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< 1621460415 986695 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that neither Freenode nor Libera it seems to do, is other channel types, and server-side public logs
< 1621460490 886881 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" so it's now looking rather about scandals than music I guess" => wait, was it (Eurovision) ever about music? must have been before my time.
< 1621460628 957363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't when it's been about music, but I feel it's been more about spectacle (and grumbling about unfair voting patterns) than scandals in the past.
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< 1621460656 861630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, I watch it now because it's become a habit.
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< 1621461330 851811 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so what "private data" on freenode are these scaremongers talking about? the one with the three active public logs? 
< 1621461400 787853 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mostly the email address that you probably didn't need yet when you registered 15 years ago
< 1621461422 355196 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? ambrus@math.bme.hu ? that's pretty public too
< 1621461428 647397 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it might be a plus-prefixed one
< 1621461433 807927 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect it'll be a death by a thousand needles thing.
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< 1621461458 972152 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we actually know if any of those supposed resignation letters are from freenode ops, or are they just random links people throw around?
< 1621461477 645933 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm suspicious of any new thing that people say will replace freenode, when it's a new thing every year
< 1621461485 36387 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it's matrix, sometimes discord, sometimes telegram
< 1621461492 915757 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*apparently* a previous IRC network that Andrew Lee got involved in started to snoop on private messages; I'm not clear on whether there was a causal link (it was suggested, but not stated)
< 1621461496 487752 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they stop and start saying the same thing for eight years, then I'll consider changing
< 1621461518 38441 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, who is one of the Freenode staff members who just resigned recently, can probably confirm
< 1621461533 805441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one thing that really gets me is that Freenode's old staff basically abandoned ship.
< 1621461562 403540 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if we want to leave, why would it be some new thing that someone sets up recently, rather than oftc which has been running strong and with a similar enough culture to freenode (except I think the two arguments to NICKSERV IDENTIFY are swapped so be careful with that, but maybe that's another network)?
< 1621461568 112822 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That tells me that the shit is hitting the fan and convinced me to at least be prepared to switch over at a moment's notice.
< 1621461586 287010 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, but do we actually have proof for that, like any freenode staff confirming that those letter are from them?
< 1621461592 706917 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1621461599 414463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The resignation letters on people's private domains are presumably at least believable.
< 1621461609 88370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you assume those were hijacked too.
< 1621461628 687882 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the staffer's private domains were
< 1621461635 440526 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though some of them seem to be away, let me check
< 1621461639 768565 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: someone was linking to one of them in a k-line message
< 1621461647 506835 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is hard to do if you aren't freenode staff
< 1621461655 293451 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :My memory is a bit fuzzy, but I know at least Fuchs moved his out of /privat, updated it to include more info, and has vouched for it
< 1621461686 441257 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've also had them verified as such from ariadne (a former freenode staffer, tho she had resigned _prior_ to all this), and i trust her as a source
< 1621461687 157500 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: thanks, that's better
< 1621461706 861474 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can  /who freenode/staff/*  to see which staff-cloaked users share a channel with you
< 1621461713 333053 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for a bridge, that might be a good idea
< 1621461778 730058 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes, I can see #freenode , it's suspiciously empty of staffers. I might wait a few more days to see what happens
< 1621461791 637571 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its topic is scary too
< 1621461793 787191 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: wow... that... is short compared to the same thing on libera
< 1621461821 481142 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm on #libera there and on #freenode here which should help to get a more or less complete list)
< 1621461830 966079 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye, that should be pretty complete
< 1621461941 983404 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, those kill messages are not quite inspiring me to trust those staffers to follow to their designated replacement
< 1621462017 438525 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I say if we want to leave here, we go to Oftc. they have seniority, I know their network for almost a decade
< 1621462040 999114 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not some fancy newly set up passionate replacement that may or may not live up to its hype
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< 1621462417 889570 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly is the connection between oftc and freenode? tomaw is involved in both...
< 1621462634 496296 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think they split over some difference in the prehistory, before I ever joined IRC
< 1621462652 272706 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was in the long past, now they seemed to be just peacefully coexisting
< 1621462673 514665 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they still hate each other and I just don't care about the politics
< 1621462680 182018 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the heck knows
< 1621462769 813376 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie or ais, I'm b_jonas on oftc too, if you want the registered channels with the obvious names, ask me
< 1621462788 135126 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what oftc is
< 1621462806 665146 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case it seems that most of the migration from Freenode is heading towards Libera. It does have the right people to live on, too, I think. The last thing I want atm is add *two* new irc servers to my client.
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< 1621462835 143456 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: it's an IRC network with policies similar to Freenode, presumably until you get deep into the lore where they have some irreconcilable differences about whether the liturgy language that they no longer use is greek or latin
< 1621462837 939191 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one for #esoteric, one for #haskell, and keep freenode for some random channels that probably won't care)
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< 1621462856 150997 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc server hostname is irc.oftc.net , homepage is https://www.oftc.net/
< 1621462885 998262 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, that's the loud hype right now, we won't know where the actual migration goes for months
< 1621462924 614487 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will join there too for now because I don't care about being joined to many irc servers at least for a while, then we'll see what sticks
< 1621462962 785440 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not convinced we should let the loudest scaremongering people decide what the replacement is
< 1621463027 748048 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though on the other hand, I guess I should let fizzie decide
< 1621463036 350475 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for the case of #esoteric
< 1621463135 940367 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, fizzie
< 1621463149 781390 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if I private message HackEso on freenode, does it reply on libera? 
< 1621463159 405807 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that, like, deliberate?
< 1621463178 310134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I probably screwed something up.
< 1621463189 725899 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, spooky action at a distance
< 1621463198 144373 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a way to authenticate the two to each other
< 1621463206 958599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're two entirely separate instances, but I guess neglected something about multibot's weird Unix domain socket communication thing.
< 1621463215 63193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably need to change a parameter somewhere.
< 1621463219 196052 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1621463243 118713 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1621463244 288828 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two entirely separate instances? you *forked* HackEso? or do you mean their underlying hackenv disk is still the same?
< 1621463250 268254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, same repository.
< 1621463256 167905 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hpPoH39u6o_L
< 1621463256 450388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just two separate instances of multibot.
< 1621463261 33361 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that's better
< 1621463268 897670 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it'll reply in #esoteric of course
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< 1621463283 895926 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we won't see it in ##esoteric
< 1621463374 906960 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we sort of have a bridge
< 1621463382 646107 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one direction
< 1621463389 889968 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a garbage chute
< 1621463399 707413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the Unix domain socket name of multibot is hardcoded to be /tmp/multibot., and obviously they've got the same nick.
< 1621463408 632797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just need to recompile with a patch.
< 1621463419 929498 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :chroot to the rescue ;)
< 1621463473 440121 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or renick it to HackEvo or HackEto or whatever
< 1621463490 968848 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEsO, maybe it's case sensitive
< 1621463547 978925 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders the look of "hACKeSO"

< 1621463595 7351 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We will stay on #Freenode
< 1621463614 217672 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we'll fork the channel, that's more confusing
< 1621463629 355474 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this official or is it what you think will happen
< 1621463632 192868 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1621463651 650016 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well what ever happens ill move there too
< 1621463661 460204 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just dont think we should grt into others drama
< 1621463664 577565 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest75150: well right now we have two instances of HackEsos, so it's sort of official
< 1621463679 697097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's honestly really just because I wanted to play around.
< 1621463681 15213 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more like one HackEso connected to two networks
< 1621463719 738815 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well ok, but you know we'll follow our bots and ops, right?
< 1621463722 801157 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso JOIN :#esoteric
< 1621463733 123298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping
< 1621463734 86901 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1621463745 20106 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so HackEso and fungot sort of determine where the real channle is
< 1621463745 129338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're distinct personalities now.
< 1621463745 485297 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, in response to the excellent speech by the president of the commission on his behalf. the importance of the euratom treaty is to be considered. regarding the structure and, especially, children for removing organs, is a great pity if the council, for i was the rapporteur and say that europe's agricultural objective should be.
< 1621463765 268166 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo LF0Z4vBEEp4_
< 1621463766 710769 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :LF0Z4vBEEp4_
< 1621463774 766206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fair enough, but I wouldn't want to enforce anything.
< 1621463790 940731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did start a thread (if two messages count as one) on the Wiki, FWIW: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_portal#Freenode_and_the_future
< 1621463792 920803 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, you can't *enforce* anything
< 1621463832 860631 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I'll reply there too
< 1621463845 207925 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think more IRC folks watch the IRC logs than the wiki
< 1621463886 37462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's plausible. But I think the official official status is whatever [[Esolang:Community portal]] says. :)
< 1621463927 792544 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00507da683e519d440.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1621463929 502439 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what will happen to the logs
< 1621463940 605256 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also we need some sort of decycling protocol for the bridges
< 1621464067 27472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we didn't already use colors in the logs, we could do a HomeStuck ~ATH reference and just merge the logs on the same page, with one network in 4RED and the other in 12BLUE.
< 1621464131 529028 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not reading Homestuck so I don't get that reference, but merged logs might make sense
< 1621464137 815225 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we just log either and there'll be a bridge
< 1621464219 855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a very good reference. We've got a page about it on the wiki, too: https://esolangs.org/wiki/~ATH
< 1621464236 191430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just had a red/blue universe bifurcation thing going on, as that last example program shows.
< 1621464286 200321 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :attention! hang up!
> 1621464317 656999 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Super Mario 6414]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83092 5* 03Icecream17 5* (+3754) 10Create sm64
< 1621464329 923005 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? modem
< 1621464331 783502 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :modem? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1621464333 608978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be more like +++ATH0.
> 1621464390 529224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Super Mario 6414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83093&oldid=83092 5* 03Icecream17 5* (+25) 10add languages category
< 1621464394 92811 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a time when that caused people to disconnect from IRC
< 1621464406 504683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_command_set#Hayes'_solution claims patens are the reason why some modems would hang up on that even when there's no pause after the +'s.
< 1621464426 282144 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, because of some stupid antivirus that decided that was an attack trying to hack your system and so disconnected you
< 1621464429 239516 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that
< 1621464437 6751 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :got freenode staff very angry when people started to abuse it
< 1621464461 637748 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I think it was *routers*, not antivirus
> 1621464468 754371 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83094&oldid=83050 5* 03Icecream17 5* (+21) 10/* S */ +Super Mario 64, also (realphabetize, space < P)
< 1621464469 818892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure +++ATH0 used to literally disconnect modems because of what it is.
< 1621464471 549552 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I though that was some DCC stuff? The +++ATH0 was poor modems not waiting for a delay after +++ and not distinguishing between incoming and outgoing data
< 1621464473 107645 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"smart" routers protecting you by breaking the TCP ting
< 1621464482 357352 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, I know, that's the original meaning
< 1621464487 798611 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "poor" I mean "poor quality"
< 1621464489 861184 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this happened much later, when nobody was using such modems anymore
< 1621464526 798407 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me
< 1621464565 795467 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The email address I have registered with Freenode is one which is no longer valid anyways, so if they sell it, it will be unusable. Even if I changed it to a valid one, the same would be true; I use a separate email address for each thing, so that if it receives spam, I disable it.
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< 1621464580 496509 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does firefox now ignore when a https page says that it has a CSS style sheet at a http address, because it knows better about security than the HTML that declares where its style sheet is?
< 1621464584 708359 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is that new?
< 1621464662 224018 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the modem commands, I would think that it would be better to have a separate stream for commands and data, although RS-232 doesn't have that, therefore Dual-RS-232 must be used instead.
> 1621464698 563438 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sm6414]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83095 5* 03Icecream17 5* (+28) 10create temporary redirect (if you need to name, you can change this)
< 1621464729 456987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Sounds that way. They have a page about "mixed content blocking", https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/mixed-content-blocking-firefox
< 1621464738 758188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't say since when they've been doing that.
> 1621464749 77731 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Super Mario 6414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83096&oldid=83093 5* 03Icecream17 5* (+29) 10add joke languages cat
< 1621464775 276854 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: re: "is this real", most if not all of the freenode staff straight up resigned, the letters are real, and the scare-mongering isn't really scare-mongering.
> 1621464810 720128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Super Mario 6414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83097&oldid=83096 5* 03Icecream17 5* (+19) 10Add category 2021
< 1621464833 491474 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: it so is. saying "unregister your accounts and change their password, because someone is going to steal your private information" is scare-mongering, no matter how much they don't like whatever is happening to the network
< 1621464852 522575 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's saying that.
< 1621464886 29501 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a single statement on kline.sh on how to remove, if you wish, your nickserv association.
< 1621464911 105000 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have been legal threats to the freenode staff if they don't comply with handing the reigns over to lee.
< 1621464946 790790 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I would expect the password to be hashed, meaning they cannot steal it unless you log in again after they change the software
< 1621464958 174307 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have assumed control as of today.
< 1621464979 53722 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: They'll see it when you identify with services
< 1621464993 331426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so /potentially/ they can log it right there and then
< 1621465003 338304 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I'll quote that message: “If you care about your data, drop your NickServ account NOW before that happens.”
< 1621465014 198653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is how ultimately, this is a question of trust
< 1621465016 809942 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: putting it mildly, if you look at the statements put forth by the staff, along with chat logs, and look at the history, this is legitimate. I don't know why you think the opposite other than to be a contrarian.
< 1621465030 338746 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a fact that the new controllers of freenode have possession of that data, and could _in principle_ abuse it
< 1621465043 955931 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is unclear if they will, but they are unambiguously able to
< 1621465054 685769 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, I'd agree that qualifies as fear-mongering. but it's also a personal opinion by *one* of the former Freenode staff.
< 1621465074 735588 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is maybe a bit inflammatory, but, if you don't have trust for the new controllers of freenode?
< 1621465090 302604 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering the purchase of the holding company tied to freenode happened in 2018 (2017? time means nothing these days) there were fears that PIA would do something shady.
< 1621465106 95020 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're trying to assert authority over the entire network via threatening to bankrupt the existing staff.
< 1621465117 690481 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bragging about taking over freenode on other networks.
< 1621465128 987957 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I mean..
< 1621465134 542941 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust like that.
< 1621465152 761787 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter _what_ way you spin it, this isn't a good thing.
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< 1621465324 618669 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, it is what I said; once you log in then they can steal it, if they have changed the software to steal this information.
> 1621465326 839144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83098&oldid=83070 5* 03B jonas 5* (+341) 10/* Freenode and the future */
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< 1621466243 37329 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean... as long as you don't use the *same* password with nickserv as with anything else
< 1621466762 861855 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1621467221 744578 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some people will
< 1621467239 727787 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that that's a good idea
< 1621467274 789301 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the same password with every nickserv
< 1621468039 23988 :watchingfreenode!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid NICK :ripfreenode
< 1621468077 440671 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know what they intend to do with Freenode once they take it over; but, it is potentially of some concern.
< 1621468547 932893 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't trust the new owners of freenode
< 1621468554 920549 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i also don't trust facebook or google and i still use their platforms too
< 1621468555 29819 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1621468577 133190 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether or not you will trust someone, depend, what you will trust them with; it can be different.
< 1621468677 351057 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbqh i suspect freenode isn't long for this world regardless
< 1621468681 909096 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes use Google Search, as well as V8, but none of their other services. I don't use Facebook at all.
< 1621468707 977243 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode's lost all the people that ran it
< 1621468718 857948 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hard to come back from