793 676567 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm saying that because I've kept some of the earliest SMSs on my mobile phone; they have some account details related to the current contract. < 1620839850 576520 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a reason why the most common solution to running out of space is to add more storage ;) < 1620839915 511572 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : age is a lousy criterion for importance => true, so that the setting should be “don’t delete” by default, and also there should be a way to mark messages as important, so they won’t get deleted even when this is on < 1620840084 760448 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact plotting importance over age might result in a funny xkcd (in the usual style, with bumps explained as text) < 1620840094 829365 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :my cat is silly :( she rolls all her toys out of reach and then demands something unknown < 1620840127 644082 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: someone should write Randall :D < 1620840217 601941 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly lows as well "that time all messages were inquiries 'about your offer on Craigslist' because someone got their phone number wrong" < 1620842439 997178 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall such SMSes, but I have got phone calls to wrong number often. this is what you get when the phone number space is so small that mobile phone providers reuse your number if it's inactive for a year and a bit. < 1620842490 640384 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish we at least had a longer number space in addition to the current short one, so you can get both a short and a long number that are currently synonyms, but the long one is never reused. in the age of smartphones, nobody will care if phone numbers have three extra digits. < 1620842618 59168 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, is the government agency that divides the phone number space among service providers allowed that, mobile phone service providers could even charge extra for "short numbers" that are current full numbers, just like they current charge extra for memorable numbers and actual short numbers (3 to 6 digits without area code, starting with 1 these days, there used to be ones that start with 0 or 9 but I < 1620842624 153683 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :think they no longer exist except possibly unofficially some old emergency service numbers) < 1620842652 720150 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is better for that to depend on the area code or other prefix, so that current telephone numbers have the same length and so that it can be determined by the prefix. < 1620842686 699102 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, it would have to be in a few new area codes < 1620842931 303415 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also a lot of mobile phone accounts that need to have a phone number but almost nobody needs to know them except at the start to set them up: the ones used for internet access only in mobile internet modems, in POS terminals, and alarm systems. these could easily get just a longer phone number < 1620842978 46355 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with banks using SMSes sent to me as part of a multi-factor authentication system, I would really like to have phone numbers that won't be reused < 1620842985 441392 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially not so soon < 1620843178 834261 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620847175 527960 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620847412 101339 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1620847428 868157 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620847512 704984 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN 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