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< 1631689620 573961 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: i think fizzie's got it: code golf stack exchange is a good place to advertise your lang. you can FGITW new code golf challenges, start infinite bounties for answers in your lang https://codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5243 , nominate your lang for the 'language of the month' https://codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/q/19279 , and/or start a chatroom for golfing in your lang
< 1631689912 590175 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, and having an online runner for your esolang helps
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< 1631690356 243941 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :online runner is a good idea
< 1631691014 933835 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://ljkrakauer.com/LJK/essays/englishukus.htm -- we say "lift" and "chips"
< 1631691190 982023 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw I have a list of ~20 words that are used in Sourthern-Ukrainian dialect of Russian that are not being understood elsewhere -- part of them is from the Zapor. Cossacks slang
< 1631691250 879364 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also interesting that most of those words can be found in Wiktionary and have example of being used in literature so I assume writers traveled more or idk, but definitely had larger vocabulary than modern usual people
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< 1631691508 532116 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :few years ago when meeting with my Crimean cousin she said "can you imagine? people here in Moscow don't know the word 'skibka'!" (it's how you call a slice of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galia_melon)
< 1631691629 874374 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I checked it on my friend -- yeah, she didn't know it; then recently I used it in a dialog with a person from Bashkiria, also was confused, then I looked up and voila! https://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BA%D0%B0 
< 1631691743 325661 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, though both examples of usage in works of literature are by writers from Ukraine, hm
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< 1631694004 669033 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(found that word in a classic "Dal's Explanatory Dictionary" (1863) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explanatory_Dictionary_of_the_Living_Great_Russian_Language but in a bit weird coupling with meanings)
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< 1631698045 388222 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if there is any article about or an example how the first practice of making a ./lib/ dir appeared
< 1631698109 432242 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :like if someone made lib_some.c, lib_another_one.c, and then changed _ with / -- this is a historical event I imagine and would like to see described
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< 1631699723 472975 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :here in 1969 I see only "sys_lib" http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/honeywell/multics/swenson/6906.multics-condensed-guide.pdf
< 1631699842 598792 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's already "lib" in 1974 https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V5/usr/lib
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< 1631700435 670763 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow didn't see this before https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/Dennis_v1/UNIX_ProgrammersManual_Nov71.pdf
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< 1631705059 417582 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you take an example program calculating the factorial it holds a value Accumulator starting from 1 and a value Counter starting with stdin numeral and ending at 0 breaking the loop; essentially writing befunge or rasel code involves deciding which one of those two values should higher and lower on stack so it would use the least number of
< 1631705059 499581 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :read/write/swap instructions to shorten and so simplify the code; I imagine if you add a Threading here, just one thread that would work on decrementing the Counter and checking it for zero it would make it possible to eliminate most (if not all) of the swap instructions
< 1631705189 665194 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :essentially by replacing the swapping with read/write from the thread (which has own clean stack used only for the local needs); now I only think if threads should be arbitrary named or it's enough to have a stack of threads and pushing/pulling from one of two neighbor threads
< 1631705260 875413 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the idea is that introducing the threads won't make a program any bigger but would rather split it into reusable pieces of primitives
< 1631705334 220994 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the same piece of code can spawn more than one thread even for different purposes, like a piece of library
< 1631705782 887749 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also rasel's program space immutability with pull/push be the only way to exchange data would make it have no race conditions
< 1631705916 783279 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, not until multiple threads spawn other threads so you don't know how to order them, hm
< 1631705949 750868 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe it should be a tree of threads so no cycles
< 1631706137 679186 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so if thread A spawns threads B, C, D, and then issues the instruction "pull" it waits until B is pushing anything until B is dead, only then switches to pulling from C, then D
> 1631706427 332741 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Velato14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88071&oldid=51080 5* 03Shinsenai 5* (+100) 10Added link to a web frontend for the .NET Velato compiler in the Compilers and Interpreters section
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< 1631712600 916594 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: wtf is "ink recognition", and why is OCR no longer good enough?
< 1631712601 241981 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: write a procedure ( shift proc) where proc is the exception system. but it makes _me_ want to scream
< 1631712661 96446 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, quite coherent
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< 1631715599 202489 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there should be arrrrrrghs and kwarrrrrrghs
< 1631715707 30308 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :оust realised "lunatic" isn't "moonatic" for some reason
< 1631715709 725700 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*just
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< 1631719292 968899 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I was under the impression "ink recognition" is specifically about handwriting on a surface that captures the timing of the strokes (meaning you get to use slightly different algorithms), while OCR *could* be about that but is more general and typically performed on raster scans of printed materials.
< 1631719377 711330 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol velik can't reconnect because "we are enabling SASL for some IP ranges sometimes"
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< 1631720767 170929 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hwh, btw, just noticed that this thing in GCP worked: velik (~velik@nakilon.pro) -- it's in the settings of Compute Engine
< 1631720797 546813 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :even I don't have just cool hostname like bot now has _<>
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> 1631722366 252732 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Meowlang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88072&oldid=88068 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10/* Interpreters */ Cats for cats
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< 1631728095 957598 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like for languages other than "en" wikidata can have no description
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< 1631728115 422559 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wp-fi esolang
< 1631728116 584787 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : Esoteerinen ohjelmointikieli tai esolang on ohjelmointikieli, jotka on suunniteltu testaamaan ohjelmointikielen rakenteen rajoja. Yleensä tavoitteena on osoittaa erikoisia tapoja joilla systeemi voi olla Turing-täydellinen, eli kykenevä simuloimaan minkä tahansa muun tietokoneen tai ohjelman toimintaa. Esoteerisen ohjelmointikielen tarkoitus voi olla myös hauskuuttaa. Esimerkiksi ... https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteerinen_ohjelmointikieli
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> 1631729899 833622 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Velik14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88073&oldid=88045 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+432) 10added examples for \wp and \wa
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< 1631733658 527734 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`tervetuloa
< 1631733661 848668 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Tervetuloa esoteeristen ohjelmointikielten suunnittelun ja käyttöönoton kansainväliseen keskukseen! Lisätietoa saat wikistämme: . (Muu esoteerisuus: kokeile kanavaa #esoteric joko EFnet- tai Dalnet-verkossa.)
< 1631733971 677371 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it called suomi?
< 1631733979 108139 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is average word length?
< 1631734020 344799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen
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< 1631735561 894951 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? welcome.fi
< 1631735563 568550 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Tervetuloa esoteeristen ohjelmointikielten suunnittelun ja käyttöönoton kansainväliseen keskukseen! Lisätietoa saat wikistämme: . (Muu esoteerisuus: kokeile kanavaa #esoteric joko EFnet- tai Dalnet-verkossa.)
< 1631735574 329586 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: ^ the wisdom name that the command cats gives away the language
< 1631735664 640443 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah I realise it's finnish, just wasn't sure that suomi is
< 1631735684 93156 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it the same or
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< 1631736098 515309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :suomi is finnish for finnish hth
< 1631736150 412119 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :like Magyar?
< 1631736155 540187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :precisely
< 1631736162 283993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :or norsk
< 1631736192 660715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( or english )
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< 1631736293 304595 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` set -e; cd /hackenv/wisdom; cat welcome*
< 1631736294 371856 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) \ Velcume-a tu zee interneshunel hoob fur isutereec prugremmeeng lungooege-a deseegn und depluyment! Fur mure-a inffurmeshun, check oooot oooor veeki: . (Fur zee oozeer keend ooff isutereeca, try #isutereec oon
< 1631736296 344633 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
< 1631736308 651257 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if "...sk" is related to suffix "...ск" in Russian
< 1631736309 477597 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` set -e; cd /hackenv/wisdom; ls -df welcome*
< 1631736311 387839 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :welcome \ welcome.bork \ welcome.de \ welcome.eo \ welcome.es \ welcome.fi \ welcome.fr \ welcome.is \ welcome.ja \ welcome.nb \ welcome.nl \ welcome.ru \ welcome.sv \ welcome.tr
< 1631736337 955893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: i wouldn't be surprised
< 1631736356 425851 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"...ский" means something like "belonging to ...", and there are plenty of town names ending on "sk", "rsk", "nsk"
< 1631736388 367921 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`welcome.ru
< 1631736389 212317 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :welcome.ru? No such file or directory
< 1631736418 160100 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? welcome.ru
< 1631736419 791322 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​Добро пожаловать в Международный центр по разработке и внедрению языков эзотерического программирования! Для получения дополнительной информации посетите wiki: . (Для другого типа эзотеризма попробуйте #esoteric в EFnet или DALnet.)
< 1631736427 138857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't think we have a lot of such town names, but -sk is common suffix for "of nationality". russisk = russian, tysk = german, engelsk = english, svensk = swedish, japansk = japanese
< 1631736439 572008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*a common
< 1631736451 58243 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :why tysk? _Oo
< 1631736477 174343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: german in german is "deutsch" which is related
< 1631736488 825326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :plus/minus a couple historical sound changes
< 1631736637 877876 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :German in Finnish is "saksa" (for the language) or "saksalainen" (for the nationality). Or "Saksa" for the country. Wonder where that's from.
< 1631736642 884587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :-sk is also used for making adjectives from some other things.
< 1631736647 696641 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"From Old Saxon Sahsa (“a Saxon, a Low German”), a tribe/people inhabiting northern Germany (not to be confused with modern Saxony." Oh.
< 1631736672 218730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sachsen is still a german region (possibly state)
< 1631736672 991342 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, russisk = русский, japansk = японский; though not only about nationality but also for example, "belonging to programming" is "програмный", but "related to folks who are programmers" is "программистский"
< 1631736742 678958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :we also add -isk to -ist, e.g. marxistisk
< 1631736752 980218 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :anglo-sakses were who settled the England is what we studied
< 1631736763 422203 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :We also make Sweden -> Ruotsi. "From archaic ruotsi (“Swede”), borrowed from Old Swedish *roþs- (“related to rowing”) (compare modern Swedish ro (“to row”)); related to Old Norse Roþrslandi (“the land of rowing”), older name of Roslagen from where much of the Swedish-speaking population on the west coast of Finland originates."
< 1631736770 973772 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In other words, all our country names are wrong.
< 1631736778 37611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :and i'm not sure whether that's strictly the same suffix or just how we borrow greek/latin -ic-
< 1631736778 309899 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :on lessons of "country study" https://translate.yandex.ru/?text=%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5&lang=ru-en
< 1631736852 701767 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :marxistisk / марксистский
< 1631736885 806102 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And Russia -> Venäjä, "from Proto-Germanic *winidaz (“Slav”)". Clearly we can't manage to call any country by its proper name.
< 1631736889 229129 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/wrong/esoteric
< 1631736902 967379 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow
< 1631736909 504802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw although tysk = german, germansk = germanic
< 1631736913 944104 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :am I Venajsk?
< 1631736932 892989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't think finnish uses -sk
< 1631736946 861104 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you're Russian, you'd be 'venäläinen'.
< 1631736948 800853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :certainly not at the end of words
< 1631737008 364334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: ok now i need to know what you call norway
< 1631737022 156922 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: Quite boringly, it's just "Norja".
< 1631737026 209501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :darn
< 1631737057 900887 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :land of nords, I see
< 1631737065 892889 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think we must've asked the Swedes what your country should be called.
< 1631737089 124635 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there were kids who loved to make up names for other kids
< 1631737100 754937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah i think the swedes write "Norge" like we do but pronounce it as if it were "Norje"
< 1631737120 677028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(they may do that with most g+e)
< 1631737126 831068 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Svärje and Norje.
< 1631737166 300785 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the je ja also reminds me ья ье
< 1631737168 212830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :curiously for "Sverige" we pronounce it as "Svärje" too
< 1631737185 837904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :but "Norge" has a hard g in norwegian
< 1631737246 877148 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie how do you call CHina?
< 1631737296 575386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(that's Kina in norwegian. the K is pronounced as a palatal fricative, almost but not quite same as the swedes do)
< 1631737320 507458 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wish I knew what is palatal fricative
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< 1631737401 576033 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's probably something between "China" and "Китай"
< 1631737472 930145 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh google translate has audio
< 1631737528 477333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: i'd been led previously to believe that "хмельно́й" can have the х pronounced that way, but wiktionary's current IPA disagrees
< 1631737540 300182 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Kiina". I guess the further away it is, the more likely we're to adopt a name others have too.
< 1631737565 939945 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Doesn't entirely explain Norway, who we do have a land border with. But that's up in the north where it's all frozen anyway.
< 1631737570 398212 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Х is more dull than how google translate voiced your word
< 1631737596 585983 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like ХЬ, bit there no words with such digram
< 1631737628 587828 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Our "Kiina"'s k is just the voiceless velar plosive though.
< 1631737629 888212 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*bigram
< 1631737755 585214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: the г in мягкий may be closer
< 1631737762 664289 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan I guess this is that sound lol https://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%85%D0%B5%D1%80
< 1631737773 440100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(found it on top of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_phonology)
< 1631737865 380820 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, г sounds more like х if the next letter isn't vowel
< 1631737935 567486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: it's not just that it's like х but that х may also sometimes be palatalized if it's followed by a soft consonant.
< 1631737937 906052 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in Ukrainian г never sounds like х and is a very recognizable sign of Ukrainian accent
< 1631737953 635513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(according to that wikipedia page which i've previously read)
< 1631738106 731560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: figures that swear words can break some of the phonology rules
< 1631738120 732333 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :still not sure what "palatalized" but in all usual uses of х and in хмельной sound appears deeper in your mouth and sounds dull, but in хер to make the 'e' soft (since it's not 'э') the sound starts closer to teeth
< 1631738154 979956 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, that's a swear word but not that хуй is dull, not like хер ..D
< 1631738159 416282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: palatilized is the linguistic word for what most russian "soft" consonants do
< 1631738166 280095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*a
< 1631738194 950720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :it means closing the palate somewhat in the middle of the mouth
< 1631738213 921586 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I understand you if you mean those sounds that start like you are a snake ..D
< 1631738281 855149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i mean the sounds sometimes written with Ь following (+ a few "always soft" consonants.)
< 1631738294 145113 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep
< 1631738314 597920 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :though Ь also adds a short sound Й
< 1631738324 505848 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :like a transition
< 1631738420 577297 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :English speakers sometimes kind of add the Ь inappropriately, like they can't say "devochka", they say "dЬevochka"
< 1631738440 91346 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :can't join d with e for some reason
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< 1631738492 932041 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's weird since they have words like "daemon" but idk why they do that
< 1631738599 877519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i mean Ь at the end of a word or before a consonant. in front of vowel you use a completely different set of vowel letters but i'm too lazy to paste all those
< 1631738624 483676 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw about country names -- we have every country named similar to English, but there is an exception about Germany that is "belonging to Germany" is "Nemeckiy"
< 1631738657 298789 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm
< 1631738670 430873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :istr hungarian (magyar) for germany is Nemetország (possibly missing accents)
< 1631738705 781472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/N%C3%A9metorsz%C3%A1g
< 1631738711 894358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :missed one
< 1631738731 913322 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, accent on the first vowel
< 1631738740 8071 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :we have it on 2nd
< 1631738778 125770 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol oerjan did you see the synonyms list for хер?
< 1631738786 83869 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's the whole page
< 1631738802 891614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :assuming devochka is https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%B0 it's supposedly a soft d there
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< 1631738830 803977 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B0 but yeah the same sound
< 1631738883 635644 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well if it's an "е" and it's in Russian (as opposed to eg. Ukranian) then it has to be a soft "д"
< 1631738901 282484 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(with exceptions, sure)
< 1631738935 358524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah. russian has so many ways of making diminutives ("cute" version of words)
< 1631738971 279714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also, i feel obligated to say i don't really know russian.  i know four songs, that's about it.)
< 1631739030 146625 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-104.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know russian either
< 1631739070 67901 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like 300 ways to bypass the obscene language filter
< 1631739073 432364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs : heh, accent on the first vowel <-- hungarian accents are for length, not stress btw. (the stress is usually (always?) on the first vowel.)
< 1631739090 225334 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and to be GTFOed in a funny way
< 1631739276 28833 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would remove 1/4 of that list though
< 1631739290 418745 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :someone just wanted it to be big
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< 1631746510 394040 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Re incorrect country names: Apparently “Wales”, “Cornwall”, “Gaul”, “Wallonia”, and “Wallachia” are all related. And “walnut”. See, the Germanic *walhaz originally referred to a certain Celtic tribe, but became generalized to all Celts and then to any foreigner.
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< 1631748730 97996 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if shinh does not add rasel maybe I'll make some shitty analogue specifically for rasel
< 1631748758 890266 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could make auth using libera account
< 1631748809 236766 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like there is ircv3 capability to see the privmsg author account so one could message velik to create his account and set or generate password
> 1631749255 33634 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cammy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88074&oldid=87931 5* 03Corbin 5* (+149) 10/* Functors */ Floating-point instructions.
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< 1631749378 339130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Melvar: huh TIL Gaul is not from Gallia
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