< 1624406459 841783 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624406683 551845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1624407246 166033 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1624407973 198003 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1624408776 799517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs : I was told that even though swedish "ö" and norwegian "ø" are basically the same letter with a different shape, the same is not at all true for swedish "ä" versus norwegian "æ". I think this is something I should have noticed, but every time I saw something that pointed to it, I just assumed it's because norwegian spells everything weird. < 1624408804 980022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i haven't heard of it, and looking at wikipedia's letter histories that doesn't fit. < 1624408838 168271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :æ and ä are both modifications of ae > 1624408872 387740 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Clart14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84910 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+8176) 10Created page with " '''Clart''' is an object-oriented mildly esoteric programming language designed and implemented by [[User:PolySaken]]. == Overview == Clart programs are composed of instruc..." < 1624408890 642803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ö is a modification of oe, and ø _might_ also be, there are two theories on the wikipedia page, the other suggests ø is from anglo-saxon oi < 1624408965 995271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :so if those are the theories, then if anything it's ø and ö which are different. of course they are _used_ equivalently, and in fact older norwegian/danish sometimes used ö instead of ø (also from wikipedia) < 1624408995 358651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*if those are the plausible theories < 1624409046 536229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(i'd heard before that umlaut is from e, and æ is pretty transparent, so it's only really ø i doubt, like wikipedia.) < 1624409423 549711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :also according to wikipedia, old norse used æ rather than ä, so swedish borrowed the latter from german later. i think it may be similar with ø and ö, although i didn't find that explicitly. < 1624409639 376945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(although it's mentioned that old icelandic used ø.) < 1624409696 526154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh i suppose that's also a form of old norse. so the swedish letters are newer overall. > 1624409783 227864 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Clart14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84911&oldid=84910 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+1044) 10 < 1624409952 250920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :as for why the alphabet orders are different, i don't really know but it's probably essentially because danish and swedish developed their spellings independently, during a time when relations were less friendly. norway was part of the danish kingdom then, and norwegian bokmål started out as adapted danish. < 1624410121 217900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :the use of å in danish/norwegian was iirc part of a reform to decrease the spelling differences around 1900 (when relations had got more friendly and possibly when norway was part of the _swedish_ kingdom) < 1624410144 522571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :before that, danish/norwegian used aa < 1624410240 29793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(norway separated from sweden in 1905 so not sure which happened first) < 1624410308 690972 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624410354 481468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(for completeness, norway transfered from denmark to sweden in 1814 as a result of sweden and denmark choosing winning and losing sides in the napoleonic wars respectively (despite sweden's king being a former _general_ of napoleon) < 1624410358 416481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :) < 1624410470 272231 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1624410488 431316 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Last_Resort isn't known to be Turing-complete, you're thinking of the https://esolangs.org/wiki/I/D_machine < 1624410513 551029 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, I notice someone made a new category, contrary to policy, and am not sure what to do about it < 1624410531 773842 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :presumably, either delete it or add Feather to it, as it's looking a little empty at the moment < 1624410553 934917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: oh! of course the å being added later to danish/norwegian is an _explanation_ for why it's last in those alphabets. < 1624410584 36891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :although the other two are still reversed as well. < 1624410588 977611 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, both The Waterfall Model and BCT are easier to program in than "deliberately obnoxious" esolangs are, they're just very low-level < 1624410593 309454 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but they can both be plausibly written by hand > 1624410594 367622 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84912&oldid=83973 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+402) 10 > 1624410641 856700 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Abethel 5* 10New user account > 1624410693 504712 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Categorization14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84913&oldid=84912 5* 03Ais523 5* (+439) 10/* Category Proposal: 'Impossible To Implement' as Subset of unimplemented */ pretty much already exists < 1624410700 791121 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I don't think I was thinking of I/D machine in particular < 1624410717 420828 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, OK < 1624410718 552451 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I understand that Last Resort is the wrong example < 1624410753 332469 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :Deadly Headshot (Mobile) < 1624410771 390518 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/2C has been pretty good for me in terms of being easy to prove things TC with, too < 1624410787 38557 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"of course they are _used_ equivalently" => that is what I care about here, how the letters etymologically correspond in the spelling of different languges, rather than how the glyphs were invented > 1624410847 743838 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Clart14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84914&oldid=84911 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+59) 10 < 1624410902 890176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure what that means. < 1624410905 707741 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the I/D machine is good for proving things TC if they have random-access memory, https://esolangs.org/wiki/The_Amnesiac_From_Minsk or The Waterfall Model for counters (or things that can be made to simulate counters), 2C for string- and queue-based languages < 1624411007 720811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :incidentally, danish and norwegian use æ fairly differently. in norwegian, it's pretty much always _pronounced_ [æ], unlike in danish. (and swedish ä is also more variable.) < 1624411049 952292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's not clear that etymological correspondence gets any simpler than glyph histories. < 1624411076 425546 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Stun_Step is another good example of something that's more or less directly "simpler" than BF < 1624411086 954619 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: I mean the words that have "å" in swedish will usually have an etymologically related word in norwegian that is usually also spelled with an "å" ("två" vs "to" notwithstanding) and backwards for norwegian words with an "å"; and swedish words with "ö" will usually have an etymologically related word in norwegian that is spelled with an "ø" and backwards; but the same is generally not true < 1624411092 963528 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for swedish words spelled with an "ä" < 1624411156 424726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, norwegian often uses e where danish uses æ or swedish ä < 1624411172 215883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially in front of r. < 1624411196 955562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :when short. < 1624411208 989591 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can also go simpler than cyclic tag: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Echo_Tag < 1624411274 379721 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION understands near nothing about the computational classes
< 1624411277 549861 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw < 1624411319 190731 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: well ok, but 2C is one that would be particularly unsuitable for implementing in Rasel < 1624411335 37665 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which was the original question < 1624411335 543597 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure what Rasel is like, so I'm just talking in general terms < 1624411355 698799 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :although < 1624411388 483970 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps I'm wrong in that and you can do some funny Gödel arithmetic magic thing while representing the whole string as a single bignum < 1624411391 114686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: when i looked into swedish phonology a while i discovered one important reason: unlike norwegian, swedish distinguishes open and closed e as long vowel phonemes, written ä and e respectively. (overall, swedish vowel spelling is more logical than norwegian.) < 1624411396 700675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*a while ago > 1624411398 816639 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84915&oldid=84888 5* 03Abethel 5* (+458) 10Introduce myself < 1624411402 102927 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :google has a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine_results_page#Featured_Snippets from esolang wiki < 1624411410 230941 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/IBNjxbN.png < 1624411445 731856 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I assume this thing (Rasel) has an unboundedly large playfield/program space, but it only ever contains the program the user entered, so the size is fixed for any given program < 1624411467 937443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(short e is always open in both languages. oh and swedish regularly turns open e into [æ] before r.) < 1624411498 446112 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that is correct for the code space; the data space is the Rasel stack and it can grow unbounded both in depth of stack and how large the contained numbers are < 1624411521 436132 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I call it "stack" but you can actually random access it < 1624411544 984868 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1624411557 61807 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :my first thought is to compile Mini-Flak into Rasel, but we don't actually have an article about Mini-Flak yet < 1624411561 948201 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I'm planning to write one < 1624411603 220482 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :What the *what*. < 1624411606 342168 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't heard of that one, but we also don't actually have an article specifically about two/three stack machines with arbitrary finite control < 1624411611 21047 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, it's just MediaWiki, I'm not surprised Google indexer can extract good snippets from it in theory. I'm just blown away by the idea that we're the featured snippet for a query like "computational classes". Though not quite as blown away as I'd be if that was the case for "computational class" too. < 1624411615 276195 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there was a flak cannon in ut2004 < 1624411663 735063 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are adverts for our Esolang wiki running on Stack Exchange, and none of us put them there < 1624411707 397522 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Want to find a programming language that's – unique? – hard to use? – just plain weird? Esolang – the esoteric programming language wiki" < 1624411782 205600 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Weird. Well, at least our Google search performance hasn't really improved lately. We have an average search result position of 20, an average CTR of 0.9% and generally somewhere in the order of 10 daily clicks. < 1624411794 313562 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: on which Stack Exchange site? there's a meta post in each SE site where those advertisments are defined, and they have history like normal posts so we can tell who put the adverts there < 1624411803 168154 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And the most popular query is still "intcode".) < 1624411803 786590 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: code golf and coding challenges, unsurprisingly < 1624411849 15076 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, I shouldn've guessed that, though the other possibility is Stack Overflow to keep esolang stuff away from it like we keep them away from en.wikipedia < 1624411883 179873 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/23544/6691 < 1624411892 156411 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also on the top list is the very clearly organic search query `inurl:logs intext:get https:// ext:txt intext:password intext:username` which brings up this (well, the previous) channel's logs from 2013-05-22. < 1624411899 53405 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn, I didn't know their formatting doesn't replace newlines with spaces https://github.com/topics/esolang < 1624411942 377823 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: that is organic, I think, in that the people searching for that do care about the results < 1624411957 424255 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :…probably this explains the low click-through rate, as we're a false positive for it :-D < 1624411959 554535 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Is there a possible path to explaining complexity classes for nakilon and others in a way that would let us get beyond mere Turing-completeness? < 1624411996 349644 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: well, classes beyond TC are quite hard to define, as you're talking about something that we believe can't exist, so it's starting to get into the realm of philosophy rather than programming < 1624411999 912049 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know that that's your focus, but I would very much like a P/BQP/PP/CSP/NP fine-grained explainer page. < 1624412002 688891 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: that sounds like two different problems clumped together > 1624412017 601121 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PolySaken14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84916&oldid=84901 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+511) 10 < 1624412018 575492 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I wanted to go down, not up, sorry. "Beyond" was a poorly-chosen word. < 1624412064 987239 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: one about explaining what complexity classes are and all the lots of basic stuff theorems taught about them; and learning about complexity classes more powerful than turing-complete < 1624412167 257888 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you want to do the first one at your own time, then there's Aho, Ullman, "The Theory of Parsing, Translation, and Compiling", (1972; ISBN 0139145567) < 1624412212 998512 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm just wondering if there's a better option than directly linking to the Complexity Zoo. < 1624412287 551763 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins < 1624412296 751471 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624412396 542554 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: yes, the zoo is a reference, not a textbook < 1624412430 993038 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is this meme https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/56b609a3cd4b463f683e912b2e191320.jpg < 1624412443 179434 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :textbooks are Aho–Ullman or David Madore's (scrambles to find the link) < 1624412444 643379 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it says: "too complex, goodbye :)" < 1624412459 60677 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :course notes http://perso.enst.fr/~madore/inf105/notes-inf105.pdf linked from http://www.madore.org/~david/weblog/d.2017-11-10.2477.html < 1624412459 919858 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's what I think when I take a look at the articles you link < 1624412563 683477 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1624412572 477086 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but these two are not the right introduction if you care about complexity classes more potent than Turing-complete < 1624412610 663747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i, i too complex < 1624412610 755530 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1624412621 986901 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless you want only NR the class of recursively enumerable languages, which is an important class on its own > 1624412661 985158 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Clart14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84917&oldid=84914 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+24) 10 < 1624412662 117609 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I just think that the wording on the wiki could be simpler. < 1624412714 455401 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wording? what wiki page? < 1624412736 139476 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Computational_class ? \ < 1624412741 850120 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think I've ever tried to read that one < 1624412841 563577 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :TIL that page. Never mind! This is good. > 1624412921 289011 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84918&oldid=84883 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+73) 10 < 1624412947 318968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION is annoyed that putty doesn't seem to have a reliable solution to ssh session disconnecting (the keepalive setting sometimes doesn't help, and according to docs can make things _worse_ in some cases.)
< 1624413010 772071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :and of course a web search turns up suggestions to turn on keepalive as if i hadn't already. > 1624413102 203113 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mini-Flak14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84919 5* 03Ais523 5* (+3301) 10this could do with an article; start with just a basic specification (a longer article would certainly be possible but I don't want to write it right now) < 1624413158 125189 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: for categories below TC, I think the one we care most about at Esolang are finite-state and push-down automaton < 1624413228 488016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :linear bounded sometimes comes up too < 1624413242 13002 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :which are both related to memory restrictions: finite-state languages have only a finite amount of memory, and push-down automata have only a finite amount of memory + one unbounded stack, where each element of the stack is drawn from a set of finitely many possibilities < 1624413243 789401 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: This is understandable. I care most about P vs NP, but that is probably just my obsession with performance. < 1624413280 410031 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :P and NP are a bit subtle because they require you to define the "size of the problem" you're working on < 1624413294 329586 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and depending on the details of that definition you can get different results < 1624413308 307963 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but a sensible way to define it is to talk about the number of bits/bytes (doesn't matter) of input that's given to the program < 1624413342 358467 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :then, a language in P says that the execution time of any program in the language must be bounded by some polynomial of the size of the input < 1624413364 108839 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624413366 298916 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. But it'd be nice to make it clear to users. To use a non-esoteric example, CHR is solidly in NP under our current understanding, because it's built on CSP. < 1624413380 325758 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and "P-complete" would mean that the language is in P, and also is capable of expressing any program that can be written in any language in P) < 1624413407 120421 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :NP is weird, and easier to understand than it is to explain it to someone else, which doesn't help much with teaching it < 1624413407 544557 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. Again with a non-esoteric example, Pola is P-complete. < 1624413460 975158 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, there was an article for Mini-Flak already, just spelled differently < 1624413489 244697 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :mine's better :-P I'm going to make the old one into a redirect and merge the example program < 1624413589 451280 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"CHR is solidly in NP under our current understanding, because it's built on CSP." => am I just too tired to understand this? what are "CHR" and "CSP"? > 1624413607 241361 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mini-Flak14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84920&oldid=84919 5* 03Ais523 5* (+111) 10merge content from [[Miniflak]], which I didn't realise existed until after I'd written this (given that most sources for the language spell its name with a hyphen) < 1624413632 107740 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1624413635 369900 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mini-Flak14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84921&oldid=84920 5* 03Ais523 5* (+28) 10merge the cats too < 1624413638 445438 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :CHR, Constraint Handling Rules, is a mainstream logic proglang. It's usually found as an embedded DSL. < 1624413686 879446 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :CSP is Constraint Satisfaction Problems. This class sits between P and NP and contains problems like whether a Datalog database satisfies an input query. > 1624413698 176737 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Miniflak14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84922&oldid=50951 5* 03Ais523 5* (-802) 10merging into [[Mini-Flak]] (an independently created article about the same language, with the more commonly used spelling for its name) > 1624413733 890418 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84923&oldid=84909 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1) 10/* M */ correct the spelling of [[Mini-Flak]] to the more commonly used spelling < 1624413780 378018 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that scared me for a moment, just on account of being a small TC language that uses multiple different kinds of brackets in its source code, but no, it doesn't seem to be related to Consumer Society < 1624413784 347375 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: thanks < 1624413803 295918 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :No worries. Sorry for using so many acronyms. > 1624413830 316021 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07RASEL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84924&oldid=83635 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+166) 10added link to a translator from brainfuck to rasel < 1624413897 376447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( TLAs FTL ) < 1624414005 887962 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :* Ais523 * (+28) merge the cats too < 1624414008 620612 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :poor cats < 1624414009 981003 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Waterfall Model should compile into RASEL pretty easily too, I think, thinking about it < 1624414039 470576 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Whirlpool Model even more easily; I'm not sure I ever proved that one TC < 1624414051 285122 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I thought of that first, but I think a multiple-stack machine with finite control actually maps better < 1624414098 475137 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Whirlpool Model? that doesn't even seem to be defined on the wiki under that name < 1624414115 157157 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Whirlpool is Waterfall with the restriction that the command table is cyclically symmetric, i.e. the effect of stack a zeroing on stack b is constant for any value of a-b (mod the number of counters) < 1624414118 209273 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :) < 1624414127 55547 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, I haven't talked about it yet < 1624414137 726188 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or maybe something is wrong with how I search, because "Whirlpool" should at least find something about the trintercal unary operator < 1624414175 62389 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :oddly that operator isn't named as "whirlpool" in the https://esolangs.org/wiki/TriINTERCAL article < 1624414181 861727 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait... < 1624414185 384385 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :only as "BUT" and "@" < 1624414190 264141 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, TriIntercal with two is < 1624414193 916606 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :two eyes < 1624414240 480217 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that doesn't mention "bookworm" either. our wiki's documentation about intercal and triintercal is rather lacking < 1624414250 130489 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the problem with The Whirlpool Model is that it's hard to make an article about it that's more interesting than "this is The Waterfall Model with this one restriction" < 1624414257 406108 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless you have a TCness proof, and I don't < 1624414274 849091 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: then don't make a separate article, just mention it in the article about the Waterfall Model > 1624414304 980957 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84925&oldid=84893 5* 03Rphii 5* (+148) 10/* Examples */ add factorial example < 1624414307 377920 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(oerjan and I have a TCness proof for the case where counters go down 2 at a time rather than 1, and we only trigger on zero counters not negative counters, but that's much easier to prove) < 1624414310 176872 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there should be a language that calls some web api to check current stars and planet position to decide how to execute < 1624414331 891290 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :why need a web API, other than possibly one that detects changes to the rotation of the Earth? < 1624414348 126720 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the positions of planets and stars are believed to be very predictable, so you can just implement it in your program < 1624414367 133380 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh it can take current time actually and calculate their positions < 1624414369 899959 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh, make it only work if you have GPS hardware connected to correct for that, that's more reliable (though more restrictive too) than a web API < 1624414373 814978 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1624414379 791330 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, the rotation of the Earth does sometimes change in measurable but unpredictable ways, which is why we need a central time database to tell us when the leap seconds are < 1624414398 597052 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(not by very *much*, but enough that we can measure it) < 1624414432 599217 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can integrate it with the real telescope but it would have pretty low performance < 1624414453 192056 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's even more restrictive < 1624414471 219679 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the behaviour of the runtime will be more defined at night rather than in day or if it's cloudy < 1624414490 716249 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can get a GPS signal in much more places and times than observe anything useful with a telescope < 1624414509 812823 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was working on an esolang a while back, which works like this: we have a high-quality PRNG (with known seed) which defines an infinite universe of non-overlapping 3D objects, drawn from a particular set, in random positions and orientations < 1624414527 464749 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the objects are reflective < 1624414542 307527 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and a program is a starting position and direction for a laser beam somewhere in that infinite universe, which bounces off the objects < 1624414542 398944 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in particular, because of some stupid technical reasons for how current computer hardware works, we usually prefer to put computers inside buildings or at least covered by a ceiling < 1624414554 19833 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, I abandoned it because I couldn't make it TC, and it isn't interesting unless it's TC < 1624414558 336149 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can get GPS signal in many buildings, but you can't always see then sun from inside them < 1624414573 854815 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :sounds like something to run on RTX < 1624414613 825115 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: hmm, that reminds me to a MathOverflow question > 1624414614 374635 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84926&oldid=84925 5* 03Rphii 5* (+144) 10/* Commands */ explicitly said that inlining is possible < 1624414625 388355 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/ to / of / < 1624414657 641286 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas I would say it's ok if the language works only under sky, it's like a biological life that prefers the surface of the planet < 1624414657 736743 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :prepositions translate so badly between languages < 1624414718 977771 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's literally an environment > 1624414732 152654 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84927&oldid=84926 5* 03Rphii 5* (+11) 10/* Factorial */ add a newline after printing result < 1624414747 373176 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://mathoverflow.net/q/156344/5340 < 1624414783 642337 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I know that particular one, because it's a mistake that others kept pointing out to me, so I learned it < 1624414831 210734 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I assume it's "remind to" in Hungarian? < 1624414832 252979 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if I think about it, "of" still sounds wrong < 1624414855 494569 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"remind to" can be valid in English, but only if the thing you're being reminded of is an action you need to take right now < 1624414862 299782 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. an alarm clock reminds you to wake up < 1624414864 256697 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I think it depends on the objects. There are some fractal surfaces which can exhibit self-reflection. It would be interesting if we could show that we could decide if a given fractal's got divergent patches of surface area. < 1624414877 689001 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: is that only with a verb infinitive after "to"? > 1624414879 238042 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84928&oldid=84927 5* 03Rphii 5* (-102) 10/* Numbers */ the ?-number is good < 1624414881 834735 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: right < 1624414884 516610 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and to your question, at least it's closer to "remind to" < 1624415000 54018 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hungarian has twelve common noun cases that come up all the time with various different meanings, and they don't map all that well to English prepositions, except for the unmarked nominative case which is more or less than same as English subject position < 1624415041 350876 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, so the original is some form of dative? < 1624415059 949702 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the second is for what English calls direct objects, one miscellaneous one, and then a table of 3x3 that most overtly mean from, from on, from in, at, on, in, to, onto, into < 1624415061 398980 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that makes a lot of sense actually < 1624415102 53813 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and "emlékeztet", which is what I translate "reminds" to, that comes with the onto case < 1624415157 845559 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Latin has two cases which resemble prepositions (three if you count the genitive), so seeing a language generalize the concept isn't much of a surprise < 1624415178 867650 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(in English, a genitive like "b_jonas's" is a separate case, but in French the same construction uses a preposition) < 1624415240 929153 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this, by the way, results in some funny stuff in bad translations of mail+calendar programs, the ones that use a single localizable message "To" for both the recipient of an email and the end time of an interval entry in the calendar. and the interface puts that one thing before the noun. < 1624415270 862292 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sounds like an impossible job for the translator :-D < 1624415315 391904 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least mark them as to^recipient and to^until in the translation source so that there's some hope of being able to get it right < 1624415379 679630 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: as far as I'm aware, just one "to" prefix more or less works in the French, German, Swedish translations, so clearly you don't need to do that < 1624415411 759303 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::) < 1624415475 505916 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact, it's worse, given that the recipient could be a person you should logically have to^female and to^male to get the grammar right, but the email client has no way to know the gender of the recipient < 1624415488 347580 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :just what a great foresight the people who invented email MIME headers had to name that field "To" instead of "Recipient", now we don't need extra strings in the translation < 1624415514 597076 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I learned how to do translation markup from video games, where the people you're referring to are normally fictional people you've invented and thus you know their genders) < 1624415552 748783 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: in what language would you have to distinguish between genders in the context of an email recipient? > 1624415553 71440 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03RandoPerso 5* 10New user account < 1624415563 376779 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean if it's called "to" rather than "recipient" < 1624415570 824022 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if it was "recipient" than maybe < 1624415572 461662 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I don't know any for certain offhand < 1624415597 641800 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, say, in Latin, if you want "to" as a preposition to say that someone is a recipient, you need to transform the end of their name rather than using a separate word < 1624415605 886575 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the correct transformation depends on their gender < 1624415628 619761 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, true < 1624415635 637397 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :so in practice you would need to translate to "recipient" instead and that might also depend on their gender < 1624415666 333195 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :latin had a word for writing a letter to a woman? < 1624415676 853601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm still sarcastic < 1624415694 423301 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just looked it up < 1624415714 917686 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :the Latin word for "recipient" is "acceptor" or "acceptrix" depending on whether the recipient is male or female < 1624415727 265728 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice < 1624415729 391661 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't know for certain that it would be gender-dependent, but lots of words in Latin are, so this one doesn't surprise me < 1624415765 471149 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :("acceptor" seems to have become an English word, but typically only used for inanimate objects rather than people; "acceptrix" hasn't) < 1624415817 326569 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, maybe this is why the ancient Romans didn't have email < 1624415964 531139 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :$ echo "+" | ruby examples/bf_translator.rb < 1624415964 649657 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs ::03--::\01--G1G//%1\1-\$0@ > 1624415965 574303 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84929&oldid=84915 5* 03RandoPerso 5* (+257) 10 < 1624415974 284813 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION sighs
< 1624416155 43033 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :to be clear, Hungarian ordinary nouns have 15 common cases, but only 12 of them are heavily overloaded to mean all sorts of different things, the other 3 have just one or two easy to define meanings < 1624416482 687110 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh b_jonas https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cas_grammatical#/media/Fichier:Number_of_grammatical_cases_hic01.png < 1624416517 555229 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if the 7th one is the same all over the place that is in Ukrainian < 1624416578 952178 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocative_case < 1624416895 271094 :ais523!~ais523@82-132-217-139.dab.02.net QUIT :Quit: quit < 1624416937 997134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i remember some page about how to do translation markup in one of the haskell web frameworks < 1624417004 154381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :it sort of mentioned how you could use arbitrary haskell functions, and how this might even handle something really complicated like russian numbers < 1624417037 108433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently different russian numbers differ in both how they themselves and the noun they're applied to inflect < 1624417153 48588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually i'm not entirely sure if it mentioned russian numbers, or if i merely combined what it said with what i'd learned about russian numbers elsewhere < 1624417223 18013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the -nek/nak case, is that one of the other 3, or that "miscellaneous" you mentioned? > 1624417237 607380 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PolySaken14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84930&oldid=84916 5* 03PolySaken 5* (+4) 10 < 1624417246 287852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(i know that can work as either dative or genitive) < 1624417346 995433 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624417638 792259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: i checked ukranian, lithuanian and czech and they all have the same set. < 1624417639 995442 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624417686 878310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :polish too < 1624417693 557958 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk what was your page about but "1" - один одного одному один одним одном; and there is a difference between numbers and digits, so number 1 is "один" but digit 1 is "единица" -- it's kind of like "zero" and "null" or "none" but there are two words for all 10 < 1624417712 678112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i recall latin has ablative instead but it lacks locative and instrumental so only gets 6 < 1624417723 979105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think proto-indoeuropean had those 8 < 1624417802 213702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: it was mostly how the noun's case can vary depending on the number that was intriguing < 1624417819 296111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :and some numerals are non-inflectable, while others aren't. < 1624417881 403213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :although i don't remember any details except that 1000000 seems to take genitive plural noun < 1624417886 178194 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :2 -- two -- два, двойка; pair -- пара; but also sometimes двойка means a pair in cases like a pair of horses, also тройка for three of them < 1624417887 330707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(at least sometimes) < 1624417925 51948 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm < 1624417973 359736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: anything the relevance to translation is that if you try to automatically translate the numeral and the noun separately, you'll get it wrong < 1624418005 299808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :even if you distinguish between singular and plural nouns, which is the only thing which matters in norwegian. < 1624418018 676049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :and english too, i guess. < 1624418039 841751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :no wait norwegian has gender. but not cases. < 1624418101 626873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :tldr: if you make a translation software without knowing anything about languages other than english, you're hosed. < 1624418116 642718 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, numbers don't have gender in Russian but digits are all female < 1624418153 706937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: the number 1 has the same gender as the noun, surely? that's the other thing i remember. < 1624418191 774457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i mean the kind of number you put in front of nouns, not the ones you use for counting, which i guess might be different. < 1624418234 295238 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :make one man - сделать одного мужчину; make one woman -- сделать одну женщину < 1624418282 39735 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :by "don't have gender" I mean they take the gender of the word they count < 1624418391 528980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :right < 1624418404 6212 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :two (of something male) -- два, two (of something female) -- две, two humans -- двое < 1624418477 715773 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :two males -- два or двое, two females -- две or двое, two mixed -- двое < 1624418662 965149 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait, these is only about 1 and 2, and starting from 3 there is still a form for counting humans but no distinction between male and female; 3 - три, трое < 1624418738 969366 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like native language is more complex than you think because these rules aren't being taught explicitly, you mostly already know them when you come to school < 1624418965 882987 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, now I imagine a programming language where you use case to call some methods on an object, like type casting < 1624419395 357831 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1624419488 696224 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624419523 592441 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1624419523 874281 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1624419780 698366 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624420068 902353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: have you looked at Perligata < 1624420090 477934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :not quite methods though < 1624420399 87973 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :рah < 1624420403 52137 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*hah > 1624422046 517402 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84931&oldid=84929 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+436) 10/* Introductions */ < 1624422540 145846 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624422808 103381 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624423910 289396 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :taught bf->rasel translator to make paths across already existing lines of code by inserting spaces in them -- size of helloworld improved from 2000 to 1000 chats < 1624424362 901847 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Currently the program doesn't print "Hello World!" but "you're a cunt" (I don't know what means that). I've changed the code to the one that is in the spanish Wikipedia." < 1624424372 773529 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(c) wikipedia brainfuck discussions page < 1624424447 758940 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 JOIN #esolangs * :anon > 1624424706 329076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84932 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+3064) 10Created page with "Blood32 is a language designed to emulate a Turing machine with terse syntax. It is a language designed for experimentation with abstract computation. Blood32 stands for Bool..." < 1624424742 753735 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1624425149 705458 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river > 1624425350 150611 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84933&oldid=84932 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+78) 10 > 1624425419 156068 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84934&oldid=84933 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-17) 10 < 1624425432 376194 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi > 1624425473 867179 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84935&oldid=84934 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+6) 10 > 1624425943 633939 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84936&oldid=84935 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-1984) 10 < 1624426750 925782 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, the brainfuck helloworld on rosettacode is also silently broken -- it prints Goodbye, Wrold! < 1624429633 431832 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :haha < 1624429635 749965 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i like that < 1624429715 33715 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :noone will ever know < 1624430344 23704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Flaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaky < 1624431948 187829 :RocketRace!~RocketRac@2400:4153:8481:a000:7491:d974:cad0:78cb JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] RocketRace < 1624432318 504767 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1624432591 212942 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624432626 332437 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1624432852 250000 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org JOIN #esolangs leah2 :Leah Neukirchen < 1624432966 174078 :RocketRace!~RocketRac@2400:4153:8481:a000:7491:d974:cad0:78cb QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1624433105 520470 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624433128 696650 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1624434734 401296 :salpynx!~salpynx@121.73.84.248 QUIT :Quit: Connection closed < 1624435644 245558 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: -nek is the third one, the third most common after nominative and object case, the one I didn't say anything about it and that is the most heavily overloaded < 1624435694 714725 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also causes the most ambiguities in practice because it's so overloaded, you often find trying to write sentences with two nouns in -nak case bound to two different other parts of the sentence and having to rewrite to avoid that < 1624435713 258316 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-185.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1624435869 634192 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624435919 644437 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624436449 174473 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1624436942 335101 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1624437386 249190 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624438767 214073 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.postimg.cc/dt4fmztx/conversation.png < 1624438918 52909 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624439400 688977 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624441701 433518 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84937&oldid=84928 5* 03Rphii 5* (+215) 10/* Instructions */ replace "counter" with "timer" and add section "stack" > 1624441732 131141 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84938&oldid=84937 5* 03Rphii 5* (-35) 10/* Rules */ removed text is in section "scope" > 1624441810 819733 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84939&oldid=84938 5* 03Rphii 5* (-2) 10replace "counter" with "timer" > 1624442366 317686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07S l o w14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84940&oldid=84316 5* 03Loris redstone 5* (+0) 10an error in a word > 1624442856 409610 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84941&oldid=84939 5* 03Rphii 5* (+183) 10added section and notice about interpreter > 1624443724 573317 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03AmNow 5* 10New user account > 1624443882 763002 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84942&oldid=84931 5* 03AmNow 5* (+184) 10 > 1624443968 142269 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84943 5* 03AmNow 5* (+98) 10Created page with "Hello, I am AmNow. I havent posted my esolangs yet, but hopefully we can see one in the future." > 1624445708 462949 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07()s14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84944 5* 03AmNow 5* (+1009) 10Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title={}s}} {}s (pronounced: Sets) is an esolang made by [[User:AmNow]]. (Phelo Saad) == Commands == {}: Expression (can be nested) ie: {%+%} %: the constant..." > 1624445798 42780 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84945&oldid=84943 5* 03AmNow 5* (-27) 10 > 1624445849 9115 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84946&oldid=84945 5* 03AmNow 5* (+0) 10 > 1624445915 919914 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84947&oldid=84946 5* 03AmNow 5* (+7) 10Changed wording. > 1624446377 495426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07()s14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84948&oldid=84944 5* 03AmNow 5* (+59) 10cats > 1624446469 372292 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07()s14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84949&oldid=84948 5* 03AmNow 5* (+0) 10misspell > 1624446699 165018 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84950&oldid=84923 5* 03AmNow 5* (+10) 10Added Language < 1624446953 267919 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1624446959 445341 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :bonjour > 1624447192 662007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84951&oldid=84918 5* 03AmNow 5* (+41) 10added lang < 1624447528 249023 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624448259 759353 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624448934 291224 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.234.138 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv > 1624449398 505208 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84952&oldid=84947 5* 03AmNow 5* (+163) 10added other > 1624450070 937085 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84953&oldid=84952 5* 03AmNow 5* (+4) 10grammar mistakes > 1624450465 386577 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84954&oldid=84953 5* 03AmNow 5* (-4) 10 > 1624450596 414966 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84955&oldid=84941 5* 03Rphii 5* (+46) 10/* Commands */ add _ command and move [t|t], fix a t and some c > 1624451150 358433 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84956&oldid=84955 5* 03Rphii 5* (+219) 10/* Numbers */ move | < 1624451617 931800 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :b_jonas > 1624452118 356722 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84957&oldid=84956 5* 03Rphii 5* (+16) 10/* Hello World */ update < 1624452357 555320 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins > 1624452376 102327 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84958&oldid=84957 5* 03Rphii 5* (+130) 10/* Calculator */ update > 1624452466 828237 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07()s14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84959&oldid=84949 5* 03AmNow 5* (+56) 10 > 1624452797 679706 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07()s14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84960&oldid=84959 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+48) 10/* Computational Class */ Cats > 1624452813 565588 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84961&oldid=84958 5* 03Rphii 5* (+0) 10/* Hello World */ fix mess-up > 1624452852 19649 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84962&oldid=84936 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+67) 10Cats, header > 1624452900 449961 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84963&oldid=84950 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+14) 10Add Blood32 > 1624453146 265738 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84964&oldid=84693 5* 03AmNow 5* (+29) 10 < 1624453280 84348 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: andydude > 1624453338 433227 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84965&oldid=84964 5* 03AmNow 5* (+0) 10 > 1624453705 37675 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackLang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84966 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+1656) 10Page created > 1624454057 610820 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84967&oldid=84966 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+38) 10Added cat program > 1624455302 953202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84968&oldid=84967 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+0) 10 < 1624455348 351373 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624455443 242441 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1624456346 614386 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84969&oldid=84962 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+23) 10 < 1624456441 881119 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins > 1624456502 638581 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84970&oldid=84954 5* 03AmNow 5* (+13) 10 < 1624457241 648350 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc > 1624457266 356135 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fohc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84971&oldid=84752 5* 03Matthilde 5* (-11) 10 < 1624457629 339121 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1624457703 571591 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds > 1624457733 419804 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84972&oldid=84969 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+617) 10 < 1624459058 478989 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624459343 339948 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84973&oldid=84961 5* 03Rphii 5* (+233) 10/* Stack */ further elaborate the behaviour of an empty stack > 1624459881 574470 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84974&oldid=84972 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+1608) 10 < 1624460386 295302 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624460686 691713 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84975&oldid=84974 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+878) 10 > 1624461380 387601 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84976&oldid=84975 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+484) 10/* Pointer Operations */ > 1624461451 548693 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84977&oldid=84976 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+103) 10/* Program Examples */ > 1624461512 202531 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84978&oldid=84977 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+72) 10/* Program Examples */ > 1624461657 451480 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84979&oldid=84978 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+101) 10/* Tokens */ > 1624461680 850138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84980&oldid=84979 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-118) 10 > 1624462697 476403 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84981&oldid=84980 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+486) 10 > 1624462969 917553 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84982&oldid=84973 5* 03Rphii 5* (+312) 10/* Instructions */ add section Escape Sequences and fix some logical issues in the section Stack > 1624463309 261010 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84983&oldid=84982 5* 03Rphii 5* (+104) 10added section External resources > 1624463537 504355 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84984&oldid=84981 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+501) 10 > 1624463674 467660 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84985&oldid=84984 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+44) 10/* Tape */ > 1624463883 57889 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84986 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+21) 10Redirected page to [[Blood32]] > 1624463913 146943 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bld3214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84987 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+19) 10Redirected page to [[Blood]] > 1624463949 415943 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bld3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84988&oldid=84987 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+2) 10Changed redirect target from [[Blood]] to [[Blood32]] > 1624464084 865697 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fohc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84989&oldid=84971 5* 03Matthilde 5* (+33) 10 > 1624464099 119206 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84990&oldid=84985 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+66) 10 > 1624465037 436134 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84991&oldid=84990 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+9) 10 > 1624465069 438165 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=84992 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+46) 10Created page with "Hi, I'm Pixelated Starfish Creator of Blood32" > 1624465118 586324 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84993&oldid=84991 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10 > 1624465151 760098 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84994&oldid=84993 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-6) 10 > 1624465208 776464 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84995&oldid=84994 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-4) 10/* Elements */ > 1624465234 31168 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84996&oldid=84995 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+4) 10/* Tape */ > 1624465242 820341 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84997&oldid=84996 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+4) 10/* Grid */ > 1624465425 368674 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84998&oldid=84997 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+24) 10 > 1624465452 619865 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=84999&oldid=84998 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10 > 1624465596 179379 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85000&oldid=84999 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+91) 10/* External resources */ > 1624465620 982082 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85001&oldid=85000 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-91) 10/* External resources */ > 1624465870 942757 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85002&oldid=85001 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+51) 10 > 1624465898 623911 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Bld32 7.png10]]" > 1624466020 655626 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85004&oldid=85002 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-7) 10 > 1624466043 735160 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85005&oldid=85004 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+4) 10 > 1624466063 237009 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85006&oldid=85005 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+3) 10 > 1624466148 113770 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85007&oldid=85006 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+44) 10 > 1624466201 543783 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85008&oldid=85007 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+20) 10 > 1624466237 568046 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85009&oldid=84983 5* 03Rphii 5* (+429) 10/* Instructions */ added section Divide by Zero > 1624466329 324690 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85010&oldid=85008 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+16) 10 > 1624466388 95948 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85011&oldid=85010 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+27) 10 < 1624466445 913569 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: andydude > 1624466530 642071 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85012&oldid=85009 5* 03Rphii 5* (+67) 10/* Interpreter */ I > 1624466536 100358 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85013&oldid=85011 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-1) 10 > 1624466631 553876 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07StackLang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85014&oldid=84968 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+10) 10Correction < 1624466873 908868 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :Deadly Headshot (Mobile) < 1624467014 246116 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1624467351 245831 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins > 1624467455 163418 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85015&oldid=85012 5* 03Rphii 5* (+211) 10/* Calculator */ add smaller variant < 1624467730 880780 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1624467803 372319 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :Deadly Headshot (Mobile) < 1624468094 746235 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624468582 257838 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1624468654 335715 :DHeadshot!~DHeadshot@cpc121954-woki8-2-0-cust72.6-2.cable.virginm.net JOIN #esolangs * :Deadly Headshot (Mobile) > 1624469136 880874 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85016&oldid=85015 5* 03Rphii 5* (+301) 10/* Commands */ added output commands with newline function and #-command > 1624469254 248049 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85017&oldid=85016 5* 03Rphii 5* (+100) 10/* Escape Sequences */ add escape sequence of # < 1624469752 748772 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624469871 148175 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1624470486 70301 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85018&oldid=85017 5* 03Rphii 5* (+60) 10/* Examples */ added "Fibonacci" program > 1624470656 864536 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85019&oldid=85018 5* 03Rphii 5* (+64) 10/* Commands */ clarify recently added commands > 1624470734 116467 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85020&oldid=85019 5* 03Rphii 5* (+75) 10/* Stack */ clarify > 1624470883 578830 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85021&oldid=85020 5* 03Rphii 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */ fix mess-up < 1624471618 646155 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: andydude < 1624472046 355319 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624472265 916569 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-99-194.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins < 1624472314 851204 :Koen_!~Koen@39.169.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1624472827 337507 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624473074 563816 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624473576 378179 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85022&oldid=85021 5* 03Rphii 5* (+134) 10/* Numbers */ added range < 1624473603 901496 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :re yesterday's language thing, one problem with counting noun cases in Hungarian is that it's not clear to me if there's a clear boundary between case endings and prepositions that you put after the nouns. some prepositions like "under" work basically the same as case endings, it's just that we write the endings that never add more than one syllable ran together without a space, and it's only those that < 1624473609 913090 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you count for cases. sure, case endings can also change the ending of the noun, but they can't change them in 15 different ways, you would probably only need four cases if you allowed writing any almost-fixed suffix with a space (almost-fixed as in the only thing that may vary is two-way or three-way vowel harmony) < 1624473667 160060 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1624473770 168330 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1624473775 145785 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no wait, you'd need five cases, not four, because of -val < 1624473824 931911 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1624474009 335801 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: re "https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cas_grammatical#/media/Fichier:Number_of_grammatical_cases_hic01.png" looks funny < 1624474026 686754 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi > 1624474145 32976 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Timers14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85023&oldid=85022 5* 03Rphii 5* (+184) 10/* Numbers */ clarify < 1624474218 197114 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's also the complication of numerals in Hungarian, which complicate the model. numerals have unique affixes that you can only apply to them, including two that are case endings, plus they can get basically all the normal noun/adjective affixes < 1624474588 955140 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so when you have a numeral, you first add a suffix which can be (nothing (to result in a cardinal), -od or similar (to result in a reciprocial fraction), -odik or similar (to result in an ordinal), or -odika or similar (only used for date numbers within a month)) and THEN you add a case ending which can be most of the normal noun case endings, or the special -szor ("times"). and any of those infixes < 1624474594 944223 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :will of course change in form and change the form of whatever is immediately before them for all sorts of phonetic reasons, plus a few numerals have special irregular rules (like "first" and "second" in English). < 1624474637 902978 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not that this is in any way special, because ordinary nouns/adjectives and verbs also get multiple agreeing suffixes in sequence, and occasionally it's not even clear if something is one suffix or a common combination of two suffixes modified to unrecognizability < 1624474941 638891 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because verbs get suffixes for (any combination of (4 mode-tenses times 6 number-persons times 2 object agreements) with like 46 or 47 of the 48 combinations actually distinguishable for some verbs) or (an infinitive ending with one of 7 number-persons, so you can use it as either a noun phrase or an argument to an auxiliary verb) or (one of the three adjective participle endings so you can use it as an < 1624474947 643601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :epiteth or noun phrase) or (an adverb participle ending so you can use it as an adverb). < 1624475090 233431 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624475146 679053 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and nouns/adjectives can get (nothing or less often one of six number-person endings indicating a grammatical possessor) times (a plural marker or lack of it) times (a rare -é marker to indicate a possessor with elided possessed argument followed by another optional plural marker, or nothing) and THEN they get a case ending < 1624475155 836004 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that's if they aren't numerals < 1624475337 651983 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the bad news is that numerals are theoretically an open class, new numerals can be invented; the good news is that numerals are practically a closed class, it's almost impossible to invent a new numeral other than just prefixing an existing numeral with more words, because most numeral meanings that you may want to say are already invented, so I think pretty much the only way you can invent a new one is < 1624475343 660881 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(1) have a president ask how much is a "brazillion" and have this leaked, (2) invent a swearword, which is an open class becuase you can use anything as a swearword, then use that swearword frequently including as an intensifier, then use that swearword as a numeral because you can get away breaking most grammar with swearwords once they're so common that they're used as an intensifier > 1624475470 73671 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bitbot14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85024&oldid=84824 5* 03Toxinite 5* (+237) 10 < 1624475554 584600 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and all this only works because numerals don't share any recognizable endings; I believe even with the power of swearwords you can't create a new verb that doesn't end in -Vl or -z or -Vd (V meaning any vowel) or -ik or one of the few more obscure ending and isn't an obvious compound of a well-known verb. < 1624475680 503448 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there are further restrictions for most of those verb endings, so in practice most entirely new verbs, such as ones taken from English tech or science terminology, end in -ol/-el/-öl < 1624475799 393310 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :on the plus side, once you understand those rules, it's easy to create verbs: if you have basically any word, regardless part of speech, and mangled its phonology enough to be valid in Hungarian, you can pretty much slap -ol/-el/-öl and get a fine verb, unless that happens to badly clash with some other word < 1624475930 353246 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for making a new noun/adjective, you barely even need an ending, just massage the word to match phonological rules, possibly change the final vowel if it ends in a vowel, and you have a noun/adjective, again unless it badly clashes with an existing word so it would cause ambiguity < 1624476089 686422 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for words ending in a vowel, ending in -o or -ö is absolutely banned, change it to -ó or -ö; ending in -u or -ü is banned for new words, change it to -ú or -ű; ending in -á or -é or -í should usually be avoided and changed to -a or -e or -í but not completely forbidden, so only half of the vowels are available, but basically any consonant < 1624476142 3972 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/to -ó or -ö/to -ó or -ő/ > 1624476527 909110 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85025&oldid=85013 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+43) 10 < 1624476754 296300 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1624477101 895384 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 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