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00:31:57 <fizzie> . o O (Whose idea it was that sqlite3_column_* numbers are from 0, but sqlite3_bind_* numbers are from 1?)
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01:07:28 <zzo38> I would guess Hipp, but I don't really know. Also, column numbers in ORDER BY are starting from 1 even though the column numbers in the C API are from 0, so I don't know why is that either
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08:34:47 <b_jonas> fizzie: sqlite_bind_* numbers need not be sequential though, if you use numeric placeholders like ?2
08:35:23 <b_jonas> but I also don't know why they're numbered from 1
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09:59:29 <fizzie> Is there a reason why a phishing spam might intentionally mistype the name of the company it's allegedly from, but only for some of the mentions? Just got two e-banking related ones, and one's from "Nordlea" (Nordea) while the other's from "Dankse Bank" / "Danke Bank" (Danske Bank). Both do spell it correctly on occasion, too.
09:59:40 <fizzie> Maybe they're just sloppy. "Danke Bank" is a bit funny though.
10:34:20 <int-e> bypassing spam filters that look for keywords and frequency?
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13:17:54 <wib_jonas> "Is there a reason why a phishing spam might intentionally mistype" => usually that's to avoid spam filters that know those are bad keywords likely to occur in spam. that can happen even for proper names like a company.
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13:24:34 <fizzie> Well, right, but then I'd expect them to be misspelled throughout. The Danke Bank one for example contains "Danske Bank" (the correct spelling) three times, plus one "Dankse Bank" and one "Danke Bank".
13:25:28 <int-e> but that would feel less organic ;)
13:47:12 <fizzie> Been seeing a bit of a spike in Finnish banking phishing emails, and also most of the recent ones have been using URL shorteners (t.co, some other) to make the "click here" links a little less obviously fraudulent, which I feel like wasn't quite as common earlier.
13:51:52 <int-e> next they'll be using one of those dedicated email link statistics gatherers and it'll be impossible to tell the things apart from a real email
13:53:59 <int-e> (I think I have only seen this kind of third party analytics in "newsletters" but training people to click totally opaque links is a terrible idea.)
13:54:44 <int-e> But it's all good if the URL bar shows a closed lock, right?
13:59:30 <wib_jonas> fizzie: ah yes, that makes it look like that infamous recipe: put secret information to google docs, set it to be shared with everyone who knows the link, protected only by the long random string in an URL parameter, give URL to an URL shortener.
14:01:04 <fizzie> int-e: There was one of those third-party analytics in an official government email, though I can't remember if it was the Finnish or UK government.
14:03:06 <wib_jonas> int-e: yeah, the "green lock symbol so it's safe" trope is so old it is used in two Jules Verne novels. In La Jangada, the only thing that proves the protagonist's inocence is an encrypted testimony by a dead person. It's encrypted, so it's real, not written by the protagonist. It is handwritten and the dead person is an office clerk so they can at
14:03:07 <wib_jonas> least compare handwriting samples, but good luck for that when the encrypted document is a sequence of random letters while the samples have real words in some language.
14:06:11 <int-e> I think I only know Jules Verne second hand (and third hand etc... it has spawned many levels of derivatives)
14:06:51 <wib_jonas> The other is "Voyage au centre de la Terre", where, when Axel asks if the encrypted message could be a forgery, Professor Lindenbrock responds indignantly on how you could ever suppose that such an excellent scientist as Arne Saknussem would commit forgery, ignoring the possibility that it wasn't Saknussem who wrote the encrypted message.
14:08:18 <int-e> Why does this remind me of the Dream Minecraft cheating scandal...
14:14:57 <wib_jonas> The latter is at least mostly cleared up by the rest of the novel. But for La Jangada, I can imagine a twist where the whole novel turns out to be told from the point of an unreliable narrator who forwards Joam's lies, and in reality the document is forged by Joam in Ortega's name and faking his handwriting. Torrès recognized Joam and blackmailed
14:14:57 <wib_jonas> him, knowing correctly that Joam was guilty, so Joam had him killed and then told the story where Torrès is more evil and blackmails him with the encrypted document knowing that he's innocent.
14:15:12 <wib_jonas> int-e: I don't know what that scandal is.
14:16:10 <wib_jonas> There are two more Jules Verne novels with encrypted messages by the way, for a total of four.
14:17:10 <int-e> wib_jonas: hmm, not sure which bubble that is from... https://www.ginx.tv/en/minecraft/dream-finally-admits-to-cheating-in-minecraft-speedrun was the conclusion, but there are dozens of videos about it on youtube
14:18:09 <fizzie> That reminds me of a TV comedy quiz show (a popular genre here) gag where one of the guest comedians has brought in toenail clippings of a famous person they bought off eBay, and when challenged on how they know they're genuine reply with "well I paid tens of thousands for them, those can't be just any old toenail clippings".
14:18:19 <int-e> anyway the thing that I was reminded of was that the argument "Dream is such a great minecraft speedrunner, he'd never cheat" was put forth quite a lot early on.
14:20:36 <int-e> (The problem is really the game... luck is a *huge* factor in speedruns.)
14:21:38 <wib_jonas> usually that argument is brought up about speedrunners who have invented new strats or shown hard work in speedrunning in other ways
14:21:49 <wib_jonas> displayed detailed knowledge about the agme
14:21:56 <Corbin> The irony is that the well-practiced athletes are the ones most likely to cheat, since they have the most to gain and also are often experts in how to cheat.
14:23:09 <wib_jonas> but yes, Minecraft is somewhat bad in this respect because the speedrun has too many luck elements that could be cheated and hard to control
14:23:45 <Corbin> https://lobste.rs/s/nusmxk/did_dream_fake_his_speedruns has lots of good thoughts on this.
14:24:56 <int-e> I really enjoyed that paper.
14:26:10 <int-e> (And then there's the story with the rebuttal... ah good times.)
14:26:59 <wib_jonas> admittedly there's an out-of-universe argument for why Joam is innocent: that's how typical Jules Verne novels work, with black and white characters, perfectly innocent and noble heroes and perfectly evil criminals opposing them
14:27:47 <wib_jonas> if Joam were guilty, then who remained the hero of the book? his children for trusting their father and trying to support him in every way to clear his name? kind of, but I don't buy it
14:28:28 <wib_jonas> is there even any other Jules Verne book that shows sympathic family of the villains? I don't recall any
14:30:19 <wib_jonas> the straightforward reading where Joam is innocent is more in line with Jules Verne's other books
14:30:57 <wib_jonas> but couldn't you suppose that Verne himself was deceived by (the fictional) Joam and wrote the novel based on his lies?
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15:34:15 <fizzie> int-e: I heard of that Minecraft controversy from the Stand-up Maths channel video.
15:34:27 <sprout> Egel news: a small theory of calculations modulo a state and an example. (https://github.com/egel-lang/egel/blob/master/include/calculate.eg ; https://github.com/egel-lang/egel/blob/master/examples/stategame.eg ) - basically, chaining actions.
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18:05:31 <fizzie> fungot: Just remember, a chatbot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being come to harm.
18:05:31 <fungot> fizzie: prose can be poetry too. i just rarely if ever happy. except for free samples.
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18:17:19 <sprout> https://twitter.com/egel_language/ thought maybe I'ld do some outreach. any follow appreciated
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22:03:09 <zzo38> I have many different email addresses since I use a different one for each correspondent, but have no spam filter set up. Still, I hardly receive any spam email messages, in this way.
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