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01:07:47 <zzo38> As far as I could tell, the .NET specification requires specific code for the DOS stub (which says this program cannot run in DOS mode), which isn't very good if you cannot customize it.
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01:09:34 <zzo38> You might want to change the error message (e.g. "This program requires .NET/Mono"), or to check for and execute another program in the same directory which implements .NET on DOS (and might require DLMI, maybe)
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01:30:09 <esolangs> [[SWING]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85502 * DemiCD64 * (+1459) Created page with "SWING is an esoteric programming language created by Alan Kubiak, written in DPL. == Characteristics == The SWING programming language works using numerical values only. ==..."
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08:13:21 <nakilon> https://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/old90/constant.html
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08:51:48 <nakilon> found an interesting read on what is "blog" and what were the first blogs: https://www.netfunny.com/rhf/oldest-blog.html
08:52:09 <nakilon> is there any interesting read on what is "hacker" and what are the initial definitions?
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09:01:24 <esolangs> [[Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85508&oldid=85505 * PolySaken * (-30) /* Sources */
09:06:24 <zzo38> They mention finger; the protocol is similar enough to gopher that you can use gopher URLs.
09:06:43 <nakilon> wiktionary leads here http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html
09:07:25 <zzo38> Also, you can still make a NNTP-based blog too, either moderated or unmoderated.
09:08:01 <zzo38> (My own NNTP server software does not implement moderated newsgroups, although you can use another one, or add to the one I did)
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09:41:03 <nakilon> also this https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1392
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10:29:21 <Taneb> Are there any declarative two-dimensional languages
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12:08:45 <esolangs> [[HakerScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85516&oldid=85515 * Provitia * (+49) /* Implementations */
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12:26:41 <nakilon> Taneb https://imgur.com/a/mmGF1iT
12:29:16 <nakilon> http://www.nakilon.pro/esolang.htm
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12:59:43 <nakilon> hm, there is some bug on my page that trims the '?' ..(
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15:23:01 <wib_jonas> Taneb: yes, https://esolangs.org/wiki/But_Is_It_Art%3F
15:29:33 <Taneb> I was thinking, a lot of programming languages have a very linear sort of temporality
15:30:10 <wib_jonas> possibly also https://esolangs.org/wiki/Tableaux , I honestly don't understand how that works, every time I try to read the description, it confuses me, so I gave up
15:30:33 <wib_jonas> it has something two-dimensional and something declarative, but might not be a two-dimensional langauge according to the usual definition
15:30:43 <Taneb> And I was wondering how to break free of that linearity
15:31:09 <wib_jonas> Taneb: then I think you want But Is It Art
15:34:54 <Taneb> I see it comes from the time when I stopped paying attention to esolangs because aaah university
15:38:01 <wib_jonas> but Feather probably also breaks out of the linear sort of temporality
15:38:50 <Taneb> Yes, I was briefly worried that it had become my turn to invent Feather
15:43:24 <wib_jonas> (and of course git, with its stupid way of copying a timestamp when you non-squish cherry-pick a commit, so there's no way to tell when the commit actually got created, unless you manage to find it in the reflog of the original repo where it got created, all other repos will just have a reflog time when it got pushed or fetched there)
15:45:03 <wib_jonas> (I hate git. a version control system is supposed to be able to tell you the state of a branch at a particular time, but that relies on real timestamps that the server sets rather then believing whatever timestamp the client tells them, especially when that timestamp is usually fake for cherry-picks.)
15:50:20 <wib_jonas> Taneb: something similar to But Is It Art would be to take a nondeterministic finite automaton without inputs and with finite time, that is, your program consists of an alphabet of states, one special state designated as the edge (start and end) state, a set of pairs of states that can appear horizontally one after the other, a set of pairs of
15:50:21 <wib_jonas> states that can appear vertically one after the other, and execution succeeds if you can fill a rectangular grid of unknown size with a state in each cell such that the edge state appears in the top/bottom/left/right edges but nowhere else, two horizontally adjacent states are in the first set, two vertically adjacent states are the second set.
15:51:36 <wib_jonas> you could in fact simulate But Is It Art with such a finite automaton, with one state for each non-space character occurrance in the BIIA program source code
15:52:04 <wib_jonas> simulating backwards is a bit more difficult, because it's hard to exclude that edges can only occur at the edge
15:52:36 <wib_jonas> plus of course you'd need to grow the program to use a larger tile for each single cell of this finite automaton
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16:52:01 <zzo38> Do you prefer other version control systems, such as fossil (which records the date/time of commits by the D card)?
16:53:51 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Zero player rodent * uploaded "[[File:Eek.png]]": Logo for the Eek! programming language
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19:56:48 <riv> I heard somethin estoeric
19:57:12 <riv> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eelVqfm8vVc
19:57:14 <riv> there are different clocks
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21:11:58 <zzo38> One of my ideas is to make AT_FDCWD to be an ordinary file descriptor. Also a newfd function, causing the next call that opens a file descriptor to use the specified number instead of a new one; if it is already open, then the old file descriptor is closed if the open is sucessful (and left alone otherwise); the newfd is cancelled afterward either way, whether successful or not.
21:13:19 <zzo38> Also PIDFD, which if added to a file descriptor number then the sum can be used where a process ID is expected. PIDFD-1 is never valid, and numbers less than PIDFD-1 are process ID numbers.
21:29:00 <riv> that sounds like a good feature
21:57:32 <b_jonas> zzo38: you mention that pid thing, but I still don't think that's a good idea, it sounds dangerous, though I can't really tell why, and if you want to do such a thing, it should be a bit in a separate flag argument rather than added into the pid number
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22:33:11 <zzo38> riv: At least one danger might be avoided by PIDFD-1 being never valid. Also, I don't really like adding separate system calls for this and is why I prefer this way
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23:18:30 <esolangs> [[S3C (sssc)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85534&oldid=85533 * Spargle * (+65) /* The world's stupidest language. */
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