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06:57:43 <nakilon> 21:03:36 <riv> there's a lot of free parameters to mess with
06:58:32 <nakilon> one real parameter and another one -- I took only 15000 of 50000 of input strings, heh, or it would take a day to calculate
06:59:29 <nakilon> 22:42:20 <riv> nakilon, https://bpa.st/5P6A
06:59:36 <nakilon> yeah only 3 first are good, the rest is broken
07:01:21 <nakilon> the next valid word is only 37, and 20 is a Russian word if you strip the _
07:02:56 <nakilon> I suppose 15000 is big enough to not miss popular words, among the top-100 list that it produced
07:03:16 <nakilon> the next 100 had several errors, didn't count
07:08:44 <nakilon> 117 nofficial 160 erchat 164 ernet 175 nchain etc. and some of them are weird but can be real words from languages I don't know
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16:28:22 <HackEso> 1/1:892) <evincar> okay so like <evincar> do <fizzie> Or do not? <evincar> no no <evincar> do <evincar> There is no do not. \ 824) <shachaf> Do physicists have half-life crises?
16:30:06 <HackEso> ',? No such file or directory
16:30:43 <HackEso> 852) <kmc> yes Windows 98 installer, please perform a bad blocks scan of your virtual emulated hard drive <kmc> you have no idea how completely i control your so-called reality
16:30:49 <fizzie> A single quote and a double quote. Checks out.
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16:49:02 <int-e> https://gitlab.com/gpsd/gpsd/-/issues/144 is funny: "We would have gotten away with it too if there had been a leap second in the meantime"
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17:06:35 <int-e> Woah, I'd never heard of global warming making Earth spin faster.
17:07:14 <int-e> (apparently explaining the recent lack of leap seconds)
17:07:29 <riv> we literally can't predict leap seconds
17:07:38 <riv> there's never been any leap seconds removed either
17:08:10 <int-e> that's what I thought so far :P
17:09:42 <int-e> Hmm, maybe I have the orders of magnitude incorrect.
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17:12:53 <int-e> So, eh, not sure it explains anything. But it's still an interesting phenomenon. I /think/ it says that the effect slightly outweighs the tidal slowdown in their scenario, resulting in a speedup of 0.12ms over 200 years rather than a slowdown by 4.6ms.
17:13:14 <int-e> But the article could be written more clearly...
17:14:24 <riv> I read that the causes of variation of spin time are not all known
17:14:30 <riv> and the ones that are known are chaotic
17:16:20 <int-e> More weirdness: "Over the past 3000 years, the core of the Earth has been speeding up a little, and the mantle-crust on which we stand is slowing down." https://phys.org/news/2015-12-scientists-reveal-rotation-earth-core.html
17:19:17 <int-e> Ah, at least there are a couple of mechanisms that I can understand: 1) As glaciers melt, melted water moves closer to the Earth's axis. 2) As arctic and antarctic ice melt, there's less pressure pushing the poles into the earth, so it becomes a little bit rounder, moving the whole surface closer to the center.
17:19:42 <int-e> And by "understand" I mean they're plausible :P
17:20:29 <int-e> I have no hope of estimating how big those effects are without some serious study.
17:23:56 <int-e> (Which won't happen :P)
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20:04:57 <zzo38> Swiss Ephemeris has a function for tidal acceleration; is that related to things that you mention?
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21:48:38 <int-e> Ah, IBM Ponder This is back to normal (a bit of number crunching).
21:49:13 <fizzie> But is it really a "Starship" if it doesn't get any closer to any other star than the one it starts next to?
21:52:29 <int-e> Where did starships come up?
21:55:17 <fizzie> They didn't, that was apropos of nothing.
21:55:54 <fizzie> I was reading an article about some photos Uncle Elon had posted in the context of an orbital visit.
21:56:20 <int-e> Well, still lifes aren't considered to be starships, so maybe that's your answer.
21:57:06 <fizzie> Aren't those called spaceships in Life anyway?
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21:58:20 <fizzie> If Elon's was called the Spaceship, I couldn't complain, because it does go to space.
21:58:56 <int-e> I see. What about a solar probe?
21:59:53 <fizzie> I guess that could be a starship. Have we actually sent anything into the Sun though?
22:00:40 <fizzie> "The Parker Solar Probe is the first spacecraft to fly into the low solar corona." Maybe that will count.
22:01:29 <fizzie> Although they say it'll be "within 9.86 solar radii -- from the center of the Sun", and I guess really it should be strictly less than 1.
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22:02:39 <fizzie> "The solar radius is usually defined as the radius to the layer in the Sun's photosphere where the optical depth equals 2/3." Sounds pretty arbitrary.
22:03:25 <int-e> oh, so it's not a starship unless it actually burns up in one?
22:05:07 <fizzie> Well, I mean, I think that's maybe a little negative. But I think maybe it should either touch a star, or alternatively there should exist a point during its journey when the nearest star is not the same as at some other point.
22:05:14 <int-e> Hmm, can C++ break out of several loops without using goto yet...
22:06:26 <fizzie> I don't think they've added that.
22:06:30 <int-e> Pfft: "No, don't spoil it with a break. This is the last remaining stronghold for the use of goto."
22:06:47 <Thelie> I mean the Vikings already knew that burning ships is the way to go.
22:07:13 <fizzie> Which languages have a multi-level break where the operand is an integer denoting the number of loops to break, rather than a label? And of those languages, how many allow the integer to be non-constant?
22:07:46 <fizzie> Actually, I don't know if it can be a non-constant, but I'd sort of expect.
22:08:44 <fizzie> "PHP Fatal error: 'break' operator with non-integer operand is no longer supported" :/ :\
22:08:54 <fizzie> I do note the "no longer" in there though.
22:09:06 <int-e> TFW... bugs make your program better.
22:11:40 <shachaf> PHP is now developed by a bunch of cowards.
22:11:47 <shachaf> I bet they don't use strlen as their hash function anymore either.
22:18:50 <b_jonas> fizzie: I think dc has such a multi-level break
22:19:31 <int-e> UGH, why do people hate contrast so much
22:19:59 <int-e> (cf. source code examples from https://esolangs.org/wiki/Minim ...except for the yellow used for brackets)
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22:21:50 <fizzie> int-e: That's a pretty excessive example. Especially the string literals and comments.
22:22:28 <b_jonas> fizzie: oh, and there's Intercal, I think it has a dynamic multi-level break too
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22:24:16 <int-e> well, it's a multi-level return
22:24:35 <int-e> it's not quite the same :P
22:25:06 <fizzie> "This is because the easiest way to implement an if-like construct in INTERCAL-72 is by NEXTING, then NEXTING again, then RESUMING either by 1 or 2 according to an expression, and then if the expression evaluated to 1 FORGETTING the remaining NEXT stack entry." It's a nice manual.
22:25:35 <b_jonas> does words (the program in HackEso) have an evaluate mode, as opposed to a generate mode, so that you give it a word, and it outputs the information (log probability) in it based on the model?
22:26:09 <fizzie> I don't think it has that implemented.
22:26:21 <b_jonas> int-e: ok, but in dc about the only way to write a loop is by repeatedly executing a macro, so that's what a multi-level break should look like
22:26:27 <b_jonas> as in tail-recursing a macro
22:26:55 <int-e> yeah, which is why I only interjected when you brought it up for intercal
22:27:50 <fizzie> I think you need some lexical blocks in the language in order for a dynamic multi-level break to feel ridiculous.
22:28:12 <fizzie> Can a PHP break cross function boundaries?
22:28:21 <b_jonas> I think I saw something like this in a language besides the ones we mentioned
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22:29:25 <int-e> I ended up with this... https://paste.debian.net/1206394/ (top: what I wanted, bottom: the result)
22:30:24 <int-e> err, I messed up the hypothetical code, didn't I.
22:31:36 <b_jonas> ah yes, (0) has multi-level break using a number that gives the depth, but only for a constant depth, not dynamic. the language spec doesn't say if it works past a function boundary, I assumed no because that was convenient because I wanted to transpile the language, not implement something in it.
22:32:09 <b_jonas> that's where I must have seen it
22:32:56 <fizzie> `BEGIN AGAIN` in Forth is an infinite loop, which doesn't really fit the English meaning of that sentence fragment.
22:32:57 <HackEso> BEGIN? No such file or directory
22:36:07 <fizzie> Wonder if there's any production Forth code that says at some point ... THEN BEGIN AGAIN ... that's there, e.g., to give a supposedly unreachable piece of code defined semantics of just hanging up in there.
22:38:42 <fizzie> `` ulimit -t 1; forth ': foo if ." all good" exit then begin again ; 0 foo' # or something along those lines
22:38:44 <HackEso> /hackenv/bin/`: line 5: 52 Killed forth ': foo if ." all good" exit then begin again ; 0 foo'
22:42:21 <b_jonas> fizzie: is that like the infamous {redo} in perl?
22:43:57 <b_jonas> (shows that you can express useless stuff easily in that language, but not useful stuff)
22:45:43 <b_jonas> apparently today's https://xkcd.com/2497/ mentions something that has come up often on #esoteric
22:53:23 <fizzie> Forth control structures are pretty flexible. The compilation semantics of `BEGIN` push the address of the next word to the control-flow stack, and `AGAIN` pops it. `UNTIL` is the same except it also pops a value at run-time to decide whether to follow the branch or not. So while you can use BEGIN ... <cond> UNTIL for `do {...} while (!cond)` and `BEGIN ... AGAIN` for `for (;;) {...}` loops, you
22:53:24 <fizzie> can also just mix the words up if you happen to need something strange. (I'm not very good at Forth.)
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23:36:56 <zzo38> I don't like the conditions of dc much and I think that arithmetic if would be a better command to add into dc for implementing conditions
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