> 1622075711 919501 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83492&oldid=83463 5* 03Jedgrei 5* (+138) 10 > 1622075747 795892 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83493&oldid=83492 5* 03Jedgrei 5* (+57) 10 < 1622077467 506524 :spirgel!~spirgel@81.92.200.60 QUIT : > 1622077772 230766 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Forth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83494&oldid=73957 5* 03Hmmmmmmmm 5* (+26) 10Dead link in Forth wiki < 1622077891 634689 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The recent PR on fungot got me excited that github linguist could list arbitrary langs based on file extension, turns out no. Has to be on https://github.com/github/linguist/blob/master/lib/linguist/languages.yml < 1622077891 715833 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::2 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: ulch! that meat was painted! yeah, baby! even if we can eat, and some would eat that want it; but we call it fortunatus's purse, is called tyr: yet first was the family head of a pair of offspring ( with kishar) of scaly lizards, especially those involving translocation. it was locked. he does not imply being happy and that after a slumber of uncounted years its time in the following: --more-- fury. unlike shades, only < 1622077959 585054 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bf and befunge are one there. I was hoping for Lazy K and Юᓂ곧⎔ . Not sure there is much chance I'll be able to get those added any time soon. < 1622078098 661005 :Hooloovo0!Hooloovo0@sorunome.de JOIN :#esolangs < 1622078730 184843 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe instead they should add a possibility of a file in the repository to define the file types that you are using? < 1622078851 862251 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :just discovered you cat get someone's public key like this: https://github.com/fis.keys < 1622078885 546972 :rasengone!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, neat. < 1622078896 283244 :rasengone!~imode@user/imode NICK :imode > 1622079573 89827 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83495&oldid=83438 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+496) 10IRC logs URL changed; refresh IRC section + tweak page formatting < 1622079930 24597 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It was annoying me a lot that the logically "higher-level" headings were being typeset at a smaller size than the links to places, so I flattened the page structure to use ==-level headings only.) < 1622080310 547612 :lucky!~joel@user/lucky JOIN :#esolangs < 1622080559 18652 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :just discovered a cat in my previous message < 1622080892 41309 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Apparently works with a .gpg extension as well, for PGP public keys. < 1622083227 538661 :lucky!~joel@user/lucky PRIVMSG #esolangs :unileq! < 1622085652 617471 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN :#esolangs > 1622085655 765586 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Quentin-k 5* 10New user account < 1622085657 686855 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1622085711 544194 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1622085756 39989 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :are P-systems and counter machines equivalent? < 1622085782 695721 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :or I guess, register machines.. I feel like they are. < 1622085844 575281 :mistbreeze!~mistbreez@2600:1700:b7e0:8320::510 JOIN :#esolangs > 1622085853 768854 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:New Army/Yes smoking day14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=83496 5* 03New Army 5* (+126) 10Created page with "No smoking day has caused trouble to many people so a suggestion to set up a yes smoking day on November 31st is made. {{WIP}}" > 1622085973 407748 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83497&oldid=83444 5* 03New Army 5* (+178) 10 < 1622088701 85709 :dcristofani!~dcristofa@69-71-183-170.mammothnetworks.com JOIN :#esolangs < 1622089283 511344 :lucky!~joel@user/lucky PRIVMSG #esolangs :imode: the biologically inspired ? many of them are universal, so yes equivalent to unbounded register machines < 1622090537 694286 :ffmct!~ffmct@185.187.243.128 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1622090901 686539 :really3!~justafrie@185.187.243.128 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1622091108 168077 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Freenode now has a blogpost apologizing and saying that some of the channel closings were mistakes < 1622091595 247727 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, like I fucking believe that. < 1622092185 522883 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://twitter.com/alyxw/status/1397774897875673090 < 1622092192 526979 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I haven't directly seen this) < 1622092338 183134 :beanpuppy!~beanpuppy@193-82-236-238.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esolangs < 1622092551 967291 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :hah. < 1622092695 440104 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` ./🌱 4 93079262 < 1622092696 410596 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Seed < 1622092703 451327 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do believe that. I think they used an automated filter to do what they did, so mistakes are inevitable. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are really that sorry or if they really care so much, since those things are different. < 1622092738 108270 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` 13 jrypbzr|cut -d'<' -f2|sed "s/>.*/wiki\/$(.\/🌱 4 93079262)/" < 1622092740 116070 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Seed < 1622092792 587622 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :🌱 is my attempt at writing an esointerpreter for HackEso. it's sitting in /tmp < 1622092859 795008 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :A competent automated filter could have checked for +m, since that's what Freenode is now claiming they opposed, actual inability to speak in the channel, and active spam < 1622092867 800077 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :So either incompetence or malice < 1622092906 587392 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or they could have responded to channels doing that on an individual basis. They claim they received complaints. They could have acted on just actual complaints < 1622093013 759915 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :O, I didn't know that. They may well be lying about something; there is probably some incompetence too. But, they say, don't attribute to malice what is adequately explained by stupidity. Still, if they don't like certain features of the IRC server, they should have removed those features, I should think. < 1622093082 239201 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't figure out how to run piped befunge on the bot. bef.bin appends .bf to any process substituted input < 1622093537 692554 :xkapastel!uid17782@id-17782.tinside.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1622093827 667709 :rbtEngrDude!~textual@2600:8800:a610:3e00:ad74:3457:c989:3d02 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622094204 898185 :rbtEngrDude!~textual@2600:8800:a610:3e00:ad74:3457:c989:3d02 QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1622094230 617953 :rbtEngrDude!~textual@2600:8800:a610:3e00:ad74:3457:c989:3d02 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622094294 92766 :dcristofani!~dcristofa@69-71-183-170.mammothnetworks.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1622094341 453796 :rbtEngrDude!~textual@2600:8800:a610:3e00:ad74:3457:c989:3d02 QUIT :Client Quit < 1622094369 314250 :rbtEngrDude!~textual@2600:8800:a610:3e00:ad74:3457:c989:3d02 JOIN :#esolangs > 1622094492 715851 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PUBERTY14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83498&oldid=55787 5* 03RanibowSprimkle64 5* (+124) 10/* Commands */ < 1622095180 72498 :beanpuppy!~beanpuppy@193-82-236-238.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1622095541 235625 :beanpuppy!~beanpuppy@193-82-236-238.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esolangs < 1622095853 143399 :beanpuppy!~beanpuppy@193-82-236-238.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1622095909 540869 :moony!~moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1622097880 30943 :chibi!~chibi@75-26-238-119.lightspeed.glvwil.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1622099611 355689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/block14]]4 block10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10blocked [[02User:New Army10]] with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation disabled, autoblock disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page): Abusing multiple accounts: per [[Esolang:Policy]], you may not use alternative accounts as a method of hiding your actions; this account is only being used for disrup > 1622099650 666613 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02User:New Army/Yes smoking day10]]": very offtopic userspace page, in the userspace of a blocked account < 1622099877 15358 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1622100082 530817 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` echo 1 2 | ./bef2 <(./🌱 4 141745954) | head -c2 < 1622100083 734954 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :3 < 1622100135 522444 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is a Seed program which generates a befunge adder. The example on the wiki doesn't terminate, most of the examples there don't bother to provide an `@` < 1622100169 549923 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :07:51:48 Freenode now has a blogpost apologizing and saying that some of the channel closings were mistakes < 1622100206 9300 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah and they did that a long ago, but people pretended that they don't see it to just spend time telling each other about what happened < 1622100213 703501 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :to build a mood, an impression < 1622100248 181167 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I "fixed" the befunge 93 interpreter's appending '.bf' to process subs with < 1622100251 723648 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` sed 's/..bf/\x03\x00 /' ../interps/befunge/bef.bin > bef2 < 1622100253 138130 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1622100305 796060 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can't get cfunge to work with piped output either. < 1622100336 629948 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like if I spill a coffee on you and immediately say "oh I'm sorry" but you just spend a day telling everyone that I spilled it and only then after someone start saying "but hey, he said he's sorry" you say "no way! we all spent a day building our hate so now we can't believe he's sorry!" < 1622100343 963172 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's trivial like shit < 1622100453 681525 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :before and after my changes < 1622100455 768146 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` ../interps/befunge/bef.bin hello ; ./bef2 hello < 1622100456 790001 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Error: couldn't open 'hello.bf' for input. \ Error: couldn't open 'hello' for input. < 1622102088 687746 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622103217 194215 :beanpuppy!~beanpuppy@193-82-236-238.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esolangs < 1622103244 463249 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` sed 's/\x03.bf/\x03\x00 /' ../interps/befunge/bef.bin > bef2 < 1622103246 538980 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1622103729 629854 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: well, if that had been the only thing that happened... well it wouldn't have happened then, would it. < 1622103780 829976 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION notes that this is just a communication problem. IOW, rasengan still doesn't understand what he's done, or at least gives that impression. < 1622103809 229883 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :he did nothing and people went shit < 1622103835 221250 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then he started applies measures against shit and people started saying that those measures were made before they went shit < 1622103847 815664 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :because no one will check the real order of events < 1622103850 160581 :beanpuppy!~beanpuppy@193-82-236-238.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1622103859 100962 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people don't care, they want drama < 1622103874 926668 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't want drama. < 1622103880 468148 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's why I scrapped Freenode. < 1622103897 790446 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so they forced you < 1622103901 925872 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :by making drama < 1622103915 97803 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the good old "flame" < 1622103924 260135 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a lot of things went wrong, but rasengan is not a victim here < 1622103936 726862 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :why not victim? < 1622103950 959248 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :because we've spent a day repeating that he spilled coffee? < 1622103964 499531 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :What's the coffee in this analogy? < 1622103992 250715 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a milk truck. And it has begun to stink. < 1622103992 294643 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :any acts on his behalf that had reasons that people didn't want to realise < 1622104021 162363 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :What was this person doing with the coffee machine in the first place? < 1622104027 947732 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :he acts as if he represents FOSS just because he happens to have come into possession of the freenode.net domain < 1622104034 775268 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is making coffee illegal? < 1622104035 377960 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there was no way that could end well < 1622104052 95939 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/represents/owns/ < 1622104071 966600 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"he acts as if he represents FOSS" -- where did he? < 1622104088 617158 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Man, I can think of someone who likes drama. < 1622104096 679085 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :by denying projects to choose their official home < 1622104096 810336 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I asked days ago and people had nothing to answer < 1622104134 766575 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway. sorry, I should've stuck to ##freenode < 1622104137 274767 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs : is making coffee illegal? < 1622104141 164291 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :making coffee is not illegal < 1622104150 884484 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :he can't deny anyone to chose anything, he has no ability < 1622104162 619507 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's fake < 1622104206 106790 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is like the NethackWiki situation. < 1622104260 743676 :lucky!~joel@user/lucky PRIVMSG #esolangs :they nuked the haskell channel's ops because they put that some of their users had an unofficial channel on libera, now it's an official channel < 1622104268 618061 :lucky!~joel@user/lucky PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well < 1622104285 641876 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they nuked the spam attack on freenode about this network < 1622104309 323452 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the attack that was lying to people that there is something that they can't explain why freenode is bad < 1622104324 398935 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :now when you ask why freenode is bad they say "because they nuked haskell" but it wasn't in the first place < 1622104326 514059 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not spam to tell people that an official channel has moved to libera.chat < 1622104343 461897 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's playing with people's inability to think and imagine the timeline < 1622104347 1272 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :why are you going on about this? < 1622104352 753904 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :*that* was the criterion they used for taking over channels yesterday < 1622104365 569351 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :why do care so much about people that are inable to think? < 1622104375 538376 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :#haskell was open for chatting, but prominently announced the move to libera. < 1622104392 352699 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you're talking shit, and I'm angry so I'll ignore you for a bit < 1622104392 757115 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :taking over or running the script automatically nuking channels with a topic and then they apologized and asked channel owners to message them in ircops channel? < 1622104399 104648 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ahahah < 1622104401 338350 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :see < 1622104411 949996 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :good idea < 1622104425 873991 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :IRC was fun for 2 days but now im bored again < 1622104442 264783 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you've already been told that they apologized for a mistake but you continut to distort that event for drama < 1622104456 748566 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :just to keep yourself angry < 1622104479 951666 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :A lot of things had to go wrong for them to be in a position to make that mistake. < 1622104483 999579 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you literally don't want to know the truth < 1622104541 192666 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Do you happen to know any work related to making SAT solvers more understandable? < 1622104570 718960 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's so frustarting dealing with a black box that takes some amount of time and halts, or maybe doesn't. < 1622104578 672993 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people love echo chambers where they can collectively hate things and people denying the fact check < 1622104583 228809 :beanpuppy!~beanpuppy@193-82-236-238.tpgi.com.au JOIN :#esolangs < 1622104633 681622 :dcristofani!~dcristofa@2607:fb90:4e98:29fb:9c26:f319:1330:bca0 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622104712 3701 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :how would it be more understandable < 1622104735 993962 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :01:36 The only thing that comes to mind is https://ece.uwaterloo.ca/~vganesh/Publications_files/vg2015-SATGraf-SAT15.pdf which was interesting. < 1622104738 999466 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :01:37 I'd really like the solver to be able to tell me which variables or clauses are causing it trouble, or anything like that. < 1622104742 440194 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Discussion continues in ##smt < 1622104808 773806 :beanpuppy!~beanpuppy@193-82-236-238.tpgi.com.au QUIT :Client Quit < 1622105395 282761 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: If you have a case where you need a file instead of a pipe, or a specific extension, just make that file in /tmp (not ./tmp), that's an in-memory filesystem that only persists for the duration of a single command. < 1622105399 321519 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: Regarding befunge, the way ! does it is to go through ibin/befunge -> interp_file .../bef.bin -> lib/interp -> save to /tmp/input.$$ and run bef.bin, which has been working fine. So I'm pretty sure bef.bin only appends .bf as a *fallback*; if the file exists, it will run it. < 1622105420 118801 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`! befunge "olleh">:#,_@ < 1622105421 525457 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello < 1622105483 314115 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` echo '"olleh">:#,_@' > /tmp/arbitrary_extension.txt && /hackenv/interps/befunge/bef.bin /tmp/arbitrary_extension.txt < 1622105484 59450 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello < 1622105494 554135 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :See? < 1622105550 876664 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, it's not strictly speaking a *fallback*, rather it appends .bf if the file does not contain a '.' in the first place: http://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/interps/befunge/bef.c#l229 < 1622105596 800395 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, *that* is a little bit on the weird side. But it is what it is. < 1622105916 931375 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's definitely true that a lot of things don't work with non-seekable input, though. In case of cfunge, that's because its file-load strategy is "stat, then mmap st_size bytes", which makes a non-seekable file act like an empty one, because its st_size is 0. > 1622106955 935969 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83499&oldid=83497 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+270) 10/* LifeWiki links */ < 1622106983 785088 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, now, this is a scow: I've been using this bazel-compdb script to generate compile_commands.json from Bazel, but now I've got a cc_proto_library target that builds fine with `bazel build`, but makes `bazel-compdb` just fail because it somehow mucks up protoc flags (or something), and it dies on the line where it tries to import one of the well-known protos (google/protobuf/empty.proto). < 1622107016 568099 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't even know why it's running protoc, it's supposed to use Bazel aspects to just collect the commands it would need to run. < 1622107096 403014 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN :#esolangs > 1622107480 470649 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83500&oldid=83134 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy (disambiguation) 5* (+221) 10 < 1622107528 829086 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Apparently the step it fails at is when generating the `header_files` output group of a target that depends on the proto. I guess maybe that involves having to run the codegen. But then I don't know why it wouldn't work when it works when build... oh, I guess maybe it *doesn't* work when building, that target's not "ready" yet so I haven't been trying that. < 1622107546 589708 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The script by and large works even when the tree doesn't build.) < 1622107595 547079 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I was blaming the wrong thing, sort-of; it doesn't build. < 1622109167 240465 :zegalch96!~zegalch@178.128.75.133 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622112367 972986 :zegalch!~zegalch@178.128.75.133 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622112605 292818 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: yes, https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2021-05.html#lpXb < 1622112701 503117 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is "Cheating quines" here? https://esolangs.org/wiki/List_of_quines < 1622112766 947536 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: they can directly access their source code or have a command like HQ9+'s 'q' that prints the source code < 1622112867 410235 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb then the Fish, Alice and others would be "cheating" but they are classified as "real" < 1622112905 450232 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or you mean the stringmode isn't the "access to code"? < 1622112965 776169 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I'm not sure < 1622113000 281492 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wouldn't call stringmode access to the source code any more than a string literal in a conventional programming language is < 1622113055 801592 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :But if I made a quine in Befunge that used the 'g' command to get the source code, I think that would be cheating < 1622113130 362110 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or rather what's the difference between "real quine" "1" in 05AB1E and "cheating quine" "This is a quine!" in Text > 1622113340 925607 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83501&oldid=77340 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+30) 10added RASEL < 1622113807 436230 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't really justify it that precisely, but I feel like stringmode *is* cheating if you *also* execute the bulk of the string. < 1622113887 955299 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :As for Text, I don't know if that's so much a cheating quine as the same sort of trivial quine as the empty program in all languages where it's legal; Text just makes everything that. < 1622114528 608140 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1622114629 917419 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? norway < 1622114631 964698 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? iceland < 1622114632 291312 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Norway is the suburb capital of Sweden. It's where the Nobel Peace Prize is announced. It's a warm, dry place, at least compared to Québec. < 1622114633 213701 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :iceland? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1622114633 444117 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? wegian < 1622114634 851601 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :A wegian is an equivalence class of #esoteric regulars. There are two main wegians, the Nor (from Finland) and the Glas (from Hexham). There's also the hypothetical Gal, which hasn't been observed yet so we're not sure where it's from. < 1622114681 951532 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? ostrich-hungry < 1622114683 109391 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :ostrich-hungry? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1622114684 969263 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? hungry < 1622114686 180937 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hungry is a country in Europe, formerly part of the Ostrich empire. It split off after a famine that got so severe that they had to start eating disgusting things like bell peppers. Absurdly, this became a tradition that continues until the present day. < 1622114686 512625 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? ostrich < 1622114687 683228 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ostrich used to be a large middle European empire in frequent conflict with Turkey. After a famine it sort of split into Ostrich/Hungry. Alas its policy of keeping its head in the sand did not get it through the Great War, and with its final attempts to take flight failing, it ended up cut into several pieces. < 1622114695 765970 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? france < 1622114696 961586 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :france? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1622114761 912992 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was just thinking of these quirky historically motivated import restrictions within Europe, like you can't import horses to Iceland, potatoes to Norway, and nobility titles to France or Ostrich-Hungry < 1622114959 517626 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Taneb: the context was befunge and rasel quines that have only one string delimiter, not a pair, in a row, and execute it both as string and code by wrapping around that line twice < 1622114977 909176 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :relevant because that leads to short quines < 1622115406 65643 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1622115771 55169 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@de1.hashbang.sh JOIN :#esolangs > 1622116306 237194 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83502&oldid=83031 5* 03DynCoder 5* (+108) 10/* Game */ < 1622117159 682458 :dcristofani!~dcristofa@2607:fb90:4e98:29fb:9c26:f319:1330:bca0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1622117339 688176 :spirgel_!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel JOIN :#esolangs < 1622117493 331549 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@user/noisytoot QUIT :Changing host < 1622117493 411966 :Noisytoot!noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN :#esolangs < 1622117539 687322 :spirgel!spirgel@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/spirgel QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1622117569 785825 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: thanks, I didn't know about ! to pick an interp (for all my poking around on hackeso) < 1622117586 742002 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` \! "befunge &&+.@" <<< "7 8" < 1622117587 898194 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :15 < 1622117596 508243 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for input < 1622117622 683145 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` ./bef2 <(echo "&&+.@") <<< "7 8" < 1622117623 653699 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :15 < 1622117722 662465 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is my 'patched' version of the binary that disables http://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/interps/befunge/bef.c#l231 < 1622117823 582523 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The historical context is that the whole interps/ibin stuff comes from when EgoBot was disbanded, and all its interpreters were copied over to HackEgo, from where HackEso inherited them from. < 1622117861 571171 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The prefix for EgoBot was ! (as in, !befunge ...), so the command to invoke former EgoBot tools became `!. < 1622117887 206326 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aha. < 1622117934 1411 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the patch is `sed 's/\x03.bf/\x03\x00 /' ../interps/befunge/bef.bin > bef2` , which turns the appended .bf to a null string < 1622117957 252292 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/HackEso#Interpreters "TODO EgoBot, !" -- okay, the documentation does have some gaps here. :) < 1622118011 712297 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :What I was trying to do is pipe the output from a seed interpreter to a befunge interpreter (ideally befunge98), but that isn't working because the original Seed code doesn't include `@` terminators :( < 1622118071 578920 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` \! "befunge $(./🌱 4 141745954)" <<< '8 9' < 1622118073 31839 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :17 Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ 18 Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ 18 Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ 18 Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ 18 Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ 18 Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffffff) (maybe not Befunge-93?) \ 18 Unsupported instruction '' (0xffffff < 1622118170 594356 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that's because the wiki Seed examples aren't perfect, and I haven't bothered to generate terminating ones, because that last char adds a lot of time. I don't think b98 auto terminates (compared to b93)? < 1622118234 590661 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIRC, in Funge-98 unrecognized instructions are supposed to act as r (reflect the direction). < 1622118297 173118 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And of course the *lack* of any instructions is just empty space, which wraps around, but that was already the case in '93.) < 1622118304 726432 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wish there was a way to annotate the stack in funge < 1622118306 116988 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, so the difference will be in exactly how they don't terminate < 1622118331 441880 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :because I do the ...........@ and see 0 -2 9 -2 0 0 0 2 and who the hell knows what does it mean I already forgot half of this stack < 1622118354 354710 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wrote down some notes on my preferred Befunge editor, and one of its features would have been per-cell stack annotations shown in a sidebar or a statusline. < 1622118365 437514 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I've never gotten around to implementing it. < 1622118368 796995 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The most interesting thing about writing a Seed interpreter was discovering that the seed produces different results in Python 2 vs Python 3 < 1622118375 33156 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :once I start forgetting the stack meaning faster than reremembering it I just cancel solving it < 1622118423 910372 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there were a few other features in those notes that I thought were halfway clever. Should really pick it up. < 1622118440 762327 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably I would be able to add the annotation to the debugger that I haven't made < 1622118515 308349 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I imagine that I annotate an instruction and so when it executes the annotation applies to the stack values that appeared there < 1622118557 363760 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that would probably mean I should print stack vertically, not horizontally so I could print annotations horizontally < 1622118566 458789 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*display < 1622118684 762359 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but how would you put the annotations in code? maybe some "comment lines" that you either delete in the end (and then have no idea how it works when you come back to the program in a month) or leave it there rejecting the plan to golf the code < 1622118744 244074 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or keep it in a special annotation-friendly interpreter that can reformat the code to remove them to "publish a clean version" of code < 1622118797 640443 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ideally it should be a real fancy text editor that would allow to annotate pieces of code and see/edit them by placing cursor/mouse on it < 1622118809 530406 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :some custom GUI component < 1622118822 27740 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'm so far from making such things > 1622118832 249510 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Forth14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83503&oldid=83494 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+41) 10/* External resources */ Revive links using Web Archive > 1622118909 235589 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Forth14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83504&oldid=83503 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* colorForth */ Wayback < 1622118909 812602 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, it's like how Word users comment the doc < 1622118933 191383 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe I should code in Word?... or a Google Doc at least < 1622118971 671724 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :comments go orthogonal to your code, so for a funge they need to be in the 3rd dimension < 1622118975 854436 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's possible to write applications for google docsactually < 1622119053 534319 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I imagine the google docs app can do fetch requests and so I won't even need to reimplement RASEL in it < 1622119083 854233 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it would still need to implement some sort of the debugger that is the actual place where you need those annotations < 1622119113 839506 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or at least the ........@ way of "debug prints" that I use should also annotate the stdout then < 1622119172 28020 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat 🌱 < 1622119172 815892 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#!/bin/bash \ python -c"import random as r;x=range;r.seed($2);print(''.join([chr((x(32,127)+[10])[r.randint(0,95)]) for i in x($1)]))" < 1622119214 25264 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: is that a useful command to commit? Would I just cp to /bin to commit it? < 1622119255 98441 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN :#esolangs < 1622119291 365554 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a Mersense twister random string generator, synced to the spec of the Seed language < 1622119300 167671 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` for n in 28331 835133 30029010;do ./🌱 $((i++ + 2)) $n;done < 1622119301 541869 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No \ Yes \ True < 1622119346 453114 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It can generate text like that which is probably more practical than befunge. I'm still trying to find 'False' output < 1622119466 785804 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION failed to google an "IDE with commenting the code like in MS Word" < 1622119626 797869 :variable!~someone@user/variable JOIN :#esolangs < 1622120088 95653 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622120459 842196 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, looks like Google Apps Script can't obtain Comments from Doc but it can get them from Spreadsheet < 1622120501 237522 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it would be possible to write the funge code one char per Spreadsheet cell < 1622120613 727575 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine writing such annotated code on one Sheet of the Spreadsheet, pressing the button, and the result will be printed on the second Sheet < 1622120651 642594 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :vertically the run history, horizontally the stack < 1622121170 280690 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Looks like it's possible to call Cloud Functions from Apps Script authentified but only if they are in the same Project, i.e. if I make such thing I won't be able to give anyone access to it unless I set the Function to allow anonymous calls < 1622121239 266393 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I figured out why my random numbers were different between py2 and py3, random.randrange() changed in 3.2 . I can use `int(r.random()*96)` instead of `randint(0, 95)` and the output will behave the same. The _seed_ behaviour only changed for bytes and str, ints is consistent < 1622121720 737564 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` 🌱 () { python3 -c"import random as r;x=range;r.seed($2);print(''.join([chr(([*x(32,127), 10])[int(r.random()*96)]) for i in x($1)]))";}; 🌱 2 73 < 1622121724 437858 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​:P > 1622122061 150757 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83505&oldid=83500 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+35) 10Summary > 1622122087 974895 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83506&oldid=83505 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-2) 10n < 1622122518 763425 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Quit: trotz alledem! < 1622122532 372747 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :meh, the "QT Marketplace" in 2021 does not provide much more choice than it was built in it IDEs like C++Builder and Visual Studio back in 2005 < 1622122575 710269 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN :#esolangs < 1622122583 653825 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and now it's even impossible to find there anything, because there in those IDEs the components had previews and now those are just text items in the stupid mobile-friendly website < 1622122653 50496 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or maybe there is the "gallery" that I just didn't see yet < 1622123147 176720 :variable!~someone@user/variable QUIT :Quit: Found 1 in /dev/zero < 1622123255 338801 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Literate programming" is the conventional term for when you want to make comments except more so. < 1622123281 545787 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though I think usually not in the sort of Google Docs style highlight-and-separate-associated-comment-thread style. < 1622123708 996237 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: There isn't a high bar for making HackEso commands, and usefulness isn't required. If you want one, yes, you just need to put it in /hackenv/bin, or ../bin in terms of the default working directory (/hackenv/tmp). For one-liners, people sometimes use: `mkx ../bin/foo//contents of command foo < 1622123728 322147 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also do take into account that when executed as `foo bar baz, the argument line isn't tokenized by whitespace, so 'bar baz' will be passed as the first positional argument. Many commands need tweaking to cater for that. < 1622123859 772531 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And as a consequence, often when you're using ``, something that would "naturally" be q{`` foo bar baz} must become q{`` foo 'bar baz'} instead. Though some commands are user-friendly enough to support both (usually by joining all arguments together, as if by "$*", before splitting them apart as needed). < 1622124124 754047 :MrAureliusR!~MrAureliu@user/mraureliusr PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there a good editor for working on whitespace code? < 1622124132 369987 :MrAureliusR!~MrAureliu@user/mraureliusr PRIVMSG #esolangs :emacs has a whitespace mode which isn't *too* bad < 1622124815 852747 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :MrAureliusR I guess you can code in another alphabet < 1622124830 329378 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and translate it in between < 1622124840 424385 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a Vim thing, I don't know if it's any good either. < 1622124935 790080 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=5035 probably. < 1622124956 603252 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think it does all *that* much though. < 1622125164 134575 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b9875e.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esolangs < 1622125808 879331 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I see the importance of getting the arguments tokenized both ways -- now handles both forms < 1622125815 917932 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`🌱 2 3406 < 1622125817 538015 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​:) < 1622125830 940730 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` 🌱 2 73 < 1622125832 194421 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​:P < 1622125904 616988 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` for n in 28331 835133 30029010;do 🌱 $((i++ + 2)) $n;done < 1622125906 150707 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No \ Yes \ True < 1622126738 96783 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :seeding < 1622126742 290088 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's a pun < 1622126900 100212 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ideally I would expand this thing https://befunge.flogisoft.com/ < 1622126943 91211 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` \? $(🌱 3 1009578) < 1622126944 614206 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Puns are fun. Ask shachaf about them. But beware of Muphry adding misspellings. < 1622126971 388371 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it would be hard to make something based on it; hard to take the parts I need out < 1622127066 589567 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this numbers thing reminded me another funny local personality < 1622127092 109148 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said that he has invented the compression based on division < 1622127141 399995 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"just find two numbers that diving one on another produce the infinite chain of digits you need and you'll be able to compress the whole CD in several digits" < 1622127184 818233 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Seed is a pretty poor compression algorithm ... on average. It'd be great to find one really good counter-examples < 1622127207 881103 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, yeah, that's pretty much the same concept < 1622127228 214682 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If it's the right CD, sure :) < 1622127300 741516 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Waterfall sounds (synthesised) > 1622127742 590272 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Patternfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83507&oldid=81205 5* 03Robolta 5* (+1) 10/* Interpreters */ > 1622127757 976732 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Patternfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83508&oldid=83507 5* 03Robolta 5* (-2) 10/* Interpreters */ > 1622127999 427429 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:VilgotanL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83509&oldid=82925 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+32) 10added languages i've created < 1622128373 635857 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1622128883 841222 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Waterfall sounds (synthesised) => lol < 1622128894 168134 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that white or pink? < 1622129432 776846 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The problem with that question is, people keep using the term "waterfall plot" for a spectrogram with a vertical time axis, meaning it's hard to find good results that are actually related to spectra of real waterfalls. < 1622129513 386964 :g1n!~g1n@195.114.147.91 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622129552 371386 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Galburn, L & Ali, TT, 2013, Acoustical and perceptual assessment of water sounds and their use over road traffic noise, JASA 133(1), pp. 227-237, suggests it's pretty white, all things considered. < 1622129597 555424 :g1n!~g1n@195.114.147.91 PART #esolangs :WeeChat 3.1 < 1622129622 295663 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Cf. 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:VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622141342 189962 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 QUIT :Client Quit > 1622141392 356673 PRIVMSG #esolangs : h < 1622142002 201087 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: andydude < 1622142206 194309 :slavfox_!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN :#esolangs < 1622142289 165017 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1622142292 792372 :slavfox_!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 NICK :slavfox < 1622142491 222885 :adu_!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esolangs < 1622142583 561152 :adu_!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1622142599 113429 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esolangs < 1622142654 651724 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I read “synaesthesized” in place of “synthesized” :o < 1622142770 241516 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.90 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tried to draw those projection things with a cone with circle and parabola on it in geogebra 3D mode, and it was surprisingly neat < 1622143564 287722 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@2a02:ab88:6:9f00:d65d:64ff:fe3a:f77f JOIN :#esolangs < 1622143594 539979 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@2a02:ab88:6:9f00:d65d:64ff:fe3a:f77f PRIVMSG #esolangs :libera's official webchat at https://web.libera.chat/ is ready. this seems like a good time to make the channel move official and put a webchat link to the wiki page < 1622143609 921406 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-223.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie, what's your opinion? < 1622143733 128311 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In my latest talk page post I said I'd do it unless anyone objects "by EOW", but I'm not too fussy about waiting if people want to go ahead. < 1622143744 349179 :fizzie!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :What you could *definitely* do though is to replace the kiwiirc link I put on https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal > 1622143785 817164 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=83522&oldid=83495 5* 03B jonas 5* (-23) 10webchat link < 1622143820 872643 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, although, the