2021-07-01: 00:02:20 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85584&oldid=85580 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-34) /* Non-alphabetic */ m 00:05:08 [[Knight]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85585&oldid=85545 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+49) /* Links */ Ctas 01:01:37 -!- NotApplicable has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:18:49 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Uellenberg * New user account 02:20:41 -!- Uellenberg has joined. 02:24:04 Hey there, I found out about the esolangs wiki recently and while I sort of understand the concept of an esolang, I'm still a bit unsure if this qualifies as one: https://github.com/uellenberg/REXS. 02:27:40 -!- cd has quit (Quit: leaving). 02:28:47 -!- cd has joined. 02:34:25 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85586&oldid=85501 * Uellenberg * (+243) /* Introductions */ 02:35:09 Yeah, sure. Esolangs don't have to be Turing-complete to be esoteric. 02:36:29 Thanks (y) 03:14:56 -!- arseniiv has joined. 03:18:30 [[REXS]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85587 * Uellenberg * (+3212) Create stub page 03:19:20 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85588&oldid=85584 * Uellenberg * (+11) Add REXS to list 03:35:35 -!- spruit11 has joined. 03:38:42 -!- spruit11_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:42:18 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:43:52 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 03:46:54 [[REXS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85589&oldid=85587 * Uellenberg * (+1418) Add control sets 03:48:17 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:50:47 -!- Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in). 03:54:00 -!- Noisytoot has joined. 04:07:24 [[REXS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85590&oldid=85589 * Uellenberg * (+57) Add links to parameters 04:14:42 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:31:32 [[REXS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85591&oldid=85590 * Uellenberg * (+2313) Add most of REXS' functions 04:35:16 [[REXS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85592&oldid=85591 * Uellenberg * (+26) Add implemented category 04:52:03 mildly satisfying, what do you think?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Indian_pigments.jpg 04:55:58 [[Talk:Metabox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85593&oldid=85583 * Bangyen * (+184) 05:15:07 -!- sebbu has joined. 05:20:25 [[REXS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85594&oldid=85592 * Uellenberg * (-35) Remove function grouping 05:24:41 [[REXS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85595&oldid=85594 * Uellenberg * (+418) Add the functional parts of match 05:35:34 [[REXS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85596&oldid=85595 * Uellenberg * (+911) Add before and after functions 05:35:46 [[REXS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85597&oldid=85596 * Uellenberg * (-9) Remove stub template 05:38:03 -!- monoxane6 has joined. 05:39:26 -!- monoxane has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:39:26 -!- monoxane6 has changed nick to monoxane. 05:44:17 Mmm this month's Ponder This isn't very exciting. (It may still be hard or easy, depends on what you know.) 05:44:27 `? password 05:44:29 The password of the month is moving to Libera Chat. 05:45:12 Tempting, but I think I'm getting too many of those. 05:46:11 . o O ( `learn The password of the month is tempting. <-- An obvious candidate, now. ) 05:47:08 [[REXS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85598&oldid=85597 * Uellenberg * (+670) Add IRC example 05:48:18 -!- tromp has joined. 05:58:36 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 06:03:12 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:03:31 I'm a bit confused with the thematic category. My language is built to compile to Regex, rather than actually be ran, so is Regex an applicable theme there? 06:10:24 Hmm. I'd say it's not thematic, but could argue either way; it's not a very well-defined category. Basically I think regular expressions *are* a programming paradigm. 06:14:18 -!- tromp has joined. 06:23:36 The distinction between paradigms and themes isn't easy either... to pick an example... https://esolangs.org/wiki/Babalang is in the "Thematic" category, but should it be? Isn't Baba is You more of a novel programming paradigm? 06:33:45 `learn The password of the month is tempting in retrospect 06:33:49 int-e: see 06:33:50 Relearned 'password': The password of the month is tempting in retrospect 06:40:48 [[REXS]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85599&oldid=85598 * Uellenberg * (+26) Add output only category 07:16:38 -!- hanif has joined. 08:06:08 -!- hendursaga has joined. 08:06:14 -!- riv has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:09:31 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:15:49 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 08:18:09 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 08:18:10 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 08:27:09 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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Entering the tables directly makes it much more difficult to edit, I think. 05:50:26 Cannot wait for Wikifunctions to be a thing. 05:50:42 wikifunctions? 05:51:26 The official name for "Abstract Wikipedia". The core idea is to use Wikidata to fill in templates for many different pages. 05:56:31 I meant just using the standard template feature, but that can work too I suppose 06:35:17 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:47:15 -!- spirgel_ has joined. 06:50:07 -!- spirgel has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 06:50:18 -!- tromp has joined. 07:25:43 -!- jryans has joined. 07:32:44 -!- Deewiant has joined. 07:32:56 -!- fizzie[m] has joined. 07:45:43 -!- jryans has quit (Quit: Client limit exceeded: 20000). 07:49:04 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_arithmetic#Arithmetic_undefinability 07:49:19 -!- jryans has joined. 07:49:21 I didn't expect posts theorem to come up here, very interesting 07:49:47 I recently studied the 'uniform' halting problem and how a uniform halting oracle is stronger than a halting oracle 07:49:55 which is I guess a special case of posts theorem 07:51:53 -!- Deewiant has quit (Quit: Client limit exceeded: 20000). 07:52:54 people in #math keep talking about godels theorem, in particular the idea that the godel sentence is 'true' [in fuzzy terms] but unprovable 07:53:00 and its making me doubt things 07:53:09 -!- Deewiant has joined. 07:53:35 im not sure why the topic keeps coming up 07:54:02 but it seems kind of like nonsense. you can adjoin G or you can adjoin ~G.. 07:54:27 i thought there was no standard model of arithmetic but I need to read more on true arithmetic 07:56:19 What is the uniform halting problem? 07:57:02 It's maybe kind of nonsense but you can kind of see what they're getting at too, right? 07:58:01 I understand it but i don't like it 07:58:39 uniform halting problem is "does this turing machine halt on all inputs" 07:58:44 -!- fizzie[m] has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:58:47 -!- Deewiant has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:58:56 -!- jryans has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:00:14 a halting oracle can't construct this 08:00:15 -!- jryans has joined. 08:01:03 Makes sense. 08:01:12 -!- Deewiant has joined. 08:01:17 -!- riv has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:01:24 -!- fizzie[m] has joined. 08:06:39 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 08:08:57 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:18:16 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 08:19:03 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 08:19:31 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 08:20:06 -!- jryans has quit (Quit: Client limit exceeded: 20000). 08:24:39 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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It was created by [[User:Andrew3335]] in 2021 and is intended to be used fo..." 14:03:23 -!- arseniiv has joined. 14:06:07 -!- archenoth has joined. 14:46:23 [[School]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85635&oldid=84797 * AceKiron * (+18) 14:59:00 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Quit: hendursa1). 15:03:22 -!- wib_jonas has quit (Quit: Client closed). 15:08:51 [[Ascii]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85636 * Rphii * (+5486) created 15:10:06 [[User:Rphii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85637&oldid=85557 * Rphii * (+56) 15:10:33 -!- hendursaga has joined. 15:15:17 [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85638&oldid=85636 * Rphii * (+16) /* Loop, if and invert */ small clarification 15:15:59 [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85639&oldid=85638 * Rphii * (+3) /* Loop, if and invert */ grammar 15:19:06 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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I like this one https://www.reddit.com/r/generative/comments/oc8vud/confined_3d_noise_rotation_on_a_grid/ 18:01:28 riv hi 18:02:11 hey 18:02:16 did anyone want to talk about uniform halting? 18:02:32 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 18:02:56 rfc documents have some standartized format, I wonder if it's possible to process them enough to make some Q/A system for quick referencing via a bot 18:05:41 judging from how google and yandex already provide snippets I guess google could give the answers to questions like "what are the field of Atom item?", "what is BNF of IRCv3 tag? 18:05:44 " 18:06:00 *fields 18:07:15 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:11:35 -!- hanif has joined. 18:12:50 nakilon: strange, interesting 18:14:41 the next cyberpunk movie should have such paintings on the walls 18:14:54 I would buy one... oh with an ability to edit it! 18:15:14 google is very good 18:15:33 I sometimes want to use man pages, but i find it so difficult to find what i want to know and i give up and google works better 18:15:44 I think that all man pages should be processed and searchable by something like google 18:15:50 locally 18:18:20 -!- tromp has joined. 18:28:23 The proof of rices theorem is surprisingly involved 18:28:54 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 18:29:19 hi riv. nice to see you're interested in the uniform halting problem (you used to be rain1, right?) 18:29:45 -!- tromp has joined. 18:30:00 yes 18:30:25 *still interested 18:30:40 are you still following soare's book? 18:31:15 i haven't studied it since last time, 18:40:17 -!- riv has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:42:08 man page suck 18:42:16 that's what I learned about linux the first 18:43:33 what you are looking for is either in 1 page long --help, or is undocumented and only one person on the planet knows it but didn't yet write it anywhere 18:45:38 -!- hanif has quit (Quit: quit). 19:04:17 man pages are btw indexed by google, the sse64 website or something like that 19:08:06 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 19:12:03 -!- tromp has joined. 19:19:36 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 19:31:50 -!- Thelie has joined. 19:37:16 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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Hopefully, this will allow interoperability with different programs, too. 20:44:18 how do you expect it to allow interoperability? 20:45:06 [[FlipJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85651&oldid=85650 * Tomhe * (+135) /* Memory - how can we implement variables? */ - better explained 20:45:56 For one thing, with file formats. If a file format uses a number to indicate a hash algorithm, and the multicodec numbers are used, then when new hashes are added, everyone can agree what numbers to use for what hash algorithm. Other thing, if somehow a number needs to be passed from one library or program to another, you do not need to use a translation table. 20:46:02 [[FlipJump]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85652&oldid=85651 * Tomhe * (+6) /* Output */ typo 20:47:26 Different libraries might have their own names for constants, although if multicodec numbers are used then the values of these constants will match. For example, I have a library with FOSIMP_SHA1, FOSIMP_SHA3_256, and FOSIMP_MD5. FOSIMP_SHA1 is defined as 0x11, and any other program that uses multicodec numbers will (if it supports SHA-1 hashes at all, which it might not) also use 0x11. 20:48:26 [[FlipJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85653&oldid=85652 * Tomhe * (-3) /* Input */ 20:49:37 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_arithmetic#Arithmetic_undefinability i am curious to learn about this 20:50:02 zzo38, why not just use sha256 20:50:15 and no need to specify which hash. always sha256 20:52:16 riv: For one thing, some things require different hashes. (Specifically, Fossil doesn't use SHA2-256; it uses the three hashes I mentioned.) 20:52:18 riv: because cryptographic hashes only live for like twelve years usually, so that only works if your software's lifetime is shorter than that 20:52:46 hmm 20:52:48 riv: if truth were definable, then we could find a fixed point of f |-> not True(f), which would satisfy [f] <--> not True(f) <--> not [f]. 20:52:55 :O 20:53:00 1 liner! 20:53:20 -!- Thelie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:53:31 riv: Well, taking all the machinery of Gödel and others for granted. 20:54:26 (It does not use MD5 to identify anything, but only as an extra verification. Still, for the interfaces which calculate the hashes and identify the algorithm used in hashes that are already computed, it helps to specify these things. Specifically, they are the first argument of the fosimp_hash and fosimp_hash_stream functions, and the last argument of fosimp_set_hash.) 20:55:09 riv: still, that's the core proof idea. 20:55:11 Also, the fosimp_hash_stream function allows defining an echo stream. I don't know which (if any) other hashing libraries include such a capability. 20:58:02 riv: ret-conned corollary: Since provability is definable, it can't coincide with Truth, hence PA is incomplete. ;-) 20:58:41 very very nice 21:00:53 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 21:37:31 I think that truth may be partially definable, although not entirely. 21:52:30 truth implies provability 21:52:50 but i don't really understand this true arithmetic thing 21:53:03 maybe it's a set that is singled out using second order logic 21:57:34 -!- cd has joined. 22:07:13 riv: "truth" is understood with respect to the standard model of PA (which you can construct in your favorite set theory... so it's really not an arbitrary model of PA. The notion /may/ still be relative to the model of set theory... it's confusing.) 22:07:55 ah/,. 22:08:00 riv: And truth (in a fixed model) doesn't imply provability, that's the whole point of incompleteness. 22:08:25 oh i meant the other way around 22:09:17 Ah. That makes more sense (it's soundness of the formal system.) 22:09:54 -!- Corbin_ has joined. 22:10:22 I think that provability implies truth, but truth does not imply provability (the truth of some statement might be unprovable or even undefined). 22:10:44 -!- Corbin has quit (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Corbin_))). 22:10:49 -!- Corbin_ has changed nick to Corbin. 22:11:51 I had defined true as: if a set S of true statements are assumed to be theorems and from that (and the rest of the system) you can prove X, then X is true. 22:12:26 There may be statements whose truth is unknown or unprovable; just because the previous definition does not make a statement true does not necessarily mean it isn't true; its truth could be undefined instead. 22:15:22 Also, true and false are not necessarily mutually exclusive (although they will be if the system is consistent), since I will define false as: if you have a true statement X and another statement Y, and from X and Y you can prove all well-formed statements, then Y is false. 22:16:05 (Again, whether or not a statement is false might be undecidable or even undefined, just as whether or not a statement is true.) 22:16:50 Does that make sense? 23:42:01 -!- hflotmnaugh has changed nick to mnrmnaugh. 23:44:37 [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85654&oldid=85646 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+69) cats 23:52:03 -!- nakilon has quit (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat). 2021-07-03: 00:17:03 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:19:13 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 00:51:52 -!- Guest26nakilon has joined. 00:51:55 crap 00:52:24 my thelounge does not start on new server 00:58:10 -!- Oshawott has joined. 01:01:36 -!- archenoth has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 02:05:42 -!- Guest26nakilon has quit (Quit: Client closed). 03:45:56 -!- dyeplexer has joined. 04:38:49 -!- arseniiv has joined. 06:12:34 -!- tromp has joined. 06:32:02 -!- sprock has quit (Quit: brb). 06:40:30 -!- sprock has joined. 06:55:26 -!- sprock has quit (Quit: brb). 06:59:30 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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Naively it might seem like you have to do it serially, but you can just start at various points and build a map of the subgraph of distinguished points. 08:01:34 This is similar to a problem I was actually trying to figure out, though that one turned out to be much more easily parallelizable. 08:07:14 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 08:07:40 [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85655&oldid=85654 * Dominicentek * (+1) Fixed a typo 08:08:54 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:16:58 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 08:20:00 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 08:20:00 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 08:26:16 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:31:24 -!- nakilon has joined. 08:38:37 -!- nakilon has quit (Quit: rasengan did nothing wrong). 08:39:22 -!- nakilon has joined. 09:00:49 -!- delta23 has joined. 09:25:29 -!- nakilon has quit (Quit: rasengan did nothing wrong). 09:28:28 -!- nakilon has joined. 09:28:56 ping 09:28:56 pong 09:29:02 finally 09:29:22 after two undocumented manipulations 09:30:45 1. after https://docs.docker.com/engine/security/userns-remap/ you have to chown -R the mounted volume to that fake uid otherwise OS does not understand what user is trying to access it 09:31:52 2. there are dozens of questions why dockerized nginx does not use the docker built-in 127.0.0.11 resolver so you have to hardcode it in nginx conf location directive 09:32:16 no one knows the answer why 09:35:51 -!- nakilon has quit (Quit: rasengan did nothing wrong). 09:36:50 -!- nakilon has joined. 09:41:15 you know how to understand that you should start closing tabs in chrome? 09:41:34 it's when you pin the tab and instead of becoming narrower it becomes wider 10:23:09 "When a process accesses a file, its user and group IDs are mapped into the initial user namespace for the purpose of permission checking and assigning IDs when creating a file. When a process retrieves file user and group IDs via stat(2), the IDs are mapped in the opposite direction, to produce values relative to the process user and group ID mappings." 10:23:16 (man user_namespaces) 10:24:52 "This re-mapping is transparent to the container, but introduces some configuration complexity in situations where the container needs access to resources on the Docker host, such as bind mounts into areas of the filesystem that the system user cannot write to." is thoroughly uninformative though. 10:30:23 aha, "some configuration complexity" that we won't explain how to solve 10:30:27 shachaf: Right. Rainbow tables work for permutations as well as for pseudo-random functions. 10:31:04 Oh and near the end, there's this pseudo-sentence: "For example, if volumes are mounted from the host, file ownership must be pre-arranged need read or write access to the volume contents." 10:31:28 (Something went off the rails with the grammar there.) 10:32:01 some grammar complexity 10:51:04 -!- velik has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:28:36 -!- oerjan has joined. 11:40:38 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 12:01:43 -!- arseniiv has joined. 12:18:41 -!- velik has joined. 12:41:16 -!- queeries has changed nick to Soni. 12:52:53 -!- dyeplexer has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 13:01:03 I read somewhere about a neat (? you tell me) format for approximate rationals which represents rational numbers with an error as pairs of rational numbers of bounded denominators: lesser the error, lesser the bound. It was claimed this way is better for some things but I forgot which. What do you think, and have you encountered something like that? 13:01:30 pairs are lower and upper bound to the number thus represented 13:04:00 obviously, one pro is that you can have as small an error as you want, paying with size of denominators and numerators. Hm I need to remember where did I read the specifics which problem was the author solving with this format 13:05:40 OTOH the arithmetic might end up slow?.. Not just due to occasional bignums, just due to software implementation of this thing vs. for instance hardware floating-point 13:16:14 Can't help but think of continued fractions. There's an upper and a lower bound, and each coefficient alternates between improving the upper bound and lower bound. 13:20:21 this says there is something called Raku that uses "limited-precision fractional" but it's just fixed bit length limit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_data_type#Language_support 13:21:39 yeah something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continued_fraction#Best_rational_approximations 13:22:59 -!- dyeplexer has joined. 13:24:46 Corbin: ah yes, connecting those might be interesting 13:26:51 nakilon: yeah, continued fractions are usually used for approximations, though there are some other uses I don’t remember right now. There is even a good arithmetic with them when implemented as iterators, which uses several related Möbius transformation neat things 13:28:03 IIRC projecteuler had a lot of problems with continued fractions 13:28:07 I was just skipping them lol 13:35:15 Has anyone tried to use the github copilot for projecteuler? Also, has the copilot be sued for copyright infringement yet? 13:36:44 wow, automatized bug copypaster 13:37:14 There are some egregious examples around... https://nitter.fdn.fr/mitsuhiko/status/1410886329924194309#m is an unambiguous copyright violation, and https://gist.github.com/0xabad1dea/7026665beb6de41c17c89beebfb1bb90 is ridiculous on another level (ask yourself: would you rather debug that code or start from scratch?) 13:43:05 huh 13:46:44 Heh, imagine the warning label "may contain code produced by AI" 13:55:14 today I learned that (x + y) - y can be 1 or 2 bits off in floating point 13:55:22 possibly more bits off depending on the size of the numbers 13:55:33 floating point is such a great hack 13:55:39 who would have thought of this 13:55:58 making a floating point number type that somehow works well for almost all applications 13:56:18 i think lua uses floating points for tagged unions 13:56:26 explointing the many NaNs 13:57:46 lol @ copilot stuff 14:09:05 > (0.1 + 1e100) -1e100 14:09:07 0.0 14:09:10 pretty off 14:09:29 O_O 14:09:55 riv: it's pretty obvious that you can't keep anything with a big enough size difference 14:11:15 1 or 2 bits sounds about right if they are almost the same size 14:11:43 > (44.614 + 2^52) - 2^52 14:11:44 45.0 14:12:07 heh 14:12:13 ;O 14:12:19 is that a trick to round a number to integer 14:12:32 > (1231231.122 + 2^52) - 2^52 14:12:33 1231231.0 14:12:36 > (1231231.722 + 2^52) - 2^52 14:12:38 1231232.0 14:12:39 seems so 14:13:12 yes, with some severe limitations 14:14:30 (basically it's restricted to the [0,2^52] range of numbers, and it depends on the current FPU rounding mode) 14:14:51 and of course it's only for binary IEEE double precision floating point numbers 14:15:05 which have a 52 bit mantissa 14:15:08 perhaps it technically works for > 2^52 as well? 14:15:17 (because those _are_ integers) 14:15:34 Note that Kahan has a classic technique for extending addition to work cleanly throughout the range of floats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahan_summation_algorithm 14:17:51 -!- Cale has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:18:44 oh cool! 14:18:59 -!- hanif has joined. 14:19:27 (2^52 + 1 + 2^52) - 2^52 14:19:33 > (2^52 + 1 + 2^52) - 2^52 14:19:34 4503599627370497 14:19:42 -!- Cale has joined. 14:19:44 > 2^52 + 1 14:19:45 4503599627370497 14:20:52 -!- hanif has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:21:13 -!- hanif has joined. 14:22:16 > (2^52 + 1.0 + 2^52) - 2^52 == 2^52 + 1 14:22:18 False 14:33:40 -!- riv has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:35:54 > (2^52 + 1 + 2^52) - 2^52 14:35:56 4503599627370497 14:36:05 > (2^52 + 1.0 + 2^52) - 2^52 14:36:07 4.503599627370496e15 14:36:31 > (2^52 + 1 + 2^52) - 2^52 - (2^52 + 1) 14:36:33 0 14:38:11 oh duh 14:39:06 too long since i've done haskell 14:39:10 > (2^52 + 1 + 2^52) - 2^52 - (2^52 + 1) :: Double 14:39:11 -1.0 14:40:19 writing 1.0 is a cheap way to get a Double in many cases (by default type rules) 14:42:29 woah 14:42:35 why does it says it's free? https://www.wolfram.com/engine/ 14:44:54 because you don't have to pay for it as long as you don't use it for anything useful? 14:45:59 no I meamn 14:46:11 Mathematica never was free 14:46:25 looks like now the GUI is what you pay for 14:47:39 oh damn, it just gives you two keys that have to be validated with website 14:53:10 -!- Trieste has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 15:15:24 -!- hanif has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:15:47 -!- hanif has joined. 15:15:50 -!- tromp has joined. 15:25:28 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:53:10 will there be an ICFP contest 2021? 15:58:58 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Quit: hendursa1). 15:59:50 -!- hendursaga has joined. 16:03:57 b_jonas: I think I heard there would be 16:04:10 https://icfpcontest2021.github.io/ next weekend 16:08:36 oh! so they didn't get the usual domain name http://icfpcontest.org/ for some reason? 16:08:42 thanks 16:09:18 `? icfp 16:09:20 I see functorial people. 16:11:06 -!- perlbot has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:12:18 -!- simcop2387 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 16:17:09 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 16:19:42 -!- perlbot has joined. 16:21:43 -!- simcop2387 has joined. 16:25:33 -!- hanif has joined. 16:25:51 -!- hendursaga has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:27:26 -!- hendursaga has joined. 16:39:53 it was github.io the last year too IIRC 16:40:27 I see funge people 16:41:47 <^[> nakilon: Raku is Larry Wall's latest esolang. 16:45:03 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 16:53:55 -!- Cale has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:55:32 -!- Cale has joined. 16:56:07 -!- riv has joined. 17:22:25 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * OrichalcumCosmonaut * New user account 17:28:51 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85656&oldid=85586 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+313) /* Introductions */ 18:14:48 -!- dyeplexer has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:19:08 -!- velik has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:20:44 -!- velik has joined. 18:44:36 [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85657&oldid=85655 * Rphii * (+128) cleaned it up a little bit 18:44:50 hey b_jonas 18:44:57 \ruby 1+2 18:45:06 3 18:47:02 \ruby RUBY_VERSION 18:47:09 "2.7.3" 18:48:11 [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85658&oldid=85657 * Rphii * (+52) /* Initialization */ clean-up 18:49:13 -!- Sgeo has joined. 19:19:00 \ruby %"[ echo \ruby 7+2" 19:19:03 "[ echo \ruby 7+2" 19:19:07 \ruby print %"[ echo \ruby 7+2" 19:19:10 [ echo [CR]uby 7+2nil 19:19:37 \ruby print %q"[ echo \ruby 7+2" 19:19:40 [ echo \ruby 7+2nil 19:19:49 \ruby print %q"[ echo \ruby 7+";2 19:19:52 [ echo \ruby 7+2 19:19:59 yeah, there's a space 19:46:19 i think lua uses floating points for tagged unions => cool 19:47:03 wha 19:47:08 floating points for tagged unions? 19:47:58 https://anniecherkaev.com/the-secret-life-of-nan 19:49:03 if a signal is available, it'll be used.. 19:52:46 life finds a way 19:53:10 I have some Arduino libraries that return NaN for "sensor not found" which I find rather distasteful, but such is life 19:53:51 no available number 19:53:57 heh 19:54:20 -!- chrysanthematic has joined. 19:56:59 In Chicken, (number? +nan.0) => #t, which makes sense but just feels a bit off anyway. 20:03:08 Nearly a Number. 20:03:35 fungot: Do you use any floats? 20:03:35 fizzie: ( sigh) 20:04:03 fungot: do you prefer rafts? 20:04:03 int-e: the abbreviation is not really a simple macro to write if or cond expressions. 20:06:26 hahah 20:11:46 fungot: what will you do once you reach the floating point? 20:11:46 int-e: if you're just talking nonsense now to fuck with their brains", right?") and it only needs some way of specifying arguments. 20:15:43 fungot's catching on 20:15:43 oerjan: hmm what's fgk? 20:16:45 oerjan: I know right? it's uncanny. 20:16:52 fungot: Fachverband Gebäude-Klima e. V. hth 20:16:52 fizzie: i've gone in a short function of 3 lines can be one line :) 20:17:11 Wow, air conditioning. 20:18:10 fungot: was that a zzo38 quote... 20:18:11 int-e: got a link to the user, or something... how can you beat that?)? i'm using a design of my esolang 20:18:31 `? zzo38 20:18:33 zzo38 is not actually the next version of fungot, much as it may seem. 20:22:35 int-e: People seem to be into rafts and they always talk about how Paxos is complicated, but I don't think it's so bad. 20:25:03 What is... oh... well, I didn't consent to be drawn into a distributed computing discussion. 20:25:26 All I wanted was to go with the flow. 20:27:54 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Sebosh * New user account 20:29:11 fungot: do you think people should figure out two-party consent first? 20:29:11 int-e: i was quite surprised, when i were to use any of those so i guess the gcc version fnord an implementation of syntactic closures ( mit scheme) 20:29:49 fungot: you lost me there 20:29:49 int-e: and thanks for the ( 1) ( b1. 2)) 20:29:58 fungot: fine, be that way 20:29:59 int-e: like funge98 ' ( ' foobar)? i'd like to 20:30:03 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:30:04 I don't think consent and consensus are really the same thing. 20:30:52 oh but there's a significant overlap 20:35:56 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85659&oldid=85656 * Sebosh * (+219) 20:37:04 \ruby eval's,m="",Hash.new(p=0);'+'+[-[<<[+[--->]-[<<<]]]>>>-]>-.---.>..>.<<<<-.<+.>>>>>.>.<<.<-.'.gsub(/./,?>=>'p+=1;',?<=>'p-=1;',?+=>'m[p]+=1;',?-=>'m[p]-=1;',?[=>'(',?]=>')until((m[p]&=255)==0);',?.=>'s< hello world 20:38:04 (based on https://gist.github.com/rdebath/3060affe89a739cf8624) 20:43:21 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85660&oldid=85647 * Sebosh * (+14) 20:45:02 "Please link only to existing article pages on this wiki. 20:46:12 nice one 20:47:57 [[Velik]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85661&oldid=84306 * Nakilon * (+72) added \ruby invocation example 20:49:24 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 20:51:31 age of consensus 20:51:50 how much is that? 21:00:34 -!- chrysanthematic has quit (Quit: chrysanthematic). 21:38:46 [[FIFOrth]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85662 * Sebosh * (+453) Created page with "==FIFOrth== FIFOrth is my first esolang and it is basically Forth but with a queue (FIFO) instead of a stack (LIFO). I am currently working on an interpreter, which I'll link..." 21:38:50 [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Zero player rodent * uploaded "[[File:Eeklogo.png]]": The logo for Eek! 21:39:26 [[FIFOrth]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85664&oldid=85662 * Sebosh * (+8) 21:40:39 [[Eek!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85665&oldid=85525 * Zero player rodent * (+4) 21:48:20 https://nitter.fdn.fr/MalwareJake/status/1411351168643706886#m is an excellent idea. 22:06:35 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 23:06:34 -!- Noisytoot has changed nick to N7t. 23:10:12 -!- N7t has changed nick to Noisytoot. 23:13:15 -!- Lykaina has joined. 23:13:41 hi 23:15:31 just curious: is there still an #esoteric on freenode? i have no intention of connecting there to find out, so i ask. 23:32:26 It's still there. 23:32:48 Not registered, though. 23:33:01 (And with no ops or topic set.) 23:34:24 And there's been a total of one "conversation" after I stopped the logs, and that was about where everyone went (here). 23:34:38 So I guess "no" would be a perfectly arguable answer too. 23:40:49 -!- Lykaina has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:58:22 [[FIFOrth]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85666&oldid=85664 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+31) Work in language 2021-07-04: 01:18:03 yeah, channels lazily spring into existence when someone joins them, so most channels exist by default 01:18:21 though you might also ask how many freenodes there are right now. the last time I heard about them, there were three. 02:09:14 [[Godencode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85667&oldid=85444 * Plasmath * (+52) fixed errors in code 02:47:23 -!- shikhin has changed nick to shikhtest. 02:47:34 -!- shikhtest has changed nick to shikhin. 03:43:17 nakilon: can you make the \ruby plugin not print the return value if it's nil, so that you can easily write statements where the output comes from print or similar? 03:44:13 \ruby "nakilon: otherwise we need stupid workarounds like this:"; print("hi"); class M; def inspect; ""; end; end; M.new 03:44:16 hi 03:49:19 [[IRC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85668&oldid=34530 * B jonas * (+140) disambig hatnote 04:01:12 -!- delta23 has joined. 04:12:04 nakilon: also can you put the more recent source code to the github repo? it doesn't seem to have this ruby plugin yet 04:22:30 \ruby system %q(>/proc/1/fd/5 echo 2yUJcT8bEz8w ) 04:22:34 sh: echo: I/O errorfalse 05:02:19 [[S3C (sssc)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85669&oldid=85574 * Spargle * (+37) /* The world's stupidest language. */ 06:51:50 -!- Guest65 has joined. 06:53:02 So are people still using irc here? Very Cool 06:55:21 no, none of the people here are using irc 06:56:02 heh 06:56:32 there are people here? 06:57:13 this channel has people in it. 06:58:08 prove it 06:58:35 So i guess most of them are offline? 07:03:25 I still use IRC, at least. So do other people, I think 07:06:08 -!- Guest65 has quit (Quit: Client closed). 07:09:44 yers 07:09:57 [[Python is Magic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85670&oldid=85163 * OllyTheFoldy * (+2255) /* Example codes */ 08:18:52 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 08:21:20 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 08:21:20 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 08:24:23 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:25:26 `" 08:25:29 1/1:1012) five fucks away from installing ubuntu \ 1123) i'm ten pages in to an ethernet-phy manual and i'm pretty sure the internet is impossible 08:56:48 -!- arseniiv has joined. 09:09:56 Is there any keyboards with Hollerith chording? It was a idea I had, disliking touch screens, T9 input, and pushing the numbers until the letters come up that you want; I think that Hollerith chording is better. 09:10:40 -!- riv has quit (Quit: Leaving). 09:14:17 -!- hanif has joined. 09:37:48 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 09:38:41 zzo38: I think there were card punch keyboards that had a few keys that added specific column punches to a character, as the way to access rare characters that aren't on their layout, but they're still ordinary QWERTY layout 09:43:52 for a full hollerith keyboard, I think you'd need something like an alphabetic layout (which exist) with nine letters per row (I don't know if that exists) like number row 0123456789 top row &ABCDEFGHI home row -JKLMNOPQR bottom row /STUVWXYZ and then a space bar, and there are a few modifiers around it like a symbol modifier that adds the 8 hole, and a lower case modifier that modifies the 12 11 10 09:43:58 holes in a weird way, and a meta modifier that adds the 9 hole 09:44:04 and of course some control buttons like one to start on a new card 09:47:07 but I think these don't exist, because by the time most card punches were made, people were already used to the QWERTY and similar layouts, and wanted to type fast, so they made card punches with those layouts 09:51:09 zzo38: wait, this chorded one with 12 keys for the 12 holes does exist: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/oldpunch.html#ekpunch 09:51:22 it was probably used for mostly punching numbers 10:01:48 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 10:07:03 b_jonas maybe not print the return if anything was printed? 10:07:42 b_jonas I didn't open source the ruby plugin yet because I'm not sure about its safety yet ) 10:12:01 nakilon: I think not printing nil would be more transparent and less fragile hidden magic, that's how irb and many other interactive interpreters work 10:12:11 found anything? ) what is that proc fd thing? 10:12:42 irb prints nil 10:13:11 nakilon: it's a socket and writing into it seemed to result in at least three apparently different results, including once a "thread error" that originates from your code, though it's possible that the fds of init aren't always numbered the same 10:13:27 oh yeah, irb does print nil 10:13:29 sorry 10:13:58 still, some other interactive interpreters work that way 10:14:06 yeah python probably 10:15:19 but then I don't particular like ruby, so I might be mostly using this to run other commands with eg. \ruby system %q(...) 10:15:33 and I won't say it's handy -- you don't clearly see if the command was ran at all; nil.to_s => "", nil.inspect => "nil" and IRB is inspecting the return value 10:16:07 I think I'll just hide the return value if stdout isn't empty 10:16:24 because usually you might not need both 10:16:24 -!- riv has joined. 10:16:34 whatever you prefer 10:16:47 we can probably work around any of that on our side 10:17:44 does this still react to [wiki:nonsense] ? 10:17:51 thread error 10:17:57 it does 10:18:35 that seems important enough that I should mention it on the wiki 10:18:40 `prefixes 10:18:42 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 10:18:42 ^prefixes 10:18:43 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ . 10:18:45 perlbot prefixes 10:18:45 b_jonas: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 10:19:59 \ruby "LWGlW5uLRaf6" 10:20:08 (deliberate space before, just checking) 10:20:12 \ruby "LWGlW5uLRaf6" 10:21:46 blah [wiki:underload] 10:21:48 https://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload 10:22:03 b_jonas -- the OWASP of IRC 10:22:22 [[Velik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85671&oldid=85661 * B jonas * (+168) [wiki: 10:24:01 no, I'm mostly just testing for bot loops and IRC-related exploits. I suspect the supposed container for this \ruby thing has holes, but I'd have to understand how the heck this https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/functions-framework-ruby library works to understand that, I probably won't bother much with that 10:25:52 ^help def 10:25:52 ^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool 10:26:28 ^def prefixes ul (fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \.)S 10:26:28 Defined. 10:26:32 ^prefixes 10:26:32 fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \. 10:31:26 though maybe now that I edit it, I should add > into them 10:31:40 ^def prefixes ul (fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \.)S 10:31:40 Defined. 10:31:44 ^prefixes 10:31:44 fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \. 10:31:47 perlbot prefixes 10:31:47 b_jonas: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 10:32:08 perlbot learn prefixes are fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 10:32:09 b_jonas: Stored prefixes as fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 10:32:09 b_jonas: i really like this situation and decided to put the registers into the ram... the other car is for the week/ day/ moment: why the emphasis on math starts to slowly fall away. like in fnord example on an o(1) operation, just like in qbf, you take the result modulo 10. 10:32:54 `/bin/cat /hackenv/bin/prefixes 10:32:55 ​\? prefixes 10:33:01 `? prefixes 10:33:03 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 10:33:27 `learn prefixes Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 10:33:27 b_jonas: is set!'s scope bound to the command after the current character to the topmost a 10:33:30 Learned 'prefixe': prefixes Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 10:33:34 `prefixes 10:33:36 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 10:33:37 `? prefixes 10:33:39 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 10:33:42 perlbot prefixes 10:33:43 b_jonas: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 10:33:44 ^prefixes 10:33:44 fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \. 10:34:13 perlbot compose [learn prefixes are Bot prefixes: [fact prefixes]] 10:34:13 b_jonas: Compose failed to find a plugin named: learn 10:34:18 perlbot compose [fact learn prefixes are Bot prefixes: [fact prefixes]] 10:34:18 b_jonas: Stored prefixes as Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 10:34:25 perlbot prefixes 10:34:25 b_jonas: Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 10:34:49 perlbot logs 10:34:49 b_jonas: #esolangs logs are available at https://logs.esolangs.org/ 10:35:51 the tunes log seems to be logging the channel on one of the freenodes 10:36:40 [[Velik]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85672&oldid=85671 * Nakilon * (+145) added [wiki:...] helper example 10:38:00 [[Velik]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85673&oldid=85672 * Nakilon * (-1) moved this snippet lower 10:38:14 didn't notice your addition 10:38:38 I should add velik to thelounge highlights 10:39:20 \ruby p 1; 2 10:39:29 1 10:39:41 \ruby 2 10:39:47 2 10:39:48 \ruby "velik" 10:39:52 "velik" 10:40:47 \ruby system %q(openssl rand -base64 18);(1..7).to_a 10:40:54 t8IFt0N+9ok4L6P8nX/jY4mC 10:41:00 \ruby system %q(openssl rand -vase64 18); (1..7).to_a 10:41:03 \reload remote 10:41:04 remote execution commands loaded: ["rasel", "morse", "demorse", "ruby"] 10:41:09 \help ruby 10:41:10 rand: Option unknown option -vase64[1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7] 10:41:15 \ruby ; does not print return value if stdout isn't empty; timelimit=10s 10:42:17 Ugh, do we have another bot? 10:42:29 int-e: for now, yes. 10:42:40 Ah, no, velik is known already. 10:42:49 int-e: it's an evalbot so it's possible that nakilon will give up running it quickly 10:42:55 So is perlbot (meaning, lambdabot knows about these two.) 10:43:14 int-e: perlbot is not new, it's just newly joined on #esolangs 10:43:48 perlbot is a more recent addition to lambdabot's ignore list 10:43:49 int-e: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [.is] [is] [iis] [@isa] [ic] [ik] [.iq] [iaq] [icke] [ioccc] 10:44:08 ugh, no colon required? 10:47:39 also perlbot is a heavily modified further developed version of buubot3, and buubot3 is a spiritual successor of buubot2, and buubot2 is rather old 10:48:11 int-e: fungot doesn't require a colon either, so I don't think this is worse 10:48:11 b_jonas: really? i'm fnord, iirc. :p at least i'll make a game like this 10:49:16 wait, I thought I exceeded four lines? 10:49:34 b_jonas: you get five, I think. 10:49:41 no I haven't 10:50:54 buubot3 used to be configured to also react to its built-in command names like fact and echo and help, but probably only in his home channel and private message 10:51:33 perlbot only does so in private message apparently 10:52:16 I actually prefer bots that react to their names to ones that only react to short prefixes. more discoverable. 10:52:19 like, you can't do 10:52:22 HackEso: help 10:52:30 you have to find out somewhere that you have to type `help or something 10:53:17 \ruby require 'securerandom'; SecureRandom.base64 10 10:53:23 "ZoDiL+qZ/fjKlg==" 10:53:25 -!- int-e has set topic: Welcome to the prehistoric cult of esoteric programming, promulgation, procurement, and propulsion! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://logs.esolangs.org/. 10:53:27 though in jevalbot I got the worst of both worlds: it reacts to its nick but also has such a weird syntax that it's still not discoverable 10:53:56 propulsion? 10:54:16 is it another reactionless drive thing again? 10:54:35 it's when a language really takes off 10:55:05 I'm also running out of words that start with "pro-". 10:55:17 I mean https://xkcd.com/1404/ and https://xkcd.com/955/ 10:56:21 Hmm, I don't remember either of those. 10:56:44 the xkcds or the hype around the original experiments? 10:57:10 both, really 10:57:52 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light_neutrino_anomaly was the neutrino one 10:58:13 https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1404:_Quantum_Vacuum_Virtual_Plasma probalby has links for the more recent one 10:58:45 hmm, is there an xkcd for the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_anomaly ? 10:59:39 although admittedly the Pioneer anomaly *predates* xkcd 10:59:44 wow, that's a rare thing to say 11:00:58 but of course it is referenced in xkcds: 502 title text, 1547, 1621 11:02:13 hmm no, 1621 is apparently about another anomaly of spacecraft trajectories, fun 11:04:09 \ruby `openssl rand -base64 18` 11:04:13 "ZJAY1xFL9eA5WZf8xHkmfbaP\n" 11:04:31 \ruby puts `openssl rand -base64 18` 11:04:33 nbMuD/e+zrL7MD8YfCVRaYlm 11:09:34 nakilon: is there a way to upload or download data to velik faster than tunneling through the \ruby command and its responses? 11:09:45 possibly one outside of IRC 11:10:13 HackEso and perlbot have web interfaces for this, and HackEso also has the !fetch builtin command 11:10:47 nope, the \ remote executors are all temporary linux machines that start and die immediately 11:11:03 no way, I tested that it can store persistent stuff already 11:11:30 and since I'm running out of money I moved the IRC bot itself to a smaller machine so other bots I run there can make it slower to react on the command too 11:11:41 \ruby system %q(>/tmp/KNg_VCwx0Mf6 echo XzC-o_acVjLC) 11:11:46 true 11:11:55 \ruby system %q(cat /tmp/KNg_VCwx0Mf6) 11:11:58 XzC-o_acVjLC 11:12:11 the file system is persistent 11:12:23 maybe it can download, idk 11:12:24 it might not be guaranteed to presist forever 11:13:05 I'm just wondering, I'm not saying that you have to add a faster method, I just want to know before I start to tunnel larger amounts of data over IRC 11:13:17 \ruby system %q(curl http://whatismyip.akamai.com/) 11:13:21 % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current107.178.231.229 11:14:01 int-e: there's one of those that work without crazy heavy browser script stuff? wow, good to know 11:14:25 indeed 11:15:13 "Depending on the volume of requests, as well as the number of existing function instances, Cloud Functions may assign a request to an existing instance or create a new one. Each instance of a function handles only one concurrent request at a time. " 11:16:05 nakilon: right, so it's just opportunistically persistent. that makes the tunneling even worse since I may have to resend some data 11:16:52 yeah, if you can't fit it in one command 11:17:36 yeah. I'm not going to golf everything down to one IRC line. 11:18:15 -!- delta23 has joined. 11:18:16 maybe I should isolate the network at all for security purpose but I'm lazy to do it yet 11:18:33 wait, there's network access? 11:18:36 that's so abusable 11:18:45 I'll have to upload a botnet then 11:19:10 it requires me to configure the project in some way that operates such terms as "business" and stuff while legally I can't use it like I use it now according to tax services in Russia 11:19:17 oh, that also means I can just upload or download larger data through network 11:19:31 it just doesn't spend too much money so tax services don't give a damn about me yet 11:19:57 I might try that later 11:20:10 though the 10 second time limit makes it a bit inconvenient 11:20:17 b_jonas your botnet will work only 10 seconds minus something 11:20:20 ye 11:20:37 nakilon: that just means I have to send a new command every 10 seconds, but sure 11:20:51 nakilon: and it has network access, so it might be able to send commands to itself 11:21:04 I doubt 11:21:13 though it's hard to connect to IRC in 10 seconds 11:21:13 I mean it definitely can't spin itself 11:21:42 at least to libera, which waits for a timeout on identd, unless I can run an identd in the command 11:21:52 I guess libera will ban it 11:21:59 that too 11:23:37 btw, how to quickly get money other than selling nudes and kidneys? ..D 11:24:40 hm https://cs.stackexchange.com/q/141979 , basically asks if halt(`:;s/pattern/replacement/;t`) where both pattern and replacement are [ab]* is decidable or not 11:24:45 I wish I was a professional in some more demanded job, like cutting grass 11:26:14 nakilon: catch a pokemon, grind its level up, fight every pokemon trainer you meet, they give you money as you win 11:26:29 _Oo 11:26:31 you may have to spend a smaller part of the money on items, but the rest will be profit 11:26:42 or maybe some gold duplication glitch 11:27:30 try to drop your money, wait, pick up money and quickly close the game, your inventory is saved more frequently than the rest of the world so you often get a copy of your money in your inventory and one copy still dropped; 11:27:58 does it work IRL? 11:31:40 in old versions, there was also a different way to duplicate gold, it involved something with letting a monster steal your gold then petrifying them, and somehow for historical reasons the statue stored the amount of gold both as gold and as an object, and you could get both. if you want lots of money, you have to be careful not to try to get more than 2**31 gold, though if you do overflow, the antigold 11:31:46 has particularly useful properties, most importantly having a large negtive weight and thus making your effective carrying capacity almost infinite 11:32:05 it's one of the very few ways to lift an object that's heavier than 1000 11:36:02 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:37:29 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 11:40:44 nakilon: I hope it at least isn't allowed to connect to outbound smtp, because someone attempting to send mail (even if it fails) is the quickest way to get people angry at your service 11:41:31 Reminds me of my favorite bug in a MUD... so, there's money. When you try to pick up more money than you can carry, it'll produce as change the money that you couldn't carry. Now imagine you're overloaded due to another bug... it would produce change corresponding to the amount by which you were overloaded, and give you a negative amount of money, which it conveniently clamped at 0. 11:43:44 int-e: is there one of these no-javascript whatismyip services that work for ipv6? 11:44:33 int-e: um... I don't understand that money thing, your statements are a bit unclear 11:44:46 also, a MUD with weight limit and money that has a weight? weird 11:47:06 is it weird? 11:47:09 * int-e shrugs 11:47:29 no, I probably just played too few MUDs 11:47:37 so I find everything weird 11:47:42 it had banks, so you didn't have to carry all your riches around at all times 11:48:36 int-e: let me guess. if you die, you lose half or all your cash but keep the money in the bank, so you have to find an ATM to deposit and withdraw money often as insurance, and the ATM's interface is very annoying 11:49:23 Normal scenario: You have 1kg capacity left to carry. You pick up 2kg of coins. So that would put you 1kg over the limit. So the code would produce change making up 1kg of coins and leave that in the room. 11:49:54 Bug scenario: You're 1kg over capacity. You pick up 2kg of coins. So the code produced 3kg coins of change and left that in the room 11:50:08 while the -1kg of coins that you'd get in this exchange went poof. 11:51:05 b_jonas: `dig -6 +short myip.opendns.com @resolver1.opendns.com aaaa` works for me. 11:51:18 * int-e is actually simplifying because the real combination of bugs was way too convoluted. 12:02:08 fizzie: wow, one with a name server interface, that's interesting 12:02:58 int-e: ah I see. but it doesn't try to produce different denominations of coins, like silver coins if you can't pick up a whole gold coin or something 12:04:13 -!- Trieste has joined. 12:04:23 yeah, that wouldn't even work with a weight limit, because lower denominations are heavier 12:04:30 or at least relatively heavier 12:04:35 usually 12:05:24 b_jonas: right, it would do this separately for each denomination, actually 12:06:57 now I wonder if there's a currency that has two denominations such that a larger denomination coin or banknote is realtively heavier (in proportion to its nominal value) than a smaller one 12:08:56 ah, there is 12:09:28 the pre-1990 1 HUF aluminium coin was much lighter than the thick and large 2 HUF that's made of normal metals 12:11:08 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coins_of_the_Hungarian_forint#People's_Republic_issues_(1949-1989) says the pre-1990 aluminium 1 HUF coin weighs 1.4 g and the pre-1990 2 HUF coin weighs 5.0 g 12:11:19 ah no 12:11:23 only 4.44 g 12:11:40 apparently 5.0 g is the figure of some older coin of 2 HUF denomination 12:11:47 but still it's an example for what I was looking for 12:14:35 though perhaps a heavy coin compared to a lighter banknote might also be an example 12:14:52 or, for that matter, two different coins with the same denomination is sort of a stupid example 12:17:19 The pre-Euro Finnish markka *almost* had that, but not quite: the variant of the 50p coin introduced in 1990 weighed 3.3g, while the 1 FIM coin that stayed current up to 1993 was 6.1g, which is just slightly too light to count. 12:18:37 (They were kind of in the process of making them lighter, but staggered the introduction of new coins.) 12:22:22 Oh, there's an actual example too: between 1977-1982 or so, the new (aluminium) 5p coin was just 0.8g, while the older (aluminium-bronze) 10p coin was a whole 3g. 12:27:16 I think back when the pre-1990 10 and 20 HUF banknotes still existed, even though they were rare because of the pre-1990 10 and 20 HUF coins, the 10 HUF banknote was lighter than the 20 HUF coin 12:28:58 I mean they were both used as money, obviously copies still exist in collections 12:32:57 one thing the MNB managed to do correctly so far is that old forint coins and banknotes can be exchanged in post offices for face value for quite a long time after they're removed from circulation 12:33:20 soviet 1 kopeika was weighting exaclty 1 gramm 12:33:27 same for 2, 3 and 5 12:34:10 -!- hanif has joined. 12:34:26 I think I thought that was the normal way how you replace coins and banknotes, and later I learned that a few years ago when the swedish krona coins and notes got replaced, you could exchange them for only a very short time; I also know that you can't exchange finnish marka anymore 12:34:56 nakilon: "same" as in they weigh exactly 1 gramm, or they weigh exactly 1 gramm per kopek of face value? 12:35:06 per 12:35:40 are they made of ordinary metals? 12:35:52 https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91S7NIA1fhL._SS400_.jpg 12:36:45 that metal color was red, probably had some copper in it, the higher coins were not 12:37:24 these photos show the color better: https://www.amazon.com/USSR-Coins/s?k=USSR+Coins 12:37:41 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_ruble#Coins_3 12:38:31 (and yes, ordinary metals) 12:38:49 1 Ruble was cool, the largest and the heaviest coin, but was rare 12:39:44 wikipedia page table fucks up colors 12:43:03 then when Rubles were changed to Grivnyas the 2 kop. coin was of pure aluminium for who knows why for several years 12:43:35 it didn't shine and you could draw dark lines with it like with a pencil, it was awful 12:47:06 nakilon: it's because aluminium became cheap because of industry developments, and it's light so suitable as cash back when people payed more with cash than now because bank cards were rare or nonexistent, while ordinary coin metals like copper/nickel/zinc/tin/manganese/iron didn't become cheaper 12:47:32 in the past, aluminum would have been too expensive for cheap coins 12:47:33 the proportial weight was cool in the way that you could just mix all the 1 2 3 and 5 and the total weight in grams would be equal to its price 12:49:32 I won't call aluminium cheap -- in 90s all the aluminium on streets was stolen and sold, all the rods, all the wires even 12:49:55 nakilon: yes, but the same applies to copper 12:50:14 iron is the only metal cheap enough to avoid that 12:50:24 if some alcoholic gets into your garden he steals all the aluminium wires that were commonly used to wire plants to vertical rods 12:50:36 yes 12:51:25 and even iron can be stolen if there's a large amount together, which happened with railway transformers and cables and railway rails, no matter that it often shocks the thieves 12:52:03 transformers had copper 12:52:07 a lot of bronze statues got stolen 12:52:14 nakilon: yeah, that might the reason 12:52:29 and rails might be worth more than their metal 12:52:52 because they're very standardized so easy to reuse and hard to trace 12:53:00 there is a diggers' hobby to find WW2 tanks and ammunition 12:53:15 the whole tank sells well as an iron 12:53:23 but usually it's only tracks 12:53:33 broken tracks that were abandoned 12:55:09 as for that, you know how people say that cash is untracable? I wonder how long it will stay that way. a lot of cash is handled in vending machines and banks who already inspect all the banknotes in interesting electronic ways to catch counterfeats and remove damaged or old banknotes from circulation. I think from a technical point it would be easy for banks and vending machines to read the unique 12:55:15 serial number from each banknote, so it's only a legal and political question for when banks start to do that for most banknote cash transactions and collect the data to a shared serial database. 12:55:53 and technologically it even gets easier, because once banks do that, new banknotes can be printed with serial numbers in a format that's easier for machines to read, and then more vending machines can read them 12:56:02 not sure about rails -- you can't just meld them together in the way no one would notice -- they are numbered and periodically checked with ultrasound 12:56:40 cash never was untraceable, they are all numbered 12:56:43 I don't really understand the political side, but I think it would be easy to introduce by scope creep: first say that it's supposedly only against things that everyone hates: counterfeits and money laundering. 12:57:14 the trace is just lost when you use cash without a cash register 12:57:39 like... enter some shop and ask them for exchange 12:57:40 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 12:58:19 then extend to catch money used for services that are clearly illegal and that I won't name here, then to services that can technically be done legally but most payment providers will ban you for it, then to things that ebay bans, then to trace things that youtube demonetizes you for, then to catch large scale tax evasion in construction industry, then finally to catch small scale tax evasion for 12:58:25 ordinary businesses and individuals. 12:58:39 oh I mean not just cash register but ATMs 12:58:42 nakilon: yes, but you don't need to trace every transaction perfectly, you just need to trace enough of it until it becomes hard to use 12:58:47 cash registers don't scan numbers 12:58:58 yes, ATMs too, not just banks and vending machines 12:59:46 banks are already pushing for people to use these fancy new ATMs where you can insert banknotes and it scans them without manual intervention and pays the money on your bank account, so you can use ATMs in both directions 12:59:55 all this applies to banknotes only, not coins, but that's not a problem 13:01:01 so I think if such large scale tracing isn't done yet, it will be in two decades 13:01:14 and cash will no longer count as untracable 13:01:40 when I tell someone about the data mining and stuff and the persons laughs "no one stole anything from me, ahaha, you are paranoid, I am smart, ahaha" -- I wish I could someone telepathically make that person understand the amount of stupidity I see in them 13:02:21 that said many of the people who mention this usually contrast it with payment methods from bank cards and bank accounts, and cryptocurrency, so they do have a valid point that currently cash is less tracable than other common payment methods 13:02:21 maybe the language needs some words for illiteracy measurement 13:02:55 the virus easily made people switch to card, even me 13:04:29 but they also love to demonstrate in stores: "hey people around me, look! I pay with phone! look I pay with watches!" -- not even understanding that it's absolutely opposite from being handy, and they spend much more time paying in this way than it was using cash because the device battery dies or it's just lagging, etc. 13:07:50 it's important to understand that they don't believe in things not just because they didn't get any true evidence of stuff but purely because of stubbornness because in fact no evidence in the world would change their minds, even if Zukerberg would say "dudes, I was stealing, I was fooling", they would say "we don't give a shit" just because 13:07:50 admitting that they were always wrong would be too butthurting 13:08:14 I just feel to much disgust to this phenomenon 13:08:51 the "pay with phone" thing I don't understand. I carry with me three important items: a wallet of money, a mobile phone, and my home keys. If a pickpocket steals them from me, I'd rather they not steal two at the same time, because I can use the others to ask for help, eg. I can use phone to call my relatives who have a spare key or use money for the same, if money is stolen I go home with keys and grab 13:08:57 spare money or card, so I keep the three separately. paying with phone seems like you put your bank card and your phone in the same place, ready to be stolen together. 13:09:45 (well, in reality it's five important items that I should keep separately, but I simply can't figure out how to keep five things separately and easy to reach and hard to pickpocket, so they just go in four locations) 13:10:02 I realised that people are fools not because they were not told the truth but purely because it's their level of illiteracy and arrogance when even the "I worked for Facebook" argument was absolutely nothing for them 13:10:38 yeah I switched to topic, sorry 13:10:59 the topic of tracking the people is just what annoys me 13:11:08 *fact of 13:12:21 I really wish I could solve this, but there seems to be no easy solution. if I keep anything really important in my backpack, I'm afraid it gets stolen. if I keep anything in my shirt or coat, I'll misplace it. that leaves my jeans and a small belt loop bag. jean back pockets are limited: most things would get damaged and/or would be inconvenient to sit on, so I only store one of the five things there. 13:12:27 that leaves a small bag and two front pockets for four items. 13:12:46 perhaps I should try to get a second belt loop bag. I have worn such for a compact camera occasionally. 13:13:02 when they say "no one stole from me anything" they are smiling like if the demonstrating own illiteracy was something to be proud of 13:13:53 and they don't even care if there is a one person like you who is disgusted because all other people around that they are carefully filtering believe that everything is ok 13:14:45 what about inside pockets? 13:16:31 nakilon: inside pockets are in the jacket, which I can replace or not wear some day and won't think of moving items from it 13:16:58 I (usually) don't forget moving items when switching jeans 13:17:44 there are freaks who implant credit cards under their skin 13:18:11 there should be anonymous-friendly yet useful implants 13:18:21 I should probably consider storing my keys in my backpack, and storing IDs in my right jean pocket where I normally have the keys 13:18:34 or was it a guy who implanted a metro ticket 13:21:04 in the apartments where I live people are taught to use the same device to open their house doors and enter the metro 13:22:18 while the metro (subway, whatever) was ALWAYS known to be stealing the data -- the WiFi ALWAYS had the broken certificates and mobile devices tell you that ut NO ONE cares and millions of people use the wifi every day 13:23:26 even after articles where dudes have sniffed the wifi traffic to see that there are data flying around that tracks every wifi user with such attributes like phone number, estimated age, estimated salary, estimated home and job locations, education level, etc. 13:25:00 and to see that they are tracking this it wasn't even needed to hack their databases -- it's only what was leaking to the wifi lan; the metro tracks every wifi user about where he lives, works, studies, what's his family status, etc. -- it was all discovered and no one still cares 13:26:23 people are still using the Mosgortrans Wifi that is in metro and buses, not caring at all when the device says "dude the certificates are invalid", and so the Mosgortrans that is already exposed several times to track the data clearly can read all the traffic but no one cares 13:28:48 so now this company is partnering with companies who build new apartments -- they are now offering the way to pay for metro with the keys, so no metro doesn't need to estimate your location -- they have your personal data directly, knowing which flat you own, your full identity 13:31:48 this is a sample sniffed packed https://dpaste.org/YBED/slim 13:31:59 *packet 13:32:41 here is another view https://tproger.ru/s3/uploads/2018/04/hash.jpg 13:33:08 they even track if you are married 13:37:47 the articles even explain that there are standard hacking utilities that you can use in the way that you just stalk the person from one wagon to another until you identify his MAC or you can make it faster by filtering by model/laptop model that is also tracked 13:38:32 when you identify the person the metro wifi gives you this person's phone number and all this datamined data 13:38:46 metro/bus 13:42:21 did anyone make any conclusions when these articles were published on the most popular IT-related website of the country that everyone knows? nope. people are absolutely okay with that come company tracks everything about them -- they just say "so what? how can they use it against me? they can't take money from my pocket, ahaha" and not even the 13:42:21 fact that they read all their traffic, i.e. email, etc., makes any sense to them 14:08:18 -!- hanif has joined. 14:12:19 -!- imode has joined. 14:31:20 -!- immibis has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:31:55 -!- immibis has joined. 14:50:40 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 14:59:23 -!- arseniiv has joined. 15:11:51 [[BIT]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85674&oldid=77824 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+85) Add implementation from website, fix cats 15:14:42 -!- Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 15:23:54 -!- Trieste_ has joined. 15:24:32 -!- Trieste has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 15:30:09 should I rename "Esolang categories intersector" into "Esolang cats intersector" 15:33:44 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 15:37:40 -!- oerjan has joined. 15:42:14 [[S3C (sssc)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85675&oldid=85669 * Spargle * (+0) /* Links: */ 15:44:36 [[Common-S3C]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85676&oldid=85573 * Spargle * (+0) /* Links: */ 15:51:03 [[Common-S3C]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85677&oldid=85676 * Spargle * (+0) /* Links: */ 15:51:50 [[S3C (sssc)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85678&oldid=85675 * Spargle * (+0) /* Links: */ 15:52:05 >hi 15:52:10 ^prefixes 15:52:10 fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \. 15:52:19 `? prefixes 15:52:21 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 15:52:34 perlbot prefixes 15:52:35 oerjan: Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 15:54:22 *sigh* 15:54:28 `? prefixe 15:54:30 prefixes Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 15:54:38 `forget prefixe 15:54:40 Forget what? 15:57:53 -!- arseniiv has joined. 15:58:37 `le/rn prefixes//Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 15:58:37 oerjan: but bsmnt_bot isn't throttled, but not enough to put pics with an alpha value, there's problems with every language is interpreted 15:58:41 Relearned 'prefixes': Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 15:59:30 ^def prefixes ul (fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \.)S 15:59:30 Defined. 15:59:40 -!- Noisytoot has joined. 15:59:40 ^prefixes 15:59:40 fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \. 15:59:46 `prefixes 15:59:48 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 16:00:46 ^def prefixes ul (Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \.)S 16:00:46 Defined. 16:00:52 ^prefixes 16:00:52 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \. 16:01:07 perlbot prefixes 16:01:07 oerjan: Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or >, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 16:04:50 perlbot learn prefixes are Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 16:04:50 oerjan: ratty is the name ' nine inch nails crowd?' as ' sine' should pronounce ' char'...? 16:04:51 oerjan: Stored prefixes as Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 16:05:08 perlbot prefixes 16:05:08 oerjan: Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 16:05:20 \.help 16:05:37 oh wait 16:05:41 *sigh* 16:05:44 .help 16:06:07 * FireFly can't tell if it's supposed to be an escaped dot or verbatim backslash dot 16:06:12 perlbot prefixes 16:06:12 oerjan: Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 16:06:17 ^prefixes 16:06:17 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [, bfbot =, velik \. 16:06:22 `prefixes 16:06:25 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 16:07:29 argh 16:08:38 ^def prefixes ul (Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \.)S 16:08:38 Defined. 16:08:50 ok now i hope they are identical. 16:10:35 ^prefixes 16:10:35 Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ? or > , thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =, velik \. 16:12:58 It sure is a good thing we've got balanced parentheses in prefixes. 16:13:52 FireFly: it's a backslash, the dot ends the sentence 16:13:56 \help 16:13:56 available commands: ["rasel", "morse", "demorse", "ruby"]; usage help: \help 16:14:38 oerjan: oh, it was under prefixes, not prefixe? sorry 16:15:19 oerjan: oh, it was under prefixes, not prefixe? sorry 16:15:23 `? rules of wisdom 16:15:25 unless essential for the entry‘s humor, \ they should: be understandable without the lookup key, be single spaced and end in a newline with no space before that, and use proper capitalization and punctuation 16:16:04 b_jonas: ...oh 16:16:36 \ruby system %q(ls /tmp; df); # FireFly: this is the latest command, an evaluator 16:16:49 thread error 16:17:21 \ruby system %q(ls /tmp; df); # FireFly: this is the latest command, an evaluator 16:17:31 thread error 16:17:35 * FireFly pets velik 16:17:40 it's okay 16:20:00 fizzie: i lobbied for jconn to get that prefix for that precise reason 16:20:32 before that i used bf. it was painful. 16:20:53 -!- FreeFull has joined. 16:38:48 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 16:38:50 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * BurningApparatus * New user account 16:51:00 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 16:52:42 -!- mnrmnaugh has quit (Quit: Leaving). 17:02:43 [[A:;]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85679&oldid=63932 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+203) re-add fizzbuzz example that was accidentally deleted 17:03:30 [[A:;]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85680&oldid=85679 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+4) make the fizzbuzz section header a link like the others 17:14:47 -!- Sgeo has joined. 17:39:35 [[Talk:Pointless]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85681&oldid=63537 * Traveller * (+461) Reflection on a property formerly held to be true. 17:41:38 b_jonas: Yes, but were there any such keyboards used for purposes other than punching holes in cards? (When you have constrainted space and not many keys, it might be helpful) 17:42:03 [[Pointless]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85682&oldid=79210 * Traveller * (+66) 17:42:35 [[Pointless]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85683&oldid=85682 * Traveller * (+1) 17:46:58 (Just, I don't really like the existing methods of text entry on telephone keypads, and I think that Hollerith chording would be better way of entering text on numeric keypads. If you have a full keyboard that is better, but that won't work when you do not have a full keyboard) 17:51:25 Hollerith chording? 17:52:28 [[Talk:Pointless]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85684&oldid=85681 * Traveller * (+230) 17:53:51 riv: Meaning a numeric keypad (and another key for a space); if you push a number by itself then it makes a number, but if you push in combination with - & or other numbers then you can make alphabets/punctuations. 17:54:08 how does it work? 17:56:34 riv: The possible combinations are shown in the picture: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Blue-punch-card-front-horiz.png So, pushing 0 and 2 together makes "T", and pushing & and 1 together makes "A". 17:57:25 [[Pointless]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85685&oldid=85683 * Traveller * (+117) 17:58:28 I see 17:58:39 this would take a long time to learn to use 17:58:46 and could be bad fpr fingers 18:01:06 I dislike the more common methods though (such as pushing the numbers until it comes up the letters that you want and waiting for delays or explicitly skipping) 18:01:29 yeah 18:06:12 I also dislike touch screen 18:33:32 -!- oerjan has joined. 19:15:14 cal 7 1776 19:15:18 oops 19:15:47 so wrong window :P 19:16:39 * oerjan is playing with doomsdays and was checking if he got it right 19:39:36 -!- riv has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:05:17 [[S3C (sssc)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85686&oldid=85678 * Spargle * (-84) /* Links: */ 20:05:59 [[Common-S3C]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85687&oldid=85677 * Spargle * (-84) /* Links: */ 20:06:52 [[Common-S3C]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85688&oldid=85687 * Spargle * (-4) /* The world's stupidest language. */ 20:17:07 -!- shikhin has quit (Quit: brb). 20:23:30 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 20:36:31 -!- riv has joined. 20:47:30 [[S3C (sssc)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85689&oldid=85686 * Spargle * (-4) /* The world's stupidest language. */ 21:29:32 https://i.postimg.cc/q4nqtWRt/s-l1600.jpg zzo38 21:49:55 looks like scrambled rubik's cude 21:49:57 *b 21:54:42 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Skelozard * New user account 21:58:16 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85690&oldid=85659 * Skelozard * (+146) /* Introductions */ 21:58:21 [[Talk:PokBattle]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85691 * Skelozard * (+205) Created page with "I've created a [https://github.com/Educorreia932/PokeBattle Python interpreter] for PokBattle. I tried to stay as close as possible to the original specification and it has..." 22:19:12 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:32:04 -!- b_jonas has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:01:39 -!- wib_jonas has joined. 23:02:26 oh great. ISP is doing weird things again. for like 20 minutes the whole internet connection was down. now it's mostly down, but a few ranges of hosts like this webchat are reachable. 23:07:12 perlbot eval "or at least I think it's reachable,"; "pong" 23:07:14 wib_jonas: pong 🇺🇸 23:12:56 direct IRC connections and most other hosts still don't work 23:23:26 -!- FreeFull has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:26:23 -!- ais523 has joined. 23:40:28 -!- b_jonas has joined. 23:40:58 well I think now it's working, after power cycling the cable modem router the second time 23:41:55 -!- wib_jonas has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 2021-07-05: 00:20:20 -!- ais523 has quit (Quit: quit). 00:26:49 [[S3C (sssc)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85692&oldid=85689 * Spargle * (+12) /* Version 3.0 now updates itself! */ 00:29:21 [[S3C (sssc)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85693&oldid=85692 * Spargle * (+120) /* Syntax: */ 00:29:56 [[Common-S3C]] 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Galactic Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha 12:34:01 -!- hanif has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:34:07 -!- hanif_ has joined. 12:34:08 Galactic Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 12:35:06 -!- Thelie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:37:12 -!- Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 12:45:21 -!- arseniiv has joined. 12:59:04 [[Foobar and Foobaz and Barbaz, oh my!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85714&oldid=53684 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (-4) use they instead of he/she 13:17:05 -!- xkapaste` has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:33:44 I've no idea how this works https://github.com/mxgmn/WaveFunctionCollapse 13:33:55 but I made an own wheel 13:35:11 https://imgur.com/a/Z0NHj9I 13:35:26 how gonna try on larger input and more colors 13:36:21 oh and it started with black top left pixel, let's see what if I start with white... 13:36:54 wow https://i.imgur.com/cJGNKkz.png 13:38:05 it is a bit nondetirmitistic, so https://i.imgur.com/3zc7w2q.png 13:38:49 https://i.imgur.com/wge0yBn.png 13:41:16 https://i.imgur.com/t2kcPYb.png 13:56:43 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Quit: hendursa1). 13:57:14 -!- hendursaga has joined. 14:10:11 nakilon: I reckon it mostly goes TL→DR? looks like that 14:10:46 too long didn't read? )) 14:11:10 yes I start in the top left corner and then it decides how to grow until filled 14:13:11 https://i.imgur.com/xpYNbHV.png ; then I realised by hsv color distance formula is wrong because it's for hsl, rewriting right now 14:13:11 arseniiv: yes, "too long" causes "didn't read" 14:14:06 huh, what am I looking at? 14:21:09 I meant top-left down-right but the usual meaning is appropritate too :D 14:21:56 arseniiv: "bottom right" is more common, I think 14:22:34 int-e: ah, that’s the issue indeed 14:22:37 There are two pairs: up,down and top,bottom 14:22:49 Mixing them is unusual. 14:23:31 Except in top-down and bottom-up software design... because up/down are directions and top/bottom are places to start. 14:24:26 English is downright crazy though so this a mere guideline. 14:26:08 fwiw, I was curious about the rules that governed those images (some sort of probabilistic CA maybe?) 14:26:29 [[User:Skelozard]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85715 * Skelozard * (+63) Created page with "Hi, I'm Skelozard and I've made an interpreter for PokBattle." 14:27:04 I suppose there's context further up, but I'm too lazy to figure out where to look. 14:27:32 https://i.imgur.com/NTxSOsQ.png ; https://i.imgur.com/dgcw7pL.png 14:29:14 this one was probably drawn deterministically, at least it drew the same three times in a raw 14:29:21 I wish I knew how to make a gif 14:29:33 *row 14:56:59 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:57:32 Except in top-down and bottom-up software design... because up/down are directions and top/bottom are places to start. => that’s my understanding too 15:00:31 `? tldr 15:00:34 tldr? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:00:40 `? tl;dr 15:00:42 tl;dr? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 15:01:44 `learn tldr means (from) top left (to) down right, signifying that you've read a document all the way through. 15:01:47 Learned 'tldr': tldr means (from) top left (to) down right, signifying that you've read a document all the way through. 15:01:49 . o O ( Too long; didn't... Cat! ) 15:03:06 yay https://i.imgur.com/XJ7XdO7.mp4 15:04:39 `? drone 15:04:41 Drones are tools used to perform certain criminal actions that were not possible in ancient times. 15:05:51 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85716&oldid=85713 * PixelatedStarfish * (-23) 15:06:18 I can run your image input, 4x4 RGB or HSV in format: [[123, 123, 123], ...], [..], [...], [...]] 15:09:14 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85717&oldid=85716 * PixelatedStarfish * (+11) /* A note on the Goblins Operation */ 15:10:14 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85718&oldid=85717 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* Goblins Operation Example */ 15:11:20 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85719&oldid=85718 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* Goblins Operation Example */ 15:15:54 meh, it works for these small abstract things but not for more flat images like what I wanted to feed it initially https://i.imgur.com/ujSsTiF.png 15:16:00 gotta change something 15:17:07 oh no... https://blog.davetcode.co.uk/post/21st-century-emulator/ 15:18:29 -!- Thelie has joined. 15:28:29 he could use built-in webrick instead of pulling it the sinatra gem 15:29:36 would be several times faster 15:29:55 whatever this insanity is, lol 15:33:31 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85720&oldid=85719 * PixelatedStarfish * (+12) /* Pointer operations */ 15:34:53 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85721&oldid=85720 * PixelatedStarfish * (+46) /* Pointer operations */ 15:35:25 -!- joast has joined. 15:52:46 -!- hanif_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 15:58:45 -!- riv has joined. 16:02:01 -!- Koen_ has joined. 16:03:12 ok it still does not work and I broke it ..( https://i.imgur.com/cX7tIHz.mp4 16:12:52 -!- Thelie has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:27:07 also, re previous question of no javascript "what is my IP address", http://ip6.me/ seems to work 16:36:43 https://i.imgur.com/1Ek3KlA.mp4 16:37:22 [[User:Qwertyu63]] 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https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85749&oldid=85660 * CarterNotSteve * (+11) /* S */ 20:36:29 [[Slot]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85750 * CarterNotSteve * (+62) Created page with "/*Slot*/ Slot is an esolang created by User [[CarterNotSteve]]" 20:36:44 [[Slot]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85751&oldid=85750 * CarterNotSteve * (-9) 20:39:14 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85752&oldid=85747 * PixelatedStarfish * (-46) /* Pointer operations */ 20:40:42 [[Slot]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85753&oldid=85751 * CarterNotSteve * (+736) 20:43:25 [[RHOVL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85754 * S1(210) * (+4007) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=RHOVL |paradigms=Imperative |author=[[User:S1(210)]] |year=[[:Category:2021|2021]] |class=[[:Category:Turing_complete|Turing complete]] |files=<..." 20:44:03 [[Slot]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85755&oldid=85753 * CarterNotSteve * (-332) 20:59:46 [[RHOVL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85756&oldid=85754 * S1(210) * (+492) /* Specification */ 21:02:30 [[RHOVL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85757&oldid=85756 * S1(210) * (+254) /* Operations */ 21:03:12 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 21:08:57 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85758&oldid=85752 * PixelatedStarfish * (+96) 21:13:18 [[RHOVL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85759&oldid=85757 * S1(210) * (+670) /* Operations */ 21:13:59 [[RHOVL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85760&oldid=85759 * S1(210) * (-32) /* Operations */ 21:14:56 [[Andrew Phillips]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85761&oldid=84179 * S1(210) * (+12) 21:16:30 [[User:S1(210)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85762&oldid=84857 * S1(210) * (+89) 21:19:19 -!- Trieste has joined. 21:27:21 -!- immibis has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 21:29:14 -!- immibis has joined. 21:41:17 -!- delta23 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:55:51 -!- oerjan has quit 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All numerics are signed,..." 23:12:34 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85766&oldid=85765 * Aldous zodiac * (+5045) 23:17:51 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85767&oldid=85764 * PixelatedStarfish * (+33) /* The Goblins Operation */ 23:18:20 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85768&oldid=85767 * PixelatedStarfish * (-3) /* The Goblins Operation */ 23:36:51 [[Slot]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85769&oldid=85755 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+59) Cats, fix userlink, stubwip 23:37:37 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85770&oldid=85766 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+2) a 23:37:47 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85771&oldid=85770 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+2) b 23:38:16 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85772&oldid=85771 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-2) No good 2021-07-06: 00:16:53 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:19:12 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 01:11:40 -!- dbohdan has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.2+deb3 - https://znc.in). 01:11:52 -!- dbohdan has joined. 02:10:52 did another approach but it's much slower ( https://i.imgur.com/uMvEce9.png 03:08:36 -!- aquijoule_ has joined. 03:10:52 -!- richbridger has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:12:36 [[Py256]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85773&oldid=84554 * Makonede * (+16) 03:43:16 -!- monoxane has quit (Quit: estoy fuera). 03:43:48 -!- monoxane has joined. 03:58:57 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85774&oldid=85748 * BurningApparatus * (+201) /* Introductions */ 05:01:04 https://i.imgur.com/vqjmZFl.mp4 05:35:08 -!- monoxane has quit (Quit: estoy fuera). 05:35:40 -!- monoxane has joined. 06:36:55 https://i.imgur.com/7L3ELnH.mp4 07:16:17 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:00:51 -!- riv has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:06:34 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 08:09:47 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:21:47 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 08:22:09 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:24:26 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 08:44:49 Hmm, is the infinite variant of Lagrange's group theory theorem equivalent to the axiom of choice? 08:46:35 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Flyingmadpakke * New user account 08:49:38 It feels like it. It seems plausible that Lagrange's theorem requires LEM (which implies AOC) just to choose equivalence classes and take subgroups, but I'm not sure. The other direction seems easy enough. 09:09:15 "LEM (which implies AOC)"... no 09:10:52 Yeah, AOC => LEM but not the other way around, I'm pretty sure 09:15:02 I'm trying to remember how AOC implies LEM. Ah, you can let A = {0 | P} u {1 | ~P}, prove that A != {}, and then AOC picks an element of the sole element of X = {A} and that'll tell you which of P or ~P is true. 09:16:31 So it seems to be a quirk of encoding emptiness as {} \notin X rather than the positive assertion that forall A in X, exists a in A, true 09:17:09 err, encoding the fact that the sets in X are non-empty 09:19:37 -!- hanif has joined. 09:20:25 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaconescu%27s_theorem I think 09:21:08 You're entirely correct. 09:26:07 Ah, that's a bit more clever... we *can* exhibit elements of U and V there, so it's not just an encoding quirk. 09:26:35 Taneb: thanks 09:28:11 I heard about the axiom of global choice recently. What a great axiom. 09:30:20 what's next? epsilon calculus? 09:31:34 Ah, I hadn't heard of that either. 09:31:39 -!- Koen has joined. 09:32:09 This epsilon thing is slightly reminiscent of "seemingly impossible programs". 09:32:45 Where the find operator also takes a predicate and returns a value that satisfies it, if it exists, or otherwise an unspecified value. 09:32:54 And exists and forall are implemented the same way. 09:34:16 Maybe this epsilon thing works well in some sort of compactness-related context. 09:34:36 Hmm, I still don't really know what the computational content of compactness is, in that sort of context. 10:12:21 -!- arseniiv has joined. 11:09:53 -!- Koen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:16:14 -!- Koen has joined. 11:30:31 -!- Koen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:51:09 -!- Koen has joined. 11:55:34 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 12:09:39 -!- tromp has joined. 12:43:38 -!- hanif has joined. 12:50:11 -!- velik has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:56:07 -!- Sgeo has joined. 13:58:01 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 14:41:46 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:58:36 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85775&oldid=85749 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+12) /* R */ RHOVL 15:00:17 [[RHOVL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85776&oldid=85760 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+78) /* Interpreter */ Cats 15:00:52 [[RHOVL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85777&oldid=85776 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+70) Refimpl 15:32:18 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85778&oldid=70408 * Dtuser1337 * (+1474) /* Beginning of the Sandbox line */ 15:49:47 -!- Koen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:54:10 -!- riv has joined. 16:00:55 -!- delta23 has joined. 16:05:17 [[Talk:Cheese]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85779&oldid=85200 * Sanscicondos * (+53) /* Know Bugs As of Version [Alpha 1.3] */ 16:15:37 -!- hanif has joined. 16:16:20 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85780&oldid=85778 * Dtuser1337 * (+569) /* Commands */ 16:21:44 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:25:15 https://i.imgur.com/y3Tg3oj.png ; https://i.imgur.com/O5sSCPR.mp4 16:31:54 -!- leah2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:32:37 https://i.imgur.com/yBhtVxG.png ; https://i.imgur.com/19kdpY0.mp4 16:34:49 -!- leah2 has joined. 16:39:44 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 16:52:04 -!- arseniiv has joined. 17:06:15 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85781&oldid=85774 * Flyingmadpakke * (+151) /* Introductions */ 17:10:13 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85782&oldid=85781 * Flyingmadpakke * (+81) /* Introductions */ 17:43:54 -!- hanif has joined. 18:09:24 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85783&oldid=85780 * Dtuser1337 * (+2759) /* Commands */ 18:10:01 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85784&oldid=85783 * Dtuser1337 * (+7) /* Commands */ 18:10:24 heh, while small objects like this crater go well https://i.imgur.com/pHR2Fse.png 18:10:38 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85785&oldid=85784 * Dtuser1337 * (+0) /* Commands */ 18:10:49 this one does not ( https://i.imgur.com/NfwEnKO.png 18:11:18 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85786&oldid=85785 * Dtuser1337 * (-3) /* Commands */ 18:11:47 oh 18:12:17 I imagine I could generate the image on lower resolution and then recursively go 2 times higher 18:12:32 but it's too complex compared to current state 18:17:46 [[Talk:Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85787&oldid=77361 * Flyingmadpakke * (+1507) 18:26:07 -!- Oshawott has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:27:47 -!- hanif has quit (Quit: quit). 18:32:14 [[\ () /]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85788&oldid=81658 * LegionMammal978 * (+226) fix links 18:53:53 [[DROL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85789&oldid=81673 * LegionMammal978 * (+10) /* External Links */ fix links 18:58:44 I guess I'll stop on this for now 19:02:42 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85790&oldid=85786 * Dtuser1337 * (+1826) /* Commands */ 19:12:21 [[Shove]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85791&oldid=44005 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (-13) fix spacing of and un-preformat the space instruction 19:19:18 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85792&oldid=85790 * Dtuser1337 * (+958) /* Commands */ 19:25:03 [[Muddle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85793&oldid=77988 * LegionMammal978 * (+8) /* Interpreter */ fix links 19:27:38 is the singingbanana on the esowiki the same singingbanana that does the numberphile videos? 19:30:29 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85794&oldid=85792 * Dtuser1337 * (+150) 19:35:56 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85795&oldid=85794 * Dtuser1337 * (+108) 19:38:28 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85796&oldid=85795 * Dtuser1337 * (+100) /* Commands */ 19:41:59 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85797&oldid=85796 * Dtuser1337 * (-79) /* Beginning of the Sandbox line */ 19:43:28 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85798&oldid=85797 * Dtuser1337 * (+40) /* Beginning of the Sandbox line */ 19:44:34 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85799&oldid=85798 * Dtuser1337 * (-12) /* Commands */ 19:46:07 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85800&oldid=85799 * Dtuser1337 * (+7) /* Commands */ 19:49:56 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85801&oldid=85800 * Dtuser1337 * (+50) /* Examples */ 20:05:50 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85802&oldid=85801 * Dtuser1337 * (+375) /* Examples */ 20:12:29 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85803&oldid=85802 * Dtuser1337 * (+235) /* Function Commands */ 20:12:45 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85804&oldid=85803 * Dtuser1337 * (-1) /* Function Commands */ 20:15:11 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85805&oldid=85804 * Dtuser1337 * (+32) /* Function Commands */ 20:15:45 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85806&oldid=85805 * Dtuser1337 * (-13) /* Function Commands */ 20:16:54 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85807&oldid=85806 * Dtuser1337 * (-11) /* Cat */ 20:17:45 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85808&oldid=85807 * Dtuser1337 * (+30) /* File I/O Commands */ 20:18:12 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85809&oldid=85808 * Dtuser1337 * (+0) /* File I/O Commands */ 20:18:33 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85810&oldid=85809 * Dtuser1337 * (+13) /* File I/O Commands */ 20:22:07 -!- Koen has joined. 20:23:25 -!- archenoth has joined. 20:28:56 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85811&oldid=85810 * Dtuser1337 * (+336) /* 99 Bottles of Beer */ 20:45:55 https://medium.com/@benjamin.botto/implementing-an-optimal-rubiks-cube-solver-using-korf-s-algorithm-bf750b332cf9 20:45:59 look at he use of lehmer codes 20:46:07 https://medium.com/@benjamin.botto/sequentially-indexing-permutations-a-linear-algorithm-for-computing-lexicographic-rank-a22220ffd6e3 20:46:11 sorry for medium links 20:56:11 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85812&oldid=85775 * Sebosh * (-14) 21:13:25 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:13:49 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 21:16:34 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 22:05:29 -!- Koen has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:24:28 -!- delta23 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:25:05 -!- delta23 has joined. 22:47:00 [[Shove]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85813&oldid=85791 * Ais523 * (+39) perhaps this is the best way to make the space-in-code-formatting show up? 22:48:37 [[Shove]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85814&oldid=85813 * Ais523 * (+25) add a category 23:34:02 -!- delta23 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:39:26 -!- delta23 has joined. 23:47:10 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:48:20 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 23:58:55 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 2021-07-07: 00:07:47 this morning: 🌘 00:08:09 * nakilon discovered that there are unicode characters for all phases 00:19:01 -!- leah2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:28:45 unicode: the first uncountably infinite character set? 00:33:57 idk, even if you allow for composing, i feel like the spec only gets you to countably infinite 00:45:36 yea i think at best unicode is countably infinite 01:02:24 -!- dutch has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1). 01:02:32 But, all the phases. 01:03:01 (Just an excuse to try out italics. Didn't render in the terminal. Did in the Matrix client, though.) 01:03:16 works in my client 01:05:57 No italics on my computer, although the formatting code is displayed. 01:11:04 -!- velik has joined. 01:11:48 rendered in thelounge 01:13:25 also this says my terminal can italic https://stackoverflow.com/a/3338028/322020 but I don't remember if I saw it anywhere, maybe during homebrew installs 01:14:36 can't find a way to start a detached screen session that would not vanish if the script in it fails 01:27:59 nakilon: It's a little inelegant, but `screen -S testing -d -m; screen -S testing -X stuff "/bin/false\n"` worked for me to create a detached screen session with a shell in it, into which had been typed /bin/false, which had (obviously) failed but since it was in a shell the session was left to stay around. 01:33:30 -!- delta23 has joined. 01:41:41 nakilon: Oh, I guess another alternative is something like: `screen -S testing -d -m /bin/bash -c '/your/script; exec bash'` -- as in, in the screen session, run a shell that runs your script and then unconditionally exec's a new interactive shell to keep hold of the screen session. There's probably other ways to convince bash to do "do X and then start acting like an interactive shell" that don't 01:41:47 involve exec'ing a new one. 01:49:59 [[Sed]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85815&oldid=80348 * LegionMammal978 * (+15) fix name 02:02:13 is "stuff" a special word or what? 02:03:07 also the -X to execute commands in existing screen like is someone's snippets didn't work at all 02:03:15 *like in 02:04:59 `stuff` is a command to write things as if they had been typed, yes. It worked for me. 02:05:01 stuff`? No such file or directory 02:05:19 Well, the other way involves no -X, anyway. 06:58:19 -!- Guest11 has joined. 07:02:35 [[Talk:Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85816&oldid=85787 * Keymaker * (+381) /* Using integer overflow for a compact 18 bytes Truth-machine in Brainfuck? */ 07:05:45 -!- Guest11 has quit (Quit: Client closed). 07:07:14 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85817&oldid=85811 * Dtuser1337 * (-78) /* Function Commands */ 07:11:16 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85818&oldid=85817 * Dtuser1337 * (+75) /* Replace Commands */ 07:14:35 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85819&oldid=85818 * Dtuser1337 * (+2) /* Function Commands */ 07:21:41 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 07:43:10 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:46:50 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85820&oldid=85819 * Dtuser1337 * 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https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85853&oldid=85852 * Back * (+34) 13:16:53 [[Smile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85854&oldid=85853 * Back * (+121) 13:19:12 [[Smile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85855&oldid=85854 * Back * (+20) 13:19:57 [[Smile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85856&oldid=85855 * Back * (+3) 13:20:41 [[Smile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85857&oldid=85856 * Back * (+8) 13:21:23 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85858&oldid=85831 * Dtuser1337 * (+4139) /* Simple Turn-based Game */ 13:25:14 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85859&oldid=85858 * Dtuser1337 * (+143) /* Simple Turn-based Game */ 13:33:37 -!- Pricey has left. 13:37:35 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85860&oldid=85859 * Dtuser1337 * (+401) /* Commands */ 13:53:32 -!- Sgeo has joined. 13:53:54 -!- tromp has joined. 14:02:13 -!- imode has joined. 14:04:08 -!- hanif has joined. 14:14:24 `olist 1239 14:14:27 olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1239.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas 14:15:08 thanks HackEso 14:22:35 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85861&oldid=85860 * Dtuser1337 * (+558) /* Simple Turn-based Game */ 14:35:41 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 15:08:38 -!- hanif has joined. 15:23:49 -!- mnrmnaugh has joined. 15:55:09 [[RASEL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85862&oldid=84924 * Nakilon * (+862) moved in the AoC example from Github; reordered the instructions table 15:58:08 -!- moony has quit (Quit: leaving). 16:00:39 oops, the change comment is wrong, lol, I moved another part of README 16:03:03 -!- Koen has joined. 16:11:47 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 16:17:08 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 16:20:24 so I finally adapted the AoC example to the swapn operator version 16:21:11 and shortened the check "== 2020" so it's now done differently in my version and fizzie's 16:21:44 I' not sure but it's probably somewhere here in Befunge '-:*5-- 16:23:10 while I divided the number by 20 and checked if it's 101 like this K/"e"-:/ 16:49:45 [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85863&oldid=85630 * Flyingmadpakke * (+664) /* brainfuck */ 16:59:27 [[Talk:Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85864&oldid=85816 * Flyingmadpakke * (+293) /* Using integer overflow for a compact 18 bytes Truth-machine in Brainfuck? */ 17:01:39 -!- andydude has joined. 17:01:48 -!- andydude has quit (Client Quit). 17:01:59 -!- tromp has joined. 17:02:35 -!- Koen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:15:26 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…). 17:31:52 [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[Ogu]] to [[Og]]: fix title 17:34:46 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85867&oldid=85861 * Dtuser1337 * (+2040) /* Simple Turn-based Game */ 17:36:08 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85868&oldid=85867 * Dtuser1337 * (-3) /* Simple Turn-based Game */ 17:39:03 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85869&oldid=85868 * Dtuser1337 * (+15) /* Simple Turn-based Game */ 17:42:20 Yeah, the '-:*5-- is x-(45*45-5), using the closest square to 2020 (45² = 2025) to get there. 17:42:27 If you don't mind control characters in your source, 'e'*- (via 101*20) would have been shorter by one I guess. 17:45:11 Also potential space savings from the w instruction (that I never remember about), which pops two values, compares them, and then turns left, goes straight or turns right, depending on whether one is greater than, equal to, or less than the other. But that depends a little on the surroundings. 17:46:32 -!- riv has joined. 17:47:23 [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[Airline food]] to [[Airline Food]]: fix title 17:47:23 [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[Talk:Airline food]] to [[Talk:Airline Food]]: fix title 17:50:27 * nakilon did the second try to write prime numbers generator and again right in the middle forgot how the code works 17:50:48 when your code is 3::\:?v:3\:2\% 17:50:56 and the stack is 3 3 2 3 0 0 0 17:51:15 all these 2 and 3 just make no sense ( I need IDE very much 18:04:53 -!- hanif has joined. 18:15:57 -!- tromp has joined. 18:29:24 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85874&oldid=85869 * Dtuser1337 * (+158) /* Simple Turn-based Game */ 18:29:43 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 18:36:18 -!- hanif has quit (Quit: quit). 18:37:52 [[Special:Log/move]] move * LegionMammal978 * moved [[Ss]] to [[SS (CatLooks)]]: fix title 18:41:43 oh finally 2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19 23 29 31 37 41 43 47 53 59 61 67 71 73 79 83 89 97 101 103 18:45:15 yay! 18:45:17 10 seconds to reach prime number 4409 18:47:13 -!- tromp has joined. 18:49:30 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:00:41 the automatic closing the "stale issues" is a cancer automation that shoyld be prohibited 19:01:42 here people asked to make it possible to make github count stats of your defined language if it's unknown to github-linguist https://github.com/github/linguist/issues/4435 19:01:52 but it got closed just because no one commented it for a while 19:03:00 and while the automation exists I'm pretty sure there is no workflow explanation if it's possible to reopen so the dude who got his issue closed doesn't reopen it 19:03:31 this stupid shit is probably invented by "effective managers" who just duplicate issues on daily basis and this is one of the way to duplicate them 19:05:56 [[A345120268A9]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85877&oldid=82714 * LegionMammal978 * (-5) /* Interpreter */ fix link 19:08:46 [[RASEL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85878&oldid=85862 * Nakilon * (+139) /* Examples */ prime numbers generator 19:37:01 [[Nya~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85879&oldid=83076 * LegionMammal978 * (+14) fix title 19:40:58 https://twitter.com/hashtag/CLIP I find this AI generated images based on a text prompt very interesting 19:41:06 what do you think about this? 19:51:06 [[I-ok]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85880&oldid=83222 * LegionMammal978 * (+15) fix title 19:53:54 [[User talk:Hyperdawg]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85881 * LegionMammal978 * (+234) Created page with "You mention in [[Whopper]] that you created an interpreter in under 100 lines of Python; could you please upload that code? Thanks! ~~~~" 20:13:14 nightmare fuel ..D 20:23:12 ture 20:56:15 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 20:56:17 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:59:45 -!- sco1 has joined. 21:04:04 -!- riv has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:30:28 -!- spruit11_ has joined. 21:32:13 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:33:43 -!- spruit11 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:40:52 -!- spruit11_ has quit (Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.). 21:41:14 -!- spruit11 has joined. 21:46:36 -!- jinn_ has changed nick to jinn. 22:28:46 https://www.reddit.com/user/yangwenli1/m/mapswithout/ 22:40:06 -!- sknebel has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:41:27 -!- sknebel has joined. 22:53:54 -!- Sgeo has joined. 22:53:57 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:00:15 -!- Koen has joined. 23:25:36 -!- Koen has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 23:38:00 [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85882&oldid=85863 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-18) /* brainfuck */ Simplify link 23:38:28 [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85883&oldid=85882 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) /* brainfuck */ m 2021-07-08: 00:02:01 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 00:04:04 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85884&oldid=85874 * Dtuser1337 * (+21) /* Beginning of the Sandbox line */ 00:05:40 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85885&oldid=85884 * Dtuser1337 * (+26) /* Overview */ 00:07:53 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85886&oldid=85885 * Dtuser1337 * (-54) /* Replace Commands */ 00:09:59 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85887&oldid=85886 * Dtuser1337 * (+11) /* Overview */ 00:10:40 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85888&oldid=85887 * Dtuser1337 * (-51) /* Overview */ 00:10:53 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85889&oldid=85888 * Dtuser1337 * (+40) /* Beginning of the Sandbox line */ 00:11:02 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85890&oldid=85889 * Dtuser1337 * (-1) /* Beginning of the Sandbox line */ 00:13:25 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85891&oldid=85890 * Dtuser1337 * (+115) /* Comparative and Logical Statement */ 00:15:14 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85892&oldid=85891 * Dtuser1337 * (-343) /* Functions and Libraries */ 00:16:45 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85893&oldid=85892 * Dtuser1337 * (+388) /* Commands Examples */ 00:27:08 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85894&oldid=85893 * Dtuser1337 * (+427) /* File I/O */ 00:32:21 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85895&oldid=85894 * Dtuser1337 * (+273) /* Commands Examples */ 00:34:39 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85896&oldid=85895 * Dtuser1337 * (-156) /* Function Commands */ 00:35:59 -!- spruit11 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:36:32 -!- spruit11 has joined. 00:38:40 -!- spruit11_ has joined. 00:41:02 -!- spruit11 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:08:52 -!- leah2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:15:36 -!- aquijoule__ has joined. 02:17:49 -!- aquijoule_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:10:43 This is one of my idea of a Magic: the Gathering card: Enchanted permanent is snow, legendary, ongoing, and basic. 03:11:03 (My "generalized ongoing" rule suppresses the state-based actions for phenomena and Sagas as well as schemes.) 03:15:49 -!- dbohdan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:16:14 -!- dbohdan has joined. 05:49:17 Do you like this? 05:52:11 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 05:57:10 What was the codegolf website? Do they accept esolangs? 05:59:36 What codegolf website do you mean? There are a few, I think. 06:04:04 Found it 06:04:09 Shiny 06:04:15 *h 06:04:33 It says I should email to add a language 06:37:56 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:03:50 -!- riv has joined. 07:07:59 Do you think that a /Environment resource category should be added into PostScript? 07:37:35 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85897&oldid=85896 * Dtuser1337 * (-210) /* Simple Turn-based Game */ 07:39:26 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85898&oldid=85897 * Dtuser1337 * (+74) /* File I/O Commands */ 07:57:53 -!- riv has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:06:26 -!- hendursaga has joined. 08:08:39 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:19:40 -!- leah2 has joined. 08:23:53 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 08:25:18 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 08:27:50 -!- sprock has joined. 08:37:21 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 09:15:16 -!- Koen has joined. 09:20:41 -!- APic has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:06:16 -!- arseniiv has joined. 10:12:30 -!- Thelie has joined. 10:52:16 [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * AmNow * uploaded "[[File:2s1.jpeg]]": 2x2 scramble 11:02:35 [[F]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85900 * AmNow * (+1092) Created page with "F is an esoteric programming language made by [[User:AmNow]]. F resembles Rubiks cube notation. == Commands == The data is stored on a cube net. L## ### #..." 11:03:32 [[User:AmNow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85901&oldid=85611 * AmNow * (-10) added lang 11:04:18 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85902&oldid=85843 * AmNow * (+10) /* F */ added lang 11:11:13 [[F]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85903&oldid=85900 * AmNow * (+0) fixed spelling mistake in categories 11:12:53 [[User:Lyxal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85904&oldid=82271 * Razetime * (+38) 11:16:05 [[Vyxal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85905&oldid=82520 * JonoCode9374 * (+2) 11:17:11 [[User:Lyxal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85906&oldid=85904 * JonoCode9374 * (+52) 11:21:18 -!- hanif has joined. 11:37:04 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Tams Tams * New user account 11:41:07 [[BinaryBefunge]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85907 * Dominicentek * (+3217) Created page with "BinaryBefunge is an esoteric programming language written by Dominicentek. It's a clone of [[Befunge]]. It's like Befunge, but all the characters are represented as binary. ==..." 11:41:21 [[BinaryBefunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85908&oldid=85907 * Dominicentek * (+5) /* Examples */ 11:45:05 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85909&oldid=85832 * Tams Tams * (+220) /* Introductions */ 11:48:27 [[Vyxal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85910&oldid=85905 * Tams Tams * (-1) Changed a not working link 11:50:16 [[Vyxal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85911&oldid=85910 * Tams Tams * (+0) Updated links 11:52:21 [[Vyxal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85912&oldid=85911 * Tams Tams * (+0) updated another link 12:17:10 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 12:20:29 -!- APic has joined. 12:31:32 -!- Thelie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:31:40 -!- hanif has joined. 12:53:41 nakilon: there are several codegolf websites 13:17:37 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 13:28:25 -!- delta23 has joined. 13:49:45 -!- hanif has joined. 13:59:50 -!- Koen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:09:18 -!- Sgeo has joined. 14:20:52 -!- Koen has joined. 15:08:30 [[BinaryBefunge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85913&oldid=85908 * Dominicentek * (+64) /* Interpreter */ 15:08:52 [[BinaryBefunge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85914&oldid=85913 * Dominicentek * (+1) 15:30:11 -!- spruit11_ has quit (Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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/* Stacks */ 16:57:36 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85921&oldid=85920 * Dtuser1337 * (+56) /* Replace Commands */ 17:04:19 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85922&oldid=85921 * Dtuser1337 * (+315) /* Stacks */ 17:04:32 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85923&oldid=85922 * Dtuser1337 * (+3) /* Commands Examples */ 17:04:40 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85924&oldid=85923 * Dtuser1337 * (+1) /* =Single Line Program */ 17:08:35 [[SWING]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85925&oldid=85520 * LegionMammal978 * (+128) add links 17:08:59 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85926&oldid=85924 * Dtuser1337 * (+106) /* Replace Commands */ 17:09:13 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85927&oldid=85926 * Dtuser1337 * (+1) /* Replace Commands */ 17:13:22 [[Talk:Graverage]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85928 * Aryantech123 * (+112) Created page with "==Making an interpreter== I am working on an interpreter. :[[User:Aryantech123|Aryantech123]] 17:12(UTC) 8/7/21" 17:22:25 -!- Koen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:23:05 [[Smile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85929&oldid=85857 * LegionMammal978 * (+28) fix title 17:28:52 [[Py256]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85930&oldid=85773 * Makonede * (+73) 17:30:46 -!- Koen has joined. 17:32:53 [[Smile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85931&oldid=85929 * LegionMammal978 * (-1) fix mistake 17:38:33 -!- riv has joined. 17:57:02 -!- hanif has joined. 18:28:54 -!- Koen has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:28:58 -!- user3456 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:35:23 -!- Koen has joined. 18:44:29 -!- sprock has joined. 18:52:38 -!- hanif has quit (Quit: quit). 18:57:21 -!- Melvar has joined. 19:28:01 -!- Thelie has joined. 20:09:11 -!- Koen has quit (Remote 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https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85936&oldid=85928 * Aryantech123 * (+41) 21:24:29 [[XAH-libs]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85937 * Spargle * (+15) Created page with "= back to XAH =" 21:25:23 [[XAH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85938&oldid=85932 * Spargle * (+83) /* examples: */ 21:28:36 -!- user3456 has joined. 21:29:20 -!- Guest55 has joined. 21:29:39 -!- Guest55 has quit (Client Quit). 21:44:01 [[XAH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85939&oldid=85938 * Spargle * (+1) /* examples: */ 21:44:15 [[XAH]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85940&oldid=85939 * Spargle * (+1) /* A library-based language with 3 commands built into the standard library: */ 21:45:35 [[XAH-libs]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85941&oldid=85937 * Spargle * (+127) /* back to XAH */ 21:50:00 -!- Koen has quit (Quit: Leaving...). 21:52:30 -!- Thelie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:29:52 -!- Trieste has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:29:53 [[FlipJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85942&oldid=85653 * Tomhe * (+391) add infobox proglang 22:31:32 -!- Trieste has joined. 2021-07-09: 00:16:46 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:20:04 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 00:48:03 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85943&oldid=85934 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-10) /* Non-alphabetic */ ... 01:02:00 [[Pain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85944&oldid=83792 * RetroPain * (-64) /* List of Instuctions */ 02:43:53 [[Nhohnhehr]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85945&oldid=74769 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+3) /* Edge Crossing */ translation transformation 03:24:36 -!- imode has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.1). 03:28:55 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85946&oldid=85927 * Dtuser1337 * (+97) /* Commands */ 03:31:07 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85947&oldid=85946 * Dtuser1337 * (-35) /* Beginning of the Sandbox line */ 03:32:49 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85948&oldid=85947 * Dtuser1337 * (-9) /* Commands */ 03:47:32 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85949&oldid=85948 * Dtuser1337 * (+581) /* Commands Examples */ 03:48:00 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85950&oldid=85949 * Dtuser1337 * (+3) /* Named Function id */ 04:26:15 -!- ^[ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:26:43 -!- ^[ has joined. 05:33:54 -!- arseniiv has joined. 05:44:59 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:14:13 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 06:14:48 -!- Cale has joined. 06:27:06 -!- imode has joined. 06:34:42 [[While(true)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85951&oldid=83441 * Aonodensetsu * (-6) /* External resources */ 07:20:22 -!- hanif has joined. 07:33:50 -!- imode has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.1). 07:34:06 -!- imode has joined. 07:54:54 I hate summer 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https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85956&oldid=85943 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+20) /* B */ BinaryBefunge 13:47:10 [[While(true)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85957&oldid=85955 * Aonodensetsu * (-280) 13:47:27 [[While(true)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85958&oldid=85957 * Aonodensetsu * (-4) /* Extended manual */ 13:48:00 [[While(true)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85959&oldid=85958 * Aonodensetsu * (+4) 13:50:45 [[While(true)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85960&oldid=85959 * Aonodensetsu * (-1) /* Commands */ 13:58:02 [[While(true)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85961&oldid=85960 * Aonodensetsu * (-2) /* CALL */ 13:59:08 [[While(true)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85962&oldid=85961 * Aonodensetsu * (+11) /* GLOBALW / GLOBALR */ 14:00:03 [[While(true)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85963&oldid=85962 * Aonodensetsu * (+16) /* CALL */ 14:01:10 [[While(true)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85964&oldid=85963 * Aonodensetsu * (+0) /* CALL */ 14:01:42 [[While(true)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85965&oldid=85964 * Aonodensetsu * (-17) /* CALL */ 14:21:01 [[While(true)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85966&oldid=85965 * Aonodensetsu * (+290) /* CALL */ 14:22:39 -!- Sgeo has joined. 14:24:20 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * ChuckEsoteric08 * New user account 14:36:38 -!- imode has joined. 14:54:40 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (Quit: leaving). 14:56:49 -!- andydude has joined. 15:31:17 -!- Trieste has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 15:36:07 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85967&oldid=85909 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+101) 15:36:55 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85968&oldid=85967 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1) 15:38:53 [[GolfScratch]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85969 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+760) Created page with "GolfScratch - language for [[Golf|Coding Golf]] Made By [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] ==Commands== PUSH - Push Something To The Stack(If It Is The ACC Push Accumulator) PO..." 15:45:42 [[GolfScratch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85970&oldid=85969 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+232) 15:48:11 [[GolfScratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85971&oldid=85970 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+83) 15:48:53 [[GolfScratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85972&oldid=85971 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-3) 15:49:26 [[GolfScratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85973&oldid=85972 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1) 15:51:52 -!- andydude has quit (Quit: andydude). 15:54:06 [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85974&oldid=83077 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+49) 15:55:46 -!- andydude has joined. 15:56:06 [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85975 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+64) Created page with "Hello! I Made [[GolfScratch]] and [[Nope.]] interpreter in Batch" 15:58:20 -!- riv has joined. 15:59:43 [[User talk:ChuckEsoteric08]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85976 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+3) Created page with "Hi!" 16:03:35 -!- Thelie has joined. 16:20:42 -!- andydude has quit (Quit: andydude). 16:23:07 -!- andydude has joined. 16:23:08 -!- Trieste has joined. 16:24:53 -!- andydude has quit (Client Quit). 16:27:09 -!- Trieste_ has joined. 16:27:38 -!- Trieste has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 16:29:46 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 16:55:25 -!- hanif has joined. 16:59:59 [[IGNORED]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85977 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+505) Created page with "IGNORED - Esolang That Ignore Every Programm! But It Prints I IGNORE PROGRAM *programm* So, You Can Make [[Hello World]], [[Quine]] and [[Cat]] Programms! ==Examples== ===..." 17:01:09 [[IGNORED]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85978&oldid=85977 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (-1) 17:06:24 [[IGNORED]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85979&oldid=85978 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+33) 17:07:14 [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85980&oldid=85975 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+35) 17:09:28 [[IGNORED]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85981&oldid=85979 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+70) /* Implementations */ 17:24:32 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:48:49 [[List of quines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85982&oldid=85043 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+26) 18:05:18 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:23:13 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85983&oldid=85956 * Andrew3335 * (+8) 18:45:26 global warming is fake 18:49:14 [citation needed] 18:49:18 [[IGNORED]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85984&oldid=85981 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+65) 18:49:49 not as fake as the "corona" "virus" 18:50:02 [[IGNORED]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85985&oldid=85984 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1) 18:50:28 [[IGNORED]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85986&oldid=85985 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+0) 18:57:59 -!- Thelie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:01:42 -!- arseniiv_ has joined. 19:03:18 -!- hanif has joined. 19:03:29 -!- hanif has quit (Client Quit). 19:04:32 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 19:17:17 -!- arseniiv_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:26:35 [[User:Dtuser1337/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85987&oldid=85950 * Dtuser1337 * (-21719) Replaced content with "this is my sandbox page in which i use to draft some w.i.p stuff and experiment with these. plz do not touch with this sandbox page unless you want to fix some problem i..." 19:32:10 [[FlinnScrip]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85988 * Dtuser1337 * (+21719) Created page with " FlinnScrip is a programming language created in 2021 by [[User:Dtuser1337]]. The program syntax is inspired by [[Jug]]. ==Commands== All FlinnScrip Variables starts on 0, an..." 19:32:47 [[FlinnScrip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85989&oldid=85988 * Dtuser1337 * (+65) 19:33:22 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85990&oldid=85983 * Dtuser1337 * (+17) /* F */ 19:34:31 [[User:Dtuser1337]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85991&oldid=70411 * Dtuser1337 * (+17) /* My Creations */ 19:38:29 [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85992&oldid=85883 * Dtuser1337 * (+77) /* Fit */ 19:44:10 [[FlinnScrip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85993&oldid=85989 * Dtuser1337 * (+5) /* HQ9+ shell */ 19:48:59 [[FlinnScrip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85994&oldid=85993 * Dtuser1337 * (+138) /* Commands Examples */ 19:50:33 [[FlinnScrip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85995&oldid=85994 * Dtuser1337 * (+6) /* Commands */ more details 19:54:11 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 20:03:52 -!- imode has joined. 20:04:10 [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85996&oldid=85992 * Dtuser1337 * (-111) /* MailBox */ 20:08:10 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:18:40 [[FlinnScrip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85997&oldid=85995 * Dtuser1337 * (+25) 20:20:58 [[FlinnScrip]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85998&oldid=85997 * Dtuser1337 * (+3) /* ifcontain() */ fix 21:20:58 -!- ^[ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:22:40 -!- ^[ has joined. 21:29:08 -!- ^[ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 21:32:05 -!- user3456 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:48:51 -!- user3456 has joined. 21:51:13 -!- ^[ has joined. 22:59:23 [[Memory Muncher]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85999 * PixelatedStarfish * (+611) Created page with "A memory muncher program proves Turing completeness by running a unary counter that exhausts unbounded memory over infinite time. It prints each value as it counts, and it exh..." 23:05:54 [[Memory Muncher]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86000&oldid=85999 * PixelatedStarfish * (+27) 23:06:31 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86001&oldid=85768 * PixelatedStarfish * (+22) /* Memory Muncher */ 23:06:46 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86002&oldid=86001 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2) /* Memory Muncher */ 23:08:40 [[Unary Counter]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86003 * PixelatedStarfish * (+28) Redirected page to [[Memory Muncher]] 23:11:21 [[Memory Muncher]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86004&oldid=86000 * PixelatedStarfish * (+28) 23:15:22 [[Memory Muncher]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86005&oldid=86004 * PixelatedStarfish * (-169) 23:16:41 [[Memory Muncher]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86006&oldid=86005 * PixelatedStarfish * (+169) Undo revision 86005 by [[Special:Contributions/PixelatedStarfish|PixelatedStarfish]] ([[User 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https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86014 * PixelatedStarfish * (+29) Redirected page to [[Looping Counter]] 23:27:52 [[Looping Counter]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86015&oldid=86014 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) Changed redirect target from [[Looping Counter]] to [[Looping counter]] 23:40:54 -!- fizzie has quit (Quit: connection reset by purr). 23:41:46 -!- fizzie has joined. 2021-07-10: 00:02:26 why global warming is fake 00:02:51 ^ I guess it's enough good search query for citations 00:03:50 earth is flat 00:03:52 google it 00:05:12 search results only give forum posts, no scientific proofs 00:08:04 wait, I need to clarify 00:08:32 the fake part of it is the "the greenhouse effect" 00:12:22 "proofs" only exist in maths, not natural science 00:21:06 it was shown by dirlling and inspecting the ice that higher level of CO2 led to decrease of temerature, not increase 00:21:45 another detail is that water plays even much bigger role in the effect than CO2 00:23:45 so saying that our CO2 emission makes the earth warmer is nothing more than someone's economic interest propaganda 00:26:56 personally I pretty clearly see that the biggest threat to humanity isn't this stuff or even nuclear war but the level of illiteracy in the way how people are absolutely plain stupid to be able to fight an infectious pandemic 00:27:37 all our "scientific progress" is just nothing and does not make us stronger at all because masses are idiots 00:29:08 [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86016&oldid=85658 * Rphii * (-900) /* Examples */ update examples 00:30:15 another thread would be a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-Earth_supernova but it's nothing we can do about it 00:30:25 *threat 00:33:12 [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86017&oldid=86016 * Rphii * (+192) /* Input */ fix 00:33:31 [[Ascii]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86018&oldid=86017 * Rphii * (+5) /* Output */ fix 00:34:16 it's funny because here the people who think global warming is fake are also the ones who think covid is fake and refuse to wear a mask or get vaccinated 00:34:25 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ice-core-data-help-solve/ 00:34:57 when the willfully ignorant start dying from delta variant covid while the rest of us are fine then i'm sure they'll have a conspiracy theory to explain that too 00:35:03 [[Ascii]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86019&oldid=86018 * Rphii * (+103) add implementation github 00:35:24 [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86020&oldid=86019 * Rphii * (-2) fix category... 00:36:55 basically anything that would require them to change their lifestyle even a tiny bit is fake 00:36:59 people are so fucking entitled 00:44:37 keegan people who instead of trying to listen to scientists only read their facebook feed can believe in any combination of things 00:44:46 even that earth is not flat 01:09:29 [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86021&oldid=86020 * Rphii * (+50) /* Loop, else and invert */ LEAI 01:13:35 i think the earth is actually a klein bottle 01:13:51 if you keep walking north you eventually end up at the "south pole" but with left and right reversed 01:19:04 -!- imode has joined. 01:21:49 heh, or a toroid 01:22:26 I've never met a Flat Earther who literally thought the Earth was flat, in the sense that, it had edges you'd fall off 01:34:09 so what do they think 02:24:27 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 02:24:59 -!- hendursaga has joined. 03:09:23 -!- slavfox has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in). 03:10:44 -!- slavfox has joined. 03:13:39 [[Something]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86022 * PixelatedStarfish * (+597) Created page with " {{infobox proglang |name=Something |author=[[User:PixelatedStarfish]] |year=[[:Category:2021|2021]] |paradigms=Imperative |memsys=[[:Category:Cell-based|Cell-based]] |majorim..." 03:13:56 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86023&oldid=86022 * PixelatedStarfish * (-2) /* External Links */ 03:15:14 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86024&oldid=86023 * PixelatedStarfish * (+36) 04:49:44 [[FlinnScrip]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86025&oldid=85998 * Dtuser1337 * (+6) /* Stacks */ fix 05:39:29 [[FlinnScrip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86026&oldid=86025 * Dtuser1337 * (+160) /* Function Commands */ 05:39:56 [[FlinnScrip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86027&oldid=86026 * Dtuser1337 * (+0) /* Implementation Dependent Commands */ 06:24:38 -!- Melvar has quit (*.net *.split). 06:24:38 -!- APic has quit (*.net *.split). 06:24:38 -!- leah2 has quit (*.net *.split). 06:24:38 -!- mnrmnaugh has quit (*.net *.split). 06:24:38 -!- shachaf has quit (*.net *.split). 06:24:38 -!- HackEso has quit (*.net *.split). 06:24:39 -!- warlock has quit (*.net *.split). 06:24:39 -!- aquijoule__ has quit (*.net *.split). 06:24:39 -!- int-e has quit (*.net *.split). 06:24:39 -!- Hooloovoo has quit (*.net *.split). 06:24:39 -!- 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Dtuser1337 * (+241) Created page with "==Need someone prove the computational class of this language i made== Can someone try to prove the computational class of my very own language i made?--~~~~" 14:42:29 -!- Thelie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:46:51 -!- immibis has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:00:41 [[GolfScratch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86040&oldid=85973 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+50) /* External links */ CatS 15:02:19 -!- immibis has joined. 15:52:54 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86041&oldid=86024 * PixelatedStarfish * (-1) 15:54:21 -!- hanif has joined. 15:59:54 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86042&oldid=86041 * PixelatedStarfish * (+110) 16:02:30 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86043&oldid=86042 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2) 16:03:35 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86044&oldid=86043 * PixelatedStarfish * (-16) 16:37:18 [[Something]] 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Language Named after 2 first commands that has been add. ==Commands== i - if STDIN is..." 17:06:26 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86048&oldid=86046 * PixelatedStarfish * (+609) /* Instructions */ 17:07:57 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:21:53 -!- hanif has joined. 17:32:54 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Algesuar * New user account 17:50:26 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86049&oldid=85968 * Algesuar * (+76) To visit my site search for the "HP41 Emulator Page" 17:51:18 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86050&oldid=86049 * Algesuar * (+0) 17:52:10 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86051&oldid=86050 * Algesuar * (+0) 17:56:40 int-e, regarding corners https://www.speedsolving.com/threads/restriction-games-with-the-cube-subgroups.79140/#post-1446921 17:58:05 [[Nope.]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86052&oldid=86035 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+44) 17:59:47 [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86053&oldid=85980 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+23) 18:10:34 > [1..48] \\ [3,6,11,17,27,33,14,24,30,40,43,46] 18:10:36 [1,2,4,5,7,8,9,10,12,13,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,25,26,28,29,31,32,34,35,36,3... 18:10:56 > [36..48] \\ [3,6,11,17,27,33,14,24,30,40,43,46] 18:10:57 [36,37,38,39,41,42,44,45,47,48] 18:15:07 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:16:32 ] ']',~'[',}.;(',',":)&.> (>:i.48)-. 3 6 11 17 27 33 14 24 30 40 43 46 18:16:42 [ ']',~'[',}.;(',',":)&.> (>:i.48)-. 3 6 11 17 27 33 14 24 30 40 43 46 18:16:42 b_jonas: [1,2,4,5,7,8,9,10,12,13,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,25,26,28,29,31,32,34,35,36,37,38,39,41,42,44,45,47,48] 18:25:22 -!- hanif has joined. 18:26:36 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86054&oldid=86048 * PixelatedStarfish * (+160) /* Instructions */ 18:28:42 riv: ah, associating opposite corners helps a lot 18:29:11 [[Hello++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86055&oldid=69240 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+187) 18:34:05 [[Hello++++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86056&oldid=81648 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+98) 18:36:31 [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86057&oldid=86053 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+63) 18:38:22 -!- Sgeo has joined. 18:38:39 -!- hanif has quit (Quit: quit). 18:40:48 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 18:44:12 [[Focal-2D]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86058 * Algesuar * (+2448) First edit and explanation of Focal-2D 18:50:30 [[Focal-2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86059&oldid=86058 * Algesuar * (+24) 18:52:42 [[Focal-2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86060&oldid=86059 * Algesuar * (-7) 19:23:20 [[User:Rdococ/Old]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86061&oldid=78161 * Rdococ * (-1408) 19:23:46 [[User:Rdococ/Old]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86062&oldid=86061 * Rdococ * (-161) /* Badder ones */ 19:24:28 [[User:Rdococ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86063&oldid=82298 * Rdococ * (-153) 19:26:30 -!- imode has joined. 19:53:33 -!- oerjan has joined. 20:09:37 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86064&oldid=86054 * PixelatedStarfish * (+386) /* Proof of Turing completeness */ 20:24:34 [[User:Dominicentek]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86065&oldid=85952 * Dominicentek * (+22) 20:34:09 -!- arseniiv_ has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 20:37:41 [[Focal-2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86066&oldid=86060 * Algesuar * (-1) 20:37:49 [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86067&oldid=83002 * Digital Hunter * (+1983) /* Example programs */ added a set of finite loop demos, along with making a few changes to other sections as well 20:44:35 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 20:45:11 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86068&oldid=86034 * Algesuar * (+15) New entry : Focal-2D 21:11:10 -!- fungot has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 21:15:16 nooooo fungot 21:19:21 -!- Melvar has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1). 21:20:10 Oh, hmm. 21:20:41 [[Boxes]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86069 * Dominicentek * (+4267) Created page with "Boxes is an esoteric programming language created by [[User:Dominicentek]]. It's code is stored in several boxes which can be put anywhere in the source code. == Boxes == ===..." 21:21:57 Odd. It's allegedly still running. 21:22:06 [[Boxes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86070&oldid=86069 * Dominicentek * (+1) Fixed HTML error 21:22:48 [[Boxes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86071&oldid=86070 * Dominicentek * (+1) Fixed error in example code 21:22:57 netsplit? 21:23:14 those don't usually give that message, i think. 21:24:04 I upgraded a router kind of a thing on the way, that's probably why it initially dropped off. But it should've realized that and given up and restarted. 21:24:08 [[User:Dominicentek]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86072&oldid=86065 * Dominicentek * (-10) 21:24:46 aha 21:25:20 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86073&oldid=86068 * Dominicentek * (+12) /* B */ 21:26:29 -!- fungot has joined. 21:26:41 [[Boxes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86074&oldid=86071 * Dominicentek * (+18) Formatting fix 21:27:18 Maybe there's some sort of a thing that it hangs up instead of exiting when the connection is lost. Or just takes a long time to time out, or something. 21:27:55 Because just doing `/etc/init.d/fungot restart` was sufficient to make it reconnect. (It still doesn't know how to autojoin channels, but one step at a time...) 21:27:55 fizzie: spammers attack the community scheme wiki 21:28:17 fungot: That's terrible! But unsurprising. 21:28:17 fizzie: aren't continuations garbage collected like anything else that consumes files here, do you? :) forgot? 21:29:53 fungot: recycling is omnipresent these days 21:29:53 oerjan: i don't think a ,dump would help?:) i hate that change too. 21:30:14 fungot: indeed, dumps are greatly frowned upon. 21:30:14 oerjan: how is look-for-header defined? procedure, you're doing something wrong 21:30:20 A bot with opinions™. 21:39:10 semi-open tcp connections are nasty, lambdabot used to constantly suffer from those 21:41:44 (The fix I settled on was to have lambdabot send its own pings...) 21:44:09 -!- Melvar has joined. 22:02:23 @ping lambdabot 22:02:24 pong 22:06:22 int-e: Yeah, that's a little hard to arrange in the fungot context though, because all the SOCK fingerprint gives me is a blocking read call with no timeouts. 22:06:22 fizzie: just curious. i think i'll leave one of those people. 23:00 fnord): fnord, but conditionally fnord... could be 22:13:10 fizzie: yeah I almost wrote that this would probably be harder in Befunge 22:15:00 Hacking something with SO_KEEPALIVE and a much shorter tcp_keepalive_time might work? 22:15:32 maybe the problem just isn't important enough... 22:16:03 with lambdabot it was happening once a week; fungot seems to be less affected 22:16:03 int-e: http://rune.krokodille.com/ lang/ logos.html!! also efrem zimbalist, either 22:18:51 Think I'll need to first fix that persisted ignore list and autojoin, otherwise it won't really make a difference. 22:19:10 Or else bring back the old "put a bouncer in front" setup I was using, I just don't wanna. 22:42:16 "it should've realized that [it dropped] and given up and restarted" => ahahahah! in theory, jevalbot should realize when the connection breaks, at least a few minutes after when it doesn't get a ping. in practice, it prints a message that the connection got broken, but for some reason doesn't exit. I've given up trying to debug that even back when I even tried to maintain jevalbot. 22:50:27 Heh. Well, this one does actually quit if the R instruction reflects, by printing "IRC read failed." and hitting a @. Which does happen if the remote side closes the connection. But of course not if it breaks in the wrong way. 22:53:50 "breaks in the wrong way" => I assume that's an occupational hazard for writing code in befunge 23:00:23 b_jonas: this "wrong way" has nothing to do with befunge though 23:02:02 It's just a quirk of TCP because of the design decision that TCP connections can stay open forever without any packets being sent whatsoever. 23:10:52 int-e: yes, but that delays you by at most a few minutes, after that you can detect the broken connection from the higher level protocol, such as IRC in this case 23:11:24 which is exactly how jevalbot detects a broken connection (in some cases at least), it just somehow prints a message and can't exit properly 23:12:39 sure, it would be nice to detect broken connections earlier, but eventually on a non-realtime network you will have some delay, and it's not worth to optimize that delay too much 23:13:27 Ooh, the SOCK fingerprint's O instruction can in fact set SO_KEEPALIVE. 23:15:14 (It'd still be very slow, but at least it'd trip eventually even if I'm not around.) 23:17:35 b_jonas: You can only do that if the higher level data protocol sends data from both sides. 23:17:40 without being prompted 23:18:07 b_jonas: Which, for a stupid IRC client, isn't necessarily the case. 23:18:25 fungot: How do you feel about being called stupid? 23:18:25 fizzie: the weather doesn't help. :) it looks decent in firebird, btw 23:19:27 I'd s/stupid/simple/ but I'm not sure that is an improvement :P 23:24:52 `? [ 23:24:55 ​[? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 23:25:00 ah, j 23:30:11 [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86075&oldid=86031 * Rphii * (+188) /* Examples */ add ascii table example 23:34:56 -!- imode has joined. 23:38:16 [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86076&oldid=86075 * Rphii * (-6) /* Ascii table */ simpler version... 23:46:20 [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86077&oldid=86076 * Rphii * (-1) /* Variables */ grammar 23:58:48 [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86078&oldid=86077 * Rphii * (+59) /* Input */ clarify 2021-07-11: 00:05:13 [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86079&oldid=86078 * Rphii * (+98) /* Input */ clarify (I hope it's decipherable) & add sugar 00:05:37 [[Ascii]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86080&oldid=86079 * Rphii * (+26) /* Output */ sugar 00:11:20 [[FlipJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86081&oldid=85942 * Tomhe * (-57) new syntax update (F => F; new macro definition, no [len]val) 00:15:11 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 00:29:59 [[FlipJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86082&oldid=86081 * Tomhe * (+119) /* Repititions */ - new "n" restrictions (better) 00:36:33 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86083&oldid=86064 * PixelatedStarfish * (+92) /* Instructions */ 00:38:33 -!- dutch has joined. 00:39:32 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86084&oldid=86083 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* Instructions */ 00:51:46 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86085&oldid=86084 * PixelatedStarfish * (+10) /* Proof of Turing completeness */ 00:55:14 -!- imode has joined. 00:55:22 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86086&oldid=86085 * PixelatedStarfish * (-24) /* Proof of Turing completeness */ 00:59:00 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86087&oldid=86086 * PixelatedStarfish * (+35) /* Proof of Turing completeness */ 01:00:31 [[Something]] 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https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86095&oldid=86094 * PixelatedStarfish * (+30) 01:15:23 [[Focal-2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86096&oldid=86066 * Algesuar * (-1) 01:15:39 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86097&oldid=86095 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2) 01:15:53 [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * PixelatedStarfish * uploaded "[[File:Something.png]]" 01:17:01 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86099&oldid=86097 * PixelatedStarfish * (-35) 01:17:39 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86100&oldid=86099 * PixelatedStarfish * (-1) 01:58:19 [[Focal-2D]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86101&oldid=86096 * Algesuar * (+22) 02:45:10 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 03:27:30 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86102&oldid=86100 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2) /* Instructions */ 03:28:07 [[Talk:Something]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86103 * PixelatedStarfish * (+5) Created page with "Hi :D" 03:29:31 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86104&oldid=86102 * PixelatedStarfish * (+100) /* Instructions */ 03:29:44 int-e: sure, you have to make sure your client does that 03:30:19 fizzie: do you mean the SOCKS proxy of TCP? or some other SOCK 03:31:58 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86105&oldid=86104 * PixelatedStarfish * (+13) 03:32:28 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86106&oldid=86105 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2) 03:32:59 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86107&oldid=86106 * PixelatedStarfish * (+4) /* Proof of Turing completeness */ 03:33:35 SOCK is a Funge-98 fingerprint that does networking. 03:34:53 [[Brainfood]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86108 * PixelatedStarfish * (+14) Created page with "#REDIRECT [bf]" 03:35:00 [[Brainfood]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86109&oldid=86108 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2) Redirected page to [[Bf]] 03:35:33 [[Brainfood]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86110&oldid=86109 * PixelatedStarfish * (+7) Changed redirect target from [[Bf]] to [[Brainfuck]] 03:41:17 [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86111&oldid=85996 * PixelatedStarfish * (+131) /* Implementations */ 03:41:36 [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86112&oldid=86111 * PixelatedStarfish * (+3) /* Something */ 03:47:21 [[List of quines]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86113&oldid=85982 * PixelatedStarfish * (+26) /* Real Quines */ 03:54:19 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86114&oldid=86107 * PixelatedStarfish * (+254) 03:54:33 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86115&oldid=86114 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) /* [Hello World]] */ 04:03:11 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86116&oldid=86115 * PixelatedStarfish * (+25) /* Program Examples */ 04:03:40 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86117&oldid=86116 * PixelatedStarfish * (+75) /* Truth Machine */ 04:04:19 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86118&oldid=86117 * PixelatedStarfish * (+31) /* Truth Machine */ 04:07:15 [[User:PixelatedStarfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86119&oldid=85239 * PixelatedStarfish * (+184) 04:07:52 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86120&oldid=86118 * PixelatedStarfish * (+4) 04:36:44 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 04:41:58 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86121&oldid=86013 * PixelatedStarfish * (-990) /* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ 04:42:30 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86122&oldid=86121 * PixelatedStarfish * (+3) /* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ 04:44:49 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86123&oldid=86122 * PixelatedStarfish * (+50) /* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ 04:45:05 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86124&oldid=86123 * PixelatedStarfish * (+1) /* On the Turing Completeness 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-!- fizzie[m] has joined. 08:55:14 -!- hanif has joined. 09:08:20 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 09:26:45 * nakilon is a bit moving from Stackdriver to RRDTools 09:27:35 https://i.imgur.com/Gmmunfo.png -- this took a lot of time to bring together 09:27:40 like few hours 09:28:50 then a bit of time to push the data to Datastore (GCP's NoSQL) and now gotta make a Cloud Run with https:// url that I would just visit and it will render this stuff 09:30:15 I'll lose some Stackdriver's features such as Alerting but I'm now not limited to their API that for example demands the "Resource" to be something of GCP or AWS while my server can be in fact anywhere else 09:32:15 i hope the graph gets more interesting 09:36:00 this one will be like this https://i.imgur.com/WFOfKy9.png and another one like this https://i.imgur.com/dUxsNZ1.png 09:38:12 and another problem (besides the stupid Resource id) it solves is that Stackdriver does not accept timeseries to the same metric older than the last that was already pushed 09:38:54 so I was unable to push to the same graph from two servers that have different time on them 09:40:37 while this is one is doing `.order("timestamp", :desc).limit(limit)` from the db 09:45:07 Man, the x86 shift instructions are a total mess. 10:30:17 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:32:40 -!- delta23 has joined. 11:03:24 [[FlipJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86127&oldid=86082 * Tomhe * (+174) Major Syntax Update - macro call/def, rep, reserved 11:03:55 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 11:05:46 fffffffuuuuuuuuu librrd gem does not install on alpine 11:06:41 and I can't even really try different versions of alpine because the netpbm is only available in alpine:edge 11:07:01 and I need it to join PNGs into one 11:07:07 * nakilon sighs 11:07:45 I wish there was a way to know ahead if something will stop you after hours of building 11:09:19 I could try ubuntu though 11:13:26 oh no, I can't, because I use shell2http that is built only on alpine _-- 11:33:27 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * CocaEric * New user account 11:38:04 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86128&oldid=86051 * CocaEric * (+105) /* Introductions */ 11:39:01 [[User:CocaEric]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86129 * CocaEric * (+6) Created page with "Hello!" 11:45:30 okay Golang makes shell2http easily buildable on Debian Stretch, but I get the same error https://github.com/bernd/librrd-ruby/issues/6 11:45:42 linux-vs-nakilon score 1:0 11:47:51 nice! 11:53:15 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 12:03:56 -!- hanif has joined. 12:29:25 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 12:33:28 -!- hanif has joined. 13:38:13 [[Boxes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86130&oldid=86074 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+90) /* Interpreter */ ; 13:45:53 [[Focal-2D]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86131&oldid=86101 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+104) c. 13:46:19 [[Hello++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86132&oldid=86055 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) /* Interpreter */ Typo 14:07:55 [[FlinnScrip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86133&oldid=86038 * Dtuser1337 * (+5) /* Truth-Machine */ 14:30:48 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86134&oldid=86073 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+16) /* S */ Add Something 14:36:20 [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * PixelatedStarfish * uploaded a new version of "[[File:Something.png]]" 14:36:44 $ gcloud run services get-iam-policy ... 14:36:44 ... etag: ACAB 14:36:47 _Oo 14:41:11 [[Special:Log/upload]] revert * PixelatedStarfish * uploaded a new version of "[[File:Something.png]]": Reverted to version as of 01:15, 11 July 2021 (UTC) 14:42:07 [[NUMBRS++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86137 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+1146) Created page with "'''NUMBRS''' - Two-dimensional made in Scratch esolang by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08|ChuckEsotric08]]. This Esolang have this name because most of Commands in this language is nu..." 14:43:45 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86138&oldid=86120 * PixelatedStarfish * (+3) 14:43:56 [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * PixelatedStarfish * uploaded "[[File:Name pending.gif]]" 14:44:17 [[NUMBRS++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86140&oldid=86137 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+90) 14:44:45 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86141&oldid=86138 * PixelatedStarfish * (+26) 14:45:10 [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86142&oldid=86057 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+14) 14:45:11 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86143&oldid=86141 * PixelatedStarfish * (+1) 14:45:24 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86144&oldid=86143 * PixelatedStarfish * (+4) 14:48:34 [[FlinnScrip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86145&oldid=86133 * Dtuser1337 * (+303) /* HQ9+ shell */ 14:51:56 [[File:Something.png]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86146&oldid=86136 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+34) m 14:52:12 [[File:Something.png]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86147&oldid=86146 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+1) m 14:52:24 [[File:Name pending.gif]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86148&oldid=86139 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+32) . 14:52:36 [[FlinnScrip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86149&oldid=86145 * Dtuser1337 * (+1) /* Deadfish shell */ bugfix 14:52:56 [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86150&oldid=85615 * Dtuser1337 * (+305) /* Fishing */ 14:53:14 [[User:PixelatedStarfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86151&oldid=86119 * PixelatedStarfish * (+7) /* Links */ 14:53:47 [[User:PixelatedStarfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86152&oldid=86151 * PixelatedStarfish * (+16) 14:54:13 [[User:PixelatedStarfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86153&oldid=86152 * PixelatedStarfish * (-1) /* =Esolangs */ 14:55:17 [[FlinnScrip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86154&oldid=86149 * Dtuser1337 * (-3) /* Examples */ 14:56:59 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86155&oldid=86126 * PixelatedStarfish * (-4) /* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ 14:58:41 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86156&oldid=86155 * PixelatedStarfish * (+105) /* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ 15:11:03 [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86157&oldid=86112 * Oshaboy * (+106) Added Eek and golfed C-Intercal a bit. 15:13:37 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86158&oldid=86156 * PixelatedStarfish * (+1) /* External resources */ 15:18:48 [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86159&oldid=86157 * Oshaboy * (-43) /* C-INTERCAL */ 15:19:01 -!- ffmct has joined. 15:19:48 -!- ffmct has quit (Client Quit). 15:32:14 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86160&oldid=86158 * PixelatedStarfish * (+1113) 15:35:02 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86161&oldid=86160 * PixelatedStarfish * (+165) /* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ 15:35:48 -!- arseniiv_ has joined. 15:41:40 [[FlinnScrip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86162&oldid=86154 * Dtuser1337 * (+42) /* Implementation Dependent Commands */ 15:55:22 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86163&oldid=86161 * PixelatedStarfish * (+232) 15:56:07 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86164&oldid=86163 * PixelatedStarfish * (+5) 15:56:31 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86165&oldid=86164 * PixelatedStarfish * (-13) 16:02:07 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86166&oldid=86165 * PixelatedStarfish * (-28) /* External resources */ 16:02:35 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86167&oldid=86166 * PixelatedStarfish * (+4) /* Tobysil */ 16:05:08 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86168&oldid=86167 * PixelatedStarfish * (+91) /* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ 16:05:41 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86169&oldid=86168 * PixelatedStarfish * (+5) /* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ 16:21:18 -!- arseniiv_ has changed nick to arseniiv. 17:26:01 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 17:39:56 [[Logic Gates]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86170 * PixelatedStarfish * (+536) Created page with " A Logic Gate program is a program that implements AND OR and NOT as boolean operations in some programming language. This is helpful in demonstrating that a programming langu..." 17:40:23 [[Logic Gates]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86171&oldid=86170 * PixelatedStarfish * (+29) 17:40:54 [[Logic Gates]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86172&oldid=86171 * PixelatedStarfish * (+0) 17:42:12 [[Logic Gates]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86173&oldid=86172 * PixelatedStarfish * (+66) 17:43:43 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86174&oldid=86169 * PixelatedStarfish * (-39) /* Logic Gates */ 17:52:17 -!- immibis_ has joined. 17:54:29 -!- immibis has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 18:09:13 -!- hanif has quit (Quit: quit). 18:18:12 -!- tech_exorcist_ has joined. 18:18:21 -!- imode has joined. 18:19:22 -!- tech_exorcist has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 18:20:41 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * ArthroStar11 * New user account 18:32:23 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86175&oldid=86128 * ArthroStar11 * (+254) added my intro, hopefully I did it right 18:37:17 -!- Sgeo has joined. 19:26:36 -!- Trieste has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:35:44 -!- Thelie has joined. 19:47:40 -!- delta23 has joined. 19:49:04 -!- riv has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:59:32 -!- V has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 20:05:59 -!- riv has joined. 20:21:05 -!- Thelie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:27:50 -!- tech_exorcist_ has quit (Quit: tech_exorcist_). 20:30:52 -!- arseniiv has quit (Quit: gone too far). 20:47:59 [[DotSF]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86176 * ArthroStar11 * (+2435) created page and provided link to my interpreter 20:49:52 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86177&oldid=86134 * ArthroStar11 * (+12) Added my language "DostSF 21:27:19 [[User:ArthroStar11]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86178 * ArthroStar11 * (+149) Created page with "Hi, I am the creator of * DotSF ** [https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1SOzu0wSfp2GrheIWAJ4GrzOGcIevpigb?usp=sharing My interpreter (C++ Source)]" 21:57:56 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 23:43:44 [[Logic Gates]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86179&oldid=86173 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+32) External resources, wikilink, etc 23:53:53 [[Parse this sic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86180&oldid=86067 * Digital Hunter * (-4) /* Roman numerals */ shorter. as it turns out, not caring about the mess on the stack helps keep code a little shorter 2021-07-12: 00:03:08 -!- immibis__ has joined. 00:05:44 -!- immibis_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 00:30:06 [[User:ArthroStar11]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86181&oldid=86178 * ArthroStar11 * (+4) 00:49:52 -!- dutch has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1). 01:07:14 -!- dutch has joined. 01:37:10 Is there a internet language code to indicate a made up language in general (rather than a specific made up language)? 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The three kind of blocks are program blocks, stream blocks, and literal blocks; any of these blocks may optionally be huffed. 07:17:01 The program block contains VM codes. Execution stops when it requests input. The stream blocks contain input data for the VM code program; the execution then continues and may produce output, stopping again if the end of the stream block is reached. A literal block is just written directly to the output (after being unhuffed if needed). 07:17:09 Do you think it is good? 07:17:47 sounds pretty good 07:17:51 what kind of VM would you use? 07:18:29 I don't know, but probably some specialized instruction set for this purpose. 07:18:33 any provisions to ensure progress/termination? 07:19:10 if you have a new program block in the stream does it replace the old program? once all the preceding data has run out? 07:20:46 Yes, it would replace the old program once the preceding data has run out. 07:21:52 However, you could also have only overwriting parts of it, and without necessarily restarting it; for some kinds of compression algorithms this might help. 07:35:15 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:40:54 -!- imode has joined. 07:46:47 -!- tromp has joined. 07:49:18 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:51:22 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 07:59:21 -!- riv has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:05:49 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[[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Queereen * New user account 16:00:43 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86210&oldid=86174 * PixelatedStarfish * (+1) /* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ 16:07:44 -!- riv has joined. 16:09:59 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 16:13:30 -!- hanif has joined. 16:33:59 -!- imode has joined. 16:34:47 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 16:41:34 -!- hanif has joined. 16:42:00 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 17:08:48 -!- Trieste has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:26:03 -!- Corbin has joined. 17:26:19 -!- riv has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:21:13 -!- riv has joined. 18:39:44 -!- hanif has quit (Quit: quit). 19:06:36 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 19:26:06 [[INF)xO]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86211 * AmNow * (+1630) Created page with "{{wrongtitle|title=INF>xO}} INF>xO is an esoteric programming language made by [[User:AmNow]]. INF>xO was made so that you can have infinite output without loops. == Commands..." 19:27:21 [[User:AmNow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86212&oldid=85901 * AmNow * (+38) added language 19:28:27 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86213&oldid=86193 * AmNow * (+20) added lang 19:30:42 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 19:49:10 -!- immibis__ has changed nick to immibis. 19:55:07 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 20:33:37 -!- sprock has joined. 20:55:25 -!- tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: tech_exorcist). 20:58:01 -!- sco1 has joined. 21:56:07 -!- V has joined. 22:35:37 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:35:03 [[RHOVL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86214&oldid=85777 * S1(210) * (-1) /* Output formatting */ 23:36:34 [[RHOVL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86215&oldid=86214 * S1(210) * (-172) /* Truth machine */ 23:37:47 [[Self-modifying Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86216&oldid=86209 * Back * (-1) /* Examples */ 23:40:03 [[RHOVL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86217&oldid=86215 * S1(210) * (+46) /* Output formatting */ 23:41:41 -!- slavfox has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:41:58 -!- slavfox has joined. 23:42:20 [[RHOVL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86218&oldid=86217 * S1(210) * (+1) /* Output formatting */ 23:43:20 [[RHOVL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86219&oldid=86218 * S1(210) * (+3) /* For and while loops */ 23:45:43 [[RHOVL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86220&oldid=86219 * S1(210) * (+84) 2021-07-13: 00:14:50 -!- imode has joined. 00:16:54 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (Quit: leaving). 00:42:41 [[User talk:Dtuser1337]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86221 * ArthroStar11 * (+515) Created page with "== Reply to your request == Hello [[User:ArthroStar11]] here. I am responding to your request for a [[BrainfisHQ9+]] interpreter. I'll accept your request. I just have a coupl..." 02:06:13 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 02:08:13 -!- hendursaga has joined. 02:17:48 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86222&oldid=86210 * PixelatedStarfish * (+13) /* The tape */ 02:18:15 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86223&oldid=86222 * PixelatedStarfish * (+1) 02:20:40 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86224&oldid=86223 * PixelatedStarfish * (-45) /* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ 02:22:15 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86225&oldid=86224 * PixelatedStarfish * (+11) /* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ 02:26:01 [[Blood32]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86226&oldid=86225 * PixelatedStarfish * (+55) /* On the Turing Completeness of Blood32 */ 02:27:35 [[User talk:Dtuser1337]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86227&oldid=86221 * ArthroStar11 * (+892) 02:28:20 [[User talk:Dtuser1337]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86228&oldid=86227 * ArthroStar11 * (+1) made update block more readable 03:02:01 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 04:36:15 [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86229&oldid=86187 * KakkoiiChris * (+413) Added my language 'Minim' to the list of implementations 04:51:03 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 05:00:07 [[Minim]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86230&oldid=84868 * KakkoiiChris * (-197) Minim now uses 32-bit floating-point values as terminal values, instead of bytes. 05:46:19 [[User talk:Dtuser1337]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86231&oldid=86228 * ArthroStar11 * (+767) 05:51:50 [[BrainfisHQ9+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86232&oldid=73359 * ArthroStar11 * (+170) Provided link to my implementation and clarified compatibility 05:54:51 [[User:ArthroStar11]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86233&oldid=86181 * ArthroStar11 * (+200) 06:17:39 [[Minim]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86234&oldid=86230 * KakkoiiChris * (+138) Added year of 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2021-07-14: 00:20:20 -!- dutch has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.2). 00:23:44 -!- dutch has joined. 00:47:49 -!- slavfox has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in). 00:50:10 -!- slavfox has joined. 01:13:19 Oog, what's happened to VS code's integrated terminal's font rendering? The letter positioning's gone all wonky. https://zem.fi/tmp/uu.png 01:13:24 It's like one of those ransom notices made from newspaper cuttings. 01:13:56 -!- sco1 has joined. 01:14:09 have you tried turning it off and back on again? 01:14:24 I did, though for an unrelated reason. 01:14:45 I think I've seen things like that (on linux) when fonts/font rendering packages have upgraded 01:15:31 Also, when it's rendering red text, it's all right. It's only white text that's problematic. 01:16:24 In fact, explicitly white text is also fine. It's just the terminal's default colour that's off. 01:17:05 Maybe some sort of a hinting/subpixel thing that's disabled for coloured text. 01:18:29 I'd like it to use the same (bitmap) font I use everywhere else, anyway, I just haven't figured out how to refer to it. 02:15:15 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 02:44:19 [[TMMLPTEALPAITAFNFAL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86249&oldid=38969 * PixelatedStarfish * (+54) /* External resources */ 04:10:22 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 04:50:03 I have had problems getting some programs to use bitmap fonts in at least some cases, especially ones based on GTK. However, btmap fonts will sometimes work for some things in the program, but not others. (There are other things I also dislike about GTK; I think there are many problems with it.) 06:07:24 -!- ^[ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 06:29:26 -!- ^[ has joined. 06:47:33 Do you have PostScript font and encoding vector for PC character set? 07:10:21 -!- Corbin has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 07:19:12 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:36:44 -!- b_jonas has quit (Quit: leaving). 07:40:48 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 07:44:45 [[Annihilator]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86250&oldid=74032 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+0) /* I/O extension */ this thus 07:52:21 isn't vscode an html+css? 07:54:13 -!- arseniiv has joined. 07:54:16 it's good 07:54:26 I use vs code 07:57:10 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 08:00:09 -!- riv has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:04:53 it has an input lag 08:06:15 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 08:08:52 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:25:58 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 08:26:44 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 08:27:12 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 08:28:59 [[User:OrichalcumCosmonaut]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86251 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+292) Create user page (although mediawiki doesnt seem to like gemini:// links -_-) 09:36:16 -!- wib_jonas has joined. 09:44:46 Yes, it's an Electron app, meaning using the Chromium renderer to wrap a webby thing. Still been giving it a chance recently. Hasn't felt noticeably laggy. From some poking around, sounds like not liking bitmap fonts could be a Chromium limitation maybe. The font's known by fontconfig, which is a good start, but it is also in the BDF format; not sure if it'd work any better if converted to 09:44:48 something more modern. 09:49:31 [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86252&oldid=84687 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+1298) /* Add gemini:// to the recognised URI schemes */ new section 10:03:35 [[User:OrichalcumCosmonaut]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86253&oldid=86251 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+0) gemini Gemini 10:20:42 [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86254&oldid=86252 * Fizzie * (+165) /* Add gemini:// to the recognised URI schemes */ Sure, why not. 10:45:30 [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86255&oldid=86254 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+233) /* Add gemini:// to the recognised URI schemes */ saying thanks 11:21:25 -!- tech_exorcist has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:22:09 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 11:44:00 [[INF)xO]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86256&oldid=86211 * AmNow * (-1) example fix 12:42:37 -!- wib_jonas74 has joined. 12:43:01 -!- wib_jonas has quit (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by wib_jonas74))). 12:43:07 -!- wib_jonas74 has changed nick to wib_jonas. 13:12:08 -!- tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: tech_exorcist). 13:18:26 -!- Sgeo has joined. 13:22:14 `olist 1240 13:22:16 olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1240.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas 13:24:09 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Quit: hendursa1). 13:24:29 -!- hendursaga has joined. 13:26:27 -!- hendursaga has quit (Client Quit). 13:26:52 -!- hendursaga has joined. 13:35:58 -!- shikhin has quit (Quit: Quittin'.). 13:36:00 -!- zgrep has quit (Quit: It's a quitter's world.). 13:37:31 -!- shikhin has joined. 13:37:32 -!- zgrep has joined. 13:38:23 -!- shikhin has changed hostmask to ~shikhin@offtopia/offtopian. 15:14:09 -!- delta23 has joined. 15:57:27 -!- imode has joined. 15:57:31 -!- riv has joined. 16:12:48 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 16:17:21 fungot, how deterministic are your implementations of set operations with respect to side effects of the hashing or comparison functions of the contained data types? 16:17:21 wib_jonas: i'll probably ask you; i'd pick up a book on how to do 16:17:38 -!- sco1 has left. 16:17:47 why, thank you 16:19:09 A book on how to ask wib_jonas things. 16:20:57 -!- delta23 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:21:17 -!- delta23 has joined. 16:23:54 yeah, that's hard. even my family hasn't mastered it. 16:27:21 [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86257&oldid=86180 * Digital Hunter * (+1894) /* Example programs */ added a not-very-cheaty quine program 16:32:20 -!- wib_jonas has quit (Quit: Client closed). 17:04:35 [[Minim]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86258&oldid=86234 * KakkoiiChris * (+3512) Added syntax highlighting to the Hello World example program 17:40:43 [[Minim]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86259&oldid=86258 * KakkoiiChris * (+94) Filling out 'Values' subsection 18:06:19 -!- b_jonas has joined. 18:07:37 ah good, we have #esolangs-blah now as the new version of freenode/#esoteric-blah 18:11:07 you know about a floppy disk used as the save icon in software UIs, right. and you know how there are these antivirus softwares that use a shield icon to mean "you are protected". so I have two questions. 1. will those antivirus software now replace that icon with a facemask? and 2. what is the UI metaphor that is obsolete by the longest time? besides shields, arrows are another candidate. 18:13:59 shields are also used as an icon for the toughness and loyalty stats on M:tG cards, but at least that's set in one of those mediaeval fantasy universes where guns haven't obsoleted human-powered weapons yet 18:21:51 [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86260&oldid=78163 * Rdococ * (-492) 18:22:17 [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86261&oldid=86260 * Rdococ * (+37) 18:26:40 `? #esoteric-blah 18:26:42 ​#esoteric-blah blah blah. Blah blah, blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah! 18:26:46 lol 18:29:26 [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86262&oldid=86261 * Rdococ * (+281) 18:34:15 [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86263&oldid=86262 * Rdococ * (+2) /* Computational class */ 18:39:58 -!- tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: tech_exorcist). 18:40:02 [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86264&oldid=86263 * Rdococ * (-20) /* Computational class */ 18:50:27 [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86265&oldid=86264 * Rdococ * (+44) /* Computational class */ 18:55:42 Hmm, did I make HackEso join #esolangs-blah? I think I remember updating that when replicating the setup. 19:00:07 [[Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86266&oldid=84490 * Rdococ * (-111) /* Related languages */ removed mindscrew 19:00:31 HackEso: Join #esolangs-blah 19:00:40 there, he is joined now 19:06:22 The ZOWIE documentation has a typo 19:06:23 "When a value is written into R7, the boolean negation of that value is written into R7: 1 if the value was 0, and 0 otherwise. Reading from R7 always offers the value 7. 19:06:24 " 19:06:39 I think it should be "written into R8". R7 doesn't make sense there 19:06:43 https://catseye.tc/view/ZOWIE/README.markdown 19:17:16 b_jonas: shields are still used in combat 19:17:20 haven't you ever been to a riot? 19:18:56 here both the police and protesters/rioters use infantry formation and shield wall tactics 19:19:27 also bows and arrows are not obsolete, they're commonly used for hunting still 19:19:33 and for sport 19:21:33 I hear the city back home had hired some bowmen to cull the city-rabbit population a little. 19:21:55 Think they're feeling a little more comfortable with bows and arrows than firearms within the city limits. 19:32:17 On the topic of bitmap fonts, I replaced the BDF files with .otb files (that SFNT-based bitmap thing), and while they seem to work the same here in rxvt-unicode (and fontconfig-based tools in general), they're still not showing up in Chrome (and presumably VS Code). :/ Not sure how to debug that. Maybe I need to try Chromium and then poke around in the code. 19:35:58 [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86267&oldid=86265 * Rdococ * (+14) /* Computational class */ 19:36:07 [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86268&oldid=86267 * Rdococ * (+0) /* Computational class */ 19:44:35 -!- immibis_ has joined. 19:45:11 -!- immibis has quit (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by immibis_!~immibis@2a02:3032:404:1b60:a9d2:4a7a:60e:e127))). 19:45:15 -!- immibis_ has changed nick to immibis. 19:54:18 -!- vyv has joined. 19:56:31 keegan: they're not completely obsolete, sure\ 19:56:37 just mostly 20:16:23 -!- vyv has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!). 20:18:26 -!- vyv has joined. 20:19:31 [[Special:Log/move]] move * Rdococ * moved [[Zeno]] to [[Zeno (Archived)]] 20:19:31 [[Special:Log/move]] move * Rdococ * moved [[Talk:Zeno]] to [[Talk:Zeno (Archived)]] 20:19:38 [[Zeno (Archived)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86273&oldid=86269 * Rdococ * (-19) 20:19:51 [[User:Rdococ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86274&oldid=86063 * Rdococ * (-67) 20:32:26 [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86275&oldid=86257 * Digital Hunter * (+65) /* Quine */ a shorter one 20:35:46 Aw. The font in question works in Firefox, but not in Chromium or Chrome. So I guess it's definitely the browser to blame then. 20:37:37 [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86276&oldid=86275 * Digital Hunter * (-715) /* Quine */ that revision's comment was wrong, but I forgot what the procedure for dealing with that is. Instead, I just put an actual shorter one here 20:40:40 [[Parse this sic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86277&oldid=86276 * Digital Hunter * (+3) /* Finite loop */ 20:42:07 [[Parse this sic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86278&oldid=86277 * Digital Hunter * (+0) /* Finite loop */ 20:57:59 -!- sco1 has joined. 21:05:51 -!- spruit11_ has joined. 21:09:20 -!- spruit11 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 21:23:28 -!- Thelie has joined. 21:27:58 Hmm. I think it might boil down to https://codereview.chromium.org/401303002 "Require that FC_SCALABLE is true in Fontconfig queries (matching Blink) --", but attempting to build a copy of Chromium to confirm that feels overwhelming. Especially since I don't really care whether it will work in a browser or not. 21:28:14 Maybe there's a fontconfig way of just forcing it to treat it as a scalable font. 21:31:38 Okay, there is (at least, it makes `fc-match -v` report it as "scalable: True(w)"), but it's not sufficient to make it start to actually work. 21:35:07 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:36:35 [[Parse this sic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86279&oldid=86278 * Digital Hunter * (+4) /* Quine */ 21:55:54 -!- vyv has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!). 22:40:47 I wonder how long does it take chromium to compile today 22:40:55 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Xorol * New user account 22:41:25 was 2,5h on a server in 2013, on previous engine 22:42:05 btw, guys, people from all different countries 22:43:45 -!- Thelie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:47:37 the USSR was a home for many many different nations, that were very different in culture, religion, level of education, etc.; some of difficult nations are living around Caucasus Mountains; to survive in WW2 Stalin was applying different preventive measures of migration 22:49:45 such as sending the criminals to the east, far from the border where the war is going to come to; also he decided to send out some whole nations because they mostly were pretty much unreliable and could even become a nazi collaborationsists 22:51:38 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 22:52:38 so among the nations that were massively forcefully migrated there were Chechens -- those people live without law, they just stab you in the back if they don't like you, they lived in those mountains, and when the war was over and they had to come back... 22:55:52 someone fucked up this process and decades after that several small nations there started arguing about the territory, and they are used to solve the problems only via a fight; that's how the Chechen war started when Russia decided to intervent 'since it was it's subrepublic or something like that 22:56:14 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86280&oldid=86248 * Xorol * (+111) 23:01:11 -!- sco1 has left. 23:01:12 -!- immibis_ has joined. 23:03:50 Chechens started making terroristic acts in Russia, blowing up buildings, metro, cinema, etc.; they wear a specific kind of beard to mak people know that "we are Chechens, we are above the law", they don't attend the university because teaching and working hard is against their culture, etc. 23:03:57 -!- immibis has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 23:06:16 I tell this because I know you don't know it, and when people hear about Chechen problem in Russia they don't really understand what it is and make some wrong parallels with other countries and their problems 23:12:35 the thing is that the Chechen war is over, the terroristic organizations are wiped out by Putin but Moscow and some other big cities are full of Chechens and they all do criminal; they are about 10% of population on streets, and they are above the law 23:14:51 since they don't study and absolutely can't behave they only earn money from crime and sometimes working at stores; and for example, today one such Chechen store worker attacked me, tried to push me out of store and beat me up 23:16:06 the thing is that if that was a Russian guy people would call the police and he would pay for that, but Chechens are allowed to do that; no one called police and even if police comes, they just get bribed and that's it 23:16:23 nakilon: i know there were chechen terrorists, i remember beslan which of course shocked me. however, as a westerner i am suspicious how much you know from personal knowledge and how much you believe because you believe putin propaganda. i don't believe _putin_ at all, of course. i figure any politician who suppresses opposotion or journalism should be considered guilty of all crimes by default. 23:16:39 *opposition 23:16:46 > how much you know from personal knowledge 23:16:48 error: 23:16:48 • Variable not in scope: 23:16:48 how 23:16:53 I lieve among these people 23:18:02 I don't care how much bullshit you've being fed by your mass media 23:18:14 very good. 23:18:33 I just wanted to ask if there are similar national minorities in other countries that are above the law 23:19:29 i actually started reading a lot less news about early 2016 (which in retrospect seems the perfect time to have done so) 23:20:01 try reading sources instead of news 23:20:04 maybe ask locals 23:20:23 and not emigrants or neonazis 23:22:21 i don't think there are many chechens in norway, which may be fortunate 23:22:43 and i don't recall any minority that's above the law here. 23:23:49 ...i just realize my first message did exactly what i accused you of possibly doing. sorry. 23:24:10 that's how reality bubbles work, i guess. 23:24:31 I'm used to russophobia in all its forms 23:24:45 one of them is demonizing the %current_presider/leader% 23:24:52 *nt 23:25:47 i admit that is one of my prejudices against russians, you're _horrible_ at getting good leaders. 23:25:58 [[Versert]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86281&oldid=19010 * Back * (+1649) 23:26:20 of course there are many other countries who are competing at that 23:28:40 i used to think about a decade ago that the one thing china seemed to be getting right, was having strict time limits for leaders. and then Xi got them repealed... 23:28:55 I want call leaders bad who converted the (feodal?) Imperia to an absolutely organized multinational country being leader in many technologies in just 30 years 23:29:27 and no matter how much you read about "gulag" and stuff in fact I tell you that none of my family members were opressed, maybe because they just wre not criminals 23:29:36 (well the one pure political thing. they did get economy right too) 23:30:52 there are too many lies such as people were starving because of Stalin while in fact it was just bad harvest and it can happen anywhere 23:30:56 etc. etc. 23:31:23 [[Tock]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86282 * Silver * (+4041) page created 23:32:01 there is just a ton of fakes about china today too on reddit; people are literally made the website that calls itself a "homepage of internet" a place to spread hate towards two nations 23:32:31 https://imgur.com/a/i6FlRRa 23:32:37 * oerjan regrets getting into this conversation. 23:33:25 yeah my question wasn't about politics, it was just a historical explanation of a local culture problem 23:33:27 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86283&oldid=86213 * Silver * (+11) added link to Tock 23:33:59 [[User:Silver]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86284&oldid=71258 * Silver * (+11) added link to Tock 23:34:25 nakilon: that imgur is you trolling and someone taking the bait trolling back. i don't see how that proves anything. 23:34:58 I like Norway btw, it's beautiful from what I see on youtube 23:35:09 you were basically _asking_ for someone to do that. 23:36:01 and I've read about Norway immigration on wikiepdia -- it shows that numbers are growing fast while there are only like 4 millions of Norwegians, I'm very afraid about your country 23:36:56 oerjan that screenshot shows the hate comment and the reddit administration verdict that it isn't 23:37:34 oh i see. i should keep reading. 23:37:53 sry if I wasn't clear 23:38:32 well, i agree with the administration verdict because of the thing i said before reading it. 23:39:24 it was a joke in response to you basically claiming someone would want to do that. 23:40:17 oh really ..D 23:40:27 [[Versert]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86285&oldid=86281 * Back * (+1818) 23:44:06 [[Versert]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86286&oldid=86285 * Back * (+458) 23:52:42 nakilon: anyway in a higher perspective i think basically all humans are stuck believing things some things that are deeply wrong, whether they are norwegians, chechens, russians, chinese or americans (of either the trumpist or woke extreme, or in between), and that this causes them to misinterpret others who have _different_ sets of wrong beliefs. of course i cannot be sure what _my_ fundamentally 23:52:48 wrong beliefs are, but logically they must exist. 23:53:35 and also logically, i shouldn't necessarily trust others on what they are :P 23:53:45 I heard there is a trick how to know if some stuff is worth buying 23:54:20 -!- spruit11_ has quit (Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.). 23:54:37 -!- spruit11 has joined. 23:55:08 instead of reading the article written for money you read what people write, by adding "is shit" or "sucks", like google "iphone sucks" to find if there is somethuing untold about it 23:55:54 in case of articles about countries you don't live in just take a look what can be lied in the articles about them 23:55:57 it's trivial 23:56:48 once you find a hundreds of debunking you should understand "this media lies" and that's it" 23:57:12 if there are a hundred of lieing medias then "someone pays for it", etc. 23:58:52 i use the opposite trick of never buying anything hth 23:59:30 or just ask yourself why the hell Engilsh internet is producing tons of shit about Russian history 24/7 to feed it to their english readers, while no one in Russia produces shit about American history -- there is no point in it unless it's just your ultimate goal -- to grow a hate 2021-07-15: 00:00:29 the whole topic of hate is just inappropriate in Russian mass media 00:03:07 -!- moon has quit (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)). 00:03:44 for eaxmple, I read the russophobia all over the reddit every day and sometimes in irc, but I can't remember any thread of hate about US in Russian most popular IT website for example -- it just makes no sense, we aren't interested in hate and don't spread it 00:03:55 -!- moon has joined. 00:05:38 the was one stand up comic yet from soviet time, he died few years ago who was joking on americans, building his career on a funny storry teller about how "they are stupid and we are smart" -- just one single man on media and he already died 00:06:56 pretty sure the russophobia is due to the election stuff and the troll farms. 00:07:05 oh dear 00:07:12 stuff like that. 00:07:29 though that can enhance the already racist tendencies of individuals. 00:08:57 was funny to see those Biden votes graphs though 00:09:21 btw, Norway and... imode where are you from? 00:09:47 * oerjan would be surprised if imode isn't american 00:10:19 are your public service businesses have to have a special book where clients can write down all they think about the service and that book is regularly cheked by the government services? 00:10:21 hungarian in spirit, american in birth. 00:10:44 or I guess maybe nordic in spirit, according to how my buddies in denmark describe my views. :P 00:10:50 this thing https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9 00:11:07 we have a couple of things like that. 00:11:14 several Americans on reddit said there is no such thing in US 00:11:40 and I don't see an English page on Wikipedia 00:11:40 the better business bureau. 00:12:29 I wouldn't put my faith in the russian government. I'm struggling to recover my lack of faith in the US government. 00:12:54 so a complaint book is a double edged sword. 00:13:15 the interesting fact is that it appeared thanks to Stalin -- his politics were about giving the citizens a right to tell about problems out loud, that was among the things why people (not those who were sent to gulag for being criminals) loved him and what he built 00:14:14 I'm sure he was a great guy apart from the millions he killed. 00:14:50 this book works -- you come to a store, they do some service badly, you write it to a book and within weeks you get a response on the next page of the book and the business gets fined 00:15:11 -!- int-e has left (what the fuck). 00:15:13 yeah, because customers can always be trusted. 00:15:34 totally want the potential to be fined to be in the hands of customers. 00:15:39 they check the facts 00:15:51 I'm sure the government which now has a de-facto dictator checks its facts all the time. 00:16:20 if you write a bullshit, they respond "quit your bullshit" 00:16:39 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:17:29 you can copypaste hate propaganda any number of times you want -- it won't make it truth 00:17:45 it certainly wasn't copypasting. 00:17:48 because you have nothing to prove the bullshit with 00:18:07 calling anything that you disagree with propaganda is an interesting tactic. 00:18:29 this is now a blatant lie about me 00:18:43 because there was no "calling anything that you disagree with propaganda" by me 00:18:55 I actually have a question, are you russian? 00:19:03 yes I am 00:19:11 this makes a lot of sense. 00:19:18 what sense? 00:19:22 just your demeanor. 00:19:26 general behavior. 00:19:38 disposition. 00:19:45 so now you are judging me by nationality, nice 00:19:52 you can go fuck yourself 00:20:16 nice jump. was really just claiming that you'd defend your national pride, as anybody would, but you do you dude. 00:21:35 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 00:22:02 [[Py256]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86287&oldid=85930 * Makonede * (+47) 00:23:54 I am Russian, I am not nazi or racist, I was born in the most multinational country in the world and the more I speak to foreigners the more I see how they operate with only rumours, and are absolutely unable to differentiate the fact from propaganda, I'm tired of it 00:24:01 -!- sprock has quit (Quit: brb). 00:24:12 ok now that you know you're russian and american and that this perfectly explains why you cannot get along, can you please never talk to each other again twh and i'm sorry for participating. 00:24:34 [[Py256]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86288&oldid=86287 * Makonede * (+30) 00:25:01 (that's irony btw there are other russians and americans in this channel who get along just fine) 00:25:08 -!- int-e has joined. 00:25:23 perhaps we should label things like this as off-topic. 00:25:41 I get along just fine with americans, unless they are some imperialists and russophobes 00:25:41 to prevent 1. flooding the channel and 2. blocking further discourse. 00:25:42 perhaps. int-e, fizzie? 00:25:52 -!- sprock has joined. 00:26:04 though I will say that uh, I wasn't the one that started talking about it. 00:26:38 imode: that's true, but my "uh oh" when you started talking was because i pretty confidentally saw what was coming 00:26:57 just try to deal with the facts at hand, man. 00:27:05 you're a bit like nemeses 00:27:08 and I know there are some people here with nicknames I don't remember well who just love to personally attack and lie on me exactly how I was lied just a page above 00:27:16 meh. 00:27:21 if I have a nemesis it's probably bezos. 00:28:23 nakilon: here's the thing, and I'm speaking to you in a genuine manner, despite the lack of intonation or intent in text: do not develop a victim complex. 00:28:39 it's frankly annoying and seeing as this is "the internet", your reputation is not at stake. 00:28:51 carry yourself as if nobody else matters. 00:29:19 you'll feel a lot happier and won't have to call people out or say you're being attacked. 00:29:42 I just try to make things visible that others are hidhing about themselves 00:30:04 this is either a cultural disconnect or malice and I'm looking to believe it's the former. 00:30:20 people don't need things "brought out of them", and you're too quick to jump the gun on people. 00:30:42 it's perceived as attacks, and you'll get hostility. 00:31:44 you lied about be and then instead of keeping the dialog constructive started saying that all I say is just biased just because I'm Russian 00:32:10 see, I see 'lie' pop up a lot. a lie is applicable only when you know the truth but choose to conceal it. 00:32:17 So... two things. Nakilon should stop bringing up contested political topics. #esolangs is not the right place for this. imode, maybe ignore nakilon instead of goading them on. Yes, nakilon exhibits strong trollish tendencies, but they're tolerable if noone bites. 00:32:25 as in, "you are willingly lying". 00:32:36 pretty sure I've never seen someone accidentally lie. 00:32:40 I ignore him 00:32:50 so when you think people are being uncharitable towards you, maybe perceive it as a misconception. not a lie. 00:33:14 because when you tell me "you're lying about me", that just makes me appear as if I'm a bad party, vs. someone you either disagree with or someone who doesn't understand your position fully. 00:33:38 just sayin'. 00:33:40 Now, can we stop this peacefully or do we need a proper timeout? 00:34:16 feel free to timeout, idgaf. I see this as a cultural misunderstanding rather than trolling. 00:34:17 and I didn't bring the politics, I didn't say that some country does something bad or omeone's leaders are bad or anything, it was brought in by others who just were triggered by some words on their trigger list 00:34:30 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o int-e. 00:34:35 -!- int-e has set channel mode: +q $a:nakilon. 00:34:40 -!- int-e has set channel mode: -o int-e. 00:35:38 timeout it is. (cf. (cf. https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2021-07-14.html#lwc)) 00:35:51 oh yay we have a logging endpoint. 00:36:51 wow I didn't see that context. no comment. 00:37:59 -!- mnrmnaugh has changed nick to awk. 00:41:10 -!- awk has changed nick to mnrmnaugh. 00:45:43 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * CosmicMan08 * New user account 00:50:52 [[Numbers]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86289 * Xorol * (+1301) Created the page 00:55:42 [[Numbers]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86290&oldid=86289 * Xorol * (+439) Added some example programs 00:59:42 [[Numbers]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86291&oldid=86290 * Xorol * (+9) Added caption text to the instruction table 01:01:17 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o int-e. 01:01:27 -!- int-e has set channel mode: -qo $a:nakilon int-e. 01:03:08 [[Numbers]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86292&oldid=86291 * Xorol * (+96) Added a link to the interpreter 01:04:00 [[Numbers]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86293&oldid=86292 * Xorol * (+1) 01:06:07 [[Numbers]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86294&oldid=86293 * Xorol * (+4) 01:08:20 it was not me who brought it in 01:08:55 you linked the wrong log line 01:09:19 on purpose 01:13:39 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86295&oldid=86283 * Xorol * (+14) Added a link to numbers 01:15:30 [[User:Xorol]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86296 * Xorol * (+25) Created page with "Hi! I created [[Numbers]]" 01:26:02 How do you think that FFI should be made working in PostScript? 01:26:19 are there existing examples of FFIs with postscript? 01:26:36 and I guess, is this postscript calling out to C or another language calling postscript. 01:28:21 Yes, I mean calling C codes from PostScript codes. 01:28:39 I don't know if there are any existing examples of FFIs with PostScript, though. 01:29:29 (There is a printobject command which writes a PostScript object to stdout which can be useful for some purposes, but that is for dealing with an external program, not a dynamic library within the same program.) 01:29:35 mm. kinda hard to say, you need a way to set up calling conventions.. 01:35:11 Yes, although it could be needing a C code to wrap calls to libraries that are not meant for this purpose, to convert values, etc 01:43:25 yeah, that's difficult. I think most forths get around this by exposing I/O ports. 01:43:28 or something similar. 01:43:44 well, I know of _one_ forth that does that... not most, most just drop to assembly and do the hard work. 01:44:09 it comes down to "do you want your language to be able to speak C" or "do you want to wall your language off and try to plan for the common cases". 01:47:36 Since it isn't a compiled programming language, I would think it probably need not "speak C" directly; it could use a plugin interface. In addition to defining new operators and reading/writing PostScript memory directory, it may also be wanted for a plugin to install a printer driver too, in case you are doing graphics. 01:47:50 (Such a "printer driver" need not necessarily be for a printer; it might also be a screen or file.) 01:48:12 yeah, you'll need to hot plug stuff in and out of the interpreter and have the calling code support it. 01:49:17 Yes. 01:49:25 that isn't actually a bad idea, though. 01:49:51 what's the difference between that and having the capability to "speak C" regularly. you can issue an interpreter call that says "load this dynamic library". 01:50:07 you'll just need some shim code for the dynamic library to make it speak your language. 01:50:40 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86297&oldid=86280 * CosmicMan08 * (+362) Introduced_yourself&action=edit 01:51:26 Yes, a operator to load a dynamic library is a good idea I think. (It would be disabled in safe mode of course, although libraries that have already been loaded before switching to safe mode can remain loaded.) 01:51:40 [[Wariolang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86298 * CosmicMan08 * (+1609) Created page with "WarioLang is an esolang inspired by the AI system of Warioware D.I.Y, it is created by discord user CosmicMan08#1975. == INSTRUCTIONS == Set [Var] to [Data] ---- Sets a vari..." 01:51:53 you can build a shim generator as well if you know the types involved. 01:53:47 [[Wariolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86299&oldid=86298 * CosmicMan08 * (+9) 01:53:54 wah 01:55:57 Yes, I suppose you can; I think there are programs to do such thing for some programming languages already, it can be added other one too 02:08:32 [[Numbers]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86300&oldid=86294 * Xorol * (+8) 02:08:54 [[Numbers]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86301&oldid=86300 * Xorol * (+0) 02:09:57 [[Minim]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86302&oldid=86259 * KakkoiiChris * (-12) 02:11:10 [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86303&oldid=86229 * Xorol * (+92) Added an implementation in [[Numbers]] 02:11:51 [[Wariolang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86304&oldid=86299 * CosmicMan08 * (+1) 02:12:10 [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86305&oldid=86303 * Xorol * (-49) /* Numbers */ 02:21:13 [[User talk:Graue]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86306&oldid=59021 * Xorol * (+351) 02:21:59 [[User talk:Xorol]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86307 * Xorol * (+0) Created blank page 02:25:48 I had other ideas about improving PostScript too, such as a built-in #! command, a few new font types, a few new resource categories, alpha transparency, some things taken from Ghostscript and from NeWS, etc 02:29:51 I think Adobe said they don't want to make level 4 PostScript 02:43:45 Was it some years ago on the esoteric programming IRC that someone mentioned they saw someone abbreviated Thursday as the Greek Theta? 03:20:19 [[Excellerated Short-Term Memory Loss]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86308&oldid=85695 * PolySaken * (+16) /* Computational Class */ 03:22:45 [[Minim]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86309&oldid=86302 * KakkoiiChris * (-52) 03:23:04 [[Numbers]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86310&oldid=86301 * Xorol * (+32) 03:33:58 [[Numbers]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86311&oldid=86310 * Xorol * (+262) Added an example for the digital root calculator 03:34:22 [[Numbers]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86312&oldid=86311 * Xorol * (+1) /* =Digital root calculator */ 03:40:08 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:54:54 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 07:09:10 nativ lang has a vid on modern use of mayan glyphs 07:19:58 [[Boxes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86313&oldid=86247 * Dominicentek * (+496) Added more instructions 07:21:33 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:59:37 -!- riv has quit (Quit: Leaving). 08:06:49 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 08:08:49 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:28:32 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 08:29:59 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 08:31:19 -!- tromp has joined. 09:59:29 -!- hanif has joined. 10:00:46 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86314&oldid=86240 * ColorfulGalaxy * (+140) /* External Resources */ 10:01:39 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86315&oldid=86314 * ColorfulGalaxy * (+0) /* External Resources */ 10:06:38 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:39:10 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 10:39:15 -!- wib_jonas has joined. 10:40:18 since what version did Windows preserve the case of the current drive, as opposed to the other components of filenames in the working directory? 10:40:35 Was that all the way back to 95 OSR2? I sort of doubt that 10:40:43 -!- delta23 has joined. 11:19:01 -!- arseniiv has joined. 11:27:56 [[INF)xO]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86316&oldid=86256 * AmNow * (+391) added ver and indexing 11:57:27 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 12:14:07 -!- wib_jonas has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:43:07 [[INF)xO]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86317&oldid=86316 * AmNow * (-2) 12:54:41 [[INF)xO]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86318&oldid=86317 * AmNow * (-17) spec update 12:56:15 -!- hanif has joined. 13:09:11 -!- imode has joined. 13:19:05 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Quit: hendursa1). 13:19:49 -!- hendursaga has joined. 13:32:49 [[Boxes]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86319&oldid=86313 * Dominicentek * (+23) Added interpreter 13:38:05 [[Numbers]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86320&oldid=86312 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+54) /* Digital root calculator */ Categories 13:41:22 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86321&oldid=86315 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+101) Summary) (Created by ~~~~ 13:44:23 [[Boxes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86322&oldid=86319 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+50) /* Interpreter */ Cat 13:48:25 [[Wariolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86323&oldid=86304 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+162) Cats, fmt 13:51:14 [[User:AmNow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86324&oldid=86212 * AmNow * (-1) 14:20:34 -!- Sgeo has joined. 14:24:25 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86325&oldid=86144 * PixelatedStarfish * (-9) /* Proof of Turing completeness */ 14:24:46 [[Something]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86326&oldid=86325 * PixelatedStarfish * (+9) /* Proof of Turing completeness */ 14:35:16 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86327&oldid=86321 * AmNow * (+52) why 14:44:45 -!- arseniiv has joined. 14:52:11 [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86328&oldid=86268 * Rdococ * (+82) 15:27:47 [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86329&oldid=86328 * Rdococ * (-153) minor improvements 15:28:23 [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86330&oldid=86329 * Rdococ * (+14) made lowercase 15:29:42 [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86331&oldid=86330 * Rdococ * (+11) /* Computational class */ 15:30:26 [[Special:Log/move]] move * Rdococ * moved [[Flower]] to [[Flower (Archived)]] 15:33:32 [[Flower (Archived)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86334&oldid=86332 * Rdococ * (-173) 15:34:01 [[Special:Log/move]] move * Rdococ * moved [[Algebra]] to [[Algebra (Archived)]] 15:34:11 [[Algebra (Archived)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86337&oldid=86335 * Rdococ * (-19) 15:44:46 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86338&oldid=86327 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+64) ! 15:45:23 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86339&oldid=86338 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+27) ! 15:45:44 [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86340&oldid=86339 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-26) . 16:03:05 -!- riv has joined. 16:58:55 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:00:24 -!- hanif has joined. 17:22:41 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 17:28:01 -!- hanif has joined. 17:40:12 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:47:46 -!- arseniiv has joined. 18:20:21 -!- Corbin has joined. 18:34:30 -!- hanif has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 18:41:10 -!- hanif has joined. 18:45:13 -!- hanif has quit (Client Quit). 19:05:23 [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86341&oldid=86331 * Rdococ * (-56) /* Differences from brainfuck */ 19:05:58 [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86342&oldid=86341 * Rdococ * (-10) /* Computational class */ 19:08:03 hi 19:08:06 whats new? 19:20:47 New in what, specifically? (If you are looking for IRC logs or esolang wiki, then you can easily find that) 19:28:04 just anything cool that was learned 19:28:46 -!- mla has joined. 19:29:24 -!- mla has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:32:15 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:46:23 [[Rayuela]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86343&oldid=83957 * Dreamvoyager * (-1) /* Print all even numbers up to 10^k-1. */ 19:54:48 I made a new version of the PSTOKEN extension for SQLite, which is used for making PostScript tokens output from SQL queries. 20:00:14 https://sqlite.org/forum/info/b1bd78c5e5c8434e I found this when searching for PSTOKEN 20:01:04 interesting 20:01:09 PSTOKEN has { and } 20:01:44 -!- Corbin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:02:53 Yes, it uses {} to make the entire array as a single token. 20:06:23 Also, I have written a JSON parser in PostScript too, although generating PostScript format is more useful, to avoid having to parse JSON or whatever. As the comment there says, it will be useful for making pie charts and whatever other graphics you might want. 20:06:50 That link is the old version though. 20:07:02 The new version is: https://sqlite.org/forum/forumpost/0e2bc16832 20:07:59 cool idea! 20:12:37 Do you use SQL and/or PostScript at all? 20:13:17 not at the moment but i have in the past 20:14:26 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * TJC games * New user account 20:15:58 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86344&oldid=86297 * TJC games * (+185) /* Introductions */ 20:17:00 [[User:TJC games]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86345 * TJC games * (+73) Created page with "Hello! I am TJC games. I play games, do stuff and beep beep like a sheep." 20:19:56 [[Gdelang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86346 * TJC games * (+185) Created page with "Gdelang is an esolang created by TJC games. It's based off of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del_numbering godel numbering], with slight connections to Brainfuck|Br..." 20:23:50 [[Table]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86347&oldid=43284 * Rdococ * (-633) 20:29:43 [[Gdelang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86348&oldid=86346 * TJC games * (+742) 20:29:57 [[Gdelang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86349&oldid=86348 * TJC games * (-20) /* Interpretations */ 20:32:04 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86350&oldid=86295 * TJC games * (+16) Godelang 20:40:49 [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86351&oldid=86279 * Digital Hunter * (-2) /* Quine */ a shorter one 20:53:00 `? unicorn 20:53:03 unicorn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 20:53:53 . o O ( let x = corn in unix ) 20:55:08 Uniikki unikorni olikin korni koni. 21:20:29 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSng_Us9dg I like this youtube series 21:20:50 https://www.youtube.com/user/NativLang/videos and recently this 21:25:10 I realised that the way people are taught about the Earth rotating around Sun is pretty much wrong and useless, and doesn't help to understand how the sun moves over the sky 21:25:32 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 21:25:59 I also checked several pages of google and yandex image search results and found nothing close to what I would like people to see to learn it, so I drew it myself 21:27:01 I learned about analemma recently 21:29:06 people are not taught that while South and North are points on the horizon the East and West are not, and people realise it only after they spent years of their lives, preferably living in the same place to observe the cycle 21:29:36 north is a point on the horizon? 21:29:50 ; also people are told that the Earth axis has an angle of 23.5 degrees but how to use this knowledge? where is the polar day and night? why they exist? it's not really explained 21:30:42 riv the point that you can get my drawing a line down from the star that is not rotating during the night 21:31:11 I did a OU course on astronomy 21:31:18 it was relaly good 21:31:45 we had 1 year of astronomy in school, but at least in my school, the teacher sucked 21:31:47 anyway 21:32:33 [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86352&oldid=86351 * Digital Hunter * (+1403) /* ROT13 cipher */ a slightly more legit one 21:32:50 [[Parse this sic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86353&oldid=86352 * Digital Hunter * (+1) /* ROT13 cipher */ 21:33:20 we have the equatorial coordinate system 21:33:36 the key to understanding is that you should not imagine the Earth rotating around the Sun, because it has no practical use and it's hard to derive the rest of the things unless you had a course of descriptive geometry that is taught only to engineers basically 21:33:50 yeah 21:33:58 the math of this stuff is highly involved 21:34:09 the earth is basically a massive gyroscope 21:34:14 my idea is to imagine that the Sun is running in spiral over the sphere 21:34:24 so it not only orbits and spins but precesses 21:34:25 https://i.imgur.com/Eec618c.png 21:35:07 I think that this was originally noted by Newton 21:35:43 it's trivial and important to know that the earth is kind of rotating around the sun, not the opposite but it's only practical when you launch the satellites and it's not the all the truth anyway, only an approximation, but the problem is that this imagining is not useful on the earth 21:36:07 it's kind of a pointless distinction 21:36:18 you have two bodies in space with gravity influencing each other 21:36:22 the sun is much more massive, so it moves less 21:36:29 but it is not "fixed" 21:36:40 yes 21:36:45 if you want to set up a coordinate system, you can use either the earth or the sun as an origin 21:36:56 not something to behead people over 21:37:23 or whatever happened back then 21:37:33 the thing is how the hell kid is supposed to understand what path the sun is running over the sky when you say it's a ball rotating around another ball that with an angle 21:38:17 hehe 21:38:34 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analemma#/media/File:Analemma_fishburn.tif 21:38:37 check out this analemma image 21:38:52 i think that is super cool, but also could be used to help explain it 21:40:22 oh and btw, the sun path is a key to understanding to how the sun clocks work 21:40:38 ask random person how to make it -- they'll have no clue 21:40:53 > Analemmas (as they are known today) have been used in conjunction with sundials since the 18th century to convert between apparent and mean solar time 21:40:55 :1:52: error: parse error on input ‘in’ 21:41:14 im not sure what this means, but it sounds relevant 21:41:36 "This can be interpreted as how "fast" or "slow" the Sun (or an analemmatic sundial) is compared to clock time." 21:42:21 understanding that sun is goins in spirals over the sphere and assuming it's shifting the cycles in Sin function way it becomes trivial to calculate the day length 21:42:34 *going 21:42:40 that's a good intuition to have 21:42:48 -!- mla has joined. 21:42:58 btw 21:43:01 i read more details about leap seconds 21:43:21 so far, they have only every added seconds - never removed them 21:43:25 but they would if needed 21:43:31 and they can not predict leap seconds 21:43:50 they just measure when they are required 21:44:05 some of the the things that cause the time drift are not known 21:44:20 and othres are just too chaotic to predict, can only be measured 21:46:25 -!- dutch has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1). 21:47:56 -!- dutch has joined. 21:48:14 riv https://www.reddit.com/r/ExposurePorn/comments/106czv/sunrise_analemma_17_individual_images_taken_at/ 21:48:27 this subredit has such images sometimes 21:49:05 nice one! 21:57:22 I know some things about astronomy. I had once plotted the analemma using Astrolog (using its capability to avoid clearing the screen between frames) 21:59:40 ah that's cool! 22:00:04 I used stellarium 22:00:25 https://www.astrolog.org/astrolog.htm wow 22:02:10 "created using Microsoft FrontPage, page last updated April 11, 2021." :D 22:03:15 it's in Mars calendar 22:03:37 Ooh, a counter and all. 22:04:38 -!- kee has joined. 22:04:49 ISP is acting up again 22:05:07 Does anyone remember what that tiny x86-specific language was called? 22:05:57 All the instructions are ASCII letters, and the interpeter just jumps into overlapping x86 instructions. 22:06:19 when I was a child I remember counting hundreds of thousands of stars in the most clear nights; recently I found a local astronomer with youtube channel and on stream I asked him if I'll ever be able to see this amount again like back then, or is sky polluted already with light, satellites, and my eyesight is old 22:06:58 https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tom7/abc/paper.pdf kee? 22:07:16 nakilon, yeah... :( 22:07:28 and he said "ahaha, wtf, you could not see it, it's 6000 stars" -- you know why? just because he has read it in our 1980s astronomy school book and didn't really try to count on his own 22:07:28 i always want to go to a remote place to see the stars well, I saw the milky way once, it wa good 22:07:45 that was a bit... disappointing 22:08:48 meanwhile wikipedia says, I just checked: "Depending on local sky cloud cover, pollution, humidity, and light pollution levels, the stars visible to the unaided naked eye appear as hundreds, thousands or tens of thousands...." 22:09:17 so idk why he just quotes the old book 22:09:51 oh I didn't see milky way for years 22:10:27 riv: It's not ABC. I'm thinking of an interpreter tens of bytes long, not a C compiler. 22:11:46 sounds interesting 22:12:27 Yeah. But because it's less than 100 bytes, I can't search for it. 22:13:18 haha 22:19:37 The MiniMAX interpreter is that small, but it doesn't otherwise resemble what you said too much. https://esolangs.org/wiki/MiniMAX 22:23:54 Though clicking a few links forward from there, https://esolangs.org/wiki/Golf lists a few of the shortest implementations, and both MinISCule and Barely sound to be a bit in that direction. 22:24:23 you certainly can see a lot of stars, but you have to go to somewhere that's far from cities for it, and then look at night when the weather is suitable. I don't like going to places that are far from cities, so I'd rather leave that sort of thing to other people and automated telescopes. 22:25:07 Here if I go to one of the darker places within the city, I can see tens of stars on a clear night. 22:25:22 fizzie: I was thinking of Barely, I think. Thanks. 22:27:53 We went out of the city a while ago, and I was hoping to see some stars, but since it was the middle of summer as well, it never really got *that* dark. It's not as bad as back home (or further up north), but even here at summertime it never dips below astronomical twilight to true night. 22:31:30 Better than in London, though. Here's how it looked like to the phone: https://zem.fi/tmp/stars.jpg 22:37:33 -!- Thelie has joined. 22:52:49 fizzie: that's a lot of stars 22:53:41 The phone exaggerates a little, I think. It takes 4 minutes to collect all those stars, for example. 22:56:52 4 minutes? and you have a rotating tripod thingy for that? 22:56:55 I remember a much more impressive sky from back when I was pretty young, and got off a bus to visit a friend in the countryside in the middle of the winter, but I can't be sure if it *was* actually substantially better, or if it's just one of these things where your mind makes stuff up. 22:57:01 No, it's done in software. 22:57:20 AIUI, it takes repeated 15-second exposures and then merges them together to account for the motion. 22:57:35 well it could impress you more even if it's the same visuals 22:57:42 nice 22:57:51 https://ai.googleblog.com/2019/11/astrophotography-with-night-sight-on.html has a bit of the detail. 22:59:43 I don't generally bother with trying to photograph a starry sky, because that's one of those things that other people can and will photograph better, and photos of it are available on the internet easily, unlike some other targets that I photograph where I can't just get photographs made by others for various reasons 22:59:55 They had just added an extra feature where it also makes a timelapse video clip of the whole thing (so you get the motion of the stars visible too), but AFAICT you can't extend it to more than the 4 minutes, so it's just a one-second clip, which is a bit of a shame. 23:00:11 as in, the starry sky is basically the same viewed from anywhere, so why bother? 23:00:28 Yeah, this was mostly an excuse to use the feature, after having read about it. 23:00:34 (yes, I know some parts are only visible from the south, but still) 23:01:04 Also, you can do a photo that is part something you don't see everywhere else, and part the starry sky. 23:01:21 that you could do, yes 23:01:48 I should try to do timelapses of clouds some day though 23:01:59 though that's also something you can download anywhere 23:02:25 fizzie: You have to do compositing (a bit more sophisticated than HDR) to get that. 23:02:47 No, you don't, it's all part of the astrophotography feature. 23:03:00 I mean, someone has to, I guess. 23:03:08 Wow, that's neat. 23:03:13 For example, here's the building we stayed at: https://zem.fi/tmp/stars2.jpg 23:03:54 not bad. in what country is that? is it Finland? 23:04:35 Here's one with a bit more of the house: https://zem.fi/tmp/stars3.jpg 23:04:44 Nah, it was a place here in the UK. 23:04:49 -!- kee has left (⭘). 23:07:11 ok 23:31:33 -!- Thelie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:54:21 -!- hendursaga has quit (Quit: hendursaga). 23:56:07 -!- hendursaga has joined. 23:56:33 [[INF)xO]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86354&oldid=86318 * AmNow * (+19) computational class fix 2021-07-16: 00:02:53 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:06:11 [[Gdelang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86355&oldid=86349 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+71) Cats) (Wikipedia link 00:18:40 -!- Corbin has joined. 00:40:15 [[Talk:FFM/FFB]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86356&oldid=85359 * Enoua5 * (+291) 04:36:13 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 05:42:50 -!- arseniiv has joined. 05:46:38 -!- arseniiv has quit (Client Quit). 05:58:49 -!- arseniiv has joined. 06:29:19 -!- zegalch has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:29:44 -!- zegalch has joined. 06:50:58 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:31:31 [[Gdelang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86357&oldid=86355 * TJC games * (+113) /* Interpretation */ 07:32:50 -!- hendursaga has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:33:13 -!- hendursaga has joined. 07:33:44 [[Gdelang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86358&oldid=86357 * TJC games * (+19) 07:35:34 [[Gdelang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86359&oldid=86358 * TJC games * (-114) /* Interpretation */ 07:54:11 -!- Hooloovoo has quit (Quit: Temporarily refracted into a free-standing prism.). 07:56:21 -!- Hooloovoo has joined. 08:12:23 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:13:32 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 08:13:51 -!- hendursaga has joined. 08:23:08 -!- tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: tech_exorcist). 08:23:44 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 08:26:42 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 08:28:23 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 08:28:23 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 10:30:04 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:33:57 -!- hanif has joined. 10:53:33 [[FlipJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86360&oldid=86127 * Tomhe * (+1029) /* The Assembly Language */ add namespaces syntax 11:11:01 [[FlipJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86361&oldid=86360 * Tomhe * (+37) /* Namespaces */ example updated 11:27:27 -!- arseniiv has joined. 11:42:30 -!- wib_jonas has joined. 11:43:54 today I learned that the pulse encoding for telephone numbers on rotary telephones had three (or maybe four or two) incompatible versions, so if you tried to use a phone in the wrong country or region, the digits printed on it would be wrong, and you'd have to permute your phone number before dialing\ 11:44:05 s/permute/transliterate/ 11:45:05 maybe this is what motivated introducing the DTMF encoding, so that they have one standard instead of three? 11:45:34 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Eidotter * New user account 11:45:40 and yes, I know that never works as in https://xkcd.com/927/ 11:49:37 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86362&oldid=86344 * Eidotter * (+187) /* Introductions */ 13:08:25 Is there an attempt to make a dialect of C++ where you can optionally qualify pointers and variables to have rust ownership/reference semantics, in a way that's backwards compatible to traditional C++ compilers in that there's a header that lets you compile your code on those by macroing away those qualifiers, whereas a compiler that supports these 13:08:25 features can do the full type and lifetime checking? 13:08:51 [[Gdelang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86363&oldid=86359 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-10) Unpipe 13:10:05 to be clear, this would be backwards compatible with existing C++ code, because pointers or variables that aren't qualified with the new keyword(s) would have C++'s looser semantics, not rust ownership 13:10:12 -!- nakilon8 has joined. 13:12:53 -!- Taneb0 has joined. 13:13:15 -!- moon7 has joined. 13:13:28 -!- lifthrasiir_ has joined. 13:14:22 I think you'd need like two keywords, let's say `own` so `T *own foo` declares a rust-like mut reference to a T, `T *const own foo` declares a rust-like const reference to T, `struct U { own T foo; };` declares foo as a member that the structure owns, etc, a variant of own that lets you specify a lifetime in parenthesis, and a bunch of presumably 13:14:22 template types for essential abstractions of rust 13:14:44 -!- Taneb has quit (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Taneb0))). 13:14:48 -!- Taneb0 has changed nick to Taneb. 13:16:10 There could also be additional features that aren't compatible with existing C++ compilers of course, like rust enums 13:16:28 -!- Bowserinator_ has joined. 13:17:06 -!- citrons_ has joined. 13:18:49 -!- zegalch has quit (*.net *.split). 13:18:49 -!- Corbin has quit (*.net *.split). 13:18:49 -!- moon has quit (*.net *.split). 13:18:49 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (*.net *.split). 13:18:49 -!- citrons has quit (*.net *.split). 13:18:49 -!- nakilon has quit (*.net *.split). 13:18:49 -!- Bowserinator has quit (*.net *.split). 13:18:49 -!- moon7 has changed nick to moon. 13:18:50 -!- nakilon8 has changed nick to nakilon. 13:19:09 -!- zegalch has joined. 13:27:44 -!- Corbin has joined. 13:30:16 prawnsalad confirmed what I was saying https://gist.github.com/prawnsalad/4ca20da6c2295ddb06c1646791c61953 -- that all this crap was nothing else than echochamber made by tomaw to make pawns flame the channels, copypaste fakes and spread the hate with no reason 13:31:49 now I still wait for apologizing for multiple collective false accussations and defamation on me for just telling to stop 13:34:55 You and I have taken very different lessons from all of this. For example, I've paid attention to who seems to have gained @ hats on Freenode; more than a few acquaintances have gone mask-off and embraced a sudden rush of power, it seems. 13:42:51 wow there's people on freenode? 13:47:53 riv: obviously, since there are people who don't use IRC as frequently as I do, and when they log on after several month they don't know in advance about the drama and are surprised to find their irc client conencting to the broken pieces of freenode 13:48:08 presumably after that they'll quickly figure out which networks people have moved to 14:01:46 -!- delta23 has joined. 14:06:04 I'll have my old years old birthday soon. I'll feel old after that. 14:07:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qD9XElTpCE 14:07:16 The Story of Shor's Algorithm, Straight From the Source | Peter Shor 14:29:02 -!- Sgeo has joined. 14:35:28 -!- vyv has joined. 14:40:50 -!- tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: tech_exorcist). 14:52:55 [[Gdelang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86364&oldid=86363 * TJC games * (+165) 14:53:07 [[Gdelang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86365&oldid=86364 * TJC games * (+1) /* Interpretation */ 14:54:31 I'll have my old years old birthday soon. I'll feel old after that. => hugs. I’ll have kinda old age in a couple of months too, though I think your age should be older so I shouldn’t be as sad 14:55:08 well I thought exactly the same around my last few birthdays, and will probably think the same for every birthday the next few decades 14:56:54 [[Gdelang]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86366&oldid=86365 * TJC games * (+10) 15:01:35 "One of my guiding principles, also, has been the scientist's motto 'Take nobody's word for it' (nullius in verba), a corollary of which is that if scientists as a whole denounce an idea this should not necessarily be taken as proof that the said idea is absurd: rather, one should examine carefully the alleged grounds for such opinions and judge 15:01:35 how well these stand up to detailed scrutiny." http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/ -- this was in ru wikipedia page with "missing reference" tag, added it, it's right on his Cambridge homepage 15:10:36 -!- Bowserinator_ has changed nick to Bowserinator. 15:22:04 in that Peter Shor's video the blue book behind looks like Spelunky Jetpack 15:23:56 -!- wib_jonas has quit (Quit: Client closed). 15:24:13 haha 15:29:11 lol this is ironic https://i.imgur.com/Crfembw.png 15:29:44 he tells about error correction and there is sqrt(1) on the slide 15:29:48 is that correct? 15:30:09 hehe 15:30:13 correct THAT 15:32:45 why would that be a problem? 15:33:34 riv: good, albeit short, nickname! ;D 15:34:56 hey! 15:42:47 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 15:47:47 -!- riv has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:27:56 sqrt(1) is multivalued. Is it 1? Is it −1? Is it a hyperbolic unit j? Or −j? And when we have two such units j, k which anticommute, we have an explosion of the form (j cos t + k sin t), as squared that gives 1 + (j k + k j) cos t sin t = 1. I think we can deal with commuting j, k too but I forgot how 16:36:37 sqrt(0) is of course even worse as you can multiply any nilpotent and it still remains nilpotent 16:36:50 I man, quadratic nilpotent 16:36:58 s/man/mean 16:58:53 -!- riv has joined. 17:05:09 arseniiv: that's irrelevant, in this case it's clearly a typo for sqrt(8) 17:19:24 [[Tack]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86367 * AmNow * (+1387) Created page with "Tack is an esoteric programming language, with only one symbol: !. Tack was made by [[User: AmNow]]. == Commands == In Tack, the ! symbol marks to do the command..." 17:20:00 [[User:AmNow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86368&oldid=86324 * AmNow * (+16) Lang 17:20:50 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86369&oldid=86350 * AmNow * (+11) /* T */ 17:22:51 b_jonas: I know :) 17:26:03 -!- hanif has quit (Quit: quit). 17:31:53 [[Tack]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86370&oldid=86367 * AmNow * (+12) 17:40:05 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 17:45:23 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Newtykins * New user account 17:48:36 arseniiv don't you usually write +/-sqrt(1) then? 17:48:57 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86371&oldid=86362 * Newtykins * (+336) /* Introductions */ 17:54:02 -!- Melvar has joined. 17:58:14 -!- immibis__ has joined. 18:01:20 -!- immibis_ has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 18:19:23 [[T a b]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86372 * Newtykins * (+765) Created page with "t a b is a minimal esoteric programming language for the 23rd century. It is pretty much the exact same thing as [[Small]], but even more arbitrary and harder to read! Made by..." 18:20:19 [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86373&oldid=84764 * Newtykins * (+104) /* General languages */ 18:26:45 nakilon: impossible for things other than complex numbers, unfortunately, as there are usually too many 18:27:06 for example there is a whole sphere of quaternions which square to −1 18:28:32 having fun with https://codeparade.itch.io/webcam-fractals 18:29:10 what a simple concept and this is pure IFS world, nothing fancy 18:30:25 but with analog-ish dynamics as a natural consequence of its design. And the experience when you hold a webcam in your hands! 18:32:01 nice videos he does make, too 18:32:08 its author 18:45:42 -!- tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: tech_exorcist). 18:54:34 -!- vyv has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!). 18:55:36 [[Inse]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86374 * BurningApparatus * (+1585) Created page with "'''Inse''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] where code can be stored in memory as strings and can be run later. Its syntax is similar to BASIC where a command is follow..." 19:01:38 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86375&oldid=86369 * BurningApparatus * (+11) /* I */ 19:20:57 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 19:26:06 [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86376&oldid=86342 * Rdococ * (+0) /* Computational class */ 19:58:39 -!- moon has quit (Quit: leaving). 19:59:07 -!- moon has joined. 20:06:19 -!- immibis__ has changed nick to immibis. 20:29:40 [[Talk:Gdelang]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86377 * TJC games * (+106) Created page with "im on my kindle lool ~~~~" 21:07:43 [[T a b]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86378&oldid=86372 * Newtykins * (+158) 21:08:11 [[T a b]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86379&oldid=86378 * Newtykins * (+33) 21:42:01 http://www.leapsecond.com/ 21:42:05 check out this site about leap seconds 21:45:01 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 21:55:11 -!- imode has joined. 22:14:02 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (Quit: leaving). 22:25:30 [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86380&oldid=86353 * Digital Hunter * (+812) /* ROT13 cipher */ a fully more legit one 22:32:43 [[T a b]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86381&oldid=86379 * Newtykins * (+88) 23:30:55 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:52:50 [[T a b]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86382&oldid=86381 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+148) Cats and a Lowered Title 23:53:21 [[T a b]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86383&oldid=86382 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) Unusbale) -> (Unusable 23:55:56 [[Inse]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86384&oldid=86374 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+49) int)(1 + 1 2021-07-17: 00:03:58 -!- Noisytoot_ has joined. 00:12:42 -!- Noisytoot_ has changed nick to Noisytoot. 00:37:50 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:40:20 -!- immibis_ has joined. 00:42:40 -!- immibis has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:55:19 Failed hCaptcha three times in a row. I guess I'm not human. :/ 01:01:55 `? captcha 01:01:58 captcha? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ 02:13:15 [[Minim]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86385&oldid=86309 * KakkoiiChris * (+674) Finished Values and Arrays sections 03:17:14 [[Stupidc]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86386&oldid=81533 * Not applicable * (+47) 03:20:45 [[Minim]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86387&oldid=86385 * KakkoiiChris * (+3054) /* Memory */ Finished 'Memory' subsection, complete with comprehensive examples 03:32:15 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 03:33:22 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (Client Quit). 03:33:53 -!- PinealGlandOptic has joined. 03:36:03 -!- PinealGlandOptic has quit (Client Quit). 04:03:58 [[Parse this sic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86388&oldid=86380 * Digital Hunter * (-11) /* ROT13 cipher */ "a shorter one" 04:04:49 [[Parse this sic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86389&oldid=86388 * Digital Hunter * (+1) /* ROT13 cipher */ oops, sorry 04:05:40 fizzie: nah, there are some really bad captchas out there that you often fail even if you're a human. and ones that are flat out broken in some browsers. 04:07:16 Google recaptcha used to fail in both of those ways at some point: on some sites it failed to work in debian 10 firefox, though this seems to have been fixed since, and it used to be close to impossible to solve with javascript disabled, though much easier with javascript enabled. 04:08:33 Some of this may not count as failures from the perspective of Google's goals of course, but when I want to charge my mobile phone account with money and vodafone.hu chooses to use that captcha, then I don't care about that. 04:24:28 [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86390&oldid=86389 * Digital Hunter * (+917) /* ROT13 cipher */ explained what's going on with my mess of a "compacted" program, as it is not very obvious how to follow it at first 04:30:32 I really dislike reCAPTCHA. Before, it was at least possible to solve the audio CAPTCHA (the one with pictures is impossible), but now it seems that doesn't work. I am not the only one; I have seen others who had problems with it too. 04:33:57 [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86391&oldid=86390 * Digital Hunter * (+286) /* Truth-machines */ i'm tired and should probably not be doing this right now 04:34:33 I think that a ASCII-text-only "SASL CAPTCHA" could be made up, and then can be used with any protocols. If SASL is added into HTTP too then also HTTP 04:42:56 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Nite). 05:04:45 [[Minim]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86392&oldid=86387 * KakkoiiChris * (+689) Started filling out the specifics of each statement type 06:26:36 -!- mnrmnaugh has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:04:36 https://ludovicianul.github.io/2021/07/16/unicode_language_version/ wtf, this sucks 08:07:11 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 08:09:45 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 08:20:58 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 08:26:24 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined. 08:29:33 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 08:29:36 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life. 08:57:14 -!- immibis__ has joined. 08:58:20 -!- mcfrdy has quit. 08:59:45 -!- immibis_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 09:03:52 -!- immibis__ has changed nick to immibis. 09:06:15 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:22:46 -!- mcfrdy has joined. 09:35:27 -!- Guest98 has joined. 09:40:21 [[RingCode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86393&oldid=41771 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (-14) /* Describing the Tengwar */ link to the image directly 10:15:15 -!- Guest98 has quit (Quit: Client closed). 10:15:16 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 10:58:27 -!- arseniiv has joined. 12:16:02 -!- mnrmnaugh has joined. 12:21:25 [[User:Lyxal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86394&oldid=85906 * Lyxal * (+14) 12:21:36 -!- Thelie has joined. 12:24:46 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:26:36 [[Vyxal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86395&oldid=85912 * Lyxal * (+84) Added influences properly this time; also, the online interpreter uses https kekw 12:33:43 -!- arseniiv has joined. 12:52:35 -!- immibis_ has joined. 12:55:03 -!- immibis has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 12:58:42 -!- tech_exorcist has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:08:11 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 13:14:37 [[Yaren]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86396&oldid=78805 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+8) /* Synopsis */ De facto 13:51:56 zzo38, have you tried powershell? 13:54:00 -!- mnrmnaugh has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 14:03:37 -!- delta23 has joined. 14:05:22 -!- Thelie has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:06:43 -!- mnrmnaugh has joined. 14:33:06 -!- immibis_ has changed nick to immibis. 14:40:07 there is something weird about the facepalm emoji IIRC 14:40:29 there was a male and female versions of it, but then in youtube you became able to only print female one 14:40:40 or something like that 14:49:24 https://i.imgur.com/MDGsxcj.png it was something like if you wanted to print female one you had to type male one and then a Venus char, i.e. it was a multigraph; but then it stopped working 15:11:03 -!- delta23 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 15:15:59 -!- mla has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 15:17:13 -!- keegan has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 15:17:26 -!- keegan has joined. 15:25:12 -!- delta23 has joined. 15:55:47 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 15:56:16 -!- hendursa1 has joined. 16:06:03 [[ISEW2C]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86397 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+615) Created page with "{{stub}} ISEW2C (It Is Esolang With 2 Commands) - Esolang for imitating [[Turing machine]] By [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] that has 2 Commands! ==Tutorial== 3 [x] [y] [z] - if [x..." 16:15:00 -!- mnrmnaugh has left (Leaving). 16:42:42 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 17:09:29 riv: I don't really like Unicode and mostly don't use it, and I don't use Unicode regular expressions, and only ASCII file names. 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All data must be encoded into the structu..." 21:54:20 [[Woodchuck/Implementation]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86400 * Rdococ * (+2024) Created page with "This is a (naive) Woodchuck interpreter written in Lua, along with a function to translate brainfuck to Woodchuck through the method described in the main article. 
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21:55:59  [[Woodchuck/Implementation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86401&oldid=86400 * Rdococ * (+48) 
21:56:30  [[Woodchuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86402&oldid=86399 * Rdococ * (+19) added impl
21:57:42  [[Woodchuck/Implementation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86403&oldid=86401 * Rdococ * (+4) typo fix
22:00:19  [[User:Rdococ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86404&oldid=86274 * Rdococ * (+69) added woodchuck
22:03:46  [[Woodchuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86405&oldid=86402 * Rdococ * (+20) adjusted wording
22:04:37  [[Woodchuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86406&oldid=86405 * Rdococ * (-1) /* Translation from BF */ wording
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02:30:09  [[Pith]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86407 * ZippyMagician * (+5935) Initial version of page
02:30:42  [[User:ZippyMagician]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86408&oldid=80681 * ZippyMagician * (+10) Add pith to made esolangs
02:31:46  [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86409&oldid=86375 * ZippyMagician * (+11) Add pith
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02:40:53  [[Calligulan Assembly]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86410 * ArthroStar11 * (+2371) created page and provided link to my interpreter
02:43:01  [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86411&oldid=86409 * ArthroStar11 * (+26) added my language "Calligulan Assembly"
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02:45:13  [[User:ArthroStar11]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86412&oldid=86233 * ArthroStar11 * (+144) 
02:54:16  [[Talk:Calligulan Assembly]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86413 * ArthroStar11 * (+411) Created page with "== A question == Hey, I'm new to writing implementations so I have a question  So my implementation instead of reading and converting the roman numerals line by line, it conve..."
02:59:55  oh wow. I just got a reply that a bug report that I sent in 2011 was fixed.
03:01:14  it might have been fixed years ago, mind you, they just closed the ticket now
03:01:20  I don't really know
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03:09:26  What bug was that?
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04:16:35  https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=68804 zzo38 
04:19:10  OK
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04:35:31  b_jonas: perhaps the responder has a habit of looking at exactly 10 year old unsolved bug reports, the timing fits
04:36:00  oh wait, june not july
04:36:06  well pretty close anyway
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06:16:07  One of my ideas is to make a text-based pokemon battle simulator in C. What do you think would be considerations, comments, etc in your opinion? One thing that someone else mentioned is Spinda, but I already considered how to work that.
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07:01:00  `5 w
07:01:04  1/2:cow//A cow is an animal best served at minus zero degrees Celsius. \ asap//ASAP, in code golf, means as small as possible \ virgil//Virgil is a prayer at dawn, as well as an ancient Italian poet who led Dante to hell so they can ask the blind transgendered seer Anchises stupid politics questions concerning contemporary noble families. \ gey//I know nothing about Gey, sir. \ morse//-- ..- .-. ... ..- / --- -. / ... ..- ..- .-. ..
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07:01:10  2/2:-.- --- -.- --- .. -. . -. / ...- . ... .. . .-.. .-.- -- .-.- .-.- -. / ... --- .--. . ..- - ..- -. ..- - / .- .-. -.- - .. -. . -. / -. .. ... .-.- -.- .-.- ... .-.. .- .--- ..
07:01:50  `5
07:01:53  1/2:1199)  or to put it weirder, a continuation is the same as an expression zipper. \ 91)  like, just like I'd mark "Bob knob hobs deathly poop violation EXCREMENT unto;" as English   alise: that's great filler   ais523: well it contains all the important words in the english language... \ 576)  where is this going. why is this going. \ 390)  god created the natural numbers, the rationals were don
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07:01:56  2/2:e by man and the work was finally completed (topologically) by satan himself \ 982)  My opinion is that you are all wrong, as far as I can tell.
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08:45:28  [[Woodchuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86414&oldid=86406 * Rdococ * (+40) 
08:45:50  [[Woodchuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86415&oldid=86414 * Rdococ * (+10) 
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13:19:11  has anyone use something like this? https://www.chessprogramming.org/Zobrist_Hashing 
13:19:16  *used
13:28:42  [[Transposed]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86418&oldid=74721 * ZippyMagician * (-18) Change computational class
14:06:49  [[Woodchuck/Implementation]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86419&oldid=86403 * Rdococ * (+566) 
14:34:54  [[User:Lyxal]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86420&oldid=86394 * TwilightSparkle * (+131) 
14:51:45  [[Swapfuck/Implementation]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86421 * Rdococ * (+1582) Created page with "[[swapfuck|Back to swapfuck]]  Here is a rough implementation of swapfuck in Lua. The "while zero" loop described in the main article has been included in this..."
14:52:45  [[Swapfuck/Implementation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86422&oldid=86421 * Rdococ * (+14) lowercase title
14:52:59  [[Swapfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86423&oldid=86376 * Rdococ * (+109) added impl
14:58:09  [[Special:Log/move]] move  * Rdococ *  moved [[Tautologos]] to [[Tautologos (Archived)]]
14:58:09  [[Special:Log/move]] move  * Rdococ *  moved [[Talk:Tautologos]] to [[Talk:Tautologos (Archived)]]
14:58:23  [[Tautologos (Archived)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86428&oldid=86424 * Rdococ * (-19) 
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16:44:35  [[RASEL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86429&oldid=85878 * Nakilon * (-2) /* Factorial */ 2 chars smaller
17:01:53  [[RASEL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86430&oldid=86429 * Nakilon * (-12) /* Prime numbers generator */ shorter, DRYer
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17:19:06  [[RASEL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86431&oldid=86430 * Nakilon * (+1) /* Nth Fibonacci number */ sequence indexing was shifted by 1
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18:56:19  [[Ark]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86432 * Spargle * (+1700) Created page with "== Ark: The esolang that is actually kind of useful. == {| class="wikitable" |+ Usage |- ! Character !! Function !! Status |- | : || Terminates the program. || Required |- | !..."
18:57:41  [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86433&oldid=86411 * Spargle * (+10) /* A */
19:00:15  [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86434&oldid=86433 * Rdococ * (+15) /* S */ swapfuck
19:01:07  [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86435&oldid=86434 * Rdococ * (+16) /* W */ Woodchuck
19:02:05  [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86436&oldid=86435 * Rdococ * (-11) /* H */ remove harp
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20:33:07  [[Special:Log/upload]] upload  * Spargle *  uploaded "[[File:Ark logo.png]]"
20:33:22  [[Ark]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86438&oldid=86432 * Spargle * (+29) /* Ark: The esolang that is actually kind of useful. */
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00:37:34  [[Talk:Redstone]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86441&oldid=86398 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+176) Reply to /* Is it really turing complete? */
00:38:52  [[Redstone]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86442&oldid=84312 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-29) Remove category) (Turing complete
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03:55:45  How much sand is there in a hourglass with a duration of one hour? Is it enough to hide anything inside? (Although, I would expect that the hourglass will nto work very well if something is hidden inside)
04:31:37  the volume of sand will depend on not only the duration but the size of the aperture it flows through
04:32:19  i have a 5 minute hourglass tea timer and it has enough sand to hide a microSD card, probably
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06:36:22  https://www.research.ibm.com/haifa/ponderthis/challenges/July2021.html they're doing number theory questions now
06:38:08  https://www.janestreet.com/puzzles/current-puzzle/ kind of like those pen and paper puzzles
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09:19:54  [[Deadfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86447&oldid=86446 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+0) /* Implementations */ alphabetical ordering (oops)
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10:16:48  [[Deadfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86449&oldid=86448 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (-2) /* Standard ML */ unnecessary pair of parentheses
10:32:07  09:38:07  https://www.janestreet.com/puzzles/current-puzzle/ kind of like those pen and paper puzzles
10:32:37  I do't get it, where are 6 and 1 from?
10:33:44  They are the "the areas of connected unshaded squares in the completed grid".
10:34:11  So the one white square at position (1, 1), and the six white squares near the bottom-right corner.
10:34:56  ooooh
10:35:14  and 3 = 3*1*1, etc
10:41:49  can the number be unshaded?
10:43:35  I think not. It says "these [numbered] cells are in the shaded region."
10:45:40  It reminds me a little of some of the Simon Tatham's Portable Puzzle Collection puzzles (specifically, Range and Rectangles), except fancier.
10:46:23  you mean that android app?
10:46:37  It's not just an android app, it's also avaialble on desktop and web
10:46:38  that is now calle "Puzzles" so it impossible to find in play market
10:47:09  it's cool guys, that you know it too, I'll show the one I liked the most
10:48:42  this one https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/js/loopy.html#5x5t7dh#503486241268460
10:49:57  I set some bigger ustom size of grid either am possible to solve within a hour long trip or it stays unsolved for months, like the current one on my phone
10:55:05  I think I played too much loopy. I used to be able to solve them without any problems almost all the time and I got bored of them
10:55:19  It's been a while though so I might have enough rust for it to be fun
10:57:47  I'll share the seed then when I find it ..P
11:03:26  I yet don't understand the symmetry; when I project from one corner to another it immediately gets wrong
11:04:34  I played quite a lot of Loopy too (on tube rides mostly), but I think only on the square grid, so all my reflexes are tuned for that.
11:09:52  ah I see
11:10:31  no I don't
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11:35:27  I completed that seed you linked, btw
11:46:07  solved
11:46:22  Taneb nice, it was random one  though
11:46:29  just what my browser generated ..D
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16:17:41  [[Woodchuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86454&oldid=86453 * Rdococ * (-12) 
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18:14:49  [[Rule]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86457&oldid=86456 * Rdococ * (+397) /* Sections */
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18:25:17  [[Mindshit]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86461&oldid=86460 * CosmicMan08 * (+55) Added some clarification
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20:43:00  [[Pinocchio]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86463&oldid=84523 * Xxmarijnw * (+194) Add some implementations
20:43:21  [[Pinocchio]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86464&oldid=86463 * Xxmarijnw * (+3) This is MediaWiki, not Markdown
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22:14:07  https://nickdrozd.github.io/2021/07/11/self-cleaning-turing-machine.html
22:18:59  Wow. Congratulations to all involved.
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23:02:48  Do folks work with any sort of realizability besides natural or real numbers? Sometimes these are "number" and "function" realizability.
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23:18:35  https://mathoverflow.net/questions/199162 tries to list off some alternative possible topologies, and those are definitely worth considering. (Strong whiffs of Stone duality here.)
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23:26:20  nakilon: loopy is my favorite too
23:27:24  Taneb: after i got too good at loopy, i occasionally try to solve it by _only_ adding or _only_ deleting edges (except when checking at the very end)
23:28:19  I did finish that one pasted Loopy, but it took a long time.
23:30:49  i use(d) to cycle through the tatham games (with a few exceptions) although i took a long break and only just started again
23:31:21  I pretty much only did them in the tube, and now I haven't been taking the tube for a year and a half or so.
23:31:32  ic
23:32:30  last i did was bridges, which is way too easy even on the most difficult level, i ended up playing it so fast my fingers start aching
23:33:53  next up would be dominosa, which is pretty slow in the beginning as i need to search through the entire board a lot between finding a move
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23:36:34  but loopy is like a whole puzzle collection of its own, due to the varied geometries
23:40:07  [[Pinocchio]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86468&oldid=86467 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+25) /* Implementations */) (This is Implemented
23:47:51  I failed to find foolproof algorithms for some Loopy variants. IIRC "Florets" was the one that always escaped me.

2021-07-20:

00:01:02  hm i think that's one of the trickier ones, but not unsolvable
00:01:09 * oerjan tries one
00:02:22  as usual, there's some easy catches around the outer rim
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00:04:52  next i found some neighboring 4's, which tends to give a lot of information
00:13:29  argh i've made a mistake
00:13:39  (it was going too easily)
00:14:07  now time for the painful backtracking
00:14:25  I haven’t done these in quite a while …
00:15:13  Tried a Florets one, and apparently I still have muscle memory even though I don’t always remember why the patterns are valid.
00:16:54  There’s something with clusters of threes in the florets arrangement where in certain configurations a small inroad can solve most of the cluster.
00:18:26  oh found the error (maybe)
00:20:30  solved
00:22:36  i didn't have any clusters of three 3's
00:24:13  i don't think my algorithm for florets is anything other than the general ones
00:24:42  although there are many general tricks.
00:26:22  sometimes there is parity, which can pass information a long way before it actually gives a definite edge/absense. although for this one, i think it was very local.
00:27:46  *absence
00:29:33  (local being something like: if you have a meeting of three edges where you know from counting the parity of two of them, then you know the last one concretely
00:29:36  )
00:31:08  the thing with the 4s i mentioned is in general "neighboring numbers each one which is exactly one less than the number of surrounding edges"
00:31:23  Yeah, that’s pretty basic.
00:31:41  although in floret it happens for 4s, in some others you can have e.g. one 2 and one 3
00:33:16  snub-square is one that does that
00:38:23  one rule i found which is nice and took me very long to notice: if you have >-< pattern where two neighboring edges of degree 3, and you know that there are exactly 2 edges in the loop in the upper line then there are exactly 2 in the lower as well
00:38:45  *two neighboring vertices have degree 3
00:40:35  also, 0 <-> 0 and 1 <-> 3
00:41:13  but the 2 case is the least obvious, because the reasoning differs for each pattern
00:41:27  oh wait
00:41:46  3 -> 1 but 1 can be either 1 or 3
00:43:01  i suppose that's also a form of parity, but with a little extra info sometimes
00:43:24  and in some geometries you can get long chains of deductions that way
00:43:50  honeycomb in particular
00:45:52  when you have a row of neighboring hexagons with numbers in them, and know the number in the loop among the three edges at one end
02:01:45  My idea to encode a canonical Huffman tree is: The first bit specifies whether the maximum code length is odd or even, and then the sequence of numbers, which can be abbreviated by omitting the bits that are already known by the time the previous bits have been read (sometimes all bits will be known, in which case that number can be encoded as zero bits).
02:02:59  The sequence of numbers is for each code length, the number of codes of that length, and then the values for the codes of that length, ordered starting with the lowest value of that code length, and then the highest, and then secondly lowest, and then secondly highest, etc.
02:04:35  What would you think of such a thing like this, please?
02:38:59  Hmm, https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/loopy.png is something I don't recall doing before: the inner white area mist connect to the outside somehow, but one of the routes (to the top) is blocked by known inner areas and a known line that bridges them... so the connection must go the other way.
02:39:10  mist->must
02:40:04  (I believe that this can occur in the standard orthogonal version as well, which I've played quite a bit)
02:41:46  oerjan: I have used parity reasoning before, counting intersection of the path with some cross section of the whole board.
03:30:41  int-e: interesting, i'm not sure i have _ever_ directly used the fact that the loop must divide the board between an inner and outer part, the windows version i use doesn't show colors like that to make it obvious
03:30:53  jordan curve theorem ftw
03:32:23  is that new, maybe i should upgrade
03:34:45  although i quickly get there with my method by noticing that the line between the remaining 3's must be in the loop
03:36:23  *common border line
03:44:12  ok i'm confused, i seem to see two different solutions
03:46:47  wait duh one doesn't connect the inner white area
03:47:32  which of course i've just claimed i wouldn't use, so how do i solve it...
03:50:24  oh i see. i would detect that the line connecting the right 3 to the outside cannot be in the loop because it would close the outer part of it
03:53:35  which i suppose is a _form_ of "inner and outer areas must connect", but more limited (and perhaps a dual view?)
04:00:57  i suppose loopy's solubility check algorithm might not know about that logic you described, in which case it could not accept a puzzle that _required_ it to solve.
04:02:51  (istr tatham writing somewhere that some of the puzzles cannot generate arbitrary hard instances because they're limited by the solving algorithms included to check that they're solvable)
04:03:16  (which are not always fully general)
04:03:49  and loopy is probably np-complete
04:10:23  well [[wikipedia:Slitherlink]] claims so, although the link is dead
04:10:58  s/claims so/has an external link to such a claim/
05:19:31  [[Brainfuck++++++++++++++++++++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86469 * CosmicMan08 * (+4048) Created page with "brainfuck++++++++++++++++++++ (or just bf19) is a joke derivative of [[Brainfuck]] by CosmicMan08#1975 ([[User:CosmicMan08]] meant to parody other brainfuck derivatives that j..."
05:22:13  [[Brainfuck++++++++++++++++++++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86470&oldid=86469 * CosmicMan08 * (+1) closed some parenthesis
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10:36:51  [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86475&oldid=86474 * Matthilde * (-1) it's not "an sult" it's a "a sult"
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10:53:32  hi
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11:27:16  hi esolangers
11:58:38  let's see if oerjan still logreads... I added the colors manually for illustration, it's not a feature of the puzzle implementation
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12:38:43  puzzle?
12:39:43  Razetime: Context here was https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/loopy.png and the Loopy puzzle. https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2021-07-20.html#lL
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14:46:35  .someone has been inpersonating me in the wiki, someone told me to contact you to talk about this
14:46:38  oops
14:46:41  hexchat won't work
14:46:42  aaa
14:47:47  .
14:53:11  Hmm, fizzie maybe?
14:53:36  matthilde: I think your complaint will be seen, though it may take a while.
14:54:34  ah ok
14:54:36  i was dming ais
14:55:00  in short uh, someone made an account under the name of Matthildef*ckingslut
14:55:16  and added "Hi my name is Matthilde, my site is matthil.de and I am an slut"
14:55:18  Yeah, we have a wiki logging bot
14:55:31  when I first seen it, I took it easy and fixed their typo just because lol
14:55:38  but I came here to tell it before it gets out of hand
14:56:00  (if ever it even gets out of hand)
14:56:49  matthilde: do you know why someone would want to inpersonate you in this way?
14:57:34  absolutely not, someone guessed it was because of my sexual orientation but i am not really open about it
14:57:40  I have no conflict with anyone around
14:57:48  It's... not something I can remember seeing anything like on the wiki before
14:58:01  yup
14:58:22  i have no conflict with anyone that's the thing that makes me really confused
14:58:52  even less in the esolangs community
14:59:27  Taneb: Well, we've had a few fights. The worst one so far was the ColorfulGalaxy one that spilled over from LifeWiki (as far as I understood)
14:59:53  i don't know what is the lifewiki
15:00:09  oh
15:00:10  ooh
15:00:13  that's the game of life wiki
15:00:15  matthilde: It's an unrelated example.
15:00:19  ah ok
15:02:33  There's usually the question with trolls who have not really done much yet (yes, they left an insult; we can remove that)... do you give them the satisfaction of getting banned.
15:02:59  i suppose not
15:03:31  idk i just took it easy and played their game by fixing the typo they left
15:05:24  Maybe somebody's irritated at your wiki actions? This sort of random lashing-out was something I saw a lot on English Wikipedia.
15:06:31  huh
15:06:43  Corbin: Matthilde has done not a huge amount on the wiki so I'd be surprised it that was it
15:06:45  lol that's weird cus as of today i only have done contribs in my own pages
15:06:52  i have around 5 contribs or so
15:07:13  i didn't even noticed it by myself, it's a friend of mine that notified me about it
15:07:17  [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86476&oldid=86475 * Int-e * (-61) Remove entry not following the instructions. Oh and it was needlessly offensive too.
15:08:04  (entries should be at the end and signed)
15:08:05  that reminds me i should go more often in this wiki, there is very interesting stuff in there
15:08:16  <3 having formal reasons for cleanup
15:12:53  I've been thinking for a while about writing an optimizing brainfuck compiler to a) learn how to write a compiler (I've never actually really done it before) and b) see if my idea for recognizing and optimizing loops that calculate a polynomial does any good on real programs
15:16:36  b) probably not once it goes beyond multiplication
15:19:04  The real challenge would be to identify control flow, and that's pretty hard. Basically you have to reverse engineer the tape layout. And you may have to deal with fancy unbalanced loops (my own terminology; a loop is balanced if its body doesn't change the tape pointer)
15:24:04  I think it's exceedingly unlikely anyone's planning to use a username like that (meaning the one with the insult in it) for contributing positively, so I'd be happy to just block it, though I've no idea whether doing that would have any sort of net positive effect on anything.
15:24:57  matthilde: ^
15:26:36  i'll just hope nothing like that will happen in the future
15:26:38  we'll see
15:27:37  yeah, if you can, don't overthink it. internet trolls don't need a reason to do something. having an opinion can be enough... a random tweet... an email... whatever.
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15:38:32  Huh, Brainfuck gives a Type 2 computer; it takes a stream of natural numbers (a computable real number) and emits another stream.
15:41:13  int-e: I like implementing brainfuck interpreters, more than writing brainfuck programs lol
15:41:29  brainfuck is very simple but can be a challenge to write an optimized interpreter
15:43:40  In university I won a brainfuck programming competition
15:44:21  It's my proudest achievement
15:46:14  (there were two people who entered)
15:48:08  The final challenge was to write an ASCII art banner generator. Someone here (I can't remember who) gave me a simple bitmap font they'd made and I used Haskell as basically a macro language for brainfuck
15:48:16  Taneb: 2 people, so it was a competition.
15:48:39  Right, I was wondering whether code generation would be involved.
15:49:01  Sadly I have lost both the generating and the generated code
15:49:11  The trouble with writing Brainfuck is that it's fun... at small sizes... and gets very tedious very quickly.
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15:49:19  I could probably get the latter by asking the society that ran the competition nicely
15:50:15  int-e: yeah, definitely. I hand-wrote my entry for all the other challenges, though
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16:04:29  Taneb: ooh! nice!
16:05:02  i ended up 2nd on some esoteric programming language competition
16:05:16  basically we had to write an esolang that includes turtles
16:05:28  so i wrote turtleC
16:05:43  (cursed)
16:06:49  https://git.unix.lgbt/matthilde/turtlec/src/branch/master/programs/rpn.trt
16:06:57  an rpn calculator written in this language
16:21:48  the first thing that comes to mind when anyone says turtle is the graphics lib
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16:40:16  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdO3IP0Pro8
16:40:20  I highly recommend this
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17:26:53  [[Woodchuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86477&oldid=86455 * Rdococ * (-42) 
17:27:17  [[Woodchuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86478&oldid=86477 * Rdococ * (-7) /* Introduction */
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18:10:28  22:14:07  https://nickdrozd.github.io/2021/07/11/self-cleaning-turing-machine.html => cool stuff, thanks for sharing
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00:06:24  [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86480&oldid=86476 * Everydayispain * (+180) /* Introductions */
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00:25:16  [[Tsaf]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86482&oldid=86481 * Everydayispain * (+69) 
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01:16:35   let's see if oerjan still logreads... I added the colors manually for illustration, it's not a feature of the puzzle implementation <-- ah
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01:58:00  who solved https://www.janestreet.com/puzzles/current-puzzle/ ?
01:58:37  it says last updated yesterday but my name isn't there
02:08:35  https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/loopy.png -- there is one solution here because rules say "single closed loop"
02:08:37  not two
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02:33:31  nakilon: I know.
02:43:57  nakilon: i know too, i just somehow missed that it broke in two on first try
02:45:51  which may happen when you try to solve it in your head from a .png
02:50:06  [[Self-Recursive Brainfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86485 * LarhoCherqi * (+2072) Created page with "Self-Recursive Brainfuck is a joke derivative of 8-bit [[Brainfuck]] (Brainfuck where every cell can have 256 values) by Larho#9031 ([[User:LarhoCherqi]]) with an extra # inst..."
02:56:56  This only happened because I was hopelessly out of practice.
02:59:25  (If you fail to visualize even a couple of lines reliably, it's attractive to look for conclusions that don't require adding new lines... tracking inside/outside was somehow easier at that moment.)
03:17:54  (And apart from that, patterns were lacking... there is a local conclusion that can be drawn just from the right one out of the two unsolved 3s and I didn't find that yesterday.)
03:27:29  yeah
03:39:59  [[Self-Recursive Brainfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86486&oldid=86485 * LarhoCherqi * (+34) 
03:49:45  [[Self-Recursive Brainfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86487&oldid=86486 * LarhoCherqi * (-1) 
03:50:08  [[Self-Recursive Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86488&oldid=86487 * LarhoCherqi * (-1) 
03:51:24  [[Self-Referencing Brainfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86489 * LarhoCherqi * (+38) Redirected page to [[Self-Recursive Brainfuck]]
05:04:27  int-e: hm i was archive binging a bit after reading today's girl genius and found this https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20190930
05:04:56  i didn't notice back then, but it fits my idea that maybe albia did something to krosp
05:05:43  (allowing him to betray vapnoople)
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06:53:59  What I should think added into HTML is a command (probably a JavaScript function) which disables all further network access and optionally also writing to local storage; this way if you have a single file HTML application you can download it and add such a command to disable network access if it has any.
06:54:55  (This way it can be set in each individual file if wanted)
07:01:30  It is similar to the pledge function in BSD, I suppose
07:08:59  [[Repetition Legitimizes]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86490 * LarhoCherqi * (+1135) Created page with "Repetition Legitimizes is a joke esolang created by [[User:LarhoCherqi|Larho#9031]] with only 2 commands. It has a memory of 24 cells that overflow once the value in them goes..."
07:09:43  [[Repetition Legitimizes]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86491&oldid=86490 * LarhoCherqi * (-1) /* Cat */
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13:08:43  [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86492&oldid=86480 * Martysh12 * (+168) Martysh12 introduction
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15:34:36  re: the recent incident on the wiki, I have no idea who's behind the account in question, but the username is unacceptable (because its apparent purpose is to attack another user) so I blocked the account on that basis
15:36:12  fwiw, although I haven't seen something like this on Esolang before, I've adminned other wikis and I've seen similar incidents on other wikis (of someone joining a site just to attack a particular other user there)
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16:05:49  [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86496&oldid=86492 * Chefton14 * (+173) /* Introductions */
16:08:28  [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86497&oldid=86436 * Everydayispain * (+11) /* T */
16:15:32  [[Special:Log/move]] move  * Chefton14 *  moved [[Esolang:Community portal]] to [[Help:Community portal]]
16:15:32  [[Special:Log/move]] move  * Chefton14 *  moved [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] to [[Help talk:Community portal]]
16:18:10  [[Tsaf]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86502&oldid=86484 * Everydayispain * (-110) 
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20:24:03  [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * Barongello *  New user account
20:29:29  [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86504&oldid=86496 * Barongello * (+207) /* Introductions */
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20:50:07  [[User:Sanscicondos]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86506&oldid=83056 * Sanscicondos * (+0) 
20:52:17  [[StairCase]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86507 * Barongello * (+19384) Created page with "= StairCase Language =  Esoteric programming language created recreationally to just add one more weird language to [https://esolangs.org Esolangs] and learn a little bit abou..."
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20:53:54  [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86509&oldid=86497 * Barongello * (+16) /* S */
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22:56:07  [[Self-Recursive Brainfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86511&oldid=86510 * LarhoCherqi * (+30) /* Examples */
23:02:59  Is there the possibility in Linux (or other operating systems) to create a temporary file which is associated with two other files as the key to access it?
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23:22:06  [[Brainfuck++++++++++++++++++++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86514&oldid=86513 * CosmicMan08 * (-1) /* Quines */
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00:13:48  [[Tsaf]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86518&oldid=86502 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+49) /* external resources */ cats
00:33:23 <^[> zzo38: Could you elaborate on "associated" and "key"?
00:33:57 <^[> Do you mean something along the lines of hard or symbolic links?
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00:44:26  ^[: I mean that if you have a link to two files, that pair of links will be like the name of the temporary file
00:46:29 <^[> But either piece of the pair can't be sufficient on its own to access the contents of the temporary file?
01:11:54  Yes, like that
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10:55:28  [[User:Dominicentek]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86521&oldid=86246 * Dominicentek * (+48) 
10:57:22  [[Gibberish (programming language)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86522&oldid=49043 * Dominicentek * (+35) /* See also */
10:58:22  [[TextGarbage]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86523&oldid=86520 * Dominicentek * (+54) 
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13:30:44  new to irc, is this working
13:33:13  Yes? Maybe. Who knows.
13:34:04  is the discord more active than the IRC or?
13:36:37  There's a discord?
13:36:42  This place is pretty active
13:37:28  There's at least two discords.
13:37:37  I think there was some sort of a factional schism between them? 
13:38:10  (All I know about the topic is what I read between the lines from the community portal page.)
13:48:05  hm
13:48:30  I'm about to submit a revision but still not sure about whether I should or not
13:48:56  completely alters the explanation for Deadfish/Constants, page hasn't been touched for 6 years
13:49:33  *4 years
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15:08:57  The words "pretty active" may have been overselling it a little.
15:12:41  It's more active than other IRC channels I'm in!
15:12:50  There's sometimes even multiple conversations a day!
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15:28:58  hmmm... I should look up those Discords. I use Discord now, and might as well look what we direct people to from the wiki
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15:37:25  Huhwhat.
15:37:43  Someone moved Esolang:Community portal to Help:Community portal.
15:38:44  For no apparent reason that I can think of.
15:41:45  odd. 
15:42:31  and all the links point to the former
15:43:00  I'd say move it back
15:43:21  even the sidebar links to the former
15:43:58  Yeah, it's just going to be a little noisy. But "Help:" isn't a namespace we really use -- there's just two redirects *from* Help: to Esolangs: namespace pages, and two very random pages (Help:Dottyweb and Help:Too vague) in it. https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:AllPages?from=&to=&namespace=12
15:44:00  and it's a new user, that's their only edit after Introduce yourself
15:44:34  I think I'll move it back with a description suggesting discussing on the talk page if there's a specific reason why it would be better under Help:.
15:44:37  no [[Help: I'm stuck in a wiki factory]] or similar? ok
15:46:57  [[Special:Log/move]] move_redir  * Fizzie *  moved [[Help:Community portal]] to [[Esolang:Community portal]] over redirect: Revert "Community portal" page back to "Esolangs" namespace - please discuss on talk page if there's a reason why "Help" would be better
15:46:57  [[Special:Log/move]] move_redir  * Fizzie *  moved [[Help talk:Community portal]] to [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] over redirect: Revert "Community portal" page back to "Esolangs" namespace - please discuss on talk page if there's a reason why "Help" would be better
15:46:57  [[Special:Log/delete]] delete_redir  * Fizzie *  Fizzie deleted redirect [[Esolang:Community portal]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[Help:Community portal]]"
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15:48:15  Of course I got the namespace wrong ("Esolangs" vs. "Esolang") in the edit message. :/
15:48:26  that's why I type Project:
15:48:39  easy to type and works on basically all mediawikis
15:48:49  Singular project name + plural domain is a good combination.
15:49:00  no need to learn the localized names of the wikis
15:49:14  in wikimedia projects those are so random in languages
15:49:22  some were even changed after they got created
15:51:42  the namespace should have been called Meta: originally, but it's too late for that now
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15:52:06  In any case, what I was *going* to say before I got distracted by the move was, there was some mild edit-warring on Community portal (around March 2021) regarding what seemed to be like some sort of a disagreement between the two Discord servers.
15:54:22  By the way, are those things called "servers" because you actually host them in some way, or is it something you just set up on the singular service provider's infrastructure? 
15:54:31  the latter
15:54:36  "server" is completely inappropriate
15:54:48  Thanks, I've been wondering.
15:54:58  they're just a group of channels with shared moderators/owners
15:55:49  or at least shared main owners by default, I think you can set more fine-grained permissions for moderation under them
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16:26:46  https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/js/loopy.html#10x10t0dh#316277475083927 has way too many 2-s.
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16:48:27  I think the discord servers are actually called “guilds” in the API. Because it’s supposed to be a thing for gaming groups.
17:03:33  [[TextGarbage]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86529&oldid=86526 * Dominicentek * (+7) Fixed example
17:10:03  I guess "group" was too mundane when they were looking for more mainstream nomenclature.
17:21:29  Clan, tribe, cult, sect, clique, coterie, ... lots of words they could've used.
17:21:33  I think maybe a group refers to “group dm”, i.e. a pseudo-channel located in one’s private messages rather than in a guild.
17:23:08  `` wn coterie -over | tail -n1
17:23:10  1. clique, coterie, ingroup, inner circle, pack, camp -- (an exclusive circle of people with a common purpose)
17:27:14  fizzie: these all seem to have weird connotations
17:28:52  I think that IRC is much better than Discord with many ways, inclduing that you do not need to use their service and you do not need any Discord software to access IRC, you can use it even without IRC software too (although it works better if you do have, still it is at least doable without). Although some have bridges to connect between IRC and Discord (and possibly other protocols/services too)
17:30:06  *nod*
17:30:07  IRC > *
17:30:24  The IRC for ZZT discussions is a bridge with the Discord that I had suggested and someone implemented it, I think there are only two people who mainly use the IRC (I am one of them)
17:33:11  I saw a program that is bridging many more services/protocols too than just that (although I have not used it)
17:35:32  You mention the "Help:" namespace in wiki is not of much use, but a summary of the wiki formatting might be a thing to put there, I suppose
17:39:52  IRC doesn't have images or voice calls though
17:41:32  I don't have strong opinions on what should live in the "Esolang" (project) namespace vs. "Help" namespace, I just didn't see a particular reason to move Esolang:Community portal, especially since it has a links to the old name. Things that are clearly more help-pagey could be there, I suppose, though it seems we've opted to redirect Help:Contents and Help:Editing to Esolang:Help instead.
18:20:27  It seems to be impossible to do separate compilation in safe Rust 
18:21:17  A rust file cannot declare an external Rust function and call it without a unsafe {}
18:23:01  what do you mean by separate compilation? each crate is compiled separately
18:23:36  if you mean building .o files from two crates completely independent of each other and then linking them together then yes, that has to go through the C ABI
18:23:56  yes I mean separate compilation
18:24:28  the native rust model is that you don't have header files, rather the metadata embedded in an already-compiled crate is what provides the information needed for safe and high-level linking
18:25:52  so you have to build a crate before you can build something that depends on it
18:26:05  and you can't have circular dependencies between crates
18:26:34  (but you can have circular deps between the modules / .rs files within a single crate, because those are all combined into one logical AST and compiled at once)
18:26:46  (modules are the unit of namespacing and visibility; crates are the unit of compilation and linking)
18:27:36  Why is the metadata not included inside the .o file
18:28:29  it's included in a .rlib file which is Rust's version of a .o file
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18:28:45  you rarely encounter raw .o files in a rust project
18:28:56  only if you're making a component that will be linked into a C / C++ / other old school system
18:29:55  Okay. Can I compile two .rs files into their respective .rlib files and then link them into an executable?
18:30:06  the point though is that the equivalent to a header file is generated by the compiler, not written by the programmer, and therefore you need to compile a crate before you can compile things that depend on them
18:30:21  oren: yes but not independently of each other. you have to compile one before the other can import it
18:30:50  because the .rlib contains the information equivalent to what a header file provides in C++
18:30:54  function signatures, types, etc
18:31:47  it's rare to be mucking around at this level
18:31:51  almost all rust projects use cargo
18:32:05  which handles all this stuff
18:32:31  you just say what crates you want to use and they are built and made available
18:33:01  it's nice, but it's not the same as C or C++, so if you want to force it to work the way C or C++ works then you'll probably have a bad time
18:33:23  But I don't want to download all my dependencies and recompile them every time
18:33:31  it doesn't recompile them every time
18:33:35  it's cached in the build directory
18:33:44  and also downloads are cached systemwide i think
18:34:06  idk it's been a long time since i worked with this stuff
18:34:09  maybe you should ask in a rust help channel
18:38:05  cargo can also handle local deps and not only stuff downloaded from crates.io
18:38:26  you can have a whole tree of crates each containing many modules and build the whole thing with a single cargo invocation
18:38:37  and it will cache results and only rebuild what it needs to
18:39:21  crates are typically pretty big though. an entire library or a substantial chunk of one
18:39:53  when C was invented in nineteen dickety twelve computers had tiny amounts of RAM and it made sense to compile practically every function separately and then link them
18:40:19  these days whole-program or whole-library compilation is common even in the C/C++ world
18:41:21  I did on a rust discord.... apparently noone ever tried to uhhh
18:41:21  declare an extern "rust" { fn b(x:i32) -> i32; } and then call it
18:41:21  like, the rust compiler doesn't trust itself to generate safe object code
18:41:35  since Rust is a newer design it went with a larger default for compilation unit size; all the .rs files within a crate are a single compilation unit and can refer to each other
18:42:18  Rust doesn't have a stable ABI; if you built such extern "rust" stuff with two different compiler versions and then linked it, you could get undefined behavior
18:42:40  do you have an actual reason to do things this way instead of the way you're supposed to?
18:43:16  if you pretend that Rust is the same as C with externs and header files and independent compilation then you're gonna have a bad time
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18:46:13  just because it's a systems language, does not mean that they have to do everything the same way C does it based on design constraints that are 60 years out of date
18:47:20  separate compilation means that an error in once file doesn't cause every other file to not compile
18:47:59  too bad
18:48:11  you can't compile a crate without first compiling its dependencies
18:48:12  deal with it
18:48:33  i'm hardly a rust stan so if you think this means rust is garbage then feel free
18:49:07  keegan: yes, and this model with crates only works if (1) you recompile everything, because the ABI isn't yet stable between versions of rust, and (2) you don't have circular dependencies among crates. Otherwise, you have to use the C model of exporting a stable foreign interface with a stable C ABI, importing those with explicit header files (this can be done in pure rust, no C bridge), then your ABI 
18:49:13  is stable and you can have circular dependencies and don't have to rebuild everything when you upgrade the compiler. 
18:49:27  correct
18:49:38  but you lose the ability to use rust's expressive types in your interface
18:49:56  you're really not supposed to have circular dependencies between crates
18:49:57  The choice of which one you want to do is yours. And I think, "future" C++ is moving towards this model too, with new style C++ modules or whatever they're called, and GHC already used this model with Haskell.
18:50:03  yes
18:50:22  But like... the only thing preventing me from calling the function is rustc's insistence that doing so is unsafe
18:50:28  it's very similar to GHC except that GHC keeps the .hi files separate from .o files, whereas Rust bakes it into a special metadata section (and calls the result a .rlib)
18:50:30  keegan: yes, but I don't particularly mind losing those types, because I'm a C++ programmer and I know how I want to represent my data, especially between compilation units, so I don't feel like that's a drawback.
18:50:44  keegan: the drawback is that the import header isn't typechecked to the export header.
18:50:50  Is there a way to automate that?
18:50:55  oren: it is unsafe, because you could link objects created with different rustc versions that compile the same type in different ways
18:51:22  But the object files contain metadata that says what they were generated by
18:51:48  oren: but what if the object files don't exist yet?
18:51:55  ?
18:52:07  if you already compiled the other crate then you don't need this nonsense
18:52:12  you can just use it in the normal supported way
18:52:30  with 'extern crate' or whatever it is these days
18:52:52  you objected to the idea that you have to compile a crate before you can compile things that depend on it
18:53:30  yes. I'm saying that if it's so scared of linking to object files generated by a different version, then it could raise an error at link time
18:53:30  because then it's not "separate compilation"
18:54:17  (since, rustc's .o files actually don't work with any linker besides rustc afaict)
18:54:35  i suppose it could also check at link time that your declared headers match what was in that metadata
18:54:40  still, i don't see the point
18:54:48  i'm not saying it's impossible to implement this feature
18:54:56  but it doesn't really fit with the rust compilation model
18:55:15  The point is to enable a separation of concerns between what happens inside a library and what happens outside
18:55:21  that already exists
18:55:25  that's just the crate system
18:55:41  i think you should study how rust works more before you assume they don't have solutions to such basic problems
18:56:17  your objection seems to be that I can't compile my project without first compiling its dependencies, and this means I can't find errors in my code if the dependencies don't build
18:56:32  however, obviously those errors may depend on what's actually in those dependency crates
18:56:49  if i used some function or type from a library wrong, then it needs to know what's in that library to know i used it wrong
18:57:04  whether by compiling it or just having a header file for it (as in C/C++)
18:58:15  fwiw it's common in large projects to put a bunch of types and traits in their own crate that everything else depends on
18:58:26  and this decreases the potential for circular dependencies between those other crates
18:58:47  you can use the trait system kind of like header files
18:59:17  where one bit of code operates on a generic type bounded by a trait
18:59:26  and another bit of code (which could be in a separate crate) provides the concrete implementation
18:59:46  and those two pieces can be compiled independently because they only depend on the core "types" crate
18:59:47  You also can't change a library without recompiling all calling code
19:00:07  (the actual machine code generation still happens at the end though)
19:00:09  seems ripe for a leftpad problem
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19:00:15  that's right
19:01:04  seems unrelated to leftpad though
19:01:11  that wasn't a compilation issue (javascript isn't even compiled)
19:01:22  it's just that someone pulled a library that a lot of people depended on
19:01:38  there are lots of ways to deal with that in rust without needing to change the compilation model
19:02:08  one is just to vendor your dependencies
19:02:49  also crates.io is designed so that once you "yank" a crate people who were already using that version can still use it
19:04:05  there's no supported way to take your code off crates.io permanently
19:05:02  of course the site admins could still do it
19:05:12  if you pushed a crate with nuclear secrets or child porn or something
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19:08:08  if your point is just that rust encourages you to have lots of transitive dependencies then i agree
19:08:14  that's the tradeoff for making code reuse really easy
19:08:17  people start reusing code
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19:09:04  i know it makes many people and organizations nervous to pull lots of code from the internet willy nilly and that's valid
19:09:12  and they can set whatever policy about using external crates they like
19:09:52  i believe there are even ways to host your own local crates.io-like repository for your organization that contains only your trusted crates
19:09:58  and use that on your airgapped build machines
19:11:13  i'd rather at least have the option to reuse code rather than the C world where external libraries are such a pain and cause so much user bitching (ask me how i know) that every project just hand rolls their own broken shitty implementations of basic data structures and algorithms
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19:41:32  external libraries are very common in C ??*
19:41:55  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86530&oldid=86162 * Dtuser1337 * (+63) 
19:44:52  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86531&oldid=86530 * Dtuser1337 * (-14) /* Function Commands */
19:45:04  They are but they’re a complete pain in the ass to use, so there’s strong incentives to minimize their use.
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19:46:01  when i was a mosh maintainer we got so much shit over every external dependency
19:46:11  from distros with weird packaging requriements and from users who want to build on ancient systems etc
19:46:24  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86532&oldid=86531 * Dtuser1337 * (+54) /* Function Commands */
19:46:37  so yes I did reimplement some of the smaller things just to avoid those headaches
19:46:38  (And if you think they aren’t, I suggest you get acquainted with other language environments, at least to know what alternate environments can look like)
19:47:40  Rust gets around this my just not working on any exotic environments
19:47:50  lol
19:48:02  touché
19:48:14  I'd much rather the C model than the npm model.
19:49:05  I want an actually good model. If such a thing can exist.
19:49:25  I think it’s a hard problem though.
19:49:29  yes
19:49:58  there were several scrapped attempts to make a dependencies and build system for Rust before the current Cargo system
19:50:01  it's a hard problem
19:50:27  when I was working on servo, Cargo in its current form didn't exist
19:50:37  we used complex makefiles and it was a mess
19:50:38  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86533&oldid=86532 * Dtuser1337 * (+96) /* Function Commands */
19:50:48  I mean the rust model could be made to work by uhh... just having the compiler trust external rust code to be valid rust code. I get the ABI issue but just... idk they have to have a stable aBI eventually right?
19:51:04  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86534&oldid=86533 * Dtuser1337 * (+1) /* Function Commands */
19:51:05  Now I'm thinking something that's probably slightly moralizing, along the lines of, the experience of doing a thing should be similar to its actual cost.
19:51:21  it took C++ decades to have a stable ABI on common platforms
19:51:40  have you seen what goes into a document like that?
19:51:46  the Rust language is still evolving pretty quickly
19:51:51  they are able to maintain backwards compat at the source level
19:51:57  but maintaining ABI compat is a whole different issue
19:52:18  I think stable ABI is a long-term goal but it's fairly far down the list
19:52:26  it doesn't solve a pressing problem for most users
19:52:46  whereas the things that stable ABI would impede (faster development of new language features) do
19:53:28  Cargo, and failing that, having the external ABI of a library be C-shaped, seem to be good enough for most use cases for now.
19:53:49  most people have no problem with the fact that you have to compile a crate's dependencies first
19:53:56  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86535&oldid=86534 * Dtuser1337 * (+154) /* Function Commands */
19:54:15  C interfaces are generally much better than C++ interfaces, between different components of a system. You probably don't need C++ interfaces for anything.
19:54:40  Components should be coarse-grained with no ABI stability inside a component.
19:55:30  it's true that compile times are a common pain point
19:55:33  but that's only somewhat related
19:55:41  since only the crates that have changed, and crates that depend on them, will be rebuilt
19:55:45  and in many cases that's unavoidable
19:56:04  if I change a type in some library crate then I have to recompile everything that uses that library at least as far as checking that it uses the new type correctly
19:56:39  certainly you can get nightmare situations in C when you change a header file and don't recompile the corresponding library
19:58:19  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86536&oldid=86535 * Dtuser1337 * (+302) /* Implementation Dependent Commands */
19:59:11  I would rather to not have too many external dependencies, regardless of what programming language it is
19:59:21  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86537&oldid=86536 * Dtuser1337 * (+1) /* Implementation Dependent Commands */
20:00:36  oren: anyway it's not just a matter of trusting that the same ABI was used, you also have to trust that the "header files" or equivalent faithfully represent the code in the library you're linking against
20:00:57  right now that is accomplished by making them a side product of the compilation of the library itself
20:01:31  this is very convenient, it means all the information used by the compiler as it compiles the library is also available to describe how to link the library
20:02:07  if you moved to a system of manually written header files, not only would that be more work for the programmer, but the compiler would still need to generate this metadata so that the linker can check the manually written header file against it at link time
20:02:16  otherwise you have the possibility of undefined behavior
20:03:01  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86538&oldid=86537 * Dtuser1337 * (+238) /* File I/O Commands */
20:03:17  i don't advocate manually writing header files
20:03:45  your 'extern "rust" { ... }' block serves the purpose of a header file
20:04:04  Yes because that is currently the only way
20:04:22  GHC supports manual header files in the form of .hs-boot. but if you screw up and don't faithfully represent the corresponding .hs file then your code can segfault
20:04:25  it's not safe
20:04:36  What I'd like is a system that works like this:
20:04:54  oren: look, the type signatures for a library have to come from somewhere. either they are a product of building the library (the current Rust solution) or they are written by the programmer (C solution)
20:04:56  rustc --generate-headers a.rs -o a.rsh
20:05:42  But see, that is a *separate* step from the step of compiling object code
20:05:59  and what if there's a syntax error in a.rs
20:06:01  then it won't work
20:06:17  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86539&oldid=86538 * Dtuser1337 * (+4) /* File I/O Commands */
20:06:19  but your goal for separate compilation was that the deps don't even need to build properly in order to use them
20:06:41  what's the point of making this a separate step anyway?
20:06:43  Correct. if a.rs fails to build, you still have old a.rsh
20:07:02  and what if you change a.rs and don't rebuild the a.rsh?
20:07:16  now it might have inaccurate signatures
20:07:20  and your code can segfault
20:07:38  No
20:08:08  anyway if you're talking about manually invoking rustc then you're probably doing something wrong
20:08:23  99.9% of rust users use cargo
20:08:31  which already has a comprehensive solution for dependencies
20:08:35  whether local or downloaded
20:09:01  the entire point is that you can make changes in a.rs that *don't* change the signatures of externally visible functions, and in that case, *only* a.rs, and not the files using it, need to be recompiled.
20:09:21  None of this would be an issue if the compiler wasn't so slow, right?
20:09:47  I think the more rusty way to do this would be to compare the old and new metadata emitted by compiling a.rs
20:09:49  Just fix the compiler.
20:09:57  and if they match then don't recompile things that depend on it
20:10:11  then there is no separate .rsh file and no janky manually regenerating it
20:10:33  but I think you'll find that most of the time changes really do require downstream libs to be rebuilt
20:10:37  especially when generics come into play
20:10:45  remember Rust monomorphizes generics
20:11:05  you know how templated C++ libraries are entirely header files?
20:11:18  templates are bad
20:12:01  Rust's generics are a bit saner semantically than C++ templates, but the compilation strategy is the same
20:12:08  Yes, and that makes Rust bad
20:12:11  okay
20:12:16  so don't use it
20:12:22  rust has macros
20:13:12  it sounds like you have ample reasons not to use Rust and that separate compilation is not the one thing holding you back
20:13:18  so why do you care
20:13:29  i don't use rust either
20:13:49  i don't really have a use case for it anymore and i don't like the community and i don't enjoy programming for its own sake
20:13:50  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86540&oldid=86539 * Dtuser1337 * (+322) 
20:15:17  Other amusement: with GHC IIUC the ABI doesn’t just differ between versions, but is also different if you’re compiling with profiling (because all heap objects have to have extra metadata for that).
20:15:53  yep
20:15:53  GHC also generates different memory layout for types with optimizations on.
20:15:58  and threaded vs unthreaded runtime
20:16:05  doesn't GHC use C as a IL tho
20:16:05  Yep.
20:16:14  oren: usually not, these days
20:16:48  as of a few years ago they removed the peformance-oriented via-C backend
20:16:59  keeping only the "unregisterized" version for support of obscure platforms
20:17:01  I think the answer is “sort of”, in that it uses a C-- representation internally at one point, but this is not written out or fed to a separate compiler.
20:17:15  Cmm is not really anything like C
20:17:27  it is an IR similar in purpose to LLVM
20:17:33 * Melvar shrugs.
20:17:45  the start of GHC development predates LLVM by a long time so they had to make their own IR
20:17:46  Okay sorry, don’t really know anything about its structure.
20:18:12  Yeah, and nowadays there actually *is* an LLVM backend apparently?
20:18:20  the pipeline these days is like AST -> Core -> STG -> Cmm -> LLVM -> machine code
20:18:27  or direct from Cmm to machine code
20:18:46  the direct-to-asm backend is faster to compile but supports fewer architectures and has fewer optimazitons
20:19:11  the "registerized" (perf-oriented C) backend was basically there to piggyback on GCC backend optimizations
20:19:19  the stuff it generated was not portable C in any sense
20:19:23  it was grotesquely GCC specific C
20:19:38  and the assembly output of GCC would be further postprocessed by a 4,000 line Perl script known as the Evil Mangler
20:20:05  because some basic things you need in a functional lang backend IR (like computed tail calls) are impossible to represent in portable C
20:20:10  anyway that whole nasty mess is gone
20:20:17  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86541&oldid=86540 * Dtuser1337 * (+417) /* loadallfile() */
20:20:32  and remains only the relatively saner "unregisterized" C output which does not try to be performant
20:20:36  if even that
20:20:43  they may have removed that too in the years since i stopped paying attention
20:21:08  I’m pretty sure it still exists, but the only reason it does is to allow bootstrapping ghc to a new architecture.
20:21:15  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86542&oldid=86541 * Dtuser1337 * (+2) /* loadallfile() */
20:21:16  yeah
20:21:31  i had some fun trying to bootstrap GHC onto ARM Android long ago
20:21:37  GHC had perl as a dependency? wild
20:21:55  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86543&oldid=86542 * Dtuser1337 * (+28) /* Function Commands */
20:22:10  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86544&oldid=86543 * Dtuser1337 * (+0) /* Function Commands */
20:22:16  other fun facts about GHC internals: GHCi has its own multiplatform dynamic linker
20:22:18  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86545&oldid=86544 * Dtuser1337 * (+6) /* Function Commands */
20:22:26  this means that despite being an "interpreter" it is the least portable part of GHC
20:22:51  getting ghci to work on a new platform is a whole additional can of worms
20:23:17  it works this way because they want to call into native code compiled haskell libs from bytecode-interpreted code
20:23:34  i'm not sure why they don't use dlopen() or some other standard mechanism for code loading
20:23:41  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86546&oldid=86545 * Dtuser1337 * (-4) /* Stacks */
20:23:43  but there are probably reasons
20:24:00  compiled Haskell code looks very different from compiled C code
20:24:12  there aren't really any functions in the sense of call/ret pairs
20:24:29  as i recall most basic blocks end in a computed jump
20:24:32  Of course, architecture support is entwined with having a runtime implementation that works on that architecture and the primitives that call into it.
20:24:38  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86547&oldid=86546 * Dtuser1337 * (+1) /* Commands */
20:24:45  this is the nature of the spineless tagless G-machine (which is neither spineless nor tagless, oh well)
20:25:03  there isn't a normal call stack either
20:25:17  except when you make a FFI call then obviously it has to set up a C like stack
20:25:30  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86548&oldid=86547 * Dtuser1337 * (-5) /* Implementation Dependent Commands */
20:25:33  well, it makes sense not to use a call stack because it would be huge
20:25:35  and this gets into the difference between "safe" and "unsafe" FFI calls
20:26:27  debugging ghc produced code in gdb is great fun
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20:29:10  Fun stuff: I was recently wondering if, in a data constructor with multiple unboxed Word8# fields, those fields would be packed efficiently or be put into a word each. I couldn’t find an answer online, but I did find that GHC exposes some heap introspection modules so I could, after some back and forth, create such a value and then get info about the heap object representing it.
20:29:27  Just in GHCi.
20:29:57  oh yeah that stuff is fun
20:29:59  (I found that the Word8#s were in fact packed into one word.)
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20:31:57  Whoa. 
20:32:09  So much discussion here, I'll have to check the scrollback. 
20:32:24  I was doing esoteric experiments with factorio, and there are more esoteric experiments that I want to try.
20:33:23  I was wondering this in the first place because a beginner came around asking if there was any lower-overhead type for 32-byte blobs that they needed to be handling a lot. Even a primitive ByteArray# is boxed and stores its own length and thus has two words of overhead, so even a Short Bytestring that wraps it has four words of overhead, which is as big as the payload on 64-bit.
20:35:12  [[TextGarbage]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86552&oldid=86529 * Dtuser1337 * (-2) /* See also */
20:35:58  So I had the harebrained idea that the lowest-overhead option (two words) would be a data constructor with four Word64# fields, but that means you have to do bitshifting and masking to get at individual bytes.
20:36:15  keegan: in rust, can I export and import foreign functions with a C-like API but rust mangling of the names, and does that mangling contain partial type information like in C++ mangling?
20:36:35  So I started wondering whether a data constructor with 32 Word8# fields would be efficiently packed.
20:36:59  I guess I should ask in ##rust insteead
20:37:24  Or test.
20:39:23  b_jonas: I'm not sure
20:39:29  (There was another harebrained solution I thought of, which was to use an LLVM-backend-specific SIMD vector type.)
20:39:53  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86553&oldid=86551 * Dtuser1337 * (+2) /* Function Commands */
20:45:21  (Passing around a Word8X32# should have zero overhead, right?)
20:47:53  In some C codes I have passing and returning a structure of two 32-bit integers. How efficiently is that implemented on 64-bit x86 Linux?
20:49:46  [[FlinnScrip]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86554&oldid=86553 * Dtuser1337 * (+27) 
20:50:54  typedef struct { union { Sint32s; Uint32 u; }; Uint32 t; } Value;     Also what will it be on the other computers too? How does it compare to the use of a 64-bit integer type?
20:51:52  i think its better to use integers
20:52:02  bitshifting
20:52:02  At least in terms of the x86-64 sysV ABI, I don't think there's much of a difference between that and a 64-bit integer type.
20:52:17  It does get returned in a single 64-bit register.
20:56:54  fizzie: I don't think so: in the x86-64 calling convention, plain vector types are returned in a register, if it's just one vector, not a structure with multiple vectors
20:57:25  No, it does.
20:57:26  I mean it is returned in a vector register, not a general register, which may be better or worse
20:57:28  `` echo -e '#include  \n typedef struct { union { int32_t s; uint32_t u; }; uint32_t t; } Value; Value foo(void) { return (Value){ .u = 0x01234567, .t = 0x89abcdef }; }' | gcc -x c - -o - -S -O2 | grep -v '\.' | grep -A 2 'foo:'
20:57:30  foo: \ movabsq$-8526495043095935641, %rax \ ret
20:57:34  See, it gets returned in rax.
20:57:37  hmm
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20:59:15  fizzie: that uses integer types, not SIMD vector types
20:59:23  Yes, but so did the question.
20:59:48  "If the class is INTEGER, the next available register of the sequence %rax, %rdx is used."
21:00:52  `` echo -e '#include  \n typedef struct { uint32_t a, b, c, d; } Value; Value foo(void) { return (Value){ .a = 1, .b = 2, .c = 3, .d = 4 }; }' | gcc -x c - -o - -S -O2 | grep -v '\.' | grep -A 3 'foo:'  # returned in those two GPRs
21:00:54  foo: \ movabsq$8589934593, %rax \ movabsq$17179869187, %rdx \ ret
21:02:29  fizzie: Melvar mentioned "SIMD vector type" and "Word8X32#"
21:02:55  Well, I was answering zzo38's question.
21:02:58  ah
21:03:14  hmm, actually, does gcc have an option to produce hex literals in assembly?
21:04:01  ah
21:04:18  so I was looking at a wrong question
21:04:35  (probably not, but it would really be helpful sometimes)
21:04:43  And I wasn't looking at the backscroll at all, so I didn't even realize there was a question it could be confused with.
21:05:00  there was so much backscroll\
21:05:01  `` dc <<<16o8589934593p17179869187p
21:05:05  200000001 \ 400000003
21:05:15  and my head is still full with testing esoteric designs in factorio
21:05:25  int-e: I don't think it does, but clang puts the hex version in a comment.
21:05:41  because there are so many different possibilities to test, and some of them behave in an unpredictable way that takes a long time to converge to some equilibrium
21:05:53  (that's of course because I'm testing those tricky cases specifically)
21:06:27  It started with asking an innocent question, and the answer turns out to be... maybe, it depends on a lot of factors
21:06:40  but I learned a lot
21:06:47  No clang in the HackEso installation. But it produces `movabsq $8589934593, %rax # imm = 0x200000001` + `movabsq $17179869187, %rdx # imm = 0x400000003`.
21:21:28  Hmm, why does xboard consult a chess program to check the legality of move, and why do said chess programs have trouble with black's moves in  b1bkb1b1/1b1b1b1b/b1b1b1b1/1b1b1b1b/b1b1b1b1/1b1b1b1b/b1b1b1b1/1bBbKb2 ...
21:22:57  err, that's missing the missing the  w - - 0 2  part (white to move, etc.)
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22:16:25  int-e: what notation is that?
22:16:52  FEN
22:17:05  is that like a checkered pattern of black bishops?
22:17:14  why does it have "1" everywhere instead of a column number?
22:17:14  With one hole at h1, yes.
22:17:26  1 is for one empty square
22:17:57  oh, so this is like a RLE, not like the other kind of encoding that uses absolute column numbers to fill with empty squares
22:18:26  it looks similar to this
22:19:12  As far as I know, FEN is a common kind of encoding for chess; I don't know what other kind of encoding you mean
22:20:01  b_jonas: Yeah. Usually you get bigger numbers than that :) The starting position has /8/8/8/8/ in the middle. Also lower case is black and upper case is white.
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22:21:40  I might just be confused
22:28:05  https://paste.debian.net/1205297/
22:29:39  I actually saw it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jglvRpbJZzk
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23:23:34   completely alters the explanation for Deadfish/Constants, page hasn't been touched for 6 years <-- hm didn't i write that
23:28:42  seems Mroman wrote the basics and i expanded to >256
23:31:04  looking at it the second sentence of the second paragraph is a bit confusing and technically wrong
23:31:55  i think it's mixing backward and forward thinking
23:35:27  i guess i'll wait to see Guest8999's rewrite
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05:44:38  Taneb: The thing about All being coinductive and Any being inductive is interesting.
05:45:21  In particular with them being demorganizations of each other. At least one way, maybe both ways?
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06:05:54  By demoganizations of each other, do you mean like how All P is equivalent to ¬ Any (¬ P)?
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06:06:35  (by equivalent to I mean classically equivalent to)
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06:55:24  shachaf: what do you find interesting about it? To me it's just, like, a thing
06:56:17  I mean the thing I said, I guess. Should negation take you from/to inductive to/from coinductive?
06:57:48  Hmmm
06:59:19  the left and right of the arrow are negative and positive ->
07:00:07  since ~P is P -> False, it's on the left of the arrow so P is in a negative position
07:00:44  P doesn't go from being inductive to coinductive, it goes from having to be introduced to having to be eliminated
07:06:08  Taneb: Also, how does this relate to the modalities "always" and "eventually"?
07:06:15  You're saying things like "always eventually X"
07:07:06  Yes
07:08:00  I guess that's all it is.
07:08:13  Always eventually X iff X infinitely often, Eventually always X iff ¬X finitely often
07:08:53  So in constructive settings, do you only get one de Morgan dual thing holding?
07:09:25  I guess you don't have ¬(A and B) --> ¬A or ¬B
07:09:31  Yeah
07:09:49  So: ¬All P --> Any ¬P
07:09:56  Fair enough!
07:10:04  There's a name for this thing, right?
07:10:23  This thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A9-consistent_theory
07:12:29  I've not seen that before!
07:15:05  It's interesting, thank you
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17:00:47  if anyone wants to read inference.pdf along with me 
17:00:55  http://inference.org.uk/itprnn/book.pdf
17:01:20  python3 -m pagelabels --delete inference-fixed.fixed.pdf ; python3 -m pagelabels --startpage 1 --prefix "Intro " --type "roman uppercase" inference-fixed.fixed.pdf ; python3 -m pagelabels --startpage 13 inference-fixed.fixed.pdf
17:01:25  you can fix the page numbers with this command
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20:08:18  Is it possible in HTML for a script to read the contents of a