> 1623370205 978419 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<zzo38> Have you played the "Gruniozerca" series of computer games? Do you know if they will make a fourth?
> 1623370783 718974 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nakilon> horraaaaaay https://i.imgur.com/wpdljVj.png
> 1623370938 389101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nakilon> I was thinking about this for ~10 years and finally made it
> 1623370979 217892 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<imode> whazzat.
> 1623371058 188198 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nakilon> corrected shape of captcha word https://i.imgur.com/MTplwa8.png
> 1623371283 264054 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nakilon> few minutes think up, ten years of hesitating and few hours to implement
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> 1623378986 834708 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> nakilon: great
> 1623379004 438578 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> nakilon: I'd still like to know if you have more example inputs of those captchas
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> 1623381451 759657 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03HecknTarnation 5*  10New user account
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> 1623391972 173368 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<zzo38> Now I made in Free Hero Mesh that it remembers which levels you have solved and it is writing the level number green in that case, rather than red. However, it does not yet have a menu to display a list of all of the levels, nor the possibility to make a SQL query on the list of levels; hopefully these things can be added in future
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> 1623395459 507495 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nakilon> b_Jonas not yet, gotta collect them for ml anyway
> 1623395566 276857 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nakilon> Thelounge is weird on mobile. Keyboard takes one half of screen. Browser address bar, topic and input takes another half. Can't read while typing
> 1623395794 541741 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nakilon> Still have no idea why right 9 columns were not full
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> 1623396452 969298 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nakilon> Also imgur is awful on mobile (
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> 1623396980 329277 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nakilon> (better if you switch to desktop mode)
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> 1623399521 728977 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<arseniiv> I think someone already joked about ACIDIC language but I came up with yet another deacronymization: “allegedly circuitous immaterial divine instruction code”
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> 1623414096 642173 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84337&oldid=84284 5* 03ResU 5* (+329) 10Two cats, no dogs
> 1623414611 105312 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84338&oldid=84337 5* 03ResU 5* (+97) 10
> 1623414696 947349 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nakilon> arseniiv wasn't here a hackeso command to generate abbreviations?
> 1623414718 870810 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nakilon> *deacronymizations
> 1623414741 90065 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<arseniiv> nakilon: hmmm don’t think I’ve seen one!
> 1623414751 143826 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84339&oldid=84338 5* 03ResU 5* (+1) 10
> 1623414753 943731 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nakilon> hackeso needs a regex search for commands by name and/or description
> 1623414771 188619 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<arseniiv> playing FEZ right now, it’s a great fun
> 1623414974 125992 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nakilon> I feel handicated having no logs search in Thelounge
> 1623414979 959493 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nakilon> *handicaped
> 1623415074 331290 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nakilon> and there is no website with #esolangs log search, right?
> 1623415251 180412 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<arseniiv> hm I thought there were pages with each full year of logs but there are only full-month pages
> 1623415308 213886 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<arseniiv> fizzie: do you know where can the logs be searched?
> 1623415609 79525 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> how unreasonable would a 20MB web page be in 2021?
> 1623415624 410102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> I know that ridiculous web pages sizes are common, but am not sure if they can reasonably be *that* large
> 1623415864 256417 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Delta Salein Ao14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84340&oldid=84172 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+9) 10Stub
> 1623416001 528051 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07NOTE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84341&oldid=84339 5* 03ResU 5* (+195) 10
> 1623416079 820887 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> ais523: 20 MB is possible if it serves multiple high resolution images or a small video
> 1623416152 532762 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> in this case, it would be 20MB of compressed text
> 1623416169 524583 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> the context is, trying to host an esolang interpreter
> 1623416178 785864 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> that uses a compression algorithm with a really big dictionary
> 1623416179 536213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<arseniiv> ais523: I’d add if the large part of its content is cacheable then maybe not that bad
> 1623416197 575775 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> nakilon: "a regex search for commands by name" => grep -Eie "$1" /hackenv/share/whatis
> 1623416200 893038 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> it should be cacheable, although actually getting it to be cached would be a little harder
> 1623416231 750234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> nakilon: we don't currently have a log search, you'd have to download the logs and search them locally. fizzie was vaguely planning to set up a log search.
> 1623416233 224420 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<arseniiv> yeah, I meant cacheable by a poor browser :)
> 1623416273 132397 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> I guess the part that's unlikely to change should be on a separate page and loaded by XHR or JSONP or whatever, so that we can change it without invalidating the cache
> 1623416303 441871 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> ais523: I think that sounds reasonable then, just perhaps make a landing page with human-readable description of what you're doing that doesn't load that
> 1623416319 480344 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> so it only loads the dictionary if the viewer actually wants to use it
> 1623416332 229165 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> I could even load it lazily, I guess
> 1623416341 680385 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> wait until there's an attempt to compress or decompress a string
> 1623416341 731034 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> I mean at least if the user wants to evaluate something
> 1623416348 614725 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> not necessarily that lazily
> 1623416351 910298 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> though that's certainly possible
> 1623416405 63505 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> I've been pondering finding some way to split the dictionary up into, say, 65536 separate files, so that we only load the parts of the dictionary that are actually needed
> 1623416421 305427 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> but that means that each individual part would compress less well
> 1623416438 138619 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> "loaded by XHR or JSONP" => that might be overcomplicating it, unless you really want to make it lazy. it could just be a javascript or web assembly or an uncompressed image file that the page loads normally, and then access the blob in it from the interpreter javascript
> 1623416458 614442 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> through the canvas API if it's an image
> 1623416484 969202 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> "65536 separate files" => um, is your compression algorithm such that that actually works?
> 1623416491 761086 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> the canvas API doesn't exist nowadays, I thought? so that you couldn't fingerprint a browser by measuring how its rendering works
> 1623416517 908167 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> also that sounds too many chunks for a 20 MB file that you're sending through network
> 1623416550 943327 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> ais523: I don't know, I think the canvas API still exists, but if not, there's probably a modern replacement like webGL or whatever
> 1623416587 531075 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> why does my IRC client keep segfaulting
> 1623416597 180072 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> maybe 65536 is too many, and it should be 1024 or 2048 or so
> 1623416626 95653 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> no, still too many, that would make the individual chunks only 10K
> 1623416632 613547 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> I'd make them at least 100K sized
> 1623416636 269284 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> well, you'd need to access multiple chunks, most likely
> 1623416650 500068 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> with 10K there'd be significant protocol overhead
> 1623416654 972147 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> for retreiving the files
> 1623416655 20268 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> I've been looking at various compression algorithms (including trying to invent my own)
> 1623416675 124376 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> but if canvas doesn't work, then just a javascript or web assembly file containing a blob (or multiple smaller blobs)
> 1623416685 390527 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> prezip followed by one of the usual general-purpose compressors (gzip, bzip2, xz, etc.) seems to be the best algorithm
> 1623416691 669706 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> probably gzip because web browsers have that already
> 1623416692 442848 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> or you can make it XHR and cache it to local storage
> 1623416704 244699 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> and prezip's compression ratio is hardly hurt by cutting the file and compressing the two bits separately
> 1623416716 529031 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> ais523: can you decompress xz client-side in the browser?
> 1623416736 909740 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> well there are couple of megabytes of webassembly in here too, so probably
> 1623416750 33490 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> but relying on browers' built in gunzips would be easier
> 1623416755 94536 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> well yes, it's Turing-complete, but like efficiently
> 1623416780 901475 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> this is an esolang, efficiency is just a bonus :-D
> 1623416794 653953 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> I've mostly been aiming for good asymptotic complexity but ignoring the constant factors
> 1623416803 656075 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> heh
> 1623416809 353572 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> and decompressing a specific, fixed dictionary is O(1) so it doesn't matter
> 1623416824 842348 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> if it's for good asymptotic complexity then your 20 MB dictionary is too small :-)
> 1623416840 717859 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> this is the largest dictionary I could find :-)
> 1623416854 785385 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> it is 9.4 MB uncompressed
> 1623416871 991820 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> and you want to compress it to 20 MB? brilliant
> 1623416876 355799 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> (sorry)
> 1623416889 776424 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> sorry, 94 MB uncompressed
> 1623416907 454019 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> these numbers get so big that it's hard to count the digits in them
> 1623416916 357615 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> that's betteer
> 1623416967 95047 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> thanks for the advice, I'll think about this some more
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> 1623427400 336234 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Corbin> I think I've snapped. I propose an abomination: https://bpa.st/WVZQ Can any category theorists confirm that I'm on a decent track?
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> 1623432228 18728 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<river> UTF-8 in brainfuck?
> 1623432292 886690 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<myname> easily done
> 1623432312 39476 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<myname> make . print out bytes instead if chars, done
> 1623432344 906656 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Among Us14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84349&oldid=84293 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (-733) 10
> 1623432368 995694 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<river> :O
> 1623432401 950104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<keegan> isn't that how most BF impls work anyway?
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> 1623432421 711842 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<myname> probably, yeah
> 1623432444 526730 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<myname> it's harder to make bf not support utf8
> 1623432450 111964 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<keegan> brainfuck isn't limited to text data
> 1623432473 166449 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<keegan> the only issue i'm aware of with processing arbitrary binary data is that you can't distinguish a null byte from EOF
> 1623432498 175145 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<keegan> but that presents no additional issues for UTF-8 compared to ASCII
> 1623432520 729352 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<keegan> because in both codes the null byte is only used to represent the null character and never for anything else
> 1623432547 850256 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Zero player rodent 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Among us.png10]]": Logo for the Among Us programming language
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> 1623432727 295892 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<keegan> you still might want to implement some UTF-8-related algorithms in brainfuck like finding codepoint boundaries or whatever
> 1623432733 305235 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<keegan> but that shouldn't be particularly challenging
> 1623432931 904670 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<zzo38> UTF-8 is a superset of ASCII, so if your program is using only ASCII then it will work on a terminal emulator with any ASCII superset, including UTF-8. The brainfuck program can easily output any data, whether ASCII, UTF-8, binary, or ANSI escapes. I think there are some extensions for doing other functions than only standard I/O if wanted too (which is not specific to brainfuck but to anything that is only standard I/O)
> 1623432959 522188 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<zzo38> Also the representation of EOF in brainfuck depends on the implementation I think; some use 0, some use 255, some leave it unchanged, I don't know if some terminate on EOF
> 1623432995 70963 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<zzo38> Although, if you need to input UTF-8 with nulls you can use the overlong null character encoding, I suppose
> 1623433045 389067 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Zero player rodent 5*  10uploaded "[[02File:Amongus.png10]]": Among Us programming language logo
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> 1623433133 519317 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<river> im curious about the following concept?
> 1623433144 342346 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<river> consider some kind of programming language that runs in one node
> 1623433148 590494 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<river> and has the ability to talk to other nodes
> 1623433151 206139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<river> but is not turing complete
> 1623433155 744973 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<keegan> what would be a good unambiguous way to handle EOF in brainfuck? add another command to ask if EOF has been reached?
> 1623433160 47237 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<river> it is not turing complete with 2 or 3 or 4 nodes
> 1623433163 744470 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<river> but it is turing complete with 5 nodes
> 1623433173 215016 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<river> (5 chosen arbitarily for this example)
> 1623433177 43153 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<keegan> "leave unchanged" works too but only if the cells are allowed to contain values outside [0..255]
> 1623433205 970535 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<keegan> or -1 on EOF would work if your cells can go negative
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> 1623434238 59098 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<myname> river: well, you can easily do something like splitting bf programs so that each cell runs its own program, i guess
> 1623434265 429931 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<myname> and iirc bf with 3 (or 2?) unlimited cells is TC, but it is not with one
> 1623434271 483203 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<myname> also, TIS-100
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> 1623435468 918463 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<river> wow!
> 1623435485 153066 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<river> I hould really play TIS-100
> 1623435562 104440 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> 5 might also happen to be the magic numbers where The Waterfall Model becomes TC, though it's quite likely that we'll never know the exact number
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> 1623436175 109052 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> RAAAAIN
> 1623436179 670820 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> @metar ENVA
> 1623436181 29032 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<lambdabot> ENVA 111820Z 12003KT 090V180 9999 SCT014 BKN024 OVC040 16/13 Q1001 TEMPO SHRA SCT008 BKN014 RMK WIND 670FT 08005KT
> 1623436227 958638 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> hm i don't know if any of that means rain.
> 1623436268 427502 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<lambdabot> KOAK 111753Z 22005KT 10SM FEW010 SCT200 16/09 A3011 RMK AO2 SLP197 T01610089 10161 20100 58003
> 1623436791 255613 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<myname> river: everybody should play every zach-like!
> 1623437095 478517 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<river> :0
> 1623437100 178697 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<river> i played lots of magnum opus, that was great
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> 1623439097 426451 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> oerjan: TEMPO SHRA means a little bit of showers, I think.
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> 1623439831 628204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> ah
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> 1623441712 784038 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<keegan> TIS-100 is fun
> 1623441718 489498 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<keegan> what is The Waterfall Model?
< 1623443494 433965 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:e832:95e8:fb15:4682 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some clever device for software salesmen to make lots of green paper
> 1623444160 2070 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> It's that, too, but I rather think here it was a reference to https://esolangs.org/wiki/The_Waterfall_Model
> 1623444457 897267 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> keegan: https://esolangs.org/wiki/The_Waterfall_Model
> 1623444600 703806 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<keegan> oh, that's pretty neat
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> 1623449967 319616 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<arseniiv> accidentally won FEZ with 32 cubes or something. They say it has a better ending when you come with all 64 cubes
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> 1623450152 689608 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<arseniiv> I was a bit confused when doors expecting 32 cubes opened for me when I had less. But in reality anti-cubes count to the overall number of cubes and that’s even displayed when the gate opens, flashing briefly squares of two different colors, each square for each cube you have. I didn’t notice that at first
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> 1623453358 808453 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<b_jonas> fungot, was the safety pin of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch one of the True Nails with which Our Lord and Savior was crucified, and if so, through which of his body parts was it hammered?
> 1623453359 40819 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fungot> b_jonas: it's not functional and it's barely turing complete with an ugly memory model for a multiplexer and an encoder/ decoder to/ from
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