> 1622160164 556711 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can also seed it with any fixed set of colors before generating new random ones > 1622160176 257101 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like you might decide to do all the primary and secondary colors first > 1622160183 862763 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and then generate random ones (which will tend to be less saturated) > 1622160191 658973 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but so far I think I like the aesthetics of all-random the most < 1622160312 332009 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1622160340 128243 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1622160562 803425 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Flkl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83527&oldid=83524 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-30) 10/* Flkl programming language */ Remove needless BR tags > 1622160582 859067 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03S1(210) 5* 10New user account > 1622160633 485085 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it would be neat to pair a camera with a bunch of narrow-spectrum light sources that illuminate in quick succession > 1622160666 998584 PRIVMSG #esoteric : then you could take a composite multispectral photograph of an object and see what it would look like in different forms of lighting < 1622160750 641033 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1622160756 663126 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think usually those systems use a bunch of band-pass filters instead? > 1622160769 774199 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not sure where I've gotten that impression from though. > 1622160835 911726 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess it doesn't really make a difference whether you slap that filter in front of the light source or the sensor, if you're doing it with filters. > 1622160957 196265 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapshot_hyperspectral_imaging I'm going to be stuck clicking on links forever, right? < 1622161003 647725 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1622161049 773214 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1622161105 928576 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "don't attribute to malice what is adequately explained by stupidity" is a bad rule. Because it is standard practice for malicious people to disguise their malice as stupidity; it's a fairly strong/easy/inexpensive layer of defense to add. Or as Blake put it, "Folly is the cloke of knavery". > 1622161247 6805 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83528&oldid=83526 5* 03S1(210) 5* (+362) 10/* Introductions */ < 1622161326 769689 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1622161329 378079 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `logs > 1622161331 298362 PRIVMSG #esoteric : logs? No such file or directory > 1622161333 898103 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? logs > 1622161335 349575 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​#esoteric channel logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ https://github.com/KrzysztofSzewczyk/esologs/ > 1622161350 742270 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, that's not up to date. > 1622161387 619892 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mostly just want to see how many of those log the new channel > 1622161411 251312 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though some of the logs update slowly > 1622161449 547439 PRIVMSG #esoteric : tunes seems to log the old channel > 1622161466 917577 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, codu.org stopped logging in 2016 and I think that GitHub repo also gave up earlier this year? > 1622161487 173398 PRIVMSG #esoteric : At least the last commit has the message "final update". > 1622161487 494205 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and... um, kspalaiologos's logs seems to have stopped at 2021-02-07. and I haven't seen kspalaiologos recently. > 1622161510 95992 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, that's deliberate? > 1622161577 779188 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot logs > 1622161578 383912 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: Mojo::Log for minimalism, Log4perl for maximum overkill, Log::Any for anything in between | Log::Dispatch, Log::Dispatchouli, Log::Contextual > 1622161582 109434 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I faintly remember something about GitHub changes making it less feasible. > 1622161595 606680 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But I might have imagined that. > 1622161598 459556 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot #esolangs logs > 1622161598 992605 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: Mojo::Log for minimalism, Log4perl for maximum overkill, Log::Any for anything in between | Log::Dispatch, Log::Dispatchouli, Log::Contextual > 1622161606 688734 PRIVMSG #esoteric : huh? > 1622161610 906855 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot fact #esolangs logs > 1622161611 172972 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: Mojo::Log for minimalism, Log4perl for maximum overkill, Log::Any for anything in between | Log::Dispatch, Log::Dispatchouli, Log::Contextual > 1622161614 701147 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what? > 1622161623 235586 PRIVMSG #esoteric : why does it ignore the first word? > 1622161653 167073 PRIVMSG #esoteric : # makes it a comment? :) (Probably not.) > 1622161662 566641 PRIVMSG #esoteric : dunno > 1622161691 788463 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop has done a lot of changes to that bot since I worked with it, including lots of new features > 1622161706 897451 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not really in the loop of any of the new developments > 1622161878 126286 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I should probably restart esolangs, I've been doing a lot of refactoring and while it's still been working locally, I don't have enough test coverage to be confident that I didn't break anything, so "releasing" now would mean less work to trace what exactly did break. > 1622161886 678569 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Plus the latest change adds an (internal) RPC interface that can be used to watch incoming messages and send out new ones, which I was hoping to use to do that CertFP registration. > 1622161942 751416 PRIVMSG #esoteric : If I will set up a IRC channel, can the log system that esolangs IRC is using, be used? (No guarantee that it will not later be moved to a different system, though, such as my own one) > 1622162020 65398 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mm, well, the bot supports multiple networks and channels better now than it used to, so I imagine it could. > 1622162115 615037 PRIVMSG #esoteric : If multiple instances are running and one becomes temporarily unavailable, is it possible to merge them once they become available again? > 1622162115 940696 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #go-nuts used to have the public channel logs over at https://freenode.logbot.info/ which decided to shut down, so now the channel is without logs. (Of course some people like it that way, which is fair enough.) > 1622162212 693577 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I haven't written any code specifically to do that. I think it can be a little tricky, because event ordering isn't exactly the same if the instances have connected to different (IRC) servers. Probably it can be done reasonably reliably though. > 1622162280 426780 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There is an IRCv3 specification to add a unique message ID tag, which would make that easier, but I don't think any network supports that (and nor does the bot). > 1622162354 531061 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I suppose there is also the consideration if the timestamps are missynchronized, although the time difference can easily be found by comparing the logs for the time that both instances were connected, in order to resynchronize the time stamps. > 1622162376 357837 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: you stumbled upon the syntax on how to ask for a specific channel's factoid namespace. since there isn't one for #esolangs it falls back to the default one, ##NULL > 1622162385 343130 PRIVMSG #esoteric : one second i'll setup a factoid namespace for here to demo > 1622162402 352551 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Although even then is the possibility that a message will be delayed for whatever reason) > 1622162466 330936 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: hi > 1622162476 318650 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's now got a seperate set of factoids just for you guys > 1622162479 221318 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: ##NULL hi > 1622162482 44998 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: hello > 1622162518 688794 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: hi is Welcome to #esolangs. The liberated church of esoteric programming proselytization, propagation, and pronunciation! > 1622162518 875650 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: Stored hi is Welcome to #esolangs. The liberated church of esoteric programming proselytization, propagation, and pronunciation! > 1622162540 42519 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://factoids.perl.bot/libera.chat/%23esolangs/list now shows all the factoids here > 1622162568 160417 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i can *also* tell it that you want your own namespace but to recurse down into the old default namespace so that you can override anything too < 1622162683 45596 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1622162788 257350 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in fact that's what i'm going to do now > 1622162816 335048 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: bye > 1622162816 554787 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [hi] > 1622162842 843337 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: bye > 1622162843 92125 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [hi] > 1622162845 25083 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hrm < 1622162968 47725 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1622163064 263032 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok i don't remember how to set that up offhand because i don't do it often hold on < 1622163554 548827 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1622163576 522755 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: hi > 1622163576 842830 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: Welcome to #esolangs. The liberated church of esoteric programming proselytization, propagation, and pronunciation! > 1622163580 767400 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: bye > 1622163581 56910 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [hi] > 1622163586 262879 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bah why are you not working > 1622163677 299564 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: alright now it's properly set up. you can set and override any factoids in here and it won't affect other channels. so you can in fact do: > 1622163690 434353 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: logs is #esolangs logs are available at https://logs.esolangs.org/ > 1622163690 613929 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: Stored logs is #esolangs logs are available at https://logs.esolangs.org/ > 1622163707 907988 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and it's now set for just here > 1622163772 563477 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but all the previous factoids that the bot has from #perl et al are still available and will fall back. this then also introduces the difference between the "forget" and "delete" commands for the bot. forget will make it not respond to a factoid, regardless of if the factoid exists in the fallback, delete will just get rid of the version of it here > 1622163788 265936 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: logs > 1622163788 432652 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: #esolangs logs are available at https://logs.esolangs.org/ > 1622163795 740679 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: #perl logs > 1622163796 58308 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: Mojo::Log for minimalism, Log4perl for maximum overkill, Log::Any for anything in between | Log::Dispatch, Log::Dispatchouli, Log::Contextual > 1622163805 685321 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: forget logs > 1622163805 861819 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: Forgot logs > 1622163807 826874 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: logs > 1622163808 83490 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [log] [loc] [.lc] [lc] [.lk] [lk] [.ls] [lex] [lhc] [lhs] > 1622163815 945150 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: delete logs > 1622163816 117739 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: Deleted logs from libera.chat:#esolangs > 1622163821 491363 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: logs > 1622163821 761457 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: Mojo::Log for minimalism, Log4perl for maximum overkill, Log::Any for anything in between | Log::Dispatch, Log::Dispatchouli, Log::Contextual > 1622163829 359895 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok enough explination and spam > 1622163833 513877 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: logs is #esolangs logs are available at https://logs.esolangs.org/ > 1622163833 514044 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: Stored logs is #esolangs logs are available at https://logs.esolangs.org/ < 1622163833 522247 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1622164002 730781 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can thank digitok from #regex for begging for that ability a few years ago > 1622164073 696399 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and then last year i improved it significantly to be able to do the recursion through multiple namespaces so that i could safely put the bot on discord and matrix without it affecting irc at all > 1622164202 856461 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but the point is now, you guys can have all your own factoids and not worry about breaking anyone else > 1622164222 640530 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's also possible to get the bot to respond to just a string like "!logs" > 1622164229 888410 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like an unaddressed command > 1622164254 207 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perl is the Perfect Emacs Rewriting Language > 1622164311 907779 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so, "forget" will make the bot not respond to something, and "delete" removes the change you've made in your namespace here, so you can go back to the fallback if you want. > 1622164347 22355 PRIVMSG #esoteric : LOWI 280050Z AUTO VRB01KT 9999 FEW060 SCT070 06/05 Q1023 > 1622164404 652191 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: was wanting to use it so i figured i'd give a proper explination of how to use it :) > 1622164428 266614 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and why he saw strange behavior > 1622164435 854931 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yea i suck at spelling < 1622164644 367414 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1622164984 846976 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Heh, since we were talking about QUIC the other day -- turns out the QUIC RFC just got published, and it got a nice round number: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc9000 > 1622164995 82943 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nice < 1622165929 29895 :esowiki!~esowiki@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/esowiki JOIN :#esoteric > 1622165953 791881 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: delete logs > 1622165954 88962 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: Deleted logs from libera.chat:#esolangs > 1622165960 134607 PRIVMSG #esoteric : awesome > 1622166011 170269 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'll add it to velik's cron < 1622166015 640264 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1622166040 208719 PRIVMSG #esoteric : now how to restore it?.. > 1622166078 506474 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: logs is #esolangs logs are available at https://logs.esolangs.org/ > 1622166078 884028 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: Stored logs is #esolangs logs are available at https://logs.esolangs.org/ > 1622166108 694732 PRIVMSG #esoteric : at first I thought it's really deleting logs > 1622166259 864461 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Undefined behavior (language)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83529 5* 03BadBoyHaloCat 5* (+105) 10Created page with "'''Undefined behavior''' is a language where everything is undefined. Literally. '''There is no spec.'''" < 1622166274 641694 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1622166429 977685 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83530&oldid=83502 5* 03BadBoyHaloCat 5* (+144) 10 > 1622166930 194973 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what the fuck is this shit. oi, needs more colors and underline > 1622167293 937594 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `relcome mnrmnaugh > 1622167295 749279 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​13mnrmnaugh: 04Welcome 07to 08the 09international 02hub 06for 13esoteric 04programming 07language 08design 09and 02deployment! 06For 13more 04information, 07check 08out 09our 02wiki: 06. 13(For 04the 07other 08kind 09of 02esoterica, 06try 13#esoteric 04on 07EFnet 08or 09DALnet.) > 1622168539 488975 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol i fucking love it > 1622168541 514862 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zzo38/Untitled 414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83531&oldid=72984 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1) 10 > 1622168568 658043 PRIVMSG #esoteric : orly. oi, i keep meaning to join dal < 1622169258 55852 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1622169542 45327 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1622169843 5430 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Undefined behavior (language)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83532&oldid=83529 5* 03BadBoyHaloCat 5* (+556) 10 > 1622170299 843463 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Flkl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83533&oldid=83527 5* 03Razetime 5* (+105) 10 > 1622170898 343777 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " I suppose there is also the consideration if the timestamps are missynchronized, although the time difference can easily be found by comparing the logs for the time that both instances were connected" => it's more complicated than that, because connections from different servers can see messages in different order too, because they originate in different servers in the server tree structure > 1622170987 924287 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: ah, so now learning factoids here defaults to the #esolangs namespace. thanks. > 1622171053 309110 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yep, so you can go nuts and change anything you want without worrying about affecting #perl or me > 1622171110 758860 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? logs > 1622171113 151195 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​#esoteric channel logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ https://github.com/KrzysztofSzewczyk/esologs/ > 1622171677 971399 PRIVMSG #esoteric : salpynx this reminded me your seeding thing https://esolangs.org/wiki/Polynomial > 1622171818 862098 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Undefined behavior (language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83534&oldid=83532 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+86) 10categories > 1622171975 867786 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm, since there is the "unusable for programming" category it's possible to see if languages become less or more usable in average over years > 1622172468 476336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SF Code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83535&oldid=83470 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+27) 10Recategorization) ("Toggle" prove its self-modifying > 1622172509 698583 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow, Spreadheet automatically made a range for me https://i.imgur.com/bVW4YH7.png > 1622172887 33271 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19o7VNgs1iKZdBvp9t6-oMlKj1H5vKHnK3GDz82QMLdg/edit?usp=sharing > 1622173445 608117 PRIVMSG #esoteric : isn't the "Output only" a subcategory for "Unusable for programming"? > 1622173590 806156 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Funciton14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83536&oldid=59482 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+188) 10Added formatting help link. Also "Hi, mom" may be considered offensive although it is a popular movie name < 1622173599 768036 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1622173661 768288 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hi, mom < 1622173891 771175 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1622173948 294580 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83537&oldid=83506 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+97) 10 > 1622173999 633612 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for a moment I didn't realise that this https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:ColorfulGalaxy_(disambiguation) is a user account, different from https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:ColorfulGalaxy > 1622174445 83277 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Wutlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83538&oldid=66121 5* 03Me4502 5* (+31) 10Update name < 1622174493 45512 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1622174786 62415 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1622175526 220267 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It depends on what programming < 1622177728 46976 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1622178016 70931 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1622180979 771130 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1622181276 771918 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1622182554 773170 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1622182816 769609 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1622184507 710378 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1622184766 658974 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1622185394 884143 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1622185590 482700 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83539&oldid=82856 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+154) 10 < 1622185661 895838 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1622185718 959913 PRIVMSG #esoteric : an interesting thing about my color picking algorithm is that you can substitute any distance metric > 1622185749 99806 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83540&oldid=83537 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+46) 10 > 1622185768 21740 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for example this version is picking colors that are supposedly distinguishable by someone with deuteranopia (red-green colorblindness) https://i.imgur.com/7Ntu3c1.png > 1622185786 892017 PRIVMSG #esoteric : based on code i cribbed from here https://github.com/joergdietrich/daltonize > 1622185828 241023 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the left column is the actual picked color, the right column supposedly shows to a person with normal color vision how it would look for someone with r-g colorblindness > 1622185858 293332 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perhaps if anyone here is colorblind they can tell me if the algorithm does a good job (not that i'm using it for anything, but i'm curious) > 1622185903 434125 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah it would have been clearer if you were around for the earlier convo between me and nakilon > 1622185969 68220 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the original goal is to pick n colors distinguishable from each other, and allow the user to increase n without redoing the earlier picks > 1622186021 752794 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i do this by, for each row, generating a bunch of random candidate colors, and picking the one that maximizes the minimum distance to any of the previous ones > 1622186037 978026 PRIVMSG #esoteric : where the distance metric is CIEDE2000 < 1622186122 244687 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1622186135 848722 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and so now i've modified it to use a distance metric that simulates deuteranopia < 1622189451 585779 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622191726 267337 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1622193202 846439 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1622195145 90061 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1622197728 189058 :LKoen!~LKoen@73.245.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1622200573 338033 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1622201125 133372 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wish I could provide you a distance formula that I usually use but I always restore it from scratch > 1622201245 781194 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also can't find it right now because I update OS after 650 days of uptime and it already took like 10 reboots and I'm not sure that it's not dead _<> < 1622201862 163903 :LKoen!~LKoen@73.245.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1622201941 142408 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I was today years old when I learned that deuteranopia meant r/g colour blindness, and wasn't just a play on words for an Aeon Flux episode title: Utopia or Deuteranopia, and that title is twice as clever as clever as I ever thought it was. > 1622201974 881459 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't believe that skipped my knowledge in general, or in the specific > 1622202002 918652 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ty! > 1622202084 824192 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? clever > 1622202086 74687 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Being clever is different from being wise, but they are indistinguishable in sufficiently large quantities. < 1622202602 624794 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1622202689 799716 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Salmmanfred14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83541 5* 03Salmmanfred 5* (+19) 10Created page with "Creator of [[Flkl]]" > 1622202914 657634 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83542&oldid=83473 5* 03Salmmanfred 5* (+11) 10/* F */ < 1622204813 94224 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT : < 1622204829 518721 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1622204913 635834 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Client Quit > 1622205107 75095 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can take the 360 Hue circle and split it evenly => btw better to use hue from CIEL*h*c* or how was it called, the one based on CIEL*a*b*. When that’s too many calculations, CIEL*u*v*-based hue should be still better than hue based on sRGB > 1622205273 770141 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (or was that L. not L*) > 1622205287 938542 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (they named their variables starred for some reason) > 1622205319 433845 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (some of them) > 1622205800 822714 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv I "love" that Luma Lightness and L...something-else are all different things > 1622205808 217205 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Luminocity > 1622205820 638418 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Undefined behavior (language)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83543&oldid=83534 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+12) 10Fix headers > 1622205988 595909 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83544&oldid=83540 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10, > 1622205999 477789 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83545&oldid=83544 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+10) 10; > 1622207003 217098 PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you don't know how many colors you need in advance (and don't want to reassign already used ones), there's also that trick where you take the integers in order, then reverse the bits (from the highest set one) and tack a 0. in front, and use the resulting binary fraction as your hue. > 1622207009 428381 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0; 1; 10, 11; 100, 101, 110, 111; ... => 0.0; 0.1; 0.01, 0.11; 0.001, 0.101, 0.011, 0.111; ... => decimal 0.0; 0.5; 0.25, 0.75; 0.125, 0.625, 0.375, 0.875; ... => degrees 0; 180; 90, 270; 45, 225, 135, 315; ... > 1622207016 128512 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's not as optimal as an even split (except when the eventual number of colors is a power of two), and can't as neatly account for an arbitrary distance metric as shachaf's randomized thing, but it's also easy to do and you can compute the N'th color directly. > 1622207022 829600 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I imagine there's probably other ways of generating that sequence than reversing bits.) > 1622207342 14475 PRIVMSG #esoteric : woah nice hack!! > 1622207878 605547 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83546&oldid=82945 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+65) 10/* General languages */ UB (language) > 1622207918 477092 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess it can be found on OEIS > 1622207944 795495 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if tyour copypaste is correct > 1622207948 699814 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess another way of expressing that would be "rotate the highest set bit to the bottom and divide by the value of the bit above it", since finding the MSB can be easier than reversing. (You get the numbers in a slightly different order though; each trip around the circle will be in the natural order.) > 1622207974 449220 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh wait, they are encoded as two numbers > 1622207989 854436 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe two OEIS sequences > 1622208004 136678 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's not exactly an "integer" sequence, yeah. But I'm sure it's in there in some form. > 1622208105 555763 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, the divisor is just 1, 2, 4, 4, 8, 8, 8, 8, ... which is definitely in. And the other one would be... 0, 1, 1, 3, 1, 3, 5, 7, which is pretty trivial too. > 1622208108 239241 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my problem with this is that the theoretical considerations are not too motivated by the original problem of choosing colors, because you almost always want to choose only a very small palette, and then you can probably throw out all those theoretical optimization algorithms and you're going to handpick them and even take into account your company's color scheme or mnemonics or traditional political > 1622208114 255069 PRIVMSG #esoteric : party colors or whatever > 1622208134 973026 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C+1%2C+3%2C+1%2C+5%2C+3%2C+7&sort=&language=&go=Search > 1622208137 491925 PRIVMSG #esoteric : divide > 1622208137 611051 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fair, although I liked shachaf's randomized algorithm a lot, and think it might even have some plausible use cases. > 1622208143 345075 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://oeis.org/search?q=2%2C+4%2C+4%2C+8%2C+8%2C+8%2C+8&sort=&language=&go=Search > 1622208152 8456 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or flags and traditional sportsball jersey colors > 1622208195 224874 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is shachaf keegan ? > 1622208206 725482 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and the colors might also depend on what technology you use to show them, eg. show on TFT monitor, print in a newspaper chart in RGB, print on a product or ad with spot colors, make plastic LEGO bricks from them etc > 1622208250 560731 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you want to make shirts, your domain probably isn't a monitor's RGB range > 1622208254 729002 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Numerator of n/2^(n-1). - Alexander Adamchuk, Feb 11 2005 > 1622208343 216802 PRIVMSG #esoteric : doesn't look like n/2^(n-1) > 1622208366 150451 PRIVMSG #esoteric : must be concidense > 1622208743 834092 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: shachaf is not normally keegan but I think in this case fizzie might be mixed upo > 1622208969 625257 PRIVMSG #esoteric : looks like there is no formula > 1622208972 57908 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's all recursive > 1622208999 225258 PRIVMSG #esoteric : either a(n) = a(n/2).... or gcd() > 1622210644 424395 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Huanying04 5* 10New user account > 1622210877 476118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83547&oldid=83528 5* 03Huanying04 5* (+139) 10/* Introductions */ > 1622211580 844476 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PUBERTY14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83548&oldid=83498 5* 03Not applicable 5* (-124) 10Undo revision 83498 by [[Special:Contributions/RanibowSprimkle64|RanibowSprimkle64]] ([[User talk:RanibowSprimkle64|talk]]) please dont use the page itself for discussions, use [[Talk:PUBERTY]] instead < 1622211675 328476 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1622212727 494645 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: I get those two mixed up all the time for some reason. I think they must hash to the same bucket in my brain or something. > 1622212778 801962 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I had exactly the same problem with two people back at the university, I just couldn't keep them apart even though they weren't all that much alike. < 1622212919 368844 :LKoen!~LKoen@73.245.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1622212964 820277 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: they hash to the same colour in my IRC client < 1622213516 897839 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1622213763 402209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Re the other thing, the A006257 version (the one that goes 1, 3, 5, 7 instead of 1, 5, 3, 7) has a(n) = 2*(n - 2^floor(log_2(n))) + 1 as a formula, which makes sense, because it's the "write in binary and rotate by 1" thing. > 1622213770 274040 PRIVMSG #esoteric : And A072383 (the denominator) is d(n) = 2^floor(log_2(n)+1), which also makes sense. > 1622213775 985433 PRIVMSG #esoteric : So the whole thing put together is (2*(n - 2^floor(log_2(n))) + 1) / 2^floor(log_2(n)+1), simplifications left as an exercise to the reader. > 1622213780 993065 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > let flr = fromInteger . floor in take 16 $ (\n -> (2 * (n - 2**(flr . logBase 2 $ n)) + 1) / 2**(flr (logBase 2 n + 1))) <$> [1..] > 1622213782 902825 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0.5,0.25,0.75,0.125,0.375,0.625,0.875,6.25e-2,0.1875,0.3125,0.4375,0.5625,0... > 1622213871 910983 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so initial copypoasta was wrong? > 1622213878 114765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and I search wrong thing? > 1622213887 193160 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *searched > 1622213947 451984 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Depends on how exactly you mean. The one you searched for matched my initial reverse-bits description, I think. > 1622213973 208331 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In any case, it's the same numbers just in a different order. > 1622214022 93109 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, the same within the denominator buckets > 1622214293 865210 PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you use a branch as a "marker" for a commit that has some special meaning (like it's the version you've currently got running somewhere), is there a convenient way to move that to a different commit without checking the branch out? Hmm, I guess git update-ref, but that feels pretty low-level. > 1622214515 208432 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:S1(210)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83549 5* 03S1(210) 5* (+119) 10Created page with "Hi, I'm Andrew, a programmer and college student. As of yet my only work on this site is with my language [[deBruijn]]" > 1622214596 454592 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you are probably more supposed to use tag, not branch > 1622214613 431334 PRIVMSG #esoteric : then it's trivial -- locally retag another commit and push --force --tags > 1622214664 124713 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://stackoverflow.com/a/46289900/322020 IIRC it pushes only tags, not the current branch > 1622215719 307614 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe, it just feels odd to use a --force flag to do a "normal" operation. > 1622215739 95162 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, apart from the pushing part (I might keep this entirely local), you need --force to replace an existing tag. > 1622215849 3104 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, with a branch there would be a reflog, which kind of sounds nice as a built-in record of where it's been. > 1622215863 461686 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Though apparently you can create a reflog for a tag as well.) > 1622216901 353173 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh wait > 1622216915 43839 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe you mean it's always --ff when you move that thing? > 1622216928 810493 PRIVMSG #esoteric : then it would be a branch, yeah > 1622217051 599478 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you might consider using some web interface if it's a marker that you don't usually use and just keep it for a case > 1622217131 148354 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for example, it two companies where I worked there was a "master" branch that was a marker of "what is now in prod" > 1622217153 77886 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (personally I would just use tags like you do it for software releases) > 1622217218 206132 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so no one was actually supposed to "git checkout master" so we did it via web interface of gitlab/github > 1622217306 812867 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the only problem is that you can't merge an arbitrary commit in web interface, only HEAD, so I used API to create a temporary branch, then merge, then delete it > 1622218135 221790 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " I had exactly the same problem with two people back at the university" => yeah, that happens sometimes. sometimes the has fingerprints that I use to identify people have collisions. It can be somewhat socially uncomfortable. > 1622218264 10269 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " Also, with a branch there would be a reflog" => wait, tags don't have a reflog by default? > 1622218276 515276 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I didn't know that > 1622218285 721251 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That's what the documentation seemed to imply. > 1622218298 706040 PRIVMSG #esoteric : --create-reflog "Create a reflog for the tag. To globally enable reflogs for tags, see core.logAllRefUpdates in git-config(1)." > 1622218355 352291 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that said, make sure you're familiar with git workspace, which lets you check out multiple workspaces from the same repository, and then you can independently switch them to different branches > 1622218384 468584 PRIVMSG #esoteric : then, even though you have to check out the branch, you at least don't have to lose whatever you have checked out in your main workspace > 1622218392 938128 PRIVMSG #esoteric : For the record, I did go with a tag (and a reflog, not that I expect to look at it) for the marker. > 1622218427 997928 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and apparently it's called git worktree , not git workspace > 1622218602 183972 PRIVMSG #esoteric : workspaces? > 1622218607 539698 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I use worktrees for my config file repository, it's got a separate branch called `dist` that only has the stock configuration files straight from the .debs, and whenever I upgrade a package and it does that "this config file was locally edited" thing, I just copy the new dist file into the checked-out dist branch and make a new commit, then (in the main worktree) merge it into the branch that has all the > 1622218612 759459 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just git clone in different directories if you mean that > 1622218613 550401 PRIVMSG #esoteric : local changes in it, so that git can do a proper three-way merge. > 1622218644 611841 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nah, worktree is different from an independent clone. > 1622218669 108069 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's basically just a second checked-out working tree from the same repository. > 1622218809 753433 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yep, the multiple worktrees share the same namespace of tags and branches > 1622218838 906931 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they also share storage space but you can partly do that in a clone with that option that uses hardlinks or something < 1622219786 891270 :LKoen!~LKoen@73.245.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1622220508 297217 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: also luminance and I think we forgot some more > 1622220632 243303 PRIVMSG #esoteric : now I think I saw somewhere an article which used IIRC Poisson disc sampling (with decreasing radius) to make unique colors, taking all dimensions beside hue into account (through ΔE) > 1622220645 676515 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm if I could only remember where I saw that at all < 1622221129 316604 :LKoen!~LKoen@73.245.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1622222236 512939 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DeBruijn14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83550 5* 03S1(210) 5* (+4309) 10created page > 1622222754 8592 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 032000gmod 5* 10New user account > 1622222777 847903 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Hypocritical 5* 10New user account > 1622222945 836275 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83551&oldid=83547 5* 032000gmod 5* (+86) 10 > 1622223008 402890 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83552&oldid=83542 5* 03S1(210) 5* (+15) 10/* D */ added DeBruijn > 1622223016 235090 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ~~~~ is a pretty odd way of signing your comment. > 1622223265 64756 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol > 1622223434 922159 PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw dear esotericians do you for some reason know who and where to ask what is a good price for a melodica (a harmonica-like instrument with keyboard and IMO more mellow timbres on average) for an amateur (like me) but who doesn’t want to end up upgrading to another one later (so, decent construction and sound etc.) as I’m afraid “beginner’s” might be too low a bar for this use case > 1622223436 363809 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, right, maybe they were reading the instructions in the *source*, where it obviously has to be written that way. > 1622223494 418504 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or better a guide about melodicas. Though right, this one I may at least try googling myself. Hopefully that’d clear matters > 1622223548 987173 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I do have an acquaintance who plays one, but I don't think they're doing IRC at all frequently. I might as well copy-paste that question to a dead channel we have in common, though. > 1622223635 908921 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think of making this "IDE" universal > 1622223644 112737 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I’m a bit conflicted that English texts are usually better for various advices on many things, whereas you may end up with none in Russian, but then they may usually assume you live in an English-speaking country and “localized” parts of advice would be of no use. That’s lame, Earth > 1622223661 290826 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Favourite story: was walking through a train station underpass once, and heard someone play the Monkey Island theme tune on a melodica; mentioned that to my friendquaintance later, and turns out they were the person doing the playing. > 1622223679 638367 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so you configure it to launch a specified fungeoid interpreter and that interpreter should support the input format that is not just plain code but annotated > 1622223713 842741 PRIVMSG #esoteric : an IDE designed primarily for universal language support? > 1622223724 626626 PRIVMSG #esoteric : then the IDE waits the configured amount of time for a case if the interpreter subprocess hangs, and if ok it prints the results with debug data somehow > 1622223740 703118 PRIVMSG #esoteric : immibis for fungeoids > 1622223776 915733 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't have a fungeoid interpreter without a debugger where you can watch the turtle run around the program > 1622223783 413418 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (it has to be a turtle) > 1622223784 47013 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "immibis for fungeoids" sounds like a political slogan. Vote immibis, they're all for fungeoids. > 1622223791 537978 PRIVMSG #esoteric : heh > 1622223804 444217 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I might as well copy-paste that question to a dead channel we have in common, though. => I’ll be glad for that! And relay I wish them good fun with their instrument, if you may > 1622223814 125522 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sounds clumsy > 1622223826 776996 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv not my fav thing to say out loud but Russians don't think they are supposed to help each other (and lets pretend it's only in the internet) > 1622223844 527584 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Favourite story: was walking through a train station underpass once, and heard someone play the Monkey Island theme tune on a melodica; mentioned that to my friendquaintance later, and turns out they were the person doing the playing. => haha > 1622223888 206483 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The set of people likely to be found playing the Monkey Island theme tune on a melodica in a train station underpass (in Finland) probably isn't huge, anyway. > 1622223894 135903 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I showed someone a wiki diff recently and he said "I don't get it" because he never saw a wiki diff, and never edited anything in the internet at all -- they use it just like a public toilet that they never flush > 1622223930 261995 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: oh I mostly agree. Many communities are a high level of toxicity :( we know > 1622223957 793571 PRIVMSG #esoteric : immibis for a start I won't be a real time debugger -- only one message to send and one message to get per program execution > 1622224065 722063 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv they are unhelpful not because they hate you but because they are just raised like that > 1622224093 913066 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with no feeling that they aren't the center of the universe and the only conscious specie here > 1622224102 268653 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I’m glad I closed the door on one forum lately. That was the last forum I was a regular on. Sucks both ways, there were infrequent fruitful math discussions but it just doesn’t work as a whole. Politics etc., meh. Casino effect made it hard to leave for good but now I’m free and if something I can entertain myself on math.SE or that other one SE site on maths > 1622224130 893134 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: yep, I could have ended up almost the same > 1622224135 89260 PRIVMSG #esoteric : casino effect? > 1622224243 878785 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just found a group of people who are very nice to each other in the end (not this one) and we chat together about everything and that’s warm and I can rant about linear algebra and someone might even try to read and that’s nice. I’ll indoctrinate them into my view of maths mwahaha > 1622224280 62555 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "for a start I won't be a real time debugger" -- IT won't be a, not I won't be of course... > 1622224300 469798 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I won't be a real-time debugger, I have to sleep every now and then. > 1622224470 516491 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: IDK how it’s usually called but it’s more or less believed that if the brain sees some pleasing things randomly while doing something, then it could see them with very low probability and still want to do that general thing, no matter how fruitless it might be overall. Like turning the hand of the slot machine or browsing the social feed or watching random funny cat videos on youtubes (hail gods I don’t do the last two at all; I still fi > 1622224470 616020 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nd time for other timesinks like occasional minecraft or binge reading until sunrise) > 1622224521 460031 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DeBruijn14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83553&oldid=83550 5* 03S1(210) 5* (+56) 10/* Print some numeral 0 through 9 */ > 1622224528 372033 PRIVMSG #esoteric : IIRC that’s related to something something dopamine intoxication > 1622224534 942269 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's called a hope I guess > 1622224545 108814 PRIVMSG #esoteric : not a conscious hope > 1622224563 440365 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you just scroll and scroll, or push and push, or something, even if it’s toxic etc. > 1622224567 673169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83554&oldid=83551 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+108) 10Clarify signature instructions. > 1622224571 351169 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mind is not wise > 1622224577 528469 PRIVMSG #esoteric : then it's a procrastination ..D > 1622224588 760674 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sounds like > 1622224618 767000 PRIVMSG #esoteric : neither by default, nor most of the time. Procrastination is a super-how-it’s called of that, I guess. It can be more fruitful > 1622224623 109271 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like drawing something > 1622224654 694069 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like coding in befunge > 1622224657 349000 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you want more than a few random points in a space with normal Euclidean metric, https://www.gnu.org/software/gsl/doc/html/qrng.html might help, though I never tested it. but if you just want few points, like for a color scheme, then you'll want to pick colors from the edges of the color space, like completely saturated or completely bright colors, so unless you use something too simple like RGB > 1622224659 441497 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it might have a value of its own (though unrelated to what you have to do instead of procrastinating) > 1622224661 370037 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yep > 1622224663 596324 PRIVMSG #esoteric : distance as your metric, something like that won't be enough. > 1622224664 325854 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION just trolling > 1622224671 554274 PRIVMSG #esoteric : befunge seems like art too > 1622224687 376220 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm didn’t seem like that :) if so you caught me > 1622224711 126149 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I’m very trollable because of my strong presupposition of sincerity > 1622224730 801353 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though in the end I learn and end up bitter to offending people :P > 1622224805 655109 PRIVMSG #esoteric : BTW a real-time debugger for fungeoids would be rad > 1622224806 21599 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah, so that's a harmonica without the bellow, blown with your lungs and mouth? > 1622224825 203231 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: so is a regular harmonica? :D > 1622224840 41181 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it will be an annotator, a unique thing > 1622224846 82698 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well, not glass harmonica but that’s not a harmonica > 1622224852 38903 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe it's how I should call it actually > 1622224867 489511 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungannotator? > 1622224888 497581 PRIVMSG #esoteric : funnotator? > 1622224896 327496 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the second seems better < 1622224955 512588 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-scnpfshfruvugppp JOIN :#esoteric > 1622224955 910169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainfOOP14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83555 5* 032000gmod 5* (+986) 10Created page with "'''BrainfOOP''' (also known as BrainFOOP, Brain-Foop, BFOOP or simply Brainfoop) is a variant of [[Brainfuck]] that implements object-oriented programming (OOP) to Brainfuck...." > 1622224956 322923 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow 100% discount https://store.steampowered.com/app/424840/Little_Nightmares/ I saw this game on youtube > 1622225129 423024 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: ok, but harmonica makes me think of the instrument with a bellow and keyboard by default > 1622225135 533475 PRIVMSG #esoteric : pumped by hand > 1622225138 205330 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: BTW if Hungarian words for harmonica and some accordion-like instruments are similar, the Russian situation is the same, harmonica is essentially “mouth accordion” where accordion is not the accordion > 1622225162 496500 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah! I think English here has some historical shenanigans to end up the way it did > 1622225163 588358 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, it might be a language difference > 1622225190 799723 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ending up with “harmonica” for exclusively the mouth variant > 1622225259 30291 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok, but does harmonica at least refer only to the ones with a keyboard? > 1622225272 672516 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I always forget all that thing about accordeons > 1622225300 256700 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there are even three words - аккордеон гармонь баян > 1622225303 736303 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also a proper melodica has a tube to connect the mouth with the instrument body, and I think it should be able to open for cleaning (at least one guy in yt video claimed they all do open and showed how he cleaned his one) > 1622225338 183200 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: English harmonica is just with holes to blow into and no more, and melodica should be the one with keus > 1622225350 205441 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I seem to be Greek today, keys* > 1622225412 670020 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok, but then what is a mouth organ? < 1622225414 379949 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric > 1622225423 556033 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: one of ABBYY dictionaries I have installed says баян is called “button accordion”, seems logical enough, but then it gives “accordion” to both of the others, welll > 1622225443 882198 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: that’s synonymous with harmonica > 1622225451 157448 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok > 1622225455 855208 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (or at least should be) > 1622225463 487761 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and the one with a bellow but no keyboard is a bagpipe, right? > 1622225468 487990 PRIVMSG #esoteric : associated with the Scots > 1622225481 461684 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah > 1622225561 585531 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm I didn’t thought they were that related before. Though bagpipe should be not a reed-something-phone so they’re not that close > 1622225588 692652 PRIVMSG #esoteric : to be fair I don’t know if its pipes are woodwind-type or what > 1622225626 891677 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that scot instrument is волынка that is violin in english but it's not a violin, it's all messed...' < 1622225749 824215 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1622226013 564242 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The instrument that's en:accordion is fi:haitari, a word which is used literally for that instrument, but figuratively also for any kind of range of values some fluctuating quantity could be in, like a price range. I think the intuition is, you stretch and squeeze an accordion, so it sort of defines a range. (We also have the word fi:harmonikka for the instrument, which is pretty clearly of Russian > 1622226019 572990 PRIVMSG #esoteric : origin.) > 1622226147 226541 PRIVMSG #esoteric : As for en:harmonica, that's fi:huuliharppu, which literally translates as "lip harp". > 1622226181 920011 PRIVMSG #esoteric : article says these are harmonics https://pop-music.ru/upload/medialibrary/f11/f11b058e30f5e11af495e0dcc60093ca.png > 1622226199 295011 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and these are accordeon and bayan https://pop-music.ru/upload/medialibrary/787/7870651f091867dc791d16009cae56b8.png > 1622226344 155685 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: The first one in your first link is I think a "harmonium" in English. > 1622226394 50793 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wikipedia says " keyboard aerophone (G. Handharmonika)" > 1622226447 212340 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's also that thing called a glass harmonica, which is a pretty weird-looking one. > 1622226630 494206 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://coimages.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/images/27/528/medium_E2011_130_9__0001_.jpg <- and this thing, which AIUI is called a Crystal Palace. ;) > 1622226646 639147 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But maybe it doesn't count as a kind of an instrument when there's only the one. > 1622226774 966220 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sonic the Ёжик. > 1622226878 968506 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cat: cat: No such file or directory > 1622226900 10815 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cat: ../cat: No such file or directory > 1622226924 838718 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7886:2016-05-06 ` mv cat junk \ 5779:2015-07-02 ` sed -i \'s/$/ >^.^ cp oerjan/cat cat \ 3767:2013-09-16 rm cat \ 3729:2013-09-11 mv oerjan/cat cat \ 3727:2013-09-11 rm cat \ 3694:2013-09-10 cat run > cat \ 3693:2013-09-10 cat run | echo > cat \ 3692:2013-09-10 mv cat run \ 3691:2013-09-10 echo Meow~~ > cat \ 3690:2013-09-10 1622226927 878494 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ahah > 1622226934 835661 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ешик sounds like some jew name > 1622226936 118510 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I saw a hedgehog snuffling around in the back garden / parking lot of the place we were renting before a couple of times. > 1622226944 165704 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cat: ../junk/cat: No such file or directory > 1622226951 592849 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cat: ../junk: No such file or directory > 1622226963 757944 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7906:2016-05-07 ` mv junk/cat emoticons \ 7886:2016-05-06 ` mv cat junk > 1622226983 43816 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10388:2017-03-10 mk emoticons/window//1+1 \ 10104:2017-01-07 echo \'\xc2\xaf\\_(\xe3\x83\x84)_/\xc2\xaf\' > emoticons/shrug2 \ 7906:2016-05-07 ` mv junk/cat emoticons \ 7905:2016-05-07 ` mv junk/:-D emoticons \ 5738:2015-06-25 echo \'\xe3\x83\xbc\xe3\x83\xbc\xe8\x9f\xb2\xe8\x9f\xb2\' > emoticons/swatter \ 5708:2015-06-24 ` echo \xe5\x87\xb8 >emoticons/flipbird \ 5707:2015-06-24 ` ec > 1622226991 364225 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Meow~~ >^.^< > 1622227016 801981 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `cat ../canary > 1622227017 605781 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why are you taking Polly down into the mine? Polly's a parrot, not a canary! And where's my cracker? > 1622227018 66267 PRIVMSG #esoteric : actually Ёж is the word kids are taught when they learn the alphabet > 1622227029 233225 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I was expecting something about cats in the canary. > 1622227053 770854 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://static.my-shop.ru/product/3/268/2679778.jpg > 1622227132 472300 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: To be fair, they're generally pretty small. > 1622227135 603778 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also fir (Ёлка) sometimes as you can see https://www.sunnytoy.ru/i/product_i/649_4_b.jpg > 1622227163 93997 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e yeah, the base form is еж > 1622227186 464452 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's like... when you are kid you are suppose to speak in kinds words to everything around you and use the word ежик > 1622227206 230240 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's like киса instead of кошка for a female cat > 1622227218 859121 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or котик instead of кот for male > 1622227247 600853 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Heh, "kissa" is the standard Finnish word for an adult cat of any gender. > 1622227265 20712 PRIVMSG #esoteric : heh > 1622227276 131578 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we say kis-kis to call a cat > 1622227279 726031 PRIVMSG #esoteric : do you? > 1622227289 281433 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah. < 1622227328 757772 :LKoen_!~LKoen@73.245.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1622227340 499107 PRIVMSG #esoteric : xvffn > 1622227446 672942 PRIVMSG #esoteric : why not < 1622227465 894179 :LKoen!~LKoen@73.245.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1622227471 380063 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Cybernetics and governor are cognate < 1622227490 656918 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1622227581 913073 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't know why, but there's something I find really amusing about Wiktionary's laconic image subtitles. Like the one at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kitten > 1622227593 330519 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, it makes sense, it's just there to illustrate the word. > 1622227612 449651 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But still. At least it doesn't have a "Fig. 1" in front. > 1622227620 45154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Anticubex 5* 10New user account > 1622227680 187499 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: comes with the medium. in a paper dictionary most of the illustrations will have multiple things labelled in it to illustrate multiple words, and there are fewer illustrations in first place > 1622227706 906381 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I happened by the university library once, and on the table where they have new issues of journals, they had a maths journal of some kind, where somewhere pretty early on (inside front cover?) there was a fascinating picture of some kind of a graph, subtitled with: "Fig. 1: A fascinating picture." > 1622227710 256510 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Drones are tools used to perform certain criminal actions that were not possible in ancient times. > 1622227804 845706 PRIVMSG #esoteric : кот кошка (rus) кiт кiшка (ukr), then the wiktionary says that in Czhe and Pol it's the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Sorbian_language and is "kot" that is from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgar_Latin " cattus " > 1622227863 856386 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83556&oldid=83554 5* 03Anticubex 5* (+155) 10/* Introductions */ > 1622227940 603447 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: I think I skimmed it, but no recollection. Also, I tried to search for that subtitle now, but aside from a few cases of "-- when blah blah (Fig. 1), a fascinating picture emerges --", the only hits were: https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2019-03-07.html#lEb -- https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2013-01-23.html#lFj -- https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2008-11-03.html#lvb > 1622227958 274604 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Dominicentek 5* 10New user account > 1622227963 349107 PRIVMSG #esoteric : So this has been the fourth time I've mentioned it on-channel, and I'm never going to get any closer to actually finding what it was about. < 1622227981 891592 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1622228011 225921 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also it says that it's wrong to assume it's from goth "katts" greek "κάττα" and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_German "katt" while from the vulgar latin it came to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Slavic_language as "*kotъ" > 1622228184 178524 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83557&oldid=83556 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+184) 10/* Introductions */ > 1622228206 864343 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83558&oldid=83557 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+94) 10/* Introductions */ > 1622228261 277079 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Flkl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83559&oldid=83533 5* 03Salmmanfred 5* (-6659) 10 > 1622228488 676208 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so since wikipedia says the name Katherine is from "Greek adjective καθαρός (katharos), meaning "pure"" then if "katharos" is the same as "κάττα" (and idk, have no clue in greek) then either there is something wrong or there is a connection between "greek" and "vulgar latin" that is missing in these articles > 1622228511 414823 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh wait https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BA%CE%AC%CF%84%CF%84%CE%B1 : Etymology Unknown but clearly related to Latin cattus (“cat”). > 1622228664 571269 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait, but ru wiktionary says "it can't be from green katta because there it is known only since VI"... I'm lost ..D > 1622228724 288837 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe it means it was in latin and from there went to other languages separately > 1622228833 455005 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainfOOP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83560&oldid=83555 5* 032000gmod 5* (+327) 10 > 1622228833 725605 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "green" > 1622228849 401254 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *shrug* > 1622228880 632192 PRIVMSG #esoteric : do all those come from an Egyptian word in first place? > 1622229012 232594 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but again in https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cattus#Latin it's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Uralic_language "*käďwä (“female (of a fur animal)”) -- here I'm already not sure about the "w" letter and it links to some hungary website that I don't understand at all http://uralonet.nytud.hu/eintrag.cgi?locale=en_GB&id_eintrag=222 > 1622229075 656758 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas didn't hear any evidence of egyptians move to Ural ..D > 1622229335 59098 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Uralic_homeland > 1622229389 994412 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: no, I mean borrowed through ancient greek to other languages > 1622229408 994023 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: like ancient romans mets cats in Egypt, and perhaps took their name from them > 1622229561 127678 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this states 3000 BC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cats_in_ancient_Egypt > 1622229615 712364 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this 7000-2000 BC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Uralic_language > 1622229657 551647 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but we can't know when did the word appear because they probably didn't write much > 1622229805 916971 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think the point maybe was, before you had domesticated cats, maybe you didn't particularly need a word like "cat" (as opposed to whatever potential other words you had for wild members of the same family of species), and I think it's generally accepted cats were first domesticated in Egypt, so you could still have gotten the idea + a loanword from there, even if you had a language of your own > 1622229811 919981 PRIVMSG #esoteric : beforehand. > 1622229813 284607 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Not getting involved in tracing the words, though; it's too much not an exact science.) > 1622229864 29256 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: Do you think people will go on liking cats for more thousands of years, though? Probably. Maybe. > 1622230032 204582 PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw those articles don't really say if the word "kat" was about domesticated cats or just any > 1622230125 540951 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_domesticated_cat says: "... the earlier origin to Southwest Asia" > 1622230155 129453 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainfOOP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83561&oldid=83560 5* 032000gmod 5* (+1228) 10 > 1622230226 785639 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainfOOP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83562&oldid=83561 5* 032000gmod 5* (-18) 10 > 1622230281 660063 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: some people predict no, because cats won't be as friendly as today, because they're selectively breeded against because cat owners neuter their cats but don't touch wild cats, so the thousand year long work of domesticating housecats will quickly get mostly undone > 1622230375 91663 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf look at this guy https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%82#/media/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Felis_silvestris_silvestris.jpg > 1622230399 211682 PRIVMSG #esoteric : take "friendly" in a relative way restricted to how it applies to cat obviously > 1622230497 592052 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that said, perhaps we'll have robot cats instead > 1622231028 59578 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's that game about robots that have real cats. > 1622231058 938125 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've left the tab open for who knows how long, because that's the only way I know of to manage "take a look at this thing at some point" URLs. > 1622231151 33977 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That's why the "main" browser window has 93 tabs and you can only barely see the favicons. > 1622231206 761484 PRIVMSG #esoteric : s/game/planned game/ > 1622231367 861379 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've told this story before too, but I knew someone who was doing the same in Firefox, except that they never clicked the "restore tabs" button, instead leaving them "in" the restore dialog tab, nested more and more deeply every time they had to restart the browser. > 1622231392 669778 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Turns out if you do that, it takes O(2^n) space in your Firefox profile. > 1622231437 191434 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Because it's all JSON, and the "nesting" involves putting all the serialized JSON into a string, so you go " -> \" -> \\\" -> \\\\\\\" -> ... > 1622231543 919373 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh cats here > 1622231614 334301 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: hehehe > 1622231642 482492 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: I have heard of people who have thousands of tabs open in their browser, though that's probably more common in Chrome than in Firefox > 1622231680 993164 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah. I just declare a tabocalypse every now and then to reset. > 1622231699 866127 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe "tab amnesty" is a better word. > 1622231700 874978 PRIVMSG #esoteric : was it mentioned that etymology of кошка isn’t quite known? Bulgarian котка is more faithful to the hypothesized rules. Hm though now it seems to say that’s alright making an example of Марья > Машка. So I remember something wrong, then > 1622231819 566181 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I usually only have between two and twenty tabs open, and I don't think I've ever gone above fifty > 1622231898 719292 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I do often have multiple windows though, up to I think five in the worst case, when watching a video or when typing or proofreading something in one window that I read from another > 1622231950 701680 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or more generally, to have a page shown in an unusual window size, which is the common reason for videos too > 1622231976 692791 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like text pages in a narrower window than widescreen video > 1622232011 729822 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and twitch in a wider window than youtube because twitch uses part of the horizontal screen estate for chat > 1622232123 897363 PRIVMSG #esoteric : IIRC ё is usually written as е anyway. => yeah I secretly envy Spanish obligatory accents and this. Optionality of dots in ё is even codified; one more reason to not follow the literary norm > 1622232213 655585 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ешик sounds like some jew name => for me it sounds Bashkir/Tatar as I live nearby > 1622232338 977250 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: I did learn it as a foreign language. But yeah, not sure why we learned the diminuative (that is what it is, right?). => for me personally it seems people rarely say ёж the non-diminutive, maybe that’s my city-dwelling distortion though > 1622232393 387488 PRIVMSG #esoteric : tabocalypse -- this damn thing happens on it own after you collect tabs for two years > 1622232426 965423 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sometimes no knowledge about chrome internals can help -- it's just gone > 1622232467 474582 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, that's another reason why it's not a great practice for reference management. > 1622232497 687433 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Heh, "kissa" is the standard Finnish word for an adult cat of any gender. => oh! that’s perfect!! I wish I could say now I’m going to learn Finnish but I won’t, more languages are a serious commitment > 1622232505 75367 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: Our diacritics are critical too; there's a lot of pairs where both are valid, with entirely unrelated meanings. saari/sääri -> leg/island, hella/hellä -> stove/tender. > 1622232521 525626 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv they would say еж on TV in news reports > 1622232621 571735 PRIVMSG #esoteric : diacritics... we just write both words in the same way and call it omonym, expecting from you to guess from the context > 1622232630 992411 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: yeah, Hungarian has much fewer of those, especially when the words are in context in a sentence. the few remaining ones are noun or verb grammatical infections where a/e vs á/é makes a difference. when I type Hungarian without diacritics on IRC or skype or email, I often still use diacritics for a few words where it would cause confusion. > 1622232904 58717 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: I was doing something like you to look at something later (indefinitely later, eventually) but then I started trying to collect that kind of links in bookmarks, adding some tags in hope I’ll find something useful later, like dogs with bones > 1622233011 988139 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sometimes even placed by folders, though they are for more immediate attention > 1622234061 60983 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainfOOP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83563&oldid=83562 5* 032000gmod 5* (+51) 10 > 1622234624 384255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainfOOP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83564&oldid=83563 5* 032000gmod 5* (+337) 10 > 1622234746 243846 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainfOOP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83565&oldid=83564 5* 032000gmod 5* (+53) 10 > 1622234784 730316 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:2000gmod14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83566 5* 032000gmod 5* (+82) 10Created page with "I'm 2000gmod, engineering student from Chile. Currently creating my first esolang." > 1622234821 735441 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainfOOP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83567&oldid=83565 5* 032000gmod 5* (+9) 10 > 1622234988 884191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainfOOP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83568&oldid=83567 5* 032000gmod 5* (+31) 10 > 1622235113 439253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Milk14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83569 5* 03Salmmanfred 5* (+702) 10Created page with "== Milk == A concept for the milk language created by ~~~ === Concept === Milk
Add milk - adds milk to the carton a variable that controls the interpreters urges
Po..." > 1622235827 763206 PRIVMSG #esoteric : by restricting the color space (here 4 bits per channel) you can do exhaustive search on each row rather than random https://ibin.co/63QdSeBPFrmG.png > 1622235904 931252 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for each row we loop through all 4096 colors and pick the one that maximizes the minimum distance to any color already picked > 1622236060 89494 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can you then do a second higher-resolution search in the neighbourhood? If so, will the only benefit of that be that your hex values will look more precise, increasing the believability of the statement that a highly paid brand doctor chose these specific colour values? > 1622236158 882115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes and yes, i think > 1622236290 66578 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I should note that CSS already has a syntax for 12-bit colors but it works slightly differently > 1622236298 267360 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the values are spaced by 0x11 rather than 0x10 > 1622236309 284364 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so #000 = #000000, #888 = #888888, #fff = #ffffff > 1622236373 557605 PRIVMSG #esoteric : keegan by doing the exhaustive search you are probably doing worse, because it's less similar to doing the golden ratio > 1622236433 416467 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I would rather iterate until I estimate the maximal available distance and then chose it divided by some constant that is kind of golden ratio but in 3d and might be found empirically somehow by a lot of tries and measuring the quality of result < 1622236453 984338 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1622236927 271584 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-scnpfshfruvugppp QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1622237182 320744 PRIVMSG #esoteric : meh https://i.imgur.com/HWHgK3a.png can't figure out neither how to set square shaped buttons, nor font size, not how to catch keypress events... so this was my first ruby+tk try but at least it didn't segfault > 1622237323 376249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : another alternative is Opal and there it is possible to style with CSS but idk about events > 1622237729 439122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : actually no, Opal sucks since " is for creating documents not interactive applications." so the SWT remains but it's jRuby that is all buggy and old > 1622237741 85680 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e macOS > 1622237768 806954 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I meant setting the size of the buttons -- I can set width but the "height" throws an error, lol > 1622237961 643594 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :O > 1622237964 734732 PRIVMSG #esoteric : where did you find it > 1622237987 991780 PRIVMSG #esoteric : poetic > 1622238177 792847 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they are predators > 1622238292 607414 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's night, they are hunting for such as you but smaller < 1622239655 994710 :LKoen_!~LKoen@73.245.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1622239978 995115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03TheoCGaming 5* 10New user account > 1622240096 867883 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainfOOP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83570&oldid=83568 5* 032000gmod 5* (+11) 10 > 1622240101 896625 PRIVMSG #esoteric : What is properly the definition of "a Funge"? > 1622240445 268211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainfOOP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83571&oldid=83570 5* 032000gmod 5* (+0) 10 > 1622240471 694234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 032000gmod 5* 10moved [[02BrainfOOP10]] to [[Brainfoop]]: Better name > 1622240503 480091 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfoop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83574&oldid=83572 5* 032000gmod 5* (+11) 10 > 1622240575 91952 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The wiki has a page on that, though it's just someone's opinion: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Fungeoid > 1622240594 65853 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I kind of agree that the key differentiator is that there should be some sort of an instruction pointer that has some kind of notion of direction of movement, and some kind of space in which to move, and the space should be some kind of a geometrical one instead of a purely abstract one (like a graph). > 1622240603 808585 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's probably a better way of putting that. > 1622240817 438255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83575&oldid=83558 5* 03TheoCGaming 5* (+229) 10/* Introductions */ just my introduction > 1622240845 502087 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Entropy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83576&oldid=75202 5* 03TheoCGaming 5* (+2874) 10Added a new program section for a FizzBuzz program, originally created by Truttle1, also added a link to his video. > 1622240949 549803 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "so the SWT remains but it's jRuby that is all buggy and old" -- meh, jruby just does not install ..\ > 1622240983 321262 PRIVMSG #esoteric : While I'm fiddling with these things, here's a piece of evidence showing that 2011 is probably when peak #esoteric was reached: https://0x0.st/-2uJ.txt < 1622241197 315523 :LKoen!~LKoen@73.245.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1622241293 462536 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Entropy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83577&oldid=83576 5* 03TheoCGaming 5* (+82) 10/* FizzBuzz */ tried to clean up my edit < 1622241382 48470 :LKoen!~LKoen@73.245.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Client Quit > 1622241460 597867 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Entropy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83578&oldid=83577 5* 03TheoCGaming 5* (+12) 10/* FizzBuzz */ cleaning it up further... > 1622242164 354710 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DeBruijn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83579&oldid=83553 5* 03S1(210) 5* (-20) 10/* Heading text */ > 1622242520 567633 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: The person with the melodica said Yamaha's Pianicas are in general good yet affordable. And linked to https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/winds/pianica/index.html > 1622242538 688876 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: (Paraphrasing/translating) "the yellow p-25f is a bit too small, but even the p-32d probably doesn't need much upgrading". Says he plays "almost exclusively" those, last time just an hour ago. > 1622242552 101277 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not qualified to comment on the quality of the advice, YMMV. > 1622242745 359611 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfoop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83580&oldid=83574 5* 032000gmod 5* (-5) 10 > 1622244442 32528 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: thank you both! > 1622244507 375647 PRIVMSG #esoteric : even though that’s a personal taste advice, it’s useful to me > 1622244748 175431 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Now I'm tempted to work melodicas in the topic somehow. > 1622244922 297667 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DeBruijn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83581&oldid=83579 5* 03S1(210) 5* (-921) 10/* Specification */ > 1622244953 521148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DeBruijn14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83582&oldid=83581 5* 03S1(210) 5* (-1) 10/* Overview */ > 1622245238 348737 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: … liberated melodica of esoteric …? > 1622245339 481011 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: do ##math usually see the lambdabot of day? > 1622245374 731970 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you know the saying "if brute force doesn't work, you're not using enough of it"? what is the analogous saying about solving problems by throwing more money at them? > 1622245692 683118 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so SWT empty window app starts in 7 seconds > 1622245702 879228 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and it's after their blog post "Halved Startup Time" > 1622245732 385543 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "that's all you should know about Java" > 1622246367 106856 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: A channel with no bots? Is that even legal.