> 1624756270 984106 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!aoQ):14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85387 5* 03AmNow 5* (+2429) 10content > 1624756312 784718 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!aoQ):14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85388&oldid=85387 5* 03AmNow 5* (+3) 10no ambiguity > 1624756435 966148 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85389&oldid=85383 5* 03AmNow 5* (+13) 10added lang > 1624756474 128917 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85390&oldid=85381 5* 03AmNow 5* (+13) 10added lang > 1624756506 902398 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!aoQ):14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85391&oldid=85388 5* 03AmNow 5* (-1) 10/* Factorial */ fixed > 1624756868 505409 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85392&oldid=85389 5* 03AmNow 5* (+24) 10 > 1624757533 659362 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85393&oldid=85392 5* 03AmNow 5* (+0) 10 < 1624759243 299223 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :having done math and humanities, it feels more akin to the humanities than to science < 1624759335 314212 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :math (obviously) tends to be very rigorous in how it does things, _but_ in its practice it doesn't tend to resemble science at all. math very often does things for its own sake, and sometimes then discovers applications for that, and the way of finding truth in math is by doing argument and exploring the ideas... < 1624759402 338681 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is all well and good; i have no objections, and consider math's typical approaches quite valid and rigorous ways of doing things < 1624759438 937642 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :_but_, science is about methodological empiricism < 1624759524 453554 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq PRIVMSG #esolangs :within science, that which is true or false is discerned by observation of the outside world, and devising tests to better be able to observe the outside world -- those ideas which are shown to be consistent with what you see are (assumed) correct, and those ideas which are not are known to be wrong < 1624763694 330793 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. The main difference between formality in maths and formality in writing is that maths is "formally formal" these days; the way in which maths cares about formality can be used to derive and extrapolate the entirety of the rest of maths. < 1624764210 914454 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc > 1624764319 202143 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Easyaspi314 5* 10New user account < 1624765231 223115 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1624765251 201578 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1624765300 321482 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85394&oldid=85279 5* 03Easyaspi314 5* (+190) 10/* Introductions */ easyaspi314 < 1624765304 866243 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1624766560 87884 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624766586 640256 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624767855 226952 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :math is an observational notation for physics < 1624767963 544496 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :making notes sometimes help to discover laws of nature that we didn't yet use < 1624768222 539865 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :teology researches specific fields of psychology that is based on evolution and biology < 1624768277 462019 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is based on chemistry that is based on physics again < 1624769424 843383 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, but that does not make either math or theology to be science (although it describes their relation to science, at least according to one opinion) < 1624769889 549510 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Those are valid points, though. I am guessing that "teology" is supposed to be "theology" < 1624770088 449432 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1624770135 486012 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Another thing is xkcd 435, although it doesn't mention theology. < 1624770232 744433 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Math is not only an observational notation for physics, I think. But, that is one way that mathematics can be used. I am platonist though; the mathematics itself is still what it is even independently of the study and of the applications, although you can still have those things too < 1624770781 136442 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah I always confuse t and th because in russian it's always just t < 1624770799 316599 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :we always don't join letters to build sounds < 1624770815 846480 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*almost < 1624770824 483038 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK < 1624770854 439091 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or was it th because of being based on ancient language? idk < 1624770934 969596 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what does it mean you are platonist? < 1624770959 189385 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :google takes the "Platonism is the view that there exist such things as abstract objects — where an abstract object is an object that does not exist in space or time and which is therefore entirely non-physical and non-mental. Platonism in this sense is a contemporary view" out of the whole huge wikipedia article < 1624770978 555592 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :It means that some mathematical objects ("abstracta") aren't physical objects in reality. < 1624771096 770684 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :would you be able to research math without having physics? like would you some day invent some modern fresh discovered laws if you was living all your life with closed eyes drifting in vacuum? < 1624771131 548274 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: What's the alternative? I'd be hard-pressed to find a real number line out in the wild. < 1624771136 552609 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. Many parts of number theory are extremely unphysical. < 1624771219 853840 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :^[: Some folks bring with them a metaphysics or ontology which asserts that all described things either exist or don't exist. It can be a journey just to go beyond that. < 1624771395 405654 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think this is the part where I ask for a definition of "to exist", but I'm not falling for that one again! < 1624771535 903015 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Tao has a wonderful post about this: https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2009/11/05/the-no-self-defeating-object-argument/ < 1624771662 56273 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but then how is mathematically moving abstract things around different from "creating falsifiable theories"? < 1624771676 729202 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw math is full of theories too that only later either get proved or disproved < 1624771717 488967 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :literally half of those lists of "unsolved problems" < 1624771725 814201 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :platonism draws a lot from the thought that there are 'essences' out there, idealized notions which underpin real objects. it's very old but people used to think in those terms < 1624771786 33443 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :these days, one favored take is that math mostly deals with 'consistency', although you run into Godel < 1624772079 284116 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: Mathematical English is very specific here. A "theorem" is a proof statement. A "theory" is a field of research into some sort of objects. < 1624772159 240422 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :often mathematicians will still say they are 'platonists' which means they think reality is mathematical at heart < 1624772280 337927 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :My personal Platonism is based on observations like the fact that the empty set isn't at any one particular location in spacetime, so it's not located in physical reality. Indeed it's only located within set theories. < 1624772601 829094 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not saying about "set theory" or "propability theory" etc., I mean when they say "there is no solution to this equation, I have no proof but we'll jerk on it for the next 500 years" < 1624772703 643334 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :similar to how we didn't know or didn't believe Einstein but still were able to fly at least above the clouds < 1624772726 37812 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :many people still don't believe him < 1624772765 307807 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624772863 703440 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably there is a term for people who don't bother learning and prefer to build the imaginary world around based on likes and dislikes and would respond aggressively if you ask them to read a page on wikipedia and stuff < 1624772875 702780 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm bad in terms > 1624772990 321253 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SLOW ACV MAMMALIAN14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85395&oldid=31933 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+1291) 10 < 1624773490 719681 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's actually worse than that. Modern cryptography relies on the idea of one-way functions. We don't know whether one-way functions exist. < 1624774511 521400 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624774924 447159 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Surely one way functions exist. A hash function has no inverse for example. < 1624774970 846369 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no known inverse < 1624775056 147410 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :We don't even know about P vs. NP. I personally assume that we're in a world where NP-complete problems can take exponential time (99% confidence), but I could be completely wrong. > 1624775141 123485 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:AmNow14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85396 5* 03Bangyen 5* (+285) 10Created page with "=== [[=,-&~]] Question === I'm looking to create an interpreter for [[=,-&~]], but I had a couple questions that I posted on the talk page. Whenever you're free, clarification..." < 1624775392 321436 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624775467 853995 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hash functions cannot be inverted because there is information loss in the forward process. < 1624775585 348633 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I assume the NSA/GCHQ etc have massive databases of precomputed hashes so that they can reverse them by lookup, and same for large nearly primes, etc. < 1624775588 689192 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f4be:52a3:d576:1567 PRIVMSG #esolangs :map into a set < 1624775782 91670 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or fix the input size, as is common in many practical attacks. Indeed, many hashes are broken by use cases like passwords, where the input is shorter than the internal state of the hash. I think sponge constructions can help with this a bit. < 1624775830 104005 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think *my* passswords have less entropy than the hashes. haha < 1624775841 20131 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :My passwords certainly do. < 1624775882 22423 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :People talking about inverting a hash function don't mean finding the specific original input, just any input that hashes to a particular value. < 1624775931 763257 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I generate my passwords using hash functions, so I think by definition I'm ok. It's only the site that won't allow long keys that cause a sel-inflicted wound. < 1624775935 985041 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. Bitcoin would be completely broken by this, even if SHA-256 isn't fully invertible. < 1624775997 470931 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, if you only need to find a hash collision it is easier than finding the original input. < 1624776036 789591 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, there is a #crypto channel I think. ha! < 1624776623 177262 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes we covered this exact question a couple days ago < 1624776634 231625 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs ::) > 1624777107 498200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:CodyNinja114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85397 5* 03CodyNinja1 5* (+1) 10h < 1624778785 489665 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1624780006 637710 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624780097 942682 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's like 3 months passed since I made my personal hash-based storage and no one has since then broke it -- what was the point to make a few pages of flame? < 1624780116 181768 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hash-based storage is a really nice idea < 1624780234 839 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, 1 month, I've lost a feel of time < 1624780732 625520 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624781169 638465 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624781352 633915 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624783093 146595 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1624783100 672974 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN #esolangs * :Shachaf Ben-Kiki < 1624783122 138544 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com CHGHOST ~shachaf :user/shachaf < 1624783149 587080 :shachaf_!~shachaf@user/shachaf NICK :shachaf < 1624783172 257516 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :What was the hash-based storage thing? < 1624784528 877699 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon QUIT :*.net *.split < 1624784529 148889 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq QUIT :*.net *.split < 1624784531 418584 :pikhq_!sid394595@user/pikhq JOIN #esolangs pikhq :Ada Worcester < 1624784540 439474 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon JOIN #esolangs nakilon :Victor Maslov < 1624784673 849616 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1624784971 352569 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN #esolangs int-e :Bertram > 1624785355 412794 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A Slow Language14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85398 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+2412) 10Created page with "A Slow Language is a 2D [[Befunge]]-like esoteric programming language made for a [https://www.youtube.com/user/luigiman2700 Truttle1] Esolang Jam. You control a turtle on an..." < 1624785427 941741 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe its different by in my case < 1624785446 364617 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have a store/ directory where files are stored, the filename is the hash of the data in it < 1624785457 954088 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :then you have a directory with symlinks into the store > 1624785459 992889 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85399&oldid=85390 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+22) 10/* A */ < 1624785463 677819 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so files can have normal paths and names < 1624785472 936934 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :but everything is deduplicated automatically < 1624785567 230668 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, I see. I was thinking of doing exactly that for a backup solution. Never got round to setting it up though. < 1624785733 626602 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624785901 854370 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i suppose deduplication could be implemented at the filesystem level < 1624786262 518668 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1624788295 81789 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dominicentek14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85400&oldid=85209 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+22) 10 > 1624788801 344804 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:=,-&~14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85401&oldid=85374 5* 03AmNow 5* (+149) 10 < 1624789877 623884 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds > 1624789932 259229 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85402&oldid=85269 5* 03Provitia 5* (-385) 10/* Package reference */ > 1624790110 821988 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85403&oldid=85402 5* 03Provitia 5* (-179) 10/* Truth machine */ < 1624790707 36879 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624791053 647119 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pops Are Overrated14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85404&oldid=85253 5* 03AmNow 5* (+18) 10clarification > 1624791108 461408 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07=,-&~14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85405&oldid=85297 5* 03AmNow 5* (+31) 10Clarification < 1624791119 258939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen > 1624791192 487133 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:=,-&~14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85406&oldid=85401 5* 03AmNow 5* (+119) 10 < 1624791202 636459 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif > 1624791330 97704 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!aoQ):14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85407&oldid=85391 5* 03AmNow 5* (+0) 10 < 1624792047 632429 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624792209 628036 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1624792496 685949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION manglol a magyar nyelvet egy kicsit b_jonasnak < 1624792510 41543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? manglophobia < 1624792513 238400 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Manglophobia is the fear of horribly mangled "Greek" neologisms. < 1624792521 545095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :now with more hungarian < 1624792803 773274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think i got the words right but not sure of the order < 1624792835 25302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION vaguely remembers something about topic/focus order < 1624793049 152968 :Koen__!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1624793055 428487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :also meg < 1624793057 789540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION megmanglol b_jonasnak egy kicsit a magyar nyelvet < 1624793217 569591 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1624793788 854803 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:That dude14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85408&oldid=38259 5* 03That dude 5* (-273) 10 < 1624794105 995505 :Koen__!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624794120 235526 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1624796063 203080 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bedroom14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85409 5* 03AmNow 5* (+1103) 10content > 1624796092 498540 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85410&oldid=85393 5* 03AmNow 5* (+13) 10added lang > 1624796134 349129 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85411&oldid=85399 5* 03AmNow 5* (+14) 10added lang > 1624796366 82607 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:AmNow14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85412&oldid=85410 5* 03AmNow 5* (+25) 10 > 1624797763 85764 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A Slow Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85413&oldid=85398 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+18) 10 < 1624798167 513958 :chronon!~chronon@user/chronon PART :#esolangs < 1624798340 624616 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624800039 645010 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1624800186 637777 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1624801373 870479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait a moment. < 1624801380 384993 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION waits < 1624801437 752684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*megmanglolja < 1624801471 476545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :forgot the object agreement. < 1624801570 401470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :on the plus side, it now looks like an obscure swedish health product < 1624801801 628625 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1624802339 624312 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1624802896 624607 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1 < 1624803079 361375 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1624805044 920224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: This flaky network is getting to me < 1624806390 956018 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :b_jonas > 1624806900 648363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85414&oldid=85377 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+339) 10 > 1624806937 793432 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85415&oldid=85414 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-13) 10/* Logic Gates */ > 1624807237 315317 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85416&oldid=85415 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+58) 10/* Logic Gates */ < 1624812131 107834 :lukalot!~lukalot@2603:9000:cc01:9500:68a:ff93:92e3:aaff QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1624812838 169159 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] VilgotanL < 1624812862 21183 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how 2 use irc < 1624812890 479626 :myname!~myname@2001:41d0:1:766f::1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you are doing it right now > 1624812990 996857 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85417&oldid=85403 5* 03Provitia 5* (+176) 10/* Package reference */ < 1624813069 458205 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is +esolangs a bot? < 1624813106 213712 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1624813111 401084 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :noice < 1624813116 932954 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes; one that doesn't do much, just the wiki recent changes and logging. < 1624813128 929386 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oke < 1624813151 451844 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there a such thing as LLVM with macros? > 1624813183 554813 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HakerScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85418&oldid=85417 5* 03Provitia 5* (+31) 10/* Package reference */ < 1624813486 212042 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624813707 467358 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Would you consider any language with an LLVM frontend as being macros for the IR? < 1624813759 265590 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it a good web design if 18 pieces of text on your page are written in 16 different styles? < 1624813816 866879 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :3 out of 3 voters voted that I'm wrong saying that it is bad < 1624813819 282062 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :..D < 1624813843 827994 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If it's good enough for Time Cube, it should be good enough for you. < 1624813859 854058 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :subj: https://i.imgur.com/71PjkfA.png < 1624814238 966332 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :What's the problem with that? < 1624814934 847105 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that 18 pieces of text have 16 different styles? < 1624814945 676251 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :seems nothing bad, same as with these < 1624814966 351687 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/c45hhKi.png < 1624814971 984804 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/bLDkwxh.png < 1624814990 734131 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :very well done < 1624815158 976957 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :It might be a question of whether the styles are being put to good use. > 1624815316 647973 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85419&oldid=85416 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+37) 10/* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ > 1624815332 516263 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85420&oldid=85419 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-30) 10/* External resources */ > 1624815343 66280 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85421&oldid=85420 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-29) 10/* External resources */ < 1624815344 432604 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: I think that it is probably bad (although I cannot be sure that there are not circumstances where such a thing is helpful). < 1624815375 666053 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think usually is best to avoid the styles entirely < 1624815467 294630 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :^[: No I don't consider any language with an LLVM frontend as being macros for the IR; I mean to be more closely with LLVM directly, but with macros (which can be used for target-dependent stuff as well as for whatever other purposes you can use macros for) < 1624816131 213613 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1624816300 569449 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A Slow Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85422&oldid=85413 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+113) 10/* Interpreter */ Cats < 1624816345 270518 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624817653 57016 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A Slow Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85423&oldid=85422 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+84) 10Added another hello world example > 1624817692 453231 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A Slow Language14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85424&oldid=85423 5* 03Dominicentek 5* (+0) 10Fixed cat program < 1624819097 282746 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1624819113 456515 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!aoQ):14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85425&oldid=85407 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+29) 10/* Quine */ Cat < 1624819118 213952 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624819433 544959 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1624820024 310610 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624820190 919867 :lukalot!~lukalot@2603:9000:cc01:9500:68a:ff93:92e3:aaff JOIN #esolangs lukalot :realname > 1624820218 580537 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bedroom14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85426&oldid=85409 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+73) 10/* Truth Machine */ Cats < 1624820537 592054 :rodr!~a@user/rdr JOIN #esolangs rdr :a < 1624821539 446771 :VilgotanL!~VilgotanL@84.23.137.213 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1624821806 631481 :Koen_!~Koen@92.167.9.109.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1624822341 214179 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624824416 199978 :rodr!~a@user/rdr QUIT :Quit: rodr > 1624824551 932648 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85427&oldid=85421 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+161) 10/* Pointer operations */ > 1624824568 565767 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85428&oldid=85427 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* Pointer operations */ > 1624824607 520601 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85429&oldid=85428 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+12) 10/* Grammar */ > 1624824655 545359 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85430&oldid=85429 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-137) 10/* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ < 1624824715 733696 :pikhq_!sid394595@user/pikhq NICK :pikhq > 1624824717 726256 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85431&oldid=85430 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+56) 10/* External resources */ > 1624824727 996707 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85432&oldid=85431 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+1) 10/* External resources */ > 1624824919 6007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85433&oldid=85432 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+27) 10/* Tobysil */ > 1624824941 179435 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85434&oldid=85433 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+4) 10/* Restrictions */ > 1624826359 18772 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85435&oldid=85434 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+169) 10/* Logic Gates */ > 1624826424 208945 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85436&oldid=85435 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+45) 10/* Memory Muncher */ < 1624826525 136414 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1624826740 422549 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85437&oldid=85436 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+99) 10/* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ > 1624826767 66288 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Blood3214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85438&oldid=85437 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+8) 10/* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ < 1624828336 315892 :lukalot_!~lukalot@23.82.138.98 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1624828480 892514 :lukalot!~lukalot@2603:9000:cc01:9500:68a:ff93:92e3:aaff QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1624829450 939849 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1624829466 82585 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ay finally < 1624829805 554201 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624829829 522315 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624829903 577800 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why isn't my messages relaying to the discord < 1624830026 263661 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can anybody even hear me lmao < 1624830029 121801 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is IRC, not Discord. < 1624830034 860003 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes i know that < 1624830046 305984 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :but my messages arent relaying via AutoBotRobot < 1624830132 911838 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :testbot10, inventory < 1624830143 129000 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think im in the wrong channel lmao < 1624830188 674099 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sounds likely. As far as I know, we've never had any Discord bridges. < 1624830226 431801 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Huh, I guess i am < 1624830253 223273 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know on the Esolangs Discord they have a relay to IRC of *some* sort < 1624830282 48280 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and this was the channel that it said to go to via the Community Portal < 1624830443 18982 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :We're not affiliated (and probably don't really even have any overlap?) with either of the two discords, and that was the case for freenode #esoteric (which this channel is a continuation of) as well, so if they have an IRC relay, it's to somewhere else. < 1624830637 511615 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah thank you < 1624830650 524719 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :It was irc.osmarks.net < 1624830759 289528 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1624830887 493706 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624830959 797917 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1624831455 454783 :aquijoule_!~richbridg@213-225-5-235.nat.highway.a1.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624832031 710171 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1624832663 967029 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: makes sense, though it's not such a crazy idea to think that we might have a Discord overlay < 1624832693 163091 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's just that if we tried that, we'd have to set a new one up every two years as people migrate to a different app < 1624832721 359490 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, we'd have to set up a facebook bridge, an instagram bridge, a tiktok bridge, whatever the latest trend is < 1624832770 649762 :fizzie[m]!~fizzie@2001:470:69fc:105::3727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :At least with this Matrix thing, there's a network-wide bridge in place. < 1624832774 24636 :NotApplicable!~NotApplic@99-68-245-174.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :2 years doesnt seem to be all that bad, especially with such a large community like this < 1624832908 344776 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-41.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :NotApplicable: yeah, but who is there in this community who follows the latest trendy apps and sets up bridges for that? I'm not saying that we're getting old, because fresh young people arrive all the time, but still < 1624833135 681610 :moon!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1624833162 678984 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1624833162 694793 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1624833376 309962 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1624833438 897612 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :probably iovoid? < 1624833597 983003 :moon!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :mooooony < 1624834276 623164 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1624834782 252469 :richbridger!~richbridg@213-225-5-235.nat.highway.a1.net JOIN #esolangs richbridger :realname < 1624835234 5741 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1624835917 678313 :richbridger!~richbridg@213-225-5-235.nat.highway.a1.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1624836191 13632 :richbridger!~richbridg@213-225-5-235.nat.highway.a1.net JOIN #esolangs richbridger :realname > 1624838170 163572 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SLOW ACV MAMMALIAN14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85439&oldid=85395 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-2) 10 > 1624838213 728177 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Circlefuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85440&oldid=85344 5* 03Bangyen 5* (-2) 10