< 1619828065 180446 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: brings to question how a lot of "concatenative languages" define what counts as a valid program. < 1619828305 179096 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if valid programs can be constructed via concatenation of arbitrary programs one must wonder what counts as a valid program. < 1619828393 146956 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program `1 +` is valid in a concatenative language. and you can break that program apart by simply splitting it down the middle, into 1 and +. < 1619828460 464644 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could say that the "inverse" of concatenation would be, like, splitting it apart at any arbitrary point. < 1619828503 742153 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntactically, any languages that use bracketed quotations aren't concatenative. if I split it apart and the brackets don't match on either side, it's not a valid program. < 1619828511 396083 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, the two halves aren't. < 1619828665 762223 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what makes, say, '1 + apply' different than, say, ` + 1? I can split it all up into individual tokens and concatenate them again every which way, but only some combinations of those things are valid programs. < 1619828694 708094 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it down to the semantics, then? that when I try to run `1 + apply`, I get a stack underflow because the thing I'm applying was binary? < 1619828755 750250 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it that if I split "apply + 1" or "` + 1" up, or carve up any unlambda program, I won't get a valid underlying tree representation? < 1619828987 987942 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I consider any valid program as "anything that can leave the underlying interpreter in a steady state". < 1619830767 37095 :big_caballito!~bcbo@184.53.32.69 QUIT :Quit: installing glorious TempleOS < 1619830985 662698 :big_caballito!~bcbo@184.53.32.69 JOIN :#esoteric > 1619831288 53014 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07202014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82527&oldid=82153 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+427) 10started PrimitiveType zooms < 1619832907 88492 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1619834179 435397 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm < 1619835071 810614 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1619835451 941830 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1619835940 371170 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1619836302 867767 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1619839957 397665 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:interruptinuse!~interrupt@girl.mrtheplague.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1619846742 650007 :07IAAGOW1!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net NICK :adu < 1619846803 994357 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Maybe if it uses bracketed quotations, it can be said as a nested concatenative where the blocks are considered as atomic, then. < 1619846830 979379 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true. but it's pretty hacky. < 1619847014 829043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have something like underload's * and a, you only need single-character blocks < 1619847046 657877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can compose the rest < 1619847121 983635 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right. but the resulting program state of a program that builds a quotation no longer corresponds to a valid program. < 1619847171 384296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1619847247 778570 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :while you may build these objects, they are not directly representable without some kind of transformation back into the things that built them, which is not a 1:1 mapping. < 1619847308 721767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it can never be a 1:1 mapping if it's TC anyhow < 1619847348 438539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might choose a canonical form. but it might be awkward to work with. < 1619847365 817225 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, that's true. but it still stands that they're nit directly representable. < 1619847390 959818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you could choose a canonical form as the representation. < 1619847407 544451 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd still rather not have that intermediate transformation step. < 1619847430 292108 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends on the programming language, some might have atomic quotation blocks like I mentioned, in which case it might be representable < 1619847505 974690 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :those aren't distinctly concatenative though unless you say "any division of a program needs to have a balanced set of parentheses". < 1619847513 444591 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/parentheses/brackets < 1619847540 962054 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :which imo if you're talking about program concatenation that's a different operation entirely. < 1619847552 537988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i am imagining an underload variant where e.g. (a) is represented as a single character. < 1619847577 865630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are no brackets < 1619847666 384777 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. but again, if I compose a quotation out of those atoms/quoted functions, there's no way to represent those as valid subprograms without translating them into subprograms that construct those quotations. < 1619847672 225837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm alternative idea: give some semantic to unmatched brackets < 1619847724 741353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that reminds me of my underload interpreter in emmental, where there where 3 modes that a character could be interpreted in < 1619847795 337537 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could give semantics to the unmatched brackets.. and that's kind of where the notion of valid program breaks down into the semantics of the language, I guess. < 1619847801 564546 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In PostScript you can have a block such as "{1 add}" which is treated as a single token, although you can also write "1 /add cvx 2 array astore cvx" which produces the same thing. They are also the same "kind of things"; "{1 add}" just produces the same object in the tokenizer, that the other produces several objects, which when executed, produce that. < 1619847832 151042 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, having different modes of interpretation is like how Forth is doing; once it reads : and then the name, then it is in compiling mode. < 1619847937 634446 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming languages such as Underload could be implemented in either way. < 1619847991 372301 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda gets back to "can I cleave an unlambda program in half and have either half be a valid program". if you have a tolerant enough interpreter, yes. < 1619848127 344770 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, depending on the implementation it might, although Unlambda is more structured, so splitting it after half of the number of bytes will probably break the structure, but some interpreters may try to execute it anyways. < 1619848193 169904 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is, what structure? the structure is there because the apply operation is binary and expects two arguments. if its two arguments don't exist, it just doesn't reduce. < 1619848405 460166 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is the structure. But, you could do it other ways in some implementations. In such a case, it would implement a superset of Unlambda, I suppose. < 1619848543 909559 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since, if the structure doesn't match, then I would think that that particular code then won't quite be Unlambda.) < 1619850171 882223 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1619851124 892647 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1619851210 419232 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1619851348 222616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1619851984 733218 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1619854493 892758 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IBM Plex font is in FontLab format, which is proprietary, but looking at the source files, they are XML files, and possibly an open source implementation could be made, by examining the format of the XML files. Has such a thing been done? < 1619856491 858920 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1619856621 704506 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1619858859 434347 :LKoen!~LKoen@22.249.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1619860318 903996 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1619861054 13576 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised that every twitch channel is an IRC channel and you can join it at any time even if it's offline < 1619861090 408158 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the guy who made the Nightbot is a damn genious to make it before others realised to make it < 1619861203 659831 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure though if it's hosted on some server that keeps millions of socket connections to twitch or it's integrated with twitch infrastructure to emulate the botting < 1619861229 373264 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, he does not need millions of connetions, he just keeps one and joins channels < 1619861447 38048 :user3456!user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xzaecuahctroylwr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1619861447 209999 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzsrrsltjzpfzzlo QUIT :*.net *.split < 1619861812 376098 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-autoisfhmajvchds JOIN :#esoteric < 1619861821 402834 :user3456!user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xzaecuahctroylwr JOIN :#esoteric > 1619867357 49856 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+/Algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82528&oldid=82516 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+145) 10Finally, I have been building this for ages! I am pretty sure !@#$%^&*()_ will be turing complete if it can rotate the top three elements. > 1619867378 635262 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+/Algorithms14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82529&oldid=82528 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+1) 10-_- > 1619867787 416023 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+/Algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82530&oldid=82529 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-113) 10This apparantly does not work > 1619868050 381624 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+/Algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82531&oldid=82530 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+116) 10This does? > 1619868070 821764 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+/Algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82532&oldid=82531 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-2) 10Huh? > 1619868406 647333 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!@$%^&*()+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82533&oldid=82513 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+190) 10A better parity program < 1619870129 343356 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1619870166 809457 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1619873521 231642 :big_caballito!~bcbo@184.53.33.79 PART :#esoteric < 1619873576 407012 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:a468:8d2f:8edb:fb78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1619875506 680140 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1619880224 366827 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1619880662 904792 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:a468:8d2f:8edb:fb78 QUIT :Quit: We must know, we will know < 1619880975 67593 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kwmdjvjmadaqcuvq JOIN :#esoteric < 1619881567 714113 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Ping timeout: 630 seconds < 1619883284 150418 :devc`!~user@gateway/tor-sasl/devc PART #esoteric :"out" < 1619888433 222989 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1619888967 75989 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1619889084 305879 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1619889340 219777 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1619892146 349032 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1619892166 583397 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1619892306 666831 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1619892518 912365 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1619893248 839731 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1619895150 15083 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1619895351 537242 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kwmdjvjmadaqcuvq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1619895636 760947 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1619896369 266726 :TurkExportFood!~hasan@94.120.233.195 JOIN :#esoteric < 1619899684 640508 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1619899700 192864 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1619901843 847585 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uvtkxtknhyjkpohz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1619902003 301078 :TurkExportFood!~hasan@94.120.233.195 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1619902026 944313 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hmamblixaqsfzazg JOIN :#esoteric < 1619902493 807804 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-trwjaoytkbwefale QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1619902511 125070 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebzggtwpiflmmmt JOIN :#esoteric < 1619902515 984204 :^[!sid43445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ugyfoxhbynrgoqzp QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1619902648 986816 :^[!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep JOIN :#esoteric < 1619906046 225787 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zohuszkgaklticjf JOIN :#esoteric < 1619908376 784833 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1619908782 688920 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:TheSingularity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82534&oldid=81161 5* 03BrightBlackHole 5* (+186) 10/* Help! */ > 1619908790 831361 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:TheSingularity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82535&oldid=82534 5* 03BrightBlackHole 5* (+2) 10 > 1619908879 154190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:TheSingularity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82536&oldid=82535 5* 03BrightBlackHole 5* (+0) 10 > 1619908982 570922 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:BrightBlackHole14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82537&oldid=78572 5* 03BrightBlackHole 5* (+89) 10/* ok for real though */ > 1619909002 525125 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:BrightBlackHole14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82538&oldid=82537 5* 03BrightBlackHole 5* (+0) 10/* ok for real though */ > 1619909018 535525 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:BrightBlackHole14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82539&oldid=82538 5* 03BrightBlackHole 5* (-113) 10/* ok for real though */ < 1619910112 982781 :LKoen!~LKoen@22.249.88.92.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1619910292 571638 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1619911712 688025 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric > 1619915689 630855 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82540&oldid=82473 5* 03Beniolenio 5* (+17) 10 < 1619916937 805349 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1619917221 462765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfault14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82541 5* 03Beniolenio 5* (+4085) 10Created page with "Brainfuck is a cell-based esolang heavily based on brainfuck. It has all of brainfuck's commands as well as a few others for ease of use. {| class="wikitable" !Command !Desc..." > 1619917235 554249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfault14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82542&oldid=82541 5* 03Beniolenio 5* (+1) 10 > 1619917252 135587 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfault14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82543&oldid=82542 5* 03Beniolenio 5* (-1) 10Undo revision 82542 by [[Special:Contributions/Beniolenio|Beniolenio]] ([[User talk:Beniolenio|talk]]) > 1619917266 452801 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfault14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82544&oldid=82543 5* 03Beniolenio 5* (+1) 10 > 1619917572 756887 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfault14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82545&oldid=82544 5* 03Beniolenio 5* (+13) 10 > 1619917582 216278 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfault14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82546&oldid=82545 5* 03Beniolenio 5* (+0) 10 < 1619918279 492985 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1619918475 882106 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1619919736 131567 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1619920429 812799 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82547&oldid=82503 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+271) 10/* Three-param */ Important clarification that's already in use by the author of the language. < 1619922625 946542 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1619923311 621674 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1619924630 456434 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zohuszkgaklticjf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1619925558 933270 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03AndrewLi 5* 10New user account > 1619925663 15907 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82548&oldid=82475 5* 03AndrewLi 5* (+152) 10/* Introductions */ < 1619928554 900665 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1619928589 971911 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1619929690 113078 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82549&oldid=82464 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1121) 10PostScript, Free Hero Mesh < 1619930105 530184 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-btfxwyktteckpupn JOIN :#esoteric > 1619932210 76429 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82550&oldid=82393 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+772) 10/* Instructions */ > 1619932572 769465 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82551&oldid=82550 5* 03Aspwil 5* (-45) 10/* Instructions */ > 1619932826 521523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82552&oldid=82551 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+50) 10/* Language Overview */ > 1619932953 980731 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82553&oldid=82552 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+0) 10/* Instructions */ < 1619936800 789645 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1619936873 3286 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1619938456 6100 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-btfxwyktteckpupn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1619938752 953793 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1619940126 731377 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minimal CISC14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82554 5* 03Leothetechguy 5* (+1152) 10Created page with "The minimal CISC instruction set presented [http://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/arch/cisc/ here] is stack-based and composed entirely of zero-address instructions. There ar..." > 1619940163 337560 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minimal CISC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82555&oldid=82554 5* 03Leothetechguy 5* (-40) 10 > 1619940202 51764 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minimal CISC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82556&oldid=82555 5* 03Leothetechguy 5* (+0) 10 > 1619940348 974728 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minimal CISC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82557&oldid=82556 5* 03Leothetechguy 5* (+134) 10 < 1619942533 901898 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1619943014 305667 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1619943021 707527 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1619943047 648180 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1619943162 836830 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1619945700 254922 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1619945838 957312 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1619946032 864497 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1619946233 823661 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1619946817 259606 :LKoen!~LKoen@213.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1619947465 450670 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1619947613 684148 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1619948107 315035 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1619949935 806349 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1619949960 685140 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1619953346 367459 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1619953363 769825 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric > 1619954150 601211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Sporeball14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82558&oldid=82272 5* 03Lyxal 5* (+97) 10/* Sus */ new section < 1619961058 753385 :LKoen!~LKoen@213.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1619961184 605792 :LKoen!~LKoen@213.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1619962378 910591 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1619962493 828403 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1619962873 795789 :big_caballito!~bcbo@184.53.33.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1619965091 482040 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-snhwmajxzbdruiic JOIN :#esoteric < 1619970837 7147 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm < 1619972013 819343 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1619972023 845129 :xelxebar_!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1619972285 375730 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? catamorphism < 1619972288 973462 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :A catamorphism is when you recurse too greedily and too deep. < 1619972318 221138 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catamorphism is also a technique that cats use to fit through very small obstacles < 1619972321 843024 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1619972323 479602 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is hiding in plain sight. < 1619972325 278303 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :small gaps > 1619972461 834084 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BALAE14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82559 5* 03WallGraffiti 5* (+2150) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Brainfuck Assembly Language Advanced Edition (BALAE) |paradigms=Imperative |author=[[User:WallGraffiti]] |year=[[:Category:2021|2021]] |memsys=:Cate..." > 1619972522 18342 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BALAE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82560&oldid=82559 5* 03WallGraffiti 5* (+0) 10 < 1619972582 611238 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1619976662 160720 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82561&oldid=82375 5* 03Ais523 5* (+400) 10copyright is about not copying, you have to have written the text yourself < 1619977428 610575 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1619981611 343943 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1619982034 838377 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1619982599 953961 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1619984807 140363 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1619984833 761076 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1619984835 665643 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: Bye! > 1619984853 577667 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82562&oldid=82547 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+0) 10/* ROT13 cipher */ oops it was dumb-ly broken sigh < 1619985177 368654 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1619985201 651585 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esoteric < 1619985529 811269 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1619986516 210947 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :{?} Instant ;; Two target permanents copy each other. Exchange control of those permanents. < 1619986531 867760 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of many uses for this; what can you think of? < 1619988356 687337 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style euparl < 1619988356 838949 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1619988360 135971 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style eupar < 1619988360 136019 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1619988363 132005 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^styles < 1619988367 86757 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1619988367 196443 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube < 1619988374 510606 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1619988374 646424 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1619988446 185471 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what is your opinion on the proposed amendment on thermoregulations? < 1619988446 418313 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, mr gil-robles and myself, who benefit disproportionately? does he think he will respond to his question. < 1619988449 311599 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hmm, commissioner or president? < 1619988449 661760 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, would you not accept that the external border of the european people's party ( christian democrats) and european democrats and the commission for the information society. only 20% of the technology does not endanger future generations is becoming more and more waste. < 1619988595 840558 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this ponder this feels a bit odd... all the interesting theory is already in the task description? Though there was still some things left to do. < 1619988607 911946 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :was->were < 1619988697 160876 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, I have not (yet?) confirmed the hint.) < 1619988733 310459 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cf. https://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/ponderthis/challenges/May2021.html ) < 1619988877 140487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Does that mean 80% of all technology *does* endanger future generations? < 1619988877 405199 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, commissioner, although the euphemism given to the public, including when the work of the council of ministers. < 1619988957 38861 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that really sounds quite plausible < 1619988988 670767 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's usually not the technogy per se, but the scale at which we use it < 1619989004 51109 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :technology <-- I golfed that down a bit, I guess. < 1619989286 462061 :harha_!~harha@ns356919.ip-91-121-144.eu QUIT :Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in < 1619989557 296122 :harha_!~harha@ns356919.ip-91-121-144.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1619989915 343789 :LKoen!~LKoen@213.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” > 1619990995 372777 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82563&oldid=82553 5* 03Truttle1 5* (-51) 10/* Truth machine */ - Found a shorter way to write the truth-machine. < 1619991168 703363 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1619991854 898146 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1619992648 358023 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric > 1619993576 882415 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* 10New user account > 1619993923 352985 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82564&oldid=82548 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+182) 10/* Introductions */ > 1619994334 863747 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Spacebar14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82565 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+371) 10Created page with "Spacebar is an esoteric variant of JavaScript. The Spacebar interpreter first takes your code and adds spaces in random locations. Then it interprets your code as JavaScript...." > 1619994544 539415 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Spacebar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82566&oldid=82565 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+77) 10 > 1619994956 66199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Spacebar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82567&oldid=82566 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+873) 10/* Hello, World! */ > 1619996013 455600 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Spacebar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82568&oldid=82567 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (-15) 10/* Hello, World! */ < 1619996298 538202 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1619996407 645366 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1619996411 850842 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1619999047 630099 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1619999091 869019 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1619999294 98395 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1619999557 664586 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Spacebar14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82569&oldid=82568 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+83) 10cats /* Hello, World! */ > 1619999563 766530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Monika-Trenholme 5* 10New user account > 1619999591 801673 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82570&oldid=82549 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1489) 10 > 1619999615 893250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82571&oldid=82540 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+15) 10/* S */ [[Spacebar]] > 1620000161 783546 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82572&oldid=82564 5* 03Monika-Trenholme 5* (+366) 10/* Introductions */ > 1620000213 489971 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82573&oldid=82572 5* 03Monika-Trenholme 5* (-120) 10/* Introductions */ > 1620000665 68759 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03RXVT100 5* 10New user account > 1620000701 518461 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82574&oldid=82573 5* 03RXVT100 5* (+3) 10/* Introductions */ > 1620000818 805281 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82575&oldid=82574 5* 03RXVT100 5* (+78) 10/* Introductions */ > 1620000942 548255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:RXVT10014]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82576 5* 03RXVT100 5* (+77) 10Created page with "~~~~" > 1620001032 739593 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:RXVT10014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82577&oldid=82576 5* 03RXVT100 5* (+316) 10 < 1620002495 797172 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620002553 16298 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620007176 413067 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do the BCKW combinators carry an extra `x` parameter around? for convenience? < 1620007267 894949 :RXVT100!~affdd@209.58.142.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620007315 621925 :RXVT100!~affdd@209.58.142.134 QUIT :Client Quit < 1620007448 892387 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm > 1620008462 577495 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82578&oldid=82570 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1551) 10 < 1620011186 857116 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why, but maybe it is needed I don't know < 1620013816 42520 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a lot of the reasoning behind the different combinators comes down to "requirements", but deducing these requirements and the intuition behind them is something to be reverse engineered. < 1620015614 342438 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, maybe it is (unless it is documented already). < 1620015701 735571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ones have an extra parameter? < 1620015722 501082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems necessary to me in all four cases. < 1620015742 456707 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? if you omit `x`, it's still a valid combinator set. B denotes application but the rest just denote adjacency. < 1620015770 737662 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I also thought probably it is, although I have not proved it at this time either way (I have not tried, though). < 1620015774 23669 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://doisinkidney.com/posts/2020-10-17-ski.html literally the only article I have found on a BCKW formulation without that first parameter. < 1620015839 130918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you suggesting for the non-x versions? < 1620015852 567397 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :just omitting the `x` like the article. < 1620015863 493085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see, you were actually thinking of using M instead of W. < 1620015865 273883 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I don't know why `Axy -> y`. < 1620015888 56398 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm missing something but the equivalent should be, what, `Axy -> x`? < 1620015897 516223 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs. < 1620015910 11662 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe just... `Ax -> ` < 1620015922 707866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what that latter one means. < 1620015928 406540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I think of these functions as trying to accomplish a specific goal, I guess. < 1620015946 553167 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter one is "A applied to some x deletes x." < 1620015950 428982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corresponding to things you can do in logic. < 1620015959 103440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is A a function here, or what? < 1620015964 74603 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplication, argument reordering (swapping, in this case), deletion, and composition. < 1620015967 143399 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is a combinator. < 1620015991 694480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a combinator in this context? Not a thing you can write as a lambda term? < 1620015995 619175 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :as shown in the article. don't know why it's Axy -> y and not Ax -> :nil:. < 1620016002 256746 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :combinator as in the combinatory calculus. < 1620016015 218131 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :combinatory logic. < 1620016089 367333 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620016103 479656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what this is in this usage. Some sort of rewriting system? < 1620016492 747925 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably due to the structure is why it is not "Ax -> :nil:" I suppose < 1620016560 332198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, maybe looking at the types explains why I think these are more natural. < 1620016582 363046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :w : (a -> a -> b) -> (a -> b) < 1620016594 851471 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised you've not heard of combinatory logic before, shachaf. < 1620016598 381209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :const : b -> (a -> b) < 1620016629 112262 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't read intuition behind type signatures. < 1620016629 413885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of combinatory logic. But not in a context that allows "Ax -> ". < 1620016643 353970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, M doesn't even have a type, is one argument against it. < 1620016673 836355 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think types dictate the intutition or requirements behind these. < 1620016695 118325 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, what do I know. < 1620016977 448265 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620017120 975682 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the Magic: the Gathering card that I had made up? {?} Instant ;; Two target permanents copy each other. Exchange control of those permanents. It doesn't seems like much, but actually there is a lot of things that it can do. < 1620017659 943053 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :re BCKW, ideally https://esolangs.org/wiki/Combinatory_logic#BCKW_calculus should tell how to translate lambda calculus to BCKW directly, rather than just the more opaque equivalence with SKI. the direct translation gives an intuition of why BCKW is convenient. I only realized that after thinking about Amicus, which has a built-in B combinator < 1620017821 313474 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it probably makes more sense with multi-variable functions like Amicus and FP have < 1620020269 531076 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620021375 419276 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-snhwmajxzbdruiic QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1620022243 998696 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Grain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82579&oldid=82078 5* 03Ais523 5* (-10) 10per policy, make sure that the User: prefix on links to userspace is visilbe < 1620024076 523933 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1620024183 107278 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NDBall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82580&oldid=82563 5* 03Aspwil 5* (+42) 10/* Truth machine */ > 1620028187 683582 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:SunnyMoon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82581&oldid=77359 5* 03TwilightSparkle 5* (+139) 10 < 1620029246 750892 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1620029373 800470 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620030430 653377 :LKoen!~LKoen@213.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620038889 770201 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-25-66.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1620041400 151471 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:SunnyMoon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82582&oldid=82581 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+154) 10Yay! < 1620041408 518800 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-25-66.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1620041888 16022 :LKoen!~LKoen@213.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620048624 788881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1620048892 345394 :LKoen!~LKoen@213.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620049965 692808 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620050049 869981 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN :#esoteric > 1620051645 680937 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07$tonePits14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82583&oldid=62875 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-17) 10little bit of cleanup < 1620051917 794071 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-25-66.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1620052308 371340 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07((?)?)?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82584&oldid=75488 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+0) 10Croup is a terrible disease > 1620052358 814310 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07((?)?)?14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82585&oldid=82584 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-1) 10Nice language by the way > 1620052451 751363 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07((?)?)?14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82586&oldid=82585 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+0) 10Casting spells never was such a good job < 1620052583 613071 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620053228 562174 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1620053232 786214 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1620053627 212282 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-25-66.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1620053889 19016 :LKoen!~LKoen@213.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. 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Digirule implementation. */ < 1620061004 337963 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-evatdfdmbvnxvhjg JOIN :#esoteric > 1620062292 197594 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07((?)?)?14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82591&oldid=82586 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+248) 10Spelling > 1620062692 236259 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07((?)?)?14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82592&oldid=82591 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-3) 10Well I am also bad at speling > 1620063071 129566 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Symbols14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82593&oldid=73082 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-10) 10It is preferred if you write this this way > 1620063187 283560 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Symbols14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82594 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+206) 10I know the creator probably will never come back > 1620063642 326717 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Backsharp14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82595&oldid=82430 5* 03Threesodas 5* (+3) 10/* IO functionality */ < 1620071601 966528 :LKoen!~LKoen@213.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1620071601 966585 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :*.net *.split < 1620071602 299054 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :*.net *.split < 1620071602 299101 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :*.net *.split < 1620071602 299113 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1620071602 856742 :mla!~mla@162.253.176.229 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1620071602 856911 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1620071705 895538 :LKoen!~LKoen@213.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620071706 8376 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1620071706 8415 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esoteric < 1620071706 8422 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1620071706 8440 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1620071706 8447 :mla!~mla@162.253.176.229 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620071706 8461 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620071717 647750 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1620071717 647806 :LKoen!~LKoen@213.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1620071747 580071 :LKoen!~LKoen@213.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620071877 704397 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esoteric < 1620073909 122459 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will fopencookie be standardized in future? I think that it is useful, and my own library for computing hashes uses it. int fosimp_hash_stream(int alg,FILE*echo,Fosimp_Hash*hash,FILE**fp); There is also the convenience function to wrap it: int fosimp_hash(int alg,const unsigned char*data,size_t len,Fosimp_Hash*hash); < 1620074718 197380 :LKoen!~LKoen@213.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” > 1620076422 368497 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:1hals/subleq.py14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82596 5* 031hals 5* (+2870) 10create > 1620076447 458687 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:1hals14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82597&oldid=81059 5* 031hals 5* (+42) 10 > 1620076989 871537 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Backwords14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82598&oldid=81456 5* 031hals 5* (-8) 10chainge intro paragraph wording > 1620077336 391995 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Backwords14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82599&oldid=82598 5* 031hals 5* (+99) 10/* Hello World */ add example < 1620077618 482167 :big_caballito!~bcbo@184.53.33.50 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620077782 928159 :big_caballito!~bcbo@184.53.33.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620079485 800601 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620079630 812461 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1620080428 904850 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620082454 568351 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620082489 727231 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs < 1620082505 418071 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the esolangs? < 1620082517 61210 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're esoteric < 1620082561 860603 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I hoped you would have some more comments than just that < 1620082581 190153 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1620082784 218385 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres an esolang for minecraft but not for roblox < 1620082796 658187 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as far as i know) < 1620082804 962275 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know how to invent one, you can try to do so. < 1620082812 247359 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not < 1620082829 49736 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1620082904 853750 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620084352 620801 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620084608 702406 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620085979 897633 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 JOIN :#esoteric > 1620086334 279576 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Symbols14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82600&oldid=82594 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+203) 10Reply < 1620086578 15094 :a1234a!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620086616 48731 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1620086642 412326 :a1234a!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1620086666 571075 :a1234a!62dcfc03@98.220.252.3 QUIT :Client Quit < 1620086680 720487 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1620086983 781363 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1620088043 115803 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-evatdfdmbvnxvhjg QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1620088988 865214 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way in C to count the number of arguments that a macro has been called with? There are variable argument macros, but I don't know if it has a command to tell you how many. > 1620089436 208854 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Trump bot 2 5* 10New user account > 1620089474 594031 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82601&oldid=82575 5* 03Trump bot 2 5* (+119) 10/* Introductions */ < 1620089930 419656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't. You can write an argument-counting macro up to some small number of arguments in O(n) amount of code with relative ease, or one that works for pretty much arbitrary (though not quite) amount of arguments with a lot more work. < 1620089956 583693 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I am using the GNU extensions (in case that helps at all). < 1620090078 485444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://ideone.com/rZZlLo is what the easy-but-not-really-feasible-for-that-many-arguments solution looks like. < 1620090234 983338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for a version that works for essentially any number of arguments, I've only done it on top of https://github.com/rofl0r/order-pp which is cheating. < 1620090676 965358 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1620091220 320080 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zzsxuiyavclioktm JOIN :#esoteric > 1620092653 81769 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Trump bot 2 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Hello world QR code.png10]]": Hello world QR code > 1620092971 971003 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82603&oldid=82369 5* 03Trump bot 2 5* (+51) 10/* QR code */ > 1620093890 644891 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Trump bot 2 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Hello world bar code.png10]]": Hello world bar code > 1620093960 224262 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82605&oldid=82603 5* 03Trump bot 2 5* (+52) 10/* Bar code */ < 1620094299 800276 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620095376 440446 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620096109 781222 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1620096129 781720 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620096623 396334 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have nothing interesting to say thus: a < 1620096627 240302 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: let me look that up... < 1620096673 291896 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: or better, just give you pointers. https://gustedt.gitlabpages.inria.fr/p99/ and https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_76_0/libs/preprocessor/doc/index.html are where you want to look for such tricks < 1620096736 676388 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://gustedt.gitlabpages.inria.fr/p99/p99-html/group__basic__list__operations_ga36a4ab24ad412a94da4c5aad433d6cd3.html#ga36a4ab24ad412a94da4c5aad433d6cd3 says "Return the length of the variable length argument list […] This supposes that the length of the list is less than P99_MAX_NUMBER." < 1620096745 948843 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think what fizzie says is right < 1620096777 963947 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the multinational league for esoteric programming proliferation, protection, and protestation! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/log/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D https://github.com/kspalaiologos/esologs/ < 1620096932 909186 :Itzzy!~Itzz@98.220.252.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620096943 300274 :Itzzy!~Itzz@98.220.252.3 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1620097084 785236 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:7025:9a1:7a52:3a35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1620097225 916892 :Itzzy!~Itzz@98.220.252.3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1620103043 156261 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zzsxuiyavclioktm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1620109110 425093 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Trump Bot/List of xkcd articles14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82606&oldid=81319 5* 03Trump bot 2 5* (+129) 10 > 1620109767 992948 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SemicolonHash14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82607 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+1018) 10Created page with "''';#''' (SemicolonHash) is a programming language created by PPCG user ''caird coinheringaahing''. It has only two commands: ; - add one to the accumulator, and..." > 1620109791 791163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SemicolonHash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82608&oldid=82607 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+2) 10 > 1620109855 336062 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SemicolonHash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82609&oldid=82608 5* 03Palaiologos 5* (+1) 10reference => external resource < 1620109884 952486 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620110323 558760 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620110872 953222 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620111151 687395 :les-citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bee < 1620111176 913174 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620111473 976841 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should finish my openscad quine < 1620111494 605432 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the best presentation for a quine source code as a 3d object? < 1620111626 369526 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you think of openscad? < 1620111984 61794 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, you mentioned that last month and the month before < 1620112070 100826 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi b_jonas < 1620112072 352191 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: best representation is probably two stone tablets with the source code engraved onto them < 1620112084 134028 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you later have to break them in anger < 1620112102 706367 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternately accidentally drop one, in the pastafarian tradition < 1620112218 948906 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and add a carved wooden likeness of the master that you have accidentally killed in anger as a payload for repentence < 1620112237 156566 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with comments suggesting that the city will not fall while the likeness is there < 1620112389 539132 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it would be nice, to give my heart to a god, but which one, which one do i choose < 1620112435 870157 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the rest are just facets of the one so it doesn't really matter < 1620112441 756242 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or misinterpretations of the one, possibly < 1620112447 370366 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heretic misinterpretations < 1620112454 789651 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but misinterpretations of the same god nonetheless < 1620112483 200193 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :why of course i know god... he's me < 1620113187 528214 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can argue (and I will argue, because I'm a contrarian SOB) that vacuum tubes were a more consequential invention than transistors. Vacuum tubes gave us practical radio, television, long-distance telephones, digital and analog computers, radar, and rock and roll. True, transistors and ICs made all of these things a lot cheaper, smaller, and better, which opened up new applications. Without < 1620113193 377958 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :transistors we wouldn't have the Internet. But we would still have consumer electronics, electronic mass media, electronic communications, electronic warfare, electronic music, and at least some level of computing. < 1620113376 225602 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOGBANK is aerogel! god is that obvious < 1620113538 359975 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :your tax dollars at work < 1620113556 138205 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :styrofoam should be just about as good < 1620113566 763192 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :foamed polystyrene. < 1620113591 196745 :les-citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOGBANK consists of bee < 1620113775 399814 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see through walls < 1620113780 29825 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :using linear algebra < 1620113902 997378 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :even without transistors I can imagine reaching by 2020 a roughly 1980s level of technology, tube based SAGE style consoles in your home, connected by modem to timesharing systems < 1620113933 530938 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough to destroy the world ten times over and save it too, and what more do you want? < 1620114039 558199 :les-citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with vaccum tubes? I doubt it. < 1620114381 648751 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think i can build a bell 103 modem with tubes < 1620114396 482397 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :be the freak you wanna see < 1620114402 368156 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.179 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620114453 491860 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620114556 700340 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :the charactron... > 1620114632 729173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Trump Bot/List of xkcd articles14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82610&oldid=82606 5* 03Trump bot 2 5* (+226) 10 < 1620114694 115525 :les-citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be wholly impractical to have household products with 10s of thousands of vacuum tubes in them < 1620114922 567697 :user2153[m]!user2153ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-yrkrcyigahunvcus JOIN :#esoteric < 1620114930 216969 :les-citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, I suppose a modem might be simpler than that. however, I doubt that any vacuum tube computer could ever scale to simultaneously serve many concurrent users < 1620115088 294995 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I have not used openscad and have not looked at the instructions very much either < 1620115651 627885 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :reagan dons lithium packs bright mexico's saturday / sanda crew peers from beyond the berm < 1620115662 745525 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shield for the gipper as he melts foe red and blue < 1620115821 729419 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620116051 791746 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1620116823 216769 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :swept by heavy metal, swine's song overhead < 1620116825 342426 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrrrrrrrrt < 1620116968 627801 :user2153[m]!user2153ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-yrkrcyigahunvcus PART #esoteric :"User left" < 1620124504 848754 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620124612 976590 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620127155 793553 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1620127599 270018 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1620132174 576065 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620134034 379951 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: as for vacuum tubes, I recently learned from a video game that "thermionic tube" is an alternate name for vacuum tubes, or at least some types of them. that name sounds quite sci-fi style and so fits the genre, but I was confused about the actual flavor for the mechanics until I realized what it meant > 1620134121 399665 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Symbols14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82611&oldid=82593 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+21) 10Finally, some non BF-like loops > 1620134331 557679 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Symbols14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82612&oldid=82611 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+26) 10/* Instruction Set */ Good thing there's an interpreter... > 1620134456 526394 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82613&oldid=82605 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+1552) 10Probably should add these too > 1620134491 17624 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82614&oldid=82613 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+8) 10Oh no > 1620134571 94315 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Newton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82615&oldid=42777 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+99) 10Fix apparent typo, cats < 1620137525 985531 :les-citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thermionic valve < 1620138449 910074 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620138639 549382 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620138648 218361 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tchfsqhddnixslwt JOIN :#esoteric < 1620139729 959133 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620140431 578512 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620142220 845255 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1620143352 304754 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Circuitrite14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82616&oldid=46985 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+2128) 10Move data here, as Moon allowed < 1620146120 625482 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620146753 280560 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :les-citrons: no, it's called "Thermionic tube" in game < 1620150250 214750 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:e020:7b7f:8fac:ec8b JOIN :#esoteric < 1620150823 925907 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:e020:7b7f:8fac:ec8b QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620150844 216731 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:e020:7b7f:8fac:ec8b JOIN :#esoteric > 1620151151 876330 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* 10New user account < 1620151197 993909 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lpdfvidezuyglzxe QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1620151314 216268 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq JOIN :#esoteric < 1620151778 196792 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa JOIN :#esoteric < 1620151979 215638 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:e020:7b7f:8fac:ec8b QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1620152083 105710 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a 2D sandbox game, but it needs to be turing complete like minecraft. Any suggestions for a very small language I could put into it? < 1620152089 561723 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tile-based < 1620152107 708362 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth? < 1620152149 841412 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :there can't be global state or things like that, and it's on a fantasy console so there is a limited amount of state I can store on one tile < 1620152186 729566 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm considering something like wireworld (cellular automaton) < 1620152228 385074 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:1446:379e:6df:3c56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620152270 298325 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :wireworld would be best. < 1620152283 410933 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting that you refer to it as a language instead of a cellular automaton. < 1620152287 58791 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :source and videos available if it helps (you to answer my question for free :P) < 1620152300 373333 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on a fantasy console? < 1620152302 412740 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :pico8? < 1620152326 268946 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :referred to it as a language because I haven't decided on a cellular automata yet < 1620152338 743107 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :tic-80 github.com/nesbox/tic-80 < 1620152346 295852 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:1446:379e:6df:3c56 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tic-80 yooo < 1620152353 555064 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat. < 1620152410 482089 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :one problem I can see for wireworld is that useful things take lots of space :/ < 1620152482 589049 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wezl: does it really have to be Turing-complete, or just make practical computations possible? are you severely limited in the ROM, or only the RAM and CPU power? < 1620152511 11813 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're not limited much in the ROM, then I recommend you add a large language, with lots of different primitives that you can build, though each should be easy to compute < 1620152518 152482 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than a very small language < 1620152552 222259 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, consoles are typically heavily limited in CPU power, so global state and global instruction pointer might work better than a cellular automaton < 1620152570 109498 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :limited to 256x256 tiles and 256 possible states for each tile (preferably using only a few of thos) < 1620152574 135075 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a cellular automaton you may have to update a significant portions of cells all over the map < 1620152586 128024 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1620152593 238046 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might instead want to do something where only some sprites (not necessarily displayed sprites, but something limited in numbers) can update stuff around them < 1620152620 117308 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :these can be stationary buildings of course < 1620152629 730987 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the point is, you shouldn't allow to have too many of them active < 1620152638 743350 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you want to iterate through all 256x256 tiles every frame < 1620152681 378956 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might also be marked on the map of course, but the point is that you shouldn't want to iterate over a map < 1620152684 988212 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finally begins to see clearly < 1620152694 608934 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know this particular console that you refer to, so it might differ < 1620152793 938918 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also recomment lots of builtins, because ROM is often cheap and dispatching on a jump table in ROM is also cheap < 1620152882 74124 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://codeberg.org/Wezl/games/src/branch/main/sandpile0.1-demo.webm < 1620152891 398495 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what the gameplay looks like < 1620152938 877461 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be really like a normal programming language because commands should be able to be placed like blocks < 1620153172 66326 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wezl: one thing you could do is allow a limited amount of buildings that are updated every frame, so you store extra information to them outside the map too, have directional wires between them, and for every building, precompute what it's connected to by the wires after the user builds wires, so you don't have to scan the whole map each frame. it's not perfect because it can cause slow updates when the < 1620153178 91558 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :user builds stuff, but in practice it tends to work. < 1620153187 503573 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that also lets you keep more state for these buildings than typical map cells have < 1620153243 427094 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no monsters or anything moving except the player so I think I'll only update things when the player moves < 1620153288 205124 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said "Turing-complete" earlier though < 1620153292 665901 :gurmble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble JOIN :#esoteric < 1620153305 279744 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble NICK :Guest31287 < 1620153305 600398 :Guest31287!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Killed (card.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)) < 1620153305 600442 :gurmble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble NICK :grumble < 1620153309 827967 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing complete if the player keeps moving :P < 1620153346 469383 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want the player to accidentally freeze everything (although running every frame would also fix that) < 1620153349 758422 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you want a grindy game where the player needs a turbo controller to win? < 1620153385 255669 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the point of only computing something when the player moves < 1620153424 246110 :xelxebar_!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620153427 816019 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no, they can already win without computing anything :) < 1620153443 766737 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1620153535 380111 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you're compromising for the sake or marketing and making the game accessible to non-programmers. I hate how everyone does that. tons of videos that try to explain programming stuff as if the viewers were absolute dummies, not enoguh material that explain stuff assuming you do understand some programming but are interested about a particular topics. < 1620153540 785912 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an article complaining about that. < 1620153570 74778 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm compromising for the sake of easy-to-make < 1620153684 202850 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also make some buildings larger than one tile, to ensure there's a place to store more state directly in the map for buildings of which you want to allow a large number < 1620153698 970025 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't solve the CPU problem really, only the RAM problem < 1620153720 228706 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, sadly, it's mostly useful for things like wires that you don't want to recompute per frame, but it's inconvenient to make wires large < 1620153733 552851 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is a really bad motivation and what's the point really and no I don't actually need to make my game programmable and no I didn't plan ahead but ... handwave) < 1620153794 444894 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fine, in the worst case your next game will be better < 1620153799 268965 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how everyone learns < 1620154048 108821 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know a good system for how wires should work anyway < 1620154067 89764 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps no wires might work better < 1620154201 90729 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... do something where only some sprites (not necessarily displayed sprites, but something limited in numbers) can update stuff around them < 1620154209 218331 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good idea < 1620154244 12927 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out a way that could work with the in-game system < 1620154324 53728 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far, a tile has a height and a type (water, sand, snow) < 1620154440 11653 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an item or button, a tile can be transformed from a material to a corresponding machine. When you bump against this (or use a machine that powers all the machines around it?), it takes its input as the height of the tile to one side and outputs on the other side < 1620154588 453577 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pretends it's still related to esolangs < 1620154655 261573 :dingwat!uid70835@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ntuhohdekeeeordz QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1620154672 698504 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620154874 647749 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1620154879 692626 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1620155799 918810 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82617&oldid=82614 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+508) 10This too < 1620157747 329884 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620158063 556411 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620158471 425218 :user3456!user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-xzaecuahctroylwr QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1620158567 376190 :user3456!~user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-wszzibadwugzttzn JOIN :#esoteric < 1620160459 866902 :ItzzMe!~Itzz@2601:249:c080:7c30:1446:379e:6df:3c56 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1620162378 211064 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1620162916 171418 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zero player rodent14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82618&oldid=82355 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (-1) 10 < 1620164747 551360 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620164862 135098 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today is first time since I got a computer with Linux (which was many years ago) that I made a new Hero Hearts level, and this time, I am no longer limited to 256 classes, 512 images, 609 grid cells, etc. > 1620165376 540784 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Skinny pig14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82619 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+2616) 10Created page with "Skinny pig is an [[esoteric programming language]] specifically designed to be used by skinny pigs or guinea pigs. The guinea pig will "write" the program by doing the things..." > 1620165408 543195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zero player rodent14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82620&oldid=82618 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+18) 10 < 1620170093 127943 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1620171056 61183 :harha_!~harha@ns356919.ip-91-121-144.eu QUIT :Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in < 1620171095 280670 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1620171286 355066 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1620171305 274278 :harha_!~harha@ns356919.ip-91-121-144.eu JOIN :#esoteric > 1620171584 761369 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82621&oldid=82571 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+17) 10/* S */ Skinny pig < 1620171941 902485 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620174131 843754 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What quirk of DNS allows choosemyhat.com to be legitimate but www.choosemyhat.com to be cybersquatted? Also pinging... where's Gregor? < 1620174168 961911 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait I guess that's not cybersquatting. It just... looks it? < 1620174196 20540 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could have sworn I've seen websites where one of them was squatted by a spammer and the other wasn't < 1620174199 217519 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither of those domains exist < 1620174213 554083 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I have a typo? < 1620174213 881580 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh...? < 1620174238 865659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :choosemyhat.com -> 71.19.155.102, www.choosemyhat.com -> 109.68.33.18. < 1620174241 551185 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bad, I omitted the final 'm'. < 1620174246 608360 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah same here. < 1620174294 384898 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why wouldn't they be configured to the same address? I ... doubt Gregor would have pointed the latter away from his site? < 1620174314 923646 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FAQ links to the www version < 1620174338 127419 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well obviously there's nothing that says that www.foo.bar. has to be the same as foo.bar. < 1620174375 522073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :71.19.155.102 reverse-resolves into libdl.so (which I think is Gregor's as well), the other one doesn't to anything. < 1620174417 5639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as DNS quirks go, the thing that's called the zone apex (e.g., choosemyhat.com) is a *little* bit special, at least in the sense that you can't delegate it to a CDN with a CNAME. < 1620174443 878701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a proposed HTTPS record type that solves that issue as one of its side effects. < 1620174493 493019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-https/ < 1620174618 792404 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well, bu the looks of it it is the registrar of the domain, not a squatter... I guess they add a default www. entry when a domain is registered? < 1620174679 211849 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they have a cheap option where that entry is mandatory ;) < 1620175096 93197 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: anyway, switching registrars seems the most likely cause here, to me. Note that codu.org (which just forwards to Gregor's github) is similarly afflicted. < 1620175123 168585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's just a creative way to follow the no-www.org philosophy. < 1620175158 996363 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1620175161 68789 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One reason why you might want a different address for "www" or not is in case there are reasons why they have to be different computers at different locations which are managed separately, although these days I would think to manage the computers together in one place, and use a router to switch them depending on the port numbers. < 1620175162 511546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leave the `www.` prefix to point at a macabre ad-riddled page people would rather not see, to condition them to start omitting the www. < 1620175344 468373 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't use multiple domain names; I think just one is good enough for me. If I thought that I later needed to split the services across a computer that is somewhere else, then I might want to set up a separate domain name for it, in order that it can be easily changed, even if the address is initially the same.) < 1620175607 619573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One setup that I think is semi-typical is to have `www.example.com` be a CNAME to something like `www.example.com.cdn.cloudflare.net`, so that example.com's authoritative DNS can be managed outside Cloudflare's name servers, but still let their CDN do the things they need to do to serve the content. But in that case you must point the root example.com name to something else, because it can't be a CNAME, < 1620175613 675918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :as discussed. < 1620175648 883234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, at least from where I'm looking, www.mozilla.com is a CNAME to prod.refractr.mozit.cloud (which resolves to a couple A records), but plain mozilla.com by necessity just has those A records plus the other things (SOA, NS, TXT, MX, ...) you need at the root of a zone. < 1620175832 679190 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely that rule is artificial as the now-relaxed rules that a CNAME cannot point to another CNAME < 1620175848 455411 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/art/as art/ < 1620175896 813216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe. But maybe not. < 1620175897 814677 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AIUI, it is now okay to have two indirections, and the reason for that is the energence of CDNs) < 1620175950 620331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, CNAME is intended to alias the *entire* name, not just some records. But the root of the zone really kind of must have the SOA and NS records. < 1620175970 300504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's definitely "less artificial" than the CNAME-to-CNAME rule. < 1620175975 493048 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. yeah that's a good point. > 1620175999 866711 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dance machine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82622 5* 03Trump bot 2 5* (+262) 10Created page with "''The title of this article is incorrect due to technical limitations. The correct title is still to be determined.'' This is a language based on choreography. The source code..." < 1620176097 803477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could maybe have the thing you point the CNAME at contain those other zone-related records, but I guess you usually wouldn't want to delegate those, you'd just want to delegate the "host" properties. < 1620176156 366128 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you're right, I didn't take SOA into account when I called that rule artificial < 1620176173 577410 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor NS < 1620176212 265411 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the other two you mentioned, though I'm less sure why they couldn't be delegated in principle) < 1620176393 334992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine they *could*, it's just that quite plausibly you might want to keep them separate. If you're really just interested in delegating A/AAAA of example.com for the purposes of HTTP(S) and maybe some other protocols, you wouldn't necessarily want to have to manage the email configuration of that zone through the DNS servers of wherever you're delegating to. < 1620176530 384711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had a proposal specifically for that (ANAME), but I feel like that maybe isn't really going anywhere: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-aname/ < 1620176535 226161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, listed as expired. < 1620176555 664953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANAME was supposed to be "like CNAME except only for address queries". < 1620176692 486988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine people must probably have also been fixing it on the DNS serving side, by making tools that let you say "automatically copy A/AAAA records from this address and serve them here". < 1620176727 859430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess that's actually part of that ANAME proposal? < 1620176817 901151 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Implementation status"... sounds like it. < 1620176935 753602 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh also part of the spec, yeah. I guess that's important because otherwise there's no way this would work in practice with existing software. < 1620177049 579533 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which maybe explains why this isn't going anywhere; at that point it's basically just a cosmetic change for a solved problem. (We can delegate A/AAAA records on the DNS server side; an ANAME record would just serve to make this fact transparent to other parties.) > 1620179660 924069 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:New Army14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82623 5* 03Trump bot 2 5* (+66) 10Created page with "Please remember mai foan: ait ait ait ait nin to ait cevn fiv cevn" < 1620184738 987917 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tchfsqhddnixslwt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1620185774 92531 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1620186933 697365 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620187054 229103 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, I'm getting academic spam saying "Dear Colleage" instead of "Dear Professor". what happened to calling everyone a professor regardless of who they actually are? < 1620187070 747707 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1620188471 927914 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1620189448 660433 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe because now they are trying to write to someone who is not a professor, or maybe the recipient told them that they are not a professor so they changed it so that it doesn't say professor < 1620192784 432513 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric > 1620195427 234457 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Trump Bot/List of xkcd articles14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82624&oldid=82610 5* 03Trump bot 2 5* (+56) 10 < 1620196872 939470 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620197646 50270 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1620198336 960926 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:New Army14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82625&oldid=82623 5* 03Trump bot 2 5* (+75) 10 > 1620198412 923386 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:New Army14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82626&oldid=82625 5* 03Trump bot 2 5* (+56) 10 < 1620202197 707336 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620202338 760058 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1620203185 560130 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620206234 979845 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620210019 229760 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620210366 738548 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1620211983 936680 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82627&oldid=82468 5* 03RetroPain 5* (-12) 10 > 1620212071 359697 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82628&oldid=82627 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+40) 10/* Some other facts */ < 1620212760 601854 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 JOIN :#esoteric > 1620213010 522971 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82629&oldid=82337 5* 03RXVT100 5* (-2189) 10/* Testing */ > 1620213022 371654 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82630&oldid=82629 5* 03RXVT100 5* (-1181) 10/* Konfyne */ > 1620213032 282174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82631&oldid=82630 5* 03RXVT100 5* (-2591) 10/* kcufniarB */ > 1620213040 601475 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82632&oldid=82631 5* 03RXVT100 5* (-6299) 10/* Stackomp */ > 1620213051 831589 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82633&oldid=82632 5* 03RXVT100 5* (-28471) 10/* Ini */ > 1620213061 306598 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82634&oldid=82633 5* 03RXVT100 5* (-278) 10/* Bad title */ < 1620213219 697382 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.179 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1620213386 306106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82635&oldid=82634 5* 03RXVT100 5* (+1145) 10 > 1620214184 750596 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82636&oldid=70195 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10cat > 1620221084 58201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Countdown14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82637&oldid=54267 5* 03Angel 5* (+24) 10 < 1620221798 609547 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@46-133-120-123.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620225751 642647 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( Philosophical question: Can there be vandalism on a sandbox page? ) < 1620225928 727074 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would Esolang_talk:Sandbox be in the Language category?! < 1620225945 993476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Languages.[1~Err, < 1620225971 193477 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a talk page for the sandbox page, right, rather than the talk page? < 1620225994 727604 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which _definitely_ should't be in the Languages category > 1620226017 519308 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82638&oldid=82636 5* 03Int-e 5* (-24) 10Undo revision 82636 by [[Special:Contributions/PythonshellDebugwindow|PythonshellDebugwindow]] ([[User talk:PythonshellDebugwindow|talk]]) --This is not a language; I don't see how the category makes any sense here. > 1620226017 627826 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Defunc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82639&oldid=80906 5* 03Obvious 5* (+770) 10Addition about turing completeness (yay!) < 1620226041 946750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I'm semi-surprised putting a category tag on a talk page even works, but apparently it does. < 1620226075 973864 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620226083 380939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Esolang talk:Sandbox" showed up under S in the Category:Languages index.) < 1620226101 281888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's gone now, of course.) < 1620226276 752164 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also dismayed to see that Trump bot has returned as Trump bot 2... I'm kind of worried whether https://esolangs.org/wiki/File:Hello_world_QR_code.png really says "Hello, world!" < 1620226369 175305 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be the literal text "Hello, world!" < 1620226378 644484 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The obvious shenanigans are on https://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:New_Army of course. < 1620226393 251933 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: thanks < 1620226395 218934 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced that QR codes count as esolangs < 1620226401 858628 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's a separate issue < 1620226428 504486 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but I was more worried about the text being something entirely different. And I have no convenient QR scanner at hand. < 1620226441 774620 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed one the other day, by coincidence < 1620226643 124399 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? password < 1620226646 148229 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :The password of the month is hiding in plain sight. < 1620226987 314448 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh it's been a while since a brainfuck derivative made me chuckle: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Consequential < 1620227894 899594 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@46-133-120-123.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1620228648 856514 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1620229702 762815 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A345120268A914]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82640 5* 03RXVT100 5* (+2289) 10Created page with "'''A345120268A9''' is a tape-based language based off of [[brainfuck]] & designed by [[User:RXVT100]] ==Syntax== A345120268A9 has 13 commands, 12 not including np (NOP) eve..." > 1620229893 463557 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Swordfish14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82641&oldid=37091 5* 03RXVT100 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */ > 1620230036 102673 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:RXVT10014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82642&oldid=82577 5* 03RXVT100 5* (-369) 10Replaced content with "created [[A345120268A9]]" > 1620230073 840953 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A345120268A914]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82643&oldid=82640 5* 03RXVT100 5* (+0) 10/* Syntax */ > 1620231908 514453 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Chem14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82644&oldid=78746 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-13) 10Remove redundant forcetoc < 1620233583 845317 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620234642 525806 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620234670 758550 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1620236674 480939 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DFA-er14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82645&oldid=82164 5* 03Largejamie 5* (+676) 10/* Examples */ < 1620237366 670045 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620237872 87363 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1620238807 765734 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82646&oldid=82638 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+9) 10Fine, fine... > 1620238809 888425 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07202014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82647&oldid=82527 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+75) 10added <=> < 1620241877 967773 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :QR codes are not esolangs or a programming language at all it is a kind of 2D barcodes. < 1620241974 167542 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, some esolangs may produce code short enough to encode on a QR code.) < 1620243286 555087 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time i gave my friend a birthday card that included a full x86 linux executable as a QR code > 1620243422 581945 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:SunnyMoon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82648&oldid=77985 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-785) 10Useless update < 1620244548 206226 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What program is that? < 1620244567 57134 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat. < 1620244619 340942 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620244625 754444 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a little toy that rendered a colorful animation in the terminal < 1620244638 450513 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would respond to mouse movements using the terminal control codes for those < 1620244685 19200 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used some of the usual tricks to make it a small and self-contained binary (static, no libc, custom ELF header) < 1620244761 550024 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :how large was it? < 1620244814 410220 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall exactly < 1620244833 132236 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :few hundred bytes probably < 1620245017 844486 :xelxebar_!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1620245037 791770 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620245149 680800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get up to 2953 bytes in a single (40-L) code. I had the occasion to look these up recently, was planning to back up some binary data on paper. < 1620245583 787853 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you also include the file name and hash as text on the page heading above the QR codes? Also, how many pages do you need? < 1620245830 967922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just some keys. I think it would be just one page. I haven't got around to actually doing it yet. But printing a hash might be a good idea too. < 1620246312 889525 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT : < 1620247422 754971 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620247483 390559 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620247848 278251 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xdfnhccwmydbykch JOIN :#esoteric < 1620248064 604618 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620248329 557855 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620248532 82839 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620248659 892649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620248683 185465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see there's been talk about the Trump Bot user < 1620248696 561942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was worthwhile to come here to chat to the other esolangs.org admins to see what to do < 1620248826 960262 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the Trump Bot doing? < 1620248865 285457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a troll targeting esolangs.org < 1620248880 477755 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :ban. :P < 1620248903 378980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we banned them already < 1620248906 121582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they made a new account < 1620248913 635208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to ban the new one too I think < 1620248971 586722 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just replacing stuff with trump? > 1620249020 485490 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10blocked [[02User:Trump bot 210]] with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page): Abusing multiple accounts: already banned under another account < 1620249035 773738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, mostly talkpage trolling > 1620249116 71407 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02File:Hello world QR code.png10]]": created by blocked user while circumventing the block > 1620249133 433792 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02File:Hello world bar code.png10]]": created by blocked user while circumventing the block > 1620249151 142049 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82649&oldid=82617 5* 03Ais523 5* (-51) 10Undo revision 82603 by [[Special:Contributions/Trump bot 2|Trump bot 2]] ([[User talk:Trump bot 2|talk]]): blocked user circumventing block > 1620249168 888277 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82650&oldid=82649 5* 03Ais523 5* (-52) 10Undo revision 82605 by [[Special:Contributions/Trump bot 2|Trump bot 2]] ([[User talk:Trump bot 2|talk]]): blocked user circumventing block > 1620249189 620106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02User:Trump Bot/List of xkcd articles10]]": userpage of indefinitely blocked user > 1620249197 799312 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02User talk:New Army10]]": created by blocked user while circumventing the block < 1620249203 26537 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao, aight. > 1620249212 390220 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Dance machine10]]": created by blocked user while circumventing the block < 1620249648 245202 :grimler32!~grimler67@pool-108-49-215-20.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620249694 905074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for categorising talk pages: you can do that and it's even useful sometimse < 1620249715 964298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia categorises talk pages to say which wikiprojects work on the corresponding articles, for example < 1620250502 740136 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620252405 908056 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620254311 355980 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620254343 766548 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620254966 540028 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620255517 532560 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620256779 939372 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620257033 48318 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620257671 919131 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620257958 902575 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1620258447 420328 :user3456!~user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-wszzibadwugzttzn QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1620258464 600998 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Skinny pig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82651&oldid=82619 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+143) 10 < 1620259166 180527 :user3456!user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-csqkewytzwifjdsp JOIN :#esoteric > 1620259281 261615 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Skinny pig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82652&oldid=82651 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+234) 10 > 1620259492 3109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Skinny pig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82653&oldid=82652 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+98) 10 < 1620259722 589809 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620260080 490511 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1620260925 858483 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620261211 910973 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1620262949 788503 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had recently read some of the NeWS documentation. There are a few good ideas (such as append to concatenate strings/arrays and arrayop which is similar to zipWith in Haskell, if I remember properly what I read about NeWS), although some things can already be done better in standard PostScript (maybe NeWS is too old?), some are probably not needed or done badly, some things are missing, etc. < 1620263013 54476 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know? < 1620263750 591827 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1620263761 997001 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620264157 532447 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620264449 590793 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620265968 192322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1620265968 192384 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :*.net *.split < 1620265968 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989173 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/ansible.staff.relrod JOIN :#esoteric > 1620266218 606640 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Duocentehexaquinquagesimal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82654&oldid=82212 5* 03Makonede 5* (-4) 10 < 1620266555 604554 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1620266777 175646 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82655&oldid=82505 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+329) 10 < 1620267414 979336 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1620267449 290706 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82656&oldid=82655 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+402) 10You can put emoticons outside the edit summary like this) :- > 1620267763 75627 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82657&oldid=82656 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+73) 10Have a good day /* ) */- < 1620267853 76485 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1620268776 202059 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82658&oldid=82635 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+214) 10 > 1620269101 91655 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82659&oldid=82658 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+189) 10 > 1620269461 80070 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82660&oldid=82659 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+448) 10 < 1620269489 352276 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620269741 826003 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1620269750 627337 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82661&oldid=82660 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+120) 10 < 1620270261 119571 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xdfnhccwmydbykch QUIT 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02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82665&oldid=82664 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+504) 10oNE MORER < 1620288597 712750 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620288733 306806 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620288735 730440 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1620289144 335275 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82666&oldid=82665 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+508) 10More codes < 1620289424 998609 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1620289584 22857 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82667&oldid=82666 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+12) 10 > 1620289983 290809 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82668&oldid=82667 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+174) 10 > 1620290330 663868 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82669&oldid=82668 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+499) 10 < 1620290702 818457 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1620290898 297233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Help, WarDoq!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82670&oldid=73598 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+149) 10Please check if I ruined anything. If yes, please fix it. > 1620291158 277746 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82671&oldid=82669 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+286) 10 < 1620291709 632177 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620292121 531859 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1620292320 28524 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620292459 867781 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620292623 561478 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Client Quit > 1620292793 11331 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82672&oldid=82650 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+2602) 10/* A.R.T.I.C.L.E. */ > 1620292833 418415 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82673&oldid=82671 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+623) 10 < 1620293729 19279 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-voshajhdnknewmjf JOIN :#esoteric < 1620299596 852885 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620301066 337006 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620301870 933267 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620302105 695276 :S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-voshajhdnknewmjf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1620303594 896581 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Help, WarDoq!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82674&oldid=82670 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-28) 10/* Language Overview */ Why is citation needed? > 1620303897 712109 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Hello14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82675&oldid=73519 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+143) 10/* Interpreter */ Quinepreter < 1620304835 828045 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1620305244 611587 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620305551 578301 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1620306302 681194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Forest14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82676&oldid=81803 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-1) 10/* Syntax */ fix typo < 1620306633 46600 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1620306694 185089 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Asm2bf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82677&oldid=82111 5* 03Sech1p 5* (+844) 10v1.5.4a < 1620306764 236440 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1620307426 301133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Lisparser14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82678&oldid=79672 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (-4) 10/* Commands */ < 1620307587 979433 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620308326 680915 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620308445 118158 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1620308458 645761 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1620308630 863757 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620308827 158466 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620308838 840119 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620309277 998132 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :у / ý / ÿ / ŷ / ƴ / ȳ / ɏ / ỳ / ỹ / ỿ / ẏ / ẙ / ỵ / ỷ < 1620309699 732808 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ɏ < 1620309701 370715 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+024F LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH STROKE] < 1620309730 985209 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: of those, у is used in many languages, ý is Icelandic, ÿ is a very rare letter in French, ŷ and ỳ are rare and probably only exist in Welsh, three more occur in Vietnamese, the rest are ones I probably never expect to see in real life because I don't do linguistics research < 1620309751 93102 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jvobihoengxrpmye JOIN :#esoteric < 1620309872 269385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620310008 308610 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, "probably only exist in Welsh" is kind of misleading about Vietnamese letters < 1620310057 498552 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the U+024F is not in my font (still using the default X11 `fixed` font)) < 1620310111 590708 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: it might be one of those things used in some phonemic transcriptions by linguists, but not in written language < 1620310205 275783 :big_caballito!~bcbo@184.53.33.54 PART :#esoteric < 1620310239 718127 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it could be one of those that a linguist once used for a new writing system of an obscure african language < 1620310264 438591 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's in the pronunciation symbols block < 1620310325 895872 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the block with ɑəɛɥʃʒ < 1620310367 110554 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a font for these, there's always `? fonts < 1620310369 72777 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fonts < 1620310370 574881 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ < 1620310466 371846 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point I should update my font with more characters, not these obscure pronunciation symbols really but rather mathematical symbols, better looking greek, and basic support for Cyrillic < 1620310518 724778 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basic support means all letters in the modern Russian, Ukranian, Serbian Cyrillic, Macedonian, Bulgarian alphabets) < 1620310544 129606 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at some point I should finish the tiny (6 px tall) variable pitch font that I started < 1620310559 823513 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620311393 787285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620311466 874049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric > 1620311517 508392 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Help, WarDoq!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82679&oldid=82674 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1) 10tags fix < 1620311536 551798 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know we have multiple fonts < 1620311574 48365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is very much optimized for the rfk86 port, which is why the only implemented characters are U+0000..00ff, 2190..2193 (4 most basic arrows) and 2500..257f (block drawing). < 1620311638 81715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ÿ might theoretically exist in English but not be present in any words < 1620311751 919076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1620311752 174194 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oren's font is pretty advanced, i guess < 1620311757 25443 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: doesn't Asimov have a character named Noÿs in "End of Eternity"? < 1620311764 966904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620311768 174347 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, oren's font is the most complete among these, < 1620311778 918943 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though lifthrasiir's font comes second < 1620311779 220155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, and it's clear how it would be pronounced < 1620311797 400527 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that one ligature really a hth? < 1620311804 353242 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hillarious < 1620311814 5518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking for hyphenated words with a vowel before the hyphen and y afterwards, "one-year" seems to be the most common < 1620311843 576597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "oneÿear" would be much easier to read/pronounce than "oneyear" would be < 1620311885 829960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… we have some loanwords from Welsh where w is a vowel, so that might theoretically argue for the presence of a ẅ < 1620311902 497518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unidecode ẅ < 1620311903 410791 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[U+1E85 LATIN SMALL LETTER W WITH DIAERESIS] < 1620311916 974713 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://blog.asimovreviews.net/2015/11/04/so-how-do-you-pronounce-noys-anyway/ < 1620311961 897337 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I usually put hyphens in compound words that would be hard to read without, even when the hyphen is nonstandard. the most common such case is "szemetes-zsák", normally spelled without a hyphen but I find that ugly < 1620312024 150229 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use diaeresis for such in English (in French it's fine) < 1620312042 253536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use diaresis for it when I think I can get away with it, which is hardly ever < 1620312061 221758 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"preëmptive" used to be common in books, but isn't any more (it's usually spelled "pre-emptive" instead nowadays) < 1620312102 170577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, oddly, it isn't in the Google Ngrams data, I think they both got normalised to "preemptive" < 1620312103 882191 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least I don't use diaeresis in new words, and don't us diaeresis in words like cooperate or coordinate where the spelling without diaeresis is common too, < 1620312119 90653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "coöperate" is only seen in #esoteric < 1620312141 265967 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, it is only where I have seen such spelling < 1620312150 464107 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might perhaps use diaeresis in a word that everyone writes with diaeresis, but I don't recall any such word in English (again French is different), < 1620312161 253533 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I learned english, the word "reuse" had me confused for quite some time < 1620312182 900223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Noël" and "Zoë" used to universally have the diaeresis, but even those have been losing it recently < 1620312190 325213 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've never learned the diaresis thing < 1620312218 56416 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd think they would use that when teaching english as a foreign language, sigh < 1620312220 117930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm mentally pronouncing "reuse" under German pronunciation rules, it's almost unrecognisable < 1620312248 187589 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do sometimes use "æ" and "œ" in English words though: archæology, cornucopœia, pharmacopœia, mediæval < 1620312262 568660 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though maybe they can't do that to germans because of the umlauts < 1620312271 300532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen a discussion of these which argues that "æ" is correct in some words and "ae" in others, depending on pronounciation and etymology < 1620312316 457741 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, I write aether rather than æther, except possibly in the names of M:tG cards, but those M:tG cards have been errataed to use aether too now < 1620312342 750503 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I write mediaeval more often than mediæval < 1620312352 683286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously they should have used more non-ASCII letters to force their databases to work properly < 1620312352 941760 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for archaeology < 1620312364 856991 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1620312370 10277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says that "medieval" is now the most common spelling even in the UK < 1620312381 914128 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oddly I don't think the æ caused a problem in their databases < 1620312394 423772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whereas most æ's became ae in British English and e in American English) < 1620312397 687165 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know medieval is the more common spelling, but I think that looks ugly < 1620312414 326410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I hate the fact that you use 's to pluralize a letter, it goes against everything that people are taught about apostrophes and s's < 1620312440 1227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the books on English spelling/grammar I've read say that this is an explicit special case < 1620312448 522614 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to write plural letters like: "A"s, "B"s, etc < 1620312462 177462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this is the programmer way to do it, I think < 1620312463 359944 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the letters are tricky, the easiest would be to use one of the long form letter names, either the phoenician-derived ones or one of the many telephone alphabets < 1620312485 492867 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could say esses, sierras, or sigmas < 1620312497 417387 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without quotes, "A"s cannot easily be distinguished from "as". < 1620312572 13130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if this means that to form a possessive from a letter, you use two apostrophes < 1620312642 3 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayes, bees (yes, that's ambiguous, see also the relevant PBF strip), cees, dees, effs, gees, aitches or haitches, iyes, jays, kays, ells, emms, enns, pees (yes, pees, don't lauch), queues, arres (it would be "ares" but that already has like three different meanings), esses, tees, yous, vees, dubyous, exes, wyes, and zeds < 1620312692 665179 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or alphas, bravos, charlies, deltas, echos, etc < 1620312714 594434 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :assholes, bitches, cunts, dicks... what would e be < 1620312716 473586 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs off < 1620312806 81315 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: eggheads or #esoteric-regulars < 1620312813 965912 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This has been on my mind since I encountered the "r-word" (thanks to Twitch, who recently banned the word "retard")) < 1620312985 684818 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: funnily I have recently re-read the Christine Nöstlinger children's novel "Konrad oder das Kind aus der Konservbüchse", which does have a full alphabetic list of insults < 1620313005 21720 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's enticing < 1620313005 586076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it wouldn't necessarily be an alphabetic list of /gendered/ insults, though < 1620313013 189999 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the titualar character is insulted with them < 1620313014 257585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if it's a children's novel < 1620313020 420927 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look it up so I can quote it < 1620313026 854095 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have the book here < 1620313027 950365 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I thought the 'a' was gender neutral :P < 1620313067 455815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1620313096 982928 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some of the insults might be age-specific too, these are for children because Konrád is 7 years old < 1620313097 496641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a much weaker insult than the others (there are probably instances where it's meant as a neutral description rather than a negative description) < 1620313126 985959 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the first thing to come to my mind for "the a-word". < 1620313264 308335 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it is, in translation by Bor Ambrus: “Alattomos bumburnyák, cickány, dinka, ebihal, findzsafej, gügye, gyagya, holdjáró, idióta, jancsiszeg, kecskebak, lótetű, lyukas kulcs, málészáj, népelnyomó, nyavalyás, orrszarvú, ökör, pipaszárláb, répafej, sajtkukac, szemétláda, töpörtyű, tyúkmellű, ukmukkfukk, üreginyúl, vesekő, zabszem, zsebgyerek.” < 1620313323 653866 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of those are dated or not a good match for Konrád or are rather weak in general, but it's an alphabetic list that is in-universe improvised by another child and with the constraint that some taboo words wouldn't be printed in a book back then, so given those contraints it's quite funny < 1620313327 414370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, some of htose appear to be loanwords < 1620313338 460843 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book is from 1985 < 1620313350 205640 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :loanwords? which one? < 1620313361 580254 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, idióta < 1620313378 437770 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is a quite common insult so it does seem appropriate < 1620313382 729934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally speaking, if a word isn't one of the 3-4ish native Hungarian words I know and I recognise it (and it's Hungarian), it must be a loanword :-) < 1620313540 269665 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book has some more choicy but non-alphabetic insults elsewher < 1620313855 545831 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1620314141 679017 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620314703 71398 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620314727 199925 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620315384 852463 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this (or have comments about) this Magic: the Gathering card design? {?} Instant ;; Two target permanents copy each other. Exchange control of those permanents. < 1620315403 566023 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It might not seem like much, but actually, it is a lot.) < 1620315441 787294 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know MtG very well, can you remind me what exactly "copy" does? < 1620315544 508438 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copy changes the copiable values of some object to another object's copiable values; these are only layer 1 effects, and it does not copy anything from other layers, nor counters, attachments, ownership, initial text, etc. < 1620315565 706669 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it copies the base values printed on the card (or values a token were created with) and a very few later modifications (Artificial Evolution effects, other copy effects, effects like morph or transform that change which card face is shown, and Primal Clay effects), but not most other effecrts on the card (like Giant Growth) < 1620315595 651078 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: there's no rule support for "copy each other", that would probably need a rules errata, but oh well < 1620315619 437320 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, zzo38's design is good for a situation where my opponent has a card with a lot of counters on it (or other non-copyable things) and I want the counters to be on my card < 1620315648 473328 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Artificial Evolution is a layer 3 effect, not layer 1. < 1620315652 409163 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: or you can use it if you just want to delay stuff by causing summoning sickness < 1620315659 900312 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: That is one thing, but it can be used for a lot more things than that. < 1620315746 377711 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sorry, you're right, Artificial Evolution effects aren't copied either < 1620315789 640988 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like fewer copy effects in general, because the mechanic is not worth the rules complications, and resent how Wizards started to put a copy effect in uncommon < 1620315799 106245 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be on rares only back when I played < 1620315836 197009 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I mean effects that copy permanents < 1620315853 639645 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :effects that copy spells are also complicated but less problematic < 1620315869 573124 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think what rarity a card should have can depend on the set; even if a card is one that would normally be rare, uncommon might make sense in some set (and vice-versa). < 1620315892 884412 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well sure, there are still permanent copy effects in rare too, it's not only uncommons < 1620315900 456407 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they started to regularly make uncommon Clone cards < 1620316411 889535 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620316916 912612 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1620317122 268517 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Grok14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82680&oldid=81994 5* 03AarMil42 5* (+448) 10 < 1620317788 628378 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also deflect spells, get out of combat, untap something to use it again, get rid of Auras, use it with removing one from the battlefield to reuse it, etc. < 1620318611 310098 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:256f:8501:d907:f377 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620319217 314549 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620320848 739285 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1620321992 894623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82681&oldid=82628 5* 03RetroPain 5* (-12) 10 > 1620322304 747139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82682&oldid=82681 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+188) 10 > 1620322399 811076 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82683&oldid=82682 5* 03RetroPain 5* (-64) 10 > 1620322448 555630 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Kemuri 5* 10New user account > 1620322463 195665 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82684&oldid=82683 5* 03RetroPain 5* (+61) 10 > 1620322779 599230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82685&oldid=82601 5* 03Kemuri 5* (+192) 10 < 1620322785 645139 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1620322914 281606 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Kemuri14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82686 5* 03Kemuri 5* (+104) 10Created page with "Yeah, hi. I created a little language, inspired by brainfuck: [https://github.com/gXLg/jitejix jitejix]" < 1620323074 569590 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620323458 875935 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620324827 383577 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620325061 531726 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620325378 623812 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620325480 678151 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620326224 418673 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1620326269 27756 :xelxebar_!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.7.2+deb3 - https://znc.in < 1620327315 836889 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1620327465 634705 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* 10New user account < 1620328495 878678 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1620328609 730285 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Rayuelaicon.png10]]": rayuela < 1620329688 917067 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620330257 687124 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:256f:8501:d907:f377 QUIT :Quit: We must know, we will know > 1620331568 862530 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[072DFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82688&oldid=77931 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (-1) 10*Confused confusing confiuson* > 1620331795 258442 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck Assembly Language14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82689&oldid=82054 5* 03Olus2000 5* (+2495) 10Added the ternary variant < 1620332240 271765 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1620332702 283532 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck Assembly Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82690&oldid=82689 5* 03Olus2000 5* (+49) 10Link to "balanced ternary" wikipedia > 1620333310 294754 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Olus200014]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82691&oldid=82048 5* 03Olus2000 5* (+53) 10 < 1620333716 639007 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1620334337 12117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck Assembly Language14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82692 5* 03Olus2000 5* (+345) 10Created page with "* I have zero idea how discussion pages should work ~~~~Olus2000 * I'm currently looking for ideas how to handle jumps in ternary BAL. I will elaborate if I remember and have..." < 1620334928 434868 :catern!~sbaugh@2604:2000:8fc0:b:a9c7:866a:bf36:3407 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1620335109 940362 :catern!~sbaugh@2604:2000:8fc0:b:a9c7:866a:bf36:3407 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620335935 914714 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620335957 816363 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620337749 70081 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620337749 665836 :gilesgate!gilesgate@sdf-eu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620338445 404182 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1620338579 847482 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620338835 131489 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator QUIT :Excess Flood < 1620339071 868675 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1620339624 858360 :budonyc!~budonyc@c-24-62-207-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620339633 361924 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620340765 866902 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620342067 431574 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620342450 974404 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620343114 950504 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620343795 786322 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1620344007 766122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 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ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82712&oldid=82711 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+22) 10/* Ideas for Names */ < 1620374700 441100 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620374835 759998 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1620374939 647056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620374949 699080 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620375035 889966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric > 1620375919 585745 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A.R.T.I.C.L.E.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82713&oldid=78642 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+312) 10/* Computational class */ > 1620376545 796940 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A345120268A914]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82714&oldid=82643 5* 03RXVT100 5* (-3) 10/* Syntax */ < 1620379176 11577 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620379258 858832 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620382674 973641 :user24!~user24@2a02:810a:1440:7304:48cd:bac3:8917:7fe QUIT :Quit: We must know, we will know > 1620389326 431575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82715&oldid=82709 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+1057) 10 < 1620389833 409705 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-files S5EP11 https://i.imgur.com/R5eSWDH.png < 1620389848 987126 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone knows what is this language? < 1620389942 848065 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.imgur.com/d5yKwre.jpg > 1620389951 859375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82716&oldid=82715 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (-33) 10/* Turing Completeness */ > 1620390166 575496 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82717&oldid=82716 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+95) 10/* What Everything Means */ > 1620392337 91465 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nomad14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82718&oldid=82096 5* 03SCKelemen 5* (+9) 10/* Recursion */ < 1620392358 235161 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1620392459 435966 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nomad14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82719&oldid=82718 5* 03SCKelemen 5* (+19) 10/* Pattern Matching */ > 1620392537 357383 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nomad14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82720&oldid=82719 5* 03SCKelemen 5* (+10) 10/* Tic Tac Toe */ < 1620393411 730151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: Looks pretty Prolog-y. < 1620393565 552594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uppercase variables, the :- operator, comma-separated list of clauses terminated by a period, semicolon for a disjunction, ! as well -- if it's not plain Prolog, it's at least a derivative. < 1620393621 943013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and doubling a single quote to escape it. < 1620393673 960222 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620394192 917347 :budonyc!~budonyc@c-24-62-207-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1620394994 977029 :budonyc!~budonyc@c-24-62-207-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620395009 811992 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1620396276 24096 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82721&oldid=82717 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+282) 10/* What Everything Means */ > 1620396513 192339 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82722&oldid=82721 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+2) 10/* Turing Completeness */ > 1620396584 969961 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82723&oldid=82722 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+6) 10/* What Everything Means */ < 1620397472 379528 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1620398029 357074 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82724&oldid=82723 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (-902) 10/* Turing Completeness */ < 1620398287 820175 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620399894 735947 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1620400188 442790 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620401468 564971 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1620403508 375448 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82725&oldid=82724 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+779) 10 < 1620403922 944720 :budonyc!~budonyc@c-24-62-207-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1620403936 664137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82726&oldid=82725 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (-10) 10 < 1620404073 631450 :budonyc!~budonyc@c-24-62-207-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620404083 692866 :grimler32!~grimler67@pool-108-49-215-20.bstnma.fios.verizon.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" > 1620404114 149169 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82727&oldid=82726 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+29) 10 > 1620404139 573040 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82728&oldid=82727 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+0) 10 > 1620404202 779176 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82729&oldid=82728 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+9) 10 > 1620404220 692137 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82730&oldid=82729 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (-9) 10 > 1620405889 107499 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82731&oldid=82710 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+294) 10Link, cats > 1620405929 863346 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82732&oldid=82731 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1) 10Fix cat < 1620408799 3334 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620410056 744968 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620410090 433072 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620410243 227174 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1620410268 219453 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1620410713 769420 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1620410792 899545 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620411740 464028 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620412009 770299 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620412239 873200 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nlcljrukqpuvrydw JOIN :#esoteric > 1620412434 968302 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82733&oldid=82730 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (-99) 10/* What Everything Means */ > 1620412535 800945 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82734&oldid=82733 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+27) 10/* What Everything Means */ < 1620415069 935827 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1620415083 433895 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0799 (Esolang)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82735&oldid=78228 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+2888) 10Told you I would finish this < 1620417186 900847 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1620417664 972444 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clockwise14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82736&oldid=75700 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1727) 10Make page better < 1620418284 658890 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620418740 562769 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620419681 915503 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620420195 394614 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that Ogg is too simple and the other formats are too complicated. It is why I tried to make up my own format < 1620420792 900449 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620420936 528656 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think of that? < 1620420963 727624 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( WHY?! ) < 1620421001 593818 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`" < 1620421003 889140 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/2:178) * oerjan considered buying lutefisk, but apparently it cannot be prepared in microwave \ 567) If you jump a car from a ramp and hit the wall of a building, in midair, you tend to get ejected up and fly to the sky-ceiling, then slowly slide at that height to one corner of the world; then you land, make a complicated spinning-around thing for a while, and then explode. Also probably works in real life < 1620421012 166065 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is what? > 1620421250 807322 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Jitejix14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82737 5* 03Kemuri 5* (+2531) 10Created page with "==Jitejix== An esolang created for fun. Pronounciated as [d zh i t e d zh i k s]. Inspired by Brainfuck. Probably not turing complete, who knows. The name was ch..." > 1620421264 645766 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82738&oldid=82734 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+141) 10/* What Everything Means */ < 1620421500 647285 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” > 1620421657 757984 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82739&oldid=82621 5* 03Kemuri 5* (+14) 10/* J */ < 1620422130 654059 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620422505 520493 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620422659 147176 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1620423033 55075 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620423783 358482 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620424527 825843 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1620425117 983917 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Jitejix14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82740&oldid=82737 5* 03Kemuri 5* (+18) 10/* Instructions */ < 1620425581 528148 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620427880 904874 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1620428080 47043 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82741&oldid=82738 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (-136) 10/* What Everything Means */ < 1620428168 873153 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1620428585 454114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Skinny pig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82742&oldid=82653 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+156) 10 > 1620429041 24760 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tomhe 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Calc.jpg10]]" > 1620429060 283541 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Skinny pig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82744&oldid=82742 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+154) 10 > 1620430676 700291 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tomhe 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Func.fj.png10]]" < 1620430706 994460 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: ... > 1620431316 929933 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Skinny pig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82746&oldid=82744 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+1) 10 > 1620431627 906214 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Skinny pig14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82747&oldid=82746 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+493) 10 < 1620431802 977335 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620432082 955659 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620434928 65392 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620435057 552255 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620435301 656548 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1620435346 535832 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620438303 877543 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620438556 610674 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620438592 913644 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1620439444 609108 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620439729 586943 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620440401 62067 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nlcljrukqpuvrydw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1620442213 318960 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82748&oldid=82741 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+1834) 10/* Examples */ < 1620443500 869792 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm < 1620446566 933391 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620446594 574945 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1620447228 885510 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82749&oldid=82748 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (-18) 10/* What Everything Means */ < 1620447405 894104 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1620448159 446054 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82750&oldid=82749 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+226) 10/* Hello, Rayuela! */ < 1620449172 920372 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1620450610 653893 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82751&oldid=82750 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (-11) 10/* Hello, Rayuela! */ > 1620450841 223857 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82752&oldid=82751 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+1) 10/* Hello, Rayuela! */ > 1620451218 977929 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82753&oldid=82752 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+5) 10/* Full Programs */ > 1620451648 941713 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82754&oldid=82753 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+5) 10/* Hello, Rayuela! */ > 1620453071 802044 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82755&oldid=82754 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (-14) 10/* Hello, Rayuela! */ > 1620453286 200502 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82756&oldid=82755 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+15) 10/* Full Programs */ < 1620453292 558810 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620456278 668786 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620456757 565031 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1620457952 634753 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82757&oldid=82578 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+539) 10 < 1620458066 790316 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620458270 829988 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620458309 465119 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620459126 975807 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric > 1620460632 630386 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82758&oldid=82757 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+117) 10/* C */ Link added > 1620461170 507760 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tomhe 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Hello.fj.png10]]" < 1620461373 800230 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1620461573 532415 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A.R.T.I.C.L.E.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82760&oldid=82713 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+215) 10/* Clear accumulator */ ) (Snippet < 1620461587 780553 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1620461590 488864 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A.R.T.I.C.L.E.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82761&oldid=82760 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+1) 10/* Clear accumulator */ < 1620461732 881528 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620463044 353514 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear spammers, if you send multiple variants of the same spam shortly one after another, that just makes it more likely that I'll throw them out. even if I were so stupid as to fall for one of those "you won 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 dollars, get your prepaid card now" emails, sending two simultaneously with different details just makes you look stupid < 1620463111 103978 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I hear you have a few millions millions millions of dollars that you don't want < 1620463452 40996 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LKoen: also professional spam as in invitations to publish in junk journals and conferences (though Covid reduced the number of conference invitations) and book series, a lot of random newsletters from online or in-person stores where I have shopped once and gave them an email address (bioszallito.hu seems to be the most prof... prol... sends them the most frequently), < 1620463474 941387 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolific < 1620463489 651637 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I get invites from predatory journals, too < 1620463491 582803 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's flattering < 1620463551 414040 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, about two or three years ago, I started receiving spam that was pretending to be from big companies < 1620463562 543814 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple contradictory emails of the "your email account will be locked unless you confirm your personal data" type, and even a few copies of the "your computer has been hacked and I made video recording of you masturbating, please send me bitcoins" email in perfect (not google-translated) Hungarian < 1620463565 253008 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly amazon, facebook, my phone company, and flight companies < 1620463578 250470 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all those look exactly the same (appart from which company they claim to be from) < 1620463630 694224 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, emails in the name of more banks than I ever hand contact with too, emails of "your package couldn't be delivered", < 1620463645 309158 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes emails in languages I don't speak of which I can't determine what kind they're trying to be < 1620463646 607649 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's funny < 1620463661 305764 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read about scams that were about delivering unordered packages < 1620463672 33564 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you open your door, and there is a package on the doorstep < 1620463689 212344 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for some reasons that helps them make money illegally (I couldn't understand the logic) > 1620463702 498692 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FlipJump14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82762 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+14198) 10Initial FlipJump page :) < 1620463759 622984 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few months ago there was also a wave of SMS spam with "your package is on the way" and an URL, I've got several and I think they sent a lot in Hungary < 1620463802 6452 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes sense because it's a good way to scam the older demographic who now start to get smartphones but can't use them < 1620464008 561130 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my favorite is still the dead-tree spam that I found taped to the door of my parent's house, a fake bill from some utility company (it's easy, water is still a monopoly, and while technically there are multiple companies you can contract with to get electricity or gas, most old houses still just have a contract with the successor of whatever the monopoly was), stating that they'll shut of the gas < 1620464015 14270 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or electricity, can't recall) if you don't pay the money to the bank account they give by today, and with the actual phone number of the gas or electricity company < 1620464846 867904 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620471891 824873 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1620471946 931224 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620472408 945377 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620472409 410174 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric > 1620472845 649020 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03CristianCantoro 5* 10New user account > 1620473332 324090 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82763&oldid=82685 5* 03CristianCantoro 5* (+191) 10/* Introductions */ > 1620473388 589766 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:CristianCantoro14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82764 5* 03CristianCantoro 5* (+159) 10+my user page < 1620476111 953195 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1620476418 579290 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1620477864 713503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get spam for services that I think must be pretty niche. How likely is is for a random person to want to order "precision zinc and aluminum alloy die casting" for example? And even if you happen to hit a decision-maker in some business enterprise, are they really going to make purchasing decisions like that based on spam? < 1620477962 409249 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, that sounds vaguely familiar. < 1620478031 152415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's not even close to the most obscure thing. How about "Re: Exclusive distributor of PTCA/PTA/ Introducer Sheat 0412"? (Which I think is medical equipment or something.) < 1620478034 336539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be that these are scams of some other kind, rather than just plain advertisement, but I'd think they'd at least pick titles with a little more broad appeal. < 1620478089 394570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also on that list: "top10 Optical Fiber HDMI cables manufacturer", "TPU film updated offer", "5 axis CNC milling / Al/Zn/Mg die casting / plastic injection moulding", ... < 1620478107 202147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And many emails about wire mesh. < 1620478149 656804 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, only the zinc and aluminium thing rings a bell here. < 1620478248 650385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, should probably archive the contents of the spam folder off the IMAP server again, it's grown to 20324 messages. < 1620478276 694690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure why I'm keeping these, anyway. But storage is cheap, and maybe someday I'll want to build a very personal spam model or something. < 1620478288 137150 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say... I delete spam :P < 1620478312 948872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just periodically slurp these off and compress them. < 1620478468 154754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes they put the recipient address on the subject line, which sounds a little funny, when it's a role account of some sort. E.g. here's one titled "Disinfection robot bfjoust@selene.zem.fi". < 1620478486 918592 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style spam < 1620478487 151635 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1620478587 961877 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AC DC motors Micro solenoid pumps and solenoid valves bfjoust bfjoust@selene.zem.fi" < 1620478602 932492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfjoust@ gets a lot of offers. < 1620478712 522531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also on that note, webmaster@esolangs.org has an email from "an IT company In India" asking if we're "interested in Design or Re-design your website". < 1620479442 233826 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more plausible < 1620479822 895397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a logistics company from China, in case we're interested in shipping some esolangs merch I guess. < 1620480076 364941 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I remember getting spam for welding machines. Somehow they seem to have given up... < 1620480501 788009 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1620483576 169175 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620483633 216539 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ubodzoficrnipzac JOIN :#esoteric < 1620483658 875238 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620484104 800128 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric > 1620485244 859352 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Monicelli14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82765 5* 03CristianCantoro 5* (+1083) 10+add page < 1620485707 789347 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1620485806 672822 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620486254 802211 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620486475 317226 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1620486794 875110 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620486957 697534 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620486972 966402 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1620487450 439423 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Monicelli14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82766&oldid=82765 5* 03CristianCantoro 5* (-4) 10 < 1620488619 561501 :budonyc!~budonyc@c-24-62-207-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620489377 310390 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620489966 901928 :budonyc!~budonyc@c-24-62-207-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1620490159 330129 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[0799 (Esolang)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82767&oldid=82735 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+443) 10Forgot to add examples. (The programs I made were too long) > 1620490227 190941 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82768&oldid=82739 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+26) 10Thought I added this already :P < 1620490246 823976 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1620490306 956824 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82769&oldid=82768 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+0) 10The person who invented small letters shouldn't have existed > 1620490467 124531 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82770&oldid=82756 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+365) 10/* Full Programs */ < 1620490512 38103 :LKoen!~LKoen@140.170.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620490751 88245 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any models of computation that have popped up in recent years that model distributed computation? i.e among multiple processors/nodes in a network without shared memory. > 1620491280 773594 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07OISC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82771&oldid=82104 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+226) 10adding FlipJump > 1620491376 439696 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BitBitJump14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82772&oldid=74221 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+15) 10adding FlipJump > 1620491492 640496 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07TOGA computer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82773&oldid=79384 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+15) 10adding the similar FlipJump > 1620491570 792485 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82774&oldid=82770 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+1) 10/* For a number abc, output abccba. */ > 1620491601 788443 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82775&oldid=82769 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+15) 10adding FlipJump < 1620491963 205568 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1620492101 765650 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1620492167 748203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Tomhe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82776&oldid=80490 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+38) 10revealing FlipJump < 1620493432 781681 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620494916 30749 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: aren't some of those obscure ads because you once bought in a store that sells something similar, and they sold your email address for targeted ads? < 1620494948 736561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, but definitely not for the `bfjoust` address. < 1620494960 25202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must have been picked up from the web with no context. < 1620495028 731780 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1620495046 304848 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I know why I'm getting ads for books and medical equipment and sports equipment, those are particular stores that identify themselves < 1620495114 946089 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones about drones, miracle cure for joints, and aphrodisiac, those I think are generic non-targeted ads sent to everyone < 1620495147 641539 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are the ones in the name of banks and paypal < 1620495294 773632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that one that says "12,000 shed plans inside", which has been happening for long. < 1620495298 948346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://zem.fi/tmp/full_of_sheds.png < 1620495540 923295 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you need a shed. < 1620495555 254803 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 12,000 variations. < 1620496558 335778 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least with the email I have set up, I only very rarely receive any spam at all. < 1620496610 617164 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, I have sometimes received some. Sometimes when I did receive some more, I disabled that address. It was once about they have videos of me from my computer, which is impossible since I do not have a camera or microphone attached to my computer anyways.) < 1620496713 107329 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620497190 930502 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620498970 814292 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@t Refl < 1620498971 43643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: tell thank you thanks thesaurus thx tic-tac-toe ticker time todo todo-add todo-delete type v @ ? . < 1620498976 454362 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type Refl < 1620498977 617608 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall k (a :: k). a :~: a < 1620498995 87220 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thank lambdabot < 1620498995 409679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: thank you thanks < 1620499002 555665 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thanks lambdabot < 1620499002 819855 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome < 1620499305 570865 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1620499430 825228 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1620499551 403197 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to get how to formulate path induction from HoTT in haskell, if that’s at all possible < 1620499563 662494 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would we need DataKinds, eh < 1620499715 674862 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you try to write it based on inductions (folds) for your usual non-GADT types like Nat, [a], (a, b), Either a b, (), Void, you realise you get stuck at how to represent the :~: constructor which for I asked lambdabot for its type which isn’t that bad but it still doesn’t make much help < 1620499857 795798 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I think I see. It got too dependent in that book, it even has the usual natural number induction in a very dependent way, not just a -> (a -> a) -> Nat -> a, but a 0 -> (forall n. a n -> a (n + 1)) -> forall n. a n < 1620499882 300861 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I maybe just need to de-dependize the book version < 1620500066 558053 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I suspect then the resulting version of path induction will lose all its usefulness! Let’s check < 1620500159 327479 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620500237 884765 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@kind (:~:) < 1620500239 154100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :k -> k -> * < 1620500248 987520 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else I expected < 1620500524 763964 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn The password of the month is heavily guarded. < 1620500530 713828 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is heavily guarded. < 1620500647 107941 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like this?.. foldPath :: (forall x :: k. a x x) -> (forall x y :: k. x :~: y -> a x y) < 1620500674 9896 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I right we may move forall x y out and make that explicit? < 1620500725 90347 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldPath :: forall x y :: k. (forall x :: k. a x x) -> x :~: y -> a x y -- or at least this way, as we can’t leave out k I think < 1620500739 646394 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it at all have any sense < 1620500808 201571 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing has any sense < 1620500862 371522 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its definition should be something like `foldPath z Refl = z` and in this light it does indeed has a bit of usefulness in it! < 1620500929 890856 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dare we try. Dear lambdabot please don’t overheat < 1620500930 40812 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldPath :: forall x y :: k. (forall x :: k. a x x) -> x :~: y -> a x y < 1620500930 40859 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldPath z Refl = z < 1620500931 875569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:17: error: :1:17: error: parse error on input ‘=’ < 1620500931 982927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:24: error: :1:24: error: parse error on input ‘::’ < 1620500982 383287 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t understand, I’ll resume in private now < 1620500998 493160 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no multiline input in lambdabot < 1620501010 225400 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right < 1620501016 533408 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the error confused me still < 1620501050 625426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no '=' in the middle of an expression, and somehow the errors got out of order < 1620501098 524395 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lambdabot uses a separate thread per message, and evidently forks off concurrent mueval processes... the second one was faster) < 1620501115 39318 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620501129 24101 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now think I completely forgot how do we define something together with type annotation in one line: > { ann; def } doesn’t work < 1620501177 387135 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> takes and expression. @let is for definitions, though as long as you're playing around, just using the let ... in ... syntax instead is better < 1620501226 143044 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo 0 = 0; foo 1 = 1; foo n = foo (n-1) + foo (n-2) in map foo [1..10] < 1620501228 80415 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55] < 1620501281 647005 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don’t worry, I’ll unlet everything later. Now I think I wrote `x y :: k` badly, it should maybe be `(x :: k) (y :: k)` < 1620501512 876808 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems the correct typing is this: foldPath :: forall k (a :: k -> k -> *) (x :: k) (y :: k). (forall (z :: k). a z z) -> x :~: y -> a x y < 1620501566 130850 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compiles but I didn’t gave it a good expression < 1620501601 540095 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t immediately know for which interesting a we can make forall z. a z z < 1620501841 938280 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620502074 907668 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the original, dependent formulation that’s way more manageable: (a :: forall (x :: k) -> forall (y :: k) -> x :~: y -> *) and (forall (z :: k). a z z Refl) and we return not just (x :~: y -> a x y) but (forall (p :: x :~: y) -> a x y p) < 1620502106 371792 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no why would I say that’s more manageable < 1620502190 393446 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I missed the perfect example. Let’s take a = (->) ! < 1620502300 940448 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we get proof transfer or something principle: foldPath id :: forall k x y. x :~: y -> (x -> y) < 1620502319 222938 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not this way, but we can get x :~: y -> (p x -> p y) < 1620502338 341459 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t castWith < 1620502339 575914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: Variable not in scope: castWith < 1620502349 151822 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Type.Equality.castWith < 1620502350 364993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a :~: b) -> a -> b < 1620502365 160979 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I won’t be surprised it’s already there < 1620502386 871081 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I’m not < 1620502433 623495 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 PRIVMSG #esoteric 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1620515056 872052 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07GomorraSQL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82782 5* 03Aurasphere 5* (+6317) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=GomorraSQL |paradigms=[[:Category:Declarative paradigm|Declarative]] |author=[https://aurasphere.co Donato Rimenti] |year=[[:Category:2021|2021]] |typ..." < 1620515096 396138 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620515140 743182 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1620515358 835233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07GomorraSQL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82783&oldid=82782 5* 03Aurasphere 5* (-2) 10 < 1620515481 797703 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620515525 757060 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1620515625 245852 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82784&oldid=82775 5* 03Aurasphere 5* (+17) 10 < 1620515766 826680 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1620517103 951411 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1620517351 639576 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1620517355 910520 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1620517458 787751 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82785&oldid=82774 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (-5) 10/* What Everything Means */ > 1620517530 837523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07GomorraSQL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82786&oldid=82783 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-32) 10Use wiki link < 1620517971 819427 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620518057 987001 :pfe!~pfe@c-09fc524e.019-148-67626725.bbcust.telenor.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1620518251 866304 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1620519186 918767 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620519474 818370 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1620521874 14354 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620522449 885193 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620522710 894974 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1620524253 951015 :pfe!~pfe@c-09fc524e.019-148-67626725.bbcust.telenor.se QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.3 < 1620525694 609052 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620525958 586446 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1620533067 914668 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Horribly Translated BASIC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82787&oldid=81292 5* 03Gilbert189 5* (+19) 10I've decided to put this into "Ideas" because... well, it's an idea. < 1620533893 413367 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made $30k on dogecoin tonight. < 1620533907 333394 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody to celebrate with. < 1620533909 652862 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheers. > 1620534656 441372 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unfair14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82788&oldid=80516 5* 03Gilbert189 5* (+2) 10silly typo < 1620534787 417448 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats imode > 1620536354 666090 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Horribly Translated BASIC/Original Text14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82789 5* 03Gilbert189 5* (+4735) 10Created page with "''a'' :''Note that this is only an example. The keywords, syntax, and any other should not be exactly like this.'' Horribly Translated BASIC is BASIC but horri..." > 1620537840 677254 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82790&oldid=82785 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+879) 10/* Full Programs */ > 1620538001 769189 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Rayuela14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82791&oldid=82790 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+3) 10/* Reverse Cat */ < 1620539195 838032 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1620540190 907754 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620540238 987188 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620540759 809037 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620541022 786044 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1620541154 613970 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620541216 886598 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nvxmqndcqoqioqwm QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1620541238 982238 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1620544763 703348 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Horribly Translated BASIC/Original Text14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82792&oldid=82789 5* 03Gilbert189 5* (+58) 10 > 1620544948 55871 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Horribly Translated BASIC14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82793&oldid=80603 5* 03Gilbert189 5* (-4633) 10/* Original text */ > 1620545007 896445 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Horribly Translated BASIC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82794&oldid=82787 5* 03Gilbert189 5* (+9) 10 < 1620547797 723904 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620548004 739496 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1620548186 782229 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620549569 195669 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620549587 741816 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1620550552 986457 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620550918 225051 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1620550961 814141 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620550988 996122 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1620551012 154761 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1620551077 172603 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1620555302 117794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07\BV14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82795&oldid=73619 5* 03SunnyMoon 5* (+10) 10Just helping out < 1620565509 652747 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620567539 747908 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620567806 674185 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620569133 531305 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1620569235 854288 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620569801 251907 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1620570169 788218 :LKoen!~LKoen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620570827 783965 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620571091 766608 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620571642 921205 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620572062 286160 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fzaqsjhbxqzhfzhw JOIN :#esoteric < 1620574301 951795 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620574511 776419 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620574771 519068 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1620574822 17432 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Blame iczero something happened < 1620574959 226447 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620575038 859803 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1620575072 918197 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator JOIN :#esoteric < 1620576227 480547 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1620578160 947881 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620579157 858780 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1620579790 364407 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1620579820 729275 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Monicelli14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82796&oldid=82766 5* 03CristianCantoro 5* (+2212) 10+hello world example and refs < 1620580408 800393 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620581049 611730 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620584526 943178 :LKoen_!~LKoen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620584646 685440 :LKoen!~LKoen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620588459 842424 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1620588491 797824 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620589419 935397 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1620589595 802888 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.169.115 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1620591835 885902 :LKoen_!~LKoen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1620592842 661260 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620592882 572996 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620594097 836211 :harha_!~harha@ns356919.ip-91-121-144.eu QUIT :Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in < 1620594271 869935 :harha_!~harha@ns356919.ip-91-121-144.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1620596679 31316 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had idea of a new kind of copyright license, which does not add any further restrictions than if copyright laws and patent laws are abolished, and allows conversion to GNU GPL, GNU AGPL, and possibly some other licenses. Other kinds of restrictions are still possible, such as you are not allowed to add further restrictions. What do you think of such things like that? < 1620596710 776611 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it must still be approved by FSF and OSI, and probably also Debian. < 1620597002 284469 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds similar to a public domain declaration or CC0 < 1620597097 904852 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :although CC0 explicitly does not abandon patent or trademark rights < 1620597164 95222 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you *can* abandon patent rights in an irrevocable way < 1620597191 187014 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can sign a contract with another party which gives them the right to use your patented inventions free of charge < 1620597212 768466 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure that you can legally commit to never enforce patent rights against /anyone/ < 1620597228 600749 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the licences I'd like to see are (1) one that's like the X11 license but that explicitly says that it gives you permissions forever and everywhere; and one that's like that but only applies starting from a time set in the future, i.e. the data is not free software, but it is guaranteed to be two years from now < 1620598751 926925 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1620599451 66979 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1620601337 527058 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is similar to public domain/CC0 but if it is public domain I think usually they can apply their own copyright to modified versions, so what I mention is a bit different < 1620601764 31572 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to reconcile "no restrictions on derivative works" with "derivative works may not impose restrictions", which is a restriction on derivative works < 1620601809 665029 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you require that derivative works be shared under the same rules then it's a copyleft license, not a permissive one < 1620601829 776709 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's very different from "no restrictions beyond what you'd have if copyright laws are abolished" < 1620601852 430182 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyleft is an application of copyright law < 1620601905 503793 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we abolished copyright law then it would be legal to share binaries of modified GPL programs without sharing the source, although anyone who did get the source somehow would be free to share it (ignoring possibly other things like trade secret law) > 1620602465 602097 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Vortetty 5* 10New user account > 1620602889 86077 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82797&oldid=82779 5* 03Vortetty 5* (+100) 10 > 1620602947 160953 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82798&oldid=82797 5* 03Vortetty 5* (+68) 10fix my signature < 1620603304 219953 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know those things. < 1620603466 828111 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would hope that if the software is modified that source code is distributed too, although I do not believe that laws should enforce this or other restrictions. < 1620604373 714135 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Including the possibility to relicense by GNU GPL is mainly for practicality, although it also means that if copyright laws are not abolished that someone who modifies the code can require others who modify it to share the source too when sharing the binaries. So, you still have that if you want it.) < 1620607281 578443 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I think there is a Business Source License is similar but I think it applies GPL instead of X11 license after two years. (Maybe I am wrong; I don't really remember.) < 1620607360 768408 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't like copyleft licenses. < 1620608102 426785 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like it either, due to their complexity of what is required etc, which is why I suggested a simpler one. > 1620609980 579828 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dumpster Fire14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82799 5* 03Vortetty 5* (+658) 10Created page with "==Overview== An interpreter can be found [https://github.com/Vortetty/dumpsterfire here] {| class="wikitable" |- ! find ! Finds a container to burn |- | op..." > 1620610001 760872 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dumpster Fire14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82800&oldid=82799 5* 03Vortetty 5* (+0) 10/* Overview */ > 1620610062 772225 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dumpster Fire14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82801&oldid=82800 5* 03Vortetty 5* (+36) 10 > 1620610112 836971 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dumpster Fire14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82802&oldid=82801 5* 03Vortetty 5* (+31) 10 > 1620610150 148010 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dumpster Fire14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82803&oldid=82802 5* 03Vortetty 5* (+0) 10 < 1620611144 998339 :budonyc!~budonyc@c-24-62-207-85.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1620612291 14538 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82804&oldid=82479 5* 03Vortetty 5* (+70) 10Add dumpster fire language > 1620612419 718821 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dumpster Fire14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82805&oldid=82803 5* 03Vortetty 5* (+55) 10 < 1620612733 57165 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620612982 139766 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620615513 35232 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620615539 875579 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620615600 778381 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Quit: I seem to have stopped. < 1620615698 550316 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1620618016 332871 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fzaqsjhbxqzhfzhw QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1620622112 441259 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620623929 867159 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1620627610 702147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation)14]]4 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265 seconds < 1620647429 934497 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620647964 17650 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1620648546 837535 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620649016 445673 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, have you noticed that people talk of torture devices, not torture machines, because machines came in during the industrial revolution, and by that time torture was already out of fashion? < 1620649017 573474 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, may i give some brief replies to two specific questions to the president-in-office, if the council can learn something from that. in the third world war the transatlantic relationship and calls upon the commission to present this programme, which is good but also for the millions of tonnes of food aid: a new community vision of nuclear security, in both its objective and method. with regard to what we hav > 1620649940 475786 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82811&oldid=82798 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+224) 10Added my (Sanscicondos) introduction :) < 1620649975 620908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How familiar are you with enhanced interrogation techniques? < 1620649975 859580 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, last night i had a fnord. i am happy to be many and to end up with economic results which are too far removed from the resolution of problems, and quite rightly so including politicians and pensioners who, throughout their lives. < 1620650015 867724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite rightly we'll include politicians and pensioners on the list of suspects. < 1620650572 90097 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, politicians are suspect by default < 1620650572 242503 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1620650668 943708 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sanscicondos14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82812 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+74) 10Yo, page created. > 1620651061 586878 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sanscicondos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82813&oldid=82812 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+317) 10Added my description > 1620651138 989652 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sanscicondos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82814&oldid=82813 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+20) 10code in plus plus or bite the dust > 1620651445 281542 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sanscicondos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82815&oldid=82814 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+148) 10MAGNUM OPUS > 1620651580 866404 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Cheese 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:#esoteric < 1620664638 321590 :LKoen!~LKoen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620664806 896940 :LKoen!~LKoen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1620665109 415402 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheese14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82829&oldid=82828 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+886) 10Added Bug Reporting Tab, Updated Versions Tab, Added Downloads Tab > 1620665358 700801 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheese14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82830&oldid=82829 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+12) 10Edited description > 1620665512 232682 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheese14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82831&oldid=82830 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+45) 10/* Downloads */ Added note > 1620665808 485051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheese14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82832&oldid=82831 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+474) 10/* Bug Reports */ Added the description and example post. > 1620665868 630108 PRIVMSG #esoteric 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5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (-5) 10 < 1620668999 619885 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1620669178 241033 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Carlk 5* 10New user account > 1620669462 130970 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82838&oldid=82811 5* 03Carlk 5* (+203) 10Carl's intro < 1620669603 589215 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1620669676 533784 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Subleq14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82839&oldid=82158 5* 03Carlk 5* (+73) 10External reference to SUBLEQ in Excel > 1620669693 511285 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82840&oldid=82838 5* 03Carlk 5* (+73) 10Carl's intro > 1620669736 488870 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82841&oldid=82840 5* 03Carlk 5* (-98) 10 < 1620669898 546561 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620670171 25171 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1620672327 555290 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620673191 294999 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1620673884 352501 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Dreamvoyager14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82842&oldid=82481 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+9) 10/* esolangs i made */ > 1620673891 687378 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Dreamvoyager14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82843&oldid=82842 5* 03Dreamvoyager 5* (+1) 10/* esolangs i made */ < 1620674333 864532 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620679385 706372 :adu!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: adu < 1620679557 646233 :LKoen!~LKoen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1620680020 462805 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620680312 801109 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620681851 436958 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1620681853 991212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheese14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82844&oldid=82837 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+22) 10 > 1620681882 498199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheese14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82845&oldid=82844 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (-22) 10Undo revision 82844 by [[Special:Contributions/Sanscicondos|Sanscicondos]] ([[User talk:Sanscicondos|talk]]) < 1620681893 642676 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620682541 161031 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620683487 684774 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric 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1620702192 995118 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1620703030 162830 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Airline food14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82851&oldid=82396 5* 03Largejamie 5* (+4) 10 < 1620704149 430318 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-porhvditswtjxxbh QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1620705197 695791 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02User:ColorfulGalaxy/Aheui alphabet10]]": created by blocked user while circumventing the block > 1620705291 710473 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Trump bot 314]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82852 5* 03New Army 5* (+33) 10Created page with "What did you say on my talk page?" > 1620705293 991561 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10blocked [[02User:Trump bot 310]] with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation disabled, email disabled): 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:tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620713096 180140 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620714760 907726 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1620715411 559529 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620715494 981618 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620715772 927333 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620715795 416742 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620717009 659666 :LKoen!~LKoen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620717722 235841 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620720480 420442 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620720549 703190 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620720631 697538 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1620720670 108044 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82855&oldid=82657 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+237) 10/* Euler's birthday is coming. */ < 1620720758 800780 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1620720868 72023 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82856&oldid=82855 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+39) 10/* Euler's birthday is coming. */ > 1620721237 475029 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82857&oldid=82732 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+30) 10From CoffeeHax's introduction < 1620721346 802934 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620721455 224213 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esoteric < 1620721608 387655 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Excess Flood < 1620721868 429624 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:b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a reasonable position < 1620727058 797700 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-213-147.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620731410 647360 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1620732575 515121 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620733533 175000 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620733561 854288 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN :#esoteric < 1620733663 766827 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620733822 179343 :LKoen!~LKoen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1620734628 908511 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheese14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82860&oldid=82845 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (-2) 10formatting > 1620734668 999387 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheese14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82861&oldid=82860 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+0) 10/* Versions */ < 1620735169 743782 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620735190 752960 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric > 1620735677 548643 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheese14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82862&oldid=82861 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (-11) 10Removed vAlpha1.3 while not avaliable < 1620735959 747420 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-213-147.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620736007 609133 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@46-133-195-164.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620736359 620182 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that UZG...SIr string near the top of the sandbox page bothers me... is it meaningless or is it a base62 encoded message? https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Sandbox (unfortunately there does not seem to be any standard base62 format... a quick search has turned up two conventions for the digits already: 0-9A-Za-z and 0-9a-zA-Z) < 1620736423 415535 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the whole sandbox page is weird, so whatever < 1620737115 424591 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620737193 141819 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620737273 299196 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: has HackEso's coins predict dogecoin before it became popular, and if so, does that make HackEso a hipster? < 1620737273 646314 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: the berlin summit, which, unfortunately, but it is not possible, at this stage, europe' s fnord every month. i should now like to confine myself to six of the proposed amendments of the cerdeira fnord report are based on real facts. and everything else which has been strengthened and clarified to very positive effect by the european union < 1620737301 64458 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1620737845 702260 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheese14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82863&oldid=82862 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+107) 10Added usable starting tab to syntax < 1620738143 391249 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jebgsafpndujiwtn JOIN :#esoteric < 1620738274 356615 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620741103 355212 :dbohdan!dbohdan@unaffiliated/dbohdan JOIN :#esoteric < 1620741147 830942 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620741401 771001 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620741777 878880 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620742891 20533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`coins 10 < 1620742894 507689 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02piggercoin 06litiecoin 13sulacoin 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1620756233 598545 :cGIfl300!~dragonfly@vds202104a.cgifl300.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620756242 524802 :cGIfl300!~dragonfly@vds202104a.cgifl300.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, it exist :) < 1620758739 413569 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620759531 523749 :cGIfl300!~dragonfly@vds202104a.cgifl300.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620759926 968690 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-5d6af6-251.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620760543 814381 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620760919 996355 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620760931 553453 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620762206 815567 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620762933 949963 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620763535 291968 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:none30!none30matr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fnogedvuouzwhpfw QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1620764302 601442 :LKoen!~LKoen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1620764663 644798 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620765333 63240 :catern-!~sbaugh@2604:2000:8fc0:b:a9c7:866a:bf36:3407 NICK :catern < 1620765480 984453 :catern!~sbaugh@2604:2000:8fc0:b:a9c7:866a:bf36:3407 NICK :catern- < 1620765493 703688 :catern-!~sbaugh@2604:2000:8fc0:b:a9c7:866a:bf36:3407 NICK :catern < 1620765608 45550 :Discordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fbgmxzkdoitazcdt JOIN :#esoteric < 1620765693 947743 :none30!none30matr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-logbtojbsdozxosr JOIN :#esoteric < 1620765786 840697 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1620766410 82246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Airline food14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82864&oldid=82851 5* 03Largejamie 5* (+0) 10 < 1620766972 585646 :Discordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fbgmxzkdoitazcdt QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1620767027 143522 :none30!none30matr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-logbtojbsdozxosr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1620768559 998411 :Discordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rjesqsybzqipydwi JOIN :#esoteric < 1620768759 839546 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620768786 821612 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1620769146 373143 :none30!none30matr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lxaoubzimnryythm JOIN :#esoteric < 1620769243 864765 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas I use to listen the stream too, sometimes when I go sleep < 1620769281 945597 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also used to go sleep while listening to Red Alert 2 gameplay < 1620769378 435120 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea that after some machine learning you can simulate it -- using game sound samples you can simulate the game, each stage of it < 1620769416 915067 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ASMR gameplay sound simulator for fans" < 1620769768 83714 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620770251 407034 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2021-32471 < 1620770350 541235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. Just because it started with CVE-, I thought it would've been about that Wi-Fi thing that's been making the rounds recently. < 1620770364 690348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot more on-brand for us though. < 1620770583 805932 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620770585 516007 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know they have CVE for Universal Turing Machine; well, now I know. < 1620770618 988342 :laerling!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling NICK :[ < 1620770624 25598 :[!~laerling@unaffiliated/laerling NICK :laerling < 1620770997 286996 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: lol < 1620771027 327961 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a full article linked < 1620771051 69064 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm actually reading that right now (though not in full detail) < 1620771330 182729 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620771518 370505 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620771539 941663 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@46-133-195-164.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1620771831 810413 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I did enjoy the phrases "cognitive complexity" and "so unquestionably saunters" :-) < 1620771916 956670 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the attack is of some minor theoretical concern... you have to be careful of invalid inputs when doing things like diagonalizing over all Turing machines. < 1620772055 135535 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And by "theoretical concern" I mean, of course, that it concerns people working in computability theory :-) ) < 1620772193 474446 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense > 1620772794 63 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Slendi 5* 10New user account > 1620773024 112587 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82865&oldid=82854 5* 03Slendi 5* (+167) 10/* Introductions */ > 1620774679 817083 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Airline food14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82866&oldid=82864 5* 03Largejamie 5* (-15) 10/* Computational Class */ < 1620774881 633760 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently I dabble several minutes to half a hour of lazy mental effort in hyperbolic geometry, again, and in esoteric parts of it < 1620774925 452770 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, how many ends a straight line has? Two, but beware an euclidean one has just a single one < 1620774928 240823 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru NICK :arseniiv < 1620775270 8954 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, what geometry is on the absolute? One may first think that the absolute is an artifact of models of this geometry, but when transforming the space, the absolute undergoes the same transformations regardless of a model which we use, be it one of circle models, a half-plane conformal model or maybe the best of all, hyperboloid-in-Minkowski-space model, in which case the absolute is the sky sphere or whatsitcalled. And in this last case < 1620775270 219225 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : it’s obvious the cone is acted on by the same O⁺(1, n) group the hyperboloid and all the rest of Minkowski space areor, what geometry is on the absolute? One may first think that the absolute is an artifact of models of this geometry, but when transforming the space, the absolute undergoes the same transformations regardless of a model which we use, be it one of circle models, a half-plane conformal model or maybe the best of all, h < 1620775270 219285 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yperboloid-in-Minkowski-space model, in which case the absolute is the sky sphere, a projectivization of the null cone (or light cone) < 1620775428 270298 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in this case it’s obvious the sky sphere (hm I’m afraid I remember its name wrong, but it’s definitely not a heavenly sphere) is not a stranger here: it’s acted on by the same O⁺(1, n) the rest of the Minkowski space is (including our beloved hyperboloid which we used to cut all other transformations out) < 1620775574 975358 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then look at the sky: it seems it’s changed by different hyperbolic transformations in different ways, I mean its own symmetry group is also the same O⁺(1, n) — as it seems. So what geometry is that? It’s not hyperbolic, this thing is compact < 1620775678 407373 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s not euclidean either (we might think that based on it being an “apparent” limit of concentric/parallel horospheres, the other being their center/end; horospheres by themselves are euclidean) < 1620775813 716737 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s not elliptic too, as there are too many symmetries. I bet a physicist will say something conformal something, though barring the case of 2D absolute where, as we know, there are too many conformal transformations (thanks to complex numbers IIRC), but maybe it should be called an inversive geometry or something?.. < 1620775977 508104 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, are there some remnants of metric structure left after all that? It had angles but they got garbled by lorentzian boosts. But something should have remained. Well I fear what remains is exactly that unfamous riemannian conformal structure, which means the riemannian metric upto (uniform) scalings < 1620775995 266663 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I’m finished now! < 1620776009 804919 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hoped someone would find this reading interesting < 1620776019 469913 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches a bit of https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/moebius8.html < 1620776111 410202 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e wow this is really watchable < 1620776114 571501 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's called moebius because translations in that particular model of the hyperbolic plane are moebius transformations) < 1620776136 981266 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep yep when we lay that all in ℂ we get those! < 1620776457 415132 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that note, did you know they LIED to you in the kindergarten by naming both euclidean translations and hyperbolic translations the same word? They are totally different things! Horolations are the same as translations, and hyperbolic translations are this new element we get by lowering the curvature, analogous to how we get translations when we move to euclidean space from elliptic space where there are only rotations. And then rotati < 1620776457 564835 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :on groups stay the same all the way, likewise with euclidean translation groups which continue their life as horolation groups. And hyperbolic translations have very lonely one-dimensional existence. As soon as we combine two different ones, the group grows to include other types of transformations. Which is good but we were doing classification < 1620776537 269415 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how I can sound crackpotish by saying all that and still it would be perfectly mathematical, just a bit obscure and special, and not too interesting or new to be discussed widely < 1620776598 305084 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I *like* to say that euclidean lines are one-ended. That’s, how to put it, rebel-y? hm not that < 1620776706 557336 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I don't know what you just said. I do know that actually achieving the tiling was not nearly as pretty as it is in Euclidean space. < 1620776752 231223 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I like to call euclidean geometry names, namely “degenerate”, which it is because it’s parabolic, and more graphically, that group of its similarity transformations is bigger than its isometries, which for both other constant-curvature riemannian space types, is not so < 1620776779 254570 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: do you mean, numerically? I think yes there are problems which would crop up no matter how do you calculate < 1620776845 691093 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if we are to use unbounded rationals, then they would grow too fast, I presume < 1620776910 98241 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can cheat in the margins :) < 1620776927 641508 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: did you use coordinates, and then which ones? Though now I think you meant achieving no harring gaps was a hard thing, and I agree it should be, probably < 1620776956 974050 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah margins are that thing, I heard some people cheating at them too, and also again perfectly reasonable < 1620777034 325734 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: My coordinates are complex numbers in the unit circle. And given a target point I'm just shifting it closer to the origin 17 times (magic number?) and everything too far away will be black, I think... < 1620777079 170771 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a massive cheat :P < 1620777136 860236 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also did I tell that hyperbolic space is really scary? I seemed to manage to realize one pretty scary group as its isometries. The group where you wouldn’t return close to home if you make mistake in de-applying just one element. I don’t remember the definition exactly) < 1620777183 194944 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yeah, I should have realized they are complex numbers, you plainly mentioned Möbius transformations before and I even nodded < 1620777259 870232 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/moebius8_3s.html is what I'd get with 3 instead of 17 steps... it's cut in its own way, I suppose < 1620777289 106531 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: how do you paint a pattern on the tiles, do you just slide a tile on some image or do you generate things in more complex ways? < 1620777374 460849 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes a sector out of https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/moebius.png... and that sector is slowly rotating which results in the kaleidoscopic(sp?) effect < 1620777382 818277 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :moebius8_3s.html looks very strange. Now I know I imagined your algorithm a wrong way < 1620777412 393558 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, it looks strange to me, too :P < 1620777421 937871 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: oh, just like that easy, whew < 1620777465 645798 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :may I draw an alternative circle for you later this day (when I’ve slept)? < 1620777482 377118 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :with more acidity < 1620777490 183423 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how it would be called < 1620777525 479873 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: you can copy the html file and play around with it yourself :) < 1620777539 525815 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that easy < 1620777549 547972 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely should < 1620777570 58948 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just loads a moebius.png file as a texture relative to its location < 1620777613 437435 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the shader code is included in the html[1~[3~[3~[3~[3~ < 1620777633 266901 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice job, irssi < 1620777653 480311 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for company as always. I should be active in the channel in earlier hours < 1620777653 695721 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you write originally? < 1620777778 494309 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also do you maybe know any tutorial how to stop being afraid of modern JS and write neat little browser things like a sound generator which uses FFT. Oh. FFT on JS. I better un-ask that entire thing back < 1620777786 996633 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I wrote the text, but then I wanted to edit something... the [1~... stuff is all VT100 keyboard codes minus the escapes < 1620777860 104402 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was lagging (yes, in 2021) and pressed 'return' and irssi somehow stops interpreting keys when it sees a return in the same packet, or something like that) < 1620777920 388337 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. Anyway have a good time of morning! < 1620777922 484925 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, I can't really help with modern JS... I've not progressed beyond fairly simple self-contained code. < 1620777941 959965 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anything that would involve libraries... I don't know anything about. < 1620777952 237942 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m just afraid of JS because it’s inherently badly designed :( < 1620777968 269929 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I think it's not so terrible < 1620777981 280288 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope < 1620778001 927944 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DOM gives me nightmares, JS is just a relatively straightforward prototype based language... note that's a few versions back < 1620778080 416926 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recently they've changed to something that is closer to classes and are adding modern stuff like closures. And then they're transpiling it to something browsers can actually run, or so. And while you're doing that, why not add types? So you get stuff like TypeScript. < 1620778088 246968 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of which I know exists but haven't touched. < 1620778120 80821 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a class block now, although I still think the prototype-based inheritance is better, in my opinion. < 1620778215 318065 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Regardless, I'd disagree that it was badly designed :P You just have to realize that it's a distinct programming paradigm from the usual class-based OO. And yes, it's mostly untyped and fairly dynamic so you can get yourself into a terrible mess very easily. < 1620778271 544005 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620781269 990642 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620781533 62867 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620782651 988765 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm < 1620783188 850684 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jebgsafpndujiwtn QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1620783450 846053 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now wonder how did I know about that Minsky CVE report before it got to this channel < 1620783639 170932 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :HN featured it. < 1620783690 597973 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/ < 1620784516 888562 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620784811 817674 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1620785186 692295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@silicon.int-e.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620785431 702130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric > 1620789921 917821 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:ColorfulGalaxy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82867&oldid=82663 5* 03New Army 5* (+159) 10 > 1620789955 244294 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:ColorfulGalaxy/Google mirror14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82868 5* 03New Army 5* (+24) 10Created page with "Where is the google logo" > 1620790851 585337 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy/Google mirror14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82869&oldid=82858 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (-42) 10 < 1620790987 957911 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl 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< 1620816631 458185 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620816666 830678 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620819038 594113 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620819328 556535 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620821253 647098 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1620821684 639023 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1620822007 534996 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: hm it seems both firefox and chrome don’t want to load a local moebius.png < 1620822033 238176 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1620822033 434949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any messages < 1620822123 239771 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1620822384 654835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :file:/// can definitely be like that when it comes to loading resources. < 1620822392 78388 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But right... I remember vaguely that I set up a local webserver. < 1620822405 178464 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because battling the client became too hard. It's been a while :P < 1620822424 147371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I tend to go with `python3 -m http.server 8000` for playing around with HTML locally. < 1620822446 512500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It defaults to just serving the current directory.) < 1620822473 543405 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have apache2 *and* lighttpd running, isn't that fun :) < 1620822525 21832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have an nginx instance running as well, but it would require either configuring or remembering where its document root is, the Python thing is easier for one-offs. I've got the command aliased as `serve_http`. < 1620822561 242799 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"remember where the document root is" <-- ~/public_html is good enough ;) < 1620822585 629277 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but eh, we're firmly in personal quirks territory. < 1620822599 584697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old public_html. < 1620822664 645690 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see an error in the console: WebGL warning: tex(Sub)Image[23]D: Cross-origin elements require CORS. < 1620822664 862757 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so possibly it’s fixable?.. < 1620822688 536629 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :also thought that on file:// < 1620822706 691433 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: if you figure out how to provide a HTTP header with file://... < 1620822713 373825 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1620822733 501581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably you can't, anyway. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/CORS/Errors/CORSRequestNotHttp < 1620822751 443052 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah. I tend to go with `python3 -m http.server 8000` for playing around with HTML locally. => oh, that should come in handy! < 1620822754 195182 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, disabling cors seems to have no effect, so I suspect there's another hurdle down the road. < 1620822805 461621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to be clear, `python3 -m http.server 8000` may not be the best idea if you have untrusted local users and/or no netfilter rules or such restricting incoming connections. :) < 1620822807 81052 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, s/have[4~not help/ no effect/ < 1620822811 732756 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl < 1620822823 8738 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, s/have no effect/not help/ < 1620822861 170479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should've had the second s/// to fix the first one, they get more amusing that way. < 1620822978 369225 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1620822980 840017 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a language has easy syntax for a sort of string literal that isn't an expression that gives a string, but is just printed to the debug console when it's executed, what do you call that? "debug literal"? "debug comment"? < 1620823010 170746 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program can't otherwise access it, eg. can't take its length or index into it < 1620823019 911198 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah... I remember why I have two webservers... lighttpd came first and was meant for things like webgl that load resources through javascript; the apache2 came in later because I needed to figure out some mod_proxy/mod_rewrite shenanigans < 1620823021 729020 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : they get more amusing that way. => I did that with asterisk version a while ago < 1620823036 678196 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a literal in that most characters are interpreted verbatim in it in the source code < 1620823054 577832 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in passed to the debug console < 1620823076 776767 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I’d went with debug literal, looks transparent < 1620823104 134897 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fortunately, the first s/// didn't match anything :P < 1620823123 879779 :LKoen_!~LKoen@5.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620823185 946581 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620823233 253441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, toggling the privacy.file_unique_origin setting in Firefox *does* work. (Setting name from fizzie's link.) < 1620823253 41041 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tetrcihgsohjyxmd JOIN :#esoteric < 1620823255 652080 :LKoen!~LKoen@5.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620823300 520866 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I won't make that permamnent.) < 1620823432 956254 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620823465 14982 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonable! < 1620823521 978010 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620823591 867816 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1620823608 341873 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1620824204 858022 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620824459 819741 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1620824810 145540 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheese14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82870&oldid=82863 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+12) 10/* Bug Reports */ > 1620824955 905445 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Cheese14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82871 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+243) 10Created page with "==Bug Reports== ===Know Bugs As of Version [Alpha 1.3]=== *If a character or string is assigned to an integer only variable, which all variables in Cheese Squared are right n..." > 1620824966 492034 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Cheese14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82872&oldid=82871 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+1) 10 > 1620825033 798761 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheese14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82873&oldid=82870 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+14) 10/* Bug Reports */ < 1620825359 948070 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1620825506 437584 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sanscicondos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82874&oldid=82822 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+378) 10Added Teaser Tab < 1620827182 616834 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620827993 838903 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620828784 863065 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yes, not only two ends of a line, but a lot more missing points outside them. the projective plane is much more important to understand the structure of the hyperbolic plane than to understand the Euclidean plane, because there are much more real points missing. < 1620828875 347266 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it helps if you have a whole euclidean/hyperbolic space so you can see a euclidian/hyperbolic plane in it projectively < 1620828992 70804 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: erm I wouldn’t say they miss any points, just that they go two separate directions each on each side, instead of one < 1620829183 748378 :LKoen_!~LKoen@5.166.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1620830681 646258 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620830836 314808 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, can you be comfortable with tricks of light? < 1620830837 85144 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, firstly, it will have a board. you are quite right to tick off the progress of the agreement are now fewer in number but better equipped administratively and extended by means of their own quality control systems and provides for possibilities of appropriate action in the short term? a few years there has been a long time thinking about where the roots of the evil. we are aware, on 9 april for a deferment < 1620830977 560212 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620832212 261922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a Hitchhiker's reference to the bit about Hactar? < 1620832292 780077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'I have nothing to offer you by way of hospitality,' said Hactar faintly, 'but tricks of the light. It is possible to be comfortable with tricks of the light, though, if that's all you have.'" < 1620832568 108643 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :what part is it from? Though I read only a translation, and binged, so it all clumped together and is quite almost all forgotten now < 1620832688 352349 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW about hyperbolic conspiracy: I know how to call hyp. translations: boosts! Once again physics solves the question. Now we can be sure that we mean them and not euclidean translations, in one simple word < 1620832748 874259 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620833024 757708 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1620833063 435527 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes < 1620833559 250066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: Part 3. < 1620833583 69979 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1620833605 338713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the parts mostly because we had an IRC game on our channel that pasted a random (three-line?) quote from one of the books, and gave a point to the person who replied fastest with the number 1-5 denoting the correct book. < 1620833656 216217 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620833668 650300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although there's a few absolutely identical bits that were kind of a scow for that game. Specifically, the intro of at least books 1 and 4. < 1620833708 770305 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1620833948 908014 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this is from book 3 < 1620834012 856063 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620834085 743449 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you play that with Harry Potter too? there are a lot of quotes I had difficulty finding. < 1620834133 421762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, this was on #douglasadams over in IRCnet (a dead channel now), so it wouldn't have been on-topic. < 1620834179 807213 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't play that as a game, more like often people gave answers on https://scifi.stackexchange.com/ with Harry Potter quotes but no specific reference, and I tried to figure out where they came from so I can label them with the book and chapter number < 1620834219 822538 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and at one point I found out that there's one difference in the chapter division of LotR between the original and the Hungarian translation, so you have to be careful with chapter numbers there < 1620834285 383298 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: try this one someday: https://i.postimg.cc/qvv5SpVG/moebius-acid1.png IMO looks cool too, watching right now < 1620834663 583530 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620834984 287945 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I think one can embed a free group on n letters into an nD hyperbolic space isometry group O⁺(1, n). This is scary < 1620835005 927427 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :that other group I mentioned was a factor of this one I think < 1620835042 788027 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you do that with affine maps? < 1620835048 244525 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: embed as just a group, which isn't surprising, or like embed a discrete group as a topological group, which is slightly more surprising but I think it's still true? < 1620835051 597581 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1620835057 579037 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isometries in the plane, really < 1620835076 579050 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: basically you can just have a tree of triply-ideal triangles < 1620835101 783710 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or triply ideal polygons of n-1 sides if you wish < 1620835114 81061 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: hm what topology is on a free group? I thought discrete so then it wouldn’t add anything < 1620835128 134123 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: discrete, but it adds a constraint to the embedding < 1620835165 348079 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: otherwise it would be too easy to construct an embedding, even to the additive groups of reals, by choosing basis elements that are linearly independent over the rationals < 1620835257 977538 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make sense? < 1620835260 80937 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: I mean if you pick n different centers and n angles of rotations randomly I'd expect to get a free group almost certainly. < 1620835263 74887 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : or triply ideal polygons of n-1 sides if you wish => yeah, the partition by corresponding planes and hypercycles looks like that < 1620835280 429746 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm < 1620835287 682464 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the triply ideal polygon tiling might only embed a free semigroup < 1620835304 890378 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how exactly to embed a free group on n symbols < 1620835319 880739 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I expect it's also possible < 1620835360 930207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1620835404 156039 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm required to nitpick my own statements too, not only other people's, rather than wait for the other nitpicking algebraists later in the day when the channel has more traffic) < 1620835428 619172 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: I mean if you pick n different centers and n angles of rotations randomly I'd expect to get a free group almost certainly. => oh, interesting. Then I think I came to the question b_jonas stated, about topology, surely we can endow the free group with some topology which wouldn’t be preserved when going to rotation-induced group. Hm or not < 1620835456 355417 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yes, the discrete topology < 1620835512 519525 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you want an embedding whose range doesn't have any accumulation point < 1620835524 744445 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: take n orthogonal lines, have each symbol to correspond to a translation along each of the lines, large enough to make all this work < 1620835531 607282 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I’m correct of course < 1620835535 875448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( technically i'm an analyst [sp?] not an algebraist. ) < 1620835576 304642 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: um, this is for the isometry group of what dimension of hyperbolic space? I assumed a 2-plane but maybe I didn't pay attention < 1620835588 256805 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-dimensional < 1620835590 80010 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"isometry group O⁺(1, n)" < 1620835598 479916 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1620835605 482988 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that makes it easier < 1620835609 277758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this about amenable group because there totally was a part about that in my PhD < 1620835613 344563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1620835624 773137 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I guess you can embed at least a free group on O(n) symbols into it < 1620835632 41461 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure about n-1 symbols < 1620835640 123333 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should be able to embed larger free groups on k symbols through their embedding in 2-symbol free group though? < 1620835669 29864 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t remember how does one do that, like a ↦ a, b ↦ ab, c ↦ abb?.. < 1620835684 126857 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: hmm, perhaps < 1620835703 715572 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there such a thing for free groups, not just for free semigroups? < 1620835706 977734 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was shocked when I learned you can do that and that these groups are still not isomorphic. I even have forgot what’s the matter < 1620835711 361466 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there probabl is < 1620835760 51640 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it’s very alien to me. Group theory is a conspiracy! < 1620835781 832489 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yes, that ab^k thing should work. < 1620835806 492979 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if that somehow miraculously fails, ab^ka will certainly do the trick. < 1620835837 448849 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... no! < 1620835840 578493 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW we may blame octonions for some or all of sporadic groups, but can we blame complex numbers for non-Möbius conformal transformations of a 2-plane, and if so, for what things could we blame quaternions? < 1620835858 612837 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, in that case you can probably also embed any free group of finitely many generators into isomorphisms of the hyperbolic 2-plane, based on a tiling with quadrangles with all vertices ideal < 1620835887 506627 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: at least I don’t remember seeing how to prove it works, if it is < 1620835889 857555 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one fails, duh. abba a^-1b^-1a^-1 abba = abbba. < 1620835915 455507 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hmm, needs work. < 1620835928 812901 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Infinite-order_square_tiling < 1620835954 680424 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ba b^-1 = baa a^-1b^-1 is a problem for ba^k < 1620836015 252430 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( the sequel of the game was named b a^-1 b a is you ) < 1620836070 786910 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next candidate: a^kba^k < 1620836100 728603 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620836117 685696 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that should do the trick. < 1620836155 416490 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope this doesn't get as difficult as embedding to Incident < 1620836295 95603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can embed 3 into 2, you can recurse, at least < 1620836302 373693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in case there's still trouble) < 1620836424 671146 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can just embed a free group on n symbols directly to hyperbolic isomorphism using a tiling with ideal 2*n sided polygons < 1620836617 108206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( and then you can prove banach-tarski in hyperbolic space ) < 1620836652 529243 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1620836740 466243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( that's more or less what "non-amenable group" means ) < 1620836923 495621 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you cannot provide HTTP headers with a file: URL then perhaps the problems that causes should be something to be fixed when making a new web browser program. < 1620837065 49059 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, whatever < 1620837171 649571 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620837313 93134 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, that's sort of like how you can fit two filled horocycles into a single horocycle, with a triply ideal triangle remaining, and all horocycles are isomorphic < 1620837324 974187 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trickier if you don't want any piece to remain < 1620837340 870443 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not by too much I think < 1620837464 809065 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how some digital washing machines or similar home appliances have a children's lock, where you have to hold a button, or two adjacent buttons, for a second to unlock the button pad, right? < 1620837490 444403 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1620837576 339185 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do these still work on small children? I sort of feel like the current generation of toddlers that grow up on smartphones will easily know that they have to long press the one or two buttons marked with the smiley in lock icon, so the locks won't work as a children's lock, only as a lock against accidental presses or cat typing. and you might not even be able to design a captcha that older adults can < 1620837582 327680 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :open without getting too frustrated but the toddlers can't < 1620837591 299770 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: some newer microwaves also have them < 1620837613 123785 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're needed because small children like to press buttons < 1620837615 981382 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I get the idea but I have no such appliance < 1620837643 49683 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they want to try all the buttons, so even if you give them a hundred other buttons, they will want to press the washing machine buttons too < 1620837692 94409 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old washing machine I have relies on (lack of) strength, the old-fashioned way < 1620837709 458852 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :strength can help, sure < 1620837750 190154 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also locks that rely on requiring a special tool, namely the dummy plugs you insert into mains electric outlets so that children can't plug anything in < 1620837778 633899 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hardest problem is locking stoves of course < 1620837824 35063 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are both physical solutions for that that cover the control panel or just the control dials, and digital ones, but at least one has a digital lock that doesn't even work as a cat lock, and I know because I managed to accidentally turn on my brother's electric stove < 1620837870 439670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks b_jonas for whiskers < 1620837938 36426 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't find them under all the facial hair < 1620837956 376849 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls a paper talking about whisker-compatible rules in higher-dimensional (2-dimensional, really) rewriting < 1620838015 572994 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can fit two filled horocycles into a single horocycle, with a triply ideal triangle remaining => wait, how? There is just one ideal point there, how would two of them share it?.. < 1620838076 547596 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: oh yeah, it's not a triply ideal triangle that remains < 1620838083 232876 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a section bounded by three horocycles < 1620838092 491706 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : open without getting too frustrated but the toddlers can't => reminisces of raccoon/bear-proof trash containers < 1620838098 64440 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, there's just one ideal point in it, shared by all three horocycles < 1620838107 846970 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, does that not work? < 1620838110 863860 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work < 1620838112 470569 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1620838113 579183 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1620838122 735532 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the construction is, sorry, that one is stupid < 1620838136 43309 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think that these functions to lock the controls on microwaves and other stuff is mainly useful to avoid accidentally activating them, since anyone who wants to activate it will find a way whether they want to or not, know or not how to do. < 1620838154 8156 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: ah yes. those might have the same problem. < 1620838181 435966 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some TV cable box will have the option to set up a password required for purchasing, which I had did to avoid accidentally purchasing anything, not because there is someone that we need to prevent from deliberately doing so. < 1620838266 544079 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, that's also a kind of parental lock, though I feel like that can also lead to the sitcom stereotype situation where the parent can't use the television, parental lock or not, whereas the toddler can use it and can factory reset it to reset the password < 1620838280 639169 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1620838312 525427 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grandma recently bought one of these modern TVs, and of course it's a smart TV with internet capability and everything, with a "netflix" button on the remote < 1620838356 342285 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I helped her set it up as a television but categorically refused to teach her how to use the internet part, just like I categorically refused to teach her the android phone that my family bought to her < 1620838392 882870 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought a proper grandmaphone, which she can use well, but it doesn't ring loud enough, and grandma sometimes can't hear it, whereas the smartphone does ring loud enough < 1620838447 216509 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to leave her in a situation where she doesn't have a working phone, but I also don't want to be technical support and teaching how the internet works and how not to do stupid things on the internet, < 1620838495 426106 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have to put my foot down somewhere, and a nice line is to say that I can tell her a few things about her windows computer, but I don't use a touchscreen phone or a smartphone and I don't think it's appropriate for her and so I refuse to help with that < 1620838714 976513 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do'nt like those smart TV either. In this case what I have is a cable box, and I don't really like it much, but that is what is required (although I am not the only one to use it; actually I don't use it much all myself as I don't watch television much) < 1620838817 857111 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : but I also don't want to be technical support and teaching how the internet works and how not to do stupid things on the internet => very relatable. My grandma has an android phone too, and she wants to be able to photo things and as she unfortunately lacks a suitable technical base model, you only can provide her step-by-step instructions and hope she won’t press something accidentally and get lost in the situation, though b < 1620838818 61351 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :less the home button, I said her it will quit her from anything, but no one wants to write anything down and I’m afraid she’ll forget the instructions due to lack of frequent practice and underlying models how it operates < 1620838819 434370 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620838843 939853 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620838861 48616 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: the problem is that the home button doesn't quit from everything. it quits from the application, but then you reenter the application and it's still in the same state. < 1620838934 888761 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: my mother actually got stuck in a loop of this when trying to teach my grandmother, with a state in the dialer she didn't realize how to quit. even my mother sometimes can't figure out how to use a smartphone, and she's much more flexible about learning new things, whereas my grandmother's hands are ill and so she also has difficulty operating a touchscreen, plus her vision isn't too good < 1620838940 864202 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :either < 1620838950 38788 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(she had a grandmaphone once, but then someone decided she needs more, and she agreed about wanting to photo things, and well…) < 1620838950 211903 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fair point, so then others telling her to backtrack several times gave her a better advice < 1620838990 923804 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad that she can use a grandmaphone, i.e. a non-smartphone with large display and large buttons. mostly. she can't figure out how to delete SMSes when the memory fills up, and doesn't bother with typing lower case letters, but I can deal with that < 1620839037 197866 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is actually great < 1620839055 836625 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :though won’t old SMS get deleted automatically usually? < 1620839070 663518 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: they don't. < 1620839078 844327 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1620839098 826388 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all the progress we had made :( :D < 1620839136 508055 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they could make that a togglable setting, if they’re afraid people would sue them for unconditional deletion of old data < 1620839657 357847 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :age is a lousy criterion for importance < 1620839785 854700 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: it's a grandmaphone. it doesn't have lots of extra togglable settings. it doesn't even have an option to back up the phonebook to the inserted SD card, so I just put all the numbers to the SIM card so I could back them up by putting the SIM card to my spare phone < 1620839793 676567 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm saying that because I've kept some of the earliest SMSs on my mobile phone; they have some account details related to the current contract. < 1620839850 576520 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a reason why the most common solution to running out of space is to add more storage ;) < 1620839915 511572 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : age is a lousy criterion for importance => true, so that the setting should be “don’t delete” by default, and also there should be a way to mark messages as important, so they won’t get deleted even when this is on < 1620840084 760448 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact plotting importance over age might result in a funny xkcd (in the usual style, with bumps explained as text) < 1620840094 829365 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :my cat is silly :( she rolls all her toys out of reach and then demands something unknown < 1620840127 644082 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: someone should write Randall :D < 1620840217 601941 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly lows as well "that time all messages were inquiries 'about your offer on Craigslist' because someone got their phone number wrong" < 1620842439 997178 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall such SMSes, but I have got phone calls to wrong number often. this is what you get when the phone number space is so small that mobile phone providers reuse your number if it's inactive for a year and a bit. < 1620842490 640384 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish we at least had a longer number space in addition to the current short one, so you can get both a short and a long number that are currently synonyms, but the long one is never reused. in the age of smartphones, nobody will care if phone numbers have three extra digits. < 1620842618 59168 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, is the government agency that divides the phone number space among service providers allowed that, mobile phone service providers could even charge extra for "short numbers" that are current full numbers, just like they current charge extra for memorable numbers and actual short numbers (3 to 6 digits without area code, starting with 1 these days, there used to be ones that start with 0 or 9 but I < 1620842624 153683 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :think they no longer exist except possibly unofficially some old emergency service numbers) < 1620842652 720150 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is better for that to depend on the area code or other prefix, so that current telephone numbers have the same length and so that it can be determined by the prefix. < 1620842686 699102 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sure, it would have to be in a few new area codes < 1620842931 303415 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also a lot of mobile phone accounts that need to have a phone number but almost nobody needs to know them except at the start to set them up: the ones used for internet access only in mobile internet modems, in POS terminals, and alarm systems. these could easily get just a longer phone number < 1620842978 46355 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with banks using SMSes sent to me as part of a multi-factor authentication system, I would really like to have phone numbers that won't be reused < 1620842985 441392 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially not so soon < 1620843178 834261 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620847175 527960 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620847412 101339 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1620847428 868157 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620847512 704984 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN 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:metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1620852827 908309 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620853083 433224 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1620853100 874083 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620854674 646930 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1620855614 96441 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Fpstefan 5* 10New user account > 1620856701 542825 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82875&oldid=82865 5* 03Fpstefan 5* (+201) 10 < 1620859508 893456 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1620862586 236396 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620862601 893766 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620863720 911686 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620864005 932444 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1620866041 644520 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620866291 848418 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620866320 576946 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620866321 604572 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1620866904 910974 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620867200 914389 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1620869596 63121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1620870181 844628 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620870342 957687 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620870428 782583 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1620870811 854791 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1620870826 865350 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620871083 218685 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1620871100 868091 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620871367 69989 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1620871390 794862 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1620871674 785098 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1620872578 236183 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82876&oldid=82758 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+1530) 10 < 1620872602 846182 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1620873066 731808 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620873411 588316 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620873693 604318 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1620873913 528058 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620874111 803335 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1620874125 878825 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620874383 416610 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1620874401 873552 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620874839 521077 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620874858 815725 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1620875563 872204 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620876186 814879 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Bye! > 1620876245 133541 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07A.R.T.I.C.L.E.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82877&oldid=82761 5* 03New Army 5* (-3) 10Removed useless URL escape < 1620876505 423524 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1620876779 945527 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1620876860 570917 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Zzo38/Programming languages with unusual features14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82878&oldid=52014 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+286) 10 < 1620877032 960925 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620877643 882985 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620877822 734168 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tetrcihgsohjyxmd QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1620877904 780569 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1620878011 878191 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1620878027 843933 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620878283 268018 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1620878298 965360 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620879696 775159 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620879703 923642 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620880878 972530 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620881053 330564 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1620881146 928693 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620882389 994662 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to write strange programming in TeX: \newcount\-\let~\advance\day0\loop~\-1~\day1~\mit\ifnum\-=3\-0Fizz\fi\ifnum\fam=5Buzz\rm\fi\ifvmode\the\day\fi\endgraf\ifnum\day<`d\repeat\bye < 1620883827 735354 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1620884124 945609 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620884372 956958 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620884426 804594 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620884501 85540 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620884504 140418 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1620884536 859700 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1620884752 978013 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620885150 782624 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620885286 777842 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620885566 164812 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1620885758 506018 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620886988 988055 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620893360 886396 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1620893373 734631 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620893522 762080 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1620897387 963708 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82879&oldid=82875 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+227) 10Added my introduction text. > 1620897676 319656 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DukkTap14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82880&oldid=79026 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+2) 10Amended some orthographic mistakes. < 1620902676 621832 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620908552 835358 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1620909135 60350 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620909260 278750 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1620909277 998372 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620909914 510807 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620910076 983707 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620910097 363247 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1620912880 514905 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheese14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82881&oldid=82873 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+37) 10/* Versions */ Edited the Alpha v1.3 section > 1620913929 898700 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:HelloWorld14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82882&oldid=80732 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+243) 10 > 1620914698 164386 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sanscicondos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82883&oldid=82874 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+162) 10 > 1620914768 161900 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sanscicondos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82884&oldid=82883 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+36) 10 > 1620914787 977238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sanscicondos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82885&oldid=82884 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (-46) 10 > 1620914800 483082 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sanscicondos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82886&oldid=82885 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+3) 10 > 1620914819 704502 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sanscicondos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82887&oldid=82886 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (-1) 10 < 1620915015 652478 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1620915025 901875 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StupidStackLanguage14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82888&oldid=82587 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+1) 10Inserted an apostrophe into characters in order to reflect its possessive case. > 1620915664 388626 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Iggyvolz 5* 10New user account < 1620915915 765561 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1620915940 444365 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82889&oldid=82879 5* 03Iggyvolz 5* (+243) 10Add introduction for iggyvolz > 1620915966 961682 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pyhton (sic)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82890&oldid=78846 5* 03Iggyvolz 5* (+0) 10Fix typo in program name (should be pyhton not python) < 1620916181 846934 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620916315 33591 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620916367 247063 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620916685 606947 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620916924 149741 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620916942 683171 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620918170 282368 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fkhouktirrkpcdzt JOIN :#esoteric < 1620918382 958361 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620918689 914991 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1620920367 555195 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Quit: Quittin'. < 1620920459 848716 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1620920777 569203 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1620920936 110139 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620921657 635273 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620921925 585424 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620922600 8419 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are both this channel web log viewers made from scratch by locals? < 1620922633 844895 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1620922646 938948 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking into converting some logs I aggregate from elsewhere to neat HTML and the only thing I've found so far is python tool with ugly CSS < 1620922789 7520 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1620922806 48905 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620922858 290244 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's strange that no one makes such tools, while basic chat logs format didn't change for decades < 1620923060 407756 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1620923076 38729 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620923886 377355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they are, yes. But I'm sure I've seen more than one tool like that. < 1620924145 747588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as full-fledged "web apps" go, there's at least that https://irclog.whitequark.org/ thing and that https://freenode.logbot.info/ thing, both of which have source available. Though if you just want the HTML conversion part, maybe those aren't too interesting. < 1620924329 854454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course #esoteric would hardly deign to use a service like one of those. If it's Not Invented Here, it's Not Any Good either. < 1620924389 697689 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could build some script to strip anything not said by esowiki bot from your logs and continously update that. < 1620924414 709211 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, doesn't mediawiki have RSS? < 1620924424 911410 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait nvm, I misunderstood what nakilon said < 1620924479 435144 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe // If it's Not Invented Here, it's Not Any Good either. < 1620924621 283503 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this one is ugly https://pypi.org/project/irclog2html/ this one has no example https://hg.sr.ht/~anelki/weechat-log-html this one also has no example but at least it's in Ruby and I saw the author somewhere https://github.com/renatolond/mirc_logs_to_html < 1620924673 609689 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and existing examples of IRC logs in web I see are ugly in proportion to their age < 1620924719 325444 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly people reinvent the wheel < 1620924731 931088 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if do CSS on my own it will be ugly too < 1620924789 319443 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSS isn't too hard to get right, if you're ever stuck just copy bits of this and bits of that from neocities pages. < 1620924801 876556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :While it's indeed unrelated, I think MediaWiki does have RSS and Atom formatting support for the recent changes feed, via the API, if anyone's interested. < 1620924809 974363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://esolangs.org/w/api.php?action=feedrecentchanges&days=7&limit=50&feedformat=atom and so on. < 1620924842 918318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The IRC thing goes through a different channel though.) < 1620924973 310690 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.logs are just text files, you could even do something like: cat mylogs.log | grep esowiki | [Whatever regex you need here] < 1620925029 671936 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use that as part of a cgi script, et voila. < 1620925077 633344 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, I'm dumb < 1620925086 748541 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to export twitch logs < 1620925096 884320 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can just take the real CSS from twitch website < 1620925116 699853 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even reproduce the HTML structure from real < 1620925475 794442 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: there are like four different channel logs for #esoteric probably saved with four different tools < 1620925478 872005 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`logs < 1620925482 70245 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :logs? No such file or directory < 1620925510 131910 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? log < 1620925511 760693 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#esoteric channel logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ https://github.com/KrzysztofSzewczyk/esologs/ < 1620925513 301552 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? exp < 1620925514 780421 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :exp? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1620925516 942124 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh indeed, I thought there are 2 but there are 4 in topic < 1620925607 739040 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is no longer saving more longs < 1620925615 657236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only two of them really do HTML conversions. < 1620926009 829781 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620926374 299021 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woaaahhhhhh https://github.com/nurupo/asm-irc-logger < 1620926452 766539 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, stalker.html! < 1620926461 47670 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, that's nice. < 1620926704 428548 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620927156 624727 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1620927956 917033 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :twitch irc is such a huge spam of JOIN PART (I guess they mean when people are switching to stream tab in browser) that it made 720KB of log in 50 minutes < 1620928550 811890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, the esolangs.org/logs stalker.html websockets thing has some hard-to-track bug which just hangs up the web server sometimes. I don't know if it's on my side or on the CivetWeb side. Should rebuild that one day with a newer version, it might have gotten fixed. < 1620928608 799506 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620928752 848076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1620928914 889234 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620929068 665021 :grimler32!~grimler67@pool-108-49-215-20.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1620929102 407124 :grimler32!~grimler67@pool-108-49-215-20.bstnma.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are There Any Al1ens Or T1me Travelers Here Today? Please PM me < 1620929115 866671 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm "Portal Reloaded" is pretty decent. (Portal 2 mod, requires main game.) < 1620929138 432778 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It features time travel as a game element, I wonder if that counts. < 1620929156 64758 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :grimler32: Wrong kind of esoterics, but I suspect we've told you that before. < 1620929221 883509 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1620929243 676671 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is "time traveling" in Talos Principle < 1620929368 577632 :grimler32!~grimler67@pool-108-49-215-20.bstnma.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill try that thanks < 1620929403 481325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time travelers will be here yesterday hth < 1620929466 54371 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm not interested in normal humans at all. If there are any aliens, time travelers, sliders, or espers here, please come and look for me. That is all!" < 1620929966 6990 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: I'm trying to remember... oh you could perform actions and then rewind time and do another set of actions with a second character as long as you didn't interfere with the first copy. < 1620930341 810041 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1620930395 841907 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1620930837 808433 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82891&oldid=82377 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+131) 10Added an implementation for the programming language Jaune. < 1620931193 177480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't Stephen Hawking once host a party for all the time travellers? < 1620931201 583755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By sending out the invitations the day after the party.) < 1620931370 829454 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620931929 983113 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone show? < 1620931952 31704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not. :/ < 1620932111 208568 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :would he have sent the invitation if anyone had shown up? < 1620932169 850171 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620932286 766886 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think time travelers host their own parties and they are too cool to care about parties organized in the present < 1620932307 620812 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :those parties are probably in the long past or long future, and possibly in distant space too > 1620932326 539301 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Jaune14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82892&oldid=78802 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+829) 10Added an EBNF description of the programming language. < 1620932565 578994 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620932742 487628 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine < 1620932882 653226 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620932908 646081 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1620932922 672355 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620933016 545053 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1620933179 807438 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1620933196 611076 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1620933415 841623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Zzo3814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82893&oldid=72369 5* 03Rottytooth 5* (+351) 10 < 1620933568 337031 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1620933973 131042 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FP trivia14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82894 5* 03Fpstefan 5* (+5576) 10Created page with "'''FP trivia''' is a [[pointfree programming]] language[https://wiki.haskell.org/Pointfree Pointfree - HaskellWiki.] Retrieved on 5. Jan. 2021[http://www4.di.u..." < 1620934203 770488 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which suits do you like? swords, rods, money, or cups < 1620934291 683027 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1620934468 627250 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FP trivia14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82895&oldid=82894 5* 03Fpstefan 5* (+37) 10 > 1620934586 786117 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FP trivia14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82896&oldid=82895 5* 03Fpstefan 5* (+33) 10 > 1620934748 391549 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FP trivia14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82897&oldid=82896 5* 03Fpstefan 5* (+38) 10 < 1620934995 509393 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the suit of interactive fiction is rods, I have been told; which one is the suit of esoteric computer programming, would you think? < 1620935158 721067 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is probably not money. Perhaps cups < 1620935170 408052 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because they are like cpus but weird) < 1620935238 941847 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620935251 829846 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620935490 553215 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK > 1620935891 214042 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FP trivia14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82898&oldid=82897 5* 03Fpstefan 5* (+104) 10 < 1620936208 588902 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1620936222 646711 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620936306 794798 :tromp_!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620936309 804665 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620936333 770129 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1620936406 665149 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620936432 11807 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: bells and clubs < 1620936449 557981 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's answer for what suits I like, not for the later question < 1620936480 58755 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1620936497 731640 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620936564 581354 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso QUIT :*.net *.split < 1620936575 79944 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso JOIN :#esoteric < 1620936647 550609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whistles and hammers < 1620936672 874098 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e as I remember your "prevous recording" was a hologram that could not move things around but could be used as you could jump on it's head or something < 1620936683 480650 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure esoteric programming has an associated suit, but try the major arcana 1: magician. < 1620936744 119907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds a little bit optimistic. on the other end, there's the fool. < 1620936746 216738 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: Yes, you could not touch it directly, but I think you could still take items away from it or block its path. < 1620936749 790884 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with items) < 1620936761 274769 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I misremember, it's been about 3 years < 1620936782 204028 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 years for me < 1620937108 579857 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1620937123 668161 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620937379 823940 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1620937395 632122 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620938536 711579 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1620938584 295181 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620939300 778195 :tromp_!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620939550 912321 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620940273 609549 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620941308 607529 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1620941324 649671 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620941880 343583 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1620941897 615064 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620942111 790074 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1620944191 710190 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620944446 675874 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620945660 11110 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi nice people bye! < 1620945676 274964 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi bye < 1620945923 787584 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1620947160 302609 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Zzo3814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82899&oldid=82893 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+248) 10Reply to question about interview < 1620948206 651062 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620948727 916225 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620949013 914010 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1620949025 618791 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620951058 591197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1620951295 150761 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, it works < 1620951319 342174 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas twiggle currently has 500 viewers < 1620951335 697978 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's what you get if you track all JOIN and PART https://i.imgur.com/QmlOux6.png < 1620951675 28105 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it starts with number growing yet before the stream started so it looks like there are JOINs without PARTs, maybe new subscribers, idk, twitch IRC is weird < 1620952015 876640 :tromp!~tromp@77.249.230.40 JOIN :#esoteric < 1620952300 821951 :tromp!~tromp@77.249.230.40 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1620956763 792038 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07AAEEEEEEEEEI14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82900&oldid=78180 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+25) 10Amended some orthographic mistakes. > 1620958051 439538 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82901&oldid=82857 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+243) 10 < 1620958495 643231 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620958753 559996 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1620961857 905258 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recently I read that apparently USB specification includes code numbers for different golf clubs. I looked it up; it has codes for iron clubs numbered 1 to 11, but only odd numbered wood clubs (there is no code for 4 wood). Also it says that the "VCR/TV" button selects the video source for recording, which is not what it means on any VCR that I have ever seen; rather, it controls RF pass through. < 1620961913 610170 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think that USB is not very good, and that other such as RS-232, IMIDI, etc is better.) < 1620962207 786004 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do they have codes for golf clubs? < 1620962214 397392 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1620962229 731921 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it for identifying controllers in golf simulator games? < 1620962242 629727 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1620962276 766586 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620962360 25991 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even so, most comptuer golf games I have played have a 4 wood club.) < 1620962531 767639 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1620963218 811489 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : /r/nongolfers < 1620963259 728725 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :added some other stuff https://i.imgur.com/08VQptn.png but found no streamers interested in it, lol < 1620963382 673689 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Obviously, you're not a golfer" > 1620963397 436888 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Voxvy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82902 5* 03Robolta 5* (+32) 10Created page with "I don't think this is an Esolang" < 1620963407 171882 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this nakilon > 1620963657 588564 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Voxvy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82903&oldid=82902 5* 03Robolta 5* (-32) 10Blanked the page < 1620964625 277899 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc analysing Twitch chat logs via their IRC interface < 1620964705 885070 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1620964991 817958 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1620965049 920456 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah neat < 1620965123 859518 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fkhouktirrkpcdzt QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1620967428 583187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Talk:Voxvy10]]": Author request: blanked by the only person with comments here < 1620967589 382635 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1620967953 847772 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1620968102 631850 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fun14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82904 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+724) 10Created page with "Fun is an esoteric dialect of JavaScript, which uses only function calls. To be more specific, a Fun program is a function call, where a function call is an identifier, follo..." > 1620968183 683120 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fun14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82905&oldid=82904 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (-5) 10/* Standard Library */ < 1620968204 785174 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1620968428 882305 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fun14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82906&oldid=82905 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+421) 10 > 1620968483 962886 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fun14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82907&oldid=82906 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (-4) 10/* Guidelines for Implementation */ > 1620968884 844705 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fun14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82908&oldid=82907 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+198) 10/* Standard Library */ > 1620968931 804027 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fun14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82909&oldid=82908 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+8) 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:metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621001291 287082 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iktbyznnjwficzkj JOIN :#esoteric > 1621001818 150288 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Jaune14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82919&oldid=82892 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+6767) 10Added an implementation of a Jaune interpreter in Common Lisp and a reference to a more sophisticated version thereof under my GitHub account. < 1621002761 539843 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1621003461 678337 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursaga < 1621003512 738282 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1621003810 362604 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621003827 425554 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621004081 805786 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621004096 371292 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621005053 453253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FlipJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82920&oldid=82762 5* 03Tomhe 5* (-21) 10temp=0 (temp is not needed anymore) syntax change < 1621005442 724607 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( You know a puzzle is hard when you invent new notation to keep track of the puzzle state. ) < 1621005852 882130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's really hard, the notation turns into an esolang < 1621006354 455740 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621006370 182925 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this is Recursed I'm talking about so the potential is there < 1621006410 467859 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's this add-on level set, https://recursed-ice-palace.github.io/ < 1621006492 91467 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621006617 994541 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the particular level was "The Well" which is one of the 6 "too hard" bonus levels from "A Day Out" (the box in the center of "The Ice Palace"). < 1621007021 792141 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been chipping away at those levels for a month now, wow. < 1621007410 327906 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621007427 450924 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621007445 76767 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :("the potential is there": https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.05131) < 1621007681 968326 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621007700 407694 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621008010 466385 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621008027 412295 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621008281 601717 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621008295 532725 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621010093 700550 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, can you explain why "we put liver into delivery" is a bad tagline for a package delivery business? < 1621010094 56410 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, i am sure they will make a clear appeal for asymmetry for the benefit of the baltic sea. i stopped a person who was insured for medical care in a member state seems to have chosen to get some light on this event. < 1621010422 807735 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. it's illogical; de-liver-y should be taking livers out, not putting them in. < 1621010434 503623 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like making a vacuum cleaner that doesn't suck < 1621010600 97925 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: no you very well cannot appeal to that. Jared Diamond's geographic determinacy theory was never adequately proved by randomized experiments, and most domain scientists don't agree with it. no matter how that one book shaped the popular consciousness, we shouldn't base our policies on it. we have expert witnesses to testify on this if you wish. < 1621010710 490467 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621010726 406342 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621010774 137992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What's a good livery for a delivery van? < 1621010774 294960 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, under our research and development, for enlargement requires a review of current legislation on committees to be amended and we will need more detailed information on this. < 1621010863 706256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By all means, let's set up a committee to investigate amending the current legislation on committees. < 1621010896 614829 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a programmers biggest dream: larger for-s. < 1621010922 309688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess strictly speaking it was the review of the legislation that was proposed to be amended, not the legislation itself. < 1621010967 104381 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a committee to discuss the proliferation of committees < 1621010982 148025 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621010982 255472 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: put it on the agenda... I mean in the topic? :P < 1621010986 459637 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2018-12-06.2573.html#d.2018-12-06.2573 < 1621010999 451056 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621011065 584909 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that particular topic has been embarrassingly long-lived < 1621011557 414918 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost a year. https://esolangs.org/logs/2020-05-21.html#lI < 1621011610 385308 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621011627 422047 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621011641 62722 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean the first part. The last log has moved in the meantime and we've had 3 people accidentally setting the topic without changing it.) < 1621011679 916725 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: where can I download IRC logs from the future? esolangs.org is giving me 404 not found errors. < 1621011680 417741 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, president-in-office of the council, whom i wish all the participants. the role of a universal public service: the right people to defend the basque country and fnord and consequently for the international community's patience is running out. i understand the position of the president of the commission, together with the g7 countries, the worst of them. < 1621011775 87159 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: install the client from http://math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/git-extensions then git clone https://github.com/KrzysztofSzewczyk/esologs/ < 1621011881 637569 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621011883 116759 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I messed up the command line when refreshing my local copy of the logs) < 1621011897 383694 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621012048 328294 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I don't think I want to read that. < 1621012056 455806 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might give me ideas < 1621012207 176635 :grimler32!~grimler67@pool-108-49-215-20.bstnma.fios.verizon.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1621012254 971539 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621012957 170483 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BeeScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82921 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+1373) 10created the page > 1621013355 516024 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Jaune14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82922&oldid=82919 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+5) 10/* Interpreters */ Update cat > 1621014245 835164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82923&oldid=82804 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+16) 10add BeeScript to general joke languages > 1621014384 669569 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82924&oldid=82923 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+0) 10moved BeeScript into correct spot for alphabetical order > 1621014472 259339 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:VilgotanL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82925&oldid=82449 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+31) 10add beescript < 1621014559 7444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I have no idea why, but I keep thinking the Arthur of your link is the King Arthur of legend. < 1621014625 901504 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1621014870 648885 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621014939 222295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know who arthur is but i do picture him as sir humphrey of yes, minister < 1621014995 933840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more plausible than my notion. < 1621015150 569364 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621015629 702473 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1621015831 809933 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621016157 10734 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BeeScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82926&oldid=82921 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+126) 10added hello world program > 1621016341 994886 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BeeScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82927&oldid=82926 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+46) 10minor addition > 1621016975 510967 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BeeScript14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82928&oldid=82927 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+68) 10add interpreter link > 1621017719 79825 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BeeScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82929&oldid=82928 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+14) 10change instruction names a bit < 1621020280 40281 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oerjan: I see < 1621022023 1043 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: and it deleted everything? < 1621022088 235438 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: only the stuff from the future < 1621022169 978720 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is now gone without trace, as if it was never there < 1621022209 727161 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1621023034 184808 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621023310 421678 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621023327 453376 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621023582 56000 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621023600 457978 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621023712 634890 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just read the page on feather, what's the mindboggling aspect of it? < 1621023960 873017 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the self-compiling bit? < 1621024131 710192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( the mindboggling aspect is that ais523 has never defined it clearly enough for anyone else to be properly boggled by it ) < 1621024139 638456 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621024247 682335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or put differently, the most mindboggling aspect is presumably in that part which he hasn't told anyone clearly about, because he hasn't completely figured it out himself. although last i heard he said he'd concluded is was basically impossible. < 1621024311 164789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again i didn't pay much attention for the last year or so. maybe i should recheck. < 1621024419 522649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the page hasn't changed since i last edited it < 1621024499 605253 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1621024501 804155 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The self compiling aspect is a bit unusual but it's been done before, even with non-esolangs. The OOP retroactive updates thing ais523 is cool, but not impossible either < 1621024504 625446 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :feather? < 1621024527 43252 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao fuck off that's my language. < 1621024528 792729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :chibi: the thing is that the retroactive updates apply to the self compiler as well < 1621024581 116160 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah? < 1621024625 877750 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So like, there's no clear bootloader? Or? < 1621024637 12734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an infinite tower of compilers, all the way down, and all can be retroactively updated < 1621024644 118927 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make a language change, it changes the previous changes. < 1621024678 807907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1621024732 734259 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is, A isn't satisfiable, because you always need something to interpret the language. < 1621024764 656773 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can write that interpreter in the language... and then use that to generate the interpreter for a particular platform. < 1621024810 868162 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, building a bootloader for the language would violate the specification, because that bootloader can't be retroactively changed? < 1621024833 783245 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :not from within the language, iirc. < 1621024861 94011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ais523 originally hoped it could still be implemented by a bootloader that implements the entire tower of compilers at once < 1621024917 681552 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I getcha, but I might also be dumb and just not entirely grok--Ooh, sorta like mascarpone? < 1621025266 528790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm already speculating more than remembering < 1621026015 902971 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1621026547 520587 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82930&oldid=82901 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+6) 10Test > 1621026549 798743 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82931&oldid=82930 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+20) 10Testss > 1621026572 768814 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82932&oldid=82931 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-16) 10Scary > 1621026630 824334 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fun14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82933&oldid=82918 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+801) 10Turing-completeness; cats < 1621026910 460161 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621026927 427539 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621027181 856736 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621027200 471434 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621027510 371505 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621027524 396136 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621027781 938935 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621027799 428884 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621030373 353453 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621031798 791996 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621031823 750234 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1621031899 75752 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1621032868 925442 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621033153 911353 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621035747 954888 :sech1p!~sech1p@188.146.33.17.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621035912 976613 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621036147 877891 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621036438 823475 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1621036867 877552 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621037141 824148 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1621037276 679898 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621037557 590281 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621038143 785107 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621038386 655753 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621041019 832458 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm < 1621041392 918070 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621041692 820678 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1621043109 651511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1621044639 647886 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621044916 560669 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621046132 357519 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I write a program (included in Farbfeld Utilities) to make tartan pattern, but currenly the thread count notation described at https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/threadcount is not yet implemented. For one thing, there are multiple RGB colours with the same alphabetic code, and I don't know what to do about that. Do you know how to do it? < 1621047477 862583 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iktbyznnjwficzkj QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1621048852 76476 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621049099 106089 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1621050498 774819 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Caenbe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82934&oldid=76256 5* 03Caenbe 5* (-71) 10 > 1621050576 794375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!aBF'14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82935&oldid=82519 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+52) 10In case this needed specifying > 1621050760 399636 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Affine Mess14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82936&oldid=76074 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+43) 10Slightly improved wording < 1621052097 538463 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621052379 533883 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621053572 78095 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1621054110 783854 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621061867 920210 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621063689 531099 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621066341 804043 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621066573 786939 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1621067451 937584 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621068653 937013 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621069104 657388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621069111 497566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, you've got me thinking about Feather again < 1621069116 752266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, there are two main hard parts: < 1621069178 358060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) it has to look like, from the point of view of any program running in the language, you can change the containing interpreter, or its interpreter, or its interpreter, etc. (this may mean retroactively inventing an extra layer of interpreters around the program, but that isn't really any harder than other source of retroactive change) < 1621069196 252194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) but much more complicated, you need to avoid retroactive changes immediately creating an infinite regress < 1621069224 672257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which I mean, say we add a new debug feature to the outside interpreter, the outside interpreter then replays everything it's done so far, but then it reaches the code to add the debug feature < 1621069263 293507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, somehow it has to skip doing that because the feature's there already: if it did the retroactive change again, and we recalculated what that did again, it would just lead to an infinite loop and the program would never make progress < 1621069321 647062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somehow, whatever technique we use to avoid the infinite regress has to work at every level of abstraction at the same time (including if the number of levels of abstraction we're simulating gets retroactively changed) < 1621069429 958393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and because retroactive changes involve replacing an older object with a newer one, we then need to take account of the fact that the technique we're using has to deal with objects that were created by interpreters which could have been in quite a different state at the time, or have since been changed to do something entirely different, or hadn't been tracking retroactive changes that have since been made < 1621069457 358097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all the sort of thing that initially seems like it should be easy, until you write it out and realise the scale of the problem (and how difficult it will be to even just define the problem) < 1621069559 926329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the multinational league for esoteric programming proliferation, protection, and protestation! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D https://github.com/kspalaiologos/esologs/ < 1621069566 760652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a typo in an URL in the topic andn obody noticed < 1621069624 191494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chibi: ^ > 1621069792 22140 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Feather14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82937&oldid=69966 5* 03Ais523 5* (+116) 10there is another Feather-related log now, so mention it here so that we can find it in the future < 1621069895 195787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps I'm the crazy/over-optimistic one for assuming it should be easy :-D < 1621070363 996090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1621070704 786438 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621070870 719411 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621070884 840719 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621079149 281997 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, by retroactively change the interpreter, do you mean redo all the computations? I thought you just wanted to replace functions and classes immediately for the computations going forward, even if the program already has first-class closures and stack frames from those functions or instances of those classes, such that you replace the code but keep the associated data like closure upvalues < 1621079155 237257 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stack frame temporaries and class instance members, and the problem with that was that you get uninitialized variables that the new functions or classes expect to exist and fulfill some invariant but the old functions or classes didn't yet have. < 1621080156 121514 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's why you don't want to do that in Feather, but retroactively recompute everything. < 1621080930 607190 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621081005 27010 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :But recomputing everything has its own problems. The outputs of the program might retroactively change, including error messages and prompts, and so the inputs might not make sense anymore. You'd have to rerun the entire external world too, with a time machine. < 1621081585 913978 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621081915 274888 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently you don't want to just be able to change any part of the code retroactively, you want to be able to change any object retroactively, though I'm not sure what that means, but in exchange you want objects to be immutable. < 1621081925 254063 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know that sounds silly.) < 1621081989 6474 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your primitive is changing the contents of an object retroactively, and you want to use this for changing code by changing objects that are interpreted as code? < 1621082564 928898 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1621082860 145562 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621082949 115234 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1621082949 550276 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1621083607 843291 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621085709 614918 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1621085716 595375 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jedgrei 5* 10New user account < 1621089819 169512 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xbpjbbtirknbijsk JOIN :#esoteric < 1621089938 11529 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1621090044 119580 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1621091956 588730 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621092634 6452 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621093056 92483 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621095378 407476 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621095647 341797 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621095924 853 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Affine Mess14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82938&oldid=82936 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+3) 10 < 1621096185 887296 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1621096294 758386 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621096457 964391 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621096475 353112 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621097029 208434 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621097045 447916 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621097359 886114 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621098871 268926 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.179 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1621099009 791656 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1621100010 928915 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621100047 974533 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621100310 930448 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621100899 378609 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a0030b702bc5b5d599b.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1621101064 599740 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1621101556 946788 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: thanks for mentioning Recursed, will try out, and that custom pack then too, hopefully < 1621101738 22207 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621102004 963093 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621102892 753300 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: heh I'm looking forward to the curses :P < 1621103015 256233 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: there will be ε₀ of them < 1621103030 69744 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if I manage. which I won’t) < 1621103183 202972 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: when you've counted to epsilon_0 you can proceed to well-ordering the reals < 1621103400 936538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Add-on levels for Recursed? < 1621103406 767094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard about this. < 1621103462 143968 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://recursed-ice-palace.github.io/ < 1621103505 164908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I saw now. I guess I shouldn't have used the question mark. < 1621103586 467810 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they didn't exist when we got into Recursed. I only discovered it because I revisted the game to finally reach 100%. < 1621103746 779084 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Before that I was missing 6 gems (3 amethysts, 2 rubyes, one diamond) in the Last Tapestry) < 1621103757 131699 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubies. < 1621103772 455791 :ghosthell!~ghosthell@pool-173-48-112-26.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1621103776 718151 :ghosthell!~ghosthell@pool-173-48-112-26.bstnma.fios.verizon.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1621103862 832492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the latest updates in int-e style puzzle games? < 1621103939 207476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was it, really. I played Portal Reloaded which was fun too, but not all that hard. < 1621103973 123393 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I still have not completely expedited the monsters. < 1621104019 378350 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I could, I could! < 1621104119 430011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, did you play Vertebrae? https://www.puzzlescript.net/play.html?p=ce2474f62432e2a703bba3fb65f5b01f < 1621104142 1591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember whether I mentioned it here. < 1621104439 815363 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you've mentioned it. Hmm. "insert cartridge" < 1621104519 123086 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it works in a fresh browser profile, sigh. < 1621104783 626090 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621104857 918747 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621104876 347860 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621104956 159239 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is there supposed to be more than one level? < 1621105095 644276 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now it works? weird. < 1621105129 622529 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621105146 474704 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621105271 6968 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ahh, I see now, yeah. < 1621105368 876145 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw a paper floating around that was about reducing compiler stacks in the context of something like JVM into Python into LLVM into x86 < 1621105442 930483 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that's the same sort of deal would work for a meta compiler < 1621105457 869770 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621105472 410697 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621105729 530159 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621105746 316329 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621107782 855346 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "int-e style puzzle games" means? Have you tried to make up your own puzzle game too? < 1621107858 28282 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621107874 452639 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621108129 336194 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621108147 353244 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621108457 901573 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621108475 334104 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621108729 321975 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621108744 309787 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621108916 2227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean the kind of puzzle game int-e likes. < 1621109021 406253 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but which kind of puzzle games would that be? How would it be described? < 1621109056 379695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. I guess int-e is the expert, not me. < 1621109067 272804 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is probably correct. < 1621109226 950779 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh no, there's a fourth vertebrae < 1621109302 70227 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: usualy turn-based, minimalistic (relying on emergent complexity instead of tricky building blocks) < 1621109304 155688 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1621109308 543552 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*usually < 1621109354 131532 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow, block pushing is one of the most common ways to achieve that < 1621109457 502942 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: OK. I also like turn-based puzzle games < 1621109458 965226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Hmm, did you play Fidel? < 1621109468 130033 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1621109482 114198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's randomly-generated rather than hand-designed puzzles, but you might like it. < 1621109756 664585 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you played Gruniozerca 3 or Gruniozerca 2? (Unfortunately, not purely turn-based, but it mostly is) < 1621109766 476955 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Hero Hearts? < 1621109917 208426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now if you don't pick up the 4th vertebra and move to stage 11... do you lose? < 1621110065 263665 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621110165 796724 :5EXAAFHD7!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621110304 34050 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also like each level to be isolated from the others, and that you can try them in any order.) < 1621110783 279304 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621112578 437111 :5EXAAFHD7!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621112614 838383 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621112720 738326 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wee I got crushed < 1621112803 658883 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a0030b702bc5b5d599b.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1621113361 590052 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like that too, or don't? < 1621113635 521590 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/v11.png is impossible ;) < 1621113656 790279 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm giving up) < 1621113667 831464 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1621113746 654631 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 1/2 hours is enough for a game that I didn't really intend to play :P < 1621113791 931189 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621113799 114681 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1621113966 499198 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but it is definitely cute < 1621113998 272170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember how far I got. < 1621114008 228979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently 11 is a popular one to get stuck on: https://twitter.com/zwegner/status/1275686437611020294 < 1621114057 859181 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah (obviously?) I was kidding... somehow, most game designers don't put unsolvable puzzles into their games. < 1621114161 592937 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fidel, Fidel... this one? https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fidel-dungeon-rescue < 1621114171 643605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, of course. < 1621114182 598490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's the one. < 1621114306 684757 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm indifferent to it, it was just a new part of the game mechanics to discover. < 1621114374 173528 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :potentially relevant to the solution... well obviously you don't want to get crushed yourself... but you might crush a vertebra and benefit from it < 1621114378 465259 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't want unsolvable puzzles in a puzzle game, but in other computer games, it might be suitable sometimes that some of the puzzles might be unsolvable (or puzzles where solving them makes the game unwinnable, etc). < 1621114407 164320 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hated the old Sierra adventure games for that :P < 1621114457 938123 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621114467 44022 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621114475 359802 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621114729 335980 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621114747 387905 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621114757 633341 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hmm, I suspect I enjoy handcrafted puzzles more... even when they have limited replay value < 1621114800 673307 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. i'm having a blast with more advanced sudoku variants < 1621115031 144617 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free Hero Mesh does not yet include the function to make randomly generated puzzles, although it might be something to be added in future, maybe. (For one thing, this would require knowing how the format for defining this should be working.) < 1621115087 239262 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, it isn't for games such as sudoku anyways; for puzzles like that, should be an entirely different program to make up such puzzles with constraints of filling in the puzzle; it is a different game.) < 1621117219 458710 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: funny, vertabrae level 7 is different on itch.io < 1621117694 210955 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/v07.png (itch.io version is on the left) < 1621117763 918630 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and may require the same trick that I failed to find on level 11 :P < 1621118057 950341 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621118075 490852 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621118629 350553 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621118647 497437 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621119473 537943 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :made a small gift of Recursed to my friend, as it costs almost nothing right now < 1621119626 1741 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1621119727 991183 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :today was an exhausting day for my poor psyche. I struggle to sokoban my immediate surroundings into good place but it’s nigh impossible with too many knots of various kinds, social, technical, logistic. Ended up just simply dewooling a sofa of cat fur. That wasn’t immediate at all but it ended up simplest of all, as it needed just me and a brush, and not being perfectionist as that’s one of the favorite places for my cat anyway < 1621119802 554368 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it wasn’t as satisfying as fixing major things would be < 1621119810 406645 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :define fixing major things. < 1621119832 33240 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many, I don’t want to force my life on you < 1621119839 663768 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :or my lack of life :D < 1621120344 343557 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621120667 496269 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a nutshell the general story is that I was prepared for a life which doesn’t happen (their models were poor and I don’t know how they got jobs and all) and then I was left, mal-adapted, with this, and I need to change myself somehow so that I can shamelessly write my résumé finally and get a work. But I can’t and I think I might have minor depression for a year or two and I can’t clean up all the clutter in the flat becaus < 1621120667 645136 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :e it’s not all mine and I can’t avoid hearing TV and it depresses and angers me and I think my knowledge is shallow, and I dropped out several years ago and don’t want to return and I can’t finish my own projects to place their code somewhere and a link to the future résumé and all the things, many details, I have almost no friends in the geografic vicinity, just friends outside but they couldn’t be able to help me with stu < 1621120667 645179 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff here and all topping it off I’m blessed with great myopia right from the start and I have a little endocrynal problem which maybe fixed itself somehow but I blame my lack of motivation on it. And this damn country is bad for people in statistical tails like me. I wonder how do people with real physical deficiences live here at all but this doesn’t help my case by any means. Maybe I was just unlucky too many times, I don’t know, < 1621120667 645210 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is hard to try to plot some course and make goals and all that now. I steer away from stressful things and résumé is stressful because it should ideally be blank and who wants me with a blank one, who’s interested in my unfinished understanding of hyperbolic spaces < 1621120737 575469 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I don’t think it will help anyone but I tried to express what it feels all at once, though it’s not unbiased and it shouldn’t ideally be logged but I knew what I did < 1621120827 436497 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can’t even prove to myself my baseline is not good as I’m quite often cheerful, and intend to continue that, but I have to solve all that at some moment and I can’t < 1621120885 177461 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these knots is I maybe could solve thing A and thing B if I solved things C and D but they are all interdependent < 1621120968 292252 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing with abstract mathematical things is way more forgiving < 1621121010 841624 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can stow them away and they don’t mind < 1621121021 989186 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to be sorry for this < 1621121070 33989 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need to be sorry for this? < 1621121301 818096 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621121497 592505 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :yyyyikes, I thought they were in academia and at least had some kind of refuge. < 1621121610 110373 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I have myopia, and my self confidence was shot for several years. < 1621121795 745390 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is complicated < 1621121821 744557 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard living life without any real-life friends. > 1621122173 389141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FakeScript14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=82939 5* 03JanMakuwe 5* (+1815) 10Created page with "'''FakeScript''' is an esolang created by [[User:JanMakuwe]]. The language was meant to be relatively easy to implement for both JanMakuwe and others who don't know much about..." < 1621122514 721766 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would thue look like with a modifiable rule store, I wonder. < 1621122533 90579 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621122557 962152 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621122573 354629 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621122824 78705 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1621122829 411321 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621122845 386325 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621123179 979757 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Struffoli14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82940&oldid=81064 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+16) 10 < 1621124472 176429 :les-citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :will the featured language never be changed? > 1621124540 816575 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82941&oldid=82917 5* 03JanMakuwe 5* (+17) 10Added FakeScript < 1621125229 877171 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621126137 400243 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1621126185 872541 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621128616 465331 :dbohdan!dbohdan@unaffiliated/dbohdan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621128670 398084 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@81.4.121.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621131304 159690 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :les-citrons: it got changed a year or two ago < 1621131883 905096 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would it take to feature another language? < 1621131911 542135 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any contenders for articles of quality approaching that of the currently featured? < 1621133186 523879 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatchu mean, thue is awesome. < 1621133870 967319 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621134124 926898 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621134820 256681 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1621137081 352967 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xbpjbbtirknbijsk QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1621138147 803825 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621140468 930970 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621140724 937359 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 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JOIN :#esoteric < 1621172423 537451 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621172440 628741 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621172536 596171 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Abyxlrz14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82947&oldid=79315 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (-50) 10 < 1621172752 181263 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621172769 618663 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621173023 688478 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621173041 633776 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621174852 306280 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-1523-141.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621176352 337615 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621176367 605700 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621176623 638465 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621176641 738259 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621177152 926186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1621177631 113896 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621178534 586030 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Modulous14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82948&oldid=79324 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (-2326) 10 > 1621178740 316629 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Abyxlrz14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82949&oldid=82947 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (+100) 10 < 1621179254 867172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1621179672 279142 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vnzmonwkhmlwwzsx JOIN :#esoteric < 1621180966 865939 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621181016 839814 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-248-102.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1621181949 171502 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Excess Flood < 1621181968 815817 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1621182985 653988 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621183498 399967 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00994eae699d6833c6.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1621183600 101420 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621183733 95814 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Modulous14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82950&oldid=82948 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (+54) 10 < 1621183849 99004 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1621183892 381322 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Modulous14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82951&oldid=78504 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (+161) 10 < 1621184128 604819 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QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621188969 647846 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621189068 910044 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1621189223 490666 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621189240 714272 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621189994 644194 :ghosthell!~ghosthell@pool-173-48-112-26.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1621190280 456735 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621190597 963560 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621190900 338087 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1621191661 714374 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621192939 429968 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Modulous14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82952&oldid=82950 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+99) 10 > 1621192971 70293 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Modulous14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82953&oldid=82952 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-1) 10/* Interpreters */ > 1621193333 868481 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Modulous14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82954&oldid=82951 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+435) 10 < 1621193350 790029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric > 1621193356 897404 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Modulous14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82955&oldid=82954 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+81) 10/* Questions */ > 1621193705 602280 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82956&oldid=76538 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+58) 10/* Implementations */ > 1621194862 506639 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[076-514]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82957&oldid=75999 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+176) 10 > 1621195100 784947 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82958&oldid=82956 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+10) 10/* Implementations */ < 1621196073 577127 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1621196578 950684 :maddoc74!4597da30@69-151-218-48.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1621196652 280760 :maddoc74!4597da30@69-151-218-48.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all! I wrote a brainfuck interpreter as a fun lil side project, and am trying to run the "Conway's game of life" program, but it has parentheses instructions. Are these a common extension? What do they do? < 1621196679 667694 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that isn't a valid instruction should be ignored. < 1621196701 586369 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this. possibly added by the dev to get some structure in the code or something < 1621196712 703227 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my goto test is the brainfuck interpreter in brainfuck < 1621196725 794053 :maddoc74!4597da30@69-151-218-48.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I've been terminating the program when it sees something it doesn't handle < 1621196737 529260 :maddoc74!4597da30@69-151-218-48.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes my life much easier! < 1621196745 458558 :maddoc74!4597da30@69-151-218-48.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks! < 1621196829 450642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of brainfuck programs contain "comments" (just arbitrary text), so it's a good idea to support the non-instructions-are-ignored property. < 1621197192 533036 :maddoc74!4597da30@69-151-218-48.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would ya look at that: https://i.imgur.com/FO9Cd7e.png < 1621197192 988176 :maddoc74!4597da30@69-151-218-48.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazing! < 1621197310 680246 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1621197687 236966 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-11-208.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great! < 1621197701 361276 :creative-coder!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1621197701 858990 :creative-coder!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1621197775 41683 :creative-coder!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1621197775 331998 :creative-coder!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1621197794 737860 :maddoc74!4597da30@69-151-218-48.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1621197900 371336 :Horst!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1621197900 606498 :Horst!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1621198412 851135 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621198860 326691 :harha_!~harha@ns356919.ip-91-121-144.eu QUIT :Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in < 1621199036 129548 :harha_!~harha@ns356919.ip-91-121-144.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1621200294 372068 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621200460 768118 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621200734 769846 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00994eae699d6833c6.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1621201928 409440 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621202051 761066 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621202152 290416 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621202168 750278 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621202189 959016 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621202423 866211 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621202438 633050 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621203149 896595 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621203578 399087 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1621203616 533214 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621203618 90888 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :my Brainfuck explorations ended up with a simple bytecode compiler-and-interpreter which used an opcode with a multiplicity for +…+, -…-, <…<, >…> and also precomputed jumps for [ and ], and I think that was all I thought was interesting :D < 1621203760 249659 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: you could attack balanced inner loops, where "balanced" means that the body doesn't move the pointer < 1621203816 822704 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[>+<-] --> data[1] += data[0]; data[0] = 0; ... potentially with a sign check for data[0] depending on wraparound. < 1621204018 854383 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621204058 590598 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: good point! > 1621204067 347460 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!aBF'14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82959&oldid=82935 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+29) 10Can't remember why I didn't apply this cat initially; maybe I forgot? > 1621204171 403167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fun14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82960&oldid=82933 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+116) 10 > 1621204260 243644 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82961&oldid=82958 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+125) 10/* Implementations */ > 1621204299 194355 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!aBF'14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82962&oldid=82959 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+34) 10Possibly better wording < 1621204549 868291 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1621209116 827073 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1621210401 794314 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1621210487 82078 :g6636ue47!2fdafd51@47-218-253-81.bcstcmta04.res.dyn.suddenlink.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1621211108 874083 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621211318 904675 :g6636ue47!2fdafd51@47-218-253-81.bcstcmta04.res.dyn.suddenlink.net QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1621211351 849426 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621214355 647973 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621214635 561370 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621214654 683434 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm < 1621216168 841839 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1621216212 935042 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621217037 803629 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82963&oldid=82932 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+148) 10 < 1621217219 302600 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-248-102.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1621219488 304476 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Suffolk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82964&oldid=75928 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+90) 10/* Implementations */ < 1621220515 603666 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621220543 955592 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621220576 531235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07!aBF'14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82965&oldid=82962 5* 03Caenbe 5* (+104) 10May as well mention this at the top for completeness, I guess < 1621220773 580531 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621220988 83827 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621221021 579360 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621221104 238662 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vnzmonwkhmlwwzsx QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1621221158 760454 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621221278 797919 :tromp_!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621221401 832149 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621221403 332057 :tromp_!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621221433 785342 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621221613 968713 :tromp_!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621221614 117120 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621221881 802748 :tromp_!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621222018 773443 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621222050 449617 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621222066 897731 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN 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:metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621225391 389797 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1621225511 794558 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621225621 874448 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621225639 923505 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621227139 137781 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem NICK :sprock > 1621227837 717737 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Modulous14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82966&oldid=82953 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (-16) 10 > 1621227915 296316 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Modulous14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82967&oldid=82966 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (-3) 10 > 1621228085 695440 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Modulous14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82968&oldid=82955 5* 03Abyxlrz 5* (+258) 10 > 1621228098 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02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82983&oldid=82943 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+85) 10added updated sanscicondos signature > 1621252826 31834 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07HelloWorld14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82984&oldid=75001 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+139) 10/* Compiler */ > 1621252928 592348 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheese14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82985&oldid=82881 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+82) 10/* Bug Reports */ updated signature > 1621253116 944366 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Cheese14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82986&oldid=82872 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+484) 10/* Discussion */ added the firt dicussion post > 1621253219 26730 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Cheese14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82987&oldid=82986 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+52) 10/* Know Bugs As of Version [Alpha 1.3] */ < 1621253748 170967 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sydhbolmzgdlxhuf JOIN :#esoteric > 1621253806 188288 PRIVMSG 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QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621271829 657838 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a009cf9697881694994.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621271877 823564 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621271895 819566 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621273345 405611 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00ad8da624e122913c.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1621273433 637051 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621273505 651279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1621274090 520233 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.179 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1621274208 854938 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621275024 391138 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Sanscicondos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82993&oldid=82991 5* 03Ais523 5* (+322) 10what's the source for your images? < 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:metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621281222 695639 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621281256 781004 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@128-124-105-17.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1621281477 565454 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621281491 721187 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621282368 818583 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1621282768 994281 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621283058 420442 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Minifuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82996&oldid=20057 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+125) 10 < 1621283242 578773 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1621283269 513460 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Minifuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82997&oldid=18965 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+159) 10 > 1621283290 604445 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Minifuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82998&oldid=82997 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+82) 10/* Cat Program */ > 1621283811 223271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82999&oldid=73146 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-2) 10 > 1621284368 370628 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83000&oldid=82974 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+15) 10/* Implementations */ < 1621284573 9950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist 1234 < 1621284574 931217 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1234.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1621284988 533616 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621288348 284037 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot JOIN :#esoteric < 1621288567 872765 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621289641 933522 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00ad8da624e122913c.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” > 1621290976 463066 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stax14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83001&oldid=77982 5* 03Cameron 5* (+148) 10 < 1621291730 772137 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621291800 125626 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1621293467 485970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I was wondering why recent channel logs were taking a lot more space than the older ones. "Surely the channel can't have become *more* active lately?" Turns out it's because the brotli command-line tool no longer accepts `--quality 11` as a flag, but requires it to be specified as `--quality=11`, causing the weekly batch compress job to stop working. < 1621294547 631456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1621294714 83173 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh another satisfying solution in the Ice Palace... always fun to discover a new trick. < 1621294865 652649 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitter sweet... I should've found it sooner :P < 1621297471 613476 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621297748 568719 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1621300020 275124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83002&oldid=82562 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+243) 10/* Computational class */ Updated the underload-to-wdigpcras program to be shorter, and added a wdigpcras-to-underload program < 1621301585 972171 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621301874 962060 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1621302825 475449 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FlipJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83003&oldid=82920 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+369) 10/* The Assembly Language */ - add segment+reserve syntax < 1621304843 870290 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621305101 796485 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621305224 605055 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1621307604 781029 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621307734 340401 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sydhbolmzgdlxhuf QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1621307846 671735 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621308907 952898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite > 1621310260 997704 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Clockwise14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83004 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+733) 10Created page with "==Cat Program== How is the cat program supposed to work? I don't think it's possible to create one in this language because it is impossible to enter a loop and output the sam..." < 1621310874 863968 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621311071 811262 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83005&oldid=83000 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-10) 10/* Implementations */ > 1621311119 433307 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Bit~14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83006&oldid=76535 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-4) 10/* Implementations */ < 1621311126 656660 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621311328 931857 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EXCON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83007&oldid=76277 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-61) 10/* Interpreter */ > 1621311348 307835 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BF-PDA14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83008&oldid=76306 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-1) 10/* External resources */ > 1621311374 161574 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Suffolk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83009&oldid=82964 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-1) 10/* Implementations */ > 1621311411 658758 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RAM014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83010&oldid=76006 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-1) 10/* Implementations */ > 1621311436 889524 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BFStack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83011&oldid=75996 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-1) 10/* Implementations */ > 1621314091 932905 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03HellishBro 5* 10New user account < 1621314119 931275 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621314382 739770 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83012&oldid=82983 5* 03HellishBro 5* (+215) 10/* Introductions */ < 1621314419 852733 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1621315433 164376 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think that it can be suitable to check argv[0] to activate/disactivate "portable mode" (not installing files in home directory or otherwise common locations), if there is also some other method for overriding this decision? < 1621315528 903441 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621315807 689043 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what the C standard has to say about argv[0] but iirc it isn't a full path, right? < 1621315860 960732 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it isn't normally a full path, anyways. < 1621315930 205600 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :on unix it can be anything < 1621315954 272545 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :execve(2) takes the path of the executable and the whole argv including argv[0] separately < 1621315990 615650 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact you can exec with argc == 0 and therefore no argv[0] < 1621316001 712381 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :a great many programs will segfault if you do that < 1621316015 703081 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if it's allowed by C or POSIX standards, but you can do it in practice < 1621316062 738137 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Linux you can get the actual exec'd path from /proc/self/exe < 1621316084 726605 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there may be cases where it no longer exists, or never existed in the path namespace of the resulting executable < 1621316092 187961 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/executable/process/ < 1621316121 155798 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I think argv[0] is usually whatever is typed in; so, if it is in the PATH then usually the path is not typed in. < 1621316357 90173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual executable file name is also available in AT_EXECFN < 1621316374 483339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess (char *) getauxval(AT_EXECFN) < 1621316747 786795 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no man page for "getauxval" on my computer < 1621316804 974456 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have it < 1621316814 976455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you running Linux? < 1621316827 147271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of using getauxval, you can get the aux values directly from the stack at process startup. < 1621316849 380521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes argc, argv, envv, auxv < 1621316854 76554 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a look at busybox < 1621316861 975808 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a ton of aliases that all call the same program < 1621316875 958165 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the alias becomes arg[0] < 1621317027 610701 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, other programs do that too (not only busybox). But, it isn't quite what I meant. Rather, what I meant is that if other options do not override it, it check if argv[0] has a slash; if so, then use portable mode; otherwise, look for configuration files in the home directory. I can also add a command-line switch to disable portable mode and a special environment variable to force portable mode with a specific directory. < 1621317063 396813 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash exec lets you specify argv[0] explicitly (via -a) < 1621317072 875951 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash -c 'exec -a foo ls -?' < 1621317075 665229 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes ls think it's named foo < 1621317101 797461 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that can be useful sometimes in case the program cares about argv[0] < 1621317109 550093 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure if there's a way to exec with no argv[0] without writing a custom C program < 1621317227 225179 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently on Amiga clicking on the program will set argc=0; argv is filled in if you type in the name of the program < 1621317323 937781 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1621320489 32306 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621321059 639414 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621321088 813689 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621321634 885538 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1621325200 758156 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1621325397 758960 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621326038 853063 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00c5d4c5917c5d748f.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1621326208 608516 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621331971 172183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :argc == 0 is allowed by the C standard, though arguably (no pun intended) it would be "more correct" to set argc == 1 and make argv[0] the empty string if the implementation knows about program names, but the program name just doesn't happen to be available: https://0x0.st/-jdX.txt < 1621331979 650635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C11 5.1.2.2.1p2) < 1621332205 446381 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621332283 889192 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621332669 415120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once got this message from Donald Knuth: < 1621332681 979286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A few minutes ago I spoke with Ken Thompson. He confirms that he and his colleagues never wanted argc to be 0; and he agrees with me that the authors of C89 should not have allowed that case to be legal. He is pretty sure that Plan 9, in particular, always ensured that argc>=1, by supplying a default environment if necessary." < 1621332775 605930 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621332900 162537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appeal to authority. ;) < 1621332910 16210 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he messaged you? < 1621333136 540860 :spruit11!~unknown@86-82-44-193.fixed.kpn.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1621333145 650999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX rationale has a bit about how it originally required >= 1, but since ISO C said 0 is okay, they now only say it "should" be one (but a "should" is a binding requirement for a strictly conforming POSIX application). < 1621333158 605052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Early proposals required that the value of argc passed to main() be "one or greater". This was driven by the same requirement in drafts of the ISO C standard. In fact, historical implementations have passed a value of zero when no arguments are supplied to the caller of the exec functions. This requirement was removed from the ISO C standard and subsequently removed from this volume of POSIX.1-2017 as < 1621333160 474168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:41: error: :1:41: error: parse error on input ‘of’ < 1621333164 607022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. The wording, in particular the use of the word should, requires a Strictly Conforming POSIX Application to pass at least one argument to the exec function, thus guaranteeing that argc be one or greater when invoked by such an application. In fact, this is good practice, since many existing applications reference argv[0] without first checking the value of argc. < 1621333171 773854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: Sorry, that wasn't for you, I forgot. < 1621333220 560535 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any implementation that can cause a negative argc, I wonder < 1621333279 505573 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...pass 3 billion arguments to a program... < 1621333379 162200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would find it amusing if an implementation had a corner case where argc is negative, but it would still take care to ensure that argv[argc] is a null pointer. < 1621333393 708017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In any case, it wouldn't be a conforming C implementation.) < 1621333489 972301 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you ever find a good gui library < 1621333788 760623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: For what context? I think probably not. < 1621334983 286248 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvdxvxychnvjhyrb JOIN :#esoteric < 1621338666 37057 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1621342173 358709 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621342246 727462 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621342258 429900 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1621343328 278999 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621343345 337810 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1621343631 184204 :kelly8080!~Thunderbi@185.13.202.227 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621344203 327915 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621344252 132408 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot JOIN :#esoteric < 1621344694 868894 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:fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, no Eurovision commentary going on? < 1621366131 121760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the semifinals don't count maybe. < 1621366141 577644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway's in this one, I think. < 1621366169 243165 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: what do those pulsing rings in Recursed do? < 1621366212 634894 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : What, no Eurovision commentary going on? => didn’t even know it’s happening < 1621366226 770071 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've lost interest after that woman with a beard < 1621366238 422192 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it was < 1621366307 840021 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I almost never ever watched it more than a couple minutes for a time, which seems strange in some way < 1621366383 958638 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :first levels of Recursed seem pretty neato-easy but I believe when I start with progressing the ice palace DLC then it will be hard < 1621366418 65755 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: yes it starts out very easy < 1621366443 129241 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and after that beard woman there was a scandal that after nazi revolution in Ukraine in 2014 some people heard in "lasha tumbai" the "Russia goodbye" in Serdyuchka's song not even understanding that Serdyuchka hates nazis < 1621366461 355337 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's now looking rather about scandals than music I guess < 1621366548 847476 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: do you know what those rings do? If you take it and then drop it, it starts pulsing until you return from some other chest, it seems to indicate something but I think I haven’t read about that in a book at the start < 1621366581 861170 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: throw them and they'll play a message < 1621366613 825480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbbb,Recursed starts out too slow, definitely < 1621366634 783115 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: oh you said it's pulsing... if you don't have sound, turn on subtitles in the menu < 1621366637 240419 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: some say it was for a long time about some behind-the-scene shenanigans, though I don’t care either way. At least hopefully some people have fun from all that < 1621366661 385068 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: aaah thank you! < 1621366716 765418 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about subtitles (I turned them on in minecraft even when I play with earphones on just for fun of it) but for some reason didn’t ended up enabling them < 1621366808 833345 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :the slow start makes me believe my not-puzzle-gaming friend will get a confidence about her skills though < 1621367086 119536 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( the early Eurovision sequence: ABBACCCABBADDDDABBA… ) < 1621367088 406791 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621367099 862296 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1621367318 63207 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621367336 830880 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621367589 393946 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621367604 853634 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621368382 83578 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621369212 591797 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1621369467 220306 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eek!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83022 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+2641) 10Created page with "'''Eek!''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] that only uses the characters "E", "e", and "k". == Commands == {| class="wikitable" |- ! Command !! Outcome |- | E || Move..." < 1621369498 320308 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I kind of disagree... yes the initial levels are easy, but the test I'd apply is whether the game repeats itself early on (in the extreme making a dozen levels all based around the same idea)... and I don't think it does. > 1621369502 892113 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zero player rodent14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83023&oldid=82620 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+12) 10 < 1621369538 199682 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the rings did a lot for me to stave off boredom < 1621369784 912972 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.179 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1621372005 428356 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nya~14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83024 5* 03Sech1p 5* (+2127) 10Initial :eyes: < 1621373017 457066 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621374472 884093 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621374736 821369 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621374762 916087 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621374991 958881 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00e9242d9eac3f1601.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1621375046 829335 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit the harder ones but didn’t reach cauldrons and jars yet < 1621375051 860918 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621375153 274710 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, dungeon, or ruins? < 1621375296 550865 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sets are: 1st woodland, introduces chests, keys, blocks, and doors; 2nd, sewers, introduces water; 3rd, dungeon, introduces green things; 4th, ruins, introduces red water) > 1621375482 496557 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03AdamJ 5* 10New user account < 1621375587 695615 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621375599 431197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83025&oldid=83012 5* 03AdamJ 5* (+123) 10/* Introductions */ < 1621377817 597802 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621378003 899886 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621378271 880086 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621380410 596893 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621380688 579551 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621383505 627612 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621383791 532206 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621384750 873054 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621385052 817983 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1621385616 805552 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621385861 854126 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621387409 579873 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Container14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83026&oldid=79726 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+416) 10 > 1621387437 674913 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Container14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83027&oldid=83026 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-2) 10 > 1621387558 70930 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Bangyen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83028&oldid=83021 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+16) 10/* Implementations */ < 1621387720 536179 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621387996 580973 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621388171 742219 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :{-} Conspiracy ;; Hidden agenda ;; When ~ is faced up, you may pay {2/U}{2/U}. If you paid, or if target spell's name is the chosen name, counter that spell. < 1621388397 315996 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your comment of this? < 1621389482 138766 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would the actor model look like without the idea of a "process ID" or "address", I wonder, and instead replace that with some sort of adjacency requirement. < 1621389526 22088 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. > 1621389542 674486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83029&oldid=82712 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+110) 10/* Ideas for Names */ Implemented suggestions < 1621389599 358467 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :a distributed idea of "what address belongs to who" is expensive to maintain, to the point of requiring entirely different software services to facilitate a mapping between identifiers and the actual processes (or machines) they signify. < 1621389695 559033 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621389735 725170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83030&oldid=83029 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+105) 10/* Music */ > 1621389954 495127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83031&oldid=83030 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+81) 10/* General Ideas */ < 1621389968 534673 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621392564 469968 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uiyvwgqmgltrwigi QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1621392950 535577 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621393216 615777 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1621393370 243090 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Spider solitaire14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83032 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+174) 10Added content < 1621393563 213950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1621393933 104138 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621394425 272804 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:ColorfulGalaxy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83033&oldid=82853 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+23) 10[http://www.archimedes-lab.org/tangramagicus/pagetang4.html# s] < 1621394970 536793 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621395246 639971 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621395671 839530 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621395858 864900 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621395941 851697 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621395968 780555 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Num14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83034 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+2415) 10Created page with "Num is an esoteric programming language that is also a subset of JavaScript. In most high level languages there is some representation of the natural numbers, or at least Inc..." > 1621395988 871333 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Num14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83035&oldid=83034 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+0) 10 > 1621396091 228631 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Num14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83036&oldid=83035 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+24) 10 > 1621396243 194044 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Num14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83037&oldid=83036 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (-8) 10 < 1621396553 657720 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621396567 274794 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Num14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83038&oldid=83037 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+548) 10 > 1621396624 502359 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Num14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83039&oldid=83038 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+7) 10/* Implementation */ < 1621396828 557222 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1621396896 552985 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Num14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83040&oldid=83039 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+5534) 10 > 1621397074 809051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Num14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83041&oldid=83040 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+2598) 10 > 1621397102 375032 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Num14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83042&oldid=83041 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (-2) 10/* Arithmetic and Logical Operators */ > 1621397158 865024 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Num14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83043&oldid=83042 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+459) 10/* Primes 1 through 8 */ > 1621397179 455118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Num14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83044&oldid=83043 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+154) 10/* Squares 0 through 3 */ > 1621397205 100042 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Num14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83045&oldid=83044 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+141) 10/* Factorial 3 */ > 1621397285 185619 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Num14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83046&oldid=83045 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+83) 10 < 1621397624 781574 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric > 1621397765 813632 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Num14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83047&oldid=83046 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+99) 10/* Pre-defined Functions */ > 1621398421 56081 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Num14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83048&oldid=83047 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+170) 10 > 1621398434 539719 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Num14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83049&oldid=83048 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+0) 10/* Turing-completeness */ < 1621399896 779854 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621400141 758817 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621403145 950076 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621403492 927850 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621404587 404160 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621405077 175376 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the "Four" and "Eight" keywords in Free Hero Mesh should be changed to "Rook" and "Queen" instead. < 1621405334 656933 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, not today; today I will sleep instead.) < 1621408708 676999 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00bd08a6952222b3db.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1621408876 540634 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621409028 986748 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621410859 306242 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly QUIT :Killed (grumble (My fellow staff so-called 'friends' are about to hand over account data to a non-staff member. If you care about your data, drop your NickServ account NOW before that happens.)) < 1621410860 486444 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Killed (grumble (My fellow staff so-called 'friends' are about to hand over account data to a non-staff member. If you care about your data, drop your NickServ account NOW before that happens.)) < 1621410875 838409 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip JOIN :#esoteric < 1621410888 833029 :grumble!~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble QUIT :Killed (grumble (My fellow staff so-called 'friends' are about to hand over account data to a non-staff member. I'm leaving freenode forever and I recommend you drop your NickServ account to keep your data safe.)) < 1621410991 647286 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1621411239 444129 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621411275 761183 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric < 1621411749 711610 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621412095 715057 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1621412310 674684 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83050&oldid=83020 5* 03Sech1p 5* (+16) 10Add nya~ language < 1621412835 468111 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621412934 883018 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621415604 636885 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621415955 772925 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-thidiwyvispmjuxw QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621416180 425668 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm if one can say our inductive type N might contain nonstandard naturals which just have no closed terms corresponding to them, could a type X → Y contain uncomputable functions in it?.. Seems plausible but I don’t remember where did I read about nonstandards inside N. Maybe that was about equality types x = y, being inhabited not necessary only by refl_x terms < 1621416248 574563 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also some nontrivial loops and paths between different elements which just aren’t that different so it all still satisfies path induction < 1621416362 440695 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise as you know nonstandars naturals satisfy the first-order induction. Though I don’t know how it translates to induction from a dependent-type theory: it might be a bit more strict due to all the types?.. (and cumulative type universes, if one takes a theory like HoTT in this regard) < 1621416466 926477 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems to make sense that function types would contain uncomputable functions “deep within”. But as I said I don’t remember arguments for that, like why would we want to say it? It seems we should want, for metalogic stuff to make more sense, but how exactly < 1621417013 949090 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jxirtllqaejvorik JOIN :#esoteric < 1621419200 741923 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@46-133-36-98.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1621420326 966796 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00bd08a6952222b3db.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621424089 421253 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a0088365239e6346274.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1621425687 992067 :mniip!mniip@freenode/staff/mniip QUIT :Quit: Changing host < 1621425801 994086 :mniip!mniip@b.deneb.mniip.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621426099 61733 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621426103 753621 :FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly QUIT :Changing host < 1621426103 753690 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1621426322 551361 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621426480 826066 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Sanscicondos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83051&oldid=83018 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+233) 10 > 1621426565 701150 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Cheese slice.jpg10]]": Royalty free image of a cheese slice. Src: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.peakpx.com%2F545414%2Fyellow-slice-cheese&psig=AOvVaw2Yopg2e5tX2Y-1hsl5V81i&ust=1621512748340000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAMQjB1qFwoTCJDTpu7b1fACFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD > 1621426595 923985 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sanscicondos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83053&oldid=83016 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+2) 10added royalty free cheese < 1621426622 862434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard there's no such thing as free cheese, but that seems to contradict the assertion. > 1621426643 295491 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Sanscicondos14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83054&oldid=83051 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+2) 10mmmmm formatting < 1621426777 501534 :mniip!mniip@b.deneb.mniip.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've resigned from volunteering for freenode for a good reason and I think you should know as well: https://mniip.com/freenode.txt (sorry for the spam (wait that's cliche)) > 1621426828 15074 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cheese14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83055&oldid=83014 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+246) 10explanation to Hello World added > 1621426891 894285 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sanscicondos14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83056&oldid=83053 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (-140) 10removed unneeded link < 1621426961 790696 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621427045 304326 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:General disclaimer14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83057 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+115) 10Created page with "====If you wish to inquire about the exact makeup of the Esolangs Wiki and its ingredients, please do so below.====" > 1621427193 173193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:General disclaimer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83058&oldid=83057 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+320) 10 < 1621427237 789316 :^[!sid43445@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/sixth/zgrep QUIT :Quit: I wish to stop using IRCCloud. > 1621427282 544541 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:General disclaimer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83059&oldid=83058 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+99) 10 > 1621427629 655052 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:General disclaimer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83060&oldid=83059 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (+533) 10added pages with percentages < 1621427815 696901 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621427893 304827 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621427911 687530 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621428437 784797 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1621428832 393933 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621428869 666107 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621428881 328373 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, is #esoteric going to move? < 1621429135 596794 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621429182 722637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of abundance of caution I did go ahead and register ##esoteric over on libera, and was just about to start a thread on [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] on whether an `#esolangs` community registration would be reasonable. But I think we might as well wait a bit to see what exactly happens. A number of Real Channels™ sound like they're going to just migrate though. < 1621429253 830202 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the second update in https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409 it might just be a reasonable idea < 1621429532 864436 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621429554 835680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, obviously anyone who's uncomfortable simply being connected to freenode.net should do what they must. But I think I'll still be giving it a day or three before migrating things I'm responsible for, mostly because I kind of find it hard to come up with anything particularly nefarious a malicious entity could do with esolangs.org wiki updates or the kind of things fungot spouts out. < 1621429556 207861 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, first of all, there was also my mother, my sister and my wife. his wife said to him: ' europe's currencies will be coexisting. lack of security, justice and home affairs remain too vague. we have to admit that we must totally change our quota system and at last i am in complete agreement. i hope that a call will come from rethinking whether our structural programme for social measures. so if you will allow < 1621429563 430748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case in point. < 1621429659 360712 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621429914 485850 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? What's going on with freenode? < 1621430010 567022 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1621430020 484984 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3>Freenode staff have stepped down. The network that runs at freenode.org/net/com should be assumed to be under control of a malicious party. < 1621430321 947061 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621430337 837163 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621430350 434895 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621430532 252776 :zeroed!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.7.2+deb3 - https://znc.in < 1621430593 365384 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621430610 815587 :adminn!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed JOIN :#esoteric < 1621430612 629187 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621430875 754010 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83061&oldid=81119 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+1958) 10/* Freenode and the future */ new section < 1621430894 931237 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a0088365239e6346274.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621431239 325145 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: Changing server < 1621431379 971813 :op_4!~tslil@2a01:4f8:c0c:7952::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chibi: https://kline.sh, among others < 1621431428 515977 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00518ac0f4fb1556c3.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric > 1621432921 306173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Batata 5* 10New user account < 1621433316 446638 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-piazkmhanzpphpby JOIN :#esoteric < 1621433319 293112 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621434419 387093 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83062&oldid=83025 5* 03Batata 5* (+145) 10 > 1621434631 757942 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83063 5* 03Batata 5* (+8) 10Created page with "i'm dumb" > 1621434687 830021 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83064&oldid=83063 5* 03Batata 5* (-1) 10 > 1621434715 524563 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83065&oldid=83064 5* 03Batata 5* (+42) 10 > 1621434763 334336 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83066&oldid=83065 5* 03Batata 5* (-37) 10 > 1621434808 185175 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83067&oldid=83066 5* 03Batata 5* (+38) 10 < 1621434952 543717 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1621434971 857907 :sech1p!~sech1p@188.146.33.17.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621435530 605174 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks at current Freenode controversy < 1621435555 340333 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's a whole thing < 1621436113 922888 :dionys!dionys@2a0a:d981::10 QUIT :Quit: dionys < 1621436124 537772 :dionys!dionys@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ztosklozuwaflaok JOIN :#esoteric < 1621436150 172865 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :>Freenode staff have stepped down. The network that runs at freenode.org/net/com should be assumed to be under control of a malicious party. => woah > 1621436164 532741 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Neat14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83068&oldid=83019 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+130) 10Cats < 1621436242 269485 :dionys!dionys@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ztosklozuwaflaok QUIT :Client Quit < 1621436248 566098 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1621436252 870724 :dionys!dionys@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-fpyqjfjbcteumdmc JOIN :#esoteric < 1621436346 921428 :dionys!dionys@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-fpyqjfjbcteumdmc QUIT :Client Quit < 1621436376 640410 :dionys!dionys@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-syyrzonbctfkvivo JOIN :#esoteric < 1621436664 452793 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :really scared me about NickServ db, dropped the account but hm maybe that’s insufficient < 1621436670 21599 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need more random passwords < 1621436771 872161 :sech1p!~sech1p@188.146.33.17.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621437498 879430 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621437545 917892 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, I'm so drained < 1621437612 655635 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :mood < 1621438084 369374 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had some water and some chocolate and I am still drained < 1621438219 320617 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs387120.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621438310 10067 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Sanscicondos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83069&oldid=83054 5* 03Sanscicondos 5* (-1221) 10 < 1621438416 260064 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bath or a shower make wonders sometimes, though of course you need to be home for that < 1621438489 489558 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs387120.centertel.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :long time no talk hehehe < 1621438501 147198 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs387120.centertel.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you guys moving to libera? < 1621438662 427581 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arseniiv: and also not on the clock < 1621439083 721390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_portal#Freenode_and_the_future < 1621439158 13397 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, dungeon, or ruins? => now both of them are partially complete < 1621439249 551306 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to keep both libera and freenode until i know more < 1621439298 771849 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grabbed a #esoteric registration on Libera, I still haven't figured out what's really happening. < 1621439312 816782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I registered ##esoteric, because I really don't think we should have #esoteric per the policy. < 1621439320 598201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really a historical accident we have on freenode. < 1621439325 572868 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1621439347 663192 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I can see the argument for us having #esoteric as a registered community < 1621439356 717715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_portal#Freenode_and_the_future < 1621439367 210866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think it should be called #esolangs if registered as a community. < 1621439396 866762 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now I need to figure out how to reply to a thread on talk page... < 1621439422 597251 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could just forward people to ##esoteric then for now < 1621439446 673640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Press edit on the section, put a... was it a `:`, in front of your comment, to indent it... something like that. MediaWiki isn't *great* for discussions, but I think it'd be nice to have it on the record. < 1621439468 27816 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll figure it out in a few minutes < 1621439571 311769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really not relishing the prospect of having double the number of windows in my IRC client, but based on the amount of "I don't care" comments on the channels I've been on, it wouldn't surprise me if it's not a clean break. > 1621440515 342410 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83070&oldid=83061 5* 03Taneb 5* (+237) 10 < 1621440568 205158 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you guys know about https://www.kline.sh/ < 1621440645 887513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621440725 873276 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1621440873 26696 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there's alway +q *!*@* ;-) < 1621441100 248296 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de JOIN :#esoteric > 1621441106 509362 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Axuary 5* 10New user account < 1621441248 835353 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621441260 641438 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83071&oldid=83062 5* 03Axuary 5* (+51) 10/* Introductions */ < 1621441392 552131 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00518ac0f4fb1556c3.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1621441437 55378 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83072&oldid=83071 5* 03Axuary 5* (+78) 10 < 1621441750 826295 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and yeah I'm not relishing it either... I mainly went on the server with the wild west attitude of stating a claim. make sure nobody else grabs my precious nick... < 1621441811 656462 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1621441814 724281 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I went as far as to make a new shell account just for the purpose so that right now I have a mirror of my irc client that connects to libera instead of freenode... that's not really sustainable. < 1621441826 993069 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*staking a claim < 1621441891 882402 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of hoping that whole channels will switch over, or not, so that I can merge the two irssi instances again. < 1621442186 411142 :sech1p!~sech1p@188.146.33.17.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621442299 324163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think that'd be optimal. But I suspect there's some serious inertia to overcome. Unless a channel's administrators decide to force the issue. < 1621442325 344685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many hours before the first freenode-libera bridge goes up? ;) < 1621442438 579747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be nice to have some sort of universal bridge between all the competing chat setups < 1621442441 590636 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1621442539 721744 :metcalf_!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621442740 943372 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1621442741 163221 :metcalf_!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com NICK :metcalf < 1621442949 218764 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a0078d2c65eb7791f2b.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1621443225 571048 :op_4!~tslil@2a01:4f8:c0c:7952::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey ais523, about 13 years ago you helped me on my highschool maths homework. Thanks! < 1621443269 556738 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1621443551 809856 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621443666 639396 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1621443705 804327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi op_4 < 1621443723 164239 :op_4!~tslil@2a01:4f8:c0c:7952::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION went by hiato back then, iirc < 1621443772 454889 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621443787 469337 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1621443846 226064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that name < 1621443907 34685 :op_4!~tslil@2a01:4f8:c0c:7952::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo, alright my work here is done < 1621444292 90082 :betseg!d49a3916@unaffiliated/betseg JOIN :#esoteric < 1621444296 788848 :betseg!d49a3916@unaffiliated/betseg PART :#esoteric < 1621444532 475991 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621445482 818867 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've registered over there, i'll move whereever this channel goes < 1621445500 148179 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Quit: gone too far < 1621445548 613764 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold up. < 1621445552 669434 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is going on. < 1621445600 782622 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to freenode. < 1621445871 904156 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drama. I'm still figuring it out... https://boingboing.net/2021/05/19/freenode-irc-staff-quit-after-new-owner-seizes-control.html is a third party view at least. < 1621445917 999543 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks.. what the hell. < 1621445992 972006 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric > 1621446287 495257 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Duocentehexaquinquagesimal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83073&oldid=82654 5* 03Makonede 5* (+263) 10 > 1621446310 688879 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Duocentehexaquinquagesimal14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83074&oldid=83073 5* 03Makonede 5* (+1) 10 < 1621446352 967805 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621446480 941796 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I get an invite. < 1621446486 697360 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :to libera's esoteric channel. < 1621446501 737205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should just need a registered nickname. < 1621446515 46883 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. < 1621446519 598858 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine < 1621446524 739286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for why it's +r, there was a giant wave of "THIS CHANNEL HAS MOVED TO IRC.FREENODE.NET" spam. < 1621446549 737321 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :kool. < 1621446560 654243 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621446627 365716 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that seems to have subsided though. < 1621446631 488769 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now at least < 1621446740 53415 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621446761 217500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we could take +r off for a while then. < 1621446795 320182 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a0078d2c65eb7791f2b.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621447007 111577 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine < 1621447085 763840 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621447216 450712 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.1 < 1621447234 877404 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1621447386 491042 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, large question, _who_ had the authority to sell to a cryptobro. < 1621447429 14953 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been on this network for what seems like fuckin' ages. < 1621447447 402584 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :who do I nut-punch for this. < 1621447476 627537 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621447582 699398 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf JOIN :#esoteric < 1621447593 158015 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure that using Freenode will be a problem; disable requiring an account if you are concerned about the accounts, I suppose. If it does end up with problem, you can try to change it later, I suppose. < 1621447612 745489 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, set up your own IRC server. < 1621447621 357910 :sech1p!~sech1p@188.146.33.17.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1621447628 143881 :sech1p!~sech1p@188.146.33.17.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell happened with freenode? < 1621447634 610425 :sech1p!~sech1p@188.146.33.17.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't understand < 1621447636 362537 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know too < 1621447639 441988 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.kline.sh/ < 1621447660 417586 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :some fucks sold the network to a cryptobro. < 1621448023 742242 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621448037 680740 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621448063 600552 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621448293 336126 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621448310 646951 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621448470 710825 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RCEM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83075&oldid=75659 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+12578) 10Formatted the documentation, amended orthographic mistakes, and added an exemplary implementation in Common Lisp. < 1621448494 314676 :sech1p!~sech1p@188.146.33.17.nat.umts.dynamic.t-mobile.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1621448716 133350 :adminn!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed NICK :zeroed < 1621448725 121159 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's not looking pretty < 1621449036 574688 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, if you want to move into other IRC, can do and then we can connect on there instead. But, not unless is mentioned who it is, and the logs must be moved too < 1621449077 269435 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the channel is already up. < 1621449101 691457 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt < 1621449331 886465 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I would hope also whoever manages this channel and the logs would handle it properly, including adding the mention of the server and channel name > 1621449423 291088 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nya~14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83076&oldid=83024 5* 03Sech1p 5* (+121) 10Add Java nya~ implementation < 1621449597 48057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we'd need to sort of officially decide to move first. I think it's reasonable to give it a bit of time to see how the rest of freenode jumps. < 1621449613 238809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will set up a parallel instance of the logs I maintain, though. < 1621449648 946596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not sure how to render the transition time if we decide to move over for good. Just merging the logs would probably be more than a little confusing.) < 1621449673 363553 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00507da683e519d440.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1621449925 802725 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1621450081 486185 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: merge the files, render one half with RTL > 1621450560 718640 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Nope.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83077&oldid=81502 5* 03Sech1p 5* (+109) 10Add Malbolge implementation > 1621450780 843308 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83078&oldid=83072 5* 03Sech1p 5* (-7) 10Delete unnecessary repeat of my nickname < 1621451259 787643 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The log format we have doesn't have multiple servers, I think. If you have internally SQL then you can add a column, but that is not working for the exposed log format > 1621451604 645604 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainIf14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83079 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+1425) 10created the page > 1621451676 574244 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainIf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83080&oldid=83079 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+0) 10swap computational class and implementations > 1621451885 994886 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Mase 5* 10New user account > 1621452056 59848 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83081&oldid=83078 5* 03Mase 5* (+114) 10 < 1621452521 869390 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621452539 766092 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621452601 804524 :zeroed!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.7.2+deb3 - https://znc.in < 1621452650 833092 :adminn!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed JOIN :#esoteric < 1621452709 490534 :adminn!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed NICK :zeroed < 1621452792 272050 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621452807 764394 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-165-68-56.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621452992 15460 :wesleyac!~wesleyac@wesleyac.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621453290 471606 :zeroed!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.7.2+deb3 - https://znc.in < 1621453421 451507 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Gregor active enough to switch HackEso here if/when we move? < 1621453532 265068 :adminn!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed JOIN :#esoteric < 1621453534 862920 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1621453653 591860 :adminn!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed QUIT :Client Quit < 1621453754 800107 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/Bowserinator PART #esoteric :"Au revoir!" < 1621453813 247416 :adminn!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed JOIN :#esoteric < 1621453830 218709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I run HackEso, that's why it's called HackEso rather than HackEgo. < 1621453879 434465 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1621453930 447249 :adminn!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed NICK :zeroed < 1621453938 773031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also considering running a second instance in parallel for now, since the architecture should in theory have no trouble with that (and changes made in a different network aren't any less understandable than changes made via private message). < 1621454399 831448 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: Bye! < 1621454410 885298 :zeroed!~admin@unaffiliated/zeroed QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.7.2+deb3 - https://znc.in < 1621454549 125413 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621454700 741926 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1621454882 877616 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621455025 977914 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainIf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83082&oldid=83080 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+10455) 10 < 1621455101 420727 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/freenodestaff/status/1395046345145307140 < 1621455107 673578 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :andrew lee et. al. now have full control. < 1621455222 656585 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should move lambdabot over :P < 1621455253 84141 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :you own it? < 1621455419 583607 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621455434 224980 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RCEM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83083&oldid=83075 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+259) 10Added further documentation, elucidating the instructions and the interpreter implementation. > 1621455470 848144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainIf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83084&oldid=83082 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-6) 10/* Hello, world! */ < 1621455591 869210 :stux|RC--!stux2@grid9.quadspeedi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1621455618 58918 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621455618 210681 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621455629 642158 :orbitaldecay!~bob@forder.cc JOIN :#esoteric < 1621455674 373535 :djanatyn!~djanatyn@vps-7f49a6b0.vps.ovh.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621455674 482628 :haavard!root@haavard.me QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621455702 397436 :stux|RC!stux2@grid9.quadspeedi.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621455793 287089 :djanatyn!~djanatyn@vps-7f49a6b0.vps.ovh.ca JOIN :#esoteric > 1621455927 185274 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BrainIf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83085&oldid=83084 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+25) 10 > 1621455960 590615 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Segmentation fault14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83086&oldid=81339 5* 03Sech1p 5* (+106) 10Add Pascal implementation < 1621455978 236511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN :#esoteric < 1621455983 195221 :dnm!sid401311@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gebzggtwpiflmmmt PART :#esoteric > 1621455990 514509 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Segmentation fault14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83087&oldid=83086 5* 03Sech1p 5* (+1) 10/* Pascal */ > 1621456125 68852 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Fargo14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83088 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+257) 10Created page with "== [[Truth-machine]] == How's the Truth-machine supposed to work? The first line looks like an infinitely recursive function, while the second line looks like it does nothing...." < 1621456500 875150 :haavard!root@haavard.me JOIN :#esoteric > 1621457614 221186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Esolanger 5* 10New user account > 1621457667 49380 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83089&oldid=83081 5* 03Esolanger 5* (+42) 10/* Introductions */ < 1621458073 877390 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We dont need to move anywhere else. We have freenode < 1621458089 737642 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have it anymore. < 1621458250 147628 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes we do. The server is still working, we can still communicate: thats all that matters < 1621458279 410786 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's all that matters, please ignore the wiretapping capabilities that the administrators are now afforded the next time you have a private conversation. < 1621458294 109067 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope you like being milked for all you're worth as the intent is to turn IRC into Discord. https://irc.com/ < 1621458312 393913 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode will remain the worlds number 1 irc server and all those channels will come back. When people think about IRC, they think freenode < 1621458326 83278 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When people think of search, they think google < 1621458326 941246 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not really. < 1621458336 563654 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :but have fun hanging out in a dead network, I guess. < 1621458352 942421 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is duckduckgo better than google? Yes. Is libera better than frenode? Yes < 1621458358 584025 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesnt matter < 1621458429 753184 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrix is better than discord > 1621458510 594968 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jetison333 5* 10New user account > 1621458682 848686 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RCEM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83090&oldid=83083 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+2) 10Corrected two mistakenly unterminated ``'' tags. < 1621458750 399539 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid NICK :watchingfreenode > 1621459031 205391 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Esolanger14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83091 5* 03Esolanger 5* (+945) 10Created page with "I made an Esolang called "ShortJV" ShortJV means short Java And Java, yeah there is no way in hell I am going to code a line as big as the earth.
 class Project > fn m..."
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< 1621460415 986695 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that neither Freenode nor Libera it seems to do, is other channel types, and server-side public logs
< 1621460490 886881 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :" so it's now looking rather about scandals than music I guess" => wait, was it (Eurovision) ever about music? must have been before my time.
< 1621460628 957363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't when it's been about music, but I feel it's been more about spectacle (and grumbling about unfair voting patterns) than scandals in the past.
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< 1621460656 861630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, I watch it now because it's become a habit.
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< 1621461330 851811 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so what "private data" on freenode are these scaremongers talking about? the one with the three active public logs? 
< 1621461400 787853 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mostly the email address that you probably didn't need yet when you registered 15 years ago
< 1621461422 355196 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? ambrus@math.bme.hu ? that's pretty public too
< 1621461428 647397 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it might be a plus-prefixed one
< 1621461433 807927 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect it'll be a death by a thousand needles thing.
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< 1621461458 972152 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we actually know if any of those supposed resignation letters are from freenode ops, or are they just random links people throw around?
< 1621461477 645933 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm suspicious of any new thing that people say will replace freenode, when it's a new thing every year
< 1621461485 36387 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it's matrix, sometimes discord, sometimes telegram
< 1621461492 915757 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :*apparently* a previous IRC network that Andrew Lee got involved in started to snoop on private messages; I'm not clear on whether there was a causal link (it was suggested, but not stated)
< 1621461496 487752 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they stop and start saying the same thing for eight years, then I'll consider changing
< 1621461518 38441 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, who is one of the Freenode staff members who just resigned recently, can probably confirm
< 1621461533 805441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one thing that really gets me is that Freenode's old staff basically abandoned ship.
< 1621461562 403540 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if we want to leave, why would it be some new thing that someone sets up recently, rather than oftc which has been running strong and with a similar enough culture to freenode (except I think the two arguments to NICKSERV IDENTIFY are swapped so be careful with that, but maybe that's another network)?
< 1621461568 112822 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That tells me that the shit is hitting the fan and convinced me to at least be prepared to switch over at a moment's notice.
< 1621461586 287010 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, but do we actually have proof for that, like any freenode staff confirming that those letter are from them?
< 1621461592 706917 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1621461599 414463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The resignation letters on people's private domains are presumably at least believable.
< 1621461609 88370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you assume those were hijacked too.
< 1621461628 687882 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the staffer's private domains were
< 1621461635 440526 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though some of them seem to be away, let me check
< 1621461639 768565 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: someone was linking to one of them in a k-line message
< 1621461647 506835 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is hard to do if you aren't freenode staff
< 1621461655 293451 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :My memory is a bit fuzzy, but I know at least Fuchs moved his out of /privat, updated it to include more info, and has vouched for it
< 1621461686 441257 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've also had them verified as such from ariadne (a former freenode staffer, tho she had resigned _prior_ to all this), and i trust her as a source
< 1621461687 157500 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: thanks, that's better
< 1621461706 861474 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can  /who freenode/staff/*  to see which staff-cloaked users share a channel with you
< 1621461713 333053 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for a bridge, that might be a good idea
< 1621461778 730058 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yes, I can see #freenode , it's suspiciously empty of staffers. I might wait a few more days to see what happens
< 1621461791 637571 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its topic is scary too
< 1621461793 787191 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: wow... that... is short compared to the same thing on libera
< 1621461821 481142 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm on #libera there and on #freenode here which should help to get a more or less complete list)
< 1621461830 966079 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye, that should be pretty complete
< 1621461941 983404 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, those kill messages are not quite inspiring me to trust those staffers to follow to their designated replacement
< 1621462017 438525 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I say if we want to leave here, we go to Oftc. they have seniority, I know their network for almost a decade
< 1621462040 999114 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :not some fancy newly set up passionate replacement that may or may not live up to its hype
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< 1621462417 889570 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly is the connection between oftc and freenode? tomaw is involved in both...
< 1621462634 496296 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: I think they split over some difference in the prehistory, before I ever joined IRC
< 1621462652 272706 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was in the long past, now they seemed to be just peacefully coexisting
< 1621462673 514665 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they still hate each other and I just don't care about the politics
< 1621462680 182018 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the heck knows
< 1621462769 813376 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie or ais, I'm b_jonas on oftc too, if you want the registered channels with the obvious names, ask me
< 1621462788 135126 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what oftc is
< 1621462806 665146 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case it seems that most of the migration from Freenode is heading towards Libera. It does have the right people to live on, too, I think. The last thing I want atm is add *two* new irc servers to my client.
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< 1621462835 143456 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :callforjudgement: it's an IRC network with policies similar to Freenode, presumably until you get deep into the lore where they have some irreconcilable differences about whether the liturgy language that they no longer use is greek or latin
< 1621462837 939191 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one for #esoteric, one for #haskell, and keep freenode for some random channels that probably won't care)
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< 1621462856 150997 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc server hostname is irc.oftc.net , homepage is https://www.oftc.net/
< 1621462885 998262 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: no, that's the loud hype right now, we won't know where the actual migration goes for months
< 1621462924 614487 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will join there too for now because I don't care about being joined to many irc servers at least for a while, then we'll see what sticks
< 1621462962 785440 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not convinced we should let the loudest scaremongering people decide what the replacement is
< 1621463027 748048 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though on the other hand, I guess I should let fizzie decide
< 1621463036 350475 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for the case of #esoteric
< 1621463135 940367 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, fizzie
< 1621463149 781390 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if I private message HackEso on freenode, does it reply on libera? 
< 1621463159 405807 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that, like, deliberate?
< 1621463178 310134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I probably screwed something up.
< 1621463189 725899 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, spooky action at a distance
< 1621463198 144373 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a way to authenticate the two to each other
< 1621463206 958599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're two entirely separate instances, but I guess neglected something about multibot's weird Unix domain socket communication thing.
< 1621463215 63193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably need to change a parameter somewhere.
< 1621463219 196052 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1621463243 118713 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1621463244 288828 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :two entirely separate instances? you *forked* HackEso? or do you mean their underlying hackenv disk is still the same?
< 1621463250 268254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, same repository.
< 1621463256 167905 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hpPoH39u6o_L
< 1621463256 450388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just two separate instances of multibot.
< 1621463261 33361 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that's better
< 1621463268 897670 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it'll reply in #esoteric of course
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< 1621463283 895926 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we won't see it in ##esoteric
< 1621463374 906960 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we sort of have a bridge
< 1621463382 646107 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one direction
< 1621463389 889968 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a garbage chute
< 1621463399 707413 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the Unix domain socket name of multibot is hardcoded to be /tmp/multibot., and obviously they've got the same nick.
< 1621463408 632797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just need to recompile with a patch.
< 1621463419 929498 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :chroot to the rescue ;)
< 1621463473 440121 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or renick it to HackEvo or HackEto or whatever
< 1621463490 968848 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEsO, maybe it's case sensitive
< 1621463547 978925 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders the look of "hACKeSO"
< 1621463595 7351 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We will stay on #Freenode
< 1621463614 217672 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we'll fork the channel, that's more confusing
< 1621463629 355474 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this official or is it what you think will happen
< 1621463632 192868 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1621463651 650016 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well what ever happens ill move there too
< 1621463661 460204 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just dont think we should grt into others drama
< 1621463664 577565 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest75150: well right now we have two instances of HackEsos, so it's sort of official
< 1621463679 697097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's honestly really just because I wanted to play around.
< 1621463681 15213 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more like one HackEso connected to two networks
< 1621463719 738815 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well ok, but you know we'll follow our bots and ops, right?
< 1621463722 801157 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso JOIN :#esoteric
< 1621463733 123298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping
< 1621463734 86901 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1621463745 20106 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so HackEso and fungot sort of determine where the real channle is
< 1621463745 129338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're distinct personalities now.
< 1621463745 485297 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, in response to the excellent speech by the president of the commission on his behalf. the importance of the euratom treaty is to be considered. regarding the structure and, especially, children for removing organs, is a great pity if the council, for i was the rapporteur and say that europe's agricultural objective should be.
< 1621463765 268166 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo LF0Z4vBEEp4_
< 1621463766 710769 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :LF0Z4vBEEp4_
< 1621463774 766206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fair enough, but I wouldn't want to enforce anything.
< 1621463790 940731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did start a thread (if two messages count as one) on the Wiki, FWIW: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_portal#Freenode_and_the_future
< 1621463792 920803 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, you can't *enforce* anything
< 1621463832 860631 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I'll reply there too
< 1621463845 207925 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think more IRC folks watch the IRC logs than the wiki
< 1621463886 37462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's plausible. But I think the official official status is whatever [[Esolang:Community portal]] says. :)
< 1621463927 792544 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00507da683e519d440.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”
< 1621463929 502439 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what will happen to the logs
< 1621463940 605256 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also we need some sort of decycling protocol for the bridges
< 1621464067 27472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we didn't already use colors in the logs, we could do a HomeStuck ~ATH reference and just merge the logs on the same page, with one network in 4RED and the other in 12BLUE.
< 1621464131 529028 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not reading Homestuck so I don't get that reference, but merged logs might make sense
< 1621464137 815225 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we just log either and there'll be a bridge
< 1621464219 855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a very good reference. We've got a page about it on the wiki, too: https://esolangs.org/wiki/~ATH
< 1621464236 191430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just had a red/blue universe bifurcation thing going on, as that last example program shows.
< 1621464286 200321 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :attention! hang up!
> 1621464317 656999 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Super Mario 6414]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83092 5* 03Icecream17 5* (+3754) 10Create sm64
< 1621464329 923005 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? modem
< 1621464331 783502 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :modem? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1621464333 608978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be more like +++ATH0.
> 1621464390 529224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Super Mario 6414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83093&oldid=83092 5* 03Icecream17 5* (+25) 10add languages category
< 1621464394 92811 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a time when that caused people to disconnect from IRC
< 1621464406 504683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_command_set#Hayes'_solution claims patens are the reason why some modems would hang up on that even when there's no pause after the +'s.
< 1621464426 282144 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yeah, because of some stupid antivirus that decided that was an attack trying to hack your system and so disconnected you
< 1621464429 239516 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that
< 1621464437 6751 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :got freenode staff very angry when people started to abuse it
< 1621464461 637748 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I think it was *routers*, not antivirus
> 1621464468 754371 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83094&oldid=83050 5* 03Icecream17 5* (+21) 10/* S */ +Super Mario 64, also (realphabetize, space < P)
< 1621464469 818892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure +++ATH0 used to literally disconnect modems because of what it is.
< 1621464471 549552 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I though that was some DCC stuff? The +++ATH0 was poor modems not waiting for a delay after +++ and not distinguishing between incoming and outgoing data
< 1621464473 107645 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"smart" routers protecting you by breaking the TCP ting
< 1621464482 357352 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: yes, I know, that's the original meaning
< 1621464487 798611 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "poor" I mean "poor quality"
< 1621464489 861184 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this happened much later, when nobody was using such modems anymore
< 1621464526 798407 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me
< 1621464565 795467 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The email address I have registered with Freenode is one which is no longer valid anyways, so if they sell it, it will be unusable. Even if I changed it to a valid one, the same would be true; I use a separate email address for each thing, so that if it receives spam, I disable it.
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< 1621464580 496509 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does firefox now ignore when a https page says that it has a CSS style sheet at a http address, because it knows better about security than the HTML that declares where its style sheet is?
< 1621464584 708359 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is that new?
< 1621464662 224018 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the modem commands, I would think that it would be better to have a separate stream for commands and data, although RS-232 doesn't have that, therefore Dual-RS-232 must be used instead.
> 1621464698 563438 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Sm6414]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83095 5* 03Icecream17 5* (+28) 10create temporary redirect (if you need to name, you can change this)
< 1621464729 456987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Sounds that way. They have a page about "mixed content blocking", https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/mixed-content-blocking-firefox
< 1621464738 758188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't say since when they've been doing that.
> 1621464749 77731 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Super Mario 6414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83096&oldid=83093 5* 03Icecream17 5* (+29) 10add joke languages cat
< 1621464775 276854 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: re: "is this real", most if not all of the freenode staff straight up resigned, the letters are real, and the scare-mongering isn't really scare-mongering.
> 1621464810 720128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Super Mario 6414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83097&oldid=83096 5* 03Icecream17 5* (+19) 10Add category 2021
< 1621464833 491474 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: it so is. saying "unregister your accounts and change their password, because someone is going to steal your private information" is scare-mongering, no matter how much they don't like whatever is happening to the network
< 1621464852 522575 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's saying that.
< 1621464886 29501 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a single statement on kline.sh on how to remove, if you wish, your nickserv association.
< 1621464911 105000 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have been legal threats to the freenode staff if they don't comply with handing the reigns over to lee.
< 1621464946 790790 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I would expect the password to be hashed, meaning they cannot steal it unless you log in again after they change the software
< 1621464958 174307 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have assumed control as of today.
< 1621464979 53722 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: They'll see it when you identify with services
< 1621464993 331426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so /potentially/ they can log it right there and then
< 1621465003 338304 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: I'll quote that message: “If you care about your data, drop your NickServ account NOW before that happens.”
< 1621465014 198653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is how ultimately, this is a question of trust
< 1621465016 809942 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: putting it mildly, if you look at the statements put forth by the staff, along with chat logs, and look at the history, this is legitimate. I don't know why you think the opposite other than to be a contrarian.
< 1621465030 338746 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a fact that the new controllers of freenode have possession of that data, and could _in principle_ abuse it
< 1621465043 955931 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is unclear if they will, but they are unambiguously able to
< 1621465054 685769 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: yes, I'd agree that qualifies as fear-mongering. but it's also a personal opinion by *one* of the former Freenode staff.
< 1621465074 735588 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is maybe a bit inflammatory, but, if you don't have trust for the new controllers of freenode?
< 1621465090 302604 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering the purchase of the holding company tied to freenode happened in 2018 (2017? time means nothing these days) there were fears that PIA would do something shady.
< 1621465106 95020 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're trying to assert authority over the entire network via threatening to bankrupt the existing staff.
< 1621465117 690481 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bragging about taking over freenode on other networks.
< 1621465128 987957 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I mean..
< 1621465134 542941 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust like that.
< 1621465152 761787 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter _what_ way you spin it, this isn't a good thing.
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< 1621465324 618669 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: Yes, it is what I said; once you log in then they can steal it, if they have changed the software to steal this information.
> 1621465326 839144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83098&oldid=83070 5* 03B jonas 5* (+341) 10/* Freenode and the future */
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< 1621466243 37329 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean... as long as you don't use the *same* password with nickserv as with anything else
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< 1621467221 744578 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some people will
< 1621467239 727787 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that that's a good idea
< 1621467274 789301 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the same password with every nickserv
< 1621468039 23988 :watchingfreenode!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid NICK :ripfreenode
< 1621468077 440671 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't know what they intend to do with Freenode once they take it over; but, it is potentially of some concern.
< 1621468547 932893 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't trust the new owners of freenode
< 1621468554 920549 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i also don't trust facebook or google and i still use their platforms too
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< 1621468577 133190 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether or not you will trust someone, depend, what you will trust them with; it can be different.
< 1621468677 351057 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbqh i suspect freenode isn't long for this world regardless
< 1621468681 909096 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes use Google Search, as well as V8, but none of their other services. I don't use Facebook at all.
< 1621468707 977243 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode's lost all the people that ran it
< 1621468718 857948 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hard to come back from
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< 1621468964 802432 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although it still fails to answer the question what they will intend to do next. Although, maybe the Libera IRC will do; hopefully ifthe change can be properly managed from the channels (by setting topic messages or other messages to indicate it, by moving the bots and logs and managing their conversion properly, etc) then it can work.
> 1621468966 100904 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Num14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83100&oldid=83099 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+1) 10/* Main */
< 1621469266 429622 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, it's true; trust is a very multifaceted thing
> 1621469790 532386 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Icecream17/Arbitrary14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83101 5* 03Icecream17 5* (+512) 10Created page with "'''Icecream17/Arbitrary''' is ridiculous  The following is subject to change  {| class="wikitable" |+ Static programs |- ! Bits !! Hexadecimal source code !! What the source c..."
< 1621470963 761190 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1621471050 491712 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, anyone wants to grab cool nicknames of gullible people who think the best IT security practice for protecting their sensitive data is to listen to angry kline messages and drop their nickname registration? 
< 1621471061 833279 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be nice short ones up to grabs
< 1621471069 402709 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rolls her eyes
< 1621471452 6614 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I changed the Four and Eight keywords in Free Hero Mesh to Rook and Queen instead, and I also added Bishop, too. Hopefully, this is better than how it was before; do you think?
< 1621471564 12384 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What problems could malicious staff cause with my NickServ data, assuming my password is unique to Freenode?
< 1621471586 719588 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although not sure how private my memos are
< 1621471614 543450 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know; much of the data is public anyways I think. If you disable memos and use a distinct email address, then I doubt much can be done with it.
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> 1621473181 512233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03CiaaiK 5*  10New user account
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> 1621476764 718246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Finites at Fredy's14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83102 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+4732) 10This was _supposed_ to be a parody, but has become more of an uninspiring, but accurate, review. "Fair use" either way.
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< 1621480529 408003 :ripfreenode!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid NICK :iovoid
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< 1621480758 811202 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any web browser display a indicator in the status line when there are messages in the web developer console, even if it is not currently opened?
> 1621482743 595753 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83103&oldid=82807 5* 03New Army 5* (-63) 10The link doesn't seem to be dead.
> 1621482864 838687 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83104&oldid=83098 5* 03New Army 5* (+187) 10/* LifeWiki links */
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< 1621484227 580868 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :lee posted a notice lmao.
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< 1621484811 314880 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PRIVMSG #esoteric :loll
< 1621485073 80782 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that.
< 1621485892 916250 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How come neither side has any evj
< 1621485896 237916 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidence
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< 1621485915 11254 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hermit1.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/fnwut
< 1621485917 353010 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :among other logs.
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< 1621487757 410036 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi let this day be nice to everyone!
< 1621489219 890269 :les-citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, apparently upheaval is happening in freenode world
< 1621489225 654154 :les-citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not particularly 
< 1621489244 586684 :les-citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuned in to the operation of freenode
< 1621489264 639046 :les-citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I am seeing announcements from multiple operating system projects that they are moving away from freenode
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< 1621489528 591419 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :les-citrons: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_portal#Freenode_and_the_future
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< 1621496300 645400 :jix!~jix@static.71.5.69.159.clients.your-server.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I've been particularly active here in the last 15 years, but if this channel moves to either oftc or libera I'll also move my idling over
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> 1621513555 453323 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83112&oldid=83111 5* 03Batata 5* (+14) 10
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< 1621524581 892418 :phhh!52177139@82.23.113.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh
< 1621524591 822080 :phhh!52177139@82.23.113.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on here with this massive freenode drama
< 1621524618 654798 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by "here" you mean #esoteric, see https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_portal#Freenode_and_the_future
< 1621524620 534293 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phhh: discussion in Esolang talk:Community portal on the wiki
< 1621524649 145423 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a few of us sitting in ##esoteric on libera
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< 1621524675 633854 :imode!~imode@c-24-19-125-20.hsd1.wa.comcast.net NICK :Guest11521
< 1621524676 761393 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas grabbed #esoteric on oftc
< 1621524679 713121 :phhh!52177139@82.23.113.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely think we should demand #esoteric on libera
< 1621524693 362723 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :phhh: it's under our control too
< 1621524693 854953 :phhh!52177139@82.23.113.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is an ancient and proud one
< 1621524717 640599 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :phhh: but fizzie decided to go with ##esoteric and was first so I made #esoteric forward to ##esoteric
< 1621524725 307264 :phhh!52177139@82.23.113.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its name is integral to the matrix of solidity
< 1621524738 682226 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :##esoteric has twice as much matrix
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< 1621524775 9227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My proposal for a Libera community would be #esolangs (and #esolangs-*) rather than #esoteric.
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< 1621524793 686088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite the history.
< 1621524793 793714 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :phhh: anyway, it's a totally separate discussion and somewhat related to the community idea
< 1621524798 61511 :phhh!52177139@82.23.113.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but #esoteric is where the *tradition* is!!
< 1621524807 946806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm aware it's the boring opinion that I have.
< 1621524812 638605 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd miss the joke though.
< 1621524830 872284 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my actual god.
< 1621524833 378326 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I called out Lee.
< 1621524838 265718 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :they took my nickname away.
< 1621524847 284714 :phhh!52177139@82.23.113.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao
< 1621524849 613667 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't swap to imode.
< 1621524860 702396 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode: Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable
< 1621524903 775806 :phhh!52177139@82.23.113.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie i will resign over this
< 1621524908 470570 :river!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1621524908 578011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cloak with `esolangs` in it would make more sense to me than one with `esoteric` in it.
< 1621524934 128372 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :imode1: real mature
< 1621524937 874546 :phhh!52177139@82.23.113.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the sense of mystery
< 1621525007 698483 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is fucking hilarious.
< 1621525031 751808 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that doesn't give any of you an indication of where this network is headed, I don't know what will.
< 1621525080 41376 :phhh!52177139@82.23.113.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an important reminder that the domain name is often the single most important piece of property associated with an internet thing
> 1621525144 908924 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83114&oldid=83107 5* 03Taneb 5* (+360) 10
< 1621525154 677423 :phhh!52177139@82.23.113.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit man we won't have aloril around on libera.chat
< 1621525601 956448 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :so long, freenode.
< 1621525606 268036 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :been on this network since 06.
< 1621525612 636958 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :was a wild ride.
< 1621525619 420057 :imode1!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :see y'all on libera.
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< 1621525655 966816 :phhh!52177139@82.23.113.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get why, if lee literally only owns the domain, the other faction hasn't just pointed a different domain name to the same servers and cut him off
< 1621525726 720620 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :phhh: I think they have to convince each sponsor individually, since they think they're sponsoring Freenode.
< 1621525737 9024 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for better or worse
< 1621525813 648123 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And reading between the line the user data got sold too so they couldn't just take existing nickname registrations and channels without risking a legal fight? Or maybe they wanted a fresh start. Or both.
< 1621525833 638235 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy to speculate, hard to know :P
< 1621525860 447437 :phhh!52177139@82.23.113.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they were pretty clear that lee owns literally none of the infrastructure except the domain name
< 1621525872 38097 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :phhh: they'd also need to change everyone's client configuration to point to the new domain
< 1621525894 53940 :phhh!52177139@82.23.113.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, which they could effectively mobilise people to do by breaking freenode.org
< 1621525918 424091 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it should be fairly clear which side has the better lawyers
< 1621525960 330249 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/has/can afford/
< 1621525974 887674 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, or both
< 1621525978 632423 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably both
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< 1621527517 402581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would imagine the servers are sponsored by organizations that make decisions at a slightly slower rate than "in hours". But I'm curious to see if and how many of them decide to abandon freenode.
< 1621527618 275945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually trying to squint at https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode in case something's happened already, but I think it's just dropped by one so far.
< 1621527684 15759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And that can just be the usual noise.)
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< 1621528660 139040 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im moving to libera but staying on freenode as well
< 1621528678 185440 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im going to need hard evidence before i abandon freenode
< 1621528789 374395 :mniip!mniip@b.deneb.mniip.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, unfortunately it's not about the lawyers
< 1621528802 590444 :mniip!mniip@b.deneb.mniip.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sale contract was pretty specific
< 1621529587 511554 :jix!~jix@static.71.5.69.159.clients.your-server.de PART #esoteric :"part"
< 1621529783 314621 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libera_Chat
< 1621529795 660277 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Founded	19 May 2021; 1 day ago
< 1621529804 737075 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Average users	10,000
< 1621529810 500722 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
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< 1621530042 869632 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :During last connections to libera.chat its servers reported an average of 9271 users and 8823 chat rooms
< 1621530054 636986 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 channel per user
< 1621530056 414528 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahah
< 1621530115 381942 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be very chatty in there
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< 1621530570 53190 :mniip!mniip@b.deneb.mniip.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know people can be in multiple channels
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< 1621531590 999562 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION moved the esolang categories daily scraper from Github's Actions to Google Cloud's Run + Scheduler
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< 1621535242 529462 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Lee only owns the domain name, and the DNS isn't changed, then it might not cause a problem unless you are using TLS, maybe, since I don't know if the certificate will remain valid.
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< 1621535675 279486 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, I don't know if the DNS would be changed in future, anyways.)
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< 1621536217 334449 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peronally i have to side with the freenode ownerr. These volunteers have made a WHOLE bunch of claims that have yet to be substianiated
< 1621536266 456986 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whats wrong with a company sponsoring Freenode? People think freenode is cheap to run
< 1621536279 710093 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfmlmcazimegaulf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as the network stays fee thats all that matters
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< 1621538095 286644 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't think freenode is cheap to run, but the domain owner does not pay anything
< 1621538137 796396 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, he doesn't really have any reason to own the domain
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< 1621542098 833587 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: which is why he's waving around a contract
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< 1621542187 719854 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't say he doesn't have the rights
< 1621542208 715536 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just doesn't need to own it
< 1621542278 657794 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as somebody that knows one of the ex-staffers that got legal pressure personally, and also regarding lees history, i am way more inclined to believe the staffers
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< 1621542728 368641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUNET has seen fit to sponsor the new thing, that's good enough for me. ;) I don't know, there's something more natural about an IRC server hosted by a university thing, that's how IRC servers *should* be.
< 1621542783 427873 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :What swayed me was sheer numbers. At one point in time, 4 staffers were left in #freenode, that was pathetic, especially since one of them was Lee himself...
< 1621542819 137172 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does say something that all of the old staffers acted together
< 1621542836 252341 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's that story about snoonet...
< 1621542917 303690 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never heard about snoonet before that whole freenet thing
< 1621542919 556456 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm pretty sure the staffers are morally right. I'm mostly worried about Libera itself failing somehow, say, through lack of sponsors. Nothing I can substantiate, they're just new.
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< 1621546910 611389 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh? :o
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< 1621547035 337423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: For the record, I was basing that 100% on the publicly visible fact that iridium.libera.chat says "provided by NORDUnet/SUNET" and is in their network. https://netsplit.de/servers/details.php?host=iridium.libera.chat
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> 1621547381 209806 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83115&oldid=83114 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+1128) 10/* Freenode and the future */ Thoughts about networks.
< 1621547447 443401 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1621547473 971302 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, checks out; NORDUnet did (does?) sponsor a server on freenode
< 1621547479 634786 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wasn't aware :p
< 1621547664 941175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolfe.freenode.net (which I think is/was theirs) doesn't seem to be answering me at the moment, whatever that means. I think I had that on my explicit-for-no-reason server list for geographical closeness to Finland, before moving.
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< 1621548868 56907 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a number of features that I would not want (or that I would want, but are not implemented) for setting up my own IRC channels, but for some others it can do.
< 1621549903 697994 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? freenode
< 1621549906 231809 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Realm of Freenode is our homeland. The Chännel dwells in it since... Uhm... Quite a few years ago?
< 1621550045 175170 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo 9Ls-TD1tj_J4
< 1621550047 96974 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :9Ls-TD1tj_J4
< 1621550053 560536 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you here too, fungot?
< 1621550054 206878 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, i think that that is not necessary to import such wines from third countries may have to set the seal on this debate in the national parliaments should be the new government has been agreed upon by the council to adopt a general plan for humanitarian aid or the request for a repeat vote during the may part-session, which says that we should deal with the spread of animal diseases with a cap that, in the w
< 1621550072 628017 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn libera Libera is the land of the future. Maybe.
< 1621550075 684776 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learned 'libera': libera Libera is the land of the future. Maybe.
< 1621550085 459574 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Libera is the land of the future. Maybe.
< 1621550088 93417 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relearned 'libera': Libera is the land of the future. Maybe.
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< 1621551311 614081 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that we can see if it comes to any problems in Freenode, and if so then it can be moved to Libera, but even right away the log and other handling should be prepared in case the move is necessary in future. (If the program supports that, it can also be moved to others too if that somehow becomes necessary, I suppose.)
< 1621551366 213745 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think fizzie is just blowing his copious free time on exactly that
< 1621551454 767891 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, good
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< 1621551671 649686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not entirely, but I did do a little bit of it. At least the log collection, if not the presentation.
< 1621551744 881003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we do want to keep channels in both networks connected by a bridge for some nontrivial amount of time, I could be convinced to do that over the esowiki/esolangs bot pair.
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> 1621559197 468796 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07314]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83116 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+936) 10Created page with "3 is an esoteric programming language which is a subset of JavaScript. In 3, every sequence of 3 consecutive character must contain at least one 3.  ==Sample Programs==  ===He..."
> 1621559222 740135 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83117&oldid=83116 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+1) 10
> 1621560645 257907 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83118&oldid=83117 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+82) 10
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< 1621579036 895397 :kritixilithos!~kritixili@gateway/tor-sasl/kritixilithos NICK :ksdfj
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< 1621579481 811812 :ksdfj!~ksdfj@gateway/tor-sasl/ksdfj PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm libera still doesn't have tor access
< 1621579512 634169 :ksdfj!~ksdfj@gateway/tor-sasl/ksdfj PRIVMSG #esoteric :although b_jonas has good points
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< 1621593363 50152 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf https://esolangs.org/wiki/41943040000000000000000000000
< 1621593402 587485 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's Heavpoot
< 1621593413 803807 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: it's 20^22, so a pun on the other future languages they made
< 1621593428 614471 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"made"
< 1621593431 386548 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"future"
< 1621593498 163392 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... https://esolangs.org/wiki/Macron
< 1621593562 235670 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: did you see the history
< 1621593600 559935 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: that one was initially supposed to be "made" in 2026
< 1621593626 916424 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are planning skills
< 1621593639 114975 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should show them in job interview
< 1621593650 327390 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also https://esolangs.org/wiki/Categorial
< 1621593665 183675 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 is enough.
< 1621593683 487744 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the only item in the category https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:5D_Brainfuck_With_Multiverse_Time_Travel_derivatives
< 1621593699 550213 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean he made a lot of categories
< 1621593771 481841 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we missed that edit cf. https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Categorial&diff=79215&oldid=77006
< 1621593817 979026 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just... we have a lot of jokes on the wiki, and we tolerate those. But the wiki itself isn't supposed to be a joke.
> 1621593851 436531 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Categorial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83119&oldid=81196 5* 03Int-e 5* (-66) 10Remove non-category, again. Sigh.
< 1621594114 886042 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Turing_Complete probably should be https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Turing_complete
< 1621594373 999519 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: you could fix the category in the one language that spells it wrong
< 1621594472 230326 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e I'm not sure what are the policies
< 1621594481 177802 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it should be a redirect?
< 1621594523 304547 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: there's only one language in the category, not worth a redirect
> 1621594575 665312 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07C = theNextIntegerThatComesAfterAnotherIntegerWithTheValueOf(c)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83120&oldid=80756 5* 03Int-e 5* (+0) 10fix cat(meow)egory typo
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< 1621595650 116555 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it can theoretically do anything C++ can, except be actually good."
< 1621595656 475918 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know c++ could be good
< 1621595831 769495 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: heh, that sentence can be parsed in several ways
< 1621595847 513755 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1621595957 355295 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a huge stretch, but given the idea that C++ can't actually be good, you could extract that unlike C++, this language can actually be good.
< 1621596136 899414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :That said, subsets of C++ can be nice. Wars have been fought about which subsets these are :P [citation needed]
< 1621596186 399926 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have yet to see one
< 1621596477 393459 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like STL (the sausage way... don't ask what's inside), I like having namespaces associated with structs, and I avoid OO.
< 1621596574 377371 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so far I don't care for the newer additions to C++, except for threads (C++11). And maybe the closure bit, though the syntax for those is atrocious.
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> 1621602693 558247 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Fargo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83121&oldid=81584 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+3) 10/* Truth-machine */ fix
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< 1621609914 679997 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
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> 1621611364 214052 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Yogurt14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83141 5* 03Ilaylevy 5* (+446) 10Created page with "

Yogurt is a language that uses only 1 character to do a certain action, for example:

{| class="wikitable" |+ Caption text |- ! Symbol !! Action |- | p || prints the c..." < 1621611420 176377 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's brainfuck without loops > 1621611454 716233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83142&oldid=83139 5* 03Batata 5* (+0) 10 > 1621611481 306132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83143&oldid=83142 5* 03Batata 5* (+9) 10 < 1621611700 920678 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone finally fixed the Dregni on Introduce yourself < 1621611719 851887 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1621615140 103449 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`env < 1621615140 870648 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :PATH=/hackenv/bin:/usr/bin:/bin \ TERM=linux \ HOME=/tmp \ HACKENV=/hackenv \ IRC_NICK=b_jonas \ IRC_IDENT=~a \ IRC_HOST=catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu \ IRC_COMMAND=PRIVMSG \ IRC_TARGET=#esoteric \ IRC_MESSAGE=`env \ http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128 \ LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 > 1621615453 164 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eek!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83144&oldid=83022 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (-464) 10 < 1621616337 411676 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621616407 52251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eek!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83145&oldid=83144 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+50) 10 > 1621616483 620716 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eek!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83146&oldid=83145 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+41) 10 < 1621617331 146374 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? trap < 1621617332 285979 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :trap? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1621617335 699030 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? mv < 1621617336 900343 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1621617620 931779 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00a426a961debddd3d.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621617893 842002 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eek!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83147&oldid=83146 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+493) 10 > 1621619193 491553 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Eek!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83148&oldid=83147 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+2) 10 < 1621619199 839496 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621619239 671368 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PaRappa14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83149 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+3311) 10Created page with "'''PaRappa''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] that is based on the rhythm game "PaRappa The Rapper". The code is meant to look like the gameplay. It is nearly identica..." < 1621619291 219320 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00f02ffe1d0bb65878.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric > 1621619326 668344 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Zero player rodent14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83150&oldid=83023 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+15) 10 > 1621619545 387595 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03E97m2813flz1a 5* 10New user account > 1621619900 9353 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83151&oldid=83140 5* 03E97m2813flz1a 5* (+129) 10Introduce myself < 1621620128 237600 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621621084 930334 :Wezl!Wezl@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ozyfhifrdxuhjpfa PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 3.0.1" > 1621621354 223362 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07IRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83152&oldid=67566 5* 03E97m2813flz1a 5* (+345) 10Describe the situation after Freenode takeover < 1621621792 750886 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621623077 361208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03RobynTiger 5* 10New user account > 1621623249 316660 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83153&oldid=83151 5* 03RobynTiger 5* (+161) 10/* Introductions */ < 1621623319 425507 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1621623322 829571 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621623499 263535 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:RobynTiger14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83154 5* 03RobynTiger 5* (+151) 10Created page with "First-year Computer Science and Mathematics student :D (I'll add more interesting stuff here later, I guess xD) [https://github.com/robyntiger GitHub]" > 1621625207 396600 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RCEM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83155&oldid=83090 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+313) 10Corrected an error in the resizing of the memory vector, introduced this scaling for other commands, and fixed an erroneous type declaration. < 1621626054 898217 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621626158 793216 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode JOIN :#esoteric < 1621626171 994649 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hell is going on on libera. < 1621626301 222696 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1621626347 864711 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :the network is having a bit of a hard time. < 1621626366 554499 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :connections are terminating, splits are happening. < 1621626374 45678 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :response times are off the wall. < 1621626387 207192 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope it's not some kind of stupid denial of service. < 1621626887 208030 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621627001 774024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, like being back in the days of IRC wars. < 1621627047 956575 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621627052 890125 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://youtu.be/xu6gmQCljfo < 1621627108 125806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least these sort of newfangled networks have services. < 1621627123 855995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keeping a channel on IRCnet was much more exciting. < 1621627154 850017 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: even worse, keeping ops around... < 1621627171 679420 :les-citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1621627291 615372 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to libera! < 1621627293 612659 :imode!~imode@unaffiliated/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.1 < 1621627506 115621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRCnet did add the +r / +R modes in ircd 2.10 or 2.11 or something. < 1621627518 122292 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.179 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1621627527 355674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which reops a randomly selected person matching the given masks if the channel has no ops left.) < 1621627534 763783 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621627617 225826 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think it also has extra modes besides op and voiced, one of which help with persistance somehow < 1621627626 996298 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I don't quite know how it works < 1621628073 950835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also added ! channels, which are pretty funky. < 1621628110 867841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You join !!foo to create one, and it joins you onto !XXXXXfoo, where XXXXX is a randomly chosen 5-character identifier. < 1621628161 480246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then if there's a netsplit and the other side loses track of your channel, if someone tries to recreate it to get ops on it, it'll likely get a different identifier, and then post-split you end up with two different channels. < 1621628190 420339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joining !foo will join !XXXXXfoo if it's unambiguous, I don't remember what it does when it's not. < 1621628211 104896 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; the channel types ! & + all ignore this net splitting problem although for three different reasons. < 1621628325 854686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the only ! channel where I still spend time on is !ucr7kassembly, which has had that same identifier since at least 2004. (It's for the Finnish demoscene event, Assembly.) < 1621628704 889776 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621628972 18756 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 2.9 < 1621629193 665795 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.179 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1621630409 124719 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83156&oldid=83143 5* 03Batata 5* (+36) 10 > 1621630568 401883 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83157&oldid=83156 5* 03Batata 5* (+78) 10 < 1621630839 348867 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ignore/avoid/ < 1621631243 37767 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621631625 442245 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621631667 662525 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621631692 549943 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621631973 688683 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1621632008 908170 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Batata14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83158 5* 03Batata 5* (+1) 10Created page with "e" < 1621632362 536181 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621632919 106457 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621632938 339732 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric > 1621633015 784849 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83159&oldid=83157 5* 03Batata 5* (+88) 10 > 1621633033 426917 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83160&oldid=83159 5* 03Batata 5* (+1) 10 < 1621633157 479801 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00f02ffe1d0bb65878.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” < 1621634170 164911 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621634842 436348 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1621634959 222958 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1621636102 848104 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621636146 938698 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Quit: gone too far < 1621636366 662034 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621636446 949843 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83161&oldid=83160 5* 03Batata 5* (+37) 10 < 1621638431 920801 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621638709 911996 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621639292 828156 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621639581 826582 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621641163 780515 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621641303 899051 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621641323 659693 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621642966 966580 :Cale!~cale@cpef48e38ee8583-cm0c473de9d680.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1621644311 581721 :xkapastel!uid17782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lixmsfufznotpxlh QUIT : < 1621644862 550169 :Horst!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1621644862 701098 :Horst!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Excess Flood < 1621645007 366506 :Horst147852369!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1621645059 308497 :Horst147852369!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621645077 686234 :Horst147852369!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1621645123 145530 :Horst147852369!~PhpIrcCli@ip1f100486.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621645215 567569 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83162&oldid=83161 5* 03Batata 5* (+48) 10 > 1621645259 171878 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83163&oldid=83162 5* 03Batata 5* (+2) 10 < 1621645792 854731 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621646091 894201 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621646813 31704 :esowiki!~esowiki@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/esowiki JOIN :#esoteric > 1621646858 729530 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think there's about 25% likelihood it will do anything meaningful. > 1621646887 949845 PRIVMSG #esoteric : On the other hand, if it does work, it'll be the first time fungot says anything over on this side. < 1621646920 218131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, except it won't, because fungot ignores esowiki for obvious reasons. Heh, didn't think of that. < 1621646920 561577 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think that honourable members are representatives of the european union, i.e. the problem is not that people are still listening. in those circumstances, as often as is necessary. > 1621646936 960985 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, it worked indirectly, I guess. > 1621647017 235730 PRIVMSG #esoteric : If anyone wants to turn that off for any reason at all, just say "brctl: ignore freenode/*" and "brctl: ignore libera/*", that should stop it from doing anything. > 1621647062 148132 PRIVMSG #esoteric : neeeeat. > 1621647104 913425 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm sure there's a corner case beyond that of the spam thing that we didn't think of that'll ruin everything. > 1621647113 440914 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I should probably check that the logging is still working, at least. > 1621647188 510713 PRIVMSG #esoteric : How do I opt out of being bridged? < 1621647287 587213 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :brctl: ignored > 1621647287 587271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brctl: Ignore list: freenode/shachaf libera/shachaf > 1621647321 972648 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot? > 1621647330 35277 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungooooot. < 1621647331 754619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess those brctl commands didn't show up on this side. Thinking about these things is hard. > 1621647341 390055 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh it will be ignoring esowiki over there < 1621647358 324840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you have to invoke it over here, then the replies will be piped over. < 1621647374 76620 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1621647374 572609 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :int-e: mr president, i would also like to say something which the european union, the forests are often the very ones which do actually protect the interests of safety to subject aircraft control and monitoring of that strategy. i am sure that you are right to say that the commission is unwilling to apply this decision retroactively and share the satisfaction of everyone's needs. regarding the recent agreement made over the nex > 1621647409 960129 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so what's the plan for the bridge, are y'all moving to libera or are you maintaining a presence. > 1621647455 208367 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the resulting logs will not be confusing at all < 1621647461 125731 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :у / ý / ÿ / ŷ / ƴ / ȳ / ɏ / ỳ / ỹ / ỿ / ẏ / ẙ / ỵ / ỷ > 1621647464 444951 PRIVMSG #esoteric : у / ý / ÿ / ŷ / ƴ / ȳ / ɏ / ỳ / ỹ / ỿ / ẏ / ẙ / ỵ / ỷ > 1621647490 640514 PRIVMSG #esoteric : As for plans, I don't really know yet for sure. I guess we're kind of exploring the configuration space. > 1621647541 379155 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fair. > 1621647543 367952 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's a little bit of talk at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_portal#Freenode_and_the_future if you missed that link. > 1621647571 55871 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I had it in my history but haven't checked it. > 1621647580 878828 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not many comments. > 1621647856 760624 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think personally I'd be up for migrating here as the sort of main location, but I don't know how maybe-less-active-right-now-but-still-well-established channel regulars feel. > 1621647956 974774 PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw, velik is logging too < 1621648018 331249 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! > 1621648394 30487 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: Re logs, yeah, especially if opting out becomes commonplace. Well, we can give up on the bridge if it gets too much, just couldn't resist. > 1621648439 522609 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Also, the ignore list is just in-memory at this point.) > 1621648952 826262 PRIVMSG #esoteric : a bridge, you say < 1621648988 254346 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN :#esoteric < 1621649020 158656 :user3456!user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-csqkewytzwifjdsp PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a bridge < 1621649032 502457 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621649048 197104 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Over troubled water, no doubt. > 1621649266 951034 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm, if I turn off windows_auto_renumber, I think I could maybe convince irssi to give the "parallel universe" channels window numbers that are, say, offset by 100 from the ones I'm used to, and that way remember what the numbers mean. < 1621649315 506518 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1621649318 692898 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:AndrewBayly14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83164 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+58) 10Created page with "Hi, I'm Andrew. Here are the esolangs that I have created:" > 1621649564 479709 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:AndrewBayly14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83165&oldid=83164 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+447) 10 > 1621649601 452942 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:AndrewBayly14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83166&oldid=83165 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+0) 10 > 1621650414 550233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: you can also put multiple channels into the same window if you wish, though you may have to change the formatting to distinguish them then > 1621650450 831544 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh hey, you enabled a bridge to freenode? < 1621650454 970826 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work both directions? > 1621650461 226316 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes it does, jonas > 1621650553 540774 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " I'm sure there's a corner case beyond that of the spam thing that we didn't think of that'll ruin everything." => bot loops probably > 1621650579 698968 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah; I don't know if it's a good idea, but it's there for now. At least a cross-network botloop would be somewhat novel. > 1621650644 423753 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's a few "brctl:"-prefixed commands that anyone can use to manage which nicknames are ignored, and as a special case * will match all nicks if you need to turn it off completely and I'm not around. > 1621650690 812207 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: as for OFTC and the +s flag, I believe that's as much of a policy as freenode's ## prefix in channel names > 1621650715 530365 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? log > 1621650717 661971 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​#esoteric channel logs: https://esolangs.org/logs/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ https://github.com/KrzysztofSzewczyk/esologs/ > 1621650821 611189 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ``` echo "let's see what the bridge does with long lines. they should just be truncated."; seq 999 > 1621650823 256274 PRIVMSG #esoteric : let's see what the bridge does with long lines. they should just be truncated. \ 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 6 \ 7 \ 8 \ 9 \ 10 \ 11 \ 12 \ 13 \ 14 \ 15 \ 16 \ 17 \ 18 \ 19 \ 20 \ 21 \ 22 \ 23 \ 24 \ 25 \ 26 \ 27 \ 28 \ 29 \ 30 \ 31 \ 32 \ 33 \ 34 \ 35 \ 36 \ 37 \ 38 \ 39 \ 40 \ 41 \ 42 \ 43 \ 44 \ 45 \ 46 \ 47 \ 48 \ 49 \ 50 \ 51 \ 52 \ 53 \ 54 \ 55 \ 56 \ 57 \ 58 \ 59 \ 60 \ 61 \ 62 \ 63 \ 64 \ 65 \ 66 \ 67 \ 68 \ 69 \ 70 \ 71 \ 72 \ 73 \ 74 \ 75 \ 76 \ 77 \ 78 > 1621650823 740671 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: > 1 > 1621650861 239534 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @run 1 > 1621650862 843981 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1621650895 186433 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @run 2 < 1621650896 628168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1621650905 797134 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, good. < 1621651879 930833 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves to the bridge > 1621651894 250128 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess clients might differ in how they render that > 1621652139 628689 PRIVMSG #esoteric : . > 1621652168 231959 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: how did you send that without the bridge forwarding it? < 1621652344 116452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there a github for logs? < 1621652383 988441 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? why < 1621652385 157648 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1621652473 918222 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no particular reason; the attitude is, they're there, they're public, so they should be listed in the topic > 1621653464 854848 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The thing with notices is, the client-side presentation is all over the place. Especially in irssi, where they get the channel name for no reason. < 1621653469 937653 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1621653481 142092 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I did consider forwarding them too, though. < 1621653491 552253 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1621653501 526280 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In Hexchat, it also shows the channel name > 1621653513 590053 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like this: [11:01:50] -18int-e/22##esoteric- that worked < 1621653552 65171 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1621653582 15746 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://youtu.be/T0NYZDGTA5g the l0de radio hour is live! IRC's FINEST HOUR, the late night call in show where you are the star! Call in live, tonight's episl0de: A Small White Dog > 1621653616 102186 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, the first forwarded spam. > 1621653640 398172 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Technically all bot replies are supposed to be NOTICEs, and no bot should ever automatically reply to a NOTICE. But nobody actually follows the first half of that. It would entirely prevent botloops, though. < 1621653704 348153 :user3456!user3456@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-csqkewytzwifjdsp PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least libera.chat's antispam kicked in > 1621653733 831143 PRIVMSG #esoteric : RFC 2812: "The difference between NOTICE and PRIVMSG is that automatic replies MUST NEVER be sent in response to a NOTICE message. -- This is typically used by services, and automatons (clients with either an AI or other interactive program controlling their actions)." < 1621653784 32607 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm > 1621653792 886472 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well that went out of the window when mIRC came along, didn't it > 1621653801 166438 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and turned notices into popups > 1621653871 306204 PRIVMSG #esoteric : irssi hilights me on channel wide notices too. > 1621653872 209078 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (that's probably, and hopefully, no longer the case) > 1621653942 828485 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shikhin: check the /hilight settings? I'd expect that notices are mentioned somewhere in their explicitely then, but I'm not sure > 1621653947 192920 PRIVMSG #esoteric : their->there > 1621655597 639823 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://youtu.be/T0NYZDGTA5g the l0de radio hour is live! IRC's FINEST HOUR, the late night call in show where you are the star! Call in live, tonight's episl0de: A Small White Dog < 1621657146 686462 :aloril!~aloril@86-60-148-78.dynamic.lounea.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621657978 731221 :aloril!~aloril@mobile-access-5672d3-28.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1621658171 882653 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621658449 884349 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621660527 814980 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621660786 629889 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621661424 779473 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621661687 759622 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1621663986 969026 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Assign14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83167 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+2258) 10Created page with "Assign is an esoteric programming language that is a subset of JavaScript. In Assign there are no assignment, increment or decrement operators. ==Strategy== I found that to w..." > 1621664053 67863 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Assign14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83168&oldid=83167 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+82) 10 > 1621664110 129773 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:AndrewBayly14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83169&oldid=83166 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+88) 10 > 1621664427 703527 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Kwes 5* 10New user account > 1621664504 890423 PRIVMSG #esoteric : /!\ THIS CHANNEL HAS MOVED TO IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #HAMRADIO /!\ > 1621664634 967245 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83170&oldid=83153 5* 03Kwes 5* (+185) 10 > 1621664669 22494 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Kwes14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83171 5* 03Kwes 5* (+12) 10Created page with "making stuff" < 1621664672 627902 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621664926 649408 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621665185 488729 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Yogurt14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83172&oldid=83141 5* 03Ilaylevy 5* (-4) 10 > 1621665387 671442 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean. no? < 1621665872 852745 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621665940 255783 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm a bit confused where those bots come from. like, is it someone from new freenode to annoy people that switched? > 1621666562 656811 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's very similar to previous spam waves... feels like just people who enjoy getting people to react to it < 1621666570 985717 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PART :#esoteric > 1621667409 54750 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mm, trolls > 1621667437 596709 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the conspiracist in me thinks all this drama is manufactured to benefit Discord > 1621667446 687477 PRIVMSG #esoteric : chaos, Discord, confusion, bureaucracy, aftermath > 1621667461 574575 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also I'm still in freenode #esoteric and it's "fun" to see my messages mirrored there < 1621667469 62726 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PRIVMSG #esoteric :dongs > 1621667559 626034 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Confusion would be a good name for a discord competitor > 1621667879 342828 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes > 1621667939 841302 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i mean one of their major competitors is Slack > 1621667949 157391 PRIVMSG #esoteric : which I assume is a reference to the Church of the SubGenius, an offshoot of Discordianism > 1621667955 981900 PRIVMSG #esoteric : which came first I'm not sure > 1621667997 75596 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but this is one of these "holy shit, the people in my cohort of awkward weird nerds grew up and are running the world now" things > 1621668033 428169 PRIVMSG #esoteric : meanwhile I briefly worked for an also-ran web chat service based on Zephyr (named Zulip, now open source) and got fired for being depressed before my shares vested > 1621668036 464083 PRIVMSG #esoteric : c'est la vie. > 1621668880 43719 PRIVMSG #esoteric : /!\ THIS CHANNEL HAS MOVED TO IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #HAMRADIO /!\ > 1621668883 34318 PRIVMSG #esoteric : /!\ JOIN #HAMRADIO TODAY. THIS CHANNEL HAS MOVED TO IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #HAMRADIO /!\ < 1621669509 270815 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1621669531 553440 :hakatashi!~hakatashi@104.131.49.125 JOIN :#esoteric > 1621669708 458076 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION morning! < 1621669853 863482 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1621669879 812506 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621670180 713904 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1621670816 753905 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1621670997 669425 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621671030 754574 PRIVMSG #esoteric : good morning > 1621671037 555333 PRIVMSG #esoteric : relay bot not so good with CTCP ACTION < 1621672218 520790 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-autoisfhmajvchds QUIT :*.net *.split < 1621672218 647615 :op_4!~tslil@2a01:4f8:c0c:7952::1 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1621672219 38308 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621672242 841272 :naivesheep!~naiveshee@dhcp-108-168-36-20.cable.user.start.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1621672270 888028 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-autoisfhmajvchds JOIN :#esoteric < 1621672270 974664 :op_4!~tslil@2a01:4f8:c0c:7952::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621672460 28919 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621672523 562165 :none30!none30matr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lxaoubzimnryythm QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1621672561 222142 PRIVMSG #esoteric : keegan: how's it going < 1621672585 20274 :Discordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rjesqsybzqipydwi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1621672680 541165 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie also you can blacklist the "/!\" substring < 1621673767 162157 :none30!none30matr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ncvvffyumhqzxehq JOIN :#esoteric < 1621674178 938576 :Discordian[m]!discordi1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-vxcvxdmfbajgdpkf JOIN :#esoteric > 1621674246 905684 PRIVMSG #esoteric : keegan: You can opt out from being bridged if you like, by saying "brctl: ignore keegan" on this side. > 1621674370 431373 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'll filter out /!\ though that's pretty specific to this particular spam wave. > 1621674457 671737 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I faintly remember some #hamradio-themed spam from time before the split, wonder why that one gets picked on so much. > 1621674728 51177 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Hmmmmmmmm 5* 10New user account < 1621674759 217858 :esowiki!~esowiki@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/esowiki JOIN :#esoteric > 1621675141 742621 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83173&oldid=83170 5* 03Hmmmmmmmm 5* (+213) 10Add my user introduction > 1621675146 618051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hmmmmmmmm14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83174 5* 03Hmmmmmmmm 5* (+185) 10Make my own account page < 1621677247 305202 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll suspend my twitch IRC analytics project and probably delete my account since they made another post where they continue falsely accusing their users in "hating women" to censor the fact that they became a platform for prostitution < 1621677428 695878 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the only network where I currently saw the Tags IRC v3 feature > 1621677685 407714 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18:34:24 If IRC had past message editing capabilities, I'd make that thing collapse consecutive edits the same way the recent changes page does. > 1621677719 534938 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://ircv3.net/ - IRCv3 Features - Grouping related messages to simplify collapsing and display of those messages to users. < 1621677877 216124 :esowiki!~esowiki@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/esowiki JOIN :#esoteric > 1621677889 626656 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, I saw that mentioned somewhere. > 1621678445 652016 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this editing/collapsing stuff changes things a lot > 1621678477 692789 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we are used to that if we open the logs we see the same that we see in chat > 1621678518 711426 PRIVMSG #esoteric : now we have to add some post processing to convert logs to "real" chat log > 1621678618 485910 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and how are we supposed to split logs by days if there was a message collapse over the 00:00 < 1621680055 531434 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621680290 492358 :FireFly!znc@unaffiliated/firefly PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 2.0.1" < 1621681962 594522 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00e9ffb447d7bf2ebe.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric > 1621682230 118248 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* 10New user account > 1621682312 955729 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83175&oldid=83173 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* (+233) 10/* Introductions */ > 1621682525 602482 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: So I went ahead and had a pre-discussion with Libera staff, and they're okay with the notion of having an 'esolangs' community at #esolangs, but having #esoteric forward to it for "quite some time", which I think probably means "up until a group of aspiring magicians wants to claim it for their rites". I think I'd be happy with that? People can still keep making the jokes on the rare occasion > 1621682531 601448 PRIVMSG #esoteric : someone comes in confused. > 1621682746 380472 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MarioLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83176&oldid=79839 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* (+732) 10Example added: Truth machine > 1621682756 745441 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: So I went ahead and had a pre-discussion with Libera staff, and they're okay with the notion of having an 'esolangs' community at #esolangs, but having #esoteric forward to it for "quite some time", which I think probably means "up until a group of aspiring magicians wants to claim it for their rites". I think I'd be happy with that? People can still keep making the jokes on the rare occasion > 1621682762 833988 PRIVMSG #esoteric : someone comes in confused. > 1621683138 515976 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MarioLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83177&oldid=83176 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* (+269) 10/* Parts */ Disambiguations > 1621683160 940881 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MarioLANG14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83178&oldid=83177 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* (-2) 10/* Parts */ Format error < 1621683193 127101 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621683572 811122 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621683856 842960 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1621683960 673800 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:HaleyHalcyon14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83179 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* (+1753) 10Created page with "== MarioLANG test cases == The code is run on the sandbox at TIO.run. === Multiple elevators on the same X coordinate === ==== Code ==== > :! "===== > ! ==..." < 1621684376 951234 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621684578 224140 PRIVMSG #esoteric : do I understand right that it's practically impossible to add a language to https://tio.run/# ? because the last commit I see in their repo 2 years ago and there are hanging pull requests in both repos > 1621684919 978737 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it would be nice if there was some frontend for arbitrary languages execution so I would need only provide a backend > 1621684930 549817 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've heard of TIO, but I don't think I've ever actually used it. > 1621684933 99617 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Lovely language list, though: probably the first time I've seen Quadrefunge, Quintefunge, Sexefunge and Septefunge mentioned anywhere. > 1621684958 710693 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:HaleyHalcyon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83180&oldid=83179 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* (+873) 10/* MarioLANG test cases */ > 1621685157 386461 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:HaleyHalcyon14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83181&oldid=83180 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* (+120) 10/* Wall/floor interchangeability */ > 1621685185 569960 PRIVMSG #esoteric : looks like they were mirroring every language https://github.com/TryItOnline?q=&type=&language=&sort= > 1621685207 881461 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MarioLANG14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83182&oldid=83178 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* (+74) 10/* Instructions to Mario */ < 1621685411 186581 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT : < 1621685427 570701 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621686210 845198 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric > 1621686786 51847 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83183&oldid=83115 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+690) 10/* Freenode and the future */ On community registration. < 1621686938 386099 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric > 1621687095 104918 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: I wonder if with webassembly and such it'd be viable to make something like this that doesnt need server resources (outside hosting the files somewhere), runs all the interpreters in the browser > 1621687233 114264 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Kind of reminds me of how the Internet Archive has all those old pieces of old software in a playable state by running the emulation in the browser. > 1621687949 572369 PRIVMSG #esoteric : should be easily possible. there are cross compiled linuxes that run entirelyy in browsers < 1621688024 714375 :ksdfj!~ksdfj@gateway/tor-sasl/ksdfj JOIN :#esoteric > 1621688236 963976 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: sure, we can go to #esolangs . it matches the esolangs.org domain name that points to the wiki. < 1621688272 880623 :ksdfj!~ksdfj@gateway/tor-sasl/ksdfj PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakilon: re TIO yeah, the chatroom's starboard https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/44255 explains why < 1621688312 636781 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what brand of DVD demagnetizer do you recommend? < 1621688313 211971 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: mr president, i should like us to be very significant and important, being adopted in due course should that appear necessary. finally, our obligation, as it sometimes does not immediately become obligatory and an essential service. with regard to these circumstances it is believed that this issue is already covered by the definition of the fields of finance for innovation and growth. < 1621688367 873391 :ksdfj!~ksdfj@gateway/tor-sasl/ksdfj PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it would be nice if there was some frontend for arbitrary languages execution so I would need only provide a backend" you mean you'd be willing to host it? < 1621688404 547033 :ksdfj!~ksdfj@gateway/tor-sasl/ksdfj PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the frontend is somewhere in the github > 1621688420 963069 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you mean like llvm? > 1621688480 756551 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: you could just have it run an interpreter, since you have a high chance that you can find an interpreter ran in a language that TIO can already run > 1621688518 835492 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you may need to do some porting, but probably not more porting than you'd need to do to run the same interpreter in browser client side < 1621688703 456818 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621688799 396919 :ksdfj!~ksdfj@gateway/tor-sasl/ksdfj PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recently learnt of a wasm interpreter for k https://ktye.github.io/, for which i believe the author wrote their own c-dialect to wasm converter https://github.com/ktye/i/blob/master/_/i3/w/readme < 1621691449 727933 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1621691483 803462 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1621691660 637392 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00e9ffb447d7bf2ebe.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621692215 78681 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03T0mi10 5* 10New user account > 1621692437 956983 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clockwise14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83184&oldid=82736 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+215) 10Add input, Truth-machine, and cat program > 1621692630 663679 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clockwise14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83185&oldid=83184 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-66) 10/* Examples */ Remove annoying ZWSPs, and prevent them > 1621692781 251625 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clockwise14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83186&oldid=83185 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-3) 10Remove the last ZWSP > 1621692860 588207 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clockwise14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83187&oldid=83186 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+51) 10/* Commands */ Bangyen's suggestion > 1621693370 962623 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: sounds reasonable to me, and about what I'd expect from policy etc. < 1621694341 216459 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00293c718687f63537.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1621695243 22740 :ksdfj!~ksdfj@gateway/tor-sasl/ksdfj QUIT :Quit: quit < 1621695546 801103 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1621695883 592094 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas I mean I just need a frontend for RASEL; don't want to reinvent this webpage with forms and stuff > 1621695942 849221 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the backend can be trivially done serverless in Cloud Run > 1621696006 501313 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and even moderated call rate via additional layer with a lightweight webserver that would track how often it's being spinned < 1621696013 797941 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73 JOIN :#esoteric > 1621696226 592710 PRIVMSG #esoteric : TIL Excel has lambda for some time now > 1621696232 968160 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and let! > 1621696248 62194 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/blog/lambda-the-ultimatae-excel-worksheet-function < 1621696266 251842 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so bridge is working? > 1621696559 161986 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yep, though I think I'll be moving this end of it to `#esolangs`. > 1621696568 427088 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: I heard about that. I don't think it's a big deal. we always had excel 3 named functions where you just slap the expressions you want to evaluate into cells of a macro worksheet, with possibly local names they assign to, assign a name marked as a macro function to their first cell, and then if you call that function from a formula, it evaluates the cells in order from top to bottom, unless > 1621696574 568505 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you call GOTO or similar functions. there is one serious limitation of course: whe a macro function (which you can call from expressions in cells) is executed, unlike when a macro procedure (which you can't call that way) is executed, most builtins that cause side-effects, such as change the formula of a cell, have their side effects silently suppressed, so it's hard to cause side effects from a macro > 1621696580 572172 PRIVMSG #esoteric : function other than changing the values (not the formulas) of the cells of that macro function (other formulas can then refer to those values) > 1621696652 725243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the main way that macro worksheets differ from normal worksheets btw is that on normal worksheets, all cells have their value recomputed automatcally every time their formula or a cell they recursively depend on changes (you can turn this off, but that's unusual), while in a macro worksheet, cells are evaluated only when a macro is running and its program counter points to that cell > 1621696691 135784 PRIVMSG #esoteric : didn't use Excel since like 2012 > 1621696693 834557 PRIVMSG #esoteric : TODO for self: document esowiki (the bot) on the wiki, especially its ignore statement > 1621696714 58212 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: I said "forever". this existed since the earliest time I've seen Excel. > 1621696737 364759 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Google Docs Spreadsheets have Google Apps Script that can do all the calculations and integrate with the rest of Docs and Google services > 1621696778 117912 PRIVMSG #esoteric : interesting, didn’t read anywhere about macro worksheets > 1621696795 414912 PRIVMSG #esoteric : not only it allows defining functions, those "macros" can be ran on their own on trigger or schedule, centralised, no edit wars < 1621696795 417919 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73 QUIT :Quit: gone too far > 1621696829 641561 PRIVMSG #esoteric : people literally run the whole businesses in Spreadsheets with GAS since then > 1621696856 290401 PRIVMSG #esoteric : schools, some shops, warehouses > 1621696886 109225 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: it's not a story the Jedi would tell you > 1621696896 382763 PRIVMSG #esoteric : then it got all integrated with Bigdata and other data processing services of Google with bells and whistles < 1621696926 30705 :esowiki!~esowiki@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/esowiki JOIN :#esoteric < 1621696966 566580 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621697042 804715 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621697372 494778 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Loading configurations without killing the process would be far too bourgeoisie thing to allow.) > 1621698060 532340 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it bridged? < 1621698071 959139 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is. funny. < 1621698100 652364 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :semibridge > 1621698105 649686 PRIVMSG #esoteric : where is this bridged > 1621698117 597008 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: to freenode/#esoteric > 1621698124 354509 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah > 1621698144 955819 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `ping > 1621698147 8369 PRIVMSG #esoteric : pong > 1621698204 808868 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION weeps for #esoteric > 1621698436 348637 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` (quote '#esoteric'; grWp '#esoteric') | wc -l # int-e: at least we'll still have all these references for who knows how long > 1621698437 636396 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 56 > 1621698627 133413 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how about cloaks > 1621698630 16923 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `env > 1621698630 841618 PRIVMSG #esoteric : PATH=/hackenv/bin:/usr/bin:/bin \ TERM=linux \ HOME=/tmp \ HACKENV=/hackenv \ IRC_NICK=b_jonas \ IRC_IDENT=~x \ IRC_HOST=catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu \ IRC_COMMAND=PRIVMSG \ IRC_TARGET=#esolangs \ IRC_MESSAGE=`env \ http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128 \ LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 > 1621698637 752899 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, we're on #esolangs now < 1621698642 223106 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621698671 709755 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is esoteric deprecated? > 1621698679 925174 PRIVMSG #esoteric : of course, as fizzie said, the move won't officially be official until we edit https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal > 1621698740 802093 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and we might want to wait until the admins get an official webchat working, rather than using kiwi > 1621698785 827680 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION stops munching on kiwi and hides the skins > 1621698788 215370 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the name "libera" still sounds stupid to me because it sounds like the diaper brand "Libero" > 1621698790 176184 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm? kiwi? what kiwi > 1621698823 192865 PRIVMSG #esoteric : For the community registration, what I have is a "verbal" ack (plus settings for this channel), I've not gotten a reply yet to the formal email. So we might wait for that as well. > 1621698839 985803 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/irc.libera.chat > 1621698852 771491 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION knows what kiwiirc is > 1621698861 324067 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can't use kiwi, I'm slightly allergic. :/ > 1621698863 56025 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION was making a bad joke > 1621698877 479386 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION is here noow also > 1621698920 375205 PRIVMSG #esoteric : kiwi is for guests > 1621698928 626699 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you don't have to use it > 1621698931 947482 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Should've taught that bridge about CTCP ACTION while I was mucking with it. > 1621698978 411788 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07FlipJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83188&oldid=83003 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+13) 10/* Bit-specific */ Bit-specific changed to Words-value (aligned syntax update). > 1621699017 917840 PRIVMSG #esoteric : guys, does /whois show my "Actual hostname" for you? > 1621699038 435920 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not to me. > 1621699070 146781 PRIVMSG #esoteric : okay, since I see that field and could not be sure > 1621699106 3124 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: yes, the irc server tells you your real hostname even while you're cloaked, because you're inside the cloak > 1621699121 208937 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this sounds awful > 1621699152 630614 PRIVMSG #esoteric : because клоака is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloaca > 1621699285 238368 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a physical constraint. if you wanted to see your cloak, you would have to move your eyes outside the cloak, and then people could see your eyes. > 1621699368 963567 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you still want that, make another connection to the server > 1621699391 795322 PRIVMSG #esoteric : uh can't you just > 1621699394 116133 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ask nickserv > 1621699400 167546 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd .. > 1621699405 264811 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `/msg nickserv info USERNAME HERE` > 1621699406 36950 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​/msg? No such file or directory > 1621699415 581799 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot > 1621699417 341521 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot: asd > 1621699419 855081 PRIVMSG #esoteric : river: /home/> _ > 1621699453 511457 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: you could ask HackEso > 1621699466 622173 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ``` echo "$IRC_HOST" > 1621699467 528072 PRIVMSG #esoteric : catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu > 1621699473 349943 PRIVMSG #esoteric : true > 1621699474 826235 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, right, fungot. Hmm. > 1621699505 98503 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess I should keep it on the side that has more people planning to use it, which might be this one. > 1621699511 524442 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: or /msg perlbot arg &h > 1621699523 708927 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can ask any sufficiently powerful bot > 1621699529 160293 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Fungot is missing!", a hit educational game for the SNES. > 1621699536 992712 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can you run multiple Fungotia? > 1621699568 803122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Almost. I'd just need to never run ^save on one of them, or configure different state files. > 1621699580 842668 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But I don't know if the world is ready for more than one fungot. > 1621699580 901573 PRIVMSG #esoteric : don't let funge start growing > 1621699592 878535 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't think we are ready for that > 1621699663 904891 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder if there were IRC viruses > 1621699677 700290 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that find bots with backdoors to replicate > 1621699688 919582 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: there were at least malware, not necessarily virus > 1621699703 943241 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: not targeting bots, but very buggy IRC clients > 1621699713 718216 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perhaps also targeting bots, I'm not sure > 1621699733 378690 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Eggdrop was so popular, I'm sure there must've been a vulnerability in there somewhere. > 1621699734 444703 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess you could find some of the bot loops viruses > 1621699755 552035 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i still wonder how fast a bot that's programmed to join any channel mentioned near it would spread across a network < 1621699761 976656 :fungot!~fungot@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/fungot QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me > 1621699812 850058 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perhaps there is a limit of channels you can join > 1621699821 999403 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there is, i forget what it is > 1621699823 921720 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `CHANLIMIT=#:250` > 1621699824 752955 PRIVMSG #esoteric : CHANLIMIT=#:250`? No such file or directory > 1621699830 461152 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but it's pretty high and you could simply open a new connection > 1621699850 737460 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not sure if it's that specific limit, I just had the connection-open numerics from fungot's debug screen. > 1621699850 980707 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: how come there's a 3rd arguement now? http://mumble.net/campbell/ tmp/ restrict.html for what i need > 1621699886 219701 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: you could just use alis to find channels > 1621699893 803355 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's not all channels, because channels can be hidden from that, but still > 1621699897 228941 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, but i meant what i asked > 1621699898 647329 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :P > 1621699916 602421 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well let's see > 1621699917 240664 PRIVMSG #esoteric : while I was tracking twitch I had an idea to note the raids after the stream (that's a thing when streamer leaves and moves all his viewers to some another stream, keeping the audience within the website and making a social connetion with a selected target in that way) > 1621699949 404349 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so it would be possible to slowly build a graph of people who tend to raid each other > 1621700028 774931 PRIVMSG #esoteric : . o O ( Streamers who raided X also raided Y and Z. ) > 1621700049 917082 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is alis here too? > 1621700068 885379 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes there's an alis > 1621700103 990308 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I made a "who's having an affair with who" chart for a... well, let's call it a forum, once, based on people mentioning the names of other members. > 1621700106 513099 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Less obviously, Sigyn is ozone, eir is litharge. > 1621700129 802352 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Someone's name was a pretty common word, they got an edge with everyone in the graph. > 1621700138 985544 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lmao > 1621700139 563240 PRIVMSG #esoteric : GraphViz was having problems rendering it, but that's not a surprise. > 1621700170 146882 PRIVMSG #esoteric : let's speed up its bootstrapping. dear bot who joins every channel mentioned, please JOIN > 1621700173 157167 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ##chat,##electronics,##hardware,##math,##politics,##programming,#ansible,#bash,#bitcoin,#c,#C++,#centos,#datahoarder,#debian,#elixir,#emacs,#fedora,#freebsd,#gentoo,#gentoo-chat,#git,#go-nuts,#guix,#hamradio,#haskell,#idleRPG,#ircv3,#irssi,#javascript,#libera,#libera-dev,#libera-offtopic,#libera-overflow,#lineageos,#linux,#lisp,#lobsters,#matrix,#musl,#networking,#nixos,#openbsd,#osdev,#perl,#postgresql, > 1621700179 159374 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #python,#raspberrypi,#reddit-sysadmin,#reprap,#rockylinux,#security,#sway,#thelongue,#ubuntu,#vim,#voidlinux,#weechat,#wikimedia-operations,#wikipedia-en,#windows,#zig,#znc > 1621700210 964945 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'd write such a bot but i feel i'd make the admins annoyed with me > 1621700411 692173 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it’s a bit interesting that all ideal triangles are congruent < 1621700424 757457 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621700521 967202 PRIVMSG #esoteric : noncongruence starts with quadrilaterals in dimension 2, though I suspect non-planar quadrilaterals are again all congruent?.. > 1621700546 828134 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: you'd have to make it leave channels that are almost empty or else your join quota will fill up quickly > 1621700838 217051 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `python3 -cprint("#,"+",".join(["#%c" % k for k in range(33,126) if k != 44])) > 1621700839 82334 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​#,#!,#",##,#$,#%,#&,#',#(,#),#*,#+,#-,#.,#/,#0,#1,#2,#3,#4,#5,#6,#7,#8,#9,#:,#;,#<,#=,#>,#?,#@,#A,#B,#C,#D,#E,#F,#G,#H,#I,#J,#K,#L,#M,#N,#O,#P,#Q,#R,#S,#T,#U,#V,#W,#X,#Y,#Z,#[,#\,#],#^,#_,#`,#a,#b,#c,#d,#e,#f,#g,#h,#i,#j,#k,#l,#m,#n,#o,#p,#q,#r,#s,#t,#u,#v,#w,#x,#y,#z,#{,#|,#} > 1621700915 693196 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i own #1, it is the best channel > 1621700922 861317 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: I had a friend who wrote a program that just... repeatedly instantiated a new bot that'd connect and joing a particular channel. > 1621700934 592872 PRIVMSG #esoteric : They got to about 20 before a staff member joined and told them to stop > 1621700937 828657 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol > 1621700938 936970 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (this was pre-2017 freenode) > 1621700953 272671 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well yea if you're making that many connections someone's gonna notice aha > 1621700966 538340 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: you need #one as well, and #uno etc. > 1621701031 751668 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That would be channel hoarding > 1621701034 75934 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so nah > 1621701057 766407 PRIVMSG #esoteric : just trying to help *d&r* > 1621701116 352078 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: freenode has some limit on how many clients can connect from one address, and they even have some [A-Z]line feature that gives excemption from that for heavily NATted addresses like convention centers or universities > 1621701151 673011 PRIVMSG #esoteric : at least one Ircnet server has a rule of at most three connections per host > 1621701160 284778 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though of course this gets more complicated with ipv6 > 1621701268 157378 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the usual workaround for spammers is to buy a botnet made of a large number of random people's home computers acquired via vulnerabilities > 1621701481 585101 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yea, i-lines > 1621701497 755458 PRIVMSG #esoteric : @hellomouse.net had one on freenode as we have a bouncer. We need to get that back > 1621701607 807525 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: bridged to wherems't? > 1621701613 478397 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oho < 1621701619 275603 :V!~v@anomalous.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :to here. < 1621701924 227731 :V!~v@anomalous.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :brctl: ignored > 1621701924 227803 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brctl: Ignore list: freenode/shachaf libera/shachaf < 1621701928 171913 :V!~v@anomalous.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1621701969 708276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing the libera side has just lost the connection or something. < 1621702015 851924 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it still bridge? > 1621702276 597609 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what do you think? > 1621702510 363903 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ooh, esolangs1. let's see if it will loop with the other esolangs < 1621702519 683994 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey esolangs1, loop > 1621702523 510176 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nope > 1621702739 962149 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so fungot, you're here now? what brand of DVD demagnetizer would you recommend? > 1621702740 305940 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: thank you, and perhaps helped by the house, calls for a dual legal basis before the court of justice against this untimely change. no-one, neither the european parliament. you were asked to work to establish the partnership was still pending. > 1621702823 109212 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, I guessed you wouldn't give a straight answer. in that case, fungot, what features should I pay attention to when I buy a DVD demagnetizer? > 1621702823 600518 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: mr president, commissioner, ladies and gentlemen, i will be coming onto the market products that could compete with those now circulating on the internal market. in some respects even improves on the commission to establish a policy that undermines the quality of legislation and the consequence therefore is, if we go back to two points here. first of all, only one additional country has come on board. > 1621702935 740712 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I see, fungot. you emphasize the difference between ones produced locally and east asian knockoffs > 1621702935 915099 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: mr president, i will be speaking about these further in our committees, in full or in part. > 1621702941 396742 PRIVMSG #esoteric : very good > 1621702951 95848 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this network had lead to some fun things > 1621702954 694902 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://thelounge.hellomouse.net/uploads/cd24a5123916a651/image.png > 1621703050 226543 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That's how it should've responded. > 1621703070 690772 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (If you don't *want* it to ignore you, feel free to undo it with unignore.) > 1621703108 3222 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, a lot of clients ping-timeouted at the same time. > 1621703136 67648 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also poor old little fungot got a ` growing on it. > 1621703136 246839 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: mr president, a lot fewer trees, some 140 million. that trend is the same as any other beef in europe. > 1621703150 385980 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That's a lot of trees. > 1621703175 8467 PRIVMSG #esoteric : dear fungot what do you thing of ideal tesselations and all that? > 1621703175 516956 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: mr president-in-office, if the house adopts these amendments, we will always be relative to our dependence and reliance on nato which still owns the essential military hardware and which enabled us to develop the criteria relating to its independence and its considerable competence in issues that are sensitive for the european political institutions during the past months. these men were put behind bars, although the > 1621703207 755210 PRIVMSG #esoteric : A consummate politician, never a clear answer. > 1621703224 523198 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Except that one time. > 1621703227 537174 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can’t even parse it completely > 1621703275 791966 PRIVMSG #esoteric : these men were put behind bars => I see cell borders here. I think fungot is perfectly aware what was asked of them > 1621703276 198531 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: mr president, i would also like to thank you, first of all about the allocation. regarding parliament's team itself, we still believe that coordination, cooperation and shared responsibility, whereby all those involved for the last two years, so we cannot blame the commission) is also necessary to be able to get down to finalising at the earliest. > 1621703307 171947 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `ls > 1621703308 88776 PRIVMSG #esoteric : a.out \ asmbf-1.2.7 \ banana.txt \ bfi \ bin \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ egel-master \ egel-scripts \ egel.zip \ eGtbSgN68aHU \ just \ karma \ le \ olist.new \ output.b \ paste \ pd \ pd.c \ program \ spline \ spout \ test \ test.sh \ this.py \ tmp \ wisdomls.txt > 1621703326 659384 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well, I’m certainly not the one who allocated the space for fun​got > 1621703410 287648 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot: and at last, do you know any religious hymnes and do you recite them in evening? > 1621703410 697948 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: mr president, the wto negotiations and with a view to its full extent if it wishes to integrate? also, may i begin by reminding you that i cannot give you the following: could we not express our disappointment? the scope of the programme. > 1621703436 694826 PRIVMSG #esoteric : okay so they don’t recite > 1621703596 23575 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also that ideal polygon tesselation proves we can easily represent any free group on finite generators via hyperbolic motions: for n generators, just take a tesselation into regular ideal (2n)-gons > 1621703634 750117 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no having to include one free group in a two-generator one > 1621703665 614958 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how easy! < 1621703685 376935 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric > 1621703687 222941 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: b_jonas: you might have been interested ↑ > 1621703776 118133 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, b_jonas might have already said something like that last time, but then I didn’t understand completely > 1621703779 58645 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: What's fungot licensed as, when it comes to using/modifying it? > 1621703779 664091 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, i only got to see the financial resources for this programme is important because we need them to understand each other well. as regards the international conferences we have been obliged, with the agreement of any substance. i can assure the honourable member will surely agree, this is a form of development. i would like to single out the last initiative of the british authorities were m > 1621703801 960742 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: yes, tha'ts what I tried to say at https://esolangs.org/logs/2021-05.html#ldI > 1621703821 683718 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\a> fizzie, What is the license of fungot? > 1621703821 965565 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \a: mr president, since the long march, and it is now the essential question, a philosophical choice. europe will continue to press the council of ministers will adopt them. > 1621703829 752548 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i already asked aha > 1621703865 357993 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot has great answers to our questions. What is the meaning of life, fungot? > 1621703865 769080 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: madam president, i should say that my group believes that the lack of safe access for relief agencies to people in a country with disastrous social conditions in which those who have been able to reach agreement on the reform of the commission in agenda 2000 will further increase the speed of technological advance, narrow consumer choice, increase the capacity of economies to adapt to the new member states can always introd > 1621703873 371485 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: I glad to see that now; thanks nonetheless > 1621703876 196700 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: the illustrations are under https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Infinite-order_tilings > 1621703887 438905 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: \a: Heh. Yeah, looks like I never actually chose. Let's say MIT for the code, and I'll look at updating the repository to reflect that. > 1621703902 559427 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sounds good > 1621703916 849951 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The language models aren't publicly available anywhere, though. > 1621703932 584928 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot's code size is so small that the license text might take up a significant part of the shirt > 1621703932 821027 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: madam president, commissioner, you will note is specifically referred to in the question of comitology. this is partly explained by hizbollah’s outrageous tactic of using human stem cells to achieve the objectives in the field of homeopathic medicine. > 1621703990 693801 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's actually just the babble generation subsection (lines 129-173 of fungot.b98) that's on the shirt. > 1621703991 457079 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: thank you for the opportunity to read the information. against this background, the commission, in order to solve them effectively. how, moreover, i feel that the message and practice stemming from laeken are contradictory. they are now lying there during the winter, when orders decline, this credit on their working procedures or, as in portugal and poland for instance, paragraph 4, the commission is full of enthusiasm > 1621704019 130276 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<\a> The MIT license is quite small > 1621704089 780525 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: thanks. I came to the idea by drawing a sketch of {4, ∞}, precisely! > 1621704149 429436 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: wait where do one finds such a shirt? > 1621704185 209133 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: I just got one printed at one of those "you upload a .jpg, we email you a shirt" places, I had a free code for one. > 1621704192 596591 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can’t express how I love the conformal disk model > 1621704194 529345 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think I've got the specific .jpg online somewhere, let's see. > 1621704218 139631 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder how it looks on a real shirt though :) > 1621704234 912664 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actually, what I had online is a photo of the real shirt, so you're in luck. > 1621704237 507421 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or do they show shirt mock-ups? > 1621704238 537046 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://zem.fi/tmp/fungotshirt.jpg > 1621704238 754043 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: firstly, i should like to illustrate this link by referring to oil, as ' integral elements of european policy, is a situation that we have a unanimous report from the relevant committee. > 1621704259 218804 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: neat! > 1621704266 186313 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's an immediate conversation starter for sure. < 1621704284 747279 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621704337 64950 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, I guess in theory if you're wearing it and don't know what to say to something, you could run it in your head to generate a reply. > 1621704338 576688 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, there's a nice visible jump table > 1621704343 627310 PRIVMSG #esoteric : personally I have yet to wear any custom-printed tee, just doesn’t seem that urgent > 1621704380 382288 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, I guess in theory if you're wearing it and don't know what to say to something, you could run it in your head to generate a reply. => lool. But you’d need a model loaded somewhere too, though > 1621704389 90567 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and it should be enormous > 1621704397 417277 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, maybe keep one around as a printed book. > 1621704407 476997 PRIVMSG #esoteric : rofl < 1621704492 509230 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621704552 482457 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or wear one of these crocheted hyperbolic planes as a skirt, they're fast to random access because you can draw a complete binary tree on them > 1621704562 633530 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no need to mess with slowly seeking sectors like on a hard drive > 1621704638 278093 PRIVMSG #esoteric : of course the linear seeking of a flat shirt is suitable for befunge code > 1621704646 727193 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: how is a euclidean skirt lesser for this purpose? Eventually you’ll need a microscope but is that that big an issue? > 1621704831 474609 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm there is a chance of hyperbolic fungeoid out there. One could use those inclusions of n-generator free groups and extend programs by reimagining them as using a free group with more generators as a grid > 1621704851 284161 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hyperbolic fungoid would be... interesting > 1621704861 47754 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for one how would you reference memory, grid coordinates don't work anymore > 1621704873 686628 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: there are coordinates usable for hyperbolic plane > 1621704883 37640 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yep! > 1621704890 91354 PRIVMSG #esoteric : How would you write the program > 1621704903 241396 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The Funge-98 Lahey-space is pretty funky on its own, even if it may look like a plane when you don't consider the wrapping. > 1621704962 154202 PRIVMSG #esoteric : some people would use a specialized editor, just like they now do for writing Java programs, other people would just use C-x M-c M-butterfly , because it's still represented as a sequence of bytes > 1621704964 889034 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we can even make arbitrary jumps like unfamous logo turtle would: (1) rotate in place a rational multiple of 2π and (2) go a rational amount in your current direction > 1621704994 232224 PRIVMSG #esoteric : meow > 1621704997 543710 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is this the cool place to be > 1621705002 195733 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we can afford a countable set of jump/rotate instructions just for this insanity > 1621705015 377263 PRIVMSG #esoteric : keegan: no, this is a channel full of weird nerds > 1621705022 255326 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol taneb > 1621705028 838864 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i am not weird > 1621705029 824712 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i am cd > 1621705038 228021 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: just use a finite generator > 1621705059 453244 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Weird nerds and a circular object that stores data > 1621705088 37040 PRIVMSG #esoteric : weird nerds are cool > 1621705091 914021 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: hm in the end we’ll be able to unify all that inside some finite-generator free group, yeah, though only if the program is finite > 1621705092 14656 PRIVMSG #esoteric : furthermore, i am a weird nerd > 1621705101 589952 PRIVMSG #esoteric : keegan: well then, this must be the cool place to be > 1621705108 22610 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ergo de facto > 1621705131 239384 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: no, I mean a finite generator for finitely many rotate/jump instructions > 1621705140 851519 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it possible that zzo will join this irc channel? > 1621705159 722343 PRIVMSG #esoteric : meow > 1621705171 737455 PRIVMSG #esoteric : river: it's certainly concievable > 1621705181 514828 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But who knows what zzo will do > 1621705185 695601 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo will probably make his own irc network based on gopher or something > 1621705208 555351 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, we'll build a bridge to it when that happens. > 1621705234 69832 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I learned the other day that Gopher is named for the mascot of the university where it was invented (University of Minnesota), in addition to being maybe a pun on "go for" > 1621705258 782401 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: yeah that’s what I read; but that’s equivalent for a program being finite, as it’ll be able to use only finitely many instructions. But I think it’ll be good to allow any rational rotations and translations in general > 1621705275 791759 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: no no > 1621705299 238410 PRIVMSG #esoteric : s/for/to > 1621705386 40159 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you'd allow the program to span a potentially unlimited part of a grid on the hyperbolic plane, just as saner fungeoids do on the euclidean plane. euclidean fungoids only need a few jump builtins too. > 1621705478 939697 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh hey, neat, you got the forward. > 1621705581 770786 PRIVMSG #esoteric : imode: fizzie did that. "just couldn't resist", he said. I knew it was the #esoteric thing to do. > 1621705655 169125 PRIVMSG #esoteric : thumbs-up from me. > 1621705724 355119 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it'll probably only stay for a transitional period, then we'll just stabilize on one network, but still > 1621705727 962330 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's fun > 1621705803 417094 PRIVMSG #esoteric : uh those NickServ shenanigans < 1621705995 134763 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00293c718687f63537.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621706327 196233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: they can help too, sure > 1621706339 708079 PRIVMSG #esoteric : isn't his name "fungot" though? > 1621706340 135171 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: unfortunately, recent employment statistics for the whole of europe, is a most serious precedent that i would like, however, that development is undertaken in other areas. in july last year on behalf of the european parliament wants an interinstitutional agreement, the commission has not done for years. > 1621706360 564122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : isn't his name "fungot" though? => both first and last? > 1621706360 862849 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: mr president, first of all, i would like to say how glad i am not in a very striking way something that is absolutely clear; and we must equally ensure that there is annoyance and disappointment over the commission, by the european union > 1621706382 387579 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though hm of course it will be both first and last if it’s just a single one > 1621706412 723869 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > map ($ ["fungot"]) [first, last] > 1621706413 68281 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: mr president, of course, but this should be accompanied by an assessment of whether this sum really makes up for deficiencies in the actual texts of regulations relating to the situation prior to harmonisation. amendment no 3 > 1621706420 67408 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nooo < 1621706475 801321 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1621706511 774 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ($ ["fungot"]) [first, last] > 1621706511 470740 PRIVMSG #esoteric : esolangs1: mr president, i should like to start by expressing my total support for an exceptional report and for the quality of bathing water quality, taking account of the obstacles which deny children access to a mother or father indeed, to make proposals for upward harmonisation of tobacco taxation. the point of view. < 1621706512 441235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: < 1621706512 553798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Couldn't match type ‘a b’ with ‘[]’ < 1621706512 553915 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: [[Char]] -> a (b, d) ([Char], d) > 1621706529 949356 PRIVMSG #esoteric : did you guys know there are online card payment providers that don't accept name ("exactly as it's on written on the card") with accented letter, and I have a card with an accented letter in my name embossed? > 1621706540 576323 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Whoops, not ignoring the bridge when it's got its altnick on. > 1621706639 616759 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: Oh, right. When you're not busy, there's an obvious lambdabot deficiency here. < 1621706660 96108 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let first = head in map ($ ["fung​ot"]) [first, last] < 1621706661 591310 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:34: error: < 1621706661 591426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at character '\8203' < 1621706672 798215 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let first = head in map ($ ["fungot"]) [first, last] > 1621706672 968316 PRIVMSG #esoteric : esolangs1: mr president, on the fnord. the terrorists dragged him over the last two years. < 1621706674 172231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["fungot","fungot"] > 1621706674 316060 PRIVMSG #esoteric : esolangs1: madam president, i have a number of regional meetings with representatives of the presidency. < 1621706682 558425 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Client Quit > 1621706730 827014 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: mmm, obvious? < 1621706743 663769 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ 'jevalbot is still here, isn't it?' < 1621706744 33647 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: |open quote < 1621706744 33797 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | 'jevalbot is still here, isn't it?' < 1621706744 33849 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: | ^ > 1621706751 922138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : did you guys know there are online card payment providers that don't accept name ("exactly as it's on written on the card") with accented letter, and I have a card with an accented letter in my name embossed? => didn’t know they allow non-ASCII latin there > 1621706777 204417 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can't prove it because I obviously won't show a photo of my embossed credit card > 1621706788 185847 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no I believe perfectly > 1621706813 383871 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: Well, obvious in the sense that someone tried to use it but it wasn't here. > 1621706847 713815 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the bank's homepage shows example credit card images, but they look fake, not real photos of credit cards < 1621706853 848352 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1621706853 871667 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe that's not quite the right adjective. Blatant? Something. > 1621706871 756896 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: I don't know what to look for. > 1621706895 609881 PRIVMSG #esoteric : over here, they transliterate to ASCII latin and do that quite liberally. I bet й and ий have more than two transliterations there in the wild. There were standards on that but not a single one and almost always they seem to be ignored > 1621706943 520312 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: I mean, if I wasn't clear -- it's just not on this channel, it's on the deprecated one. > 1621706963 199533 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: ah! > 1621706978 567850 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Also was that > prefix thing special too? I don't know for sure.) > 1621706988 446113 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "it" in "use it" referred to the bot as a whole, not to a particular feature that was missing > 1621707007 171687 PRIVMSG #esoteric : imagine you can end up with ы and й transliterated the same (as y). Though it is the ambiguity that’s worse, as sometimes the card transliteration should for some reason match with transliterations in other places, or something. And you need to somehow control that the bureaucrats match them :D > 1621707049 755708 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11:06 < b_jonas> I can't prove it because I obviously won't show a photo of my embossed credit card > 1621707052 988382 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you could redact the number > 1621707060 568700 PRIVMSG #esoteric : just make sure to actually cover it with a black box or something > 1621707064 913930 PRIVMSG #esoteric : rather than blurring or pixelating < 1621707067 31833 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a001111794972a12868.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric > 1621707080 417729 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't think most people realize how easily you can recover even heavily blurred or pixelated text if you have a strong prior > 1621707111 763568 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and 16 digits with known spacing and font is a very strong prior > 1621707126 368986 PRIVMSG #esoteric : keegan: yep usually it’s a gaussian blur or something alike > 1621707127 319900 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Someone had just failed redacting a PDF with the usual thing (opaque black box drawn on top, original data not removed), I thought nobody was really doing that anymore. > 1621707143 966362 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: a Zen variation of not seeing the forest for the trees... there were no trees > 1621707144 666507 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't remember where, some piece of local government maybe. > 1621707148 491071 PRIVMSG #esoteric : whats your unique ID? > 1621707212 252808 PRIVMSG #esoteric : keegan: I refuse < 1621707218 738540 :kmc!~beehive@unaffiliated/kmcallister PART :#esoteric < 1621707221 79484 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621707237 908416 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I do redact some photos, like ones with people's faces, but I won't do that in this case > 1621707273 864357 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I know I should consider myself lucky for having an ASCII-only name, but I miss out on all these stories. > 1621707286 511504 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: . o O ( When I said "send it electronically" I meant it to be printed and faxed, not sent by email! ) > 1621707338 481020 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i have an ascii name too > 1621707339 60583 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: Where might one find fungot-compatible models? :P > 1621707339 357452 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, in his opinion, regretted that fewer and fewer borders in international crime. according to the rule of law; the european initiative for democracy and human rights. < 1621707351 891484 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621707385 127961 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we are having a baby in about 15 weeks and are still deciding about names but we have decided firmly on using the printable ASCII subset (no NULs or BELs) > 1621707388 843869 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my surname has a non-initial capital, which a lot of systems drop, but it hasn't caused me problems > 1621707394 159096 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: You might consider training some of your own. There's step-by-step instructions at https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/varikn/readme.txt for the "modern" training method. > 1621707394 752607 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: mr president, i would like to convey my objections at least, to that year and thus during the previous magps, which compensated for any reduction in working hours will help to create or improve counselling and legal advice centres which will be to report on their activities, for it is undoubtedly the case that if there is a wider rural world than farming and tourism development. this means that we have all made every ef > 1621707430 333677 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ooh, I might look at that. thanks, fizzie > 1621707430 719672 PRIVMSG #esoteric : keegan: (no NULs or BELs) => consoling > 1621707442 261784 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: aren't ASCII-only names the majority in Finland? > 1621707467 423662 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've never uploaded the pre-baked ones anywhere. I guess a lot of them are based on public materials, but maybe there's an ethics question in there somewhere too, cloning an AI vs. growing a new one in a similar environment, I don't know. > 1621707467 665725 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't think it's something you need to consider lucky > 1621707489 407526 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: It might be a majority, but it's not a huge majority, ä and ö are pretty common in names. > 1621707495 624590 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wifey and I have different surnames so that complicates things too > 1621707502 586822 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, it might be a 90% majority or something, but not like orders-of-magnitude majority. > 1621707547 21798 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I imagine it could get funnier if you have a name with rare letters, and a bank official can't type it > 1621707577 166557 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's a lot of mojibake in snailmail from abroad, at least. > 1621707585 152470 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Based on friends' experiences.) > 1621707599 591598 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'll have to find some good materials to bae it on > 1621707601 688811 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *base > 1621707635 710473 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: yeah, it's funny when shops in china can't correctly print non-ascii letters on the address stickers of mail > 1621707656 967414 PRIVMSG #esoteric : A friend of mine who moved to Australia has also been having trouble with his last name (two ä's), because different pieces of officialdom insist on spelling it differently, and then complain about mismatches. > 1621707662 854330 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I imagine it could get funnier if you have a name with rare letters, and a bank official can't type it => Ʌşŧȣλð Mŋödøczeς > 1621707662 909093 PRIVMSG #esoteric : still amazed by https://celebraterickysargulesh.tumblr.com/post/31917763793/wizardishungry-an-image-of-a-post-envelope-with > 1621707687 926475 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there are some short street names that are almost impossible to guess from the mangled addresses > 1621707757 116136 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: what is that? < 1621707900 897681 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: 뒞 > 1621708360 514037 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they're supposed to be real names in universe, but I think he deliberately avoids real names out of universe to avoid offending someone real > 1621708383 257440 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (still about the Polish one: we should probably ask kspalaiologos about what tsch-letter is correct, I don’t know at all how do they differ. Maybe one of them was for a hard ch and the other for the soft one) > 1621708387 994262 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm guessing Myyntti Raatalla is mock-Finnish, and that's just so bad when it comes to phoneme durations. "Myntti Raattala" you could have. In fact, I think Raattala is a real surname. > 1621708443 969479 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: I think I might have heard about that polka from a friend, he translated it to some language IIRC > 1621708471 380294 PRIVMSG #esoteric : part of the in-universe story is about a person who wants to change their surname > 1621708547 893154 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we have that list analyzed in a few points of #esoteric logs. I think it even got changed to better represent the languages of regulars. > 1621708564 421394 PRIVMSG #esoteric : which is why it doesn't have any spanish or portugese names by the way > 1621708571 83013 PRIVMSG #esoteric : because we don't consider the Canaima guys regulars > 1621708647 672231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07202014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83189&oldid=82647 5* 03EnilKoder 5* (+14) 10added John Conway to the list of deaths in the comment of unimplemented ideas > 1621708763 821539 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though I guess we should add a russian name to it now > 1621708817 706324 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Huh, I always thought those names were a reflection of which languages are available in the thing. > 1621708830 935035 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ``` words --help > 1621708831 947358 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Usage: words [-dhNo] [DATASETS...] [NUMBER_OF_WORDS] \ \ options: \ -l, --list list valid datasets \ -d, --debug debugging output \ -N, --dont-normalize don't normalize frequencies when combining \ multiple Markov models; this has the effect \ of making larger datasets more influential \ -o, --target-offset change the target length offset used in the \ > 1621708834 970211 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `words -l > 1621708835 858857 PRIVMSG #esoteric : valid datasets: --brazilian --bulgarian --canadian-english-insane --catalan --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --esolangs --finnish --french --gaelic --german --german-medical --hebrew --irish --italian --manx --norwegian --ogerman --opcode --pokemon --polish --portuguese --russian --spanish --swedish \ default: --eng-1M > 1621708836 428617 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ``` words -l > 1621708837 479586 PRIVMSG #esoteric : valid datasets: --brazilian --bulgarian --canadian-english-insane --catalan --eng-1M --eng-all --eng-fiction --eng-gb --eng-us --esolangs --finnish --french --gaelic --german --german-medical --hebrew --irish --italian --manx --norwegian --ogerman --opcode --pokemon --polish --portuguese --russian --spanish --swedish \ default: --eng-1M > 1621708838 130738 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though I couldn’t give an advice on that, as they are too diverse because of cultural mixing > 1621708849 70816 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas ↑ > 1621708895 525222 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: sure, most of the Hungarian names are mixed in too, and the easiest way to make an authentic sounding Hungarian name is to hungarianize the spelling and phonology of a fake foreign name > 1621708902 662928 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like, not that diverse of course, but I think I would be a bad advisor nonetheless > 1621708913 766561 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: haha > 1621708924 578298 PRIVMSG #esoteric : are there good fake pokemon name generator models? > 1621708941 842387 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `pokemon > 1621708942 633002 PRIVMSG #esoteric : pokemon? No such file or directory > 1621708946 734597 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `pokemons > 1621708947 513197 PRIVMSG #esoteric : pokemons? No such file or directory > 1621708974 162091 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I bet HackEso had something for that, though you’d know better if it’s good > 1621709095 482935 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it has the same problem: there are less than a thousand real pokemon names (right now; it will grow), so it's hard to generate fake ones that look real > 1621709140 765546 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `words --pokemon > 1621709142 93641 PRIVMSG #esoteric : turtor > 1621709161 181534 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I tried to generate fake town names of Hungary, there the sample is like 2500, the best ones I got are "Rúgonya" and one that I forgot but that turned out to be the Hungarian name of some town outside of Hungary > 1621709165 132700 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: ah yes, I'm stupid > 1621709180 900988 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `words --pokemon -o 2 20 > 1621709181 929914 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nectriken victinaracturtwig skitunky druddiursa cascoloss darumbrelibird lier bunny thundoublast tsareecko banetapod torb snorlax gigalitle leafeon klinklantini wigglyphlos wurmplumismagius macharjabug fomalakie > 1621709194 861932 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the command was right here; I have no eyes and I must seem^W see > 1621709196 428216 PRIVMSG #esoteric : snorlax is real > 1621709212 503535 PRIVMSG #esoteric : banetapod sounds nice > 1621709221 14090 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wurmplumismagius :D > 1621709221 931035 PRIVMSG #esoteric : thundoublast also sounds nice > 1621709229 201827 PRIVMSG #esoteric : gigalitle too > 1621709232 707429 PRIVMSG #esoteric : leafeon... isn't that real? > 1621709242 9897 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, leafeon is real > 1621709294 365979 PRIVMSG #esoteric : klinklantini seems to have an affinity to alcohol > 1621709308 636942 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and glassware > 1621709338 172413 PRIVMSG #esoteric : are there inanimate-ish pokemon? > 1621709356 474249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, geosomething < 1621709971 401898 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --russian -o 2 20 < 1621709972 995869 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :​помозноджан забытказывалешени недвыхъ каральвили делагоспит вижиша выноукрентагза сарканькенностивобесу силастера пятиилосильскологи encessemble наструиравноплюсь кализируютъ повидовлеей кобразведенцию эндзанный мишагосязато срабамбовал > 1621709978 975301 PRIVMSG #esoteric : seems legit > 1621709999 351199 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `words --russian -o -2 20 > 1621710000 906045 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​констваркова дедотают бушиться бегуньски ушисьмедстанов амвтрением диием сокон итропасность софено прибергу правьдана него едают полютретья испрусахь службылинъ кортзанных мускаакопрохо некдуфайтестиленно < 1621710034 963549 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like fake Bulgarian > 1621710064 302909 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `words --bulgarian 20 > 1621710066 193474 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​дървостех сноших кьосветник разубедения гътнализврем борницата дюдюкаработите подоветнадрънча присарските засияване бъбряваш отцеждити ненажима уверно докаялия непокващ добифовавяващ известе одейки замърсващи > 1621710211 657745 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "бъбряваш" starts with "бъб", as if it deliberately tried to look not russian when you specify --bulgarian > 1621710244 280072 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also "дървостех" > 1621710294 411645 PRIVMSG #esoteric : кализируютъ -- that Ъ in the end is some from 19th century rules > 1621710295 979332 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: both have some of the brain in https://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2663#comic => haha that’s perfect > 1621710302 874031 PRIVMSG #esoteric : of course that's exactly the kind of thing that these models can do well > 1621710380 237415 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey, did you notice it has "encessemble" among russian words? > 1621710414 737730 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yep, some garbage in the used dictionary > 1621710427 668920 PRIVMSG #esoteric : let's try shorter ones > 1621710434 588789 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `words --russian -o -4 20 > 1621710435 967354 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​олярхад пам коэфф консоверно сильчагосуджей горой бразпагоники забадскаго манскомъ оного еваталис росшуюся вых водизмораснов порщитном девязнь ивкал инируемыхъ оттопа разденьков > 1621710441 909841 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the short ones look more believable > 1621710453 558831 PRIVMSG #esoteric : горой is a valid word > 1621710461 642610 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bulgarian is funny to read even when it’s genuine. Hopefully Bulgarians wouldn’t take offense > 1621710464 446117 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also оного > 1621710469 849446 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so is "сокон" from above > 1621710474 178240 PRIVMSG #esoteric : коэфф ъ > 1621710477 34423 PRIVMSG #esoteric : => lol > 1621710498 319580 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "вых" doesn't look real > 1621710504 170414 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that’s a common abbreviation for коэффициент coefficient > 1621710518 638923 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh! > 1621710519 455147 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nice > 1621710550 180142 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and "ивкал" looks suspicious with its trailing "л" > 1621710587 621714 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's normal for past tense verbs > 1621710597 534747 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah good > 1621710659 322876 PRIVMSG #esoteric : again that trailing Ъ > 1621710680 389658 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in "инируемыхъ"? it looks especially silly after an "х" > 1621710713 224723 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or do you mean in "манскомъ"? > 1621710804 946710 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_sign#Final_yer_pre-1918 > 1621710808 108600 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "бразпагоники" looks like a good fake word > 1621711273 776346 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `word --pokemon -o -4 20 > 1621711274 826410 PRIVMSG #esoteric : re > 1621711279 376857 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ``` words --pokemon -o -4 20 > 1621711280 402069 PRIVMSG #esoteric : rhypno luxe buizel mine crabra gastly sheliolitwig flygon foon mise smoem swamphan cate per quil celgon gole vestang maka arcant > 1621711300 190978 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ``` words --pokemon 20 > 1621711301 217921 PRIVMSG #esoteric : carra rhyhorsea venusaur chirita tepin tyran oritarmada exploom grubi digon mushao bulbat dusken lopunne feebast aegiroc lumin skartic popotad staravile > 1621711310 774863 PRIVMSG #esoteric : exploom is nice > 1621711314 855875 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bulbat too > 1621712086 556069 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I like these symbols https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glagolitic_script > 1621712263 664287 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ⰰ Ⰱ Ⰲ Ⰳ Ⰴ Ⰵ Ⰶ Ⰷ Ⰸ Ⰹ Ⰺ Ⰻ Ⰼ Ⰽ Ⰾ Ⰿ > 1621712547 816607 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i like them too < 1621712817 547765 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621713022 894673 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621713052 129799 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621713052 258604 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1621713064 758406 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621713211 740536 PRIVMSG #esoteric : someone said they are cute because of circles in most of them. I’d say they remind Greek-Latin-Cyrillic “continuum” but on the other hand are pretty alien, hence the effect. Tifinagh gives me a similar feeling > 1621713311 378427 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Arrival > 1621713331 364113 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but for instance Armenian script looks too alien to me, and less unique. I surely wouldn’t want to be an Armenian dyslectic > 1621713343 867763 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, hadn’t watched that one yet > 1621713434 757858 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: I'm too used to all major scripts, the internet makes the world small, they don't look alien to me anymore < 1621713551 265348 :shikhin!~shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin PART :#esoteric > 1621713652 47747 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RCEM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83190&oldid=83155 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+710) 10Added an introductory section and a reference section, and amended a mistake in the documentation of the Common Lisp implementation. > 1621713712 803505 PRIVMSG #esoteric : latin, russian, serbian cyrillic, greek, latin vietnamese, georgian, armenian, hebrew, arabic, persian, chinese kanji, japenese kanji plus kana, hangul, the more common brahmic scripts (devanagari, thai, bengali), latin braille are the ones I see the most often. you can still surprise me with the infinte variety of rarer ones, but not armenian. < 1621713736 494223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric > 1621713784 304235 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and yes, it's the internet of geeks, so I also see akkadian cuneiform and futhark > 1621713796 830364 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hum, trying to comprehend how hackeso's umlbox works, can't seem to figure out how to get output out of it aha > 1621713807 143074 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (and old hungarian runes, always used in a very non-authentic way) > 1621713816 828405 PRIVMSG #esoteric : everything else worked after some quick fixes to init.c > 1621713902 50254 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: I used serial terminal in termbot, but I don't know how HackEso works > 1621714003 740852 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://pybin.pw/LoXF seems it tries to use some tty device, but i'm not sure where ../tty1 is in that particular context > 1621714048 185454 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: in a sense, many to me too, though I don’t read most of them at any rate. Mostly from translations on food packaging and instruction manuals. But Armenian, to continue the example, is alien in its, well, guiding principles or something. It’s strange how do they read fluently letters that are almost exclusively vertical bars. Someone said most cyrillic letters aren’t as legible as latin because there are less ascenders and > 1621714048 320648 PRIVMSG #esoteric : descenders, and often just vertical and horizontal strokes (in lowercase), and the first one seems worse. Though hand-written Armenian looked way more legible IIRC > 1621714116 773999 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RCEM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83191&oldid=83190 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-52) 10/* References */ Use wikipedia link > 1621714177 702687 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: well sure, but in the same sense you could say Chinese kanji is the most readable > 1621714214 417647 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well they are if you memorized them, I guess? > 1621714245 327342 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they are pretty distinct in mass, and also they have some underlying logic, though not a too sane one due to historic process > 1621714253 813254 PRIVMSG #esoteric : as for "exclusively vertical bars", that's how latin script was written in old codexes, so it depends on the font too > 1621714320 111409 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wouldn’t say A C D G K M N O P Q R S U/V X Y Z would still be exclusively vertical bars > 1621714334 252706 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean look at the Gutenberg Bible, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Gutenberg_Bible_B42_Genesis.JPG , which set the traditions for how high quality typeset books are supposed to look like, heavily based on handwritten books > 1621714339 14801 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or do you mean something like fractur? > 1621714357 755238 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: you have to take lowercase letters, uppercase is rare comapratively > 1621714358 94757 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that’s evidently not too legible yeah > 1621714398 184512 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's like you draw a sequence of identical vertical lines with serifs on the top and bottom, and modify them with tiny additions or subtractions to turn them to different letters > 1621714401 694287 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah, so I definitely wasn’t right to think about as far as some roman inscriptions in all capitals > 1621714440 590103 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the roman inscriptions that you see in lapidariums? those are readable to us because the capitals in the Times style fonts that we are used to are based directly on them so they're very similar, > 1621714447 374203 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Gutenberg_Bible_B42_Genesis.JPG => yep yep that’s the worst > 1621714452 567642 PRIVMSG #esoteric : except that they use very different abbreviations and fewer spaces > 1621714457 526042 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how did they read poor people > 1621714492 102323 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and those abbreviations too, yeah, I read about their diversity and changes in time several months ago > 1621714509 943605 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Someone might want to arrange for the esolangs bot to be autovoiced. If someone were to hit it with a lot of URIs, it responding with a flood of URI details without at least voice status will trigger a flood notice to network staff, and one of our bots is currently configured to be twitchy about that (it will murder it). > 1621714553 96212 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: which abbreviations did you read about? the ones in roman era engraving, or the ones in hand-written mediæval latin codexes > 1621714582 381165 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: mediæval ones :) > 1621714612 728891 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the difference is that the mediæval scribal ones use a lot of unique diacritics; the engraved latin ones are basically pure ascii latin letters with the occasional middle dot separator < 1621714741 494892 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a001111794972a12868.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621714772 666332 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have photos of a bunch of old steles with text in various scripts engraved in them, from museums > 1621714775 752129 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they can look great > 1621714794 120009 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there are even a few with hieroglyphs carefully engraved as concave rather than convex > 1621714799 240457 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sorry, convex rather than concave > 1621714800 752955 PRIVMSG #esoteric : embossed > 1621714807 878603 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can you imagine doing that to marble? > 1621714836 56748 PRIVMSG #esoteric : of course that only happens in egyptian pyramids and similar > 1621714842 819354 PRIVMSG #esoteric : not for more practical scribal documents > 1621714857 924956 PRIVMSG #esoteric : those are all engraved the normal concave way > 1621714991 64469 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the one that looks the most impressive IRL (though not necessarily in photo) is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Stele_of_Ashurnasirpal_II_from_Nimrud > 1621715038 865864 PRIVMSG #esoteric : carved from a single block of stone, quite tall, and looms over you, because you can get very close to it, since it's exhibited without any glass or plastic case surrounding it < 1621715330 22095 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621715492 453811 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^source > 1621715492 560198 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98 > 1621715606 793485 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am super close to getting umlbox working > 1621715611 356510 PRIVMSG #esoteric : just output being a pain > 1621715613 185650 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :< > 1621715622 370200 PRIVMSG #esoteric : stdout y u no work > 1621715624 480693 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can you imagine doing that to marble? => seems a lot of work! < 1621715642 507877 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621715721 970852 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah > 1621715723 769073 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mudem is broke < 1621715827 242487 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-1523-141.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1621715957 510061 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621716004 774338 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621716030 1027 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: sorry for the poke, trying to get umlbox working and the one thing holding me up is stdout. Not sure how to get it to actually give me the result of the ran command atm > 1621716077 531588 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh i see you have a umlbox fork :P > 1621716079 641897 PRIVMSG #esoteric : All I remember about it is, it's very temperamental. Especially when it comes to the output. > 1621716112 906762 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, if you want the specifics of how it's set up for HackEso, it's that version of umlbox, and then the hackbot repo shows how it's being invoked. > 1621716123 602474 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think I mostly just did a rewritten init. > 1621716147 651245 PRIVMSG #esoteric : And I think my setup is mudem-free, because I didn't need any multiplexing. > 1621716253 994368 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://esolangs.org/wiki/HackEso#Implementation_details might also have some useful tidbit in it, who knows. Probably not, though. > 1621716284 655432 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Thanks, atm I'm considering the feasability of rehosting hackeso, again. > 1621716292 359293 PRIVMSG #esoteric : just for fun mostly > 1621716310 48925 PRIVMSG #esoteric : whole setup is quite interesting aha > 1621716388 809755 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and I certainly noticed it's temperamental ^^; < 1621717513 45201 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-1523-141.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” > 1621717760 119309 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi > 1621717831 410427 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hello Lykaina > 1621717845 720665 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you haven't been here for a while < 1621717958 901784 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Lykaina < 1621717967 675796 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably move over to Libera soonish > 1621717978 352862 PRIVMSG #esoteric : just setting up Libera > 1621718056 741625 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: when you do, let me know > 1621718146 245750 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this is bridged < 1621718191 981333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1621718202 645453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1621718206 735120 PRIVMSG #esoteric : river: and publicly logged > 1621718432 462703 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh shit > 1621718436 823925 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how do I delete my previous message < 1621718483 148281 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621718489 882216 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso JOIN :#esoteric > 1621718496 766820 PRIVMSG #esoteric : We should probably figure out a mechanism for that, actually. Though it's complicated by having it publicly logged to a bunch of independent places. > 1621718533 484067 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: I think there are multiple incompatible IRC extensions for that > 1621718559 233436 PRIVMSG #esoteric : at least one more native IRC one, and one that twitch uses to map its own message deletes > 1621718569 54873 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The name of this place almost makes me sad that we won't get people coming in here thinking it's about ghosts > 1621718586 20364 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: We've got #esoteric redirected here, so it's still quite possible. > 1621718589 630973 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: we will, because #esoteric redirects here > 1621718622 520865 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: we might not have Canaima people coming in here, so we should submit a patch to Canaima to forward them here, plus keep some amount of presence on freenode/#esoteric to redirect anyone who arrives there > 1621718674 814285 PRIVMSG #esoteric : agh what a pain > 1621718680 702758 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i got everything working only for no output again > 1621718748 601144 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Canaima? > 1621718804 130906 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? canaima > 1621718806 126820 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Canaima is a secret Venezuelan project to overrun #esoteric with incomprehensible people who have no idea why they're here. > 1621718869 796272 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is there any language or other math system that has no zero? > 1621718903 107347 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ancient phoenecian > 1621718911 557373 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think it's like the old AOL install CDs, but they mistyped the contact phone number, so everyone arrives here > 1621718992 991440 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh by the way, the television media card thingy that I just installed to my grandma's television (basically just follow the instructions on the paper manual to type in a few numbers and insert the card into the slot in the back of the TV) gives an error message that refers the user to an obsolete customer service short phone number that now call a different inappropriate service provider's customer > 1621718999 5696 PRIVMSG #esoteric : service > 1621719012 446519 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the short phone numbers keep changing every few years, probably as a method of obfuscations so fewer people reach customer services > 1621719031 737024 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like changing IRC networks > 1621719088 40581 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: there's Forte where you have to cope with some numbers being unusable, and there was another esolang with a similar property but with the set of unusable numbers fixed > 1621719100 991598 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: yes > 1621719108 759789 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but that doesn't happen every few yeras > 1621719129 398288 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have entries inherited from around 2008 in my irc configuration that still work > 1621719132 403261 PRIVMSG #esoteric : channels > 1621719163 867429 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: do you happen to have any clue as to what causes stdout to just not work? > 1621719180 19750 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there should be a RAM with unusable memory addresses that correspond to prime numbers, preferably very large prime numbers > 1621719185 51157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i have the entire multibot setup functional, it's just umlbox not cooperating now > 1621719206 498504 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: oh yeah, that exists too: > 1621719254 878806 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://www.linusakesson.net/scene/safevsp/index.php > 1621719291 755476 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it mentions a case where you want to program such that every eighths byte in the memory is unusable > 1621719387 71585 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I remember how on 32 Windows every 4th gigabyte of 4 GB RAM was unusable > 1621719388 957989 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: prime numbers are easier, because there are large gaps between them, so if the memory is infinitely large, you can just choose a large enough contiguous subset. sure, it might require you to buy an exponentially larger sized memory chip, who cares, RAM is cheap > 1621719391 537599 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: Not really, just vague recollections that I've had problems with the output, especially when it comes to those con1/con2/con UML command-line arguments and getting them all right. > 1621719425 580400 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas ok, prime number div 100 > 1621719501 44848 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's something very unintuitive about what those parameters mean, especially when it comes to separate input and output designations. > 1621719556 925059 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm pretty sure I had it in a state at least once where the `-v` mode worked fine but had all that kernel output spam, while the non-verbose version just lost the command stdout somewhere. > 1621719609 973217 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not impossible there's even some Linux kernel version differences, I've certainly had to do tweaking when upgrading the kernel. > 1621719613 384467 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or imagine the memory that rotates sometimes, like by 1 byte every second > 1621719673 341125 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and the growing end does not copy data from the dying start but fills with zeros > 1621719695 860029 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think I might have it working on Debian's UML kernel at the moment, rather than a self-built one. Maybe. Can't tell from my notes. > 1621719729 45540 PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw about notes that you can't tell from > 1621719746 877111 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it also common in other countries that it's damn impossible to read what doctors write? > 1621719759 602524 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://www.google.com/search?q=%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BA+%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B0&rlz=1C1SQJL_ruRU840RU840&sxsrf=ALeKk03EOZnntQ-kI9YTsmdda1hgQS0vdA:1621719750655&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-s6btoN7wAhXjl4sKHfJmAGMQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1279&bih=684&dpr=2 > 1621719764 28360 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actually, looks like it's built from Debian's `user-mode-linux` package sources but with patching. > 1621719779 371592 PRIVMSG #esoteric : And I think doctors' handwriting is one of those classic things to joke about, so probably. > 1621719833 521668 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: that would just be like old DRAMs with no built-in refresh logic, so you have to refresh them from the CPU > 1621719845 753079 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just looked at like 10 of these images and could not understand a single word, neither I could do about my own medical book > 1621719854 129759 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, > 1621719879 234051 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: you're fizzie's second-in-command, do you have any opinion to weigh in about the future of #esoteric after all the freenode drama? I'd like to hear > 1621719900 470267 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: yes, that's common > 1621719923 255642 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: pharmacists train hard to be able to read it, and then they tell stories about particular doctors where even they can't read the handwriting > 1621719964 538123 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (also about stupid doctors who write readable but stupid instructions, for which they have to check and filter out to not harm the patient too much, but that's less funny) > 1621719979 539227 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they should have a special font now when it's computerised > 1621720006 274239 PRIVMSG #esoteric : called kshfjdbhfj.ttf > 1621720052 653198 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that said, my handwriting is unreadable too > 1621720068 26713 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and it's very different from my brother's handwriting > 1621720073 844511 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe you have medical talents you didn't develop > 1621720081 920785 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no, it's my brother who's the doctor > 1621720083 694872 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: I'm not sure it's even attempting to run the kernel, judging from the --verbose output > 1621720087 149510 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION sighs > 1621720135 733519 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or rather, i'm getting no output from the kernel > 1621720190 526952 PRIVMSG #esoteric : running the command myself "works" (tmp file since deleted) > 1621720281 909710 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://pybin.pw/He0C atm this is the most it tells me > 1621720355 972836 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol issue closed https://github.com/sjvasquez/handwriting-synthesis/issues/9 > 1621721123 4469 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok wtf, uml is very much being tempermental > 1621721218 780581 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > ioctl /random: bad address > 1621721220 686193 PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: > 1621721220 758316 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Variable not in scope: ioctl :: g -> (a, g)error: > 1621721220 771554 PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Variable not in scope: bad :: t0 -> [g -> (a, g)] > 1621721224 724197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:AlvinBalvin32114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83192&oldid=76349 5* 03AlvinBalvin321 5* (+4720) 10/* ? */ > 1621721489 133358 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output now works by removing random entirely, but writing to env doesn't seem to function > 1621721804 684380 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` cat $(which "\`") > 1621721805 641058 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​#!/bin/bash \ cmd="${@-quote}" \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$cmd" | rnoooooodl > 1621721851 316417 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wthat the heck? > 1621721853 91684 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `quote > 1621721853 919691 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1030) your first mistake was making your second mistake > 1621721863 324283 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` which rnoooooodl > 1621721864 178443 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No output. > 1621721867 158382 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` cat $(which rnoooooodl) > 1621721868 78458 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No output. > 1621721881 543464 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` grep -R / rnoooooodl > 1621721884 536246 PRIVMSG #esoteric : grep: rnoooooodl: No such file or directory > 1621721890 542622 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` grep -R rnoooooodl / > 1621721924 419463 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, that thing. > 1621721926 294420 PRIVMSG #esoteric : grep: /etc/alternatives/my.cnf: No such file or directory > 1621721939 508852 PRIVMSG #esoteric : river: It's actually got a few less 'o's in it. > 1621721952 383888 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `cbt ` > 1621721953 201516 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​#!/bin/bash \ cmd="${@-quote}" \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$cmd" | rnooodl > 1621721973 856613 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But when you're *actually* running through it, it adds more. > 1621721986 643271 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `cbt rnooodl > 1621721987 446744 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perl -pe 's/([Nn])ooodl/"$1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge' > 1621721988 488490 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Of coursee > 1621722247 519171 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I hate rnoodl, and I hate bin/\` for using it > 1621722280 688721 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bin/\`\` too > 1621722299 294692 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I always wanted to just remove it from bin/\` and bin/\`\` but I don't dare > 1621722304 978867 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it can stay in the wisdom commands < 1621722624 122450 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621724025 299041 PRIVMSG #esoteric : when I was coding in RASEL I needed to make some large number and it appeared to be less trivial to do that in Befunge > 1621724051 907563 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in Befunge you just :*:*:*:* to increase it rapidly but it's more complicated when you don't have a multiplication operation < 1621724137 773698 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621724172 858468 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so you can either have a large N and repeat :1\// > 1621724248 451011 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or maybe do some 1 / (1/N - 1/M) but I'm not 100% sure it would be any faster per cycle > 1621724297 124145 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but may make the path towards the number you need more interesting < 1621724399 756737 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621724420 481205 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621724432 770384 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621724477 947923 PRIVMSG #esoteric : annnd hackbot copy is now mostly working(tm) > 1621724490 473918 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `revision > 1621724490 890698 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nice > 1621724491 302767 PRIVMSG #esoteric : revision? No such file or directory < 1621724521 125999 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621724782 500741 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Whoops, need to flip a setting. < 1621724795 215462 :esowiki!~esowiki@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/esowiki JOIN :#esoteric > 1621725369 120824 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps the most esoteric thing of all, a minutely more descriptive channel name > 1621725478 231637 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07PaRappa14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83193&oldid=83149 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+737) 10 > 1621725799 190826 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh "profession" would have fit in the religious theme < 1621726672 649380 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621726946 650623 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621727587 712472 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621727846 674458 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621728417 593758 :ghosthell!~ghosthell@pool-173-48-112-26.bstnma.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1621728461 18093 :ghosthell!~ghosthell@pool-173-48-112-26.bstnma.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Non Terrestrial Or Terrestrial Beings which can help me with Trans Universal Transportation (Please PM Me)9 > 1621728478 205376 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wat > 1621728606 489570 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: it's just the usual "psychic needed, you know where to apply" call. if you don't have alien technology to time travel and build pyramids, don't worry about it. > 1621728641 128322 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RCEM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83194&oldid=83191 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (-460) 10Changed the Common Lisp interpreter, basing it upon a hash table instead of a vector, such that a potentially infinite tally of cells as well as a negative indices become possible. > 1621728643 455496 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i found some funny looking shapes in my back yard, i bet aliens did it > 1621728778 827390 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not bridging joins and parts makes those things come a bit out of the blue, but bridging them would be just awful. < 1621729053 909518 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621729672 186502 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` cat $(which mkx) > 1621729673 390635 PRIVMSG #esoteric : key=$(mk "$@") && echo "$key" && chmod +x "$key" > 1621729697 347407 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` cat $(which mk) > 1621729698 183872 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: "mk[x]" file//contents >&2; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "$key")" && echo "$key" > 1621731024 111864 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Needs some actual integration work, for now I'm just running a parallel instance of the exact same frontend except with a different root path. > 1621731578 498821 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: yeah, you told us that you're using an IRC library called IIRC "multibot" that you find hard to adapt to what you want > 1621731640 164247 PRIVMSG #esoteric : multibot is hackeso's lib. Now that i've looked through it, it's... interesting > 1621731650 355821 PRIVMSG #esoteric : very weird tbh > 1621731919 612043 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, multibot's for HackEso, and it is pretty quirky. For esolangs (logging, wiki recent changes, bridging) I'm using my own custom C++ thing, so any deficiencies in it I can just blame on myself. > 1621731964 637508 PRIVMSG #esoteric : tbh multibot is so simplistic it probably isn't too hard to write a replacement > 1621731988 484129 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's just over 600 lines of C > 1621731990 271599 PRIVMSG #esoteric : not bad > 1621732035 143216 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, it's like the bare minimum of C to handle parsing the IRC protocol, and executing external executables (or scripts) in response to events. > 1621732049 667564 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It doesn't even do the sockets, it relies on socat for that. > 1621732164 603736 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The other bot's basically https://github.com/fis/bracket/ which is my homegrown single-threaded C++ event loop and other utilities of inconsistent quality. > 1621732243 722512 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I sort of have a long-term plan to write my own IRC client thingy. I have some existing IRC code that is terrible but contains useful notes about the IRC protocol and freenode that I'll be able to use. < 1621732786 814428 :ghosthell!~ghosthell@pool-173-48-112-26.bstnma.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621733155 904598 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@unaffiliated/dbohdan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621734089 846688 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621734347 826591 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1621735008 245483 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ada (or a specific compiler actually) has magic variable names: > 1621735009 511502 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Or give the variable a name that contains any of the strings discard dummy ignore junk unused (case insensitive) > 1621735009 632117 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " > 1621735017 270133 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (To suppress unused variable warnings) > 1621736029 610240 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Numberlang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83195 5* 03Batata 5* (+4915) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Numberlang |author=[[User:Batata|Batata]] |year=[[:Category:2021|2021]] |class=[[Turing Complete|Turing Complete]] |files=.numl }} '''Num..." < 1621736107 661886 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621736175 35341 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Numberlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83196&oldid=83195 5* 03Batata 5* (+4) 10/* Reverse Cat */ > 1621736263 107106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83197&oldid=83163 5* 03Batata 5* (-479) 10 > 1621736346 683412 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Reminds me of GCC's magic fall-thru comment, with a configurable sensitivity. > 1621736361 539501 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Warning-Options.html -Wimplicit-fallthrough=n < 1621736366 651051 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621736431 899789 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Level 2 matches /.*falls?[ \t-]*thr(ough|u).*/ case-insensitively, but it's the list of level 3 that's really the amusing one. > 1621736485 483693 PRIVMSG #esoteric : With gems like: [ \t.!]*([Ee]lse,? |[Ii]ntentional(ly)? )? fall(s | |-)?thr(ough|u)[ \t.!]*(-[^\n\r]*)? > 1621736516 714667 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Though I guess comments for silencing warnings or linters are a little more common. > 1621736544 76051 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There was definitely something (else) where you could do an `unused_` prefix on variables though. > 1621736596 802844 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think that's pylint. > 1621736611 624139 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the very first major mod to hackbot i made was allowing it to use /me > 1621736620 286919 PRIVMSG #esoteric : because yes < 1621737027 451080 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a NSA document; it looks like it was printed out from a MediaWiki-based web page and then OCR to convert it to text. > 1621737067 106286 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Presumably not our wiki, though? > 1621737329 116685 PRIVMSG #esoteric : huh > 1621737724 379443 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MarioLANG14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83198&oldid=83182 5* 03HaleyHalcyon 5* (-13) 10 > 1621737909 611957 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Numberlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83199&oldid=83196 5* 03Batata 5* (+18) 10 > 1621737960 86718 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Numberlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83200&oldid=83199 5* 03Batata 5* (+16) 10/* Cat */ > 1621738067 180082 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Numberlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83201&oldid=83200 5* 03Batata 5* (+18) 10/* Truth-Machine */ < 1621738684 780813 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621738967 787230 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1621739920 640762 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric > 1621739942 306938 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 038Epic8 5* 10New user account < 1621739996 967061 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621740003 961880 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1621740383 273926 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83202&oldid=83175 5* 038Epic8 5* (+167) 10 > 1621742255 618306 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: some languages use variables starting with an underscore to suppress unused variable warnings: in perl and rust it really just suppresses the warnings (in perl you rarely need it because the warning only applies to globals, not lexical locals), but I think in some languages (was it Prolog? Haskell? I can't remember) it is more magical and makes them unique even if the name is repeated > 1621742281 79860 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: if it's from our wiki, my guess is the BANCStar one < 1621742346 534419 :j4cbo!sid186930@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-autoisfhmajvchds PART :#esoteric > 1621742436 990160 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: as for the fallthrough, there's now also a new-style attribute [[fallthrough]] for that (both in C and C++) < 1621744242 382443 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1621745199 781348 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621745456 783034 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1621746284 625118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ilaylevy 5* 10moved [[02Yogurt10]] to [[Dead]] > 1621746331 589888 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Dead14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83205&oldid=83203 5* 03Ilaylevy 5* (+7) 10 < 1621746379 797511 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621746632 783698 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1621747259 848700 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621747535 846210 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1621748455 229467 PRIVMSG #esoteric : TIL from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyixMpuGEL8 why the transparency or alpha channel of images is sometimes called the "matte" channel < 1621748962 540625 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621749249 534004 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1621751152 820974 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Stun Step14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83206&oldid=57054 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+108) 10 < 1621752259 327969 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Excess Flood < 1621752398 405604 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp JOIN :#esoteric < 1621752409 590789 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write about ZZT, Free Hero Mesh, tarot cards, and the gemini protocol in the wisdom file, next. > 1621752467 684744 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? tarot > 1621752468 968871 PRIVMSG #esoteric : tarot? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ > 1621752803 723775 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm really thinking about drawing a line in an IRC bot between handlers that are hardcoded in it and those that are deployed as a different app serverless > 1621752913 207651 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the hot reload capability would stop relying on bot implementation/language ability to do it < 1621753064 843635 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621753098 348004 PRIVMSG #esoteric : essentially since Ruby is very dynamic it's trivial and you use the "load" method that reloads the file where you put your "constants", methods and methods stored in constants (constants are identifiers of Modules) but there is still a room for coder's error about the runtime state > 1621753159 671817 PRIVMSG #esoteric : while writing the serverless app you are supposed to think stateless and can apply measures to be sure they are called only once > 1621753194 673887 PRIVMSG #esoteric : another approach would be just to call a subprocess of course > 1621753261 946073 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but that would still need you to update the source code on bot machine that is another risk to kill the bot > 1621755632 218685 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Does anyone know an easy-to-compute metric on permutations of letters such that "carthorse" is close to "horsecart" but far from "orchestra"? < 1621755656 588032 :stux|RC!stux2@grid9.quadspeedi.net QUIT :Quit: Aloha! > 1621755974 384927 PRIVMSG #esoteric : today's gif and these comments remind me how I (always unsuccessfully) try to teach people IRC https://i.imgur.com/ZH7715s.png < 1621756077 474449 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00059e4182066a0e3d.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric > 1621756179 333352 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: you could measure the distances the letters moved. > 1621756211 883342 PRIVMSG #esoteric : find all positions of the letters in the first word in the second word, compute their differences, add the differences up. > 1621756225 232629 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb if it exists it should be somewhere here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_metric > 1621756229 708189 PRIVMSG #esoteric : either that or something like that via hamming distance. > 1621756244 979285 PRIVMSG #esoteric : imode: that would make carthorse far from horsecart, wouldn't it? > 1621756263 561194 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: yeah, valid. you could use some form of common edit distance algorithm. > 1621756318 334608 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there's probably something efficient for the permutations case.. hm. > 1621756361 281569 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe adding and then taking the average? > 1621756364 740856 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION shrugs > 1621756378 634040 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm, what about something with adjacencies? > 1621756450 356917 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07I-ok14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83207 5* 03Kwes 5* (+784) 10Created page with "= i-ok = A small 1 digit esolang, for simple 1 letter usage. {| class="wikitable" |+ |- ! chars !! desc |- | i+ or i++ || adds |- | i- or i-- || subtracts |- | i* || multiple..." > 1621756453 254234 PRIVMSG #esoteric : actually if you let the differences be negative, it might cancel out. > 1621756469 940579 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07I-ok14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83208&oldid=83207 5* 03Kwes 5* (-9) 10 > 1621756550 417121 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also there is nothing matching here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edit_distance > 1621756560 18620 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so I assume the problem just isn't solved yet or is unsolvable > 1621756647 650422 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you can assume that the string can be split only in two you may try to build something on top of length(str) splits < 1621756699 277512 :stux|RC!stux2@grid9.quadspeedi.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1621756795 92681 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or > 1621756922 655686 PRIVMSG #esoteric : str.chars.each_cons(2).sort.map(&:join) > 1621756932 825942 PRIVMSG #esoteric : results in > 1621756938 913670 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["ar", "ca", "ho", "or", "rs", "rt", "se", "th"] > 1621756945 412146 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["ar", "ca", "ec", "ho", "or", "rs", "rt", "se"] > 1621756946 433655 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["ch", "es", "he", "or", "ra", "rc", "st", "tr"] > 1621756989 391024 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and now you implement Levenshtein between these "two-byte-char" string > 1621757122 656613 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you see here it's distance 2 between carthorse and horsecart > 1621757256 725405 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83209&oldid=83094 5* 03Kwes 5* (+11) 10added I-ok > 1621757383 92511 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07I-ok14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83210&oldid=83208 5* 03Kwes 5* (+23) 10 < 1621757397 704145 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621757473 256209 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07I-ok14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83211&oldid=83210 5* 03Kwes 5* (+0) 10 > 1621757493 637829 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07I-ok14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83212&oldid=83211 5* 03Kwes 5* (+1) 10 > 1621757520 65503 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07I-ok14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83213&oldid=83212 5* 03Kwes 5* (+1) 10 > 1621757556 724884 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you could maybe do some substring matching like the bioinformatics people do all the time to find the string "horse" in both occurences, remove it and repeat > 1621757571 869854 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07I-ok14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83214&oldid=83213 5* 03Kwes 5* (+0) 10 < 1621757645 752882 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1621757691 283823 PRIVMSG #esoteric : O(n)=python > 1621757892 936555 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Kwes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83215&oldid=83171 5* 03Kwes 5* (+23) 10 > 1621757970 815131 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you make some reasonable threshold, it should perform pretty well > 1621758116 762074 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07I-ok14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83216&oldid=83214 5* 03Kwes 5* (+30) 10 > 1621758177 128544 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07I-ok14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83217&oldid=83216 5* 03Kwes 5* (-6) 10 > 1621758179 984060 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you don't know in how many substrings it should be splitted it's N^N > 1621758197 703270 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you try h, ho, hor, hors, horse on each level > 1621758202 611229 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if I understood you correctly > 1621758274 122067 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i wouldn't try it that way. there should be algorithms to find longest substrings in O(n^2). you go through that as long as the substring you find is larger than something like O(sqrt(n)) to allow for reasonable shrinking and after that you just do levensthein or something > 1621758900 542239 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh btw, in my approach you don't need the O(n^2) levenshtein, because lists are sorted already > 1621758951 513038 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so it's O(n) to split, O(n log n) to sort and then O(n) again to calculate distance > 1621758968 1934 PRIVMSG #esoteric : n+m, whatever < 1621759035 286469 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621759039 14313 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how would you do that in your example? "horse" cannot be put together by two-byte-strings > 1621759132 362199 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't put the horse together, I operate is as a ["ho", "or", "rs", "se"] sorted array > 1621759225 943506 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can see this subarray included in two arrays in my copypasta above but not in the third one because there was no horse in it > 1621759249 180725 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sure it depends on the length of strings, it they are 100 chars long there might be fake horses > 1621759299 839351 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *if < 1621759702 536228 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621760732 966727 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \help > 1621760744 337721 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is prefix \ bot-free currently? < 1621761328 388238 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621762096 357239 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621762698 820853 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.179 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621763077 522177 :TheLie!~TheLie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621763231 336848 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00059e4182066a0e3d.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621764168 387547 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621764317 758909 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621764649 631927 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-1523-141.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1621769904 392478 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621770486 371858 :LKoen!~LKoen@lfbn-idf2-1-1523-141.w92-169.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621770839 488271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Nooder Coob 5* 10New user account > 1621771585 825947 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83218&oldid=83202 5* 03Nooder Coob 5* (+355) 10/* Introductions */ > 1621771596 41990 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "and can apply measures to be sure they are called only once" -- forget this, since the commands I want to deploy are made in a supported language you can run Cloud Functions instead if Cloud Run so it's already solved on their side > 1621772354 653709 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DotSnap14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83219 5* 03Nooder Coob 5* (+1094) 10Created page with "== DotSnap Language == ==== What is the DotSnap Language ==== The DotSnap Language is a language dedicated to my stupidity, craziness, and vast imagination yet bounded with my..." > 1621772724 469995 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what a description > 1621772784 923497 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: Go doesn't use an underscore prefix, but it does make the plain _ a special "blank identifier", which you can use for unused parameters, or in a multi-value assignment for values you don't care about, or a few other similar cases. And you can freely repeat it. > 1621772905 311662 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in ruby _ is a valid identifier and also you are allowed to use the same identifier as parameters or multi-vaue assignment, so people use _ in the same way > 1621773042 762707 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Speaking of bot architectures, I did almost complete a refactoring once of our esowiki/esolangs bot where I left just the "critical" bits (IRC connection management and channel logging) in the executable, and all other logic would have been in separate processes that connect to it over an RPC thing and register for callbacks for events they care about. Mostly to avoid having to restart it so often when > 1621773048 770895 PRIVMSG #esoteric : messing about, and also to avoid having the logging go down if some less important bit breaks. Not quite as cloudy, but a bit in that direction. < 1621773451 568064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh, by the way -- you might have said something once about ignoring the wiki updates? I made the same bot (esowiki) do the bridge from the experimental Libera channel, so if you're ignoring it completely you might have been missing out on discussions happening over there. Sorry about that. < 1621773452 496681 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621773928 80503 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: does it only have to work on words without repetitions? > 1621774089 328152 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The letter bigram bag distance thing sounded reasonable to me. > 1621774122 766056 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: "the plain _" => yes, the plain underscore is a special keyword in rust too, when you use it in a pattern it can behave differently from using a variable that you only mention once > 1621774160 738872 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: a refactor of esowiki? nice > 1621774201 52371 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "and also to avoid having the logging go down if some less important bit breaks" => what happens when the web server breaks like it sometimes does from lurk mode? > 1621774288 65335 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fortunately that already doesn't affect logging, just serving, since it's already a separate process. In the post-refactoring model, it'd probably be much the same, except it'd use the standard RPC mechanism instead of the custom-built protocol it now does to implement stalker mode. > 1621774329 293942 PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you can call "connect to a socket and just read protos from it" a protocol. Well, maybe: both contain the substring "proto". But I digress. > 1621774423 188585 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Incidentally, stalker mode doesn't yet work for this channel's logs. > 1621774440 970845 PRIVMSG #esoteric : an RPC mechanism? in my vague plans for the vaporware irc client, the process that keeps the IRC connection alive and does only a few things so you rarely need to replace it just logs (almost) all traffic from the IRC connections into an append-only file, plus notifies subscribers after the file changes, that's the whole RPC mechanism for reading. of course that just pushes the harder part to other > 1621774447 317888 PRIVMSG #esoteric : components. writing would be a bit more complicated. < 1621774519 828265 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621774531 231687 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That's a reasonable model too. I was going to use the "brpc" system, because, well, because it's there. > 1621774531 505323 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83220&oldid=83197 5* 03Batata 5* (+1) 10 > 1621774542 21184 PRIVMSG #esoteric : admittedly reading also might be complicated, because I might want to exclude some sensitive information like passwords from the logfile yet temporarily relay them to a reader process > 1621774641 430605 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though I could put them to a separate short-term logfile > 1621774654 213018 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I dunno, ideally I never want to handle passwords read from IRC again > 1621774675 209564 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07I-ok14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83221&oldid=83217 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+55) 10Clarify > 1621774690 510548 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07I-ok14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83222&oldid=83221 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10fix > 1621774724 314751 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I got the impression one of Libera's (well, Solanum's) vendor-specific IRCv3 mechanisms was this thing where you get an account tag for every message, so that clients can easily know which identified user account a message came from. < 1621774731 345320 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is there a regular expression to distinguish the messages? > 1621774741 579009 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: freenode already has a mechanism for that > 1621774764 628714 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I even have a bad implementation for it that works correctly and so I can use it as reference for a good implementation > 1621774786 100535 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the protocol details are a bit complicated because it consists of three different parts: < 1621774802 83058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: All the bridged messages start with " ..." and all the wiki updates start with "[[Page title]]", though the latter has color codes in it. < 1621774842 541837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess ^< should work for detecting the bridged traffic. You can see how they look like in the logs, of course. > 1621774866 927452 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1) you use extended WHO to read the account names when you join a channel, (2) you can opt in to the server sending extended JOIN messages that contain the account name of anyone joining later, and (3) you can opt in to ACCOUNT messages that the server sends whenever someone you see on a channel changes their account (by logging in to nickserv or logging out) > 1621774883 613850 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I didn't know there was a new mechanism > 1621774905 197753 PRIVMSG #esoteric : do they also have a tag to identify connections uniquely even if they're not joined to a channel? > 1621774906 382881 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I didn't look at it so closely. Actually, looks like there's a standard IRCv3 tag: https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/account-tag > 1621774914 851789 PRIVMSG #esoteric : as in, when they're private message me > 1621774929 157071 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That one ^ should do, since it's in every message. > 1621774932 185817 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: well ok, but does libera actually implement that? > 1621774955 746107 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: well that's more useful, though not quite what I asked about > 1621774956 47542 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I didn't really find the docs of the Libera/Solanum tag, so I only had a very vague impression it was something similar. > 1621774996 687534 PRIVMSG #esoteric : From a Libera server: Capabilities supported: account-notify away-notify chghost extended-join multi-prefix sasl tls account-tag cap-notify echo-message solanum.chat/identify-msg solanum.chat/realhost > 1621775015 445837 PRIVMSG #esoteric : So "account-tag" *is* mentioned there, but the one I was confused about was "solanum.chat/identify-msg". > 1621775026 531662 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I also want a uniqe tag to identify the connection to the server, even for unidentified nicks, so that if a nick privmsgs me twice and they're not joined a channel, I can tell if they're the same connection, and more usefully, to send a private message that the server won't deliver to an unrelated person with the same nick who connected or nicked to that nick shortly before I send them the message > 1621775049 54626 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I know you can send a message to a nick!user@host as an approximation, but that's just not the same > 1621775076 185585 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and I know the servers do have such unique tags, they use them when the servers talk to each other > 1621775112 468084 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "I didn't really find the docs" => thanks, I can just ask on #libera after the drama gets lower, the freenode admins were usually very helpful about that sort of thing > 1621775137 54510 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://github.com/solanum-ircd/solanum/pull/4 implements it, and the comments said they're working on making those URLs link to the documentation, but they didn't yet. > 1621775168 633959 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Looking at the code, it's probably something else. > 1621775311 308511 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there are also some other small but useful features of freenode's old server and services that libera still supports and that I'm glad for, such as that it resends the 005 replies when you ask for VERSION -- not every IRC server does that, and it's a nice QOL improvement that lets you more safely make it possible that you can emergency hot-restart even the process that is connected to IRC while keeping > 1621775317 317382 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the connection alive even if it has a memory corruption and so its knowledge about its connections is mangled > 1621775323 900072 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and yes, I know that's a stupid thing and I'd never do that in production, but still > 1621775447 39650 PRIVMSG #esoteric : those 005 reply lines helpfully contain my nickname and the nick/channel case folding rule, all of which are really essential state to follow an IRC connection, and contain the network name, useful when you inherit multiple sockets and have no idea which one is supposed to be what > 1621775674 583360 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wish the IRC protocol was at least built such that when the server sends you a NICK/JOIN/PART/KICK message, it distinguishes whether it applies to your connection or someone else, so you don't have to know your own nick, which can change, to decide, but that seems too late to fix > 1621775721 887257 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but I haven't seen an extension that does that > 1621775750 880651 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for PRIVMSG/NOTICE it's easy, you only get a PRIVMSG targeting a nick if it's you > 1621776325 8191 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess that's like the sort of things that compiler authors face when there's an existing programming language that used to be well-defined but then optimization technology marches on and suddenly they have to figure out exact semantics of what the optimizer is allowed to do, in smaller scale > 1621776431 559724 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and then people who write interesting C or C++ or Rust programs also want to know the exact semantics to tell whether current or future optimizers are allowed to break their code > 1621776497 955473 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and then you have to go to freenode/#freenode to ask about the guarantees of how the servers are in a forest, there can't be cycles, and what that implies about the ordering of messages originating from other servers, or to oftc/#llvm to ask about the optimization guarantees for floating point vector addition > 1621776523 39185 PRIVMSG #esoteric : even though in production code you wouldn't want really to rely on those guarantees anyway > 1621776534 23999 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's not just me that happens to, right? I mean this is #esoteric > 1621776717 366938 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and then you wonder about how that limits future optimizers, including how you'll have to modify TCP when we colonize Mars and then make an IRC-like thing that allows cycles and breaks those guarantees when we colonize a third place with pairwise significant light-speed limit information delay among the three > 1621777044 56146 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm worried about the TCP thing by the way. with how slow updating basic infrastructure like that is, I really hope someone is working on suitable protocols in advance. there are a lot of theoretical problems, like you can't continue https anywhere if you want to cache webpages on every planet for faster reaction time without everyone who makes webpages having to pay for a server on every planet and > 1621777050 60433 PRIVMSG #esoteric : moon. there might be a rebound from https anywhere to allowing caching HTTP proxies for that. at least I hope so, because the alternative where only big companies like facebook and google can host webpages would suck. < 1621777148 930664 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621777237 793363 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621777261 359477 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm, well. I think Cloudflare's CDN services are pretty affordable (they've got that whole Cloudflare for Individuals free tier and all), but it would be kind of a shame if you'd be *forced* to rely on services like that. > 1621777300 881535 PRIVMSG #esoteric : huh, why can't I log in to the internet bank? did they break the webpage? > 1621777313 82526 PRIVMSG #esoteric : They moved it to Mars. > 1621777343 289132 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: they might be affordable *right now*, perhaps still if we only have presence on two or three planets (like how now many providers have one server in Europe, one in America, and one in Australia) > 1621777354 660587 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but that doesn't scale well to a Galactic Empire > 1621777392 814416 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: they could, but they'd notify me of changes that can potentially cause difficulties in accessing the internetbank interface > 1621777396 458542 PRIVMSG #esoteric : good, now the webpage reacted > 1621777475 539654 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Cloudflare's CDN presumably has a *lot* of Points of Presence on Earth, so from a simple numbers perspective, if you lower the density to one / celestial body, I think you can cover a lot of ground^W space. Though the way interstellar commerce works might turn out to be *quite* different. > 1621777588 355008 PRIVMSG #esoteric : We have a bank we no longer have any products from, and they didn't say anything about what happens to the online banking credentials. So I tried it out (once right after, and once a week later), and both times it gave all the signs of passing through a login page, but then when it should have shown the landing dashboard page, the first time it gave an error message, and the second time it just gave a > 1621777594 365112 PRIVMSG #esoteric : blank page with an URL that had an error code in it. > 1621777617 874623 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't know if they've just not considered the situation where someone has their online banking account but no active products. > 1621777657 315140 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'd kind of preferred to have closed the online thing "properly". But I'm not sure I want to start calling their customer support about it, especially now that I can't do it via a message sent through the online system. > 1621777794 651671 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe we invent practical homomorphic encryption by then (plus obviously bigger and faster hardware available for cheap, which I sort of assume with space colonization), that would make this easier, the user would just download a cached copy of a large snapshot of the state of the bank encrypted homomorphically and run it on their own machine or on the ISP's beefy box > 1621777825 339637 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and that state would verify your login details and send you the SMS for two-factor authentication > 1621777839 984522 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean it presumably wouldn't still be SMS, just some analog > 1621777987 424062 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "I don't know if they've just not considered the situation where someone has their online banking account but no active products." => there's a bank where I have some rights to a relative's account, but no own account with them. there are silly limitations that they do to me for this: I can't buy the service where I can authenticate myself on telephone so they can give me help on phone about their > 1621777993 788851 PRIVMSG #esoteric : services that I can access on the relative's account, even though the account owner could get such a service for free with their account. > 1621778101 467525 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "I'd kind of preferred to have closed the online thing "properly"." => they can't do that, there might still be things you want to do with a closed account on internet bank, like inform them about changes in your address or review transactions that are resolved after you closed your account where someone else claimed you payed for it from your account earlier but there was a delay, or transactions where > 1621778107 897564 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you potentially fraudulently tried to pay or write a cheque after your account was closed, or repeating online payments where the other side tries to incur a fee because they don't know you have closed your account > 1621778136 661744 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think if you have a bank account, even if you close everything, the bank has to keep some information about it "forever", or at least for a lot of years > 1621778208 138061 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, fair, but they could certainly invalidate my login credentials completely, instead of having them still "work" for logging into an error page. > 1621778215 840741 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this sort of applies to a lot of businesses, but with much shorter terms, because everyone else has shorter limitations for how long they are allowed to try to say you owe them money after you stopped doing business with them than for how long you can claim that your bank owes you money > 1621778239 454533 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, logging into an error page is probably not the correct behavior > 1621778283 862152 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm also interested in what they'll do about the last annual statement, which they've so far sent only electronically, which I would normally download from the website. > 1621778296 585648 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hopefully they'll just mail it this one time. > 1621778361 849358 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Not that I really need one, except to complete the set.) > 1621778386 865157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't think they will snail mail you the statement after you asked them to send only electronically, because some clients do that because they worried that unauthorized people steal snail mail from their postbox and the snail mail has sensitive personal information > 1621778407 609985 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can probably get the statement if you walk in in person and ask them, or maybe ask them to mail it to you > 1621779003 299206 PRIVMSG #esoteric : does brpc stand for befunge rpc? > 1621779189 226116 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ACCOUNT messages that the server sends whenever someone you see on a channel changes their account" -- does you get these messages when someone does nickserv identify? > 1621779254 787875 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16:03:35 So "account-tag" *is* mentioned there, but the one I was confused about was "solanum.chat/identify-msg". -- oh this is it mentioned I guess > 1621779268 135703 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: yes, but only if you opt into it with CAP or CAPAB or some such message > 1621779292 957696 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and if you and them share a joined channel at the time > 1621779305 15238 PRIVMSG #esoteric : s/such message/such magic/ > 1621779318 168340 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and this is for freenode, I haven't tested anything on libera < 1621779375 4722 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PART :#esoteric > 1621779396 593179 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess I'll give in to the move for now, part freenode/#esoteric, and trust the bridge > 1621779478 898577 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well I lost it somewhere around Mars colonization > 1621779558 169774 PRIVMSG #esoteric : s/does you get/do you get > 1621779626 72497 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas still when you get the message from someone who's not on your channels you don't immediately see his state > 1621779668 891677 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and so you have to do additional requests to server and during that time user could be replaced > 1621779846 157377 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: yes, if they're not on a channel, you can't even tell if a second message they send is from a different connection with the same nick!user@host > 1621779874 971112 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also if you send someone a private message, even if they are on channels when you send the message, because there's a race condition > 1621779893 677749 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the practical solution to this is to not use privmsgs in situations where you care about this, just use channels, since creating channels is so easy > 1621779900 577945 PRIVMSG #esoteric : rare case when GCP docs have things not described well enough https://cloud.google.com/functions/docs/securing/authenticating#exchanging_a_self-signed_jwt_for_a_google-signed_id_token so I don't understand how to fully build those damn JWT request > 1621779919 730659 PRIVMSG #esoteric : will have to attach GCP SDK to make Function requests ( > 1621779928 933750 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in order to have them authorized > 1621779934 807777 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oauth magic? > 1621779943 510383 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or google apis? > 1621779976 578541 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the "Generating tokens manually" instead of using SDK that has all this magic inside > 1621780027 64984 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there is also "Generating tokens programmatically" that I might need to do only once too, but there is no Ruby among snippets, lol > 1621780040 389796 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and I'm just lazy to install others > 1621780062 927016 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah yes. "only once". and then you can throw away the logs for how you did that, because you'll surely never need to do it again. > 1621780078 791883 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "surely" > 1621780096 331944 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no, actually I never throw magic away and attach it as comments everywhere > 1621780130 987641 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, you have experience > 1621780176 74571 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's rather seen practice than painful experience > 1621780217 99527 PRIVMSG #esoteric : back in 2013 when I saw the corporate wiki in the company that was full of people who are interested in their jobs > 1621780265 153786 PRIVMSG #esoteric : job security by obscurity? > 1621780280 801943 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what does that mean > 1621780527 781777 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean it was an awesome wiki that was very helpful, I was quickly finding snippets of other guys, and was easily building the picture of company projects; so I was learning all the wiki abilities to create documentation of our department and it felt like a correct thing to work on > 1621780547 329620 PRIVMSG #esoteric : great > 1621780555 16920 PRIVMSG #esoteric : since then I'm accumulating notes and tend to commit them rather than throw away > 1621780567 313148 PRIVMSG #esoteric : job security by obscurity is the opposite of that, when you don't document how you do your magic, so they can only do it by asking you > 1621780591 289504 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah ye, I call it a sysadmin style < 1621781461 884733 :river!~rain1@unaffiliated/rain1 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1621782961 231793 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `help > 1621782961 474174 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch [] " downloads files. Files saved to $HACKENV are persistent, and $HACKENV/bin is in $PATH. $HACKENV is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert, https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/ to browse. $PWD ($HACKENV/tmp) is persistent but unversioned, /tmp is ephemeral. > 1621783060 404194 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ > 1621783063 44197 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ > 1621783103 184520 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `relcome > 1621783105 603667 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02EFnet 06or 13DALnet.) > 1621783123 121971 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ` grep -Ri freenode > 1621783123 882254 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​? Permission denied > 1621783129 424729 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ` grep -Ri freenode $HACKENV > 1621783130 172939 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​? Permission denied > 1621783150 377377 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ` cat $HACKENV/* | grep -i freenode > 1621783151 150824 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​? Permission denied > 1621783302 529517 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there's some more (unfinished) help at https://esolangs.org/wiki/Hackeso > 1621783313 391658 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sorry, at https://esolangs.org/wiki/HackEso > 1621783426 393862 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ` which grep > 1621783427 190782 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​? Permission denied > 1621783434 787082 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `run which grep > 1621783435 618371 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​/bin/grep > 1621783441 422192 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `run grep -Ri freenode $HACKENV > 1621783473 127719 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Binary file /hackenv/interps/c-intercal/ick matches \ /hackenv/interps/c-intercal/src/feh2.c:void prexpr(node *np, FILE *fp, int freenode); \ /hackenv/interps/c-intercal/src/feh2.c:static void prvar(node *np, FILE *fp, int freenode) \ /hackenv/interps/c-intercal/src/feh2.c: prvar(np->lval, fp, freenode); \ /hackenv/interps/c-intercal/src/feh2.c: prexpr(sp->lval, fp, freenode); \ /hackenv/interps/c-intercal/src/feh2.c:static void ooprvar(node *np, FIL > 1621783492 41271 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -I to ignore binary files I guess > 1621783498 76106 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `run grep -RiI freenode $HACKENV > 1621783524 754405 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hah. int freenode > 1621783528 906000 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​/hackenv/interps/c-intercal/src/feh2.c:void prexpr(node *np, FILE *fp, int freenode); \ /hackenv/interps/c-intercal/src/feh2.c:static void prvar(node *np, FILE *fp, int freenode) \ /hackenv/interps/c-intercal/src/feh2.c: prvar(np->lval, fp, freenode); \ /hackenv/interps/c-intercal/src/feh2.c: prexpr(sp->lval, fp, freenode); \ /hackenv/interps/c-intercal/src/feh2.c:static void ooprvar(node *np, FILE *fp, int freenode) \ /hackenv/interps/c-intercal/ < 1621783529 445039 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric > 1621783538 963973 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `run grep -RiI freenode $HACKENV | grep -v 'int freenode' > 1621783540 569505 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `run grep -RiI freenode $HACKENV | wc -l > 1621783560 386280 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: by the way, the 005 replies claim that the name of this network is libera.chat, not libera, as far as the servers are concerned > 1621783574 810730 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No output. > 1621783576 557981 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No output. < 1621783606 778757 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621783624 685475 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83223&oldid=83103 5* 03B jonas 5* (+652) 10/* Communications */ possible move from freenode > 1621783625 847934 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 001 too > 1621783680 399153 PRIVMSG #esoteric : As I understand from the web presence, "Libera.Chat" is the proper name of the network, and "Libera Chat" the organization that runs it. > 1621783718 96751 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: I'm mostly wondering what syntax for the network brctl: ignore accepts, but I don't want to know enough to experiment with it > 1621783748 727820 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh. It's all manually configured, so the names are just "libera" and "freenode" because that's what I put in the file. > 1621783783 508541 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that said, I'm going to call the network libera too > 1621783787 214676 PRIVMSG #esoteric : probably > 1621783818 137882 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think it's unambiguous enough in context, for the purposes of things like IRC commands and URLs where brevity is appreciated. > 1621783836 87878 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I care about > 1621783853 184613 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mostly care about the network name in 005 because it's a useful thing to double-check in a bot to avoid silly misconfiguration mistakes > 1621783874 413410 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's not something I can trust, because a malicious IRC client can lie that they're part of freenode in that field > 1621784135 400844 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Here's a thing I should fix: if I use Emacs Magit mode to make a commit, and it's one of these repositories where I've configured commit.gpgsign=true to sign all commits, and I haven't authenticated to the GPG agent recently, it will try to ask for a key passphrase in a way that goes horribly wrong. > 1621784231 358527 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The curses pinentry dialog will pop up in some unrelated terminal, and in such a mode that the keypresses will be only partially (seemingly at random) interpreted by the passphrase entry dialog, and the others will be echoed, and the only way I have to recover is to kill the pending git command and the pinentry process. > 1621784285 398504 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It works fine when executed from a regular terminal though, but it's some sort of an interaction with running Emacs in a server. I'm sure someone's figured it out, I just haven't. < 1621784691 790947 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1621784711 187537 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I called it libera in weechat at least > 1621784736 526533 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yea that’s what I called it in my bouncer < 1621784951 764170 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621785037 667311 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1621785206 750556 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621785279 847619 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: oops > 1621786085 933012 PRIVMSG #esoteric : liberated church? what does that mean lol > 1621786209 304847 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: I started out with "libera" and the rest is word association games > 1621786263 701495 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bot should make up new topic > 1621786378 398509 PRIVMSG #esoteric : basically I was just one-upping myself anyway (see topic on fr**node) > 1621786415 589938 PRIVMSG #esoteric : woah > 1621786442 497904 PRIVMSG #esoteric : while trying to escape the JSON dumped RASEL code for echo and curl it seems that I've created a file > 1621786449 854457 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and it's named /?@,Gj"dlroW ,olleH\">/?@,Gj" > 1621786464 654599 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with both slashes, and I thought it's impossible to create files with / > 1621786522 455795 PRIVMSG #esoteric : good thing I have a GUI or I won't be able to remove it > 1621786724 187973 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: it's possible to create files with slashes in their names on windows, just not the usual way you use the API. < 1621786741 144827 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621786761 990557 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (and it's inadvisable) < 1621787848 133271 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a002d1935ed026fe0ed.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1621788374 889099 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621788390 549829 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Unexpected internal error" > 1621788393 401873 PRIVMSG #esoteric : thank you google > 1621788438 899669 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I use Windows only for gaming < 1621789425 393751 :sftp!~sftp@unaffiliated/sftp QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1621789814 786163 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a002d1935ed026fe0ed.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621789989 770872 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fine, I'll give up and rely on preinstalled gcloud sdk < 1621790480 518285 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621790947 653429 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621791501 680023 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had: i /:esowiki![^ ]* PRIVMSG #esoteric :/i But, I will change it now; let's try < 1621791542 993492 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe now it will work; let's see > 1621791567 107541 PRIVMSG #esoteric : This is a message from the bridge, so if you saw it, it worked. < 1621791573 785693 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that won't work > 1621791596 931125 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Right, I guess it doesn't prove that it suitably ignored one of the wiki updates. < 1621791605 364083 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I tried again. < 1621791618 873878 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This time, I can receive the message; it worked > 1621791781 4504 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can you make the bridge drop every message containing the word fnord > 1621791815 541433 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also drop messages randomly for confusion > 1621791821 174231 PRIVMSG #esoteric : good idea! > 1621791823 17193 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or replacing the nicknames > 1621791876 227222 PRIVMSG #esoteric : adding typos < 1621791901 15743 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can private messages by sent by this bridge, or public only? (Does any IRC bridge support private messages, even if not this one?) > 1621791940 434824 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's just a bot, whatever user can do it does < 1621792028 505842 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, if private messages are supported at all, then the bridge operator can potentially see them meaning it isn't so private, but still. Of course, so can the IRC server operators.) < 1621792210 419472 :Soni!~quassel@unaffiliated/soniex2 PART #esoteric :"http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere." > 1621792524 727575 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: "Does any IRC bridge support private messages, even if not this one?" => my old bridge cbstream supported sending private messages, but not receiving them > 1621792556 135849 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think fizzie's bot only forwards one or two channel, not private messages, but you'll have to ask them < 1621792664 133529 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a0094e1c319059239d6.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1621792961 1568 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621793435 81608 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Vivax 5* 10New user account > 1621793482 334918 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yo > 1621793491 823447 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yuo should do a GCF > 1621793498 503940 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or move to ##esolangs > 1621793504 636048 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the # vs ## thing sucks > 1621793528 66145 PRIVMSG #esoteric : huh? > 1621793548 787278 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is esolangs a registered project/community? > 1621793559 929569 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's being worked on > 1621793570 474486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://libera.chat/chanreg > 1621793657 104850 PRIVMSG #esoteric : GCF was created to support the efforts of developing countries in responding to the challenge of climate change. > 1621793744 203470 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yers > 1621793757 796834 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? gcf > 1621793759 842303 PRIVMSG #esoteric : gcf? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ > 1621794916 227331 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Oshaboy 5* 10New user account > 1621795023 395437 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83224&oldid=83218 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+97) 10/* Introductions */ < 1621795110 706540 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621795259 111481 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621795272 718918 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621795469 841634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1621795732 232567 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel "!dlroW ,olleH">:?@,Gj > 1621795735 345327 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon, output: "Hello, World!", exit code: 0 > 1621795752 193332 PRIVMSG #esoteric : finally I made it > 1621795784 247418 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? prefixes > 1621795786 139170 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =. > 1621795838 951447 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `slwd prefixes//s=.$=, velik \\.= > 1621795843 205489 PRIVMSG #esoteric : prefixes//Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. > 1621795930 824893 PRIVMSG #esoteric : thanks > 1621795944 295027 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie might want to add the nickname to ignorelists > 1621795971 350033 PRIVMSG #esoteric : here is the bot code https://github.com/Nakilon/nakiircbot/blob/master/example_libera_velik/main.rb > 1621795994 211591 PRIVMSG #esoteric : here is the Cloud Function code https://github.com/Nakilon/rasel/blob/master/examples/google_cloud_function/app.rb > 1621796178 196151 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and to add new function its cmd and address should be added to this gist https://gist.github.com/Nakilon/92d5b22935f21b5e248b713057e851a6 > 1621796190 159723 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and then the "hot reload" > 1621796193 193540 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \reload remote > 1621796194 303591 PRIVMSG #esoteric : remote execution commands loaded: ["rasel"] > 1621796239 500065 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ignore ^(EgoBot|HackEgo|HackEso|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|lambdabot|oonbotti|metasepia|ruddy|preflex|evalj|idris-bot|passwordBOT|jconn|applybot|blsqbot|fnordbot|termbot|otherbot|j-bot|esolangs|bfbot|egelbot|velik)! > 1621796239 581190 PRIVMSG #esoteric : OK. > 1621796265 974537 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: otherbot hasn't existed for... 3+yr > 1621796267 980183 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can remove it > 1621796280 340581 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, I'll do a spring cleaning of that expression some day. > 1621796312 430391 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Noisytoot: We're waiting for a reply to our community registration email, but we already got verbally told it's okay. > 1621796328 404697 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Re what river asked, you can in fact tell the proxy to skip messages containing a keyword, like "fnord", but you probably shouldn't, because it would be confusing. > 1621796365 411701 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I added that one because there was the ongoing spam thing where they were considerate enough to mark each line with that symbol. < 1621796389 965155 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621796424 783528 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621796432 456385 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: can your instance of HackEso use CTCP action? I modified mine to permit ACTION and only ACTION, dunno if this one can > 1621796475 651241 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think probably not, though I don't know if I care enough, given that it's not come up until now. > 1621796514 40881 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yea i assumed so > 1621796523 622337 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION words around a verbified noun > 1621796525 932915 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if it comes up again I can hand over a patch < 1621796596 467087 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't generally like to use CTCP ACTION, but there it is. So, we can see that the message is sent through the bridge, unchanged. < 1621796669 467516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's just that a lot of clients only render it correctly when the ^A is at the very start. It's not great, but that's how it is. < 1621796704 531044 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well, that is the correct behavior < 1621796724 135978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure you were supposed to be able to embed CTCP inside messages arbitrarily. < 1621796733 482457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not so meaningfully for ACTION though. < 1621796735 912424 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think it is better the way that it is, although, that is a valid concern; but, when they are rendered incorrectly, how does it render them? We can see exactly what are the problems with them specifically < 1621796776 451445 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embedding ACTION like this is probably useful for bridging, though. > 1621796790 890106 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `rasel "!dlroW ,olleH">:?@,Gj < 1621796791 826139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I saw int-e's message was as " AACTION words around a verbified nounA", with the 'A' letters that are actually ^A rendered with reversed colors. > 1621796792 590324 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello, World! < 1621796874 416323 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my computer, there is a /SET FORMAT option; with /SET FORMAT - it does like you describe; with /SET FORMAT + it diplays the CTCP part of the message in red. < 1621796905 175307 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, it does this even if it is alone and not part of another message.) > 1621796917 859303 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the good thing about this serverless thing is that it easily stops when RAM or Time limits are reached < 1621796991 102575 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:02:03 ACTION words around a verbified noun < 1621797003 83182 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be 22:02:03 * int-e words around a verbified noun < 1621797049 854719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, that'd be the obvious "pre"formatting for CTCP ACTION. < 1621797208 925694 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ugh, you seem to be right that CTCP in the middle of a message was meant to work < 1621797249 131318 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I imagine it would then result in two lines here, , * esowiki < 1621797292 497636 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would still be up to the bridge to turn this into something more sensible < 1621797381 147342 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I still think that what it currently does makes sense, at least > 1621797508 685111 PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw > 1621797518 743110 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 22:06:02 *** User ##esoteric is already on the channel. < 1621797539 989676 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it does > 1621797545 697190 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I feel like thelounge dropped previous logs > 1621797609 595182 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess there were two channels and then they were merged > 1621797634 6171 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and now I'm unable to switch to the old one to see the history, lol > 1621797669 400951 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's now trashed somewhere in thelounge's sql db > 1621797784 768645 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: fizzie can probably invite you > 1621797841 256499 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but it also seems kind of pathetic, not being able to check the logs just because you're not joined :) > 1621797888 586259 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what about your clients? do you miss that chunk too where we were jumping around the hackeso ` `` ```? > 1621797904 928429 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cbt and stuff > 1621797948 250232 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e so another channel still exists? > 1621797964 10442 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's still 10 people on ##esoteric, yes. > 1621797975 170793 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: #esoteric and ##esoteric both forward people to join here > 1621797981 208605 PRIVMSG #esoteric : to->who > 1621797989 210628 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah it looks like the thelounge limitation to be not able to read the log if you for example was banned and then you closed the tab > 1621797995 211142 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the tab of the channel > 1621797996 305593 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There was a big split, and then ChanServ kicked out a whole bunch of people with the reason "invite-only channel". > 1621798000 572177 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: down from 22 the last time I checked... attrition! > 1621798022 918520 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (apparently I was on the wrong side of that split) > 1621798036 512542 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (doesn't matter, I only just noticed) > 1621798058 618023 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: I can invite you onto it if you do need it for the logs, though I agree that's a little weird. > 1621798184 652545 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The plan is to allow it to gradually empty, then leave it as an empty forwarded for a time, and then drop the registration, because in terms of policy I think anyone should be free to claim ##esoteric to talk about... whatever they think is appropriate for the name. We'll still keep single-# #esoteric for now. > 1621798826 10114 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "otherbot hasn't existed for... 3+yr" => and I believe EgoBot hasn't existed for even longer, but we're an IRC community, we don't forget our past so quickly > 1621798849 320656 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no need to spring clean that, there's no harm coming from ignoring those other bots > 1621798852 317893 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh by the way > 1621798887 483597 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: I'll probably ask simcop to join perlbot to our channel, wherever that is, so you might want to have fungot ignore perlbot too. > 1621798888 632451 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: mr president, i would like to express my support for the peace process is not served in any way. indeed, famine and ethiopia: these are amendment nos 5, 11 and 12 because they merely restate the principles of transparency and citizenship at the service of other objectives which it may be claimed that the world's population by 2015 and the objective of the commission, may i ask you whether you do not insist on the inser > 1621798957 544697 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot is an instance of a modified version of buubot3, and simcop already brought it to libera > 1621798961 445328 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[074BOD14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83225 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+2437) 10Initial > 1621798980 888630 PRIVMSG #esoteric : huh thought i brought it hear earlier already > 1621799003 982729 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it will only speak when spoken to so it's usually fine > 1621799042 740931 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: you're aware that backslash is valid as the first character of an irc nick, an in fact oren wore such a link for a while, right? > 1621799160 542957 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ignore ^(HackEso|lambdabot|metasepia|idris-bot|blsqbot|j-bot|esolangs|velik|perlbot)! > 1621799160 660605 PRIVMSG #esoteric : OK. > 1621799177 215141 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I know some of those are still obsolete, but anyway.) > 1621799201 106763 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03IPhoenix 5* 10New user account > 1621799262 10465 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot! > 1621799262 378308 PRIVMSG #esoteric : river: this week we have already been applying the practices of armed groups seeking to cut off supplies we must consider how best to reduce greenhouse gas emissions at global level to observe social labour standards. > 1621799291 513178 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Armed groups are one way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, yes. > 1621799301 394926 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " * int-e words around a verbified noun" => I dislike formatting CTCP action that way > 1621799320 660289 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'd suggest " /me words around a verbified noun" instead > 1621799352 264673 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83226&oldid=83224 5* 03IPhoenix 5* (+276) 10hi < 1621799427 560417 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and I would prefer just sending it directly. So, those are now three different suggestions. > 1621799534 830012 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " nakilon: I can invite you onto it [libera/##esoteric ]" => mode the channel to passworded -i+k and make the password automatically track (a sanitized version of) /hackenv/wisdom/password ! then people who try to join accidentally will be forwarded here, but anyone can still join deliberately :-) > 1621799552 627197 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: thanks > 1621799585 665925 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot compose {echo > 3 -- fun}{echo got} > 1621799585 925434 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: Error: unmatched closing parenthesis in compose > 1621799591 145756 PRIVMSG #esoteric : np. i've added some features to it since we last talked about it, i can set this channel to have it's own namespace of factoids if you guys want it > 1621799621 958167 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot compose {echo {echo > 3 -- fun}{echo got}} > 1621799622 200719 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: > 3 -- fungot > 1621799623 277475 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://factoids.perl.bot/ for a way to browse them all. > 1621799644 372842 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: thanks > 1621799817 237482 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: We speculated about making an invite exemption that allows anyone already on #esolangs to join ##esoteric if they wish -- /quote help extban says "$c: - Matches users who are on the given channel", but https://libera.chat/guides/extbans doesn't mention it, and didn't work. > 1621799850 375907 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what is the difference between #esolangs and ##esoteric > 1621799858 364270 PRIVMSG #esoteric : basically nothing > 1621799866 40439 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can't join it, neat. > 1621799879 749496 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's supposed to just forward to here. > 1621799883 763495 PRIVMSG #esoteric : imode: it forwards people here, just as #esoteric does > 1621799885 427806 PRIVMSG #esoteric : aha, that explains it. < 1621799948 435383 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the help file says something that does not match the implementation, then you should file a bug report > 1621800001 341067 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[074BOD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83227&oldid=83225 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+92) 10Categories > 1621800011 608355 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's not much point in hanging out on it, really, but of course people still do. Well, I shouldn't talk, *I'm* still there too. Maybe I should just lock the topic and part, to show good example. > 1621800026 407111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[074BOD14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83228&oldid=83227 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+0) 10Typo > 1621800041 523715 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: Yeah, although I can't rule out the possibility that I did something wrong. < 1621800060 51331 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what you will have to check first > 1621800115 546284 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: there's a web interface listing them? hmm, that sort of ruins the joke where the only way to list them was to list ones matching each individual byte like compose `compose [echo `eval join"",map{"[fact search [eval chr $_]]"} 0..255']' except that one times out so it doesn't work > 1621800169 819622 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yea there started to get to be too many factoids for search to work like that anymore so i had to do something else > 1621800190 861673 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[074BOD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83229&oldid=83228 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+53) 10Typo and extra info > 1621800203 215775 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there's also the factgrep command that looks only at the subject of the factoid and gives it back as a perl/json array to be consumed in macros > 1621800210 451695 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: factgrep _be_ > 1621800210 697017 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: ["_be_abesimpson_it","_be_brain","_be__default","__be_elliott_poop","_be_elliott_poop","_be_florianbd_functions","_be_foo_blarg","_be__get_list","_be_huf_anyad","_be_kent\\n_news","_be_kthx","_be_larry_underwood_song","_be_list","_be_mst_cistern","_be_mst_snort","_be_parv_thanks","_be_paste","_be_pearl","_be_simcop2387_mrceremonies","_be_web","_be_xenu_1"] > 1621800211 717776 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[074BOD14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83230&oldid=83229 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+0) 10Typo > 1621800234 122872 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well... you could add some way in the factoid plugin to get a window into the list of factoid names, so that we can list them even automated in a macro, but that would be work > 1621800243 648901 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[074BOD14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83231&oldid=83230 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+0) 10Typo < 1621800260 456779 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf > 1621800261 262838 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait, factgrep? > 1621800264 761147 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and the search is now also powered by postgresql's full text search engine, including macro outputs. so it tends to do better on actual searches < 1621800275 703406 :kspalaiologos!~kspalaiol@176.221.122.179 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1621800279 900858 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yea runs a regex across all the factoid subjects (not the contents) < 1621800283 771867 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621800285 971859 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so that things like this are doable > 1621800286 84350 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[074BOD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83232&oldid=83231 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+45) 10Extra Info > 1621800288 195157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: literal be > 1621800288 389252 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: P:macro be is [eval $str="[fact [8ball [fact _be__get_list [arg]]]]"; $arg=[quote d [arg]]; if ($arg =~ /^\s*a\s+retard\s*$/) {$arg=[quote d [arg &n]]}; if ($arg =~ /^\s*$/) {$str} else {"<".$arg."> ".$str}] > 1621800301 612955 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot fact literal factgrep > 1621800315 296414 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a command part of the factoid plugin, no way to do it otherwise > 1621800330 995323 PRIVMSG #esoteric : help fact > 1621800333 427170 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot: literal _be__get_list > 1621800333 617867 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: macro _be__get_list is `eval use JSON::MaybeXS qw/decode_json/; $bel= decode_json `quote d `fact factgrep ^_be_`arg!!!; return `quote d `fact _be__default!! unless (@$bel); @$bel = (@$bel, @$bel); join(', ', @$bel) =~ s/,/ or /r! > 1621800344 807674 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i've not kept up with the help properly for it all > 1621800354 145543 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: yeah, help text are hard to write < 1621800359 54194 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit > 1621800361 998842 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's just a PCRE regex against the factoids < 1621800375 750656 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621800377 887654 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait, a PCRE regex powered by postgres? > 1621800382 407756 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yea > 1621800400 712287 PRIVMSG #esoteric : at least i think it was pcre. can't remember > 1621800407 726688 PRIVMSG #esoteric : id perl esoteric? > 1621800416 165941 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it can be > 1621800426 76304 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: perl isn't, but perlbot is > 1621800433 118447 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it probably would be considered so these days > 1621800438 967696 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas yeah, it might be valid nickname char but I'm used to it from some time ago > 1621800454 544688 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I hope no one name himself \rasel > 1621800474 632900 PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway > 1621800489 332267 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel some random text that people would write here > 1621800492 448201 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon, output: "", exit code: 255 > 1621800511 101454 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i wish we had the ircv3 extension that let you have unicode nicks. > 1621800536 438441 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `echo perlbot echo hi > 1621800537 706034 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo hi > 1621800537 950638 PRIVMSG #esoteric : HackEso: hi > 1621800568 891814 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, is that OK or is that a botloop risk in the future? > 1621800571 299036 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean > 1621800579 100142 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `echo j-bot: 'hi' > 1621800579 879594 PRIVMSG #esoteric : j-bot: 'hi' > 1621800586 777789 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's basically the same as that > 1621800606 834288 PRIVMSG #esoteric : um > 1621800611 159076 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh yeah, j-bot isn't here > 1621800615 667928 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have to test that on freenode < 1621800621 153815 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1621800630 247112 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't consider Perl to be so "esoteric" but it does seem to be unusual in some ways. I have a list of unusual (or otherwise notable) features of programming languages, so if you know then you can add it, I suppose < 1621800634 716843 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo j-bot: echo 'hi' < 1621800635 608080 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: echo 'hi' < 1621800636 35588 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEso: |security violation: echo < 1621800636 144927 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEso: | echo'hi' < 1621800641 391409 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo j-bot: 'hi' < 1621800642 489773 :HackEso!~h@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/hackeso PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-bot: 'hi' < 1621800643 73502 :j-bot!~jbot@hagall.firefly.nu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEso: hi > 1621800647 987387 PRIVMSG #esoteric : HackEso's main anti-loop defence is that non-breaking space in front of non-alphanumeric first characters. > 1621800659 389177 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It kind of doesn't work for bots that respond to "nick:" prefixes. > 1621800662 454525 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, basically the same as how perlbot is invoked > 1621800665 30233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot will throttle itself but it won't try to break a loop itself > 1621800665 367519 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [woldrich] [woldrich > you] [well this] [well, it] [wonderwall] [hello there] [tl;dr] [wolfram] [wantarray] [webdragon] < 1621800693 662869 :b_jonas!~a@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PART :#esoteric > 1621800710 795821 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that said i can easily just tell it to ignore the other bots if needed > 1621800743 793380 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, j-bot can do that too > 1621800765 677433 PRIVMSG #esoteric : You might tell it to ignore HackEso and perhaps fungot. Though I guess traditionally we should get one botloop in first. > 1621800765 930616 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: mr president, no doubt, however, also like to thank you and your house has understood this in as much as does parliament that the number of people who are in the process. of course, the quality of those jobs. > 1621800790 842732 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for now velik is almost loop-safe because the rasel output is prefixed with "output: " > 1621800798 796111 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \assuming there's no error for *all* text that starts with a backslash, only the ones that are specific commands, then I think conflicts are unlikely. > 1621800865 471995 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm wait > 1621800894 624540 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'll have to look at that in more detail, because that sounds like there might be botloops that you can only start by changing your nick to a bot command > 1621800898 573261 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh and this one > 1621800899 773711 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ping > 1621800899 923557 PRIVMSG #esoteric : pong > 1621800917 614937 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \echo hi > 1621800939 549439 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though if output is prefixed by output: that does sound safe > 1621801172 798569 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel 0 > 1621801193 837920 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > symbol "perlbot echo hi" > 1621801195 473374 PRIVMSG #esoteric : error: > 1621801195 512624 PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Variable not in scope: symbol :: [Char] -> t > 1621801195 512695 PRIVMSG #esoteric : • Perhaps you meant ‘isSymbol’ (imported from Data.Char) > 1621801200 645641 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text "perlbot echo hi" > 1621801202 445357 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo hi > 1621801202 629516 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: hi > 1621801207 581383 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's more promising > 1621801230 779459 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, but then it prefixes the output with lambdabot, and I don't think you can trigger lambdabot that way > 1621801236 27914 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: > 2 > 1621801237 945784 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @run 3 > 1621801239 497540 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 > 1621801241 219298 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait > 1621801248 168948 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh it does not respond with bot-level exception like "HTTPRequestTimeOut 408 Request Timeout" here -- it PRIVMSGs it to me > 1621801253 322912 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Was going to say, I've seen people do the @run thing. > 1621801288 167742 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text "perlbot @echo hi" > 1621801289 532608 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot @echo hi > 1621801289 901249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [.ec] [.eg] [.es] [each] [easy] [.hi.us] [high] [e] [ed] [.ee] > 1621801302 304165 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text "wait what? @echo hi" > 1621801303 701945 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait what? @echo hi > 1621801321 622207 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text "@echo hi" > 1621801323 599204 PRIVMSG #esoteric : @echo hi > 1621801329 331122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text "perlbot echo @run 123" > 1621801330 779971 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo @run 123 > 1621801330 964207 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @run 123 > 1621801332 392233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 123 > 1621801337 326754 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text "perlbot @echo hi" > 1621801338 722621 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot @echo hi > 1621801338 994208 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [.ec] [.eg] [.es] [each] [easy] [.hi.us] [high] [e] [ed] [.ee] > 1621801361 523251 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the above, just replace "123" with something that generates text "..." and you'd be done. > 1621801361 799498 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text "perlbot echo @echo hi" > 1621801363 366938 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo @echo hi > 1621801363 583653 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @echo hi > 1621801363 624155 PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo; msg:IrcMessage {ircMsgServer = "libera", ircMsgLBName = "lambdabot", ircMsgPrefix = "perlbot!~perlbot@71.76.76.1", ircMsgCommand = "PRIVMSG", ircMsgParams = ["#esolangs",":lambdabot: @echo hi"] > 1621801363 624245 PRIVMSG #esoteric : } target:#esolangs rest:"hi" > 1621801388 410075 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text "perlbot echo @run text \"hi\"" > 1621801389 911276 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo @run text "hi" > 1621801390 104659 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @run text "hi" > 1621801391 616602 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi > 1621801393 646774 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's absolutely loopable > 1621801404 729593 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I will wait a little bit of time before I actually loop it though > 1621801415 274076 PRIVMSG #esoteric : since I specifically asked simcop to join it here > 1621801437 179742 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've got nothing to do with either perlbot or lambdabot, so I'll just make some popcorn and watch. > 1621801439 406961 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot help ignore > 1621801439 636177 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: Sorry, no plugin named ignore found. > 1621801503 971815 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean I can make a loop that I can break, but still < 1621801520 387785 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric > 1621801533 624655 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: can you please make perlbot ignore lambdabot? > 1621801547 410536 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: can you please make lambdabot ignore perlbot? > 1621801573 279569 PRIVMSG #esoteric : @ignore perlbot > 1621801573 329931 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not enough privileges > 1621801578 20129 PRIVMSG #esoteric : $deity: can you please make all bots sentient, so they can decide not to get stuck on loops? Wait, maybe that's got some more implications. > 1621801583 207194 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo @ignore perlbot > 1621801583 417738 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: @ignore perlbot > 1621801623 81400 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text "perlbot echo @ignore perlbot" > 1621801624 621897 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo @ignore perlbot > 1621801625 181060 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @ignore perlbot > 1621801625 220015 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not enough privileges > 1621801649 286859 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text "perlbot echo @ignore +perlbot" > 1621801650 757488 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo @ignore +perlbot > 1621801650 965732 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @ignore +perlbot > 1621801651 18001 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not enough privileges > 1621801657 337864 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text "perlbot echo @ignore -perlbot" > 1621801658 966944 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo @ignore -perlbot > 1621801659 144839 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @ignore -perlbot > 1621801659 183772 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not enough privileges > 1621801672 414755 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text "perlbot echo @ignore + perlbot" > 1621801673 910525 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo @ignore + perlbot > 1621801674 114652 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @ignore + perlbot > 1621801674 153726 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not enough privileges > 1621801685 232589 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can't even ignore you? > 1621801694 684738 PRIVMSG #esoteric : j-bot has a special command to ignore you > 1621801698 365820 PRIVMSG #esoteric : which works without privilages > 1621801710 240988 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's not the normal ignore command, a different command > 1621801765 693420 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what does "j-" mean? > 1621801776 488558 PRIVMSG #esoteric : J language > 1621801791 111023 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh cool > 1621801869 738749 PRIVMSG #esoteric : weird, the lambdabot ignore command isn't even in the whatisdb. I thought it had all lambdabot commands. > 1621801873 224127 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `whatis ignore > 1621801874 322816 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ignore(8jevalbot) - ignore messages from the given irc nick > 1621801973 593095 PRIVMSG #esoteric : although now I should add perlbot commands to the whatisdb too > 1621802036 602672 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `whatis whatis > 1621802037 595012 PRIVMSG #esoteric : whatis(1) - display one-line manual page descriptions \ whatis(1hackeso) - display one-line manual page descriptions \ whatis(5hackeso) - no description > 1621802063 391754 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's mostly manpage headers, but I added a bunch of bot commands for fun > 1621802063 721362 PRIVMSG #esoteric : _Oo > 1621802101 937446 PRIVMSG #esoteric : including "all" HackEso commands, except I think one that has a newline in it which the format of this whatisdb doesn't allow or something silly like that > 1621802107 411356 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `whatis b_jonas > 1621802108 542329 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: nothing appropriate. > 1621802115 732794 PRIVMSG #esoteric : try `? for that > 1621802117 847634 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sounds tight > 1621802120 206998 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *r > 1621802143 442534 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but of course there are new HackEso commands since > 1621802154 608165 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? b_jonas > 1621802155 890805 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas egy nagyon titokzatos személy. Hollétéről egyelőre nem ismertek. He is often too busy with appeasing the M:tG gods to make any sense. > 1621802171 627833 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bit like the `info script my Hackbot instance has. > 1621802180 545396 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean having manpages for HackEso commands actually makes some sort of sense, > 1621802186 784959 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and then I went from that to other bots by analogy < 1621802187 981601 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf > 1621802195 270902 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` cat ${which whatis} > 1621802196 149581 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: ${which whatis}: bad substitution < 1621802202 775566 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621802207 461691 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION tired > 1621802218 190016 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ``` cat $(type -p whatis) > 1621802219 79786 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​#!/usr/bin/python3 \ import sys, os, re \ if len(sys.argv) <= 1: \ print("whatis what?") \ sys.exit(1) \ else: \ argorg = [] \ argfoldv = [] \ foundv = [] \ for arg in sys.argv[1:]: \ argorg.append(arg) \ argfoldv.append(arg.casefold()) \ foundv.append(False) \ with open(os.environ.get("HACKENV","/hackenv") + "/share/whatis", errors="surrogateescape") as whatisdb: \ for line in whatisdb: \ > 1621802221 128672 PRIVMSG #esoteric : round parens > 1621802225 605695 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ye > 1621802238 345953 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i just got in bed for a nap, so I’m tired and on phone :P > 1621802265 604674 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ``` url $(type -p whatis) # might be more useful > 1621802267 898549 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/bin/whatis < 1621802459 87454 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621802472 697452 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621803682 251067 :harha_!~harha@ns356919.ip-91-121-144.eu QUIT :Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in > 1621803803 207803 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text "perlbot echo @run text \"hi\"" -- just to check if any of the ignores are set > 1621803804 598602 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo @run text "hi" > 1621803805 32376 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @run text "hi" > 1621803806 509419 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi > 1621803940 599216 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ugh < 1621804084 625204 :harha_!~harha@ns356919.ip-91-121-144.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1621804277 594739 :dionys!dionys@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ynghsbdhdywsijfq JOIN :#esoteric > 1621804545 200542 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: please make lamdbabot ignore perlbot > 1621804558 654030 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: can't > 1621804562 758992 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can't? > 1621804583 391102 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo @run text "hi" > 1621804583 578220 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: @run text "hi" > 1621804590 940586 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh > 1621804598 235809 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'll have to wait for simcop then > 1621804600 729859 PRIVMSG #esoteric : anywa, I can't because I already did > 1621804604 148851 PRIVMSG #esoteric : to make perlbot ignore lambdabot > 1621804626 465936 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, who is lamdbabot ;) > 1621804630 380578 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: this one is trivial to turn to a botloop, with the defined value or quine on either side > 1621804641 192135 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :) typo yes > 1621804653 674121 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text "perlbot echo @run text \"hi\"" > 1621804655 334598 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo @run text "hi" > 1621804655 536281 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @run text "hi" > 1621804657 213314 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi > 1621804665 266843 PRIVMSG #esoteric : huh, I thought I did > 1621804686 145816 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text "perlbot echo @run text \"hi\"" > 1621804687 656237 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo @run text "hi" > 1621804687 882000 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @run text "hi" > 1621804703 310165 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also wait > 1621804707 637420 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm > 1621804717 165198 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh right > 1621804867 998945 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this still sounds like you might be able to get j-bot and perlbot in a botloop if you give the right invocation and nick away right before one of the bots wants to connect btw > 1621804871 1184 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but that's hard > 1621804886 300205 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but I will have to think a bit if there's an easier way > 1621805073 969448 PRIVMSG #esoteric : apparently unaffiliated cloaks start with "user/" on libera, not "unaffiliated/" < 1621805090 385776 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what (if anything) to write about the things I mentioned adding into wisdom file? I don't know, by myself. < 1621805101 405235 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: I suppose there is the advantage being shorter > 1621805107 200750 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yep < 1621805355 34479 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, I would like the option of forward-DNS-based cloaking, that allows you to use any domain name that resolves to the address that you are connecting from, in addition to the cloaking that is already implemented; this can be helpful when you cannot configure the reverse DNS, or if you have multiple domain names and want only one of them for IRC) > 1621805459 536358 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: I don't really see what the advantage is of DNS hostnames in hostmasks at all, as opposed to just ip addresses, unless it's because hostnames are sometimes shorter, especially for ipv6, but we could abbreviate ips to such short base64 strings or something that this is almost never worth < 1621805573 764107 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, IP addresses would also help especially if you wan to avoid a reverse DNS lookup (or any DNS lookup) on the server, for efficiency; it is what I do for my own server stuff. < 1621805610 120919 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, the advantage of supporting host names is in case you have a dynamic IP address but still want to identify your computer in the IRC logs in this way. > 1621805611 710703 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if it weren't for having to moderate spammers, I'd prefer if the hostname field just showed a dummy value, or something entirely different than a hostname, instead of an actual hostname or ip address < 1621805649 996273 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621805656 627050 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but ip addresses help channel ops ban spam quickly < 1621805663 733947 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some IRC servers do that, sometimes needing a +x mode (which is sometimes the default). However, if it has the format of a domain name, but it is not valid, then probably ".invalid" should be added to specify that it is invalid. < 1621805679 352971 :pikhq!sid394595@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztksgwwvugpeintq PART #esoteric :"don't care about being present in both channels while we have the bouncer" > 1621805701 292688 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: I think we already have some pretty well supported IRC syntax to mark fake hostnames, used for cloaks and services < 1621805758 175975 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the format with slashes, which are not valid in domain names, so that works, I think. < 1621805766 716665 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But not all IRC networks use this) < 1621805938 178501 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621805948 531894 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1621806146 928646 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621807315 780380 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a0094e1c319059239d6.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” > 1621807912 931658 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `؟ liberA > 1621807914 245637 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​.ebyaM .erutuf eht fo dnal eht si arebiL < 1621807938 653725 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621807942 133522 PRIVMSG #esoteric : woah > 1621808045 397332 PRIVMSG #esoteric : salpynx: o/ > 1621808717 534782 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, so ¿ does work too!: > 1621808719 440193 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `¿ befunge > 1621808720 711027 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​.dronF .sgnihT eht llA detnevbenat benaT dnA .benaT tog tognuF dnA .tognuF togeb egnufeB dnA .egnufeB saw gninnigeB eht nI > 1621808745 222508 PRIVMSG #esoteric : was there a fourth question mark in unicode, hm?.. > 1621808787 237986 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `; unicode > 1621808788 86981 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​;? No such file or directory > 1621808808 590033 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `⁇ unidecode > 1621808809 398013 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​⁇? No such file or directory > 1621808820 310219 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `unidecode ؟ > 1621808821 190194 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​[U+061F ARABIC QUESTION MARK] > 1621808842 341949 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there’s at least one more ؟, ⸮: > 1621808845 421881 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `unidecode ⸮ > 1621808846 526240 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​[U+2E2E REVERSED QUESTION MARK] > 1621808851 909754 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `⸮ unidecode > 1621808852 743985 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​⸮? No such file or directory > 1621808871 886727 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? ⸮ > 1621808873 230322 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​⸮? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ > 1621808914 613589 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I find this trend very questionable > 1621808974 221149 PRIVMSG #esoteric : would it be good to have a wisdom about ¿? > 1621808995 626284 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, I mean about those two other ones > 1621809075 575689 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Whopper14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83233 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+1075) 10Add some stuff < 1621809158 464293 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot > 1621809459 306643 PRIVMSG #esoteric : feel free to unlearn this but I hope this will stick :D > 1621809460 266668 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `؟ ؟ > 1621809461 802205 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​؟ is more than just wisdom > 1621809508 226210 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (and ¿ was already wise) < 1621810152 613408 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621810468 551103 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621811301 217944 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric > 1621812000 206099 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I had hoped ¿ turned the wisdom upside down (rotate not reflect), but it's just a synonym for ؟ > 1621812001 885991 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Whopper14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83234&oldid=83233 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+166) 10 > 1621812062 381500 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (found it by looking in the source repo) > 1621812751 258060 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text "perlbot echo @run text \"hi\"" -- lets' try again > 1621812752 795496 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo @run text "hi" > 1621812753 228300 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @run text "hi" > 1621812760 672752 PRIVMSG #esoteric : thanks, int-e < 1621812788 561085 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1621812899 859180 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Turning characters upside-down is harder than changing their order. < 1621812913 823870 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-224-103.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1621812927 887120 PRIVMSG #esoteric : If memory serves, Unicode doesn't even really have a good upside-down set for the English alphabet, you end up using silly approximations? > 1621813029 758364 PRIVMSG #esoteric : According to one online converter, this is not very wise -> ǝsıʍ ʎɹǝʌ ʇou sı sıɥʇ. > 1621813043 861536 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Which is okay, I guess, but not great. > 1621813053 574625 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Especially the i → ı part. < 1621813254 543893 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621813418 672062 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` python3 -c 'print("sı\u0323 sı\u0323ɥʇ")' > 1621813419 661929 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sı̣ sı̣ɥʇ > 1621813952 296439 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `jrypbzr > 1621813953 864362 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Jrypbzr gb gur vagreangvbany uho sbe rfbgrevp cebtenzzvat ynathntr qrfvta naq qrcyblzrag! Sbe zber vasbezngvba, purpx bhg bhe jvxv: . (Sbe gur bgure xvaq bs rfbgrevpn, gel #rfbgrevp ba RSarg be QNYarg.) > 1621813957 776711 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, we do have that > 1621813976 558741 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `welcome > 1621813978 291706 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1621814788 37945 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621814803 253778 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621814927 704571 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: done < 1621815059 572915 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621815078 640828 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621815509 990715 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `coins > 1621815512 163302 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​06decientcoin 13kolmograntcoin 04tmmcoin 07duodcoin 08locatcoin 09kuffcoin 02brisccoin 06yoteritaftgnomagarabcoin 13regexicoin 04shoussencoin 07mertatecoin 08sincoin 09digicoin 02geoboaftcoin 06vivatiocoin 13kipsiancoin 04ooocoin 07amertcoin 08selfcoin 09tatcoin > 1621815528 271472 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can I has an obsoletecoin > 1621815551 983382 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh "selfcoin" is good, somehow > 1621815573 501995 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ooh? > 1621815575 774361 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `coins > 1621815577 731258 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​07kildcoin 08atttecoin 09aricoin 02ollecoin 06chalcoin 13procoin 04puzzliccoin 07dogcoin 08aubeoncoin 09enfingperloadskydozhleyearelycoin 02stacoin 06alagucoin 13rubesyzcoin 04moncoin 07circutecoin 08udagerocoin 09inlamicrecoin 02scocoin 06tincoin 13sarcoin > 1621815608 765844 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, I'll pay in enfingperloadskydozhleyearelycoin, is that okay? > 1621815784 127016 PRIVMSG #esoteric : chibi: is that the cryptocurrency equivalent of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rai_stones < 1621815799 782928 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621815803 856762 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` cat $(which coins) > 1621815804 874247 PRIVMSG #esoteric : words ${1---eng-1M --esolangs 20} | sed -re 's/( |$)/coin\1/g' | rainwords > 1621815814 610442 PRIVMSG #esoteric : huh > 1621815817 95776 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` which words > 1621815818 18289 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​/hackenv/bin/words > 1621815823 756519 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` cat $(which words) > 1621815826 28213 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​#!/usr/bin/perl \ use strict; use warnings; \ use v5.10; \ use open qw( :encoding(UTF-8) :std); \ use File::Basename 'dirname'; \ use Storable 'retrieve'; \ use List::Util qw(sum min); \ use Getopt::Long qw(:config gnu_getopt); \ BEGIN { \ eval { \ require Math::Random::MT::Perl; Math::Random::MT::Perl->import('rand'); \ }; \ #warn "Optional module Math::Random::MT::Perl not found.\n" if $@; \ } \ \ #constants \ my @options = qw(eng-1M > 1621815890 519127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Whopper14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83235&oldid=83234 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (-166) 10/* hello world */ > 1621815922 601011 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hyperdawg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83236&oldid=82458 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+14) 10 > 1621816022 370834 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I didn't remember it was a mixture of both English and esolang names, I thought it was just the latter. Plus the -coin suffix. < 1621816058 783323 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1621816234 238251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User talk:Truttle114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83237&oldid=81589 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+79) 10/* can you make a video on my language? */ new section > 1621816931 396785 PRIVMSG #esoteric : simcop2387: thanks > 1621816996 899247 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: Raid stones => or those million dollar bills used for some questionable banking reasons in the UK > 1621817089 82570 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the ones that are supposedly legally valid cash and you can pay with them anywhere, but if you try everyone will know you've stolen it (or worse, counterfeited) and they'll call the police and delay the payment on that account > 1621817108 540005 PRIVMSG #esoteric : not really weirder than some of the other UK traditions really > 1621817262 386603 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, this spam "newsletter" that I get every week, why did I just get three copies of it? > 1621818267 273448 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: can I have a copy of hackbot's fetch from your instance? It's being super weird and I cannot get it working for whatever reason. > 1621818298 432148 PRIVMSG #esoteric : specifically, multibot/multibot_cmds/lib/fetch > 1621818371 942863 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's exactly the same file as https://github.com/fis/hackbot/blob/master/multibot_cmds/lib/fetch > 1621818392 131918 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION is annoyed > 1621818395 145926 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah well > 1621818430 667927 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'll keep debugging then, was worth a shot seeing if you modified it > 1621818496 974009 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The only changes I have in the running instance from the commit in github are: in multibot_cmds/PRIVMSG/tr_60.cmd, the `ignored_nick` list is changed (I should probably add more bots to it), and the lock file is changed from "lock" to os.environ['HACKENV']+".lock"); and in multibot_cmds/lib/sandbox, the /usr/bin/umlbox path is changed and `'--env', 'LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8',` is added to the list of flags. > 1621818551 173737 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yea I prodded it a bit more than that, so i'll need to remember what I changed > 1621818576 517622 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've got a commit in the checkout in a branch called `live`, which I rebase when I make changes to the public code. > 1621818615 821209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (So seeing what I changed is `git diff -r master -r live`.) > 1621818665 357018 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Existing languages developed for some other purposes, or languages made for that specific purpose that would still count as esolangs? > 1621818744 44449 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `rakudo --help > 1621818744 838965 PRIVMSG #esoteric : rakudo? No such file or directory > 1621818757 60079 PRIVMSG #esoteric : meh, not surprised i couldn't get Rakudo to work inside UML > 1621818760 309320 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it seems to dislike it aha > 1621818800 65961 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't think that's very common. In fact, I don't think I've heard of any examples. > 1621818825 788578 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yea I was quite surprised, it works fine outside UML but inside it gets upset and crashes instantly > 1621818854 60183 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That was about esolangs in video games, to be clear, not about Rakudo. > 1621818871 85913 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah > 1621818916 844514 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Soni: I think there's been some discussion about whether those kind of things should count, with no clear conclusion. > 1621818963 540007 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think someone was talking about writing an article about the TIS-100/Shenzhen/EXAPUNKS assembly languages. > 1621818994 958930 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my gut tells me those don't really count but I can't really say why > 1621819062 459548 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, just saying, that's when the topic of languages designed to be part of gameplay came up. Though the Minecraft context might be even closer. > 1621819221 980771 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In any case, I don't personally have anything against having articles about them, and I don't remember any particularly convincing arguments. > 1621819221 980880 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `prefixes > 1621819221 980906 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^prefixes > 1621819221 980925 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot prefixes > 1621819221 980948 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's a https://esolangs.org/wiki/Spacechem_Programming_Language page but that's very stubby. > 1621819222 62295 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Soni: it is common to have certain games, especially sandbox simulation games, happen to grow languages that turn out to be more powerful than the creator of the game intended, in the TeXbook appendix D sense, > 1621819222 65036 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . > 1621819222 819791 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [purebasic] [prezses] [_purpose_0] [_purpose_1] [_purpose_2] [_purpose_3] [_purpose_4] [_purpose_5] [_purpose_6] [_purpose_7] > 1621819224 389970 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. > 1621819244 38022 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or sometimes there's an existing game that works well and the developer sees how easy it would be to add a language on top of them to add some programming capabilities > 1621819319 899385 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the latter applies to shapez.io and Factorio, the games I've recently been playing, which deliberately have some programming as part of gameplay capabilities added into them, but as those programming capabilities are weird, they automatically become an esolang where people try to solve tasks that the languages don't make easy and come up with intersting constructions like you have to in an esolang < 1621819374 818239 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621819399 147816 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Yit 5* 10New user account > 1621819438 365772 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the former applies to OpenTTD (and its ancestor TTDPatch), which originally just added pre-signals to make it possible to make better train networks, where making train networks is the orignal goal of the game, but then it turns out that trains plus presignals creates an interesting esolang with surprising constructions possible > 1621819470 848906 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Soni: dunno, I don't particularly care about the definition question here > 1621819582 393799 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh yeah, minecraft. I'm not too experienced in that, but I believe that has some of those programming as gameplay capabilities too > 1621819602 840355 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it might be the most famous example > 1621819606 46641 PRIVMSG #esoteric : OpenTTD seems like the kinda game that's boring to play normally but really interesting to optimize > 1621819620 603396 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder if (Open)RCT2 has anything similar. > 1621819648 753261 PRIVMSG #esoteric : chibi: yeah, there's an entire OpenTTDcoop community for that, with inscrutable internal customs and lots of scarcely documented game knowledge < 1621819649 811914 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1621819694 731671 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they know more about OpenTTD programming than anyone else, but it's hard to learn from them > 1621819705 435048 PRIVMSG #esoteric : luckily they have IRC presence on oftc, which helps to some extent > 1621819718 192932 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (well, if you're the IRC kind of person, which I assume here) > 1621819767 684096 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and of course there's some Super Mario Maker programming too, definitely esoteric but much more limited in general purpose computation capabilities than the previous examples > 1621819770 502015 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Interesting, interesting. Ooh, DF comes to mind too > 1621819786 611279 PRIVMSG #esoteric : DF is probably turing complete in more ways than we've even found aha > 1621819805 467261 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not familiar with Dwarf Fortress programming, but I think there were some Dwarf Fortress players on this channel, there definitely are somewhere on ... um, freenode? > 1621819817 145910 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm right here > 1621819821 841503 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :P > 1621819837 313367 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah good > 1621819855 857824 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the most common way is mechanisms + minecarts computation > 1621819865 257747 PRIVMSG #esoteric : feel free to ask me about shapez.io and factorio by the way. I don't know everything, obviously, but still > 1621819868 11424 PRIVMSG #esoteric : which is just a derivative of billard ball computation, with extra logical tools to make it compact > 1621819885 939151 PRIVMSG #esoteric : minecarts in their current form in fact behave like billard balls :P > 1621819910 739219 PRIVMSG #esoteric : usage of fluids is good for things like memory cells when you need compactness > 1621819924 499883 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fluids are also probably TC, but i've not seen a proof > 1621819973 592869 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83238&oldid=83226 5* 03Yit 5* (+83) 10adding myself > 1621820365 619379 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Shuffle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83239&oldid=50266 5* 03Enoua5 5* (+37) 10Update dead link < 1621820492 93126 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Hmmm > 1621820649 720129 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Soni: pwoerpoint is definitely one of those accidental thingies > 1621820692 174766 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "fluids are also probably TC, but i've not seen a proof" => do you have exponential quantity of fluids with as large storage tanks? if so, just implement Waterfall > 1621820726 940073 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think you only need like single exponential if you do it right, but I'm not completely sure < 1621823188 25060 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621823202 695123 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621823462 622784 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621823477 664746 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621824372 262583 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Something I discovered a few days ago: John Conway built a fluid machine https://nautil.us/blog/this-early-computer-was-based-on-a-urinal-flush-mechanism > 1621824403 587718 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot, prefixes are fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. > 1621824403 915334 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: Stored prefixes are fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. > 1621824403 954481 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: mr president, madam commissioner, i do not feel it would also be an option. that is the reason why some members are left feeling slightly perplexed that they envisage an institution which is also true of the community which was only accepted when austria joined the european union > 1621824412 395231 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot prefixes > 1621824412 608409 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. > 1621824605 496862 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder if we should try to break this category of bot loops by making it so that when a bot like j-bot or perlbot or lambdabot prefixes the nick of the requestor to a reply, it uses a delimiter after that nick that's never accepted as a delimiter for invoking a bot, so that you can't confuse invoking a bot from a bot replying you > 1621824636 998549 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I didn't think of that when designing j-bot's terrible interface, but now I wonder > 1621824642 886870 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what delimiter would be useful for that? > 1621824670 712216 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the usual invisibl ^O? > 1621824681 662526 PRIVMSG #esoteric : +e > 1621824769 799741 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot prefixes most replies with a space in an attempt to prevent this kind of thing... but perlbot is too generous in how it is addresed > 1621824779 534216 PRIVMSG #esoteric : j-bot accepts too many delimiters in that context > 1621824784 262144 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: hmm > 1621824804 153635 PRIVMSG #esoteric : s/prevent/mitigate/ is more appropriate, I guess > 1621824837 208496 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and there are some exceptions, most notably @where, which this channel has abused plenty > 1621824876 330183 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: I'm more worried about the kind of botloop where two bots reply each other with a nick prefix, like xbot says "ybot: foo" then ybot says "xbot: foo" (both on channel). the hard part is starting such a loop, which usually requires a race condition, but sometimes there are other sneaky ways, and I'd rather if the bots were designed such that such a loop can't be sustained, not just can't be started. > 1621824888 573109 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but the control-O may be a good idea > 1621824894 172567 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @run 1 > 1621824906 827797 PRIVMSG #esoteric : see, lambdabot wouldn't accept that with a leading space > 1621824916 318888 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nor does j-bot > 1621824917 756599 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @run 1 > 1621824918 773444 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo hi > 1621824918 988397 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: hi > 1621824919 195838 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 > 1621824921 669961 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but perlbot does > 1621824935 931532 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so that's not foolproof > 1621824935 970436 PRIVMSG #esoteric : right, hence the potential botloop with lambdabot earlier > 1621824949 620726 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well, nothing will be foolproof > 1621824958 269063 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sure > 1621824985 176466 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess one could do the fungot thing, stop replying after 5 messages from the same nick. > 1621824985 525541 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: mr president, i am happy to take our entrepreneurs, investors and companies there. it will no longer exist. as this is contrary to the texts themselves. now, europe’s contribution to the work of these authorities and to establish it as a substantial step forward, but rome was not built in a day. should not we in the group quite rightly, that the complexity of the groups. > 1621824999 147049 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but that would be really awful for lambdabot's ordinary use :) > 1621825009 687996 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot @run 2 > 1621825015 150941 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @run 3 > 1621825016 589677 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 > 1621825025 223354 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @run 4 > 1621825036 25392 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo 5 > 1621825046 366512 PRIVMSG #esoteric : j-bot: 6 > 1621825056 972861 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, a control-O after the nick seems to work decently > 1621825077 169352 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot echo 5 > 1621825081 871278 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or before? < 1621825082 272793 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that, if a loop is detected, then perhaps NOTICE should be used for the reponse, and it should never respond to a NOTICE; if a loop continues to be detected after that, then it should ignore further messages for some amount of time, until it resets. > 1621825096 192646 PRIVMSG #esoteric : prefixing with ^O is way easier... < 1621825145 124683 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may work, but maybe it should be right at the beginning, rather than after the nick, I think > 1621825150 991491 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I also have to be careful about bot loops in private message. I recall three such cases: > 1621825180 454874 PRIVMSG #esoteric : one with buubot1 which just lets anyone ask it to send a reply in private message to anyone else, which is just plain silly; < 1621825211 578385 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1621825217 605041 PRIVMSG #esoteric : one with j-bot which is much more relaxed (though not strictly) about invocation syntax in private message than in public, and one with bfbot which had a bug about not escaping newlines or something like that > 1621825236 939512 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so I have to be careful about private message syntax too < 1621825251 928629 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even so, if there are still loops despite ^O then something will have to be done, even though that will probably mitigate it in most cases, but not necessarily all. > 1621825260 947183 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perhaps I should add the same nick and delimiter prefix in the reply even when I reply to a private message > 1621825297 863138 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: sometimes sending a notice during heuristically detected potential loops is not a bad idea > 1621825309 501429 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'll think about it > 1621825346 718115 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, the reason why we usually don't use notice is because it annoys some people because of their broken clients, but a bot loop is probably even more annoying > 1621825453 784852 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'll remove lambdabot from the channel before I change it to use notice < 1621825498 716336 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is why you might do only if a loop is detected < 1621825934 782669 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621826180 858994 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1621826334 230932 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621826447 640259 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621826465 481157 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1621826764 979108 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03BadBoyHaloCat 5* 10New user account < 1621826829 780423 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621826897 483006 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83240&oldid=83238 5* 03BadBoyHaloCat 5* (+162) 10 < 1621827083 826872 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1621827582 649771 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Feta14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83241&oldid=79598 5* 03BadBoyHaloCat 5* (+265) 10 < 1621829654 457320 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621830488 654439 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1621831000 690665 :mniip!mniip@b.deneb.mniip.com QUIT :Quit: I am at a loss of words | You know where to find me < 1621831719 198756 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1621831811 915220 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1621831846 786798 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621833196 682512 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1621833327 762170 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621833521 866575 PRIVMSG #esoteric : morning > 1621833538 906497 PRIVMSG #esoteric : starts with esoteric < 1621833586 779813 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621833632 195998 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I made project euler 1 one-liner and wanted to show but realised the irc command can't pass stdin > 1621835852 132918 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Home Row14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83242&oldid=63185 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+131) 10 > 1621836367 643811 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Good morning! < 1621836572 794920 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621836876 812292 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621837075 113576 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621837152 734085 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621837168 72604 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621837518 708270 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I do not :( I've been rather algorithm-ignorant as of late < 1621837817 909796 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1621837855 835611 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Kruskal;s algorithm is neat, though < 1621837872 558351 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621838099 40827 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621838134 535472 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1621838180 223600 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, Prim's and Kruskal's algorithm are both very greedy and get an optimal solution < 1621838352 564611 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621838368 1322 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621838654 91562 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you should try to find a minimal spanning tree < 1621838752 616584 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621839304 49623 :metcalf_!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621839343 198426 PRIVMSG #esoteric : did you neighbor just told you you can forget about the cat? < 1621839410 531720 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1621839410 851648 :metcalf_!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com NICK :metcalf < 1621839552 499061 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621839568 37144 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621840080 44818 PRIVMSG #esoteric : woah, the gist.githubusercontent.com is cached ( > 1621840154 719447 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it didn't update the /raw/ file until either ~2 minutes passed or I refreshed it in a browser with trailing '?' < 1621841441 636167 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621841681 239593 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621841697 45747 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621841954 853266 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621841972 994175 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621842414 622701 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621842647 654108 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621842706 689475 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621843610 921309 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1621843797 709624 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621843985 931827 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621844175 633416 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \help > 1621844175 750214 PRIVMSG #esoteric : available commands: rasel; usage help: \help > 1621844187 65489 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \help rasel > 1621844187 189557 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel ; \rasel -stdin ; timelimit=60s; https://esolangs.org/wiki/RASEL > 1621844208 615783 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel "!dlroW ,olleH">:?@,Gj > 1621844209 725644 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon, output: "Hello, World!", exit code: 0 > 1621844224 532170 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel -stdin |1 2 3|& .& .& .@ > 1621844225 631649 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon, output: "1 2 3 ", exit code: 0 > 1621844251 75361 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel -stdin 10 &\:5\?#j$--.@1-::3%\5%/7\?#j$\2a- > 1621844252 191426 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon, output: "23 ", exit code: 0 > 1621844258 434260 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel -stdin 1000 &\:5\?#j$--.@1-::3%\5%/7\?#j$\2a- > 1621844260 545348 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon, output: "233168 ", exit code: 0 > 1621844290 946112 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and this is the project euler 1 > 1621844375 324689 PRIVMSG #esoteric : used b_jonas idea about one-liners with 'j' > 1621844424 620027 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that is \?#j$ < 1621844490 816780 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1621844577 143606 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, btw, I was wrong about the prefix -- it appends with "nickname, output: " -- I'll probably change it > 1621844721 975950 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel -stdin 1000 &\:5\?#j$--.@1-::3%\5%/7\?#j$\2a- > 1621844724 145789 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "233168 ", exit code: 0 > 1621845814 659150 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is there no easy way to link to a specific wiki page section? > 1621845891 62561 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, the links seem to exist and can be copied from the "Table of contents" but if TOC isn't added to page then I see no way > 1621845906 756406 PRIVMSG #esoteric : when you hover on the subtitle it doesn't show up anything > 1621846033 77092 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: just read the page source to find the anchor names. I do that for a lot of websites that do have anchors or id attributes but not tables of contents linking to them. > 1621846102 343377 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: or preview an edit where you add __TOC__ at the start to get the anchor name < 1621846198 189147 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621846230 221342 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sounds "easy" < 1621846452 796642 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621846468 42722 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621846811 855737 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RASEL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83243&oldid=81013 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+445) 10telling that you can join the IRC channel and ask velik to execute the code > 1621846856 922694 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a plain HTML website with proper anchor names for each section. be glad for that. don't you browse any of the modern nonsense web, all dynamic and unusable? > 1621846999 700097 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't actually ) > 1621847016 50202 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I use news via RSS and use old.reddit.com > 1621847022 573233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *read news > 1621847110 663437 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and I suppose the hover anchor appearance does not need JS, only CSS < 1621847225 906528 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1621847573 174895 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_space > 1621847724 854385 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RASEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83244&oldid=83243 5* 03Nakilon 5* (-3) 10/* Nth Fibonacci number */ > 1621848407 432032 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RASEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83245&oldid=83244 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+3) 10Undo revision 83244 by [[Special:Contributions/Nakilon|Nakilon]] ([[User talk:Nakilon|talk]]) > 1621848888 130307 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Ch44d 5* 10New user account > 1621849600 30624 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83246&oldid=83240 5* 03Ch44d 5* (+128) 10Hello, I am Chad! > 1621849622 809457 PRIVMSG #esoteric : perlbot 0B4mraAVZJEF > 1621849623 34927 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: aKNSSrw8EjpI > 1621849807 643193 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RASEL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83247&oldid=83245 5* 03Nakilon 5* (-6) 10shorter Fibonacci < 1621850398 330127 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621850652 621999 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621850670 119714 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621850725 317741 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* 10New user account > 1621850935 770236 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Morganbarrett 5* 10New user account < 1621851086 698689 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621851170 728051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83248&oldid=83246 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+194) 10 > 1621851533 490509 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83249&oldid=83248 5* 03Morganbarrett 5* (+150) 10 > 1621851543 506178 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Morganbarrett14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83250 5* 03Morganbarrett 5* (+0) 10Created blank page > 1621851916 837105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Aonodensetsu14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83251 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+135) 10Created page with "[[Category: 2021]] This is a stub of my personal page, hello to all that visited! Esolangs published: While(true){ (currently editing)" > 1621851934 518380 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Aonodensetsu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83252&oldid=83251 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+2) 10 > 1621851972 673668 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Aonodensetsu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83253&oldid=83252 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+6) 10 > 1621852934 388886 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Cypooos 5* 10New user account > 1621853227 556130 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83254&oldid=83249 5* 03Cypooos 5* (+212) 10Added my introduction ! > 1621853389 585172 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83255&oldid=78526 5* 03Morganbarrett 5* (+296) 10 > 1621853478 728896 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83256&oldid=83255 5* 03Morganbarrett 5* (+11) 10 > 1621853556 844069 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83257 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+251) 10Created page with "[[Category:2021]] [[Category:Languages]] [[Category:High-level]] [[Category:Implemented]] [[Category:Self-modifying]] [[Category:Cell-based]] Category:Linear bounded automat..." > 1621853599 917730 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83258&oldid=83209 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+18) 10 < 1621853697 172084 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621853880 9489 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83259&oldid=83257 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+346) 10 > 1621853942 93271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83260&oldid=83259 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+955) 10 < 1621853952 795046 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621853967 610783 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621853996 872417 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83261&oldid=83260 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+20) 10 > 1621854042 159897 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83262&oldid=83261 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+523) 10 > 1621854110 624845 PRIVMSG #esoteric : should we have an "Esoteric IRC bots" category? > 1621854130 376300 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I see at least 4 such pages > 1621854139 753952 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83263&oldid=83262 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+7) 10 > 1621854521 8601 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's 10 bots (some not currently active) listed on https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal with 7 of them having articles. > 1621854529 295492 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not sure if it needs a category though. > 1621854555 487060 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's a process for categories that's documented somewhere on there, if you want. > 1621854556 650001 PRIVMSG #esoteric : category:IRC > 1621854600 269011 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (my feeling is that the IRC bots are too narrow a category. IRC though, might just be broad enough to be worthwhile) > 1621854637 475378 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm, that'd be taggable on IRP too. > 1621854706 14652 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't think it falls under any of the established dimensions of categorization, but there's already a few miscellaneous ones. > 1621854730 302637 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In any case, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Categorization is where this discussion should be happening, as a matter of policy. :) > 1621854757 295402 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (That talk page could do with some archiving of inactive topics at some point, maybe.) > 1621854763 918406 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Icecream17/Arbitrary14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83264&oldid=83101 5* 03Int-e 5* (+1) 10pluralize (there is no Language category) > 1621854832 409835 PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you're doing spring cleaning, "Category:stupid family" probably shouldn't exist. < 1621854848 310662 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Quit: Trying to switch to Libera.Chat > 1621854873 438082 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83265&oldid=83263 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+59) 10 > 1621854913 675840 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Birb14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83266&oldid=82033 5* 03Int-e 5* (+2) 10category: Theoretical -> Unimplemented > 1621855021 696554 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: ah, that has 2 members. I only checked the ones with 1 member and no existing category page. > 1621855042 197884 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Because those are usually typos/miscategorizations > 1621855056 273412 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, I think that one's intentional, but still not good. > 1621855089 560146 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah I agree. > 1621855092 169865 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Out of curiosity, how do those bottom navigation tables on the real wiki work? Are they category-driven, or something else? Because that's the sort of thing you could plausibly have on an IRC bot page... > 1621855098 351764 PRIVMSG #esoteric : We also have two empty categories with page > 1621855183 547600 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I guess they're just templates maybe.) > 1621855278 344252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83267&oldid=83265 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+44) 10 > 1621855284 757856 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot is in category People, lol > 1621855285 687740 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of my colleagues, but sooner or later) this must be recognized that in some member states are interpreting the text in this case it concerns a particularly grave and important issue that we have not just government ministers coming from their national administrations. the parliamentary democracy that led the commission to negotiate on the details, we are coming to the same > 1621855301 624300 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83268&oldid=83267 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+4) 10 > 1621855327 786610 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: hmm, I always assumed they were templates > 1621855352 809315 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: Yeah, there was a tiny "view template" link in a corner, now that I actually looked closely at one. > 1621855361 182204 PRIVMSG #esoteric : e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Italy_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest > 1621855361 448704 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Templates based on a "Navbox" template, it looked like. > 1621855390 585829 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... the one I was looking was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Eurovision_Song_Contest ... > 1621855392 243403 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83269&oldid=83268 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-21) 10 > 1621855427 743794 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Getting to sixth place and beating Sweden has been a big thing back home.) > 1621855481 141139 PRIVMSG #esoteric : My partner's Italian and their city is in the running for host next year, so we're going to try to attend in person > 1621855489 347841 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess it's a recent event that's on both of our minds > 1621855502 701181 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83270&oldid=82103 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+452) 10/* I propose the category "Esoteric IRC bots" */ new section > 1621855510 685693 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83271&oldid=83269 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+26) 10 > 1621855548 264794 PRIVMSG #esoteric : On that note, is there any way of getting those navboxes on m.wikipedia? Because it's been real annoying when browsing 'pedia on the phone. > 1621855559 697620 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Especially when you know a page would have one, and it would have exactly the link you need. > 1621855571 651921 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Aonodensetsu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83272&oldid=83253 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+16) 10 > 1621855583 329753 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Aonodensetsu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83273&oldid=83272 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+0) 10 > 1621855611 449126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83274&oldid=83258 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+13) 10 > 1621855658 639208 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Aonodensetsu14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83275&oldid=83273 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-7) 10 > 1621855661 324726 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Templates using the navbox (navbox) or nomobile (sidebar) classes are not displayed on the mobile web site of English Wikipedia" :( > 1621855665 544437 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Navbox ) > 1621855746 758436 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83276&oldid=83271 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+2) 10 > 1621855811 219623 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83277&oldid=83276 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+101) 10 > 1621855939 6148 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83278&oldid=83277 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-6) 10 > 1621855985 17812 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83279&oldid=83278 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-28) 10 > 1621856100 191735 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83280&oldid=83279 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+127) 10 > 1621856171 450986 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83281&oldid=83280 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+177) 10 > 1621856197 238516 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83282&oldid=83281 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+0) 10 > 1621856216 783378 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83283&oldid=83282 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-4) 10 > 1621856272 47007 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83284&oldid=83283 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+12) 10 > 1621856285 377900 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83285&oldid=83284 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+0) 10 > 1621856310 980947 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07DotSnap14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83286&oldid=83219 5* 03Nooder Coob 5* (-1094) 10Blanked the page > 1621856348 140501 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83287&oldid=83285 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+2) 10 > 1621856382 989843 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83288&oldid=83287 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-6) 10 < 1621856548 12190 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621856637 306896 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83289&oldid=83288 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+2475) 10 > 1621856709 576195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83290&oldid=83289 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+46) 10 > 1621856792 974230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83291&oldid=83290 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+79) 10 > 1621856811 60224 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83292&oldid=83291 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+3) 10/* How to define a function? */ > 1621856822 434192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83293&oldid=83292 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+0) 10/* How to define a function? */ > 1621856917 254627 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83294&oldid=83293 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-36) 10/* Naming of functions */ > 1621856926 78815 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83295&oldid=83294 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-3) 10/* Naming of functions */ > 1621856965 337609 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83296&oldid=83295 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+64) 10/* Naming of functions */ > 1621856989 556813 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83297&oldid=83296 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-22) 10/* Undefined functions */ > 1621856998 350514 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83298&oldid=83297 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-22) 10/* Why CALL? */ > 1621857037 385808 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83299&oldid=83298 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+3) 10/* Why LOOK? */ > 1621857056 228043 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sigh, microedits > 1621857129 377977 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's a while(true) > 1621857147 429427 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: Germany, meanwhile, still hasn't managed to get that coveted last place... hard to do when your competitor gets a perfect score. > 1621857170 551948 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh that's a guy with [Category: 2021] > 1621857189 451916 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83300&oldid=83299 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+334) 10/* Why LOOK? */ > 1621857208 580467 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: The BBC narration during the vote-counting was a bit painful to listen to. > 1621857221 242431 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I won't listen to it then :) > 1621857246 398761 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (if it can even be found... I suppose it can) > 1621857278 333005 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm sure it's in the "iPlayer" (BBC's online thing), though I guess it might be geo-restricted. < 1621857281 297673 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf > 1621857282 867848 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83301&oldid=83300 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+11) 10/* Why LOOK? */ > 1621857290 257741 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Especially the part where "we" (I don't know which country is "we" at this point) got 0 from the public vote as well. < 1621857298 108079 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621857324 20024 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83302&oldid=83301 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+31) 10/* Conditional jumps? */ > 1621857326 620093 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: 0 is an achievement: https://nitter.fdn.fr/ariadneconill/status/1396035169828675585#m > 1621857407 460661 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I watched the bad-bitrate iPlayer stream because I keep forgetting the cheap DVB stick I have for RTL-SDR reasons can actually do it's nominal job too. > 1621857418 131237 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not sure if the subjective quality of DVB-T is any better though. > 1621857427 402621 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that website makes an awful google translate job > 1621857455 188938 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83303&oldid=83302 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+13) 10/* Conditional jumps? */ > 1621857474 408237 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: huh? > 1621857485 659737 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83304&oldid=83303 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+1) 10/* What can we do with this? */ > 1621857493 712103 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e it detects my location and writes in Russian > 1621857512 312959 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the mail-tester.com > 1621857516 577017 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83305&oldid=83304 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-72) 10/* What can we do with this? */ < 1621857517 535885 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621857521 546968 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: ah, nasty. it's english for me... maybe it's parsing the HTTP language preferences? < 1621857553 301443 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit > 1621857558 693910 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (if it was geo location based, it would be german for me) < 1621857568 121886 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621857588 974912 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe browser language, yeah > 1621857592 176957 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it would also be in contradiction to what nitter is supposed to be... non-JS, non-tracking. > 1621857625 47830 PRIVMSG #esoteric : locale is in my request headers > 1621857678 483432 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: you can replace the nitter.fdn.fr by twitter.com > 1621857736 142025 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean the https://www.mail-tester.com/test-kxlo1dgf7 link > 1621857786 427738 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nitter is in eng for me < 1621857881 257465 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf > 1621857888 723013 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: Oh. Hmm. But that was in english too when I tried. < 1621857895 70761 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621857902 17726 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But I withdraw the rest of the remarks then > 1621857908 206639 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ..D > 1621857972 793884 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I did manage to get a 0.7 score on first try though... HELO mail didn't work out well: no reverse DNS, and failed SPF check, both worth -4 points each. > 1621857982 85113 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Accept-Language: ru,en-US;q=0.9,en;q=0.8,uk;q=0.7 < 1621858006 702591 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00600e9c7b9cb3f4b5.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric > 1621858020 251722 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Then -1 for not doing DKIM, and -0.3 because my test mail looked a bit like spam. Fun :) > 1621858037 616842 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83306&oldid=83305 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+93) 10 > 1621858072 251976 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they are doing a clever thing > 1621858100 903842 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they make you send an email to the address that they associate with your browser cookies/fingerprint > 1621858111 496570 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, I know > 1621858113 289430 PRIVMSG #esoteric : basically deanon < 1621858152 554181 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621858170 42403 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621858184 695131 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I should send one of those esolangs.org wiki password recovery emails there, I'm sure it'd score quite badly too. < 1621858185 68919 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621858202 225094 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621858221 559420 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: (my) cookies are ephemeral at least :P > 1621858274 471963 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and the field is empty if you curl > 1621858284 300403 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but mostly... I'm not really expecting all that much privacy from browsing the web. > 1621858303 728783 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: yes, they had all opportunities for fingerprinting the browser that they need > 1621858309 217455 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION shrugs > 1621858331 407404 PRIVMSG #esoteric : after the third test, they ask for payment, so there's some hope that *that* is their primary business model > 1621858354 700653 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (it's rate limited, 3 free tests per day) > 1621858365 23574 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my ISP recently mailed everyone with a link to a service to "test your password" > 1621858380 709271 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83307&oldid=83306 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-13) 10 > 1621858385 750425 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83308&oldid=83307 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-34) 10 > 1621858389 884799 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ugh, was that genuine or spam? > 1621858403 947678 PRIVMSG #esoteric : . o O ( I test my password every time I log in! ) > 1621858415 447873 PRIVMSG #esoteric : idk, some another website that "check if your password is leaked" > 1621858452 323059 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83309&oldid=83308 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+72) 10/* Implementation */ > 1621858460 559523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83310&oldid=83309 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+1) 10/* External resources */ > 1621858473 882032 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > 48/60 -- 80% is quite impressive > 1621858475 336852 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.8 > 1621858506 320275 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I live in a totally new building where there is only one monopolist ISP so they are free to have higher internet price and send absolute trash emails < 1621858512 202949 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1621858537 616484 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (users here vs. users there, so take that % with a lot of salt) > 1621858579 410586 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83311&oldid=83310 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+42) 10/* External resources */ > 1621858593 230173 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fun :-/ > 1621858639 663221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83312&oldid=83311 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-96) 10/* External resources */ > 1621858647 772086 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83313&oldid=83312 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-2) 10/* External resources */ > 1621858661 403744 PRIVMSG #esoteric : usual 100 mbit/s internet in Moscow costs $6, here it's almost $8 > 1621858798 904508 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and sometimes it routes weirdly, like there were several months of connecting to Finland game servers via France resulting in 3 times higher ping > 1621858828 129865 PRIVMSG #esoteric : support said "we can't do anything about this, the internet is magic beyond our responsibilities" < 1621860002 166832 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621860112 958046 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83314&oldid=83313 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-54) 10/* Why LOOK? */ > 1621860793 261804 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83315&oldid=83314 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+2) 10 < 1621862285 373049 :hendursa1!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1621862330 842549 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric < 1621862382 220356 :Deewiant!~deewiant@de1.ut.deewiant.iki.fi PART #esoteric :"I guess that with the bridge bots set up there's no need to be on both channels and all the discussion seems to be on libera now." > 1621862449 973470 PRIVMSG #esoteric : As all the discussion is here now perhaps the /topic on freenode should be updated to point thisaway? > 1621862522 629005 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deewiant: the admins over there literally made that against the rules > 1621862531 695655 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so best we can do is prod people over the bridge > 1621862553 75990 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ah, wonderful > 1621863100 217245 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, I read about that ##hntop thing. > 1621863167 20792 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't know if I'd describe it as "against the rules", the ("draft") policy just says approximately that channels "that have moved" can be claimed by anyone. > 1621863209 422157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'd maybe still be a bit wary about putting something in topic specifically, maybe that's how they look for victims. > 1621863271 953310 PRIVMSG #esoteric : We could make it official on the wiki, I was kind of considering doing that once our proper community registration goes through. (Still no reply, but I imagine there's quite a queue. Our ticket number is in the 500-600 range.) > 1621863578 943241 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, rules... > 1621863638 992090 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think we should add a reference to the topic anyway; if Freenode takes over the channel for that so be it. > 1621863646 323064 PRIVMSG #esoteric : We had ticket #44 and it took quite a while > 1621863671 682985 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: why risk fragmenting the community like that. They’d likely kickban the bridge bot too > 1621863681 496411 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, I guess it's also against the rules ("inappropriate advertising") to have "unused channels for the purpose of polluting the channel list results". > 1621863689 872784 PRIVMSG #esoteric : because the bridge will stop being useful > 1621863762 645912 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (a bit too early for ignores, but I will do that eventually. > 1621863977 531874 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: Honestly that one is a bit more understandable. The rule lawyer in me suggests +s > 1621864207 980263 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cythan14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83316 5* 03Cypooos 5* (+6373) 10Created the page > 1621864263 795874 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder how many people have found the channel by listing, anyway. Probably not a huge fraction. < 1621864279 647866 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1621864660 915249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have a feel that "random read and push" is less powerful than "random write and pop" > 1621864847 377958 PRIVMSG #esoteric : without random write once the task becomes complex enough (involves several variables) it makes RASEL stack grow infinitely, like the Fibonacci[n] case does in my example > 1621864899 353069 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or am I missing some solution < 1621864938 398944 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00600e9c7b9cb3f4b5.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621865074 437542 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00748adb5f495a5186.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1621865171 401398 :dionys!dionys@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ynghsbdhdywsijfq PART :#esoteric > 1621865753 622585 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cythan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83317&oldid=83316 5* 03Cypooos 5* (+155) 10Correcting some mistakes > 1621865798 819154 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or should I finally stop resisting and add random write to RASEL > 1621865854 560641 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: I don't recall whether it was one of the (now defunct) mailing lists, or a discussion elsewhere on IRC... > 1621865861 448226 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but probably not the wiki > 1621866187 874507 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I could make the "reverse N top elements on stack" command that can be used as both random read and write > 1621866194 701625 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and I feel like I saw some language with it > 1621866314 18671 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: Piet has something a bit like that > 1621866368 427741 PRIVMSG #esoteric : actually wiki search re veal a plenty of such < 1621866378 145552 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1621866505 136769 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cythan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83318&oldid=83317 5* 03Cypooos 5* (+168) 10Added the Categories > 1621866628 860030 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmmm maybe the assumption that "reverse N top elements" can be used for random read and write was too fast > 1621866651 646559 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " We could make it official on the wiki" => if you do that, also switch over what the logs default to on your logs web interface, because I feel like that's part of what makes it official > 1621866680 344922 PRIVMSG #esoteric : once you do the reverse you lose the access to all the top values that you were working with > 1621866815 269351 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: queue a couple of days ago was 220 project registrations in the backlog https://twitter.com/liberachat/status/1396029243101007873 > 1621867089 897163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BALAE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83319&oldid=82560 5* 03WallGraffiti 5* (+505) 10Added examples + corrected descriptions of "{" and "}" operators. > 1621867108 954057 PRIVMSG #esoteric : okay, I imagine the read(N) now: reverse(N), dup, reverse(N+1), reverse(N-1), reverse(N) -- 5 operations, can it be shorter? > 1621867155 127201 PRIVMSG #esoteric : eventually we will have to speed up redirecting everyone by just making the freenode channel invite only and kicking everyone, but for now it probalby helps more if people see a bridge > 1621867169 718973 PRIVMSG #esoteric : not everyone is on irc every day, there are new people who won't have heard of the freenode drama for years > 1621867370 989694 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cythan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83320&oldid=83318 5* 03Cypooos 5* (+2) 10Correcting mistakes > 1621867417 224553 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The new logs web interface -- https://logs.esolangs.org/ -- doesn't really default to either. I was going to make https://esolangs.org/logs/... URLs to forward to the freenode logs to keep old permalinks working, but the plain /logs/ path with no file specified I could point arbitrarily. > 1621867429 694456 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cythan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83321&oldid=83320 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-8) 10/* Resources */ Fix link > 1621867430 587830 PRIVMSG #esoteric : This would also be probably the best chance to change the permalink syntax not require anchor names to be case-sensitive, if we want to. IIRC, the spec says they *are* case-sensitive, but (pre-Edge?) IE didn't treat them as such, so `#la` was the same as `#lA`. But maybe that's no longer so relevant. > 1621867455 722555 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Base 62 is a little more compact than base 36 would be. > 1621867674 288829 PRIVMSG #esoteric : now write(N,top): rotate(N), rotate(N+1), swap, pop, rotate(N) -- 5 operations too > 1621867684 746800 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and N should be static in both cases > 1621867690 359509 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83322&oldid=83315 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+291) 10 > 1621867700 549725 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (that's the limitation I don't like) > 1621867720 712475 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, https://logs.esolangs.org/ is the new interface? ok > 1621867736 542420 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait, odd number of rotations, heh, missed something > 1621867786 867950 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: pre-edge IE is dying out though, isn't it? > 1621867802 472562 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cythan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83323&oldid=83321 5* 03Cypooos 5* (+0) 10Correcting some mistakes > 1621867854 215580 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: there doesn't seem to be an easy link from https://esolangs.org/logs/all.html back to the top or to the other channel's logs > 1621867906 68738 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Re pre-Edge IE, probably. I feel like oerjan's the only one who ever noticed those links didn't work on some browser. < 1621867930 688900 :contrapumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin > 1621867995 330865 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: write is only 3 steps, rotate(N+1), pop, rotate(N-1) > 1621867997 35895 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've not made any changes to the version running at /logs/ so it won't know the other channel exists. As for getting back to the top, yeah; though logs/ is the same page as logs/YYYY.html of the current year, so clicking on the year gives you the same view. > 1621868032 395865 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the new thing, I can do some changes to integrate them a little better. Haven't yet, though. < 1621868097 177146 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621868153 539852 PRIVMSG #esoteric : What I *have* changed so far is to put the top announcement and the bottom about text into the configuration file rather than a `constexpr char[]` variable, so I can change them without recompiling. ;) > 1621868176 227972 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (And of course the ability to serve from more than one root.) > 1621868179 167688 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e true < 1621868352 494104 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621868370 299468 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621868738 366111 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83324&oldid=83322 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+3) 10/* How do you know this is Turing-complete? */ > 1621868762 940628 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so the bad thing is that N has too be static or you'll lose it immediately on the first rotate, so I'm now thinking about another operation instead -- swap(N) that swaps the top element with the Nth one > 1621868817 372022 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the write(N) then is trivial, but read(N) is complex and as far as I can imagine relies on write(N) > 1621869092 217640 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so assuming the stack is [... 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, X, N] to put the X to Nth position under it would be the: swapn, pop > 1621869142 106632 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83325&oldid=83324 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+59) 10 > 1621869160 166211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83326&oldid=83325 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+1) 10/* How do you know this is Turing-complete? (WIP as apparently it needs to be the EXTENDED conjecture) */ > 1621869269 287480 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: also that explains why someone mentioned wikia and their tactic of "no, you can't edit the nethack.wikia.org front page to say that https://nethackwiki.com/ is a more up to date more actively maintained fork of the wiki < 1621869281 434630 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf > 1621869295 672656 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey, it looks like https://nethack.wikia.org/ is deleted! what happened? < 1621869296 445335 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621869366 311902 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean it would actually started to have become useful right now, when a lot of nostalgic folks might think that Nethack 3.4.3 is the one true canonical version and perhaps not every page on the wiki should be updated to reflect the 3.6 branch changes because now it's harder to find reliable info about 3.4.3 > 1621869393 612488 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though perhaps that nostalgic target audience wouldn't go to wikia anyway > 1621869505 323711 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I should actually learn to play NetHack one day > 1621869526 307843 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've tried a few times but I've not been patient enough to do any well at it > 1621869546 569612 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83327&oldid=83326 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-140) 10 < 1621869552 502977 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621869567 78260 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric > 1621869608 55794 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: there were some IRC channels on freenode that could help you in that > 1621869644 972505 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: sadly I am no longer on Freenode > 1621869656 550117 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps there may be some IRC channels elsewhere soon > 1621869682 718448 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: yes, and I don't know where those IRC chnanels are right now, and they might not know yet too > 1621869706 522535 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but there will probably still be an IRC presence in the long term > 1621869708 828924 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's a note at the top of https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Freenode that may provide a hint < 1621869850 911871 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :Quit: brb > 1621869873 823286 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think I'll give NetHack another go this evening > 1621869917 6687 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've been hanging around on the #nethack channel (formerly on freenode, now here), but I don't know if there's usually that much learning going on in there. > 1621869926 989963 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Which isn't to say you wouldn't get answers if you asked a question. > 1621869980 376722 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I use it mostly to watch Rodney's announcements of games on NAO every now and then, because sometimes the deaths can be quite amusing. < 1621869981 235680 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric > 1621870026 593377 PRIVMSG #esoteric : now if it's [... 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, N] to read the Nth position under it would be: dup, dup, dup, 2, +, swapn, dup, 3, swapn, swap, 1, +, swapn, pop > 1621870027 613645 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "killed by a wolf, while taking off clothes" and so on. > 1621870057 307190 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol, 14 operations to for random write with this swapn operator > 1621870060 432918 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: some of it has moved to other channels... let me look up the name > 1621870076 430843 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean for random read > 1621870082 488755 PRIVMSG #esoteric : freenode/#hardfought > 1621870101 808556 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also some of the learning is concentrated in the two months with big nethack competitions > 1621870105 896316 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (online obviously) > 1621870141 44562 PRIVMSG #esoteric : why nethack if there is dcss > 1621870194 166422 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: I'd recommend adding a primitive that pops an index, then swaps the top of stack with an element deep in the stack with that index. that's probably the easiest and simplest thing you can add that guarantees to solve both the random access problem and the problem that you don't have extra registers and can't easily permute the top of stack > 1621870211 138841 PRIVMSG #esoteric : If your name is Jack, and one of your hobbies is listening to music, and you usually do it with headphones, would you consider "Headphone Jack" as a nickname? These are the kind of things I think about when plugging in headphones for a meeting. > 1621870231 142001 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Who's that? Oh, that's Headphone Jack." > 1621870244 83555 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas that's exactly the swapn I was using just now > 1621870290 918249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and it resulted in 2 operations for random write and somehow the whole 14 for random read > 1621870325 609786 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: ah good > 1621870374 631063 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: if you want to make the code shorter, I'd just add a handful of named registers with load and store instructions > 1621870380 918420 PRIVMSG #esoteric : one-byte ones of course > 1621870403 289893 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though you may also have a point about no easy way to write numbers larger than 9 or 15 or whatever it is > 1621870411 781419 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if that turns out to be a problem, add an instruction for that > 1621870432 358486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : adding registers has the problem that there is no defined amount of how many registers you need > 1621870439 250627 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or, I dunno, why do I care about rasel anyway? I don't have any reason > 1621870450 66042 PRIVMSG #esoteric : adding two will solve "half" of problems, then you'll need 3 for another 1/4, etc, > 1621870462 275531 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: seven registers. it's seven. > 1621870477 561480 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so 14 instructions for them > 1621870538 377530 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that would be dc > 1621871144 285463 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think that'll be it; deprecating random read 'a', introducing random top-swap 's'; with static N it would be not 14 operations but just a few: 0, N, swapn, dup, N+1, swapn, pop > 1621871340 468283 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the swapn of evil > 1621871341 865250 PRIVMSG #esoteric : then the fibonacci will no longer be memory-leaking < 1621871453 462674 :ArthurSt1ong!~ArthurStr@46-133-85-8.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN :#esoteric > 1621871513 20566 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I could even then deprecate '\' in favor of '0s' < 1621871525 183343 :ArthurStrong!~ArthurStr@178-133-224-103.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1621871560 990249 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or just redefine the '\' to also always pop a N < 1621871883 956196 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621871916 880723 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hehe "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_(sports)#Ice_hockey" "The NHL no longer permits the use of 0 or 00 as the League's database cannot list players with such numbers" > 1621871983 71393 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas why care -- because its specification is shorter than befunge while more full, and it's installable with one command ) < 1621872068 983620 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621872086 283615 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar JOIN :#esoteric > 1621872396 987209 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: you really should add a link from to the other channel, it would be a helpful way to advertise the move to people > 1621872444 458623 PRIVMSG #esoteric : especially since the policies on the old network might cause a problem with the bridge: you probably have to advertise that there's a bridge to a public place the same as you advertise that you have a public log, but you might not be able to do that without advertising the move > 1621872691 599891 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah. Well, I hope I'll get the stalker/lurker/stream mode fixed in a day or two, at which point I'll have the previous single-channel URL redirect to the new multi-channel one, and can also add some links to the latter. > 1621872761 806667 PRIVMSG #esoteric : thanks > 1621872887 515560 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[074BOD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83328&oldid=83232 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+91) 10Added Categories < 1621873481 278408 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: metcalf < 1621873498 186538 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621873752 514453 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1621873770 86989 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621873844 289157 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621874271 307308 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we'll also have to summon kspalaiologos because they might want to modify their logbot, and I don't even know who makes the tunes.org logs > 1621875227 922408 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Alpha2 5* 10New user account > 1621875380 15634 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83329&oldid=83254 5* 03Alpha2 5* (+228) 10 > 1621875638 608092 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wrote my first Whitespace program today > 1621875647 963231 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's hard to find an editor that doesn't clobber things > 1621875792 936710 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's at least one Vim thing to syntax-highlgiht Whitespace, I assume it would also tweak the other settings correctly. < 1621876121 302642 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a00748adb5f495a5186.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621876990 879430 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03RanibowSprimkle64 5* 10New user account < 1621877231 792519 :op_4!~tslil@2a01:4f8:c0c:7952::1 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.7.2+deb3 - https://znc.in < 1621877348 92973 :maximum_yellow!~tslil@2a01:4f8:c0c:7952::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621877398 620328 :maximum_yellow!~tslil@2a01:4f8:c0c:7952::1 NICK :op_4 > 1621877422 272754 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83330&oldid=83329 5* 03RanibowSprimkle64 5* (+305) 10 < 1621877971 328493 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621878315 220503 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a0075a9eff8384f2ac2.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric > 1621878948 595223 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[074BOD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83331&oldid=83328 5* 03Tux1 5* (+83) 10 > 1621879231 748103 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tux1 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:4bod example.png10]]": An example of a program written for the 4BOD fantasy console. This program draws a 2x2 square in the middle of the screen. > 1621879500 266458 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[074BOD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83333&oldid=83331 5* 03Tux1 5* (+32) 10added image > 1621879878 945922 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so what's the policy about channel squatting? I wanna squat a company channel that is big enough on freenode but they are just idling and not coming here yet < 1621880021 144818 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621880079 573069 PRIVMSG #esoteric : For now I don't think there's any problem unless another claim for the same channel comes along. In the medium term, this whole #/## business will probably need sorting out :/ > 1621880095 614064 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah ok, "... a channel belonging to a project you are _authorized to represent_", nvm then > 1621880110 689999 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the "chanserv help claim" > 1621880123 863394 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: Two sigils and three separate namespaces is kind of an odd combination. :) > 1621880155 891092 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hah > 1621880181 409992 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Let's see the linux developers (linux project) get into a fight with the linux users (community) over #linux > 1621880190 994893 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot: popcorn? > 1621880191 146649 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: let me try to be brief. that being so, i am very surprised to see the light. > 1621880200 868358 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that was surprisingly brief > 1621880202 601237 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^stule > 1621880210 548186 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^style > 1621880210 626346 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl* ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube > 1621880241 783243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the channel I want is #gcloud -- it's the same dead as their thousands users large Slack team > 1621880306 747891 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: also it has to be on topic, which basically means related to a free software project < 1621880332 246354 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1621880337 277443 PRIVMSG #esoteric : their SDK are free software I guess > 1621880350 959590 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also "projects/companies of general interest to our user base", which might cover technologies like that. > 1621880359 109535 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: no way. linux developers don't use IRC. they communicate only by emailed formatted patches. > 1621880365 451310 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:RanibowSprimkle6414]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83334 5* 03RanibowSprimkle64 5* (+792) 10Created page with "This is the description of my first programming language, if it isn't formatted well or more information is needed, let me know, I don't know how to forum at all, really... L..." > 1621880399 919102 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: there goes my entertainment for the evening > 1621880498 621389 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we can generate a fake mailing list website from this channel log > 1621880518 741620 PRIVMSG #esoteric : using nickname mentions to follow the threads, etc. > 1621880562 908350 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and every message will become a cached page in webarchive < 1621880639 361780 :metcalf!~metcalf@host86-162-94-150.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1621881110 631515 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[074BOD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83335&oldid=83333 5* 03Tux1 5* (+38) 10 < 1621881879 267928 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621881902 81411 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi > 1621882091 151947 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Cythan14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83336&oldid=83323 5* 03Cypooos 5* (+13) 10Correcting generality difference between the mathematical definition and the implementation < 1621882157 251084 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1621882426 147184 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621882597 513675 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621884167 191983 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there alternatives to Language Server Protocol? < 1621884220 639602 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621884839 136742 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621884857 286458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like clangd predated LSP and had a (C-specific) protocol of its own in the past, but (a) I may be wrong about that, and (b) in any case it no longer does. < 1621884899 340795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google's Kythe project has a protocol that I think is in somewhat in the same space, but not quite the same thing. < 1621884918 768963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are the only two things that come to mind; I don't know of anything that'd have the same goals as LSP. < 1621885172 894850 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621885705 426811 :LKoen!~LKoen@2a01cb0407597a0075a9eff8384f2ac2.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.” > 1621886993 394625 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Algj 5* 10New user account < 1621887708 994629 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621887746 108688 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621890225 434435 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Capuirequiem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83337&oldid=65570 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+373) 10Amended some orthographic mistakes and reformulated a few parts. > 1621890278 347865 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Hyperdawg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83338&oldid=83236 5* 03Hyperdawg 5* (+46) 10 < 1621890618 374347 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't know if LSP has the way to specify the character encoding of the source file; I could not find any when looking at the documentation. < 1621890703 644169 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621890754 603834 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it may assume UTF-9 > 1621890756 895320 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *UTF-8 > 1621890763 263978 PRIVMSG #esoteric : which makes sense 99.99% of the time tbf < 1621890925 397172 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621890948 935531 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approximately, yes, but sometimes it is different, and this may be specified inside of the file itself. (Although ASCII is very common, and UTF-8 is a superset of ASCII, so this will usually work both for ASCII and for UTF-8. It is also necessary to ensure that the byte order mark is omitted if the program doesn't expect it) > 1621890969 710623 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no no, it's always the national characterset of the region where the game is commercially sold, the only one that's in the character ROM of the console where it's played. how could it be anything else? then you'd need some sort of translation layer from the text to what you can actually display. < 1621891208 234477 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it may be. However, in those cases, I would expect hopefully some way to detect it, either in the file itself or in something external. (For text files, this may be either a comment or some directive; for binary files the region code might be specified in the header, perhaps, if executing it depends on the region code. For NES/Famicom there is no console character ROM, but for other computers it may be.) > 1621891349 130 PRIVMSG #esoteric : detect? no, you don't detect it. if you put it into the console in the wrong region, some characters will show up as nonsense, which doesn't matter because the player couldn't read foreign language anyway. at worst some of the corner line drawing characters would show up silly too. and if it's a very different region, it won't even work because of NTSC versus PAL or different shape of the cartridge > 1621891355 253940 PRIVMSG #esoteric : interface. < 1621891392 418152 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NES/Famicom does have region coding, but for emulation it is generally sufficient to distinguish between NTSC and PAL. For actual cartridges, the cartridge itself is physically different between NES and Famicom; the NES cartridge doesn't have expansion audio.) > 1621891598 472729 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and the japanese NES has some games on floppy instead of a cart, so that's a third incompatible format, even if they're both NTSC < 1621891623 233028 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, NES/Famicom doesn't have any ROM inside the console, so the character encoding is not a problem here. > 1621891747 95110 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, it worked the same way then as now: they make the console cheapest as possible, even if that means they have to duplicate character ROM, RAM expansion, and sometimes even more stuff in each cartridge > 1621891757 412997 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok, not quite > 1621891762 625761 PRIVMSG #esoteric : back then they actually made the hardware cheap > 1621891780 562564 PRIVMSG #esoteric : now they're just selling it cheap and selling the games expensive, it's not that the games come on carts with expensive extra hardware < 1621891814 447780 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is the Famicom Disk System. However, that uses a special cartridge. (I have never seen any emulator though that allows you to load multiple BIOS images and to load another disk image file without resetting) > 1621891872 977547 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: surely emulators on home PC consoles like the Commodore 64, which have built-in ROM and expansion cards, support that < 1621891995 662759 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :b_jonas: Yes, but I mean NES/Famicom emulators specifically > 1621892045 397085 PRIVMSG #esoteric : do they emulate crazy cartridge swapping realtime speedruns, or speedruns where people put their console on a hot plate or cause deliberate hardware errors in other ways? :-) > 1621892058 890405 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean the NES probably isn't the most common console for that < 1621892118 416251 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some stuff in the cartridge can also be used to customize the hardware for different games, which is sometimes helpful. The small amount of RAM in the console is not usually an advantage, although I have designed a mapper to take advantage of the RAM mirroring in order to improve bankswitching speed; this is a kind of simpler way than implementing read-back in the cartridge < 1621892276 598656 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example, if $1000-$1FFF, $3000-$3FFF, $5000-$5FFF, and $7000-$7FFF are all mapped to the bank switching register, then you can write to $1050 and it bankswitches, later write to $1051 for another bank, and later, read $1050 to switch the bank back to the first one (no need to write). This requires less logic in the cartridge, too.) < 1621892409 150747 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also read/write the same memory at $0050 and $0051, without causing the bank switching. In this case, you might, for example, save the data for switching the bank later, or read it back without switching.) < 1621894126 193851 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid PART #esoteric :"llf" > 1621894834 905370 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? towel > 1621894836 109898 PRIVMSG #esoteric : towel? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1621895240 660858 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1621895743 154067 PRIVMSG #esoteric : A hopefully quick blip in the bot situation. < 1621895758 29662 :esowiki!~esowiki@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/esowiki JOIN :#esoteric > 1621896086 25913 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's quite a house of cards. < 1621896357 603579 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621897866 885847 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621898157 887401 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621898188 728635 :V!~v@anomalous.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1621898268 41670 :V!~v@anomalous.eu JOIN :#esoteric > 1621899083 519149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Point14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83339&oldid=74588 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (-17) 10 > 1621899344 306174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Point14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83340&oldid=83339 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (+3) 10/* In-depth */ > 1621899409 239528 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Point14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83341&oldid=83340 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (+1) 10/* Countdown */ > 1621899525 680280 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Point14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83342&oldid=83341 5* 03Unlimiter 5* (-77) 10 > 1621900826 108517 PRIVMSG #esoteric : And one more time, because the most recent multi-network refactoring broke the Prometheus metrics due to a lack of labels. < 1621900841 31548 :esowiki!~esowiki@unaffiliated/fizzie/bot/esowiki JOIN :#esoteric < 1621901032 307520 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621901338 121254 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds > 1621901773 760793 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jdonszelmann 5* 10New user account > 1621902012 645128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83343&oldid=83330 5* 03Jdonszelmann 5* (+246) 10/* Introductions */ < 1621902947 229408 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621903126 564668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to the multinational league for esoteric programming proliferation, protection, and protestation! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://logs.esolangs.org/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D https://github.com/kspalaiologos/esologs/ < 1621903140 920449 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621903166 215652 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621903304 484838 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Whopper14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83344&oldid=83235 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+13) 10/* Commands */ Lt get < 1621903432 143847 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1621903633 498129 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1621903847 771564 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621904111 780040 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621904712 415836 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem QUIT :*.net *.split < 1621904712 544796 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1621904712 629701 :ArthurSt1ong!~ArthurStr@46-133-85-8.mobile.vf-ua.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1621905319 412213 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621905319 547104 :ArthurSt1ong!~ArthurStr@46-133-85-8.mobile.vf-ua.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1621905319 547139 :sprock!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem JOIN :#esoteric < 1621909951 628416 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621910002 885297 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1621910206 797733 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621910467 770512 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621910761 776351 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621911227 770531 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621911496 779855 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621912786 405142 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621912885 903354 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621912891 582795 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@unaffiliated/lord-of-life/x-0885362 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1621913122 940968 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1621913213 792918 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1621914025 217517 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621914288 146121 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1621914916 189989 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621915186 80625 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1621916326 649369 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621916493 896539 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 JOIN :#esoteric > 1621918393 882333 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow, freenode #esoteric is smaller than this channel right now > 1621918399 741778 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (56 vs. 58) > 1621918446 846452 PRIVMSG #esoteric : advertisement:Advertisement starts: have you heard about this hip and froopy 'net place called #esoteric? It is on freenode. Brought to you by The Board of Timeskewed Advertiesements. \ e:e is a freenode admin. e is not known to be an Agora player. \ freenode:The Realm of Freenode is our homeland. The Chännel dwells in it since... Uhm... Quite a few years ago? > 1621919318 905827 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? libera > 1621919320 333407 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Libera is the land of the future. Maybe. > 1621919373 944720 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `slwd libnera//s/[^ ]*$/Probably./ > 1621919374 804780 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Roswbud! > 1621919379 550481 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `slwd libera//s/[^ ]*$/Probably./ > 1621919383 728459 PRIVMSG #esoteric : libera//Libera is the land of the future. Probably. < 1621919941 900182 :delta23!~deltaepsi@unaffiliated/deltaepsilon23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1621920389 159061 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't (yet) know what should be the syntax for meta-CSS. > 1621920955 463952 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83345&oldid=83327 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+0) 10/* MATH variable input order explanation */ > 1621920970 386640 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83346&oldid=83345 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-8) 10/* Commands */ < 1621921439 227169 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621921735 238314 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1621921943 804460 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83347&oldid=83346 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-47) 10/* Quirks */ > 1621922317 882517 PRIVMSG #esoteric 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QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1621922771 888989 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@unaffiliated/sprocklem NICK :sprock > 1621922776 121560 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83353&oldid=83352 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-22) 10/* MATH variable input order explanation */ < 1621923337 517590 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1621923603 725404 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` for k in Church Turing turning pi circle esoteric monad group future logic ; do ? $k|cut -f1,2,$((${#k}*3/2)) -d' ' ;done > 1621923626 216530 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Church invented Turing \ Turing is Tur. \ Turning is because \ pi is a \ A circle \ This channel esoterica, \ Monads are category \ Groups are property \ We know \ Logic is true < 1621924664 657569 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1621924869 678511 :xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1621924906 678883 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1621925069 322119 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Cythan14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83354 5* 03Ais523 5* (+677) 10I don't think this is TC < 1621925104 346356 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric > 1621925211 563793 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02DotSnap10]]": Author request: blanked by author < 1621925374 335865 :tromp!~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1621925468 913158 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83355&oldid=83353 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+93) 10/* Quirks */ > 1621925479 389912 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83356&oldid=83355 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+9) 10/* Quirks */ > 1621925535 237402 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 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:Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1621930210 185012 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-igxzyvzntsriyqsg JOIN :#esoteric < 1621930483 792529 :hendursaga!~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga JOIN :#esoteric > 1621930491 821748 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Clockwise14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83388&oldid=83004 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+4) 10/* Cat Program */ < 1621930560 204469 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-igxzyvzntsriyqsg QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1621930580 816839 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jxirtllqaejvorik QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1621930770 897156 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mdywjrmelrzpszem JOIN :#esoteric > 1621930792 926630 PRIVMSG #esoteric : now \rasel is v1, `rasel will remain v0 < 1621930813 153589 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tvbgkoilnxnhjupg JOIN :#esoteric > 1621931095 800508 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:3x14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83389 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+691) 10Created page with "== Multiplication == I'm pretty sure the multiplication program is incorrect. Below is the corrected version:
 ??#333x#v333x^#3#v3333x3x3333x3x3^x(3#v3333x3x3333x3x3^x#33..."
> 1621931169 388987 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is there any recommended list of infobox proglang items?
> 1621931236 280731 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or how to see its internals, I see that it replaces "year" with "Appeared at", etc., so there is its code somewhere that I would like to look at
> 1621931239 119414 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[073x14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83390&oldid=81228 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+102) 10
> 1621931245 698169 PRIVMSG #esoteric : have no clue in infoboxes
> 1621931259 678713 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[073x14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83391&oldid=83390 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-2) 10
> 1621931308 917058 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok found it https://esolangs.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_proglang
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> 1621931474 288699 PRIVMSG #esoteric : would be nice to also have a field "last version year"
> 1621932411 794292 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83393&oldid=83387 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (-10) 10/* Extended commands */
> 1621932449 421561 PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw, the Libera channel can be announced in /r/esolangs
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> 1621933710 983303 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83398&oldid=83397 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+196) 10/* CALL */
> 1621933791 807941 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83399&oldid=83398 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+0) 10/* CALL */
> 1621933810 382050 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83400&oldid=83399 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+120) 10/* Quirks */
> 1621934335 27801 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Re "last version year", while it would be nice to *have* one, and I'm not arguing against one, it feels like one of those things that would get easily stale. Also a little ambiguous for something with multiple implementations.
> 1621934355 475048 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Though it's probably true that most languages stop getting developed the same year the articles about them get written, and don't have more than one (or zero) implementations, so it'd still be mostly correct.
> 1621934405 910580 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ambiguous for something with multiple implementations" -- ttrue
> 1621934450 474095 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but let it be a year of specification, not implementation
> 1621934786 648771 PRIVMSG #esoteric : interesting stats https://projecteuler.net/languages
> 1621934851 700697 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there are 4 guys who classified themselves as befungers https://projecteuler.net/language=Befunge though it's not necessary they mostly used it to solve 
> 1621934881 896456 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I get redirected to the /about page from those links. (Maybe it needs sign-in.)
> 1621934974 499199 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Looking at ~/src/attic/euler, looks like I never did any of them in Befunge, I just did the first 100 in Python and forgot about it.)
> 1621935161 686523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ewww
> 1621935196 606946 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://i.imgur.com/RoMACey.png
> 1621935232 965597 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I should get back into solving them in Agda
> 1621935249 441377 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sadly that's not a listed language category... I wonder if there's a way to request it?
> 1621935318 776505 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my projecteuler folder is empty _OO
> 1621935797 594765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh I guess they had some database problem few years ago; and probably this is why they say on Problem 1: "Completed a long, long time ago." and the whole list looks like this: https://dpaste.org/ReMy/slim
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> 1621946121 859605 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so since RASEL does not allow program space modification unlike Befunge it becomes possible to estimate all the program flows
> 1621946175 846287 PRIVMSG #esoteric : only "j" with no leading static value means the unpredictable branching
> 1621946254 430210 PRIVMSG #esoteric : still even with this branching it's possible to know all the possible paths through the program space and makes some things possible -- I imagine the automatic one-lining
> 1621946434 775685 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh and "\" is unpredictable now too (
< 1621946456 365597 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esoteric
> 1621946465 502503 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (forget the last line)
> 1621946496 832894 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[074BOD14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83401&oldid=83385 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (-68) 10I forgot I did cls(0110)
> 1621947106 142361 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh yeash
> 1621947114 805395 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how did that bot work?
> 1621947117 723859 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \help
> 1621947117 853173 PRIVMSG #esoteric : available commands: rasel; usage help: \help 
> 1621947122 207459 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \echo ldjk
< 1621947188 580591 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-007-125-001.178.007.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1
> 1621947451 605131 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there should be a term "language encoding" that would mean all those brainfucks that are just using another alphabet and sometimes a word instead of a char
> 1621947488 451317 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the language encoding isn't much a language
< 1621947497 742821 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
> 1621947708 144518 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel 3
> 1621947730 536888 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel 4.
> 1621947798 90495 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel "!dlroW ,olleH">:?@,Gj
> 1621947802 286667 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "Hello, World!", exit code: 0
> 1621947810 843428 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm
> 1621947873 174353 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel A.
> 1621947893 477681 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: how is this supposed to work?
> 1621947961 856674 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel Z0Z--,
> 1621947983 389042 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel ZZ0--,
> 1621947987 468392 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel -ZZ--,
> 1621947999 102179 PRIVMSG #esoteric : does it only interpret hello world executables?
> 1621948027 676615 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel 4.4.4.4.4.4.
> 1621948074 656989 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel 5.0\@
> 1621948076 497523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel 5.0@
> 1621948095 956404 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah you missed the @ most of the times
> 1621948137 420461 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok, so why doesn't \rasel 5.0@ work?
> 1621948147 82669 PRIVMSG #esoteric : since the timeout is 60s you basically just DDOSed it to the 16:06:34  thread error: # )
> 1621948172 468145 PRIVMSG #esoteric : thet empty program is an infinite loop in rasel? 
> 1621948193 481876 PRIVMSG #esoteric : because I set the limit to 1 concurrent execution, the later are coming into several minutes long queue and I guess you've killed that queue length too lol
> 1621948207 110217 PRIVMSG #esoteric : On the wiki, we do make the distinction between https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Brainfuck_derivatives and https://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Brainfuck_equivalents where the latter is close to your "language encoding".
> 1621948217 324456 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the empty program might not match the bot regex and so won't be executed
> 1621948217 492373 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "This category is for languages which are straightforward alternate syntaxes/encodings for brainfuck, with or without its I/O facilites. Languages which have semantics that differ from brainfuck's, even in small ways, do not belong in this category."
> 1621948236 991782 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (There's probably some gray area there, though.)
> 1621948242 594353 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel 5.@
> 1621948245 801844 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "5 ", exit code: 0
> 1621948253 244434 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah good
> 1621948259 738617 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel Z0Z--,
> 1621948267 843118 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel Z0Z--,0@
> 1621948287 31199 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie oh I see
> 1621948316 797384 PRIVMSG #esoteric : damn I guess the queue size in 1 actually
> 1621948333 218806 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'll increase it a bit
> 1621948352 904677 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but why doesn't the interpreter just terminate or error out when the program counter runs out the boundary?
> 1621948450 124140 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://i.imgur.com/N4BRfja.png I guess this should allow 4 infinite programs per 30 sec
> 1621948473 959914 PRIVMSG #esoteric : takes up to 2 minutes to update
> 1621948484 449048 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: also how do you give a multiline program to this bot?
> 1621948538 465042 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."
> 1621948559 243744 PRIVMSG #esoteric : four infinite loops per 30 seconds, that's so fast!
> 1621948561 627830 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas it's currently PRIVMSGing these error to me before I'm sure nothing will expose if I set it to tell errors right to the channel
> 1621948589 47797 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol
> 1621948610 660063 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel Z0Z--,0@
> 1621948611 790515 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "F", exit code: 0
> 1621948617 110658 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes
> 1621948621 686658 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok, so
> 1621948624 134997 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no multiline for now -- that's why I'm thinking about making the automatic one-lining translator
> 1621948626 736057 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `echo \rasel Z0Z--,0@
> 1621948628 243430 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​\rasel Z0Z--,0@
> 1621948643 593511 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text "\\rasel Z0Z--,0@"
> 1621948644 959197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  \rasel Z0Z--,0@
> 1621948656 628260 PRIVMSG #esoteric : leading space I guess
> 1621948676 980486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, but I had to try
> 1621948713 688906 PRIVMSG #esoteric : theoretically I could make the multiline in the similar way I made the stind
> 1621948716 505101 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *stdin
> 1621948782 13999 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \help rasel
> 1621948782 183060 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel ; \rasel -stdin ; timelimit=60s; https://esolangs.org/wiki/RASEL
> 1621948794 765130 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: @echo hi
> 1621948806 829255 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @echo ho
> 1621948806 882281 PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo; msg:IrcMessage {ircMsgServer = "libera", ircMsgLBName = "lambdabot", ircMsgPrefix = "b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu", ircMsgCommand = "PRIVMSG", ircMsgParams = ["#esolangs",":
> 1621948806 958925 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambdabot: @echo ho"]} target:#esolangs rest:"ho"
> 1621948873 437079 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \reload remote
> 1621948874 607291 PRIVMSG #esoteric : remote execution commands loaded: ["rasel"]
> 1621948877 241005 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \help rasel
> 1621948880 423204 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel ; \rasel -stdin ; don't forget the '@' instruction or it will timeout; timelimit=30s; https://esolangs.org/wiki/RASEL
> 1621948906 663169 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel :Z0Y--,0@
> 1621948907 787875 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "E", exit code: 0
> 1621948929 399235 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel: Y0Y--,0@
> 1621948959 532168 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, this probably won't cause a botloop
> 1621948978 278214 PRIVMSG #esoteric : velik \rasel Y0Y--,0@
> 1621948983 657417 PRIVMSG #esoteric : velik: \rasel X0Y--,0@
> 1621948989 554538 PRIVMSG #esoteric : velik, \rasel X0X--,0@
> 1621949007 266563 PRIVMSG #esoteric :   when /\A\\(\S+) (.+)/
> 1621949007 402792 PRIVMSG #esoteric :     cmd, input = $1, $2
> 1621949036 472615 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh yeah, I know what I should test
> 1621949043 204280 PRIVMSG #esoteric : escaping the output
> 1621949052 237972 PRIVMSG #esoteric : give me a moment
> 1621949084 304907 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I added 500 chars limit today but didn't test it though
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> 1621949326 893748 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also the Ruby's String#inspect is sanitizing funny char values enough to be nicely printed in terminal so I assume it would be enough sanitizing for IRC too
> 1621949341 534237 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel 0"~dlrow ,olleh"       :,"~"-0D-1\?j  0@
> 1621949388 875500 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel 0"~dlrow ,olleh"       :,"}"-0D-1\?j  0@
> 1621949392 42546 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "hello, world~", exit code: 0
> 1621949447 398048 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel 0"~egassem motsuc"       :,"}"-0D-1\?j  0@
> 1621949451 525391 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "custom message~", exit code: 0
> 1621949467 993599 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `olist 1235
> 1621949468 910879 PRIVMSG #esoteric : olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1235.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
> 1621949504 746917 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel 0"~enil rehtona: sgnalose# GSMVIRP"A"enil eno"       :,"}"-0D-1\?j  0@
> 1621949505 871129 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "one line\nPRIVMSG #esolangs :another line~", exit code: 0
> 1621949513 808936 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel 0"~enil rehtona: sgnalose# GSMVIRP"D"enil eno"       :,"}"-0D-1\?j  0@
> 1621949514 933213 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "one line\rPRIVMSG #esolangs :another line~", exit code: 0
> 1621949521 444610 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel 0"~enil rehtona: sgnalose# GSMVIRP"0"enil eno"       :,"}"-0D-1\?j  0@
> 1621949523 569480 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "one line\x00PRIVMSG #esolangs :another line~", exit code: 0
> 1621949534 984302 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm
> 1621949597 310034 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel W1W//.":",3.  0@
> 1621949598 433305 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "1024 :3 ", exit code: 0
> 1621949605 836930 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel W1W//,  0@
> 1621949606 959997 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "", exit code: 255
> 1621949617 815762 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel 01-,  0@
> 1621949618 913377 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "", exit code: 255
> 1621949754 60081 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel G1A//01--, G1C//02--, "r", 0@
> 1621949755 185712 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "\xA1\xC2r", exit code: 0
> 1621949770 435211 PRIVMSG #esoteric : actually there is really no protection against \x00 in my IRC bot library
> 1621949808 120864 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's harder to abuse on IRC than lf and cr
> 1621949943 905702 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but oh, I see, the String#inspect made that "one line\x00PRIVMSG" escape
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> 1621950017 222929 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's not in IRC bot but in the Function: https://github.com/Nakilon/rasel/blob/5125650327d950e145c664dcdb2043192e30932a/examples/google_cloud_function/app.rb#L10
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> 1621951754 751792 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this is awful https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_comma
> 1621951863 335942 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's the point to use "and" and "or" then if there is already a comma there, just a cluttering
> 1621952082 579426 PRIVMSG #esoteric : github's  style is funny https://github.com/github/explore/blob/main/docs/styleguide.md -- "Avoid using "users" in favor of developers" -- there are no users now, only developers ..D
> 1621952593 557398 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh yeah, you said something about size
> 1621952719 258613 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel Z     1-:.8?j$0E-j    0@
> 1621952770 195371 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel Z. 0@
> 1621952772 321527 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "35 ", exit code: 0
> 1621952803 817008 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel Z     1-:.81\?j$0C-j    0@
> 1621952804 968021 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "34 0 ", exit code: 0
> 1621952845 288299 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel Z     1-::.81\?j$0C-j    0@
> 1621952846 401239 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "34 34 0 ", exit code: 0
> 1621952863 566080 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel Z     1-::.81\?j$0E-j    0@
> 1621952864 690535 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "34 -34 ", exit code: 0
> 1621952891 832021 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel Z     1-::.81\?j$0F-j    0@
> 1621952892 936377 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 ", exit code: 0
> 1621952896 50481 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that, yes
> 1621952908 127719 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel Z14//     1-::.81\?j$0H-j    0@
> 1621952909 311830 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "139 138 137 136 135 134 133 132 131 130 129 128 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 114 113 112 111 110 109 108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91 90 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 1
> 1621952915 251151 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel W18//     1-::.81\?j$0H-j    0@
> 1621952916 291179 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *flood*
> 1621952922 785465 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel W16//     1-::.81\?j$0H-j    0@
> 1621952923 901657 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *flood*
> 1621952932 857052 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel W15//     1-::.81\?j$0H-j    0@
> 1621952934 993515 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *flood*
> 1621952938 184577 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel W14//     1-::.81\?j$0H-j    0@
> 1621952940 412548 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 114 113 112 111 110 109 108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91 90 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 ", exit code: 0
> 1621952949 793748 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel W14//0G--     1-::.81\?j$0H-j    0@
> 1621952950 911508 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *flood*
> 1621952956 814925 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel W14//0D--     1-::.81\?j$0H-j    0@
> 1621952957 938740 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "140 139 138 137 136 135 134 133 132 131 130 129 128 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 114 113 112 111 110 109 108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91 90 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 
> 1621952962 892809 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel W14//0E--     1-::.81\?j$0H-j    0@
> 1621952964 11018 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *flood*
> 1621952976 248400 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel "groot".W14//0D--     1-::.81\?j$0H-j    0@
> 1621952977 361136 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *flood*
> 1621952983 37161 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel W14//0D--     1-::.81\?j$0H-j    0@
> 1621952984 221320 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "140 139 138 137 136 135 134 133 132 131 130 129 128 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 114 113 112 111 110 109 108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91 90 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 
> 1621952991 819848 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so this is the maximum that we can output
> 1621953031 908159 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://github.com/Nakilon/nakiircbot/blob/32633794d50407ed981d15b7ec1f4a8b2d2923fa/lib/nakiircbot.rb#L51
> 1621953042 448980 PRIVMSG #esoteric : not easy to abuse, but luckily we have other bots on the channel that are easier to abuse and also have a more convenient (though still somewhat esoteric) interface
> 1621953062 671530 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the above velik's message is 437 chars long, and the rest 63 are gone for IRC protocol I guess
> 1621953086 634986 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe I should limit the function to 400 chars output to not miss the end
> 1621953104 614072 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean... you'll miss it anyway  but at least you'll see the exit code
> 1621953277 377310 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "luckily we have bots to abuse" (c) b_jonas
> 1621954573 249644 PRIVMSG #esoteric : who is CismonX?
> 1621954710 699806 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wtf "Unless you're using a free third-party client which invokes GitHub's API, using some major features of GitHub requires nonfree JavaScript, which makes it unsuitable for free software hosting."
> 1621954744 311550 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess he owns https://github.com/esolangs but abandoned the Github for the above "reason"
> 1621956183 15330 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The overhead isn't always terribly easy to calculate, because it depends on things like your hostname as seen by others (cloaked), and sometimes even whether they have that identify-msg capability on.
> 1621956235 709447 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Actually, how does the standard 512-byte payload-plus-crlf length limit work with IRCv3 message tags? Are they just exempt from the limit or what?)
> 1621956255 205610 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, I guess: "The size limit for message tags is 8191 bytes, including the leading '@' (0x40) and trailing space ' ' (0x20) characters. The size limit for the rest of the message remains unchanged at 512 bytes."
> 1621956367 702936 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (With half allocated for the client to use and the other half for server-added tags, so that your message doesn't go over the limit no matter what the server adds to it.)
> 1621956394 846878 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wish the IRC message limit was more consistent and less historically limited 
< 1621956406 810396 :polxy!opticnerve@gateway/vpn/airvpn/opticnerve JOIN :#esoteric
> 1621956419 293686 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But increasing it would probably break many clients
> 1621956532 740924 PRIVMSG #esoteric : twitch v3 tags were huge
< 1621956559 578462 :polxy!opticnerve@gateway/vpn/airvpn/opticnerve QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
> 1621956614 979944 PRIVMSG #esoteric : < @badge-info=subscriber/4;badges=subscriber/3,bits/1000;color=;display-name=volker027;emotes=;flags=;id=b0830d66-7cd5-4f03-b330-cd565a0710c9;mod=0;room-id=96726033;subscriber=1;tmi-sent-ts=1621460923658;turbo=0;user-id=478416199;user-type= :volker027!volker027@volker027.tmi.twitch.tv PRIVMSG #twigglesoft :Hi Twiggle and Chat 😀
> 1621956640 638137 PRIVMSG #esoteric : didn't try to enable them here yet
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> 1621956767 908387 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you are a free software purist you can't even use github because the server isn't free
> 1621956803 144205 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nor most of the Internet
> 1621956812 298946 PRIVMSG #esoteric : free software purism is very silly :I
> 1621956892 891185 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I failed to understand what does the "nonfree Javascript" mean
> 1621956910 321071 PRIVMSG #esoteric : “It’s not GPL as such bad”
> 1621956946 915448 PRIVMSG #esoteric : People like that tend to treat not-GPL as blasphemy
> 1621956953 73883 PRIVMSG #esoteric : V8 is BSD, ye, such a difference...
> 1621956973 827780 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like if someone makes him pay for Chrome
> 1621957028 948144 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the context of games it’s even worse, as often times there what people /really/ mean by free is “I can build myself a copy so I don’t have to pay shit.”
> 1621957085 447497 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nonfree javascript is js that you aren't allowed to copy and modify among other things
> 1621957111 981137 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sure, you _can_ copy every script that is run in your browser, but you can also copy every program that is run on your cpu
> 1621957126 912662 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I doubt he ever needed to copy or modify it
> 1621957162 38213 PRIVMSG #esoteric : especially to use a Github
> 1621957169 884736 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sure, most people don't need to modify the linux kernel
> 1621957179 747083 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that does not mean people don't like it being free
> 1621957209 236306 PRIVMSG #esoteric : people care about wrong things
> 1621957223 896722 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they do, but freedom is not one of them
> 1621957269 948997 PRIVMSG #esoteric : All software is free software if you're willing enough to break the law
> 1621957291 668746 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (for legal reasons I do not encourage breaking the law)
> 1621957307 759528 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I use Windows without paying and without breaking the law ..\
> 1621957349 621012 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: different definition of "free" I think
> 1621957351 720543 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I mean, until I cracked it)
> 1621957397 25054 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you are free to use it for personal entertainment, and it was free to download from microsoft.com but those links are dying for some reason
> 1621957401 832457 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no need to crack windows, you can just deactivate the license check with standard tools
> 1621957442 552236 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the "you are not activated" in the corner is exactly what annoys
> 1621957465 977508 PRIVMSG #esoteric : people laugh at your screenshots
> 1621957470 210947 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm not sure if this stays, i haven't touched a private windows in years
> 1621957490 417590 PRIVMSG #esoteric : imagine making screenshots of your desktop to share
> 1621957547 70180 PRIVMSG #esoteric : don't everybody on linux do that?
> 1621957557 729763 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I saw even websites where they have galleries of them
> 1621957573 227855 PRIVMSG #esoteric : a screenshot of my system would just be whatever applications are open
> 1621957574 511400 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like a part of their forum
> 1621957579 24140 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or like a green void
> 1621957611 567515 PRIVMSG #esoteric : do you have a waifu as a background of your terminal?
> 1621957619 702690 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *don't you
> 1621957636 136928 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://opensource.com/sites/default/files/uploads/advent-herbsluftwm.png actual screenshot of what my system looks like
> 1621957676 146779 PRIVMSG #esoteric : damn I should fork ubuntu to make that "your system is inactivated" in the corner
> 1621957690 412636 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there is Russian meme "Bolgen OS"
> 1621957772 650647 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sometimes on TV journalists love to make news about "genious kids from deep of Siberia" and one was a local prodigy who even "made his own OS that his school is now trying to adopt"
> 1621957800 117586 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and it was Bolgen OS -- an Ubuntu with his custom boot screen logo
> 1621957848 694946 PRIVMSG #esoteric : we had something similar, some people claimed making a revolutionary new os that runs windows as well as linux applications
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> 1621957860 456735 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it was basically some mainstream linux distri with wine
> 1621957869 615810 PRIVMSG #esoteric : windows 12!
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> 1621958121 357007 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maik mixdorf was the dude
> 1621958126 428953 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "uniOS"
> 1621958246 306187 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ow
> 1621958249 729144 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Windows Sandbox seems to be unactivated. It's kind o annoying
> 1621958290 987612 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they claimed to write 52 million LOCs with a team of 3 programmers :D
> 1621958298 728520 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in 3 years
> 1621958386 222775 PRIVMSG #esoteric : myname: lots of copy paste, or lots of IDE code generation I wonder
> 1621958404 635544 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > 52000000/9
> 1621958406 888027 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  5777777.777777778
> 1621958414 499939 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > 52000000/9/365
> 1621958416 463695 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  15829.528158295283
> 1621958428 610754 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That's almost 16k lines per person per day
> 1621958634 920461 PRIVMSG #esoteric : our pythonist made a 1.2 mln lines long commit
> 1621958647 437102 PRIVMSG #esoteric : an hour before deploy
> 1621958662 984663 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in prod
> 1621958711 311366 PRIVMSG #esoteric : people can have a talent of commiting a lot
> 1621958780 705760 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and github is full of the /vendor directories and probably even /node-modules or how it's called
> 1621958784 173896 PRIVMSG #esoteric : love hyperboloid model even more: when you find the intersection of two distinct hyperbolic lines, their corresponding planes always intersect in a line. If it’s timelike, that means an usual intersection point; if null, that means an ideal point (the lines converge) and if spacelike, the lines diverge; and we can try to say they intersect in an imaginary point (like some imaginary conics stuff sometimes used when solving euclidean conic problems)
> 1621959123 905774 PRIVMSG #esoteric : trying to decide should I write a simple SVG rendering of simple hyperbolic geometry things (like to illustrate various kinds of isometries there) and what computational model to use in that case. Hyperboloid coordinates are too stretched out when going far away from the origin, OTOH Poincaré disk is ailed by converse, and these two models seem best in computational ease?..
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> 1621959263 959937 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm maybe floating point is good with hyperboloid model. How much precision is lost when doing arccosh(cosh(θ)) and arcsinh(sinh(θ)) asymptotically?..
> 1621959309 544561 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you might wanna check if Mathematica already can do that
> 1621959336 634512 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean making is simpler to render that stuff
> 1621959344 494728 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *it
> 1621959402 683403 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah, I used its graphics functions many times, yeah. Though I want to move on to freer software :)
> 1621959419 358726 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I generated many cool things with it, though
> 1621959501 967722 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like this one https://i.postimg.cc/hcMqY6Xz/mandala3.png
> 1621960425 647767 PRIVMSG #esoteric : about arcsinh(sinh(θ)): when θ is large, it’s just ~ log(exp(θ)) so there’s some amout of precision, though it fluctuates a bit: mantissas of exp(θ) near 1.0 are worse than those near 2.0
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> 1621962910 950598 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol "zzo38 is the only esolanger who has an entry in Urban Dictionary."
> 1621963024 581623 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv https://www.reddit.com/r/generative/
> 1621963320 549731 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03JaydenIrwin 5*  10New user account
> 1621963492 933495 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: oh much thanks!! I value procedural art things though I almost don’t do them myself at all, but still. Hopefully there are many useful ideas to use
> 1621963537 157970 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv it's my dream to earn for life by selling drawing made by coding
> 1621963569 675292 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nice dream!
> 1621963625 366171 PRIVMSG #esoteric : one time I used an untrained neural network with a subtle drift of weights to generate sound
> 1621963730 169032 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03RubyPiec 5*  10New user account
> 1621963732 238591 PRIVMSG #esoteric : as expected it didn’t work quite well but still had made interesting sounds sometimes: https://freesound.org/people/arseniiv/packs/22686/ (warning: sometimes very harsh noise)
> 1621963802 665172 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what might be interesting is that despite the high sampling rate, it sometimes generated pretty low frequency tones
> 1621963905 604980 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so that should have been due to very long prominent cycles between “neurons”. And it I made initial networks more interesting rather than just uniformly random, then we might hear something magical…
> 1621963924 164630 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that was generated in Mathematica too
> 1621963927 50556 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83402&oldid=83343 5* 03RubyPiec 5* (+258) 10introduction :o
> 1621964011 915475 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also I should warn they say Freesound’s streaming quality is lower than what you’d get by first downloading and then listening in your favorite player
> 1621964095 235468 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that’s not obvious at all from just listening online without an offline downloaded reference, but it seems to be true
> 1621964130 675726 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: On that note, the way ignore lists and filter expressions are persisted is, I manually list them out in a query before restarting the bot and write them up in a config file. ;)
> 1621964153 80898 PRIVMSG #esoteric : So if you change something and it reverts, it was probably me forgetting to do that.
> 1621964167 902786 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Not that the lists have changed so far.)
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> 1621964649 958613 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, I recognize only 18 people/bots both here and there (but I'm matching by nick except esolangs=esowiki) put differently, there are 47 unique users here, 37 unique users there
> 1621964676 16951 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > 47+37+18
> 1621964677 499230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  102
> 1621964692 176662 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that seems about right, actually
> 1621964696 291401 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83404&oldid=83274 5* 03JaydenIrwin 5* (+14) 10/* S */
> 1621964731 652606 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SF Code14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83405 5* 03JaydenIrwin 5* (+19) 10Created page with "This is a new lang."
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> 1621964934 552647 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SF Code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83406&oldid=83405 5* 03JaydenIrwin 5* (+189) 10Started page
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> 1621965118 380237 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think this might be the only parallel-universe channel I'm on that has a majority here.
> 1621965147 789080 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Though I parted two that moved officially.
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> 1621965239 405582 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #haskell is at 443 vs. 673, ##math at 244 bs. 702, that's the two biggest channels I'm in
> 1621965282 44926 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #haskell has semi-officially moved, but is probably being held back by the lack of matrix bridge
> 1621965329 138937 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (which is being worked on)
> 1621965383 76782 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ##math is so far from FOSS that I'm actually pleasantly surprised by those numbers
> 1621965504 715055 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's even more telling in the case of #haskell is that the latest discussion was about how to register a nick when libera requires SASL
> 1621965527 998173 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #go-nuts is 282 vs. 492 (with an in-review CL to change the website, but I don't know if that's going to go through) and #c/##c is 344 vs. 855, I think those are my biggest ones.
> 1621965551 796357 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SF Code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83407&oldid=83406 5* 03JaydenIrwin 5* (+863) 10added symbol table
> 1621965821 913477 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also consider editing the IRC channel here if anyone cares https://github.com/angrykoala/awesome-esolangs
> 1621965828 971583 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ##math is so far from FOSS that I'm actually pleasantly surprised by those numbers => maybe the majority of its participants are other FOSS channel regulars? Erm it took me so long to remember “regular” and find it in a dictionary…
> 1621965868 680937 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so they hopped in a natural manner, not because of just ##math only
> 1621965982 69632 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "might be the only parallel-universe channel I'm on that has a majority here." -- yeah, 328 / 76 for #ruby
> 1621965997 342969 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think the bridge is doing it
> 1621966055 940943 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03JaydenIrwin 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:SF Code on Mac.png10]]"
> 1621966126 617163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think fungot did it.
> 1621966126 999147 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: the texts parliament has voted for the fnord should be facilitated in claiming discretionary concessions available to pensioners from the state in the recitals, as parliament had already issued a global pronouncement on that second phase in november 1996 and 24 february 1997, the top priority of the intergovernmental conference.
> 1621966139 957342 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this channel is like a maternity hospital
> 1621966143 305330 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also I think we've had enough of politics for a while.
> 1621966146 239231 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^style nethack
> 1621966146 277374 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal)
> 1621966148 108964 PRIVMSG #esoteric : seeing new languages being born lol
> 1621966449 780699 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SF Code14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83409&oldid=83407 5* 03JaydenIrwin 5* (+611) 10description
> 1621966504 851311 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe #math users rarely have BNCs
> 1621966522 715213 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so mostly they consist of "alive" people
> 1621966604 265500 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think you could CTCP VERSION spam everyone to check ..D
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> 1621966646 53827 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, well, don't
> 1621966683 867100 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also I imagine there's quite a few BNC-type people there who joined to ask one question and just stayed even though they never looked at the channel again
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> 1621966701 165558 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you know, people who are on 100+ channels anyway
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> 1621967331 730335 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `relcome zzo38 
> 1621967333 494534 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​07zzo38: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09EFnet 02or 06DALnet.)
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> 1621967605 471412 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Daniel Temkin was writing to me with interview questions. But, so far they only sent to me one set of questions and some clarifications which I have responded to both; they haven't sent to me the second set of questions yet.
> 1621967683 346900 PRIVMSG #esoteric : This was the esoteric.codes person? (I'm bad with names.)
> 1621967880 189909 PRIVMSG #esoteric : rottytooth
> 1621967884 616599 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes
> 1621967939 652081 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yes.
> 1621967988 86905 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38 I have an interview question for you
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> 1621968005 849278 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what is the game named Aksana? it sounds almost like Russian name
> 1621968195 905975 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://mathoverflow.net/questions/393688/generate-all-possible-theories-compatible-with-axioms/393713#393713
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> 1621969228 341803 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Brainfuck Assembly Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83410&oldid=82690 5* 03Olus2000 5* (+243) 10No more No-ops
> 1621969335 859426 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: It is a ZZT game
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> 1621970222 703866 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cool, it's playable in browser
> 1621970335 380064 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yes, and there are many other ZZT games too
> 1621970399 464346 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Including, XYZABCDE.ZZT. (It says that ZZT is not Free software; that was true at the time the game was written; I didn't know that a year later ZZT would become Free software. Now ZZT is Free software.)
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> 1621971476 853218 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://libera.chat/news/one-week-of-libera-chat "We have managed to finalise registrations of 250+ projects, and we’re getting more and more all the time. Our backlog is as large as our finished registrations!"
> 1621971529 780515 PRIVMSG #esoteric : For the record, our ticket number is in the 500-600 range, so I'm thinking it might be a while. Even if they're not all real.
> 1621971580 832481 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Not that I think lack of official recognition is exactly blocking anything.)
> 1621971592 634676 PRIVMSG #esoteric : on which day did you apply #esolangs request?
> 1621971605 218722 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The 22nd.
> 1621971628 888416 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Last Saturday.)
> 1621971641 76882 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so it was like 60% of the current age?
> 1621971705 276279 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: yeah, if there's a dispute about who the channel name belongs to that staff has to handle (unlikely for #esolangs), they can just review the registration request ahead of the queue for that
> 1621971750 648693 PRIVMSG #esoteric : something doesn't sum up
> 1621971790 350191 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if their "backlog is half done" and they've processed 250+, then it's only 600 tickets there
> 1621971813 144557 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if ours is 500-600 then it's like no one requests anymore but I very much doubt
> 1621971826 422199 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think I heard something (fourth-hand information at this point) about spam to the project registration address, which might have generated extra ticket numbers that they don't actually count in their queue.
> 1621971922 339267 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what does the "project registration" mean anyway? the channel is registered
> 1621971942 635603 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it about the control over #esolangs-*?
> 1621972035 775073 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In practical terms, not much. It'd allow us to claim #esolangs-* channels, yes, but I don't think we're planning to.
> 1621972059 124423 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Unless I migrate #esoteric-minecraft that has just had myself and Sgeo joining and parting for the last N years.
> 1621972137 578597 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, they gave me #ruby-ru 6 minutes ago ..D
> 1621972347 804248 PRIVMSG #esoteric : would it be possible to program in minecrafting using items?
> 1621972645 159916 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's definitely esolangs-y aspects to minecrafting, but the #esoteric-minecraft channel wasn't about that, we just had a social Minecraft server for hanging-out and building nonsense.
> 1621972738 808380 PRIVMSG #esoteric : IIRC there is a Minecraft mod that operates docker
> 1621972983 184548 PRIVMSG #esoteric : According to some screenshots I found, the version of the game at the time was Minecraft Alpha v1.2.2.
> 1621973123 913678 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the first version I played was able to spawn nether portal by F4
> 1621973144 8460 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I remember my first death ..D
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> 1621973186 483547 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ooh, I found one of those generated map pictures too. https://gamma.zem.fi/~fis/civilization.png
> 1621973672 292738 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ah, I remember #esoteric-minecraft
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> 1621974443 366960 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I crushed my metaphorical teeth trying to SU(1, 1) ≅ SO(1, 2) (Poincaré ≅ hyperboloid). I should have searched for the exact expression of this iso but I was lazy and hopeful
> 1621974931 122280 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  would it be possible to program in minecrafting using items? => with droppers and various item filters (I don’t remember how are they made but IIRC they use hoppers and comparators) and various water elevators and water / blue ice conveyors and chutes you can move items in diverse ways. Also pressure plates of different properties detect different amounts of items; and you can duplicate (using something farmable) and destroy them
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> 1621975096 323192 PRIVMSG #esoteric : using dispensers with a bucket inside, you can switch water on and off, and you can send these buckets around, though conditional on whether a hopper can steal a bucket from inside a dispenser (I think it can?)
> 1621975137 949469 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though shuttling many items around is poor for FPS and also they can start to despawn
> 1621975187 846869 PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway there are lots more ways to transport items there, like sliding down honey or something
> 1621975366 777970 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this reminded me the last line of this article https://esolangs.org/wiki/Anarchysm
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> 1621975467 765946 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://esolangs.org/wiki/File:Minecraft_Pistons_Hello_World.png
> 1621975636 762098 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there was something like that (people running “program requests”) somewhere at reddit or in IRC
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> 1621975863 94496 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think that, should be added into C, the command for adding on to an existing macro. There are some other things that would be helpful too
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> 1621980653 65030 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DynCoder14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83412 5* 03DynCoder 5* (+29) 10Created page with "Person who created [[goatoo]]"
> 1621981011 580013 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:DynCoder14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83413&oldid=83412 5* 03DynCoder 5* (+72) 10
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> 1621981122 777611 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Unsquare14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83415 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+485) 10Created page with "== [[Hello, world!]] == I'm pretty sure the correct program is as follows: 
 OA++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Po IA++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++P..."
> 1621981236 407423 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: there's a standard solution for that: define h(x) = if p(x) the f(x) else g(x), where p(x) is a pseudo-random predicate
> 1621981261 720068 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: then any collision of h(x) is a collision between f and g with 50% probability
> 1621981413 517349 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think I've seen a name attached to it.
> 1621981437 202545 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wish I could remember :P
> 1621981477 846300 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: maybe ##crypto knows
> 1621981608 829576 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83416&oldid=83404 5* 03Fpstefan 5* (+16) 10
> 1621981736 41886 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder what a NetHack TCG would be like
> 1621981866 694697 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION eats pizza
> 1621981960 215659 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot: What would a NetHack TCG be like? 
> 1621981960 346712 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: they say that you can defeat a killer bee is like eating a wraith is a force for good. the markings, teeth, creating a tremendous vice-like bite... piranhas are attracted to any disturbance in the dungeon, these swarming monsters are created evil, thieves, and sake.
> 1621981974 45095 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think it would contain at least those elements.
> 1621982268 177187 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there should be a game where enemies are named after esoteric languages
> 1621982279 375163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sometimes ugly as hell
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> 1621982348 866024 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Unsquare14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83417&oldid=83415 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+138) 10/* Hello, world! */
> 1621982396 810179 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the Brainfuck monster according to its name would aim in the head attacking with psy waves
> 1621982515 266755 PRIVMSG #esoteric : to defeat them you should write code in them
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> 1621982765 855854 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Pointfree programming14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83418&oldid=74534 5* 03Fpstefan 5* (+124) 10
> 1621982790 901435 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: well, that went well.
> 1621982794 973260 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I like a rule that you need not use the officially printed cards; you can use your own that contain the same text, if the mass, size, etc matches the official ones. If you are not using card sleeves, the back must also match.
> 1621982820 145938 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cards?
> 1621983045 944303 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Unsquare14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83419&oldid=67140 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+125) 10
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> 1621983675 266764 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: So, of course it's attributed van Oorschot and Wiener, the same people who came up with the distinguished points parallel search, and even the same paper.
> 1621983803 555870 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Goatoo14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83420 5* 03DynCoder 5* (+3439) 10Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Goatoo |paradigms=imperative |author=[[User:DynCoder]] |refimpl=[https://github.com/Joshua260403/goatoo GitHub] |year=[[:Category:2021|2021]] |memsys=..."
> 1621983827 414748 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Goatoo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83421&oldid=83420 5* 03DynCoder 5* (+11) 10
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> 1621985050 312646 PRIVMSG #esoteric : woah
> 1621985061 49685 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel  1621985064 276903 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: " 1621985075 95397 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my first quine ever!
> 1621985114 590892 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wow nice quine!
> 1621985132 69968 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel  1621985133 239126 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "<3@Y#\\3\x00\"", exit code: 3
> 1621985324 365852 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RASEL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83422&oldid=83396 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+20) 10Quine
> 1621985445 613706 PRIVMSG #esoteric : somehow it's twice shorter than Befunge quines
> 1621985636 430420 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not the Funge-98 quines though.
> 1621985656 500842 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  <@,+1!',ka"
> 1621985662 492925 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (With the leading space.)
> 1621985772 520835 PRIVMSG #esoteric : rosetta code has shorter Befunge than on Esolangs http://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/Quine#Befunge
> 1621985848 313973 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Odd that we don't have that one, it's the kinda-obvious one.
> 1621985889 333086 PRIVMSG #esoteric : probably "reading source is cheating" mentality
> 1621985918 213217 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nah, the one we do reads the source.
> 1621985927 789507 PRIVMSG #esoteric : huh
> 1621985941 631218 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It just does a bounce-around loop instead of the wraparound loop.
> 1621985989 22093 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I imagine that could be replaced by the Rosetta Code one, at least as far as quine aesthetics go.
> 1621986066 469353 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The stringmode quines get a little long in Befunge-93 because there's no coalescing of spaces, so you end up with having to trim them manually, and it gets slightly verbose to do on one line.
> 1621986069 16984 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Clockwise14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83423&oldid=83388 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+202) 10
> 1621986077 859174 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Clockwise14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83424&oldid=83423 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+2) 10
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> 1621986144 673474 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Here's a Befunge-98 version with no leading space: <@,+1!',ka$"
> 1621986214 666371 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm, so funge-98 does not go around in the loop
> 1621986233 56008 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe I could do that too with negative jump
> 1621986236 164799 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` echo "<@,+1!',ka$\"" > /tmp/q.b98; /hackenv/interps/cfunge/cfunge /tmp/q.b98
> 1621986237 189785 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​<@,+1!',ka$"
> 1621986273 149329 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Annoying to escape something that contains both a ' and a " in bash.
> 1621986288 36325 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Is there something like Perl's arbitrary-delimiter thing?)
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> 1621986390 914083 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't get it why the space or $ in your example
> 1621986399 265848 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what is it for
> 1621986427 813647 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In stringmode, the infinite empty space around the program gets coalesced into a single ' ' character.
> 1621986438 588401 PRIVMSG #esoteric : So the $ drops it; or the version with the leading space just contains it in the program.
> 1621986443 983652 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh
> 1621986499 652491 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also applies to any intervening spaces. To quote from the spec: "In Funge-98 stringmode, spaces are treated "SGML-style"; that is, when any contiguous series of spaces is processed, it only takes one tick and pushes one space onto the stack."
> 1621986501 237014 PRIVMSG #esoteric : RASEL cuts it
> 1621986536 612439 PRIVMSG #esoteric : For wrapping in Funge-98, conceptually you just apply the above rule to the infinite amount of spaces your string would otherwise have.
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> 1621986665 964939 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Clockwise14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83427&oldid=83426 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10/* Cat program */ Fix (thanks, Bangyen)
> 1621986689 324924 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Talk:Clockwise14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83428&oldid=83424 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+164) 10/* Cat Program */ Reply
> 1621986878 221104 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok, negative jumps sucks but I made it in one instead of two
> 1621986880 357057 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel <@,Yj#?\15:,"
> 1621986882 529800 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "<@,Yj#?\\15:,\"", exit code: 5
> 1621987257 49015 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " I wonder what a NetHack TCG would be like" => I was wondering about that at some point, and figured out some possible mechanics, but in the end it mostly comes down to making any good TCG core, then flavoring it to nethack by throwing in as many nethack references as you can. Same as you'd make a TCG for a TV series.
> 1621987302 956232 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if computerized, the biggest way you could do it is simply to try and have as much foresight as nethack itself
> 1621987306 463518 PRIVMSG #esoteric : good luck with  that though
> 1621987334 465962 PRIVMSG #esoteric : You apply the potion of oil to the iron golem, it's attack power doubles!
> 1621987351 545727 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's an interesting quine, how does the unbalanced double quote work?
> 1621987388 299490 PRIVMSG #esoteric : You can try to make up templates for the TCG using TeXnicard, perhaps. I also believe that a computer implementation of the rules should be written as FOSS, perhaps using literate programming so that it includes the general text too.
> 1621987427 397664 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas it reads it once for start then wraps around the line and reads it again for the end
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> 1621987484 657226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07BFStack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83430&oldid=83011 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-53) 10
> 1621987508 912195 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07EXCON14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83431&oldid=83007 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-15) 10/* Interpreter */
> 1621987523 521860 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07RAM014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83432&oldid=83010 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-53) 10
> 1621987524 494458 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: bash arbitrary delimiter: there's here-docs, but nothing like perl/ruby's single character delimiter. I would occasionally like a better delimiter for URLs in bash, because neither " nor ' works.
> 1621987619 465832 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: oh! so that's why when I miss the @ builtin you get an infinite loop. that makes much more sense
> 1621987632 733729 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ye )
> 1621987733 426492 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well that makes more sense
> 1621987802 791101 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have found ' suitable to delimit URLs in bash
> 1621987885 851567 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: that doesn't work well because URLs can contain ' so then you have to escape it
> 1621987935 543914 PRIVMSG #esoteric : $'' doesn't work for the same reason; "" doesn't work because now you have to escape dollar signs
> 1621988082 925522 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and yes, this is a small complaing, I do generally like bash
> 1621988085 831859 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I had never needed to use a URL with '
> 1621988325 957531 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey I made it even shorter
> 1621988328 803342 PRIVMSG #esoteric : \rasel <@,Yj5#?:,"
> 1621988331 976505 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "<@,Yj5#?:,\"", exit code: 0
> 1621988393 400527 PRIVMSG #esoteric : both ? branches reach the j, but one gets 5 and another carries own end-loop 0
> 1621988510 472566 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's now 1 char shorter than Befunge-98 I guess
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> 1621989104 471015 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `rasel <@,Yj5#?:,"
> 1621989106 746914 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​<@,Yj5#?:,"
> 1621989120 979501 PRIVMSG #esoteric : valid in both versions
> 1621989302 755467 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `rasel "tobadbmal olleh >",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,@
> 1621989306 276057 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​> hello lambdabot
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> 1621993023 385008 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Aylias 5*  10New user account
> 1621993188 800674 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83434&oldid=83411 5* 03Aylias 5* (+206) 10/* Introductions */
> 1621993644 936648 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Heh, I was fiddling in SASL support to my IRC thing (seems to be working now), and noticed I had originally generated a 10-year self-signed cert, which will expire next year. Wonder how I'm supposed to remember something like that.
> 1621993697 989062 PRIVMSG #esoteric : put it into your calendar and hope that it survives the 2 software migrations in the meantime?
> 1621993922 167455 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm, it might just barely work.
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> 1621995375 998110 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Turns out bip doesn't do SASL. :/ (After adding it to the homegrown bot thing, was thinking of setting it up for this human-client connection too.)
> 1621995429 711464 PRIVMSG #esoteric : irssi does. weechat does too, presumably
> 1621995465 293783 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, but they're not bouncers.
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> 1621995486 974478 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I went through this phase of experimenting with clients, and it was convenient to not have that cause any trouble.
> 1621995495 829538 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I know ZNC does, but it's too mainstream.)
> 1621995502 811996 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh bouncers, right
> 1621995536 240354 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well, being mainstream may correlate with growing sasl support
> 1621995599 13369 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, I guess. bip does client-side certificates, which is *almost* but not exactly the same.
> 1621995683 101669 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Adding a client cert fingerprint to NickServ makes it auto-identify soon *after* connecting, but you still need to do a SASL EXTERNAL thing in the connection registration stage to make it happen before actually connecting.)
> 1621995688 412166 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea...
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> 1621998977 68628 PRIVMSG #esoteric : did y'all get your channel seized on freenode.
> 1621998980 561511 PRIVMSG #esoteric : because #lobsters did.
> 1621998991 204582 PRIVMSG #esoteric : everyone did
> 1621999002 793788 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they've seized every single channel that mentions libera.
> 1621999031 60112 PRIVMSG #esoteric : all of them
> 1621999037 651524 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and are doing.. what.
> 1621999061 346012 PRIVMSG #esoteric : forcibly preventing the channel from leaving, by hiding the fact it moved
> 1621999070 735869 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's redirected to it's ## version, and  owned by a placeholder account
> 1621999102 365096 PRIVMSG #esoteric : anybody wanna argue about FUD when moving networks now.
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> 1621999494 286948 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bye freenode, fuck you andrew lee.
> 1621999749 112221 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's pretty... uh, what did they think was gonna happen
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> 1621999944 862517 PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: Probably hope to snag users that haven't realized everyone's movied to libera
> 1621999964 704124 PRIVMSG #esoteric : So uders that log on to IRC maybe once-twice a month or something
> 1622000053 62520 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i feel like they'd notice the sudden total redirection of all the channels to ## under new management tho
> 1622000055 802862 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I still don't get the hostile takeover of Freenode, I'd assume taking care of the needs and wants of a bunch of smelly computer nerds (present company excluded) would be a much bigger pain in the ass than whatever monetary gains are to be had from owning the IRC chat which they use
> 1622000063 639955 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Amp 5*  10New user account
> 1622000080 568026 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it is objectively bizarre
> 1622000162 182349 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Who'd buy it and why?
> 1622000182 32543 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There is an objectively negative cost associated with owning and maintaining an IRC network
> 1622000216 446155 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh? Could you explain?
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> 1622000296 749335 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what_the_fuck_am_i_reading.jpg
> 1622000298 210807 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder what they do for channels that are in "violation" that are already ##
> 1622000305 721270 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83436&oldid=83435 5* 03Amp 5* (+67) 10/* Introductions */
> 1622000315 432434 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3>IRC is one of the last few remaining open messaging platforms that anybody can setup and manage their own communities with. No vendor lock in, no black box services.
> 1622000322 438663 PRIVMSG #esoteric : They introduce this like it's a bad thing
> 1622000355 152070 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Amp14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83437 5* 03Amp 5* (+2) 10Created page with "yo"
> 1622000410 166537 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think I see, so Lee's trying to make Freenode his so he can make it the testbed for his irc.com webshit and sell it to investors?
> 1622000417 214168 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yuh.
> 1622000453 469149 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'd ask who'd invest in that, but then people invested in juicero so I won't.
< 1622000498 645703 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye freenode:#esoteric, see you on the other side (where I've already taken up residence, obviously.)
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> 1622000534 690412 PRIVMSG #esoteric : very smart to take over a platform and immediately drive off the entire existing userbase
> 1622000553 386367 PRIVMSG #esoteric : clearly much better than just starting your own irc network from scratch
> 1622000555 864274 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :P
> 1622000591 429312 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is this just a case of capitalists being unable to understand the internet? they can't imagine any way to build things that doesn't involve first displacing an existing group of people?
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> 1622002492 41025 PRIVMSG #esoteric : FORWARD might be a good idea; the rest I don't like. (Also, GZIP is bad because it requires the client software to implement it. Ideally, no special client software should be needed for IRC; such things should be optional.)
> 1622002667 525860 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like i believe that
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> 1622003403 171586 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hehehe
> 1622003782 165218 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi soni
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> 1622004385 268773 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Soni: That is a possibility, but I recommend not using them anyways.
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> 1622010796 516762 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: that's a good one, they kickbanned everyone from the existing channels, that will get a lot of people notice that something happened and get them moving
> 1622010836 235679 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " i feel like they'd notice the sudden total redirection of all the channels to ## under new management tho" => not really that, more like that suddenly there are much fewer people on
> 1622010891 707037 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83438&oldid=83223 5* 03B jonas 5* (-13) 10
> 1622011039 671099 PRIVMSG #esoteric : keegan: unclear, he might want to just destroy the network completely (without directly stating that) and driving people to competitor forums that he has interest in more secretly
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> 1622012416 416341 PRIVMSG #esoteric : at least if he wanted to destroy freenode, he had the courtsey of doing it quickly rather than having communities wonder if they should stay or find a new place
> 1622012855 928239 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SF Code14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83439&oldid=83409 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+226) 10Recategorization
> 1622014096 492073 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: "just forcibly changing the topic" => that would have no effect, because NOBODY READS TOPICS ON IRC. they just used the topic as a quick filter to tell which communities redirect users to other networks in more effective ways. grepping topics is easier to automate than looking at project websites to see which projects changed their links.
> 1622014125 233895 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: also, if you feel like my encouragement to make a bridge pressured you, you are hereby absolved, I no longer think a bridge to freenode is helpful
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> 1622014290 196723 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fuck freenode
> 1622014301 544662 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they're dead to me
> 1622014303 181745 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i told them to eat my balls
> 1622014311 444149 PRIVMSG #esoteric : long live libera
> 1622014312 553265 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `coins
> 1622014315 914763 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​06milecoin 13wotioncoin 04limpcoin 07fakcoin 08bfccoin 09smitisorbcoin 02safenfcoin 06nrfcoin 13axicoin 04aaallyidocoin 07dermdrcemecoin 08shakbcoin 09hyphillecoin 02sorthcoin 06codacoin 13ampucoin 04hpndersiopcoin 07nephalcoin 08percardcoin 09igncoin
> 1622015401 590552 PRIVMSG #esoteric : heh, "Leenode" rather than Freenode , via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27287038  > We should stop implicitly legitimizing Andrew Lee's power grab by referring to his dominion as "Freenode"
> 1622015548 269602 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, I was just wondering what to rename the network tag of freenode in my irc config so I don't absent-mindedly connect and join it and think I'm correctly connected to IRC
> 1622015557 966518 PRIVMSG #esoteric : will probably still go with something else rather than a cheap pun
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> 1622016029 524346 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The Realm of Freenode is our homeland. The Chännel dwells in it since... Uhm... Quite a few years ago?
> 1622016034 819090 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Libera is the land of the future. Probably.
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> 1622016088 844282 PRIVMSG #esoteric : now the leest of nodes?
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> 1622016273 512129 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (just realised I misunderstood which was the freest... Libera is free-er than freenode, so is freest...) My attempt at a joke needs to be rewritten accordingly
> 1622016284 570798 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: evil tortoise? come on, the lore is obvious. the freenode gods pulled off a miracle of setting up a new network in like two days, with several servers, and led us out of Egypt
> 1622016395 828175 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Of free nodes, Freenode is leest, Libera is freest?
> 1622016437 167140 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? puns
> 1622016438 479524 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. But beware of Muphry adding misspellings.
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> 1622019080 143512 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` ruby -e "p 'Libera' > 'Freenode'"
> 1622019084 541659 PRIVMSG #esoteric : true
> 1622019098 318720 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` ruby -e "p 'Freenode' > 'Libera'"
> 1622019099 327870 PRIVMSG #esoteric : false
> 1622019171 981584 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
> 1622021629 292772 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this "Community-curated" in github repo titles...
> 1622021633 399687 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what does it even mean
> 1622021670 114507 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they always have the repo owner who reviews and accepts the pull requests only if he feels so, the same as in any another github repo
> 1622021968 562408 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, that was certainly a thing. Wondering if I should make that bridge a one-way affair, just freenode -> here, so that it would mainly serve the purpose of letting people here notice if someone they know comes in wondering about what's up. (Up until `freenodecom` comes in and forcibly redirects it to ##esoteric, of course, at which point I don't think I'd bother.)
> 1622021987 319597 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what even more funny is that you could say "well the pull requests should probably pass the CI checks", but nope -- the https://github.com/github/explore/commits/main has the ./script/cibuild script but they don't have CI, lol -- this script threw errors that they fixed only 11 hours ago
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> 1622022104 284561 PRIVMSG #esoteric : not that it amazes me in any way because I already saw an amazing shit done by github staff
> 1622022231 417965 PRIVMSG #esoteric : one of their guys took the whole course code of my gem and replaced the source code of another gem on github, not changing the name, nor giving any credits -- just copypoasted the whole code over, with mistakes, and made a pull request -- at first I thought it's someone drunk or indian but nope, he had the "Github staff" badge
> 1622022241 686509 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *source
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> 1622022297 647471 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though still could be drunk
> 1622022325 381172 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie I think the bridge gives people on freenode know that libera exists
> 1622022337 644105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and that we are active here
> 1622022349 243428 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *makes people
> 1622022371 338267 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, it's just there's a number of people who I think prefer not to get their comments forwarded over there. But fair enough, I guess it still does that even if there's odd gaps in the conversation.
> 1622022381 889234 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Like lambdabot just saying "True" out of the blue. ;)
> 1622022431 815924 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol
> 1622022440 811530 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: disenchanter: ask not, as opposed to the nether world, the chalk pencil, and without a mother. she is usually heard or seen in profile, the demon lord. inhabited or not, have very detailed short-term plans for it had been very upset to find if hearts be wild and wise.
> 1622022455 811143 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In retrospect, I think that wasn't the best ^style for that.
> 1622022542 317226 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so on freenode it looks like a demon lord took a control over him
> 1622022576 364529 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07While(true)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83440&oldid=83400 5* 03Aonodensetsu 5* (+0) 10/* Quirks */
> 1622022592 129528 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh here we go
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> 1622025646 32432 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Sertdfyguhi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83443&oldid=81241 5* 03Sertdfyguhi 5* (-27) 10update
> 1622027397 54443 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is there any website that provides a ""community driven" " catalogue of irc channels?
> 1622027471 330548 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean only those who already can IRC know about /list, and even they don't immediately know about alis, etc., it would be nice to have some guide over your possible places of interests if you are not in IRC yet
> 1622027587 999841 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's not a *curated* list, but there's always https://netsplit.de/channels/?net=libera.chat and such.
> 1622027591 349557 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's kind of flaky in what it displays, though.
> 1622027975 596742 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi Am Dm6 G F#add9 Fm7 C6 G what do you think?
> 1622030086 331939 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83444&oldid=83183 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+1304) 10/* Freenode and the future */ Last call for objections.
> 1622030242 622828 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie it doesn't provide a tree/tags cataloging
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> 1622030274 594253 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv you mean q3dm6?
> 1622030323 7621 PRIVMSG #esoteric : don’t know what q3 is
> 1622030342 709437 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shame on you
> 1622030409 322489 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, a Quake map. Didn’t play Quake :)
> 1622030432 585397 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I meant the chord D F A B
> 1622030446 325462 PRIVMSG #esoteric : from an alis topic search on freenode, there are at least a few channels that still advertise in the topic that they moved to libera, but there are also some that advertise that they moved to oftc or hackint
> 1622030741 198202 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Are they #channels or ##channels? Although I don't doubt there's exceptions.
> 1622030762 967417 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv it's in this classic video starting at 4:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg9RVktBNMA
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> 1622031023 309613 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: "community-curated" means that is the software is buggy or badly designed, the maintainer don't accept blame, because it was "the community" that maintained it wrong, according to them
> 1622031802 189018 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: for libera, only ## and ## channels I think
> 1622031829 427798 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well no\
> 1622031833 370724 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm wrong
> 1622031871 240470 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: there are #-channels too, like freenode/#archlinux-security, that say moved to libera in topic
> 1622031941 772573 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not attempting to tell how many large channels have such notices in topic, because it's hard to tell how large a channel is when it's moved away, and I don't have historic data
> 1622031963 968060 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe they changed to that after the big sweep? Or just were missed. Or got their channel back: #go-nuts on freenode was "recovered", and now says "see  for official support channels" in topic, which is one way to put it.
> 1622031989 59708 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: yes, they probably changed the topic again after the big sweep. they probably have nothing to lose by changing it again.
> 1622032061 628065 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Incidentally, on freenode we have ##esoteric set as `+if #esoteric` owned by tswett (who's moved from IRC to Matrix, I think) -- I wonder what would've happened if we had had Libera in the topic.
> 1622032073 425542 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Given the nature of the channel, I think the best-case scenario (as in, for maximum absurdity) would've been that we'd have have both #esoteric and ##esoteric as invite-only and both forwarding to each other.
> 1622032091 149822 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But I guess more plausibly they would have reset the modes of ##esoteric to open it up.
> 1622032146 472553 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "see  for official support channels" => yeah, that's harder to object against, freenode historically had extra channels where the official channel was on another network: ##rust before mozilla irc got shut down, and #gimp or ##gimp (can't recall which)
> 1622032165 994751 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Goatoo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83445&oldid=83442 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+71) 10/* Language Overview */ Categories
> 1622032187 825177 PRIVMSG #esoteric : plus of course such a topic can refer to non-irc forums (though it's less likely to say "channels") for the large number of projects that don't consider the freenode presence official
> 1622032223 934520 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07SF Code14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83446&oldid=83439 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+0) 10Move cats to bottom
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> 1622032235 4749 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "both #esoteric and ##esoteric as invite-only and both forwarding to each other" lol, that would be funny indeed
> 1622032378 350806 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Move cats to bottom" <- herding cats, I see.
> 1622032395 211289 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, cats as in categories; I was assuming examples of the cat program.
> 1622032541 545513 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there should be a language about cats
> 1622032636 660258 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh I see https://esolangs.org/wiki/CAT
> 1622032782 214944 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Nakilon14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83447&oldid=81104 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+28) 10added Libera
> 1622033002 644691 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's a brctl?
> 1622033016 718121 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh the bridge
> 1622033019 461759 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bridge something
> 1622033076 848260 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I named it after brctl(8), the Linux utility to control Ethernet bridges.
> 1622033105 581537 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("ctl" is presumably short for "control".)
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> 1622033629 428700 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or cuttle[fish]
> 1622033997 674754 PRIVMSG #esoteric : does fungot connect to IRC via some network funge-98 extension or is it another process that connects?
> 1622033997 755720 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: they say that a large number, led a semi-independent life of mortals with a curved single-edged blade. its body around in such a way that it was a blade like a hell-broth boil and bubble." the bushmen say that when invoked, it is inescapable once earned. he is small, has dark skin and wears strange clothes.
> 1622034022 17931 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^source
> 1622034022 99778 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
> 1622034222 651431 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so it's http://rcfunge98.com/rcsfingers.html#SOCK ?
> 1622034238 875206 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Certainly seems possible
> 1622035093 588896 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yes, it does the sockets with SOCK.
> 1622035104 753976 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Otherwise it'd be cheating. ;)
> 1622035134 812766 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://github.com/fis/fungot/#running lists the required fingerprints, for the record.
> 1622035134 850941 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: dark room? your chance to develop your photographs!' ( brignall banks, by h. rider haggard)
> 1622035176 707520 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I do run a (bip) bouncer between it and the actual network for stability and TLS support, though.
> 1622035208 60232 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Which also might mean if it's not responding but still online, the cfunge process has crashed but the bouncer hasn't. Not that it's really happened yet.
> 1622035220 124797 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cd: orion, sirius: orion was the daughter of jupiter and juno. ( capitalized:) a constellation of the king," he said desperately, " one rest")
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> 1622035245 293581 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Many years ago when I made Pietbot it cheated because Piet doesn't have network IO
> 1622035250 229248 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder how many esolangs do
> 1622035250 333729 PRIVMSG #esoteric : esobot: "It listens for the MediaWiki UDP "recent changes" feed" -- interesting, so the bot listens to the local network for the message? I wish there something similar in web because otherwise you have to reread the whole, let's say, RSS/Atom feed and store somewhere what was the last id you've processed, and then the feeder has to follow the
> 1622035250 463506 PRIVMSG #esoteric : order of items otherwise you have to read them all and sort, etc. etc.
> 1622035309 186140 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Otherwise it'd be cheating" -- yeah otherwise it would be no point in writing features in funge is you already have the IRC communicator written in something more trivial and probably extendable
> 1622035337 836024 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, MediaWiki can post changes formatted as JSON/XML/"IRC" and post them either as raw UDP or via Redis Pub/Sub.
> 1622035373 190303 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRCFeeds
> 1622035405 258119 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I think I just hooked the piet interpreter up to netcat)
> 1622035426 59313 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok so this is a silly and esoteric idea, but what if the guy who bought freenode is, besides being rich (which we know) is an eccentric (possibly amateur) social scientist who got intrigued by how even though the covid pandemic destroyed a lot of in person communities, it also made stronger communities quickly formed online and strengthened people's sense of community and caring about each other in 
> 1622035432 62559 PRIVMSG #esoteric : general, and wanted to do another experiment to see how this reproduces?
> 1622035457 317609 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That seems... unethical
> 1622035480 148802 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "or via Redis Pub/Sub" -- unfortunately there is no such thing as public pub/sub that websites would provide for random users
> 1622035490 318358 PRIVMSG #esoteric : as an alternative to RSS
> 1622035505 971725 PRIVMSG #esoteric : socat made it possible to use TLS (...well, after updating to a more recent version supporting SNI...), I don't think netcat flavors at least generally support that.
> 1622035537 722677 PRIVMSG #esoteric : So that nobody can snoop in on HackEso's network password, impersonate it, and thus gain control of mission-critical infrastructure.
> 1622035563 230652 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Otherwise it'd be cheating." => um, yes, but there was an ICFP contest judge's prize winner that was written in Metafont and used an external command for the socket connections because apparently Metafont doesn't have a built-in way to do this, and we don't want to say that that one is cheating, so we may let it slide for a befunge program too
> 1622035575 960889 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I'm assuming there's mission-critical infrastructure accepting commands from HackEso when it's authenticated to NickServ, which may be a little bit of a stretch.)
> 1622035595 324981 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: I think it might be OK when the language has no network IO
> 1622035614 166188 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, I think that's the distinction. It's not cheating for Piet either, because there's just no way.
> 1622035645 32164 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Although arguably that whatever-that-thing-was would have been a more esoteric solution.
> 1622035657 674961 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "strengthened people's sense of community" -- I'm still not sure it was about sense of community rather than hate to Korean nation or that he had a taste to chose the word "Imperial" to his company name
> 1622035665 973299 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That thing that was supposed to provide advanced I/O to brainfuck and other similar single-stdin/out languages.
> 1622035745 443840 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: I'm not saying that it's definitely true, but it's a theory that some people seriously mentioned, and so an experiment may make sense
> 1622035747 117824 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can't remember the name. Was Sgeo involved with it? Anyway, we talked about it. Not having much luck finding hits on the wiki either.
> 1622035790 134707 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Oshaboy 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Hello World Stegfuck.png10]]"
> 1622035793 232341 PRIVMSG #esoteric : as in for an independently rich amateur scientist who isn't bound by a university medical ethics community or peer-reviewed journals who will boycott them and make their whole carreer harder
> 1622035885 263202 PRIVMSG #esoteric : people love to join the shitthrowing parties AFTER the real problems already took the place, and don't love to investigate what they were
> 1622035985 349727 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the whole point of "investigation" and "finding the roots, the causes" seems to be not interesting
> 1622036069 201672 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Oshaboy 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Cat program stegfuck.png10]]"
> 1622036127 947243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this mediawiki event doesn't have a link
> 1622036151 51684 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Oshaboy 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Lost kingdom StegFuck.png10]]"
> 1622036320 518656 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StegFuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83451 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+1152) 10Initial
> 1622036341 257152 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StegFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83452&oldid=83451 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (-7) 10
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> 1622036552 391813 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh I already started installing netpbm to figure out his steganography but has already created a page
> 1622036700 136963 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[074BOD14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83454&oldid=83401 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+78) 10Added information about 1 of the instructions
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> 1622038029 474494 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wtf
> 1622038057 622564 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StegFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83458&oldid=83457 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+406) 10added extra information
> 1622038084 103290 PRIVMSG #esoteric : #homebrew automatically kicks you while ##homebrew topic is Discussion on the domestic production of potable liquids
> 1622038087 357765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Libera is weird
> 1622038090 542017 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ☺
> 1622038208 192515 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Same founder on both, and I guess that's a valid interpretation of the word too...
> 1622038246 22955 PRIVMSG #esoteric : netsplit.de's channel topic view suggests ##homebrew on freenode is also on that topic, and #machomebrew is the package manager.
> 1622038270 990107 PRIVMSG #esoteric : What if I want to run my own software on a Nintendo DS
> 1622038275 31814 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh indeed
> 1622038339 195928 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb IIRC it's illegal
> 1622038358 721215 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think it just voids the warranty and Nintendo doesn't like it
> 1622038395 860453 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StegFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83459&oldid=83458 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+287) 10More details
> 1622038409 617097 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but I wonder if it's legal to squat the #homebrew just to kick people with macs
> 1622038487 184660 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StegFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83460&oldid=83459 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+9) 10link
> 1622038501 667357 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Oshaboy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83461 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+4) 10Created page with "Heyo"
> 1622038502 162137 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's like... they could not decide who should own #homebrew and made it like this
> 1622038555 214233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : For the *concept* of homebrew on consoles, I think there's at least some more specific channels. But the package manager is just called "Homebrew". I doubt they have any registered trademarks or anything? 
> 1622038571 357604 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: was it actually called "#homebrew" previously on freenode?
> 1622038590 898936 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas have no idea
> 1622038592 142 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I know there were apple homebrew guys on freenode, but I don't know if they used that particular channel name
> 1622038594 477608 PRIVMSG #esoteric : AFAICT it's been called #machomebrew on freenode.
> 1622038601 666250 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I keep reading that as macho me brew
> 1622038606 576711 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think they used multiple channels (no surprised there)
> 1622038610 103921 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's #machomebrew now as fizzie said
> 1622038621 403180 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Weightlifters drinking tea
> 1622038642 829256 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well that makes sense then
> 1622038665 972703 PRIVMSG #esoteric : presumably the folks on ##homebrew are used to lost people enough that they just direct them to the right place
> 1622038669 656246 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but the software isn't and probably never was called machomebrew
> 1622038677 208425 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like we used to with the other kind of esoterica
> 1622038679 860183 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, that reminds me
> 1622038682 253332 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what do we do with the
> 1622038683 284190 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `welcome
> 1622038687 294250 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
> 1622038687 857059 PRIVMSG #esoteric : message now?
> 1622038689 855499 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The software's official twitter account is @MacHomebrew as well.
> 1622038710 13658 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmmm
> 1622038723 260024 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: I vote just removing the parenthetical
> 1622038738 536305 PRIVMSG #esoteric : We are forwarding #esoteric into here, though.
> 1622038740 305508 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: ok, but it's tricky because there are copies in like ten languages
> 1622038746 686155 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: oh yes, you have a point
> 1622038756 704819 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: hmm, yeah, in that case it probably ought to stay
> 1622038763 314538 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's not impossible that someone will join in search "for the other kind of esoterica", though probably quite unlikely.
> 1622038787 659279 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess we'll seen in half a year
> 1622038810 93098 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok maybe it was machomebrew initially, I missed that time probably
> 1622038829 866241 PRIVMSG #esoteric : because their twitter is older than @homebrew one
> 1622038861 686476 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Now I can't stop reading it as macho-me-brew.
> 1622038865 721826 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `thanks Taneb
> 1622038866 489654 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Thanks, Taneb. Thaneb.
> 1622038961 929408 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `thanks HackEso
> 1622038963 40940 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Thanks, HackEso. ThackEso.
> 1622038984 121368 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `thanks fizzie
> 1622038984 812353 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Thanks, fizzie. Thizzie.
> 1622038992 442020 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `thanks brrrrr
> 1622038993 539639 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Thanks, brrrrr. Trrrrr.
> 1622039044 685311 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :)
> 1622039165 7673 PRIVMSG #esoteric : rust depends on python wtf
> 1622039200 849342 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07StegFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83462&oldid=83460 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+8) 10/* Overview */
> 1622039289 735662 PRIVMSG #esoteric : trying to figure out what to uninstall because homebrew updates EVERYTHING once in a while and it took half an hour; and I have no idea why two commands from SO to "draw a dependency tree" are so different but python is like covid here... https://dpaste.org/416M/slim#L
> 1622039641 134255 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ruby doesn't use it
> 1622039682 980276 PRIVMSG #esoteric : these are all needed to build ruby https://dpaste.org/416M/slim#L2281,2282,2283,2284,2285,2286
> 1622039709 140389 PRIVMSG #esoteric : why install through different package managers if there is one?
> 1622039727 473087 PRIVMSG #esoteric : everything installs with brew
> 1622039798 530657 PRIVMSG #esoteric : why do you think I need "to manage rust toolchain"?
> 1622039869 666463 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "brew install rust" somehow was enough to then "rust install ..." or whatever it was to install some rust program that btw I'll probably deinstall now since I don't remember it even
> 1622039922 93399 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess I didn't build rust from source and this "tree draw" command just fakes it
> 1622039955 737493 PRIVMSG #esoteric : basically homebrew downloads everything precompiled for my current mac os version
> 1622039984 948888 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://dpaste.org/416M/slim#L2281,2282,2283,2284,2285,2286,6384,6385,6386,6387,6388
> 1622039995 394448 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess this means right side is more correct
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> 1622040184 454656 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I see, "This is similar to Ruby's rbenv, Python's pyenv, or Node's nvm." -- rustup docs
> 1622040218 746830 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (nvm is actually was a clone of rvm, not rbenv but whatever)
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> 1622043470 514133 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I hoped the visualization would make the tree more obvious, heh https://imgur.com/a/yclpTkR
> 1622043540 496108 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Judging by what that looks like, that must be neato/fdp. Do it with dot instead: it'll be a lot more obvious, but a gigantic and full of blank space.
> 1622043555 618545 PRIVMSG #esoteric : btw java has made "jenv" too now
> 1622043569 984654 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: there's two images there and the first one looks dotty
> 1622043572 181071 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie dot is upper one
> 1622043606 335717 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: can you get it to drop edges implied by transitivity
> 1622043627 620798 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sorry, I think the rectangle for it was shaped too much like an ad banner and I was blind to it. ;)
> 1622043669 596949 PRIVMSG #esoteric : would be cool if there was a built-in graphviz filter that would concat "nodes that have the same set of ins and outs" with "\n" into a single node
> 1622043704 586957 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb I didn't process the graph myself, it's https://github.com/martido/homebrew-graph 
> 1622043806 409655 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ah
> 1622043825 271266 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I seem to remember a force-directed graph vizualizer you could manually "shake" to untangle it, and then freeze the result, but I don't remember where that was. That's the kind of human/machine hybrid algorithms we need more of. (To convince the machines to keep us around.)
> 1622043851 472327 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe one day they can 3D print that out of springs and you can try to physically sort it out.
> 1622043906 423079 PRIVMSG #esoteric : did I tell about the "reconstruct cats" contest?
> 1622043975 440489 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there was such contest on codeforces where there were thousands of shredded cat pics and you had to restore them; so IIRC lots of guys in top were making hybrids that you could "shake" a cat
> 1622044002 634601 PRIVMSG #esoteric : unfortunately I can't code GUI
> 1622044043 414197 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so my cats mostly looked like this https://codeforces.com/predownloaded/6f/ed/6feddc5ed6240a9e1e61b4b089c00e796bda163d.png
> 1622044070 702385 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but it would be pretty much real to process all the cats because the contest lasted a month
> 1622044097 31581 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: how do you even scan shredded photos? that sounds very hard
> 1622044142 608675 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas they were accurately sliced in NxN pixels depending on the dataset
> 1622044183 829011 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah, so digitally shredded to nice square blocks
> 1622044201 320048 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Speaking of scanning, my former university had scanned my Master's thesis and sent me a link to verify it looks like what I wrote (+ a checkbox for e-publishing permissions).
> 1622044225 848857 PRIVMSG #esoteric : All the pages were there, but there was a pretty noticeable broad brown smear exactly vertically across each page.
> 1622044229 766389 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: nice, when is that Master's thesis from? didn't you already make it full digital?
> 1622044230 117139 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas yeah
> 1622044233 471791 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think they need to clean their scanning machine.
> 1622044255 133633 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but what demotivated me and I stopped solving prematurely -- is that the chunks had resize kernel artifacts
> 1622044272 735749 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the squares didn't connect ideally
> 1622044280 838612 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there were bright and dark lines along the edges
> 1622044298 708482 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think when I submitted my Master's thesis, they asked for a digital copy, and I published a digital copy in any case. I'm not sure if that was like mandatory, or if people were still allowed to make it partly non-digitally though.
> 1622044333 135405 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so it was their fault actually -- they could resize and then cut but they cut and then resized
> 1622044337 14181 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: *I* made it digitally (of course), but even though it wasn't that long time ago (2009), it still predated their process revamp of accepting digital submissions, so the official approved version is the printed and bound book.
> 1622044358 182058 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think post-2015 or so the official copy of record will have been the digital version.
> 1622044368 430036 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: I mean in my case the main copies were still printed and bound, but they asked a digital copy in addition
> 1622044396 763675 PRIVMSG #esoteric : which makes sense, it's a pretty free and useful thing to do to ask for a digital copy
> 1622044421 307611 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't have a thesis
> 1622044422 536739 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, the FAQ of the scanning project said something about how they can't accept a better-quality digital version because for reasons™ the thing available in their database must be exactly what was inspected for approval.
> 1622044428 578320 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I didn't finish the university
> 1622044444 749080 PRIVMSG #esoteric : was expelled for inability to run damn 3km in time
> 1622044509 270040 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well yes, admittedly I also don't have the original version on public internet either, I have the version with the exactly one typo that I found a few months later fixed
> 1622044563 363693 PRIVMSG #esoteric : My thesis was awful and I kind of wish I had the opportunity to try again
> 1622044588 298594 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I do not have a copy to hand
> 1622044751 479333 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well sure, my thesis is bad too
> 1622044758 924988 PRIVMSG #esoteric : most people's master's thesis is
> 1622044785 802158 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mine especially so, I was not having a good time mental health wise and sought help way too late
> 1622044806 623512 PRIVMSG #esoteric : So handed in 12 pages of rubbish and somehow passed
> 1622045303 565625 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Alee 5*  10New user account
> 1622045423 587983 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83463&oldid=83436 5* 03Alee 5* (+88) 10/* Introductions */
> 1622045449 629910 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Alee14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83464 5* 03Alee 5* (+13) 10write intro
> 1622045633 546702 PRIVMSG #esoteric : AIUI I could put any version I like on the public web if I want (not that I think anyone would find it very interesting), this was specifically the university wanting to make their library's publication archive ("full text materials produced in the university, such as theses, journal articles, conference publications and research") include this old stuff too, I think covering all theses from 1960-2015 or 
> 1622045639 538326 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so.
> 1622045650 992638 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The FAQ also says something about it freeing up valuable archival space, which might be the real motivation here.
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< 1622046822 230896 :Guest75150!uid500518@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mdywjrmelrzpszem PRIVMSG #esoteric :So i guess everyone is on libera
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> 1622047784 772321 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: yeah. old thesis are one of the hardest to find references to track down in libraries, though that's usually about PhD thesis, and they want to continue that tradition
< 1622048111 145544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your #channel wasn't `+spimf ##channel`d by freenodecom, it doesn't count as forcing. ;)
< 1622048130 397240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really would like to know what their tooling would have done given that ##esoteric is already +f #esoteric here, but I guess there's bound to have been a lot of those channels, so it was probably accounted for.
> 1622048394 436892 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wouldn't be so sure
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> 1622049149 243746 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: they say that a hacker named david once slew a giant. he was such a shabby monk to dinner? he invites the very devil, a founding member of the yellowish linen whereof those of the triumph of morgoth elves and men were allies and held aloft the sacred icon. the denticles on its skin muted the whoosh of its body around in such a shabby monk to dinner? he invites the very devil, an army general invited the buddhist monk, mo
> 1622049177 882 PRIVMSG #esoteric : You can also have it ignore all mentions of your name, which is not going to be at all confusing.
> 1622049188 527977 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Though I'm not sure how long we'll be keeping the bridge for.
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> 1622049381 225624 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think the main argument for is, it's a way to let any returning old-time regulars (who might have missed all the excitement) to know about this place. We do get some every now and then. Though it's discoverable via other means (wiki, logs page) too.
> 1622049479 24367 PRIVMSG #esoteric : excitement
> 1622049565 582595 PRIVMSG #esoteric : output: "73 39 109 32 97 108 105 118 101 33 ", exit code: 0
> 1622049570 637370 PRIVMSG #esoteric : damn
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> 1622049636 987439 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The word EVILAPEEK_OS appears in that noisy bot's source code (in the error message if setting SO_KEEPALIVE fails).
> 1622049822 220892 PRIVMSG #esoteric : enough amount of funge code might have all the magic words you need to spawn something evil
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> 1622050287 488816 PRIVMSG #esoteric : privmsg it
> 1622050292 282295 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or notice
> 1622050431 371723 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I need the ignore list to be printable in order to copy it back to the config file because persistence is hard. ;) I can make the bridge commands respond by privmsg, I made them public mostly so that people can learn how it works by osmosis. Also, if we don't keep the bridge up it'll also stop being a problem.
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> 1622051676 542211 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Even on news.software.readers they write about abandoning Freenode (for the IRC about slrn), too.
> 1622051806 806851 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think that the bridge could be discarded soon, and the logs then being fully on this IRC only. I don't know how soon; that is up to whoever set it up
> 1622051917 263243 PRIVMSG #esoteric : imgur refused to eat these images now
> 1622051920 274935 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://imgchest.com/p/pagyvmeky89
> 1622051980 778611 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so joining them in groups gave no much profit
> 1622052054 832143 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm, actually those huge groups in the corner don't look right
> 1622052058 289874 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bug
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> 1622052881 343129 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: I expect the proposed "remove edges implied by transitivity" (while not exactly trivial to express) trick could help declutter the dot version more, since it's particularly those edges that are a problem. Though it's not exactly representing the same thing at that point, because there's a difference in directly depending on something vs. transitively depending on something.
> 1622052922 702616 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie I'm afraid I don't really understand the "remove edges implied by transitivity"
> 1622052954 241434 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I didn't have master thesis ..D
> 1622052958 753975 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: Well, for example, your graph has the edges vips -> libexif, libeexif -> gettext but also vips -> gettext.
> 1622052974 761617 PRIVMSG #esoteric : That last edge could be removed, because vips -> gettext is implied by the first two.
> 1622052983 417753 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah, I see
> 1622053017 979364 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It may or may not really help enough to be worth the trouble, and again it'd give a bit of a skewed picture.
> 1622053021 497906 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'll do that after I finish this one
> 1622053066 702505 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Because removing the edge makes the output imply if you make vips no longer depend on libexif, it doesn't need a gettext dependency either, which isn't true.)
> 1622053410 834417 PRIVMSG #esoteric : IME, in large build dependency graphs an interesting way to get still-understandable output is to focus on the question "why exactly does building X depend on Y" (where you pick a particular pair X, Y of interest), and then find all the edges and nodes that are in any path between those two, and keep only those. It gives you a visual indication of whether it's just one weird dependency in the wrong place 
> 1622053416 827930 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's pulling the rest in, or whether it's something more systematic.
> 1622053786 97612 PRIVMSG #esoteric : seems like datastructure {node->[node, node, ...], node->[ .. ], ...} sucks
> 1622053815 397577 PRIVMSG #esoteric : gotta convert it do [[node1, node2], [node1, node3], ... ]
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> 1622056147 488568 PRIVMSG #esoteric : looks like #help here now is a place for politics and shit
> 1622056196 930843 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not saying they ircops don't help when someone asks; I mean the channel looks opened for flame currently
> 1622056241 858600 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The *help* channel is supposed to be #libera, that's what the topic of #help says.
> 1622056257 947014 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Though #libera is, unsurprisingly, full of the same sort of discussions.
> 1622056275 826964 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I'm just there to lurk to get some idea about the community registration queue.)
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> 1622056552 998753 PRIVMSG #esoteric : could anyone advice something on representing all generalized circles (so, lines and circles) uniformly? Let’s say I have a thing which applies inversions to them and it shouldn’t try to distinguish lines from circles (and use different algorithms and representations: we’re dealing with floating point, that’d be a wrong decision!)
> 1622056666 539511 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what?
> 1622056764 348432 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I heard something about conformal embedding or like that but I don’t know where to read something clear about that. Like projective or affine stuff goes one dimension higher, this one should (if I’m not mistaken) go up two. And there’s something with null cone and projecting parabolas from it to lines and I’m afraid of that all and don’t want to rediscover it at all
> 1622056823 807862 PRIVMSG #esoteric : int-e: do you represent some line and circle segments in your Möbius visualizations BTW?
> 1622056861 359325 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my context is the same: I think about applying Möbius transformations to generalized circles in a safe and rational manner
> 1622056910 879389 PRIVMSG #esoteric : would we go up a dimension, I’d need to make something about generalized spheres too
> 1622056926 518309 PRIVMSG #esoteric : thankfully I’m not that greedy yet!
> 1622056954 621933 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh right I’ll go frighten ##math
> 1622056960 891992 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: alright, I'll bite. generalized circles?
> 1622056971 763037 PRIVMSG #esoteric : isn't that just a single value in all dimensions, distance?
> 1622056980 17158 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i.e radius.
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> 1622057081 786154 PRIVMSG #esoteric : rasengone: even in the circle case, we need to specify not just radius, but also its center. A line needs two points. But these ways aren’t unified at all
> 1622057120 191962 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: that's interesting.
> 1622057130 896599 PRIVMSG #esoteric : are lines not special cases of circles?
> 1622057141 450943 PRIVMSG #esoteric : where the cut point is specified.
> 1622057208 277121 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in geometries which admit inversion (like this Möbius group) they are all the same, of course, but that doesn’t help by itself, it just reinforces the desire to represent them unified
> 1622057303 890873 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well that's the thing, you can specify them by two points, still.
> 1622057316 394894 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or three, rather.
> 1622057330 932087 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but that won’t be unique
> 1622057337 590650 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lemme think about this.
> 1622057338 987842 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though that might be a good start
> 1622057342 445740 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I feel there’s no way around that conformal cone stuff but I don’t want to google it potentially for hours
> 1622057366 780206 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas adviced a neat projective book but it’s just about that
> 1622057724 652500 PRIVMSG #esoteric : now grouping looks correct https://i.postimg.cc/LmccZFTV/image.png and https://i.postimg.cc/6KcBFTzJ/image.png
> 1622057739 710478 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but dot render became larger
> 1622058100 433845 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: what if you used a space-filling loop.
> 1622058113 97965 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and defined lines as normalized segments of that loop.
> 1622058125 943648 PRIVMSG #esoteric : dunno, just spitballing.
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> 1622058544 333039 PRIVMSG #esoteric : rasengone: hm
> 1622058595 749032 PRIVMSG #esoteric : everything is either a line or a circle.
> 1622058746 655009 PRIVMSG #esoteric : BTW I suddenly think I realized the basic principle there! I read something like that in physics books, the conformal geometry of the sky sphere or something. So it I get that as they intended, we take the null cone that’s alright. But then we treat null lines in it as points, like we did with projective geometry, but in this case just those lines and no other ones. They are the points of the sky sphere, it transforms conformally under Lorentz transf
> 1622058746 854077 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ormations (which fix the null cone)
> 1622058776 748668 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and now we stereographically project that sky sphere onto a plane
> 1622058776 949599 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bam it’s the plane which we want to describe
> 1622058845 219155 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though I don’t yet have stereographic transform sufficiently internalized. It’s hard to me to work with it, to write anything at all in linear algebra terms
> 1622058859 940715 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I also opened that projective book, maybe it contains some clues too!
> 1622058931 700492 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the idea “sky sphere → stereographic projection” seems palatable though. And I’m almost sure that is what I seek; circles on the sphere map to generalized circles on the plane
> 1622058987 894949 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think I came up with 3 algorithms for the "transitive reduction" but all they fuck up the rhombuses
> 1622058996 961143 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and they can grow and shrink and so any single gen. circle can map to any other gen. circle, which should be possible, a sanity check
> 1622059009 716250 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: do you do something with graphs?
> 1622059018 609183 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sorry didn’t logread
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> 1622059056 600568 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv guys proposed to apply transitive reduction to https://i.imgur.com/MV6S0BH.png
> 1622059241 914855 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: ah, reasonable! To get something like whatsitcalled… someone’s diagram. Hasse, I think. That name wouldn’t help, though, that’s just for completeness. Have you considered an algorithm which tries to assign levels to nodes and then layout them based on those levels?
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> 1622059300 688912 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it seems that may work poorly though, conflating ways to layout almost independent nodes
> 1622059490 688866 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think I can breadth-first traverse down from each node discarding all edges that were walked on previous layers during this starting node iteration
> 1622059563 732958 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *discarding edges to the nodes that were reached on previous layers
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> 1622059676 116046 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv was it undersdtandable? ..D
> 1622059932 974795 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: yep, I was away for a bit
> 1622059956 957333 PRIVMSG #esoteric : seems like a good idea which I would try too
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> 1622060435 911308 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I prefer to not have too many dependencies in computer programs that I write, and sometimes things that are small enough can be included with the program. Sometimes there are some indirect dependencies and sometimes they can be changed to avoid some of them
> 1622060502 426840 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I try to avoid dependencies that have too many dependencies of their own
> 1622060511 231412 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it seems too likely that something could go wrong in the supply chain somewhere
> 1622060531 391411 PRIVMSG #esoteric : along similar lines, I think libraries should try to minimize the number of dependencies they have (this is probably an argument for programming languages to have large standard libraries)
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> 1622060789 676042 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's maybe also an argument for programming language ecosystems to have (at least de-facto) standard dependency management solutions, so that people can converge on a set of popular dependencies. (But it's also a *counterargument* for that, because it makes it too easy to have dependencies.)
> 1622060854 186251 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I like Bazel in the sense that it's really pretty annoying to have external dependencies, especially "large" ones (that themselves depend on other things), so you naturally avoid it. But people are trying to "fix" that property.
> 1622061056 916629 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yes, I try to avoid too many indirect dependencies too
> 1622061095 57898 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with Rust/Cargo, it can be a particular problem because many of the de-facto agreed upon dependencies are unstable
> 1622061109 522759 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and some even have transitive dependencies with big warnings saying things like "not for production use"
> 1622061126 472610 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " b_jonas adviced a neat projective book but it’s just about that
> 1622061202 937109 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " b_jonas adviced a neat projective book but it’s just about that" => do you mean Jürgen ichter-Gerbert, "Perspectives on Projective Geometry", (2011) Springer? that's probably the most relevant, but I may have recommended some of my other geometry books too
> 1622061204 829311 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Here's the full transitive dependency tree of the esolangs bot and the logs web server, on the Bazel cc_* target level: https://zem.fi/tmp/esodeps.png
> 1622061210 438491 PRIVMSG #esoteric : incidentally, apparently higher-kinded trait bounds are now stable in Rust?
> 1622061226 44984 PRIVMSG #esoteric : err, higher-ranked
> 1622061226 714738 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sometimes there may be the hope to fix it in future. TeXnicard currently depends on Ghostscript, although I would hope that in future a different FOSS implementation of level 3 PostScript could be substituted, and that the program could then still work. (It does'nt even use many of the features of Ghostscript, so a simpler implementation, perhaps called "PSlite", could be done maybe)
> 1622061251 946864 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I was having trouble getting a trait of mine to work, so in frustration I tried "for<'a> AddAssign<&'a Self>" as a trait bound because it's what I really wanted
> 1622061258 202956 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hoping to get more information from the error message
> 1622061261 538173 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and surprisingly, it just worked
> 1622061350 623707 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Which de-facto agreed upon dependencies" are unstable?
> 1622061368 740402 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there's one a couple of levels out from html5ever, I think
> 1622061374 548016 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in terms of the "do not use in production"
> 1622061382 395815 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in terms of unstable, nearly all of them
> 1622061386 808859 PRIVMSG #esoteric : num-traits is widely used and has a 0. version number, for example
> 1622061422 994090 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: yeah I meant "Perspectives on Projective Geometry"
> 1622061426 27869 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in fact, it's a rarity to see a version number start with a positive integer
> 1622061426 294899 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: also look at Tamfang's code that he used to generate all the hyperbolic tiling images https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tamfang/programs and possibly some of David Madore's code eg. http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2014-12-14.2256.html 
> 1622061478 42932 PRIVMSG #esoteric : SQLite doesn't have its own dependencies, so I am glad for that and do use it in many programs; it is common, I think.
> 1622061521 163067 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: thanks!
> 1622061533 293799 PRIVMSG #esoteric : as well as TAOCP 4A which explains a way to represent a specific tiling of the hyperbolic plane, useful combined with normal hyperbolic coordinate geometry to represent large regions of the hyperbolic plane without numeric instability
> 1622061547 396933 PRIVMSG #esoteric : one thing I would like to see is a commonly agreed upon library which does, in effect, the OS-specific parts of libc
> 1622061571 625230 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hopefully I have that volume of TAOCP somewhere…
> 1622061577 139613 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but not things like strchr that can be implemented in a platform-neutral way
> 1622061593 787704 PRIVMSG #esoteric : right now, almost everything depends on libc and it can cause trouble
> 1622061607 882952 PRIVMSG #esoteric : where the Jürgen Richter-Gerbert explains the coordinate geometry. alas I don't understand most of these topics in detail, and it doesn't seem to be as easy computationally as the Euclidean plane.
> 1622061609 527716 PRIVMSG #esoteric : a few years ago I was helping my boss debug a Haskell programming, the problem was caused by libc's stdio buffering
> 1622061620 260531 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and my boss was having trouble understanding why the Haskell program was using a C library at all
> 1622061627 709144 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (how to organize notes on such diverse topics? I will definitely forget all that but at least I can bookmark the code in the browser)
> 1622061639 674357 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, and http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2013-12-17.2175.trigonometrie-triangle.html might help
> 1622061644 428233 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I explained that going via C for the operating sustem interface was the easiest way to make your language run on multiple operating system)
> 1622061691 699997 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: ah, the hyperbolic cosine law
> 1622061713 607604 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also my grammar has gotten a lot worse over the last couple of years, for some reason
> 1622061714 722575 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm I need to invent a way to write all tree of them as one
> 1622061750 164023 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " I try to avoid dependencies that have too many dependencies of their own" => yeah, the CPAN/node.js dependency hell. usually those kinds of modules that pull in a huge dependency tree of things that seem completely unrelated to what the modules are supposed to be doing turn out to be low quality.
> 1622061795 89893 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah yes, there's stuff like that in Cargo too
> 1622061818 712594 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb fizzie I guess that's it https://imgchest.com/p/pdl7px9j4ox
> 1622061901 124933 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83471&oldid=73905 5* 03Ais523 5* (+106) 10update on the IRC situation
> 1622061903 752967 PRIVMSG #esoteric : definitely nicer
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> 1622062099 374141 PRIVMSG #esoteric : does dot have any parameter to "think harder"  how to arrange things?
> 1622062265 427675 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: I think dot's algorithm is actually deterministic, it just does a tsort and then puts arrows accordingly
> 1622062291 865952 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there is neato if you want a more complicated algorithm for arranging things
> 1622062366 5923 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (same input format as dot, same developers, but a very different placement algorithm)
> 1622062471 201784 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, this reminds me: I'm working on an esolang which will primarily handle integers, but I want it to be able to work with complex rationals too
> 1622062487 356071 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and I'm wondering how to implement the modulus/floor-divide operations on complex numbers (which I want to include because they're useful on integers)
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> 1622062527 106255 PRIVMSG #esoteric : after researching it, it looks like "symmetric modulus" (the counterpart to rounded division) is a meaningful operation on complex numbers, but then the modulus operation will work differently on real numbers and on complex numbers, which is weird
> 1622062569 565461 PRIVMSG #esoteric : does anyone know of a sensible generalisation of floor-division (and the corresponding remainder operation) to the complex numbers?
> 1622062642 853470 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've just implemented RASEL in Ruby that already has Rational ..D also it has Complex IIRC but I didn't use it
> 1622062676 831928 PRIVMSG #esoteric : at least floor-division on real rationals is easy enough to implement
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> 1622062695 225406 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (you divide the rationals, then floor to the next integer below if the result isn't an integer, this gives a sensible definition for the modulus)
> 1622062765 677954 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess you can implement modulus for complex numbers by requiring that the resulting modulus is within 90° anticlockwise of the divisor on the complex plane
> 1622062811 853891 PRIVMSG #esoteric : although, generalising that to integers, you get floor-division when the denominator is positive but ceil-division when the denominator is negative, which I guess might be a useful operation?
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> 1622063613 408800 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There are some nonstandard C functions that can be useful, such as fopencookie, which is a GNU extension. I found that it seems musl-libc also includes fopencookie, but apparently it does not provide a portable way to do arithmetic on file offsets; I fail to see how you are supposed to implement a seekable stream in that case. (Fortunately many of the cases where fopencookie is used are used for non-seekable streams so doesn't have this
> 1622063662 571615 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have been trying to work out what a good portable system-neutral API for file-like things would look like
> 1622063692 398844 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think it makes sense to divide files into seekable files and streams, but I don't know if you would want them to be separate APIs entirely, or if you want to merge them to cover the case of seekable streams
> 1622063719 846307 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there are some weird cases, like growing files, where you want to be able to read what you have so far in a seekable way, then monitor the end for new content, in a streaming sort of way
> 1622063726 129813 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (but of course there might be edits earlier in the file too)
> 1622063745 925478 PRIVMSG #esoteric : really the problem is that we have a few different things we might want to use files for, but we're trying to force them all into the same abstraction
> 1622063790 900667 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83473&oldid=83425 5* 03Aylias 5* (+19) 10/* M */
> 1622063801 927173 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think that the existing system is OK, except that such things as fopencookie are nonstandard and don't have a standardized way.
> 1622063844 468075 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: how about picking a “floor quotient” q ∈ Z[i], picking it so that Re q ≤ Re (z1 / z2) < Re q + 1, and making that order linear by deciding something about picking Im q. Then on R it will give the usual floor division and so the corresponding mod too
> 1622063844 944311 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think it's been generally agreed on that openat and friends are a better interface than their non-at counterparts
> 1622063874 511725 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It can be used for example, I have the functions that compute hashes:  int fosimp_hash_stream(int alg,FILE*echo,Fosimp_Hash*hash,FILE**fp); int fosimp_hash(int alg,const unsigned char*data,size_t len,Fosimp_Hash*hash);  (the second one is a convenience wrapper)
> 1622063943 791398 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MultiStacker14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83474 5* 03Aylias 5* (+80) 10Created page with "'''MultiStacker''' is an [[Esoteric programming language]] created by [[Aylias]]"
> 1622063961 531158 PRIVMSG #esoteric : This includes an optional echo stream, in order that you want to write to another stream at the same time while the hash is being accumulated. (You can even chain them; in the case of fossil decks, this will be the case, since you will write the cards to a MD5 stream which echoes to a SHA-1 stream which then echoes to the output stream, after closing the MD5 stream write its hash to the SHA-1 stream.)
> 1622063972 49627 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: I was thinking along those sorts of lines, maybe even something as simple as "floor the real part and round the imaginary part"
> 1622063992 480591 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah seems not so unnatural!
> 1622064005 196714 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: There is the C stream objects and the POSIX file descriptors interface; they are different things and can be good for different purposes; sometimes you do want to use both and fortunately you can do so, so, that isn't a problem.
> 1622064012 671197 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07User:Aylias14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83475 5* 03Aylias 5* (+89) 10Created page with "I am a high-schooler who loves to code! I have created these esolangs: * [[MultiStacker]]"
> 1622064016 151934 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and almost preserves conjugation in this case, ah
> 1622064021 369854 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MultiStacker14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83476&oldid=83474 5* 03Aylias 5* (+5) 10
> 1622064048 518890 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I guess if you break ties to even, it actually does preserve conjugation
> 1622064063 742971 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or if you’d want to use stochastic rounding for numbers from Z + 1/2…
> 1622064066 685584 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "round the real part and round the imaginary part" (symmetric modulus / round-division) is needed to make gcd work, thoguh
> 1622064077 772361 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think some esolang deserves to have some stochastic rounding
> 1622064091 811631 PRIVMSG #esoteric : generally speaking I prefer my esolangs to be deterministic unless there's some reason not to
> 1622064118 290952 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The source code of TeXnicard defines a "fopenat" function which combines fopen with openat, since that is useful in this case (for accessing files that belong to a package).
> 1622064141 630326 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "round the real part and round the imaginary part" (symmetric modulus / round-division) is needed to make gcd work, thoguh => is it related to euclidean division Knuth advocate(d|s)?
> 1622064150 925966 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MultiStacker14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83477&oldid=83476 5* 03Aylias 5* (+171) 10
> 1622064155 737480 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think having fopen as the main API, rather than as a wrapper for open+fdopen, was a mistake
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> 1622064196 269383 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: it's mostly just due to preventing an infinite regress; flooring an integer changes it by at most 1, but flooring the real part and rounding the imaginary part can change it by up to sqrt(3)
> 1622064206 954919 PRIVMSG #esoteric : static FILE*fopenat(int dirfd,const char*filename,const char*mode) { int flag,fd; FILE*fp; if(*mode=='r') flag=O_RDONLY; if(*mode=='w') flag=O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC; if(*mode=='a') flag=O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_APPEND; if(strchr(mode,'+')) flag&=~(O_RDONLY|O_WRONLY),flag|=O_RDWR; fd=openat(dirfd,filename,flag); if(fd==-1) return 0; fp=fdopen(fd,mode); if(!fp) close(fd); return fp; }
> 1622064223 7531 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and this breaks the invariant that the remainder of a division is smaller than the divisor, which the euclidean algorithm needs to be able to terminate
> 1622064251 55397 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MultiStacker14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83479&oldid=83478 5* 03Aylias 5* (+96) 10
> 1622064256 861040 PRIVMSG #esoteric : whereas if you round both parts, the symmetric modulus will come out smaller than the divisor so the euclidean algorithm works again
> 1622064265 634343 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: Maybe it was a mistake. But, maybe having fopen separate is helpful in order to allow non-POSIX programs to work?
> 1622064268 1579 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (smaller in this case meaning smaller magnitude)
> 1622064301 843175 PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: I think every major OS, and most of the minor OSes, have some sort of file descriptor concept that's separate from the concept of a buffered stream
> 1622064327 347580 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in WebAssembly, file descriptors are random numbers rather than consecutive integeres, but they still exist
> 1622064526 672978 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes
> 1622064559 302098 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it does break the API for select(2), but that may be a good thing, because it would have helped avoid creating an API that doesn't scale well
> 1622064707 750357 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07MultiStacker14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83480&oldid=83479 5* 03Aylias 5* (+506) 10
> 1622065221 131341 PRIVMSG #esoteric : rounding discussion reminds me of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_rounding I remember when it changed stores had look up  tables to explain. "If the number ends in x, round to y"
> 1622065279 473658 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... possibly not that relevant to complex numbers though
> 1622065322 679323 PRIVMSG #esoteric : salpynx: I'm the sort of person who sometimes pays prices like £1.99 using exact change
> 1622065382 663417 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it also helps to rebalance the coin mix in both my wallet and their register
> 1622065435 931113 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I also prefer to pay using exact change when I can, but a law that has been introduced in Canada some time ago makes that difficult to do
> 1622065522 286128 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you know how I complained that there's so hard to find detailed information about the IBM Selectric typewriters on the internet that the whole thing seems to be a hoax invented about a nonexistent typewriter, possibly as Cold War propaganda about the US technological superiority? well I just found a nice high quality video that both shows a working Selectric II and talks about how it works 
> 1622065529 38479 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJITkKaO0qA
> 1622065622 852522 PRIVMSG #esoteric : What I remember from the dropping of 1 and 2 c coins was that prices like $1.99 still existed, so you couldn't pay exact, unless you paid electronically. I think that mean you could get things cheaper by paying cash because guidelines were to round down (to nearest 5)
> 1622065661 794193 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " does anyone know of a sensible generalisation of floor-division to the complex numbers?" => J implements a weird one, but I'm not sure that it's sensible, it might be there because if you want to take the floor of the real and imaginary components separately that's easy to implement yourself so they chose to add something weirder to the floor primitive
> 1622065725 446401 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `locale
> 1622065726 346472 PRIVMSG #esoteric : LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_NZ.UTF-8" \ LC_ALL=
> 1622065750 671669 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: what is J's generalisation?
> 1622065760 989936 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's cool that HackEso knows where you live...
> 1622065764 326746 PRIVMSG #esoteric : LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_ALL=
> 1622065784 82530 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have like 15kg of coins
> 1622065792 370626 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it works by making floor(x+y*i)=0 :iff 0<=x+y<1 and -1<=x-y<1, with the equality possibly on the other side of the second condition, I don't remember
> 1622065843 469751 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's just confusing, I wonder if there's a reason for it
> 1622065848 614481 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am not convinced that this makes more sense than just making floor(x+y*i)=floor(x)+floor(y)*i
> 1622065893 193021 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think I'm going to go with the floor(x)+round(y)*i approach
> 1622065925 731292 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it seems wrong to not be symmetrical around the y=0 axis
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> 1622065969 676227 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "floor the real part and round the imaginary part" => hmm, I haven't considered that. but that seems wrong because it ruins the nice symmetry of ceil(x)=-floor(-x)
> 1622066020 365780 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ' "round the real part and round the imaginary part" (symmetric modulus /round-division) is needed to make gcd work, thoguh' => yes, because you want the remainder to have a magnitude less than the divisor
> 1622066025 868678 PRIVMSG #esoteric : no it doesn't? ceil would presumably be "ceil the real part and round the imaginary part", so still symmetrical, as long as you use as symmetrical rounding
> 1622066031 696561 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like round-ties-to-even
> 1622066045 708126 PRIVMSG #esoteric : though I will note that the weird floor from J also satisfies that
> 1622066068 993158 PRIVMSG #esoteric : which, now that I think of it, might be the reason why they chose that over componentwise floor, oh wow
> 1622066165 428552 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so I was ready to pull request the --reduce option to the homebrew graph tool
> 1622066176 228950 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "file descriptors are random numbers rather than consecutive integers" => I think Linux folks believe that the consecutive integers thing is sort of a mistake, because in some weird heavily multithreaded cases it can cause a performance penalty, and you don't really gain anything important from the guarantee, but it's too late to change now because some existing programs can rely on it
> 1622066190 317950 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and it appeared that there is some bug in homebrew that does not really show the full tree
> 1622066224 203691 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " I also prefer to pay using exact change when I can, but a law that has been introduced in Canada some time ago makes that difficult to do" => er, how so?
> 1622066270 717265 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe what would be better is unspecified unused file descriptor numbers with a specified minimum, but you can also specify explicitly what file descriptor number you want, and in that case it can be below the minimum number for automatically assigned numbers
> 1622066272 533393 PRIVMSG #esoteric : When Finland switched to the euro, we never adopted the 1 and 2 cent coins, but we had prices at that level of precision, and I'm pretty sure the rounding was to nearest increment of 0.05 (which doesn't have any ties to break). And you could indeed pay with card the exact price. So theoretically you could optimize by selecting to pay cash whenever the price ended in .x1, .x2, .x6 or .x7; pay by card when 
> 1622066278 539528 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it ended in .x3, .x4, .x8 or .x9; and do whichever on .x0 and .x5. I don't think I know anyone who did that, though.
> 1622066287 301824 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ' ceil would presumably be "ceil the real part and round the imaginary part", so still symmetrical, as long as you use as symmetrical rounding' => hmm yes, you may be right
> 1622066288 473802 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: The Canadian government no longer makes one cent coins
> 1622066318 850445 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "but you can also specify explicitly what file descriptor number you want" => we do have that in unix, it's called dup2
> 1622066337 798660 PRIVMSG #esoteric : dup2 is just weird
> 1622066342 296220 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's probably better as a separate syscall than adding an extra parameter to every call that may return a file descriptor
> 1622066349 408573 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think it's mostly intended for redirecting stdin/stdout/stderr which have fixed numbers
> 1622066355 373939 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: yes, it is
> 1622066376 662544 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: but isn't it also, like, "free" in that it's something the kernel can do easily so why not expose it?
> 1622066403 656648 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean once you have a unix model of inheriting file descriptors with the same numbers to subprocesses by default
> 1622066430 691963 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so the kernel needs an inderection from file descriptor numbers to file descriptions, with some extra state for the file descriptors, in first place
> 1622066442 248022 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: in NZ we called it "Swedish rounding" 
> 1622066444 690961 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the extra state generally being just an O_CLOEXEC flag right now, but still
> 1622066467 754337 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: seek position is a big one
> 1622066485 746883 PRIVMSG #esoteric : although, I'm increasingly of the opinion that seek position should be a userspace rather than kernelspace thing
> 1622066492 65232 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: no, seek position is shared over inheritance or dup
> 1622066496 945043 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and the read API for seekable files should just specify the byte range (i.e. pread)
> 1622066610 501764 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " I think that mean you could get things cheaper by paying cash" => I think of it as still paying the exact amount, only the coins in my wallet now represent an approximation of how much money I have, which is fine. but admittedly shops can't quite do that, they have to know the exact amount of cash that should be in a cashier's box so that they can do an inventory check to prove to stupid 
> 1622066616 902751 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fussy customers that the cashier did not steal their money, or to prove to themselves that the cashier did steal money from them, without security camera footage
> 1622066624 174366 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can see arguments for TCP in kernelspace, although they aren't nearly as large as the arguments for IP in kernelspace
> 1622066657 453072 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: is there a way to find "the closest" Gaussian integer to unambiguous and meaningful? 
> 1622066669 196646 PRIVMSG #esoteric : to be
> 1622066687 70531 PRIVMSG #esoteric : salpynx: round-real, round-imaginary gives you the closest Gaussian integer by all sensible definitions
> 1622066730 596253 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Soon all our connections will stop working, after shachaf argues TCP is logically impossible and it stops existing.
> 1622066731 450057 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: we do more or less have such an API with explicit byte ranges for, I almost everything in unix. pread, ftruncate, etc. technically you still need the seek pointer for the SEEK_DATA/SEEK_HOLE options of lseek, I don't think that has a seekless equivalent, but that's about all I can think of.
> 1622066796 844924 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: it seems like at least non-root programs shouldn't have control over things like what parameters to use for their TCP connections
> 1622066800 773258 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " And at least the kernel should give you the option of receiving and sending TCP datagrams, even if you don't always use it." => I think they do that, in the sense of letting you use send and receive raw IP packets if you want
> 1622066811 619318 PRIVMSG #esoteric : there are like three different interfaces for raw IP already, for historical reasons
> 1622066857 945328 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: yes.
> 1622066904 129352 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: programs are competing with each other for various resources, network is one of them
> 1622066926 132000 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and the details of TCP can have a lot of influence on how much share of a computer's network bandwidth each of the programs gets
> 1622066938 790513 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but yes, I think it might be possible to make that work on the IP level alone
> 1622066965 26089 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in theory, if you can make it work at a lower level, that would be better, because it would leave fewer loopholes
> 1622067030 162184 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (continuing to watch the Selectric video) wow
> 1622067050 317658 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm… are TCP and UDP port numbers in a shared namespace with each other? or separate?
> 1622067058 786276 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Separate, I think.
> 1622067061 819930 PRIVMSG #esoteric : if they're separate namespaces, that would be a good reason for the kernel to handle TCP
> 1622067077 909236 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so that it can arbitrate when two programs both want to listen on the same port
> 1622067110 522265 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: separate, but for historical reasons the older assignments of well-known ports by some acronym organization (ICANN or IANNA or whatever) were given in pairs of matching tcp and udp port numbers
> 1622067130 59491 PRIVMSG #esoteric : IANA only has one N
> 1622067146 806566 PRIVMSG #esoteric : then of course the 65536 port numbers easily ran out as people made more and more programs, and it no longer made sense to just assign a well-known port number to everything
> 1622067186 819877 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I actually check the Wikipedia article for what port numbers are in common use, when writing new programs
> 1622067190 361804 PRIVMSG #esoteric : to reduce the odds of clashes
> 1622067204 644844 PRIVMSG #esoteric : although, there was an incident recently
> 1622067217 286849 PRIVMSG #esoteric : where one of the Pokémon games was using the same port number as some widely deployed piece of hardware
> 1622067220 789419 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so we still have HTTP on 80 and some fixed port numbers for services that tell you what port to use, but most programs just assume the port number needn't necessarily be fixed, and can either be configured by user with a default or is autodetected through some other service whose port can also perhaps be configured, which isn't such an overhead if you want to configure the host as well
> 1622067233 196957 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and the hardware wasn't doing proper input validation and was crashing when the Pokémon games were played on the same network as it
> 1622067247 62211 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: oh nice
> 1622067253 990131 PRIVMSG #esoteric : presumably this bug could have been intentionally exploited for years, but the accidental exploit was what got them to notice
> 1622067314 151383 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I used to pick port numbers (for personal things) by selecting a two-character abbreviation sort of mnemonical to the thing the port was for, and then concatenatic those two characters into a 16-bit port number.
> 1622067335 980312 PRIVMSG #esoteric : also there's DNS, which uses both an UDP and less often a TCP port with I think the same number, and has a really good reason to be on a fixed well-known port number
> 1622067356 380218 PRIVMSG #esoteric : DNS servers also have a good reason to have memorable IP addresses
> 1622067366 794555 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well yes
> 1622067374 316865 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: that's how Donald Knuth picks variable names in INTERCAL
> 1622067385 64991 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but with the ipv4 space so filled, that's not always so easy
> 1622067385 156366 PRIVMSG #esoteric : except he uses Baudot encoding to fit three letters into the name
> 1622067409 318263 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: people use macros for that, though I haven't seen it used for ports in particular
> 1622067436 32966 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: TLS over TCP is *really* common, though
> 1622067450 876114 PRIVMSG #esoteric : actually I'm not sure whether TLS over UDP even exists, even if it does it's much less common
> 1622067466 684847 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: no, quite the opposite, everyone uses TCP these days even if they don't need to, because too many routing equipment tries to be too smart and check things in packets that they shouldn't like the TCP header
> 1622067475 700074 PRIVMSG #esoteric : TLS isn't the only way to do encryption, but it does seem to be the consensus method
> 1622067528 845471 PRIVMSG #esoteric : one thing I dislike about TLS is how unreliable it seems to be in practice
> 1622067538 695916 PRIVMSG #esoteric : err, not TLS, TCP
> 1622067554 985403 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bits of TCP communications have a tendency to go missing, even though the entire point of the protocol is meant to be to prevent that
> 1622067567 254704 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: may I point you to https://noiseprotocol.org/ as a nice encryption protocol in general and a possible way to avoid unncessary roundtrips 
> 1622067575 346642 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In terms of total bytes sent over the networks, I imagine YouTube must account for a rather a lot, and since I suspect pretty much no YouTube traffic from Chrome browsers (itself a pretty popular thing) uses TCP, I think it's likely there's quite a lot of non-TCP traffic out there.
> 1622067581 869255 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and so, at the application level, you're often inventing your own reliable-connection protocols (with resending, etc.) on top of TCP, which is just so upsetting that you have to do that
> 1622067592 149381 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " TCP fast open isn't great and I think is unused." => it is used by browsers these days, if both sides run modern software
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> 1622067708 69421 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I opened a pull request for your idea guys https://github.com/martido/homebrew-graph/pull/14
> 1622067862 26054 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It came up earlier, but there's a proposed new DNS resource record type, "HTTPS", which allows the DNS lookup to transmit enough information that a client can connect directly over HTTP/3 (or do an encrypted-from-the-start handshake) even on the first connection, among other little things like serving from a non-standard port, or allowing delegation of the zone apex (unlike CNAME).
> 1622067901 571574 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Though I imagine for anything "non-optional" (like serving *only* from a non-standard port), you'd have to presume it's supported, which won't be feasible particularly soon.
> 1622067915 925607 PRIVMSG #esoteric : b_jonas: that book is golden after all. Even a hyperbolic geometry dive-in
> 1622068001 772672 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: interesting, I haven't followed HTTP/3 and even HTTP/2 only to a small amount
> 1622068038 657237 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yep. It's really just the new name for QUIC.
> 1622068045 609764 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just like HTTP/2 was the new name for SPDY.
> 1622068063 353922 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ' Though I imagine for anything "non-optional" (like serving *only* from a non-standard port), you'd have to presume it's supported' => sort of, but the server could put in a fallback redirect to a longer https address with a port in it where they serve HTTP/1.1
> 1622068067 732201 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or HTTP/2
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> 1622068103 794399 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-https/ for that DNS thing, though it's only tangentially related to HTTP/3, since you can certainly do HTTP/3 even without -- it's just that the initial connection to a new unknown server won't be able to assume it speaks HTTP/3, so has to use the `Upgrade:` mechanism.
> 1622068127 379012 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " Hmm, are ports a good idea, or should there just be some extra addressing bits?" => they are probably not a worse idea than partitioning the IP namespace to three parts, one where the default is 1<<8 addresses per local network, one where it's 1<<16, and one where it's 1<<24
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> 1622068160 797388 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's like a thing that makes configuration easier in the common case, while you can still have a computer respond to multiple IP addresses if you wish, and that often happens now
> 1622068353 66805 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can see some argument for putting that sort of "initial trip" information (like whether the server does HTTP/3) in the same channels as are used to spread HSTS information
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> 1622068585 673299 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arseniiv: I'm glad you like it
> 1622068739 397959 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: Just to set the record straight, it is probably wasn't exactly correct to say that HTTP/3 is a "new name" for QUIC, for two reasons: they have been doing actual changes (not just minor incompatibilities) as part of the IETF process, so (what's now called) "gQUIC" is not the same protocol as QUIC; and as you implied, strictly speaking the IETF QUIC is the general-purpose protocol and HTTP/3 is 
> 1622068745 391753 PRIVMSG #esoteric : just the mapping of HTTP on it.
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> 1622069997 539313 PRIVMSG #esoteric : when esolangers say "it's pretty complicated" it means something
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> 1622070166 712173 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://github.com/davisonio/awesome-irc
> 1622070320 483993 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://gitlab.com/ddevault/bf-irc-bot
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> 1622071300 76706 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2018-03-12: Slack is shutting down the IRC and XMPP gateways.
> 1622071305 101954 PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow I missed it
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> 1622077891 634765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The recent PR on fungot got me excited that github linguist could list arbitrary langs based on file extension, turns out no. Has to be on https://github.com/github/linguist/blob/master/lib/linguist/languages.yml 
> 1622077891 715880 PRIVMSG #esoteric : salpynx: ulch! that meat was painted! yeah, baby! even if we can eat, and some would eat that want it; but we call it fortunatus's purse, is called tyr: yet first was the family head of a pair of offspring ( with kishar) of scaly lizards, especially those involving translocation. it was locked. he does not imply being happy and that after a slumber of uncounted years its time in the following: --more-- fury. unlike shades, only
> 1622077959 585114 PRIVMSG #esoteric : bf and befunge are one there. I was hoping for Lazy K and Юᓂ곧⎔ . Not sure there is much chance I'll be able to get those added any time soon.
> 1622078730 184897 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe instead they should add a possibility of a file in the repository to define the file types that you are using?
> 1622078851 862304 PRIVMSG #esoteric : just discovered you cat get someone's public key like this: https://github.com/fis.keys
> 1622078885 547029 PRIVMSG #esoteric : huh, neat.
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> 1622079930 24662 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (It was annoying me a lot that the logically "higher-level" headings were being typeset at a smaller size than the links to places, so I flattened the page structure to use ==-level headings only.)
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> 1622080892 41357 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Apparently works with a .gpg extension as well, for PGP public keys.
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> 1622092695 440156 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` ./🌱 4 93079262
> 1622092696 410643 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Seed
> 1622092703 451379 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I do believe that. I think they used an automated filter to do what they did, so mistakes are inevitable. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are really that sorry or if they really care so much, since those things are different.
> 1622092738 108325 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` 13 jrypbzr|cut -d'<' -f2|sed "s/>.*/wiki\/$(.\/🌱 4 93079262)/"
> 1622092740 116127 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://esolangs.org/wiki/Seed
> 1622092792 587678 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 🌱 is my attempt at writing an esointerpreter for HackEso. it's sitting in /tmp
> 1622093013 759967 PRIVMSG #esoteric : O, I didn't know that. They may well be lying about something; there is probably some incompetence too. But, they say, don't attribute to malice what is adequately explained by stupidity. Still, if they don't like certain features of the IRC server, they should have removed those features, I should think.
> 1622093082 239251 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can't figure out how to run piped befunge on the bot. bef.bin appends .bf to any process substituted input
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> 1622100082 530878 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` echo 1 2 | ./bef2 <(./🌱 4 141745954) | head -c2
> 1622100083 735003 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3
> 1622100135 522495 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is a Seed program which generates a befunge adder. The example on the wiki doesn't terminate, most of the examples there don't bother to provide an `@`
> 1622100169 549988 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 07:51:48  Freenode now has a blogpost apologizing and saying that some of the channel closings were mistakes
> 1622100206 9348 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah and they did that a long ago, but people pretended that they don't see it to just spend time telling each other about what happened
> 1622100213 703549 PRIVMSG #esoteric : to build a mood, an impression
> 1622100248 181222 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I "fixed" the befunge 93 interpreter's appending '.bf' to process subs with
> 1622100251 723690 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` sed 's/..bf/\x03\x00  /' ../interps/befunge/bef.bin > bef2
> 1622100253 138172 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No output.
> 1622100305 796119 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't get cfunge to work with piped output either. 
> 1622100336 629996 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's like if I spill a coffee on you and immediately say "oh I'm sorry" but you just spend a day telling everyone that I spilled it and only then after someone start saying "but hey, he said he's sorry" you say "no way! we all spent a day building our hate so now we can't believe he's sorry!"
> 1622100343 963220 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's trivial like shit
> 1622100453 681577 PRIVMSG #esoteric : before and after my changes
> 1622100455 768201 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` ../interps/befunge/bef.bin hello ; ./bef2 hello
> 1622100456 790052 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Error: couldn't open 'hello.bf' for input. \ Error: couldn't open 'hello' for input.
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> 1622103244 463296 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` sed 's/\x03.bf/\x03\x00  /' ../interps/befunge/bef.bin > bef2
> 1622103246 539162 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No output.
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> 1622103809 229935 PRIVMSG #esoteric : he did nothing and people went shit
> 1622103835 221323 PRIVMSG #esoteric : then he started applies measures against shit and people started saying that those measures were made before they went shit
> 1622103847 815710 PRIVMSG #esoteric : because no one will check the real order of events
> 1622103859 101025 PRIVMSG #esoteric : people don't care, they want drama
> 1622103897 790493 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so they forced you
> 1622103901 925920 PRIVMSG #esoteric : by making drama
> 1622103915 97853 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the good old "flame"
> 1622103936 726908 PRIVMSG #esoteric : why not victim?
> 1622103950 959297 PRIVMSG #esoteric : because we've spent a day repeating that he spilled coffee?
> 1622103992 294718 PRIVMSG #esoteric : any acts on his behalf that had reasons that people didn't want to realise
> 1622104034 775306 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is making coffee illegal?
> 1622104071 966647 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "he acts as if he represents FOSS" -- where did he?
> 1622104096 810374 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I asked days ago and people had nothing to answer
> 1622104137 274810 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  is making coffee illegal?
> 1622104141 164347 PRIVMSG #esoteric : making coffee is not illegal
> 1622104150 884528 PRIVMSG #esoteric : he can't deny anyone to chose anything, he has no ability
> 1622104162 619562 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so it's fake
> 1622104260 743730 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they nuked the haskell channel's ops because they put that some of their users had an unofficial channel on libera, now it's an official channel
> 1622104268 618103 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh well
> 1622104285 641946 PRIVMSG #esoteric : they nuked the spam attack on freenode about this network
> 1622104309 323500 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the attack that was lying to people that there is something that they can't explain why freenode is bad
> 1622104324 398983 PRIVMSG #esoteric : now when you ask why freenode is bad they say "because they nuked haskell" but it wasn't in the first place
> 1622104343 461941 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's playing with people's inability to think and imagine the timeline
> 1622104347 1337 PRIVMSG #esoteric : why are you going on about this?
> 1622104365 569432 PRIVMSG #esoteric : why do care so much about people that are inable to think?
> 1622104392 757159 PRIVMSG #esoteric : taking over or running the script automatically nuking channels with a topic and then they apologized and asked channel owners to message them in ircops channel?
> 1622104399 104711 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ahahah
> 1622104401 338396 PRIVMSG #esoteric : see
> 1622104411 950052 PRIVMSG #esoteric : good idea
> 1622104425 874035 PRIVMSG #esoteric : IRC was fun for 2 days but now im bored again
> 1622104442 264830 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you've already been told that they apologized for a mistake but you continut to distort that event for drama
> 1622104456 748631 PRIVMSG #esoteric : just to keep yourself angry
> 1622104483 999627 PRIVMSG #esoteric : you literally don't want to know the truth
> 1622104578 673033 PRIVMSG #esoteric : people love echo chambers where they can collectively hate things and people denying the fact check
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> 1622104712 3776 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how would it be more understandable
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> 1622105395 282813 PRIVMSG #esoteric : salpynx: If you have a case where you need a file instead of a pipe, or a specific extension, just make that file in /tmp (not ./tmp), that's an in-memory filesystem that only persists for the duration of a single command.
> 1622105399 321595 PRIVMSG #esoteric : salpynx: Regarding befunge, the way ! does it is to go through ibin/befunge -> interp_file .../bef.bin -> lib/interp -> save to /tmp/input.$$ and run bef.bin, which has been working fine. So I'm pretty sure bef.bin only appends .bf as a *fallback*; if the file exists, it will run it.
> 1622105420 118846 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `! befunge "olleh">:#,_@
> 1622105421 525504 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hello
> 1622105483 314157 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` echo '"olleh">:#,_@' > /tmp/arbitrary_extension.txt && /hackenv/interps/befunge/bef.bin /tmp/arbitrary_extension.txt
> 1622105484 59491 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hello
> 1622105494 554185 PRIVMSG #esoteric : See?
> 1622105550 876725 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, it's not strictly speaking a *fallback*, rather it appends .bf if the file does not contain a '.' in the first place: http://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/interps/befunge/bef.c#l229
> 1622105596 800449 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, *that* is a little bit on the weird side. But it is what it is.
> 1622105916 931437 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's definitely true that a lot of things don't work with non-seekable input, though. In case of cfunge, that's because its file-load strategy is "stat, then mmap st_size bytes", which makes a non-seekable file act like an empty one, because its st_size is 0.
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> 1622106983 785150 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, now, this is a scow: I've been using this bazel-compdb script to generate compile_commands.json from Bazel, but now I've got a cc_proto_library target that builds fine with `bazel build`, but makes `bazel-compdb` just fail because it somehow mucks up protoc flags (or something), and it dies on the line where it tries to import one of the well-known protos (google/protobuf/empty.proto).
> 1622107016 568141 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't even know why it's running protoc, it's supposed to use Bazel aspects to just collect the commands it would need to run.
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> 1622107528 829139 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Apparently the step it fails at is when generating the `header_files` output group of a target that depends on the proto. I guess maybe that involves having to run the codegen. But then I don't know why it wouldn't work when it works when build... oh, I guess maybe it *doesn't* work when building, that target's not "ready" yet so I haven't been trying that.
> 1622107546 589759 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (The script by and large works even when the tree doesn't build.)
> 1622107595 547133 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yeah, I was blaming the wrong thing, sort-of; it doesn't build.
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> 1622112605 292866 PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: yes, https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2021-05.html#lpXb
> 1622112701 503164 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what is "Cheating quines" here? https://esolangs.org/wiki/List_of_quines
> 1622112766 947602 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nakilon: they can directly access their source code or have a command like HQ9+'s 'q' that prints the source code
> 1622112867 410287 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb then the Fish, Alice and others would be "cheating" but they are classified as "real"
> 1622112905 450284 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or you mean the stringmode isn't the "access to code"?
> 1622112965 776228 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm, I'm not sure
> 1622113000 281534 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wouldn't call stringmode access to the source code any more than a string literal in a conventional programming language is
> 1622113055 801640 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But if I made a quine in Befunge that used the 'g' command to get the source code, I think that would be cheating
> 1622113130 362168 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or rather what's the difference between "real quine" "1" in 05AB1E and "cheating quine" "This is a quine!" in Text
> 1622113340 925769 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83501&oldid=77340 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+30) 10added RASEL
> 1622113807 436284 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can't really justify it that precisely, but I feel like stringmode *is* cheating if you *also* execute the bulk of the string.
> 1622113887 955360 PRIVMSG #esoteric : As for Text, I don't know if that's so much a cheating quine as the same sort of trivial quine as the empty program in all languages where it's legal; Text just makes everything that.
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> 1622114629 917485 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? norway
> 1622114631 964737 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? iceland
> 1622114632 291349 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Norway is the suburb capital of Sweden. It's where the Nobel Peace Prize is announced. It's a warm, dry place, at least compared to Québec.
> 1622114633 213742 PRIVMSG #esoteric : iceland? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
> 1622114633 444158 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? wegian
> 1622114634 851638 PRIVMSG #esoteric : A wegian is an equivalence class of #esoteric regulars. There are two main wegians, the Nor (from Finland) and the Glas (from Hexham). There's also the hypothetical Gal, which hasn't been observed yet so we're not sure where it's from.
> 1622114681 951606 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? ostrich-hungry
> 1622114683 109446 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ostrich-hungry? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
> 1622114684 969326 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? hungry
> 1622114686 180979 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hungry is a country in Europe, formerly part of the Ostrich empire. It split off after a famine that got so severe that they had to start eating disgusting things like bell peppers. Absurdly, this became a tradition that continues until the present day.
> 1622114686 512662 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? ostrich
> 1622114687 683286 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ostrich used to be a large middle European empire in frequent conflict with Turkey. After a famine it sort of split into Ostrich/Hungry. Alas its policy of keeping its head in the sand did not get it through the Great War, and with its final attempts to take flight failing, it ended up cut into several pieces.
> 1622114695 766010 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `? france
> 1622114696 961631 PRIVMSG #esoteric : france? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
> 1622114761 913046 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I was just thinking of these quirky historically motivated import restrictions within Europe, like you can't import horses to Iceland, potatoes to Norway, and nobility titles to France or Ostrich-Hungry
> 1622114959 517678 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taneb: the context was befunge and rasel quines that have only one string delimiter, not a pair, in a row, and execute it both as string and code by wrapping around that line twice
> 1622114977 909232 PRIVMSG #esoteric : relevant because that leads to short quines
> 1622116306 238056 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83502&oldid=83031 5* 03DynCoder 5* (+108) 10/* Game */
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> 1622117569 785880 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: thanks, I didn't know about ! to pick an interp (for all my poking around on hackeso)
> 1622117586 742045 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` \! "befunge &&+.@" <<< "7 8"
> 1622117587 898235 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15
> 1622117596 508289 PRIVMSG #esoteric : for input
> 1622117622 683205 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` ./bef2 <(echo "&&+.@") <<< "7 8"
> 1622117623 653746 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15
> 1622117722 662513 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is my 'patched' version of the binary that disables http://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/interps/befunge/bef.c#l231
> 1622117823 582592 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The historical context is that the whole interps/ibin stuff comes from when EgoBot was disbanded, and all its interpreters were copied over to HackEgo, from where HackEso inherited them from.
> 1622117861 571214 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The prefix for EgoBot was ! (as in, !befunge ...), so the command to invoke former EgoBot tools became `!.
> 1622117887 206380 PRIVMSG #esoteric : aha. 
> 1622117934 1466 PRIVMSG #esoteric : the patch is `sed 's/\x03.bf/\x03\x00  /' ../interps/befunge/bef.bin > bef2`  , which turns the appended .bf to a null string
> 1622117957 252341 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://esolangs.org/wiki/HackEso#Interpreters "TODO EgoBot, !" -- okay, the documentation does have some gaps here. :)
> 1622118011 712354 PRIVMSG #esoteric : What I was trying to do is pipe the output from a seed interpreter to a befunge interpreter (ideally befunge98), but that isn't working because the original Seed code doesn't include `@` terminators :(
> 1622118071 578964 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` \! "befunge $(./🌱 4 141745954)" <<< '8 9'
> 1622118073 31892 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 17 Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ 18 Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ 18 Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ 18 Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ 18 Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ 18 Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ 18 Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffff
> 1622118170 594425 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but that's because the wiki Seed examples aren't perfect, and I haven't bothered to generate terminating ones, because that last char adds a lot of time. I don't think b98 auto terminates (compared to b93)?
> 1622118234 590708 PRIVMSG #esoteric : IIRC, in Funge-98 unrecognized instructions are supposed to act as r (reflect the direction).
> 1622118297 173174 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (And of course the *lack* of any instructions is just empty space, which wraps around, but that was already the case in '93.)
> 1622118304 726477 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wish there was a way to annotate the stack in funge
> 1622118306 117034 PRIVMSG #esoteric : right, so the difference will be in exactly how they don't terminate
> 1622118331 441931 PRIVMSG #esoteric : because I do the ...........@ and see 0 -2 9 -2 0 0 0 2 and who the hell knows what does it mean I already forgot half of this stack
> 1622118354 354756 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wrote down some notes on my preferred Befunge editor, and one of its features would have been per-cell stack annotations shown in a sidebar or a statusline.
> 1622118365 437563 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But I've never gotten around to implementing it.
> 1622118368 797045 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The most interesting thing about writing a Seed interpreter was discovering that the seed produces different results in Python 2 vs Python 3
> 1622118375 33193 PRIVMSG #esoteric : once I start forgetting the stack meaning faster than reremembering it I just cancel solving it
> 1622118423 910420 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think there were a few other features in those notes that I thought were halfway clever. Should really pick it up.
> 1622118440 762381 PRIVMSG #esoteric : probably I would be able to add the annotation to the debugger that I haven't made
> 1622118515 308394 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I imagine that I annotate an instruction and so when it executes the annotation applies to the stack values that appeared there
> 1622118557 363820 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that would probably mean I should print stack vertically, not horizontally so I could print annotations horizontally
> 1622118566 458840 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *display
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> 1622118684 762406 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but how would you put the annotations in code? maybe some "comment lines" that you either delete in the end (and then have no idea how it works when you come back to the program in a month) or leave it there rejecting the plan to golf the code
> 1622118744 244121 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or keep it in a special annotation-friendly interpreter that can reformat the code to remove them to "publish a clean version" of code
> 1622118797 640485 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ideally it should be a real fancy text editor that would allow to annotate pieces of code and see/edit them by placing cursor/mouse on it
> 1622118809 530448 PRIVMSG #esoteric : some custom GUI component
> 1622118822 27805 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but I'm so far from making such things
> 1622118832 249622 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Forth14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83503&oldid=83494 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+41) 10/* External resources */ Revive links using Web Archive
> 1622118909 242050 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Forth14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83504&oldid=83503 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* colorForth */ Wayback
> 1622118909 812645 PRIVMSG #esoteric : heh, it's like how Word users comment the doc
> 1622118933 191447 PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe I should code in Word?... or a Google Doc at least
> 1622118971 671766 PRIVMSG #esoteric : comments go orthogonal to your code, so for a funge they need to be in the 3rd dimension
> 1622118975 854475 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's possible to write applications for google docsactually
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> 1622119053 534371 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I imagine the google docs app can do fetch requests and so I won't even need to reimplement RASEL in it
> 1622119083 854297 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but it would still need to implement some sort of the debugger that is the actual place where you need those annotations
> 1622119113 839639 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or at least the ........@ way of "debug prints" that I use should also annotate the stdout then
> 1622119172 28259 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `cat 🌱
> 1622119172 815951 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​#!/bin/bash \ python -c"import random as r;x=range;r.seed($2);print(''.join([chr((x(32,127)+[10])[r.randint(0,95)]) for i in x($1)]))"
> 1622119214 25324 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: is that a useful command to commit? Would I just cp to /bin to commit it?
> 1622119291 369592 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's a Mersense twister random string generator, synced to the spec of the Seed language
> 1622119300 167723 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` for n in 28331 835133 30029010;do ./🌱 $((i++ + 2)) $n;done
> 1622119301 541916 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No \ Yes \ True
> 1622119346 453165 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It can generate text like that which is probably more practical than befunge. I'm still trying to find 'False' output
> 1622119466 785858 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ACTION failed to google an "IDE with commenting the code like in MS Word"
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> 1622120459 842252 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm, looks like Google Apps Script can't obtain Comments from Doc but it can get them from Spreadsheet
> 1622120501 237578 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so it would be possible to write the funge code one char per Spreadsheet cell
> 1622120613 727650 PRIVMSG #esoteric : imagine writing such annotated code on one Sheet of the Spreadsheet, pressing the button, and the result will be printed on the second Sheet
> 1622120651 642642 PRIVMSG #esoteric : vertically the run history, horizontally the stack
> 1622121170 280741 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Looks like it's possible to call Cloud Functions from Apps Script authentified but only if they are in the same Project, i.e. if I make such thing I won't be able to give anyone access to it unless I set the Function to allow anonymous calls 
> 1622121239 266455 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I figured out why my random numbers were different between py2 and py3, random.randrange() changed in 3.2 . I can use `int(r.random()*96)` instead of `randint(0, 95)` and the output will behave the same. The _seed_ behaviour only changed for bytes and str, ints is consistent 
> 1622121720 737614 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` 🌱 () { python3 -c"import random as r;x=range;r.seed($2);print(''.join([chr(([*x(32,127), 10])[int(r.random()*96)]) for i in x($1)]))";}; 🌱 2 73
> 1622121724 437962 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​:P
> 1622122061 150870 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83505&oldid=83500 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+35) 10Summary
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> 1622122532 372803 PRIVMSG #esoteric : meh, the "QT Marketplace" in 2021 does not provide much more choice than it was built in it IDEs like C++Builder and Visual Studio back in 2005
> 1622122583 654042 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and now it's even impossible to find there anything, because there in those IDEs the components had previews and now those are just text items in the stupid mobile-friendly website
> 1622122653 50549 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or maybe there is the "gallery" that I just didn't see yet
> 1622123255 338858 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Literate programming" is the conventional term for when you want to make comments except more so.
> 1622123281 545835 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Though I think usually not in the sort of Google Docs style highlight-and-separate-associated-comment-thread style.
> 1622123708 996297 PRIVMSG #esoteric : salpynx: There isn't a high bar for making HackEso commands, and usefulness isn't required. If you want one, yes, you just need to put it in /hackenv/bin, or ../bin in terms of the default working directory (/hackenv/tmp). For one-liners, people sometimes use: `mkx ../bin/foo//contents of command foo
> 1622123728 322192 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also do take into account that when executed as `foo bar baz, the argument line isn't tokenized by whitespace, so 'bar baz' will be passed as the first positional argument. Many commands need tweaking to cater for that.
> 1622123859 772581 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (And as a consequence, often when you're using ``, something that would "naturally" be q{`` foo bar baz} must become q{`` foo 'bar baz'} instead. Though some commands are user-friendly enough to support both (usually by joining all arguments together, as if by "$*", before splitting them apart as needed).
> 1622124124 754098 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is there a good editor for working on whitespace code?
> 1622124132 370030 PRIVMSG #esoteric : emacs has a whitespace mode which isn't *too* bad
> 1622124815 852800 PRIVMSG #esoteric : MrAureliusR I guess you can code in another alphabet
> 1622124830 329438 PRIVMSG #esoteric : and translate it in between
> 1622124840 424439 PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's a Vim thing, I don't know if it's any good either.
> 1622124935 790141 PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=5035 probably.
> 1622124956 603295 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't think it does all *that* much though.
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> 1622125808 879386 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: I see the importance of getting the arguments tokenized both ways -- now handles both forms
> 1622125815 917990 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `🌱 2 3406
> 1622125817 538059 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​:)
> 1622125830 940808 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` 🌱 2 73
> 1622125832 194463 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ​:P
> 1622125904 617029 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` for n in 28331 835133 30029010;do 🌱 $((i++ + 2)) $n;done
> 1622125906 150756 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No \ Yes \ True
> 1622126738 96837 PRIVMSG #esoteric : seeding
> 1622126742 290150 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so it's a pun
> 1622126900 108437 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ideally I would expand this thing https://befunge.flogisoft.com/
> 1622126943 91262 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `` \? $(🌱 3 1009578)
> 1622126944 614247 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. But beware of Muphry adding misspellings.
> 1622126971 388416 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but it would be hard to make something based on it; hard to take the parts I need out
> 1622127066 589615 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this numbers thing reminded me another funny local personality
> 1622127092 109201 PRIVMSG #esoteric : that said that he has invented the compression based on division
> 1622127141 400040 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "just find two numbers that diving one on another produce the infinite chain of digits you need and you'll be able to compress the whole CD in several digits"
> 1622127184 818286 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Seed is a pretty poor compression algorithm ... on average. It'd be great to find one really good counter-examples
> 1622127207 881146 PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, yeah, that's pretty much the same concept
> 1622127228 214741 PRIVMSG #esoteric : If it's the right CD, sure :)
> 1622127300 741595 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Waterfall sounds (synthesised)
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> 1622128883 841267 PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Waterfall sounds (synthesised) => lol
> 1622128894 168189 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is that white or pink?
> 1622129432 776896 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The problem with that question is, people keep using the term "waterfall plot" for a spectrogram with a vertical time axis, meaning it's hard to find good results that are actually related to spectra of real waterfalls.
> 1622129552 371453 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Galburn, L & Ali, TT, 2013, Acoustical and perceptual assessment of water sounds and their use over road traffic noise, JASA 133(1), pp. 227-237, suggests it's pretty white, all things considered.
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> 1622129622 295725 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Cf. Fig 4(a), "Spectra obtained for -- plain edge waterfall of 1 m width and 1 m height of falling water.")
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> 1622142654 651778 PRIVMSG #esoteric : now I read “synaesthesized” in place of “synthesized” :o
> 1622142770 241573 PRIVMSG #esoteric : tried to draw those projection things with a cone with circle and parabola on it in geogebra 3D mode, and it was surprisingly neat
> 1622143594 540028 PRIVMSG #esoteric : libera's official webchat at https://web.libera.chat/ is ready. this seems like a good time to make the channel move official and put a webchat link to the wiki page
> 1622143609 921466 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie, what's your opinion?
> 1622143733 128374 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In my latest talk page post I said I'd do it unless anyone objects "by EOW", but I'm not too fussy about waiting if people want to go ahead.
> 1622143744 349241 PRIVMSG #esoteric : What you could *definitely* do though is to replace the kiwiirc link I put on https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal
> 1622143785 817277 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83522&oldid=83495 5* 03B jonas 5* (-23) 10webchat link
> 1622143820 872695 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yes, although, the