< 1626222020 231653 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2 < 1626222224 317282 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1626223669 287886 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1626223810 732456 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1626225199 915753 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oog, what's happened to VS code's integrated terminal's font rendering? The letter positioning's gone all wonky. https://zem.fi/tmp/uu.png < 1626225204 935973 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's like one of those ransom notices made from newspaper cuttings. < 1626225236 962776 :sco1!~sco1@charon.whatbox.ca JOIN #esolangs sco1 :ZNC < 1626225249 402590 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :have you tried turning it off and back on again? < 1626225264 309929 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did, though for an unrelated reason. < 1626225285 885622 :Hooloovoo!Hooloovoo@sorunome.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I've seen things like that (on linux) when fonts/font rendering packages have upgraded < 1626225331 649288 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, when it's rendering red text, it's all right. It's only white text that's problematic. < 1626225384 344415 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In fact, explicitly white text is also fine. It's just the terminal's default colour that's off. < 1626225425 291918 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe some sort of a hinting/subpixel thing that's disabled for coloured text. < 1626225509 571489 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd like it to use the same (bitmap) font I use everywhere else, anyway, I just haven't figured out how to refer to it. < 1626228915 487179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite > 1626230659 70636 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86249&oldid=38969 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+54) 10/* External resources */ < 1626235822 114800 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1626238203 953274 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have had problems getting some programs to use bitmap fonts in at least some cases, especially ones based on GTK. However, btmap fonts will sometimes work for some things in the program, but not others. (There are other things I also dislike about GTK; I think there are many problems with it.) < 1626242844 285523 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1626244166 727293 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 JOIN #esolangs ^[ :user < 1626245253 6278 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you have PostScript font and encoding vector for PC character set? < 1626246621 594593 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1626247152 95361 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1626248204 677060 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-145.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1626248448 316266 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1626248685 840013 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Annihilator14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86250&oldid=74032 5* 03OrichalcumCosmonaut 5* (+0) 10/* I/O extension */ this thus < 1626249141 28368 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :isn't vscode an html+css? < 1626249253 312733 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.151.dynamic.ufanet.ru JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1626249256 471707 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's good < 1626249266 328141 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I use vs code < 1626249430 462616 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1626249609 172718 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1626249893 461717 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it has an input lag < 1626249975 790638 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1626250132 705865 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1626251158 758008 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1626251204 313108 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1626251232 109533 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1626251339 126344 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:OrichalcumCosmonaut14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86251 5* 03OrichalcumCosmonaut 5* (+292) 10Create user page (although mediawiki doesnt seem to like gemini:// links -_-) < 1626255376 266193 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1626255886 823563 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, it's an Electron app, meaning using the Chromium renderer to wrap a webby thing. Still been giving it a chance recently. Hasn't felt noticeably laggy. From some poking around, sounds like not liking bitmap fonts could be a Chromium limitation maybe. The font's known by fontconfig, which is a good start, but it is also in the BDF format; not sure if it'd work any better if converted to < 1626255888 421832 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :something more modern. > 1626256171 61913 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86252&oldid=84687 5* 03OrichalcumCosmonaut 5* (+1298) 10/* Add gemini:// to the recognised URI schemes */ new section > 1626257015 390682 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:OrichalcumCosmonaut14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86253&oldid=86251 5* 03OrichalcumCosmonaut 5* (+0) 10gemini Gemini > 1626258042 190714 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86254&oldid=86252 5* 03Fizzie 5* (+165) 10/* Add gemini:// to the recognised URI schemes */ Sure, why not. > 1626259530 110892 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Community portal14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86255&oldid=86254 5* 03OrichalcumCosmonaut 5* (+233) 10/* Add gemini:// to the recognised URI schemes */ saying thanks < 1626261685 822244 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1626261729 517723 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him > 1626263040 719432 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07INF)xO14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86256&oldid=86211 5* 03AmNow 5* (-1) 10example fix < 1626266557 310805 :wib_jonas74!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1626266581 545197 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by wib_jonas74)) < 1626266587 200692 :wib_jonas74!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu NICK :wib_jonas < 1626268328 107020 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Quit: tech_exorcist < 1626268706 374296 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1626268934 282473 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :`olist 1240 < 1626268936 196987 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1240.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1626269049 482511 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1626269069 726904 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1626269187 712223 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Client Quit < 1626269212 739190 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1626269758 996914 :shikhin!~shikhin@offtopia/offtopian QUIT :Quit: Quittin'. < 1626269760 473810 :zgrep!~zgrep@user/zgrep QUIT :Quit: It's a quitter's world. < 1626269851 651797 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space JOIN #esolangs * :shikhin < 1626269852 651746 :zgrep!~zgrep@user/zgrep JOIN #esolangs zgrep :zgrep < 1626269903 386069 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space CHGHOST ~shikhin :offtopia/offtopian < 1626275649 672137 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1626278247 454162 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1626278251 338098 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1626279168 458475 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1626279441 165575 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, how deterministic are your implementations of set operations with respect to side effects of the hashing or comparison functions of the contained data types? < 1626279441 388173 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: i'll probably ask you; i'd pick up a book on how to do < 1626279458 878146 :sco1!~sco1@charon.whatbox.ca PART :#esolangs < 1626279467 925333 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :why, thank you < 1626279549 742482 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :A book on how to ask wib_jonas things. < 1626279657 592940 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1626279677 645988 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1626279834 108502 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, that's hard. even my family hasn't mastered it. > 1626280041 735501 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86257&oldid=86180 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+1894) 10/* Example programs */ added a not-very-cheaty quine program < 1626280340 246787 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1626282275 436089 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86258&oldid=86234 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+3512) 10Added syntax highlighting to the Hello World example program > 1626284443 794961 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Minim14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86259&oldid=86258 5* 03KakkoiiChris 5* (+94) 10Filling out 'Values' subsection < 1626285979 184950 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-30.catv.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :b_jonas < 1626286057 309668 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-30.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah good, we have #esolangs-blah now as the new version of freenode/#esoteric-blah < 1626286267 717264 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-30.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you know about a floppy disk used as the save icon in software UIs, right. and you know how there are these antivirus softwares that use a shield icon to mean "you are protected". so I have two questions. 1. will those antivirus software now replace that icon with a facemask? and 2. what is the UI metaphor that is obsolete by the longest time? besides shields, arrows are another candidate. < 1626286439 221638 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-30.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shields are also used as an icon for the toughness and loyalty stats on M:tG cards, but at least that's set in one of those mediaeval fantasy universes where guns haven't obsoleted human-powered weapons yet > 1626286911 144082 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Swapfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86260&oldid=78163 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-492) 10 > 1626286937 523114 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Swapfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86261&oldid=86260 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+37) 10 < 1626287200 846344 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-30.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? #esoteric-blah < 1626287202 931832 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#esoteric-blah blah blah. Blah blah, blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah! < 1626287206 465528 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol > 1626287366 42193 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Swapfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86262&oldid=86261 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+281) 10 > 1626287655 86030 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Swapfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86263&oldid=86262 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+2) 10/* Computational class */ < 1626287998 49085 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Quit: tech_exorcist > 1626288002 922694 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Swapfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86264&oldid=86263 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-20) 10/* Computational class */ > 1626288627 975565 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Swapfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86265&oldid=86264 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+44) 10/* Computational class */ < 1626288942 652092 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, did I make HackEso join #esolangs-blah? I think I remember updating that when replicating the setup. > 1626289207 739981 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86266&oldid=84490 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-111) 10/* Related languages */ removed mindscrew < 1626289231 911646 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :HackEso: Join #esolangs-blah < 1626289240 985824 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :there, he is joined now < 1626289582 480789 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :The ZOWIE documentation has a typo < 1626289583 990767 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :"When a value is written into R7, the boolean negation of that value is written into R7: 1 if the value was 0, and 0 otherwise. Reading from R7 always offers the value 7. < 1626289584 172497 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :" < 1626289599 35821 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it should be "written into R8". R7 doesn't make sense there < 1626289603 576245 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://catseye.tc/view/ZOWIE/README.markdown < 1626290236 455756 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: shields are still used in combat < 1626290240 208780 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :haven't you ever been to a riot? < 1626290336 909552 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :here both the police and protesters/rioters use infantry formation and shield wall tactics < 1626290367 425887 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :also bows and arrows are not obsolete, they're commonly used for hunting still < 1626290373 264836 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and for sport < 1626290493 648213 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I hear the city back home had hired some bowmen to cull the city-rabbit population a little. < 1626290515 651831 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Think they're feeling a little more comfortable with bows and arrows than firearms within the city limits. < 1626291137 160924 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :On the topic of bitmap fonts, I replaced the BDF files with .otb files (that SFNT-based bitmap thing), and while they seem to work the same here in rxvt-unicode (and fontconfig-based tools in general), they're still not showing up in Chrome (and presumably VS Code). :/ Not sure how to debug that. Maybe I need to try Chromium and then poke around in the code. > 1626291358 682662 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Swapfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86267&oldid=86265 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+14) 10/* Computational class */ > 1626291367 830137 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Swapfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86268&oldid=86267 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+0) 10/* Computational class */ < 1626291875 764998 :immibis_!~immibis@2a02:3032:404:1b60:a9d2:4a7a:60e:e127 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1626291911 841557 :immibis!~immibis@62.156.144.218 QUIT :Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by immibis_!~immibis@2a02:3032:404:1b60:a9d2:4a7a:60e:e127)) < 1626291915 863801 :immibis_!~immibis@2a02:3032:404:1b60:a9d2:4a7a:60e:e127 NICK :immibis < 1626292458 714282 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-20-76-65-4-119.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver < 1626292591 707960 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-30.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: they're not completely obsolete, sure\ < 1626292597 229992 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-12-30.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :just mostly < 1626293783 965543 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-20-76-65-4-119.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1626293906 428098 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-20-76-65-4-119.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver > 1626293971 107 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Rdococ 5* 10moved [[02Zeno10]] to [[Zeno (Archived)]] > 1626293971 51224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Rdococ 5* 10moved [[02Talk:Zeno10]] to [[Talk:Zeno (Archived)]] > 1626293978 947682 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Zeno (Archived)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86273&oldid=86269 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-19) 10 > 1626293991 103946 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86274&oldid=86063 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-67) 10 > 1626294746 147172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86275&oldid=86257 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+65) 10/* Quine */ a shorter one < 1626294946 739143 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aw. The font in question works in Firefox, but not in Chromium or Chrome. So I guess it's definitely the browser to blame then. > 1626295057 759547 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86276&oldid=86275 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (-715) 10/* Quine */ that revision's comment was wrong, but I forgot what the procedure for dealing with that is. Instead, I just put an actual shorter one here > 1626295240 925457 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86277&oldid=86276 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+3) 10/* Finite loop */ > 1626295327 39329 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86278&oldid=86277 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+0) 10/* Finite loop */ < 1626296279 775849 :sco1!~sco1@charon.whatbox.ca JOIN #esolangs sco1 :ZNC < 1626296751 549036 :spruit11_!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:4852:6669:da0c:37fe JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1626296960 402862 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:f403:cf1e:97b5:1c9b QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1626297808 266102 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1626298078 607226 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. I think it might boil down to https://codereview.chromium.org/401303002 "Require that FC_SCALABLE is true in Fontconfig queries (matching Blink) --", but attempting to build a copy of Chromium to confirm that feels overwhelming. Especially since I don't really care whether it will work in a browser or not. < 1626298094 947434 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe there's a fontconfig way of just forcing it to treat it as a scalable font. < 1626298298 755711 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, there is (at least, it makes `fc-match -v` report it as "scalable: True(w)"), but it's not sufficient to make it start to actually work. < 1626298507 678171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen > 1626298595 981569 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Parse this sic14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86279&oldid=86278 5* 03Digital Hunter 5* (+4) 10/* Quine */ < 1626299754 695887 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-20-76-65-4-119.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1626302447 531094 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder how long does it take chromium to compile today > 1626302455 347716 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Xorol 5* 10New user account < 1626302485 320641 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :was 2,5h on a server in 2013, on previous engine < 1626302525 977068 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw, guys, people from all different countries < 1626302625 930714 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a02:8106:215:3300:e7ad:5ab7:4ea0:e177 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1626302857 779352 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the USSR was a home for many many different nations, that were very different in culture, religion, level of education, etc.; some of difficult nations are living around Caucasus Mountains; to survive in WW2 Stalin was applying different preventive measures of migration < 1626302985 611973 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :such as sending the criminals to the east, far from the border where the war is going to come to; also he decided to send out some whole nations because they mostly were pretty much unreliable and could even become a nazi collaborationsists < 1626303098 292150 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@94.41.6.151.dynamic.ufanet.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1626303158 735968 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so among the nations that were massively forcefully migrated there were Chechens -- those people live without law, they just stab you in the back if they don't like you, they lived in those mountains, and when the war was over and they had to come back... < 1626303352 752419 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :someone fucked up this process and decades after that several small nations there started arguing about the territory, and they are used to solve the problems only via a fight; that's how the Chechen war started when Russia decided to intervent 'since it was it's subrepublic or something like that > 1626303374 564352 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86280&oldid=86248 5* 03Xorol 5* (+111) 10 < 1626303671 669065 :sco1!~sco1@charon.whatbox.ca PART :#esolangs < 1626303672 571588 :immibis_!~immibis@62.156.144.218 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1626303830 137912 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Chechens started making terroristic acts in Russia, blowing up buildings, metro, cinema, etc.; they wear a specific kind of beard to mak people know that "we are Chechens, we are above the law", they don't attend the university because teaching and working hard is against their culture, etc. < 1626303837 78731 :immibis!~immibis@2a02:3032:404:1b60:a9d2:4a7a:60e:e127 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1626303976 425833 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tell this because I know you don't know it, and when people hear about Chechen problem in Russia they don't really understand what it is and make some wrong parallels with other countries and their problems < 1626304355 230048 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the thing is that the Chechen war is over, the terroristic organizations are wiped out by Putin but Moscow and some other big cities are full of Chechens and they all do criminal; they are about 10% of population on streets, and they are above the law < 1626304491 662588 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :since they don't study and absolutely can't behave they only earn money from crime and sometimes working at stores; and for example, today one such Chechen store worker attacked me, tried to push me out of store and beat me up < 1626304566 494613 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the thing is that if that was a Russian guy people would call the police and he would pay for that, but Chechens are allowed to do that; no one called police and even if police comes, they just get bribed and that's it < 1626304583 252971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: i know there were chechen terrorists, i remember beslan which of course shocked me. however, as a westerner i am suspicious how much you know from personal knowledge and how much you believe because you believe putin propaganda. i don't believe _putin_ at all, of course. i figure any politician who suppresses opposotion or journalism should be considered guilty of all crimes by default. < 1626304599 512258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*opposition < 1626304606 576772 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :> how much you know from personal knowledge < 1626304608 291486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : error: < 1626304608 424577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : • Variable not in scope: < 1626304608 510143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : how < 1626304613 16856 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I lieve among these people < 1626304682 970794 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't care how much bullshit you've being fed by your mass media < 1626304694 263147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :very good. < 1626304713 577611 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just wanted to ask if there are similar national minorities in other countries that are above the law < 1626304769 773862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i actually started reading a lot less news about early 2016 (which in retrospect seems the perfect time to have done so) < 1626304801 676633 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :try reading sources instead of news < 1626304804 677697 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe ask locals < 1626304823 868171 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and not emigrants or neonazis < 1626304941 21823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't think there are many chechens in norway, which may be fortunate < 1626304963 772342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :and i don't recall any minority that's above the law here. < 1626305029 935318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :...i just realize my first message did exactly what i accused you of possibly doing. sorry. < 1626305050 374563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's how reality bubbles work, i guess. < 1626305071 161278 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm used to russophobia in all its forms < 1626305085 81287 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :one of them is demonizing the %current_presider/leader% < 1626305092 567650 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*nt < 1626305147 75755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i admit that is one of my prejudices against russians, you're _horrible_ at getting good leaders. > 1626305158 557439 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Versert14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86281&oldid=19010 5* 03Back 5* (+1649) 10 < 1626305180 62759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course there are many other countries who are competing at that < 1626305320 945320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i used to think about a decade ago that the one thing china seemed to be getting right, was having strict time limits for leaders. and then Xi got them repealed... < 1626305335 569769 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I want call leaders bad who converted the (feodal?) Imperia to an absolutely organized multinational country being leader in many technologies in just 30 years < 1626305367 695987 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and no matter how much you read about "gulag" and stuff in fact I tell you that none of my family members were opressed, maybe because they just wre not criminals < 1626305376 550565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(well the one pure political thing. they did get economy right too) < 1626305452 788866 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are too many lies such as people were starving because of Stalin while in fact it was just bad harvest and it can happen anywhere < 1626305456 446983 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :etc. etc. > 1626305483 811529 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tock14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86282 5* 03Silver 5* (+4041) 10page created < 1626305521 71139 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is just a ton of fakes about china today too on reddit; people are literally made the website that calls itself a "homepage of internet" a place to spread hate towards two nations < 1626305551 611850 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://imgur.com/a/i6FlRRa < 1626305557 590394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION regrets getting into this conversation. < 1626305605 10439 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah my question wasn't about politics, it was just a historical explanation of a local culture problem > 1626305607 8844 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86283&oldid=86213 5* 03Silver 5* (+11) 10added link to Tock > 1626305639 106444 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Silver14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86284&oldid=71258 5* 03Silver 5* (+11) 10added link to Tock < 1626305665 13362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: that imgur is you trolling and someone taking the bait trolling back. i don't see how that proves anything. < 1626305698 433478 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like Norway btw, it's beautiful from what I see on youtube < 1626305709 398691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :you were basically _asking_ for someone to do that. < 1626305761 578373 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I've read about Norway immigration on wikiepdia -- it shows that numbers are growing fast while there are only like 4 millions of Norwegians, I'm very afraid about your country < 1626305816 487037 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan that screenshot shows the hate comment and the reddit administration verdict that it isn't < 1626305854 609410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh i see. i should keep reading. < 1626305873 576225 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :sry if I wasn't clear < 1626305912 583856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, i agree with the administration verdict because of the thing i said before reading it. < 1626305964 196285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was a joke in response to you basically claiming someone would want to do that. < 1626306017 772954 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh really ..D > 1626306027 581318 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Versert14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86285&oldid=86281 5* 03Back 5* (+1818) 10 > 1626306246 270879 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Versert14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86286&oldid=86285 5* 03Back 5* (+458) 10 < 1626306762 793264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: anyway in a higher perspective i think basically all humans are stuck believing things some things that are deeply wrong, whether they are norwegians, chechens, russians, chinese or americans (of either the trumpist or woke extreme, or in between), and that this causes them to misinterpret others who have _different_ sets of wrong beliefs. of course i cannot be sure what _my_ fundamentally < 1626306768 879988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :wrong beliefs are, but logically they must exist. < 1626306815 384339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :and also logically, i shouldn't necessarily trust others on what they are :P < 1626306825 503134 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I heard there is a trick how to know if some stuff is worth buying < 1626306860 142133 :spruit11_!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:4852:6669:da0c:37fe QUIT :Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1626306877 396352 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:4852:6669:da0c:37fe JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1626306908 74266 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :instead of reading the article written for money you read what people write, by adding "is shit" or "sucks", like google "iphone sucks" to find if there is somethuing untold about it < 1626306954 117356 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in case of articles about countries you don't live in just take a look what can be lied in the articles about them < 1626306957 828930 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's trivial < 1626307008 55769 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :once you find a hundreds of debunking you should understand "this media lies" and that's it" < 1626307032 191268 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if there are a hundred of lieing medias then "someone pays for it", etc. < 1626307132 769888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i use the opposite trick of never buying anything hth < 1626307170 39117 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or just ask yourself why the hell Engilsh internet is producing tons of shit about Russian history 24/7 to feed it to their english readers, while no one in Russia produces shit about American history -- there is no point in it unless it's just your ultimate goal -- to grow a hate