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> 1621559197 470334 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07314]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83116 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+936) 10Created page with "3 is an esoteric programming language which is a subset of JavaScript. In 3, every sequence of 3 consecutive character must contain at least one 3.  ==Sample Programs==  ===He..."
> 1621559222 742347 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83117&oldid=83116 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+1) 10
< 1621559563 539228 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :ski: I'm not a bot, and unfortunately I don't know scheme either :P
< 1621559608 46524 :ski!~ski@ed-3358-10.studat.chalmers.se PRIVMSG ##esoteric :yea, i realized
< 1621559625 667513 :ski!~ski@ed-3358-10.studat.chalmers.se PRIVMSG ##esoteric :i just associated to the Chibi implementation of Scheme (by foof, iirc)
< 1621559739 66144 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :little schemers...
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< 1621560325 851840 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Heh, maybe I should learn scheme
> 1621560645 258925 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83118&oldid=83117 5* 03AndrewBayly 5* (+82) 10
< 1621560815 465886 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu NICK :when
< 1621560824 160500 :when!~noone@int-e.eu NICK :int-e
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< 1621561143 177337 :mrkajetanp!~kajetan@2a01:4b00:ea36:6c00:56e9:4ef3:28ef:7ef6 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.1
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< 1621580635 905146 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Good morning!
< 1621580653 341579 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Haneb!
< 1621580754 595367 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`? tanebventions
< 1621580756 718807 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, the hug, Italian, the grace period, the limerick, ruin, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
< 1621580767 549395 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`? ruin
< 1621580769 990200 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :ruin? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1621580883 475689 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`dowg ruin
< 1621580888 925165 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :11515:2018-04-17 <wob_jonäs> forget ruin//ruin \ 11514:2018-04-17 <int-̈e> learn ruin//Ruin lies in ruins after a ruined ruination by Taneb.
< 1621580938 596096 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Maybe int-e meant to use le/rn and it never happened.
< 1621580938 756610 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG ##esoteric :How ruinous
< 1621580956 311121 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`? ruin//Ruin
< 1621580957 522213 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :ruin//Ruin? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
< 1621581016 802388 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`cbt forget
< 1621581017 707879 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ for n; do if [ lethe = "$n" ]; then rm -f "$HACKENV/wisdom/$n"; else rm-p "$HACKENV/wisdom/$n"; fi && echo "Forget what?"; done
< 1621581024 134778 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`cbt rm-p
< 1621581024 930176 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :rm "$1" && { rmdir -p "$(dirname "$1")" 2>/dev/null; exit 0; }
< 1621581064 593261 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :i,i lecturer in recent ruins
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< 1621584840 109463 :salpynx!salpynx@107.161.19.109 QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1621585466 480593 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :shachaf: stranger things have happened
< 1621586240 948502 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :shachaf: in context you probably ruined the joke for me, err I mean gently convinced me it wasn't worth it
> 1621593851 437557 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Categorial14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83119&oldid=81196 5* 03Int-e 5* (-66) 10Remove non-category, again. Sigh.
> 1621594575 666194 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07C = theNextIntegerThatComesAfterAnotherIntegerWithTheValueOf(c)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83120&oldid=80756 5* 03Int-e 5* (+0) 10fix cat(meow)egory typo
< 1621594653 696433 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Just found out that ^ that silly thing will segfault if the wiki is edited during a moment when it's temporarily disconnected from IRC.
< 1621594698 337114 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :// TODO: don't try until a connection has been established
< 1621594825 265341 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :hah
< 1621594839 429956 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`quote todo
< 1621594840 987162 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :7) <SimonRC> TODO: sex life \ 21) SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO): <ehird> i tan solo puede concluir que es defectuoso, o el mundo esta absolutamente loco. Todos a la gloria Il Duce! \ 29) <oklopol> anyway, torture would be fun to experience, true  <oklopol> should put that on my todo list
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> 1621602693 559169 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Fargo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83121&oldid=81584 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+3) 10/* Truth-machine */ fix
< 1621602965 201320 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN :##esoteric
< 1621603270 355288 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I think the reason that got left as a TODO is it wasn't quite as trivial as just not calling flush; I've just got a single send queue, which is also used for the connection registration (NICK/PASS and so on), but optimally you'd want an "external" send to either wait until *after* that has completed. Hmm.
< 1621603634 879022 :xkapastel!uid17782@id-17782.tinside.irccloud.com JOIN :##esoteric
> 1621607417 901257 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83122&oldid=83113 5* 03Batata 5* (+12) 10
> 1621607427 742373 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83123&oldid=83122 5* 03Batata 5* (+4) 10
< 1621607459 307855 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: leave it for later :P
> 1621607530 992488 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83124&oldid=83123 5* 03Batata 5* (+8) 10
> 1621607576 219406 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83125&oldid=83124 5* 03Batata 5* (+54) 10
> 1621607594 452130 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83126&oldid=83125 5* 03Batata 5* (-7) 10
< 1621607603 266046 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN :##esoteric
< 1621607615 575015 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Maybe the right thing to do (on the library level) is to just drop messages that are attempted to be sent while not on channel. I don't want to end up in a situation where it's offline for days, then joins and floods all wiki changes at once.
> 1621607645 679335 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83127&oldid=83126 5* 03Batata 5* (+31) 10
< 1621607660 471886 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net NICK :cd
< 1621607664 60537 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :or overengineer it with a ring buffer of configurable length
< 1621607692 470921 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Strictly speaking it's got one ring buffer of configurable length already. :)
< 1621607768 231479 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Maybe I'll engineer it into a combination ring buffer and priority queue / dependency tree thing, so that you can express the notion "send this but only when this constraint is satisfied".
< 1621607910 418413 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :It's also got one of those flow control things where it tracks how much "credit" you're expected to have, with different commands having a different base cost, and a constant rate of refill.
< 1621607953 519744 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Which I think I looked at one of the (simpler) ircd's to set up. And then rounded up a little, because you can't quite predict how it will look like to the server.
< 1621608297 755862 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :. o O ( semaphore )
< 1621608428 742225 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :"Maybe the right thing to do […] is to just drop messages that are attempted to be sent while not on channel." => certainly better than segfaulting
> 1621609533 847177 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83128&oldid=82963 5* 03Batata 5* (+49) 10
> 1621609601 593089 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83129&oldid=83128 5* 03Batata 5* (-3) 10
< 1621609618 817506 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :That's an odd edit.
> 1621609737 182297 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83130&oldid=83129 5* 03Batata 5* (-4) 10
< 1621609782 948010 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :but mostly harmless?
> 1621609849 468272 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83131&oldid=83130 5* 03Batata 5* (+72) 10
> 1621609886 384553 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83132&oldid=83131 5* 03Batata 5* (+12) 10
< 1621610060 98258 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Yeah, I just wonder what it's leading to.
> 1621610063 258864 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Ilaylevy 5*  10New user account
< 1621610078 589460 :oren!~oren@ec2-34-239-129-109.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :wait why would mussolini make everyone speak spanish
> 1621610096 495682 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83133&oldid=83132 5* 03Batata 5* (-2) 10
> 1621610117 210489 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83134&oldid=83133 5* 03Batata 5* (-12) 10
< 1621610127 766481 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :oren: too much Monty Python?
> 1621610573 477372 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83135&oldid=83127 5* 03Batata 5* (+44) 10
> 1621610591 643055 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83136&oldid=83135 5* 03Batata 5* (+0) 10
> 1621610693 649187 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83137&oldid=83136 5* 03Batata 5* (+2) 10
> 1621610716 940146 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83138&oldid=83137 5* 03Batata 5* (+1) 10
> 1621610833 834557 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83139&oldid=83138 5* 03Batata 5* (+0) 10
< 1621610920 777375 :cd!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :ACTION angrily shakes fist at user that isn’t using the Preview button
< 1621611185 356269 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I know there's some (at least two) approaches that force a preview before save, but I don't know if it's really worth it.
< 1621611264 676136 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :If IRC had past message editing capabilities, I'd make that thing collapse consecutive edits the same way the recent changes page does.
> 1621611336 695517 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83140&oldid=83089 5* 03Ilaylevy 5* (+143) 10/* Introductions */
> 1621611364 218788 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Yogurt14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83141 5* 03Ilaylevy 5* (+446) 10Created page with "<h1>Yogurt is a language that uses only 1 character to do a certain action, for example:</h1> {| class="wikitable" |+ Caption text |- ! Symbol !! Action |- | p || prints the c..."
> 1621611454 717212 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83142&oldid=83139 5* 03Batata 5* (+0) 10
> 1621611481 306637 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83143&oldid=83142 5* 03Batata 5* (+9) 10
< 1621611942 278474 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :?dowg
< 1621611942 360807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Maybe you meant: yow docs do
< 1621611967 407925 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`?dowg
< 1621611969 824662 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​?dowg? No such file or directory
< 1621611976 63158 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`? dowg
< 1621611977 406552 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :A dowg is a wise dog. One who uses many dowgs is known as a dowager.
< 1621611988 165796 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`? cbt
< 1621611989 444996 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​`cbt was the moment when bin/ jumped the shark.
< 1621612179 165741 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :how and what these bots respond makes me feel stupid
< 1621612236 950141 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`hurl ../bin/cbt
< 1621612237 916787 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/log/tip/bin/cbt
< 1621612275 805734 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :oh, of course.
< 1621612277 875729 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`cbt cbt
< 1621612278 808092 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :cat $HACKENV/bin/"$1"
< 1621612289 241673 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`hwrl cbt
< 1621612290 185155 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/log/tip/wisdom/cbt
< 1621612374 478314 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`? cbt
< 1621612375 728341 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​`cbt was the moment when bin/ jumped the shark.
< 1621612410 514888 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Oh it prepends a `... when did that happen
< 1621612521 813532 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :https://esolangs.org/logs/2018-04-18.html#lNb is less illuminating than I hoped
< 1621612699 648812 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`cbt mkx
< 1621612700 373881 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :key=$(mk "$@") && echo "$key" && chmod +x "$key"
< 1621612879 70829 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`cbt mk
< 1621612880 50052 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: "mk[x]" file//contents >&2; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "$key")" && echo "$key"
< 1621612885 692324 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :oh god
< 1621613035 630459 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :HackEso's /hackenv/bin is like one of those cases where you have an isolated ecological niche, like a small island or something, and evolution just goes off the rails in there and produces something that only barely resembles any mainstream branch.
< 1621613151 510319 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon: maybe the trouble with wisdoms is that it's impossible to tell apart the smart ones from the stupid but obscure ones.
< 1621613205 778941 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :(and of course some of them combine both qualities, smart and obscure)
< 1621613216 321458 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`cbt hurl
< 1621613217 73584 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import sys, os.path, re, urllib \ if len(sys.argv) <= 1: \     print "https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/" \ else: \     f = os.path.abspath(sys.argv[1]) \     f = re.sub(r"^/+hackenv/", "", f) \     if re.match(r"/|(?:\.hg|tmp)(?:/|$)",f): \         sys.exit("File is outside web-viewable filesystem repository.") \     else: \         print ("https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/log/tip/" + \             urllib.quote(f))
< 1621613412 268943 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@de1.hashbang.sh JOIN :##esoteric
< 1621613414 752694 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@de1.hashbang.sh PRIVMSG ##esoteric :hello
< 1621613452 678444 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon: there's url, for the url of a file in the repo; hurl for its history... and then silly things like hwrl for hurl, but relative to $HACKENV/wisdom
< 1621613455 28860 :cd!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`relcome 
< 1621613456 505907 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​09Welcome 02to 06the 13international 04hub 07for 08esoteric 09programming 02language 06design 13and 04deployment! 07For 08more 09information, 02check 06out 13our 04wiki: 07<https://esolangs.org/>. 08(For 09the 02other 06kind 13of 04esoterica, 07try 08#esoteric 09on 02EFnet 06or 13DALnet.)
< 1621613484 965883 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`hbrl cbt
< 1621613485 704558 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :hbrl? No such file or directory
< 1621613495 68655 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :not this one, okay.
< 1621613512 594886 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`hoag ../bin/cbt
< 1621613514 468834 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​<fizzïe> sled /hackenv/bin/cbt//s|cat bin|cat $HACKENV/bin| \ <shachäf> mkx bin/cbt//cat bin/"$1"
< 1621613540 801870 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Somebody explained that one to me at least once but I forgot.
< 1621613546 590602 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`cbt hoag
< 1621613547 418538 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :hlnp --removed --template "{desc}\n" -- "$@"
< 1621613574 272583 :cd!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Half the scripts in bin are just incomprehensible aha
< 1621613574 737760 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`cbt hlnp
< 1621613575 493244 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :scowrevs="$(/usr/bin/paste -sd'|' /hackenv/share/scowrevs)"; hg log -r "tip:0 & ! ($scowrevs)" "$@" | sed 's/\(\(^\| \)[<Itb][^ ]*\)\([^ ][^ ]\)/\1̈\3/'
< 1621613600 528828 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`? nitia
< 1621613601 867097 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nitia is the inventor of all things. The BBC invented her.
< 1621613610 511672 :cd!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`? Moony
< 1621613612 23013 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :moony is often named the following: moonythedwarf moonythehuman moonheart08 moon moon__ noomy computing and luxon, making porthellos and @tells a real pain.
< 1621613624 260083 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`culprits ../quotes
< 1621613626 373543 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :arseniïv int-̈e user345̈6 kspalaiologös km̈c wib_jonäs fizzïe oerjän fizzïe fizzïe fizzïe arseniïv ais52̈3 ais52̈3 ais52̈3 kspalaiologös oerjän km̈c km̈c shachäf oerjän oerjän b_jonäs oerjän b_jonäs b_jonäs shachäf oerjän oerjän oerjän arseniïv oerjän oerjän alercäh oerjän shachäf shachäf wob_jonäs shachäf oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän oerjän int-̈e shachäf int-̈e int-̈e oer
< 1621613627 885008 :cd!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :now cd and moon get to be added to the list, huzzah
< 1621613636 692761 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :ah, too long, hmm
< 1621613658 331116 :cd!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :If only I remembered how to edit wisdom entries
< 1621613662 250568 :cd!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :it’s been quite a bit
< 1621613753 117362 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`cbt sled
< 1621613754 504603 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ opts="${2--i}" \ [[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo 'usage: sled file//script'; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; [[ -f "$key" ]] || { echo 'Rosebud!'; exit 1; }; sed $opts "$value" "$key" ;
< 1621613799 11598 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`cwlprits ../bin/roll
< 1621613801 43556 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nitïa
< 1621613803 993377 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Rosebud? wtf
< 1621613828 187243 :mrkajetanp!~kajetan@2a01:4b00:ea36:6c00:56e9:4ef3:28ef:7ef6 JOIN :##esoteric
< 1621613833 586902 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon: note the command name
< 1621613848 969087 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :or maybe you don't know the movie, hmm
< 1621613855 232668 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :(spoiler warning)
< 1621613855 600360 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Tempted to do a tvtropes ItWasHisSled link here.
< 1621613857 514737 :cd!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :heh
< 1621613873 486493 :cd!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Took me a minute
< 1621613876 671765 :cd!moony@hellomouse.net NICK :moony
< 1621613926 597322 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :https://xkcd.com/109/
< 1621613940 461341 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :int-e: Oh no, I don't want to be a ruiner of jokes.
< 1621613960 114636 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :wtf
< 1621614003 858097 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :No command line tool is complete without a sense of humor
< 1621614006 916946 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Oh wow. https://www.irc.com/lets-take-irc-further
< 1621614020 655928 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I can't tell if it's the world becomes crazier every year or is it me
< 1621614022 257344 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :moony: every unix program will evolve until it can read email
< 1621614061 730725 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :humor@unix.tools
< 1621614083 4377 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :(followup: rm -rf /var/spool/mail  = read mail, really fast)
< 1621614085 23204 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :(Sadly not a real domain)
< 1621614126 856391 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`` cbt rnooodl  # speaking of obsolete nonsense
< 1621614127 408968 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :"However it happened, this person who I will never know, spent an hour teaching me how to use IRC."
< 1621614128 135291 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :perl -pe 's/([Nn])ooodl/"$1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge'
< 1621614135 858366 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :yeah there was a time when people were open to be taught
< 1621614195 577513 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Hackego’s bin is treasure trove of random silly things from across time
< 1621614249 878272 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: Well, the generalized version is not obsolete.
< 1621614260 333273 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`dobg rnooodl
< 1621614262 231075 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :8518:2016-06-17 <oerjän> ` hg cat -r 5060d5af0b98 bin/rnooodl >bin/rnooodl \ 8202:2016-05-29 <shachäf> sed -i s/w/wW/ bin/rnooodl \ 8198:2016-05-29 <oerjän> mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe \'s/([^w\\W])\\1\\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge\' \ 8197:2016-05-29 <oerjän> mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe \'s/([^w\\w])\\1\\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge\' \ 8196:2016-05-29 <oerjän> mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe \'s/(\\w)\\1\\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge\' \ 8195:2016-05-29 <oerja
< 1621614298 214346 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :shachaf may be better at explaining the finer points of bin/ etymology
< 1621614345 626019 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Hm, I don’t remember, there’s a way for a command to figure out what user is running it correct?
< 1621614360 273852 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`whoami
< 1621614361 16821 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :int-e
< 1621614369 973582 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`cbt whoami
< 1621614370 833123 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :echo -n $IRC_NICK; if [[ "$1" == "-v" && -n "$IRC_IDENT" ]]; then echo -n "!$IRC_IDENT"; if [[ -n "$IRC_HOST" ]]; then echo -n "@$IRC_HOST"; fi; fi; echo
< 1621614389 404987 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Ah yep there we to
< 1621614392 87604 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :*go
< 1621614425 32943 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`` env | grep ^IRC | paste
< 1621614426 324373 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/paste/paste.2156
< 1621614440 501866 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`cbt paste
< 1621614441 276103 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ if [ "$1" ] && url "$1" 2>/dev/null # Save making a file when it already exists. \ then \     true \ else \     PASTENUM="$RANDOM" \  \     mkdir -p $HACKENV/tmp/paste \  \     url $HACKENV/tmp/paste/paste."$PASTENUM" \     cat -- "${1--}" > $HACKENV/tmp/paste/paste."$PASTENUM" \ fi
< 1621614465 209484 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`` echo $IRC_MESSAGE  # laziest quine
< 1621614466 68397 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​`` echo $IRC_MESSAGE # laziest quine
< 1621614470 239233 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :omg we even have a pastebin
< 1621614477 251292 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :i have some ideas again but I’m on phone which is a terrible place to do shell scripting
< 1621614478 491106 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Oh no, the whitespace got lost in there.
< 1621614495 848928 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Well, collapsed, not lost.
< 1621614550 165365 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`` echo "$IRC_MESSAGE"  # laziest quine
< 1621614551 112439 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​`` echo "$IRC_MESSAGE"  # laziest quine
< 1621614582 880799 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :(just checking, I was only 99% sure)
< 1621614808 945824 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :So I used to think of "quine just literally reading the program code" and "quine doing it properly" as very distinct classes, with the former one cheating.
< 1621614828 511912 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :But then I was thinking about writing a .COM program which is also a quine.
< 1621614844 634309 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :And in that situation the line is much more blurry.
< 1621614970 380046 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :von Neumann quines vs. Harvard quines.
< 1621615052 481648 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Right.
< 1621615138 332051 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`env
< 1621615139 380631 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :PATH=/hackenv/bin:/usr/bin:/bin \ TERM=linux \ HOME=/tmp \ HACKENV=/hackenv \ IRC_NICK=b_jonas \ IRC_IDENT=~x \ IRC_HOST=catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu \ IRC_COMMAND=PRIVMSG \ IRC_TARGET=##esoteric \ IRC_MESSAGE=`env \ http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128 \ LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8
< 1621615193 577792 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: for the future when we might own #esoteric on libera, you should consider to add an env-var to distinguish chat networks (sorry)
< 1621615280 906282 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :"HackEso's /hackenv/bin is like one of those cases where you have an isolated ecological niche, like a small island or something, and evolution just goes off the rails in there and produces something that only barely resembles any mainstream branch." => yeah. and I live in the continent and don't eat kangaroo meat.
< 1621615294 207283 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN :##esoteric
< 1621615328 298944 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :That's a pretty short environment. And yeah. Although I'm still partial to the boring `#esolangs` name (sorry).
< 1621615361 296805 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Wait, this channel is about esoteric languages?
< 1621615384 671968 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I thought this was just a chat room, since when were funny looking languages involve
< 1621615429 428681 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :"<nakilon> I can't tell if it's the world becomes crazier every year or is it me" => possibly both
> 1621615453 1077 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Eek!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83144&oldid=83022 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (-464) 10
< 1621615547 211944 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: I'm fine with #esolangs as long as we redirect #esoteric there for discoverability
< 1621615578 763173 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :we have seen users return to #esoteric after years of absence, and if there are such in the future, they will look for #esoteric on libera and freenode
< 1621615643 468971 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`mkx bin/rasel//echo "$@" | rasel
< 1621615644 494950 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :bin/rasel
< 1621615672 668967 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :moony: the funny looking languages are involved by being collected on the wiki as a public service to keep terrible articles away from wikipedia. we are the heirs of Intercal and so we clean up our own garbage.
< 1621615694 188090 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`rasel 'A"!dlroW ,olleH">:?@,Hj'
< 1621615694 853639 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :rasel? No such file or directory
< 1621615700 717759 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :hm
< 1621615719 230893 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`mkx bin/rasel//echo "$@" | ./rasel
< 1621615720 57972 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :bin/rasel
< 1621615727 687998 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`rasel 'A"!dlroW ,olleH">:?@,Hj'
< 1621615728 454126 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :rasel? No such file or directory
< 1621615734 144985 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Ahaha yes, I’ve had to clean people’s so langs off of wikipedia
< 1621615750 762251 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :autocorreeccccccctttttttt! Stop that
< 1621615786 474730 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`mkx bin/rasel//echo "$@" | ​/hackenv/tmp/rasel
< 1621615787 307023 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :bin/rasel
< 1621615791 664359 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`rasel 'A"!dlroW ,olleH">:?@,Hj'
< 1621615792 359555 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :rasel? No such file or directory
< 1621615814 163063 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I'm doing smth wrong
< 1621615918 959097 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`cat bin/rasel 
< 1621615919 728891 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :cat: 'bin/rasel ': No such file or directory
< 1621615926 888832 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :spaceeee
< 1621615933 71621 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`cat bin/rasel
< 1621615933 834291 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :echo "$@" | ​/hackenv/tmp/rasel
< 1621615939 748386 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`rasel
< 1621615940 462027 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :rasel? No such file or directory
< 1621615949 410314 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`ls
< 1621615950 269865 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :a.out \ asmbf-1.2.7 \ banana.txt \ bfi \ bin \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ egel-master \ egel-scripts \ egel.zip \ eGtbSgN68aHU \ just \ karma \ le \ olist.new \ output.b \ paste \ pd \ pd.c \ program \ rasel \ rasel_files \ rasel.jar \ spline \ spout \ test \ test.sh \ this.py \ tmp \ wisdomls.txt
< 1621615971 154543 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`pwd
< 1621615971 900575 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​/hackenv/tmp
< 1621616066 848789 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`mkx /hackenv/bin/rasel//echo “$@“ | /hackenv/tmp/rasel
< 1621616068 217647 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :``rasel 'A"!dlroW ,olleH">:?@,Hj'
< 1621616069 209279 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/rasel
< 1621616069 920646 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​`rasel? No such file or directory
< 1621616075 997549 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`rasel
< 1621616076 994819 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :No output.
< 1621616090 925943 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :there
< 1621616126 550387 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`rasel 'A"!dlroW ,olleH">:?@,Hj'
< 1621616127 604794 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :No output.
< 1621616180 207059 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon: try without apostrophes
< 1621616199 685769 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :oh moony's autocomplete
< 1621616221 457374 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`mkx /hackenv/bin/rasel//echo "$@" | /hackenv/tmp/rasel
< 1621616223 601933 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/rasel
< 1621616230 141094 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`rasel 'A"!dlroW ,olleH">:?@,Hj'
< 1621616231 188686 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :No output.
< 1621616241 955925 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`` rasel 'A"!dlroW ,olleH">:?@,Hj'
< 1621616243 37432 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Hello, World!
< 1621616257 929399 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`rasel A"!dlroW ,olleH">:?@,Hj
< 1621616258 952564 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Hello, World!
< 1621616259 841221 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :oh finally
< 1621616277 480947 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :thanks guys
< 1621616280 384034 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :and you might want to install to a permanent directory in /hackenv/lib or something, not /hackenv/tmp
< 1621616313 934952 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :is there a hackenv/lib?
< 1621616343 791678 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`ls hackenv/lib
< 1621616344 713191 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :ls: cannot access 'hackenv/lib': No such file or directory
< 1621616347 756224 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`ls /hackenv/lib
< 1621616348 621205 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :c++decl \ cdecl \ frink \ frink.jar \ interp \ karma \ kps \ morse-decode \ p7zip-16.02
< 1621616388 213554 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :and a share too. but no libexec yet.
> 1621616407 71190 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Eek!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83145&oldid=83144 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+50) 10
< 1621616446 374565 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :there's also an ibin, which is a relic of EgoBot's legacy
< 1621616471 316480 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :and an interps
> 1621616483 625437 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Eek!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83146&oldid=83145 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+41) 10
< 1621616489 187308 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I think interps is the lib directory for where ibin is the bin directory, or maybe backwards
< 1621616505 82360 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :yeah, ibin is the bin, interps is the lib
< 1621616510 199436 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :this is beyond my understanding
< 1621616561 119145 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon: /hackenv/tmp is not version controlled, and may be purged once every few years. it's useful for temporary stuff that survives between commands, but probably not the best for a permanent installation
< 1621616581 908985 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon: /hackenv/lib and /hackenv/share are useful for when you want to install something permanently and it's more than just an executable in /hackenv/bin
< 1621616613 685461 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :/hackenv/lib and /hackenv/share and /hackenv/bin are version-controlled, and you can have something from /hackenv/bin refer to additional files in /hackenv/lib or /hackenv/share
< 1621616652 591851 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :What is this rasel thing, though?
< 1621616674 655269 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :shachaf: some befunge-like language that nakilon is making https://esolangs.org/wiki/Rasel
< 1621616685 987133 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :an anagram of laser
< 1621616739 387608 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`python3 -cprint(sorted("laser")==sorted("rasel"))
< 1621616740 332853 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :True
< 1621616749 180556 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :int-e lol
< 1621616786 193688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`python3 -cprint(sorted("release")==sorted("rasel"))
< 1621616787 337754 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :False
< 1621616809 567499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :b_jonas: that's the enterprise edition
< 1621616824 615349 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :(raselEE)
< 1621616831 582218 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :yeah
< 1621616877 34536 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`mv /hackenv/tmp/rasel_files /hackenv/lib/rasel_gem
< 1621616877 770011 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :mv: missing destination file operand after '/hackenv/tmp/rasel_files /hackenv/lib/rasel_gem' \ Try 'mv --help' for more information.
< 1621616898 905374 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :``mv /hackenv/tmp/rasel_files /hackenv/lib/rasel_gem
< 1621616899 752137 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​`mv? No such file or directory
< 1621616904 970116 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon: start with "`` "
< 1621616905 725043 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :ffuuuuu
< 1621616907 241961 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Add a space
< 1621616909 902549 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :you need the space too
< 1621616913 115775 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`` mv /hackenv/tmp/rasel_files /hackenv/lib/rasel_gem
< 1621616915 864642 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :mv: cannot stat '/hackenv/tmp/rasel_files': No such file or directory
< 1621616924 780898 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :it's gone already lol
< 1621616927 981399 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`cbt `
< 1621616928 996932 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ cmd="${@-quote}" \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$cmd" | rnooodl
< 1621616950 821432 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`` is just like `cbt , a command we wrote to have more fun
< 1621616952 700760 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :why is rnooodl in there
< 1621616960 20613 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`ls ../tmp
< 1621616961 40755 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :a.out \ asmbf-1.2.7 \ banana.txt \ bfi \ bin \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ egel-master \ egel-scripts \ egel.zip \ eGtbSgN68aHU \ just \ karma \ le \ olist.new \ output.b \ paste \ pd \ pd.c \ program \ rasel \ spline \ spout \ test \ test.sh \ this.py \ tmp \ wisdomls.txt
< 1621616962 119162 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Oh, nice, someone fell into that trap again.
< 1621616990 925741 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :trap?
< 1621616992 680870 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`? trap
< 1621617019 43716 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Where trying to mv a file out of tmp/ just permanently deletes it.
< 1621617031 159731 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nice
< 1621617051 920753 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :oh. right.
< 1621617059 215588 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I did forget about that.
< 1621617069 590925 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`ls /hackenv/lib
< 1621617083 413636 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :hackeso?
< 1621617094 577188 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :shachaf: does that apply here though? /lib is not in the repo, is it?
< 1621617101 961719 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Somebody forgot to feed the mouse again
< 1621617106 637181 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :so we just shouldn't trust the error message
< 1621617112 891195 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :It's not?
< 1621617125 387106 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I thought everything in /hackenv is checked in except for tmp/ (which is in .hgignore).
< 1621617143 387850 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :oh I guess it is
< 1621617150 124291 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :then, sigh.
< 1621617153 770556 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :hopefully nakilon has a backup for the interpreter, he didn't just develop it in /hackenv/tmp with no other copies, because that would be so last century
< 1621617174 988272 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :yeah it's just a copy from github
< 1621617183 665251 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :What a great trap.
< 1621617194 495824 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :is hackeso alive?
< 1621617207 664651 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`echo gpKsgvhcHI8y
< 1621617210 635534 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :It is, but the mouse went unfed
< 1621617214 221128 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :not since that `ls ../tmp
< 1621617218 751949 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :someone get the cheese
< 1621617230 493817 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :b_jonas: can you add a recognizable but rare string to those so that I can ignore them, please
< 1621617232 456842 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :It was also not responding to my queries a little before that.
< 1621617249 398970 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :int-e: I guess I should make a command then
< 1621617262 580473 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :or maybe ping is already there
< 1621617281 612547 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I'll check when HackEso reappears
< 1621617316 260818 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: is there anything about `ls ../tmp  that would hang hackeso?
< 1621617361 492589 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :bot really dislikes my language
< 1621617369 787635 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :it deleted it and stopped talking
< 1621617387 502395 :jinn!~jinn@d.jinn.army PRIVMSG ##esoteric :i'm right here what are u on about?
< 1621617399 160855 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Give it a minute and it’ll throw an out of cheese error. Nothing wrong with your language:)
< 1621617404 947121 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :the web interface seems to be alive
< 1621617429 334224 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :b_jonas: well, so is the other instance on freenode
< 1621617443 856746 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :oh
< 1621617459 345421 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :then it's just one of those cases where the IRC connection half-breaks
< 1621617473 237786 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :half?
< 1621617482 999955 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :it can half-break in multiple ways
< 1621617491 630463 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :if it just breaks completely, that's easy, the irc client would just reconnect
< 1621617544 492828 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :it's 10 minutes already, IRC had to drop him long ago
< 1621617555 442331 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :but I've seen cases where the server pretended that it broke and gave a timeout message, and cases where the connection definitely broke but there was some bug in my bot why it wouldn't restart and I couldn never debug why that was, or it could break in just one of the two duplex directions
< 1621617562 754290 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :or still be alive but with huge lag
< 1621617585 346393 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :or appear to be alive but not respond to anything so you have to wait for a long timeout
< 1621617604 254349 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :int-e: Hmm. Nothing obvious, at least.
< 1621617606 315956 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1621617606 574998 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1621617614 16221 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Oh
< 1621617627 677510 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :network trouble, fine
< 1621617630 732056 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :those two bot instances should work like a cluster and be able to restart each other
< 1621617657 187850 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi JOIN :##esoteric
< 1621617665 843534 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`bot
< 1621617666 222192 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`ping
< 1621617667 492543 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :bot? No such file or directory
< 1621617667 531860 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :pong
< 1621617669 952981 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :oh, where was it connected to? only he and some guy were splitted away
< 1621617712 126357 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :It connects to whatever irc.libera.chat happens to give it.
< 1621617766 38711 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I've been keeping an eye on https://netsplit.de/servers/?net=Libera.Chat and the new network's been sprouting up servers like mushrooms in the rain. (Is that also an English idiom, or just a local one?)
< 1621617813 959208 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/spring+up+like+mushrooms ...no rain
< 1621617819 49047 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :mushrooms after rain in Russian
< 1621617846 425598 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :like mushrooms from the ground in german
> 1621617893 842891 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Eek!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83147&oldid=83146 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+493) 10
< 1621617909 575902 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :It's "sieniä sateella" in Finnish, and the adessive case (-lla) there doesn't really obviously translate to a specific English preposition, especially in that context.
< 1621617919 430455 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :But mushrooms and rain are both definitely in it.
< 1621617942 66022 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.7.2+deb3 - https://znc.in
< 1621617954 887755 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :well, you *are* close to russia
< 1621617957 223068 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN :##esoteric
< 1621617960 548949 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Hopefully they name their least reliable server Iron
< 1621617963 213249 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@81.4.121.116 JOIN :##esoteric
< 1621617987 914143 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Sturdy ‘til it’s not
< 1621618004 336408 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :int-e not sure what you mean
< 1621618022 316973 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I'm 15km away from Lenin's body
< 1621618033 331164 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon: nordic countries
< 1621618038 709858 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon: I was replying to fizzie 
< 1621618063 528788 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :oh sry, have a highlight on "Russia" in client settings
< 1621618155 242746 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@81.4.121.116 QUIT :Changing host
< 1621618155 282036 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan JOIN :##esoteric
< 1621618172 87086 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan QUIT :Client Quit
< 1621618190 158943 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan JOIN :##esoteric
< 1621618283 881971 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :btw not sure how but it looks like my files aren't gone and were successfully moved there
< 1621618326 9100 :FreeFull!~freefull@37-247-94-203.natip.skydsl.eu JOIN :##esoteric
< 1621618437 237062 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :so they aren't under version control after all
< 1621618461 906586 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan QUIT :Client Quit
< 1621618477 213141 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan JOIN :##esoteric
< 1621618481 354965 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :``` sed 's/pong/pong "$@"/' /hackenv/bin/ping
< 1621618482 407826 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ echo pong "$@"
< 1621618493 808065 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Weeeeird.
< 1621618496 109504 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I'm confused.
< 1621618504 352014 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Is there some sort of a global ignore file somewhere for _gem directories or what? 
< 1621618506 88201 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`ping jrFZt8j4_LHE # int-e: I'll try to remember to use ping instead of echo, but I'll probably forget
< 1621618507 915739 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :pong
< 1621618518 576916 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Because that's the only thing that comes to mind that would explain it.
< 1621618546 981570 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: can't there be a local .hgignore file, or maybe hg reading gitignore files or something? 
< 1621618575 504074 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :There is a local .hgignore file, but the only thing in it is ^tmp/
< 1621618590 28344 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`ls /hackenv/lib | paste
< 1621618590 871798 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :ls: cannot access '/hackenv/lib | paste': No such file or directory
< 1621618592 967753 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`` ls /hackenv/lib | paste
< 1621618594 290496 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/paste/paste.6848
< 1621618596 442689 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: yes, but I mean a local one in the rasel package
< 1621618655 588945 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :this won't end well
< 1621618655 945180 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :``` find /hackenv/lib/rasel_gem -ls # it seems like only the directories exist, nothing under them
< 1621618656 859910 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :​  1309820      4 drwxr-xr-x   4 1000     1000         4096 Feb  3 11:42 /hackenv/lib/rasel_gem \   1310481      4 drwxr-xr-x   2 1000     1000         4096 May 21 17:08 /hackenv/lib/rasel_gem/lib \   1309888      4 drwxr-xr-x   2 1000     1000         4096 May 21 17:08 /hackenv/lib/rasel_gem/bin
< 1621618662 437979 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon: ^
< 1621618669 60558 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :ah, only files are tracked
< 1621618674 530413 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :that makes sense
< 1621618677 767258 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :oh! 
< 1621618692 989075 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :then we can sneakily store non-version-controlled data in directory structures
< 1621618696 518835 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :or am I mixing up hg and git there
< 1621618749 217198 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Oh, it's only directories.
< 1621618765 119818 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Yeah, I think that's the case.
< 1621618777 453435 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Anyone verified that this network’s IRP interpreter is functional?
< 1621618784 216223 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :And yes, I guess it's also a new way of gaming the system.
< 1621618877 167067 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon: basically, every command is run twice, with a fresh checkout inbetween. so the first mv takes, but the second time around, the /tmp directory is gone and you get an error... and nothing gets committed
< 1621618886 515420 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I'm struggling to remember why.
< 1621618893 526856 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Why what?
< 1621618899 237772 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :(I just did, IRP survived the move!)
< 1621618909 806213 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :why there are two stages
< 1621618923 735095 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :what does "In another world:" mean in HackEso's response?
< 1621618931 32562 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I think it runs each command twice because most commands are read-only, so it speculatively tries in read-only mode first.
< 1621618939 758019 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :int-e: only commands that write anything to version-controlled get ran twice, and it's to be able to run multiple commands that don't write anything to version-controlled in parallel but serialize commands that do write there
< 1621618956 48694 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I mean, in the mode where it doesn't lock the repository/serialize/whatever for changes, or something.
< 1621618960 587779 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :b_jonas: concurrent execution, thanks. that was it
< 1621618972 945166 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Yeah, it's got shared read locks and exclusive write locks.
< 1621618987 877663 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :poor person's RW lock
< 1621618988 322992 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :int-e: jevalbot does not have such locking, and if you run two commands that try to write state in parallel, then the output of one of them may be lost
< 1621618992 973209 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nvm
< 1621619026 951639 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :"In another world" means roughly "outside /hackenv", meaning there's no web URL available to access that path.
< 1621619048 112465 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :It might also have some subtlety around /hackenv/tmp, which has a web window but no version history.
> 1621619193 492695 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Eek!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83148&oldid=83147 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+2) 10
< 1621619215 917561 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie my mistake was "/hackeso/" instead of "/hackenv/"
< 1621619229 300324 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I'm not used to "window" being used that way. it already has other technical meanings which is why we don't do so.
> 1621619239 672693 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07PaRappa14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83149 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+3311) 10Created page with "'''PaRappa''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] that is based on the rhythm game "PaRappa The Rapper". The code is meant to look like the gameplay. It is nearly identica..."
> 1621619326 669224 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Zero player rodent14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83150&oldid=83023 5* 03Zero player rodent 5* (+15) 10
> 1621619545 388707 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03E97m2813flz1a 5*  10New user account
< 1621619664 880659 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :`rasel A"!dlroW ,olleH">:?@,Hj
< 1621619665 899169 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Hello, World!
> 1621619900 10658 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83151&oldid=83140 5* 03E97m2813flz1a 5* (+129) 10Introduce myself
< 1621619986 139717 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :that nick is not inspiring confidence
< 1621620053 860385 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :b_jonas: Yeah, I just couldn't come up with a better word on the spot. Web browser? No. Web endpoint, web interface? Maybe. Web view? Nah. Web expositor? Uh, well.
< 1621620060 599899 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :is it moony?
< 1621620089 443324 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Oh no that’s probably MichaelRaskin
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< 1621620190 672681 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :well whoever it is first has to figure out the instructions on the introduction page :P
< 1621620210 371688 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :from the language name and first words of description I imagined something different
< 1621620238 365537 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :smth like distributed computing over IRC clients
< 1621620248 475939 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Nah just a silly joke lang
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< 1621620326 110480 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :pft
< 1621620454 551692 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :there is this weird thing https://github.com/ruby/drb
< 1621620478 88722 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :you write code like if you are in the runtime of another process on another machine
< 1621620577 402183 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :the only time I saw it used was in bank
< 1621620671 999584 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :that's fun
< 1621620675 225844 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :instead of making a server that would accept reports via JSON/POST or even their lovely SOAP, they made it a standard in their team...
< 1621620808 784238 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :more explanation here, but basically it's evaling https://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.7.1/libdoc/drb/rdoc/DRb.html
< 1621621067 356898 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: I would say "web view", but I call it "web interafce" in the wiki article
< 1621621179 589032 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :The reason why I find "web view" jarring probably has to do with the fact that over in Android, there's a thing called a WebView, which is something else.
> 1621621354 224753 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07IRP14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83152&oldid=67566 5* 03E97m2813flz1a 5* (+345) 10Describe the situation after Freenode takeover
< 1621621775 474792 :moony!moony@hellomouse.net NICK :example
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< 1621622642 198200 :imode!~imode@user/imode NICK :imode-the-great
< 1621622691 125144 :imode-the-great!~imode@user/imode PART ##esoteric :WeeChat 3.1
> 1621623077 362243 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03RobynTiger 5*  10New user account
> 1621623249 322373 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83153&oldid=83151 5* 03RobynTiger 5* (+161) 10/* Introductions */
> 1621623499 264646 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:RobynTiger14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83154 5* 03RobynTiger 5* (+151) 10Created page with "First-year Computer Science and Mathematics student :D (I'll add more interesting stuff here later, I guess xD)  [https://github.com/robyntiger GitHub]"
< 1621623750 538306 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: https://libera.chat/chanreg doesn't mention a ## namespace prefix anywhere, so ## doesn't officially have the same meaning as on freenode. presumably there'll still be a lot of ## channels just to have the same name as on freenode, but that doesn't apply to us
< 1621623792 466085 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :even if you don't register a project or community
< 1621623835 229359 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :oh wait
< 1621623845 403304 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: I'm wrong: https://libera.chat/policies does mention that prefix
< 1621623850 556033 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :so it still applies
< 1621624141 213757 :Wezl!~u0_a61@2601:14b:4400:8850:78ad:bff:fef4:8c3e QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1621624401 591290 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :b_jonas: current practice would allow us to just take #esoteric and we'll keep it unless somebody comes along with a better claim (which is of course a possibility... even an actual "other kind of" esoteric community)
< 1621624450 274318 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :But fizzie picked ##esoteric and he was here first :) (#esoteric is currently "mine")
< 1621624485 60641 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :int-e: yes, we can take #esoteric
< 1621624520 6509 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I honestly don't care either way
< 1621624543 272299 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I'm fond of the "esoteric" in-joke
< 1621624632 92386 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :oh! as for in-joke, if we figure out the final place, we should submit a patch to Canaima to direct people there
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< 1621625117 862502 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :oh, and even "https://libera.chat/chanreg" mentions the ## prefix. it just says "two # characters", I was searching for /##/ and /double/
> 1621625207 401797 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07RCEM14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83155&oldid=83090 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+313) 10Corrected an error in the resizing of the memory vector, introduced this scaling for other commands, and fixed an erroneous type declaration.
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< 1621626068 626209 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :what the hell is going on?
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< 1621626321 549431 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :imode: what am I missing?
< 1621626332 342546 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :int-e: the above.
< 1621626360 880989 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :ah, #libera is more impressive
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< 1621627365 818808 :example!moony@hellomouse.net NICK :cd
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< 1621627619 935974 :nakilon6!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com NICK :nakilon
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< 1621627884 580437 :serpent3416[m|gr!~serpent34@host-173-237-103-232.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG ##esoteric :    /)))))))))
< 1621627887 79017 :serpent3416[m|gr!~serpent34@host-173-237-103-232.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG ##esoteric :   //) __   __\ 
< 1621627890 30425 :serpent3416[m|gr!~serpent34@host-173-237-103-232.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG ##esoteric :   C==/_o|^|o_\            /!\ IRC.LIBERA.CHAT IS THE BEST IRC NETWORK /!\
< 1621627893 194193 :serpent3416[m|gr!~serpent34@host-173-237-103-232.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG ##esoteric :   |      _\  ) /!\ THE JEWS HAVE TAKEN OVER FREENODE, CHATS HAVE MOVED TO IRC.LIBERA.CHAT /!\
< 1621627896 294279 :serpent3416[m|gr!~serpent34@host-173-237-103-232.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG ##esoteric :    \   .--- /             /!\ THIS CHANNEL HAS MOVED TO IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #LIBERIA /!\
< 1621627899 461224 :serpent3416[m|gr!~serpent34@host-173-237-103-232.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG ##esoteric :   _/`-. __.'_  /!\ JOIN #LIBERIA TODAY. THIS CHANNEL HAS MOVED TO IRC.LIBERA.CHAT #LIBERIA /!\
< 1621627901 954213 :serpent3416[m|gr!~serpent34@host-173-237-103-232.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG ##esoteric : /` \`'-,._./|\
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< 1621627955 74152 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Was... was that spammer lost
< 1621627969 657551 :cd!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Very 
< 1621627980 416091 :cd!moony@hellomouse.net PRIVMSG ##esoteric :just a kiddie with a script
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< 1621628908 632622 :mynery!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 NICK :myname
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< 1621629501 825016 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Liberia?
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< 1621629571 913205 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon: that pun is the only good thing about that spam
< 1621629711 756974 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Libertalia, that pirate place.
< 1621629750 699559 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :(All I know about it is watching someone else's playthrough of that one game.)
< 1621629753 652440 :cd!moony@hellomouse.net NICK :moony
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< 1621630320 289787 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :cd
> 1621630409 125707 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83156&oldid=83143 5* 03Batata 5* (+36) 10
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< 1621630466 269035 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :what i don't get is why people are spamming about libera in completely unrelated networks
< 1621630488 473186 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :is this some sort of fud campaign?
< 1621630497 929348 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :is the sentiment positive or negative.
< 1621630510 587998 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :remember, you're up against someone who actively hates everybody here.
> 1621630568 403353 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83157&oldid=83156 5* 03Batata 5* (+78) 10
< 1621630618 845017 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :so I did another attempt to figure put what it is about the Libera
< 1621630646 5396 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :strange to hear nightingales combined with frogs from the street
< 1621630652 231049 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru NICK :arseniiv
< 1621630652 985670 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :and the only thing I see is that the new owner just put ads of his another company on freenode website
< 1621630686 351579 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :but I don't understand how it's a reason for people to switch to another network
< 1621630759 42293 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I think it wasn’t obvious what’s planned for freenode’s fate, and it isn’t?
< 1621630863 702782 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :is there anything obvious about fate of anything?
< 1621630863 855181 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :so they might put just ads or the might do something very drastic, or would be further down the road but not right now, and who would know
< 1621630876 724159 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I mean, not the fate in abstract, but the plain in their head
< 1621630877 119473 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :and how was the "freenode's fate" more obvious earlier than now? if people "didn't see 'it' coming" then it wasn't obvious in the first place
< 1621630879 96154 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :plan*
< 1621630896 520509 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon: they didn't switch to another network if you define the network by the people and principles behind it rather than the name
< 1621630923 733973 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon: there was a hostile take-over of freenode by a dude calling himself the crown prince of korea, with plans to turn IRC into discord and monetize it.
< 1621630928 434731 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :what more info you need fam.
< 1621630939 46762 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :and how do we know there is no "very drastic" in Libera plans?
< 1621630950 174497 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :<nakilon> and how was the "freenode's fate" more obvious earlier than now? => I’d think, well, before this entire thing started nobody knew it would
< 1621630954 334544 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :if there is, there already was in the "old" freenode
< 1621630966 149018 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :because libera wouldn't exist if the staff agreed with andrew's vision?
< 1621630971 552147 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :the fuck is your argument.
< 1621630984 216661 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :<nakilon> and how do we know there is no "very drastic" in Libera plans? => I personally don’t!
< 1621631005 38678 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :imode I don't see about Korea and Discord in Wikipedia's article about Freenode
< 1621631014 802429 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon: you haven't been following the posts, then.
< 1621631022 882119 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I’m going with my limited instincts for a while
< 1621631035 672386 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :which is fair, this is a messy situation.
< 1621631040 601268 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :arseniiv same today "nobody knows it would" here
< 1621631054 244924 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :if they’ll be wrong, well, so be it, I’m bad with politics and with being informed unfortunately
< 1621631073 704661 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :(they I mean my instincts)
< 1621631079 55307 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I only see people being scared by their own fantasies about "what can happen"
< 1621631087 362158 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :people aren't on freenode because it's named freenode but rather because of the people behind it. if the people behind it start getting legal threats and collectively decide to make something new, it's probably for a reason
< 1621631091 948061 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :(figurative instincts of course, as humans don’t have biological ones)
< 1621631110 69095 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon: uh, same could be said of you, on this network.
< 1621631132 859617 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Lee_(entrepreneur)
< 1621631139 807962 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fyi, in case you can't click hyperlinks on freenode's page.
< 1621631145 623671 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :i don't care "what can happen" in freenode, i don't want to be on a network that is overtaken against the will of the community
< 1621631152 699992 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :even if everything would stay the same
< 1621631286 547734 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :how is someone's "prince of Korea" status makes Freenode worse place?
< 1621631315 97276 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :is there something bad about Korea?
< 1621631344 992169 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :how does that makes the #esoteric channel on Freenode less functional or something?
< 1621631392 698899 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I'm going to be nice and assume you're not trolling, it's not that. it's that someone came in, against the wishes of the community at large, threatened legal action against the existing staff unless they handed over the keys to freenode at large, threatened to drown them in lawyers and legal fees until they backed off property that wasn't his...
< 1621631414 736205 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon: there is something bad about people overtaking stuff violently
< 1621631416 916022 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :tried to bribe or extort existing staff of FOSS projects.
< 1621631420 418305 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :to stay on the network.
< 1621631444 233765 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :and is now trying to monetize the thing because he bought a "community" of active individuals that he can now break apart while he turns freenode into a glorified investment vehicle.
< 1621631448 566463 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :among other problems.
< 1621631456 71961 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :<imode> tried to bribe or extort existing staff of FOSS projects. => wow :(
< 1621631474 348299 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :there's a reason why sponsors are pulling hardware, why FOSS projects are moving off the network, and why this is overall spreading.
< 1621631500 904529 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :i would be kinda interested in how many active channels will stay on freenode
< 1621631511 527922 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :i'd assume those are next to none
< 1621631548 169954 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :so if you're _genuinely uninformed_ and not just trolling, there's the answer in a nutshell. there are in-depth threads about it on HN, there are plenty of people that'll answer you in #libera or #libera-dev around the specifics.
< 1621631588 815661 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I’d assume nakilon is not trolling :)
< 1621631608 48819 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :it's really just confusing as hell.
< 1621631631 6902 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :we live in invisible^W confusing times
< 1621631658 936370 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :i don't think the relevant part is that confusing
< 1621631676 31081 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :violent overtake of network. old staff made new network. people like old staff. people move.
< 1621631706 440880 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I don't know old staff
< 1621631731 602680 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :why would I even know them
< 1621631752 172921 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :why are you here?
< 1621631771 554642 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :this is #esoteric
< 1621631781 625926 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :sure, but even if you don't know them, doesn't the pure fact that they created a new network because of legal threats suffice to not support whatever the new freenode is?
< 1621631787 261317 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :not #channel_of_freenode_staff
< 1621631795 330362 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :great. but why on this network. if you don't agree with the network, if you don't see a purpose behind it, stay on freenode.
< 1621631837 883418 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :are you gatekeeping me or what?
< 1621631851 31127 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :i don't get your point
< 1621631852 387531 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :good toll.
< 1621631856 389557 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :troll, rather.
< 1621631865 261717 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :yeah
< 1621631871 109981 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :you are calling me troll already like 6 times
< 1621631873 821929 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I’d presuppose the staff should have being doing things more or less right as there weren’t freenode breakups before this event
< 1621631875 524150 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :have fun on the ignore list.
< 1621631879 40974 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :you are aggressive
< 1621631889 632804 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :you aredefinitely not the people I'm here for
< 1621631905 139139 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :lol, inadequate
< 1621631905 741469 :river!~river@user/river PRIVMSG ##esoteric :nakilon this is IRC!
< 1621631946 852736 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :i still have no idea what your point even is
< 1621631969 212749 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :just ignore them, they're here to siphon attention, not actually discuss anything.
< 1621631981 192308 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :let’s not be harsh to each other if it’s possible, I left a forum recently because it was a hard place and it still bubbles up in my memory each day
< 1621632006 173321 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :this is some people have too much time wasted of debating and lurking about staff's personal life and finances, enough much to become spontaneously angry on other users in chat who are just asking questions
> 1621632008 913105 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User talk:Batata14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83158 5* 03Batata 5* (+1) 10Created page with "e"
< 1621632024 283497 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :that has nothing to do with the staff as persons
< 1621632029 834789 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :arseniiv: I doubt the user in question is actually a part of this community.
< 1621632035 453170 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :and is just here to stir up shit.
< 1621632040 608748 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :this has everything to do with a violent takeover. nothing more, nothing less
< 1621632049 980281 :river!~river@user/river PRIVMSG ##esoteric :VIOLENCE!!!!
< 1621632050 318114 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :i don't support violent takeovers
< 1621632057 244267 :river!~river@user/river PRIVMSG ##esoteric :disrespect your SURROUNDINGS!
< 1621632091 679549 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :ADTR eh
< 1621632101 906510 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :lol this is retarded
< 1621632110 450928 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :how so?
< 1621632133 507444 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :dude keeps shitting on me for no reason
< 1621632138 963879 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :such a kid
< 1621632144 8175 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I’d prefer to think sometimes we are really confused about this or that or some details but this doesn’t necessarily come through text true; miscommunication happens and it happens often enough. Yep no one should be infinitely trusting, as genuine trolling is a thing, but
< 1621632161 916268 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :but whatever, who I am to mediate anything
< 1621632163 526168 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :no, because you keep talking bullshit and don't act on the given points
< 1621632169 547582 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :"I doubt he's a part of the community" -- ahahah
< 1621632177 319057 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I'm definitely not the part of his community
< 1621632181 768160 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :if it's about beibng such retard
< 1621632188 340170 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :considering the number of "why does this network exist you all are retards" people that have flooded libera, yeah, I'm going to assume malicious intent.
< 1621632256 267019 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :ragekid
< 1621632314 310727 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :as i said, you still don't respond to any argument
< 1621632328 75614 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :i cannot assume you are serious
< 1621632412 62205 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I see no arguments
< 1621632457 219972 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :neither answers on my questions about how the legal problems between owners have any effect on the channels
< 1621632514 650377 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I’d think people generally want to feel safe and they have a bit of a precedent the old freenode staff didn’t abuse their power?
< 1621632535 50958 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :and then they are forced away, so, well…
< 1621632590 345329 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :why isn’t it an argument, at least one in a cumulative heap of arguments if it’s not enough by its own
< 1621632613 299023 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :this network exists because of a takeover of the old network. period.
< 1621632651 471997 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :why are you still entertaining this lmao.
< 1621632654 654241 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :just /ignore and move on.
< 1621632659 841728 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :eh, not my business.
< 1621632719 590730 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :"there is something bad about people overtaking stuff violently" -- this is just funny, considering how the world either ignored or even supported the neonazi revolution in my country that lead to 9000 civilian deaths and thousands of deaths among people who were forced to do the genocide
< 1621632755 257060 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru PRIVMSG ##esoteric :though I’d say maybe discussing this kind of arguments isn’t really on topic in this channel. It’s either not that esoteric and maybe it would be more productive to discuss these matters with other people
< 1621632779 451593 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :and you know what? the majority of humans didn't support the nazis, that'. why they lost
< 1621632832 103049 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :sure, i will do something more productive, like sleeping
> 1621633015 785781 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83159&oldid=83157 5* 03Batata 5* (+88) 10
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< 1621635056 912900 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Meta-discussion about where #esoteric should be is probably on-topic, and the larger questions insofar as they relate to that, but anything beyond that probably not so much.
< 1621635094 440457 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Personally I'm on this side because while I don't know the people who left particularly well (I think we have just the one former freenode staff member as a channel regular?), I've got a generally positive opinion of them collectively, and feel like as the people who've actually kept things running, they have a better claim to this being the "same network" we've been on so far; and 
< 1621635100 830248 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :superficially-independent third-party accounts have on average agreed that the new management has behaved at least a little sucky.
< 1621635113 352471 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I don't expect the disagreement will necessarily have an impact on how we *could* use either network (unless longer-term one or the other just withers away, meaning less chance of random passers-by), but that just means from that perspective the choice of a network is arbitrary, so there's no particular reason to stay either. And I sorta-like this notion of having a registration scheme for communities, 
< 1621635119 361742 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :not just projects.
< 1621635164 801235 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Now, getting back on track, I've kludged together the world's least advanced bridge between the esolangs/esowiki bots. If I turn it on, they'd each copy over every PRIVMSG (except their own, of course), prefix it with "<nick> " and send it on the other side. No splitting of long messages, no filtering, no other message types, no bells, no whistles. Is that a good idea or not? What would catch on fire 
< 1621635170 810206 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :first? 
< 1621635388 121129 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :the first thing would probably be the very precise line length arithmetic in hackeso :P
< 1621635470 142621 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :"<myname> what i don't get is why people are spamming about libera in completely unrelated networks" => it did work, because #libera is full of spam where people are complaining about spam on other networks
< 1621635485 493268 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I'm worried it means that if there starts being spam it'll get propagated and the bot might get klines
< 1621635502 479943 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :anyway, the channel is publicly logged anyway, so I don't think a bridge causes any harm unless there's excessive noise.
< 1621635512 160510 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :one wonders if it's a smear campaign. pretty easy to spam about a network, and then drive people to complain about the spam of the network.
< 1621635527 158926 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :where nobody on that network is actually saying anything outside of libera.
< 1621635547 38532 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :imode: the bots are treated as a smear campaign by the libera staff for sure
< 1621635644 273117 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :officially at least, I'm sure if any tangible evidence to the contrary turns up nobody will be terribly surprised, just disappointed
< 1621635690 370415 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :And... if it's a smear campaign, well, such lingering doubts mean it's working.
< 1621635776 156018 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :"<myname> […] doesn't the pure fact that they created a new network because of legal threats suffice to not support whatever the new freenode is?" => perhaps it would if they hadn't posted messages encouraging people to unregister from freenode's nickserv
< 1621635827 204225 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :wow, so much faith in the law
< 1621635840 951134 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Yeah, I guess the spam forwarding is a potential issue.
< 1621635866 735580 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Shouldn't there be like a Section 230 immunity for network bridges? ;)
< 1621635884 431481 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :But I guess An Algorithm probably wouldn't care about that.
< 1621635954 952558 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: I think we have two former freenode staff members as regulars: FireFly and mniip
< 1621635955 461207 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I know too little about The Algorithms used by Freenode/Libera. I thought it was mostly Sigyn/ozone listening in on select channels
< 1621635963 306049 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :plus the obvious rate limiting
< 1621636028 823898 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I don't know any details either, but I imagine they have some pattern-matching somewhere for dealing with those private-message spam campaigns. Unless people just don't have the attention span and that's why they always fizzle out.
< 1621636056 599786 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :"litharge" will break my fingers (that's the eir equivalent)
< 1621636063 338286 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: the bridge is probably a good idea but only if you add an easy way to opt out of it so that other bridges can break loops. I suggest making an auxiliary channel and anyone who is joined the bridge won't copy their messages. or something. and figure out what to do with fungot so it doesn't answer twice.
< 1621636088 984448 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Taneb has a good point about propagated spam
< 1621636089 546144 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :other bridges?!
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< 1621636118 382960 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :If there's just one instance of fungot, it shouldn't answer twice, I guess.
< 1621636139 244530 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :might be better to ask libera staff and freenode staff
< 1621636145 673106 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@95.105.1.73.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Quit: gone too far
< 1621636152 724927 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I hear you like tree-shaped networks so we added our own tree-shaped network inside IRC's tree-shaped networks
< 1621636155 586240 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@id-79547.charlton.irccloud.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Oh, I'm so glad ##esoteric is here
< 1621636181 363034 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG ##esoteric :welcome, ProofTechnique.
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< 1621636200 42641 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I don't think having more than one bridge is reasonable.
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< 1621636242 838568 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :int-e: But think about having the chance to make an adaptive spanning tree protocol thing!
< 1621636261 507988 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: I'm thinking about my own cognitive capacity
< 1621636269 379847 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :and how much I'm willing to exert it for IRC
< 1621636314 194121 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :int-e: there's a channel with a bridge from at least three different chat things, plus a matrix bridge separate from each other. unless you want to make and maintain your bridge to support every newly popping up fashionable thing that you want to bridge, you should allow for more than one bridge.
< 1621636334 481782 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I guess I can always ignore the bridge but that will result in its very own surreal confusion as discussions grow holes.
< 1621636360 574969 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :also multiple bridges can offer redundancy for when the server of one bridge is down, though they need their own protocol for that so they rarely copy the same message
< 1621636375 412478 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@id-79547.charlton.irccloud.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :brb, building a bouncer that posts each message over a different bridge
< 1621636376 755696 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :b_jonas: if that's seriously where we're headed then I don't want any bridge at all.
< 1621636379 712854 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :plus multiple bridges is the #esoteric thing to do
< 1621636384 78196 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :"I've kludged together the world's least advanced bridge" -- you know what picture is an illustration on Wikipedia's article "kludge"? the bridge! )
< 1621636445 665359 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@id-79547.charlton.irccloud.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :The #esoteric thing would be a Gopher bridge
< 1621636446 844037 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: will it be called HackEcho? because I thought of that but it's a stupid name and I think it shouldn't be called that
> 1621636446 950752 PRIVMSG ##esoteric :14[[07User:Batata14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83161&oldid=83160 5* 03Batata 5* (+37) 10
< 1621636483 886035 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :b_jonas: As it stands it'd just use the same connections as the wiki recent changes feeds.
< 1621636493 294891 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I don't know if esolangs/esowiki is a great name either, but still.
< 1621636511 938981 :nakilon!~nakilon@62.241.154.104.bc.googleusercontent.com PRIVMSG ##esoteric :01:35:05 -NickServ- pipe is not registered.
< 1621637520 635168 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: also don't listen to me, a bridge is probalby a terrible idea
< 1621637883 797363 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Hey, Wikimedia folks seem to think it makes sense: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Migrating_to_Libera_Chat#Bridging_channels
< 1621637975 877219 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :some of them at least
< 1621638219 493546 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :this will probably be decided per-channel, because on channels with few active mods it will copy the spam
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< 1621640371 472064 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Hmm, I wonder how many languages have an `else` branch for a loop statement, executed if the loop body never runs.
< 1621640387 783303 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I think the Jinja template system has one of those, but it's not exactly a language.
< 1621640433 79525 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Would allow you to do things like `for (auto item : some_list) add(item); else oh_no_its_empty();`
< 1621640484 160046 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I guess it's not *that* far from `if (some_list.empty()) oh_no_its_empty(); else for (auto item : some_list) add(item);` though.
< 1621640485 72282 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I'm associating that with Python, somehow.
< 1621640530 884318 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :except that it does something completely different, so never mind
< 1621640610 69465 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :[Python] "The else block just after for/while is executed only when the loop is NOT terminated by a break statement."
< 1621640660 967165 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Heh, I wouldn't have expected *that*.
< 1621640682 966466 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :How's that an "else"? Well, I guess it doesn't need to make sense to me.
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< 1621640697 858654 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: it's an else for the loop condition check
< 1621640699 580896 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :it's weird.
< 1621640775 527044 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :if you break a loop, the condition will never have been false
< 1621640846 878940 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :R..ight, I guess.
< 1621640862 427783 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :fizzie: the intuition is that if you write a search loop with a for-each head to iterate over something and the body breaks early when it finds the first suitable item, the else block is ran if the item is not found
< 1621640874 467524 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :calling it "else" makes sense in that case
< 1621640881 286118 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :That's true too.
< 1621640886 902562 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :"intuition"
< 1621640892 866622 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :and python has iterator for loops
< 1621640909 158754 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :The intuition is that if you do the obvious purely formal construction to translate a loop, that will happen.
< 1621640912 657390 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :that said, I never use for-else or while-else
< 1621640938 278798 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :[Jinja] "If no iteration took place because the sequence was empty or the filtering removed all the items from the sequence, you can render a default block by using else: <...> Note that, in Python, else blocks are executed whenever the corresponding loop did not break. Since Jinja loops cannot break anyway, a slightly different behavior of the else keyword was chosen."
< 1621640974 270687 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :Maybe a more common scenario for templates.
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< 1621640981 454345 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG ##esoteric :(Think "your basket is empty" or whatnot.)
< 1621641138 763892 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :and I think I associate python for-else with the kind of low status stackoverflow copy-paste code monkey who comes to IRC to ask questions for how to do some task with iterator transformers or "in one line" but can't write a trivial while loop to do the same task
< 1621641160 265984 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :I know it's a stereotype
< 1621641169 769556 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-1.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG ##esoteric :but it's a stereotype I have strong
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