00:02:26 <nakilon> why global warming is fake
00:02:51 <nakilon> ^ I guess it's enough good search query for citations
00:05:12 <nakilon> search results only give forum posts, no scientific proofs
00:08:32 <nakilon> the fake part of it is the "the greenhouse effect"
00:12:22 <keegan> "proofs" only exist in maths, not natural science
00:21:06 <nakilon> it was shown by dirlling and inspecting the ice that higher level of CO2 led to decrease of temerature, not increase
00:21:45 <nakilon> another detail is that water plays even much bigger role in the effect than CO2
00:23:45 <nakilon> so saying that our CO2 emission makes the earth warmer is nothing more than someone's economic interest propaganda
00:26:56 <nakilon> personally I pretty clearly see that the biggest threat to humanity isn't this stuff or even nuclear war but the level of illiteracy in the way how people are absolutely plain stupid to be able to fight an infectious pandemic
00:27:37 <nakilon> all our "scientific progress" is just nothing and does not make us stronger at all because masses are idiots
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00:30:15 <nakilon> another thread would be a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-Earth_supernova but it's nothing we can do about it
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00:34:16 <keegan> it's funny because here the people who think global warming is fake are also the ones who think covid is fake and refuse to wear a mask or get vaccinated
00:34:25 <int-e> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ice-core-data-help-solve/
00:34:57 <keegan> when the willfully ignorant start dying from delta variant covid while the rest of us are fine then i'm sure they'll have a conspiracy theory to explain that too
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00:36:55 <keegan> basically anything that would require them to change their lifestyle even a tiny bit is fake
00:36:59 <keegan> people are so fucking entitled
00:44:37 <nakilon> keegan people who instead of trying to listen to scientists only read their facebook feed can believe in any combination of things
00:44:46 <nakilon> even that earth is not flat
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01:13:35 <keegan> i think the earth is actually a klein bottle
01:13:51 <keegan> if you keep walking north you eventually end up at the "south pole" but with left and right reversed
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01:22:26 <hendursaga> I've never met a Flat Earther who literally thought the Earth was flat, in the sense that, it had edges you'd fall off
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17:32:54 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Algesuar * New user account
17:50:26 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86049&oldid=85968 * Algesuar * (+76) To visit my site search for the "HP41 Emulator Page"
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17:56:40 <riv> int-e, regarding corners https://www.speedsolving.com/threads/restriction-games-with-the-cube-subgroups.79140/#post-1446921
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18:10:34 <riv> > [1..48] \\ [3,6,11,17,27,33,14,24,30,40,43,46]
18:10:36 <lambdabot> [1,2,4,5,7,8,9,10,12,13,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,25,26,28,29,31,32,34,35,36,3...
18:10:56 <riv> > [36..48] \\ [3,6,11,17,27,33,14,24,30,40,43,46]
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18:16:32 <b_jonas> ] ']',~'[',}.;(',',":)&.> (>:i.48)-. 3 6 11 17 27 33 14 24 30 40 43 46
18:16:42 <b_jonas> [ ']',~'[',}.;(',',":)&.> (>:i.48)-. 3 6 11 17 27 33 14 24 30 40 43 46
18:16:42 <j-bot> b_jonas: [1,2,4,5,7,8,9,10,12,13,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,25,26,28,29,31,32,34,35,36,37,38,39,41,42,44,45,47,48]
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18:28:42 <int-e> riv: ah, associating opposite corners helps a lot
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21:21:57 <fizzie> Odd. It's allegedly still running.
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21:23:14 <oerjan> those don't usually give that message, i think.
21:24:04 <fizzie> I upgraded a router kind of a thing on the way, that's probably why it initially dropped off. But it should've realized that and given up and restarted.
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21:27:18 <fizzie> Maybe there's some sort of a thing that it hangs up instead of exiting when the connection is lost. Or just takes a long time to time out, or something.
21:27:55 <fizzie> Because just doing `/etc/init.d/fungot restart` was sufficient to make it reconnect. (It still doesn't know how to autojoin channels, but one step at a time...)
21:27:55 <fungot> fizzie: spammers attack the community scheme wiki
21:28:17 <fizzie> fungot: That's terrible! But unsurprising.
21:28:17 <fungot> fizzie: aren't continuations garbage collected like anything else that consumes files here, do you? :) forgot?
21:29:53 <oerjan> fungot: recycling is omnipresent these days
21:29:53 <fungot> oerjan: i don't think a ,dump would help?:) i hate that change too.
21:30:14 <oerjan> fungot: indeed, dumps are greatly frowned upon.
21:30:14 <fungot> oerjan: how is look-for-header defined? procedure, you're doing something wrong
21:39:10 <int-e> semi-open tcp connections are nasty, lambdabot used to constantly suffer from those
21:41:44 <int-e> (The fix I settled on was to have lambdabot send its own pings...)
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22:06:22 <fizzie> int-e: Yeah, that's a little hard to arrange in the fungot context though, because all the SOCK fingerprint gives me is a blocking read call with no timeouts.
22:06:22 <fungot> fizzie: just curious. i think i'll leave one of those people. 23:00 fnord): fnord, but conditionally fnord... could be
22:13:10 <int-e> fizzie: yeah I almost wrote that this would probably be harder in Befunge
22:15:00 <int-e> Hacking something with SO_KEEPALIVE and a much shorter tcp_keepalive_time might work?
22:15:32 <int-e> maybe the problem just isn't important enough...
22:16:03 <int-e> with lambdabot it was happening once a week; fungot seems to be less affected
22:16:03 <fungot> int-e: http://rune.krokodille.com/ lang/ logos.html!! also efrem zimbalist, either
22:18:51 <fizzie> Think I'll need to first fix that persisted ignore list and autojoin, otherwise it won't really make a difference.
22:19:10 <fizzie> Or else bring back the old "put a bouncer in front" setup I was using, I just don't wanna.
22:42:16 <b_jonas> "it should've realized that [it dropped] and given up and restarted" => ahahahah! in theory, jevalbot should realize when the connection breaks, at least a few minutes after when it doesn't get a ping. in practice, it prints a message that the connection got broken, but for some reason doesn't exit. I've given up trying to debug that even back when I even tried to maintain jevalbot.
22:50:27 <fizzie> Heh. Well, this one does actually quit if the R instruction reflects, by printing "IRC read failed." and hitting a @. Which does happen if the remote side closes the connection. But of course not if it breaks in the wrong way.
22:53:50 <b_jonas> "breaks in the wrong way" => I assume that's an occupational hazard for writing code in befunge
23:00:23 <int-e> b_jonas: this "wrong way" has nothing to do with befunge though
23:02:02 <int-e> It's just a quirk of TCP because of the design decision that TCP connections can stay open forever without any packets being sent whatsoever.
23:10:52 <b_jonas> int-e: yes, but that delays you by at most a few minutes, after that you can detect the broken connection from the higher level protocol, such as IRC in this case
23:11:24 <b_jonas> which is exactly how jevalbot detects a broken connection (in some cases at least), it just somehow prints a message and can't exit properly
23:12:39 <b_jonas> sure, it would be nice to detect broken connections earlier, but eventually on a non-realtime network you will have some delay, and it's not worth to optimize that delay too much
23:13:27 <fizzie> Ooh, the SOCK fingerprint's O instruction can in fact set SO_KEEPALIVE.
23:15:14 <fizzie> (It'd still be very slow, but at least it'd trip eventually even if I'm not around.)
23:17:35 <int-e> b_jonas: You can only do that if the higher level data protocol sends data from both sides.
23:17:40 <int-e> without being prompted
23:18:07 <int-e> b_jonas: Which, for a stupid IRC client, isn't necessarily the case.
23:18:25 <fizzie> fungot: How do you feel about being called stupid?
23:18:25 <fungot> fizzie: the weather doesn't help. :) it looks decent in firebird, btw
23:19:27 <int-e> I'd s/stupid/simple/ but I'm not sure that is an improvement :P
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