< 1630973232 413729 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1630978034 522378 :zgrep!~zgrep@user/zgrep PART #esolangs :I'm in too many channels. < 1630982945 268809 :xylochoron[m]!~xylochoro@2001:470:69fc:105::e2e1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi there < 1630982957 196119 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Evening. < 1630983007 440648 :xylochoron[m]!~xylochoro@2001:470:69fc:105::e2e1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :How's it going < 1630983009 614197 :xylochoron[m]!~xylochoro@2001:470:69fc:105::e2e1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So I recently wrote some code that compiles a Turing machine to cyclic tag https://github.com/esopsis/Turing-Machine-to-Cyclic-Tag < 1630983019 650297 :xylochoron[m]!~xylochoro@2001:470:69fc:105::e2e1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I put a link to it on the cyclic tag esolang page also < 1630983029 751917 :xylochoron[m]!~xylochoro@2001:470:69fc:105::e2e1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just thought this might be a place to share that :-) < 1630983174 31272 :xylochoron[m]!~xylochoro@2001:470:69fc:105::e2e1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :By the way I also found a powerpoint presentation online about a person compiling lambda calculus to a Turing machine. I contacted the researcher and he says he's working on a paper to publish about that www.macs.hw.ac.uk/~greg/limits%20to%20computability/SKI%20combinators%20(really)%20are%20%20Turing%20complete.pptx < 1630983196 327962 :xylochoron[m]!~xylochoro@2001:470:69fc:105::e2e1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/lambda/combinators/, s/calculus// < 1630984939 139999 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good times. < 1630985369 635588 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :are you also already building some machine here with these series of substitutions lol 05:53:16 s/lambda/combinators/, s/calculus// < 1630985498 126006 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :can't see pptx, he might want to convert it to pdf for sharing < 1630985540 761482 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean I probably can open pptx with Keynote but it would be handier to read in browser < 1630985979 316971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1630986198 601986 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ben Lynn's notes might be interesting: https://crypto.stanford.edu/~blynn/compiler/lambda.html < 1630987220 17195 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I miss Google Codesearch -- github can't regexes ( < 1630988240 656926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs : oh my poor grammar <-- that grammar looked fine to me hth < 1630989408 382501 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf QUIT :*.net *.split < 1630989416 767959 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf JOIN #esolangs shachaf :Shachaf Ben-Kiki < 1630989675 600109 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1630989675 755144 :mcfrdy!~mcfrdy@user/mcfrdy QUIT :*.net *.split < 1630989688 710506 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com JOIN #esolangs * :beehive < 1630989715 391068 :mcfrdy!~mcfrdy@user/mcfrdy JOIN #esolangs mcfrdy :mcfrdy < 1630990371 689259 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro JOIN #esolangs * :velik < 1630990634 437921 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :*.net *.split < 1630990634 437965 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1630990634 485455 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1630990634 567878 :faxlore!sid505520@highgate.irccloud.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1630990634 594739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1630990634 793739 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1630990642 861561 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com JOIN #esolangs * :citrons < 1630990648 855139 :faxlore!sid505520@id-505520.highgate.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs faxlore :faxlore < 1630990703 51723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN #esolangs lambdabot :Lambda_Robots:_100%_Loyal < 1630990720 573190 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1630990830 987292 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de JOIN #esolangs * :rodgort < 1630990868 887123 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1630991091 870323 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1630992435 725144 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN #esolangs APic :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1630992462 855267 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1630992529 149203 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1630993037 725669 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN #esolangs APic :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1630993040 754185 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1630993450 210609 :chiselfu1e!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1630994086 785801 :phdu[m]!~phdumatri@2001:470:69fc:105::e6b6 NICK :phdu < 1630994537 386288 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN #esolangs APic :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1630994596 441056 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1630994837 918329 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN #esolangs APic :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1630994872 493065 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1630995776 609728 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1630995821 404081 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: nice problem < 1630996761 290317 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN #esolangs APic :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1630996766 941359 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1630997061 505521 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN #esolangs APic :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1630997062 381138 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1630997361 739849 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN #esolangs APic :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1630997368 633911 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1630998536 276963 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Google Cloud does not believe in swap" confirmed: https://stackoverflow.com/q/58210222/322020 < 1630998657 491328 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( vm.swappiness = 0 ) < 1630998669 272891 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good, swap is mostly a bad idea for a server. < 1630998696 523076 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :much better when he just hangs until reboot < 1630998754 806817 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :VMs doing their own swapping is a bit insane, when there's more swapping happening at the hypervisor level < 1630998809 933650 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure we know how Google Cloud hypervisor works < 1630998871 399382 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even on my PC I'd like to fully disable swap. But I've learned that Linux effectively swaps anyway, because it will release unmodified mmap-ed regions to satisfy requests for fresh memory. So... without swap... rather than being able to swap out more or less everything, you end up swapping out code pages. This is *worse* than actually having a bit of swap space. < 1630998897 503216 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose your PC has more RAM than a Free Tier server < 1630998913 900291 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So I compromised on 8G swap for 32G swap. < 1630998922 74203 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for 32G main memory. < 1630998924 729837 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, yes it does. < 1630998981 498933 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ping < 1630998981 717558 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :pong < 1630999028 394446 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I understand the desire for enabling swap on small VMs. I was arguing from a perspective of performance. < 1630999224 284170 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN #esolangs APic :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1630999227 85904 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1630999261 979132 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I actually have a hack somewhere that hooks into mmap and replaces anonymous mappings by file-based mappings. < 1630999267 663440 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So yes, I can definitely relate. < 1630999524 564067 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN #esolangs APic :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1630999851 650256 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1631000055 16629 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can mlock memory that you care about, I suppose. < 1631000072 790353 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a good point about Linux releasing code pages, though, hmm. < 1631000122 371002 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It just treats it as ordinary page cache memory, even when you fully disable overcommit and swap? That seems bad. < 1631000137 206142 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's hard for it to do anything else. < 1631000277 939570 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've never done the experiment of disabling overcommit as well. For a long time I couldn't because of Haskell's RTS, but it may work these days? It still allocates a huge address space... < 1631000729 193863 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's possible to reserve address space without committing it in Linux, but hardly anyone does it. < 1631000748 996331 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :And it's pretty unusual so I don't think you can e.g. ask how much memory a process has committed. < 1631000790 422240 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :rts/posix/OSMem.c:# define RESERVE_FLAGS MAP_NORESERVE | MAP_ANON | MAP_PRIVATE; < 1631000801 797717 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :google indexes esolang wiki by ip for some reason https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3A46.43.2.108 < 1631000994 707030 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1631001076 925029 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1631001094 187183 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So ghc has been doing that since ghc-8.0... patch is from 2015. Still fairly recent. < 1631001116 717965 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1631001174 924068 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: yes, and also site:techne.zem.fi < 1631001223 257423 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Techne (Greek: τέχνη, tékhnē, 'craft, art'; Ancient Greek: [tékʰnɛː], Modern Greek: [ˈtexni] (About this soundlisten)) is a term in philosophy that refers to making or doing. < 1631001293 686646 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :one way google might discover such links is via the channel logs... we had trouble updating the esolangs.org domain at some point so more direct methods to access the wiki were mentioned. < 1631001379 267654 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose you can disable this index either via robots.txt or via google web search panel when you own the domain < 1631001384 689310 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know whether google actively scans the IPv4 space for webservers... they definitely have the resources to do it; the question is whether they see any value in doing so. < 1631001397 519373 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't remember the exact name of those services < 1631001678 535919 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there any wiki bot here? < 1631001682 548039 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean wikipedia < 1631001718 62547 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(though there may be an option to query any wiki) < 1631001958 620215 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1631002152 616856 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1631002573 313235 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:3c81:60b6:4f21:77d2 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1631003003 500047 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Usually you need a host header anyway to access a website, even if you have an IP address. < 1631003265 279325 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :are there any bots here who remember the context? so you could issue a command to process some previous message < 1631003274 584174 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:e578:65a3:833a:6855 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1631003418 591180 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1631003545 555470 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:e578:65a3:833a:6855 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1631004087 60401 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Quit: [TLS] Client upgrade < 1631004104 409980 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN #esolangs APic :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1631004633 521531 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Quit: Boot tut gut™ < 1631005297 862153 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:e578:65a3:833a:6855 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1631005615 822028 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:e578:65a3:833a:6855 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1631005741 389676 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1631005763 688798 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1631006348 570514 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:e578:65a3:833a:6855 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1631008209 615403 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1631008509 606490 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1631009574 585835 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :HackEso (well, HackEgo) used to have access to channel logs, so you could do that sort of thing through there, but it got lost during some reshuffling (they're not logically same systems any more). Sort of a shame; some of the things you could do were clever enough. Though it also encouraged "brute-force" solutions that just run a grep over the last two decades of history, which was always pretty < 1631009576 330559 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :slow. < 1631009729 982931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`seen logs < 1631009731 194155 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :ls: cannot access '/var/irclogs/_esoteric/????-??-??.txt': No such file or directory \ not lately; try `seen logs ever < 1631009796 53872 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, that one does (did?) a "most recent 30 files" by default to be a little faster about it. < 1631009948 305203 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was planning to "fix" the logs access thing by just having some sort of an API at logs.esolangs.org and poking a hole for that for HackEso, but haven't gotten around to. Maybe I should as a first step do something smaller. The logs server's already got an in-memory queue of the last 1000 events for stalker mode purposes, it could just expose that as a "recent context" endpoint. < 1631009994 274577 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( touch /var/irclogs/_esoteric/0000-00-00.txt ) < 1631010017 323102 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably a bad idea; the error message is a reminder that it's not working :) < 1631010017 706940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`touch /var/irclogs/_esoteric/0000-00-00.txt < 1631010019 210037 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :touch: cannot touch '/var/irclogs/_esoteric/0000-00-00.txt': No such file or directory < 1631010150 314909 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :not necessary all the logs, but bot could remember just last 100/1000 messages rotated < 1631010189 240669 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in ram < 1631010213 456736 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Granted, doing it through logs.esolangs.org would still have a bit of a race-condition-y feel since they'd be channel logs as seen by different IRC clients. But I think multibot won't make it particularly easy to do that "locally". < 1631010447 775667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :they were different clients last time too, i think < 1631010477 486680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least, different nicks < 1631010485 339521 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Probably, yeah. < 1631010930 432902 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I don't even have the umlbox-mudem thing wired up for the weird custom multiplexing of TCP and Unix domain sockets over a "serial port" it does. < 1631011058 891719 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1631012367 809226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later > 1631014080 640014 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ight14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87928&oldid=86667 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+185) 10Light interpreters > 1631014157 247947 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PythonshellDebugwindow/Vandevelo14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=87929&oldid=73972 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+123) 10! < 1631014912 612686 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1631016582 612535 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1631019256 825644 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq it chapter "What is swappiness and how do I change it?" it says that servers have this option set higher meaning to push memory to swap more < 1631020548 258972 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :On the topic of esolangs.org appearing under other names, yeah, I've configured the server to "default" to the site with the wiki on it for any host header it doesn't recognize, and never looked into search consequences. Wonder if I could convince MediaWiki to do rel=canonical or a sitemap. Wikipedia does that as a tag on the page, so. < 1631020579 650955 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Turning on $wgEnableCanonicalServerLink should do it. < 1631020609 463209 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's probably a good idea < 1631020703 625729 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif JOIN #esolangs hanif :hanif < 1631020838 313322 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :$ curl -s http://techne.zem.fi/wiki/Befunge | grep 'rel="canonical"' < 1631020840 336752 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs : < 1631020842 827098 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe that'll help. < 1631020962 927320 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah. although for pages with long names, I'll still keep using the article number like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page?curid=13784 , who cares what the canonical says\ < 1631020964 443491 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` curl -s http://techne.zem.fi/wiki/Befunge | grep 'rel="canonical"' < 1631020968 669850 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sorry, HackEgo's sandbox currently has no web access. However, see `? `fetch < 1631021224 565986 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1631021334 251005 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :`olist 1243 < 1631021335 169878 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1243.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1631021768 8609 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot get https://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page?curid=13784 //link[@rel="canonical"]/@href < 1631021768 923714 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: https://esolangs.org/wiki/A_programming_language_is_a_formal_language,_which_comprises_a_set_of_instructions_that_produce_various_kinds_of_output. < 1631021774 6039 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: ^ < 1631021834 52784 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot get http://techne.zem.fi/wiki/Befunge //link[@rel="canonical"]/@href < 1631021835 167782 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge < 1631022447 132634 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1631022473 627619 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1631024554 397944 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is it just me or does this website have property 3 wrong? https://www.web-formulas.com/Math_Formulas/Linear_Algebra_Properties_of_Inverse_Matrices.aspx < 1631024746 255838 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: um, what are the assumptions here? are the matrix elements from a field? property 3 says "If A has an inverse matrix, then there is only one inverse matrix." which sounds right to me, at least over a field < 1631024772 883611 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: That's the seventh longest page title we have. The longest is: Unary_Except_Every_Zero_Is_Replaced_with_the_Title_of_This_Programming_Language_or,_Alternately,_Is_Replaced_with_the_Smallest_Counter-Example_to_the_Goldbach_Conjecture._Compilers_and_Interpreters_Only_Have_to_Implement_the_Former_Option < 1631024773 90731 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(probably still true without, but I can't swear on it) < 1631024796 528247 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: yeah, but that one also keeps changing. I know there are redirects, but still. < 1631024888 335100 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it's longer than Real Fast Nora at least < 1631024900 881191 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh I miscounted < 1631024912 931935 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I meant this line, which is step 3 (not property 3): "3. If A1 and A2 have inverses, then A1 A2 has an inverse and (A1 A2)-1 = A1-1 A2-1 < 1631024913 47564 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :" < 1631024921 407900 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :*statement 3 < 1631024996 764576 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, pretty sure that should be (A1 A2)^-1 = A2^-1 A1^-1. < 1631025003 766213 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: yes, that sounds wrong. it even says the right statement earlier: "If A and B are nonsingular matrices, then AB is nonsingular and (AB)^(-1) = B^(-1) A^(-1)" < 1631025220 172613 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Trying to leave feedback < 1631025221 111222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Value cannot be null. Parameter name: Challenge < 1631025224 255656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't see a captcha < 1631025300 76977 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :They're using Recaptcha, but the URL for it is 404ing < 1631025357 864299 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I... could hack the correct Recaptcha URL in place < 1631025380 672118 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: nah, they're probably using a library for Recaptcha that Google has obsoleted twice since < 1631025681 985864 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1631027524 326764 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1631027624 710649 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1631028569 922611 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1631029475 820127 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1631029501 50816 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1631032217 995195 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :If I have a translation-rotation matrix that needs to be multiplied on the right, is there a way to turn it into a matrix that can be multiplied on the left? < 1631033802 742326 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas can you ddos with perlbot? < 1631033842 720612 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or is that a special command? I see it also apploes xpath < 1631034774 527378 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: it's not special, you can call it multiple times together, but only in series < 1631034798 107530 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there's a time limit for how long each of your commands will execute < 1631034816 678512 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's probably not a very efficient way to DDOS anything < 1631034864 113062 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you could try to loop it by calling a command on its own web interface, in a quine way < 1631034927 979468 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that probably requires POST, which this doesn't do < 1631034943 276513 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it would be more efficient if you just make a webpage that people load and some javascript or frames on it send requests < 1631034949 131106 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or even images, fewer people block those < 1631035070 505466 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN #esolangs APic :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1631035467 776637 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1631037091 312092 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1631039861 974081 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1631040765 559718 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Quit: quit < 1631040809 58764 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1631040871 640995 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1631040872 831866 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1631040887 647120 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1631040892 28271 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1631040936 646099 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1631040974 54604 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1631041053 639910 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1631041231 179272 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1631042144 907090 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Bit of a random question, but does anyone have a gut feeling as to what sort of indoors range you should expect from a BLE device? Like that nRF52840 SoC or something? I've been speculating about a wireless doohickey, and wondering if it should be that, or wifi, or some other kind of radio. < 1631042795 941058 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1631043187 848635 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know, but indoor range for microwave stuff might depend on what your walls are made of < 1631043245 439231 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :my bluetooth headphones could communicate from the living room to the work room, but I'v no idea if that involves BLE or just other Bluetooth < 1631043288 904315 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. The interior walls are just drywall-style materials, but there's also a bunch of kitchen appliances between where I'd most logically put two endpoints of a connection. < 1631043303 643510 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1631043343 19929 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I read somewhere that BLE doesn't include audio... although a quick search suggests there's now an announced "Bluetooth LE Audio" standard as well. < 1631043345 910973 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :here in this apartment the walls are real reinforced concrete, but the waves might have chosen to go through the walls < 1631043367 24858 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/through the walls/through the doors/ < 1631043390 829098 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably not BLE in that case < 1631043449 557038 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's apparently some sort of a long-range mode in Bluetooth 5 that does forward error correction and trades some power use (in the sense of lower data rate -> longer transmissions) to better range. < 1631043512 808183 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what does forward error connection mean? don't all these wireless protocols use some error connection? but I don't know what "forward" means here < 1631043638 509137 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If I got it right, all flavours of Bluetooth except this new-in-5 "LE Coded" encoding only do error *detection* (and retransmissions), not error *correction*. < 1631043650 180812 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.bluetooth.com/blog/exploring-bluetooth-5-going-the-distance/ "Bluetooth low energy at version 4 does not perform error correction, only error detection. Bluetooth 5 introduces an error correction capability." < 1631044088 759851 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1631044298 984337 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently "forward" error correction refers to the fact that it only uses the forward channel and not a reverse channel (requesting resends) < 1631044817 693007 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1631045107 317921 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-11-154.catv.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1631045207 804879 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1631045503 557610 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1631045510 692738 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1631046104 988270 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs * :b_jonas < 1631046302 964787 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1631048049 869675 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1631048170 538773 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1631048170 932389 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1631049407 945932 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1631050298 568334 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1631050681 731046 :riv!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1631051833 739775 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1631051833 857003 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1631051833 970451 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1631051840 643075 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1631052790 556362 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1631054279 926659 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.204.31 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1631055957 920286 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.25 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1631056380 817795 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.25 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1631056791 632931 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1631056853 638305 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1631057163 763973 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.25 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1631058037 586420 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.25 QUIT :Quit: sorry about my connection < 1631058052 836711 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.25 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1631058137 589314 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.25 QUIT :Client Quit < 1631058152 555656 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.25 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name)