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00:26:42 <nakilon> in an Austrian company we were importing data from the company called Igel
00:26:55 <nakilon> that meant a hedgehog in german I guess
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00:30:50 <keegan> imode: prick. recognize me now?
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00:35:57 <fizzie> It's 'igelkott' in Swedish, so that sounds plausible.
00:36:57 <oerjan> i too have learned that fact before (about Swedish and German)
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00:43:50 <keegan> you're the reason people don't get the shot
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00:50:25 <kronk> They're mad because I banned them.
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01:16:37 <keegan> kronk: I'm mad because you banned me for disagreeing with you, and smeared me as "anti-vax" when i'm nothing of the sort
01:16:49 <keegan> and furthermore insinuated that i'm some kind of russian troll plant
01:16:58 <keegan> when in fact I've been in channels like this one for the better part of a decade
01:17:15 <keegan> you clearly just can't handle people disagreeing with you
01:17:22 <keegan> and you're on a power trip
01:19:06 <keegan> anyway i shouldn't bring drama from other channels in here
01:19:19 <keegan> i'm just here because we were both regulars here (until i quit a couple weeks ago)
01:19:33 <keegan> so maybe you don't think i'm some astroturf account now
01:19:45 <keegan> you can check the logs if you want
01:19:47 <keegan> (I was kmc on freenode)
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01:32:05 * oerjan is confused by the nakilon/imode/keegan mutual hate triangle
01:32:22 <oerjan> . o O ( go get a room or something )
01:33:09 <nakilon> what is "russian troll plant"?
01:33:58 <oerjan> nakilon: a person presumably paid by the russian government to ruin America by fomenting discontent on social media.
01:35:45 <oerjan> there presumably are some russian trolls, whether they get paid i dunno.
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01:35:57 <nakilon> damn, no one told me I could be paid for that
01:36:05 <oerjan> i'm pretty sure keegan isn't one, though.
01:37:06 <oerjan> nakilon: that's just what you _want_ us to think
01:37:50 <oerjan> (frankly you bitch too much about people in russia to be one, too. but some of your other opinions come close.)
01:38:20 <nakilon> all people suck in different ways
01:38:52 <nakilon> velik are you russian troll plant?
01:39:07 <velik> used even you are russian
01:41:22 <oerjan> velik: typical whataboutism
01:41:32 <velik> and this for does remainder tank
01:43:14 <nakilon> velik is more russian than me -- he never spoke ukrainian
01:43:24 <velik> surprisingly, its conjunction octopuss does not to somewhere be around.
01:44:09 <oerjan> his grammar is more stereotypically broken, too
01:47:59 <imode> well, I came back to that.
01:48:35 <imode> somehow it's missing from my logs, but not kronk's.
01:48:56 <imode> someone needs a life.
01:49:08 <imode> anyway, sorry for the disruption, it probably won't happen again.
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01:53:45 <nakilon> oh remember I said that russians do a lot of spelling errors? today I saw this quote https://i.imgur.com/i9nh5UA.png it says: "Moscow State University Journalist Faculty: this year entrants did very badly in the dictation test, among 228 of them only 18% did <=9 errors per page of text while the rest (including 15 who got 100 points in school final
01:53:45 <nakilon> exams) did 24-25 error in average"
01:55:59 <nakilon> I don't communicate with pupils nowadays but people say that the computerization sucks and it caused rewriting all the tasks and more importantly the way how pupil is taught to solve problems
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02:03:08 <fizzie> I got a very stereotypically bad-english spam email today.
02:03:25 <fizzie> Had a look at it because the subject line of "Re: Artificial lawn gold supplier agent" sounded intriguing.
02:03:45 <fizzie> Are they supplying both artificial lawns *and* precious metals, or is it some sort of a golden lawn scenario?
02:04:12 <fizzie> Unfortunately I think it was just "gold supplier" as in a good supplier.
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02:07:49 <fizzie> The earlier "Re: API valves" was in the same category of subject lines. Is it about software, or about plumbing? Turns out it's just about plumbing, and the API is the American Petroleum Institute, a standards body in the field.
02:08:59 <fizzie> I don't know. Maybe it is to make it look like a response to an inquiry you might have sent out?
02:16:13 <nakilon> there is a weird "1986 Soviet sci-fi dystopian tragicomedy cult film" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin-dza-dza! -- there people used "Koo!" as a greeting; so sometimes we used "Ку" in chats, and in english layout it's "Re"
02:18:01 <nakilon> so then transliterating it back to cyrillic it became "ре", but it's not used by youth; it's the same forgotten as /me
02:20:19 <nakilon> funny that modern youth does not inherit most of internet knowledge and local traditions because their parents are too old for internet and didn't know it to teach them
02:21:37 <nakilon> for example in US there are families who play Quake in 3 generations already but here youth is kind of detached from those who older yet
02:49:44 <esolangs> [[Dual tape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=89188&oldid=89167 * Ch44d * (+2225) finish core docs
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04:22:45 <Corbin> nakilon: Russians (and Ukranians, etc.) who experienced the USSR directly tend to have a very distinct political behavior; they're critical of collectivism and democracy. This tends to clash with USA society, creating the impression that Russians are somehow anti-USA or anti-democratic. It's purely because of their life experiences, though.
04:23:53 <Corbin> The famous examples that come to mind for me are the dude who popularized Tetris https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexey_Pajitnov and a very bitter philosopher https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand
04:26:18 <Corbin> But also a bunch of people I've known on IRC. Had a former StarCraft team member (don't play anymore) who is Ukranian; he's nice, but has several neuroses from his childhood.
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07:20:56 <zzo38> Games to be converted to Free Hero Mesh: Windows Hero Hearts [DONE]; DOS Vampiric Tower [DONE]; DOS Hero Hearts; Berusky; PC Wanderer; Escape; Brain N Bells; Chroma; Xsok; PuzzleScript (with limited functionality). What might I have missed?
07:29:14 <esolangs> [[Dual tape ez]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=89195&oldid=87402 * Ch44d * (+4503) work on docs
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08:36:44 <nakilon> Corbin the thing about Ukraine is that banker Yushenko married US neonazi and got financed his faked 2004 president election victory -- since then Ukraine became separated in half on those who just want to live in peace like they were doing since USSR and those who live by Goebbels propaganda
08:41:44 <Franciman> I think US society can be criticized by others too :P
08:42:47 <Franciman> and it is well established that americans are anti-democratic too, for example in the Ustica case
08:42:55 <nakilon> Nazi Germany collaborationists were printing propaganda newspapers, writing the same nonsense on every page that "you are oppressed, we are coming to save you" but then end it with ethnic cleanings anyway, and they hired Galician Ukrainians to do those cleanings, to mass kill own Ukrainians and Jews -- Yushenko declared these collaborationists
08:43:30 <nakilon> started building monuments to them, now renaming streets, stadiums, etc.
08:44:04 <Franciman> nakilon: is the situation now better?
08:44:06 <nakilon> and the longer you do it the more people really believe it and now Ukraine is just half plain fascist society
08:46:57 <Franciman> another anti-democratic move of US, is the interference in the so called strategy of tension in the 80s effectively making italy lose all its cultural heat
08:47:18 <Franciman> not to speak about other middle east moves that were based on lies
08:47:59 <Franciman> but the US is not bad, really (no sarcasm). It gets MUCH WORSE as nakilon showed
08:49:08 <nakilon> Franciman they are the power since February 2014, the neonazis are privileged class, backed by government, police, doing journalist assassinations and not jailing even if the whole country knows who is the assassin; or for example, in May 2 2014 they burned 50 random people alive in a building Odessa and refuse to investigate, guess why
08:50:38 <Franciman> nakilon: are you safe speaking about this?
08:50:59 <nakilon> it was an act of terrorism made by the government, same as the ethnic cleaning they've started in mid April after spending March gathering the military forces and arming the nazi battalions, that resulted in people of Donbass to unite and arm themselves to defend from the ethnic cleaning, but world mass media just hides the chronology and cuts out
08:51:18 <nakilon> to fake the "Russian invasion"
08:52:04 <nakilon> Franciman I'm safe as long as I'm in Russia
08:52:24 <Franciman> be careful about the russian _singularities_ too
08:53:09 <nakilon> and since I don't post it in social networks, otherwise I would get listed in the Mirotvorec registry -- a website made by government to collect and publish private information such as bio and address for head hunters
08:53:31 <nakilon> when journalists get listed there they are often assassinated in few days
08:56:02 <riv> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvkUo05xtFM exurba video on language
08:59:44 <nakilon> "I'll show where there crayfish hibernate" -- ahah, yeah
09:00:30 <nakilon> it's synonym to "show them Kuzkina Mother!" said by Hruschev
09:02:11 <nakilon> that means "to stand for yourself" in a non-cursing way
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11:55:17 <esolangs> [[User:ArthroStar11]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=89198&oldid=89031 * ArthroStar11 * (-34) updated link to Calligulan Assembly
12:13:15 <nakilon> wow is it true? https://old.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/qi9s39/babies_left_to_sleep_outside_enforcing_immune/hiifk0r/?context=10 didn't know it is a thing
12:14:20 <nakilon> more specifically about sleeping outside at night or in the cold
12:15:09 <nakilon> also Iceland, Poland in other threads under this post
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12:47:25 <esolangs> [[User:ArthroStar11]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=89200&oldid=89198 * ArthroStar11 * (-219) updated link to BrainFisHQ9+
12:48:24 <esolangs> [[XSVL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=89201&oldid=87643 * ArthroStar11 * (-182) removed link to my unofficial interpreter as it is redundant
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14:32:56 <nakilon> looks like the only genders Google Cloud NLP defines are { GENDER_UNKNOWN NEUTER MASCULINE }
14:36:26 <esolangs> [[Asparagus]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=89202&oldid=78656 * Not applicable * (-50) update links to point to new gh acc
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15:23:54 <nakilon> so this channel Dec 2020 log after sanitizing weird chars, removing lines with code, removing nicknames (IIRC), passed through google's nlp, compacted and stored as JSONLas: [sentence, (array of)[strpos within sentence, word, lemma, parent word index, label, tag, morphology]] -- (4mb) https://paste.the-compiler.org/view/raw/4ffbee0f
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15:31:18 <esolangs> [[User:Palaiologos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=89203&oldid=81568 * Palaiologos * (+242) A mention of MalbolgeLISP
15:31:42 <kspalaiologos> hi hi, would someone be willing to help me out a little with a wiki article
15:39:43 <nakilon> kspalaiologos what's the problem
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15:44:08 <kspalaiologos> nakilon, the current MalbolgeLISP article is outdated and i don't really know if i should scrap it off and write it from scratch, or somehow rewrite it
15:44:33 <kspalaiologos> i.. actually wrote a book about malbolgelisp, so i don't think i have to describe malbolgelisp in my article
15:44:56 <kspalaiologos> i can provide some examples, i guess, but i don't know how to expand the article beyond a stub, or whether i should
15:47:14 <nakilon> if you are author I suppose you are free to edit it as you wish
15:47:35 <nakilon> as I can see the only other edit there was just copypasta of README that as you say is outdated
15:49:17 <nakilon> personally in my language I drew a border between wiki and github readme as github has as view text as possible, working as a reference documentation, while wiki can have more text, examples, edits by others, etc.
15:49:32 <Corbin> kspalaiologos: There's not yet any sort of editorial standards on the wiki. The two main things I would note (1) monospaced layouts are not preferable for prose, and so most of the sections should be converted to basic wiki markup; (2) categories should be added.
15:50:15 <Corbin> Feel free to reference your book, although if it's not freely available online then make sure to give exerpts and not just citations.
15:53:03 <kspalaiologos> the current Esolangs wiki article is somewhat bad and i want to improve it soon, i'll probably just supply an outline, give some examples and link the book
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22:55:23 <oerjan> nakilon: ok that's enough. i'm going to look up yushenko's wife on wikipedia and if i find no believable mention that's she's very right-wing i'm going to ban you. hth
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23:06:30 <oerjan> nothing as i expected, in fact much of her family was _killed_ by nazis.
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23:11:45 <oerjan> oh my mistake it was the holodomor, not the nazis. (although the nazis didn't treat them nicely either.)
23:23:37 <oerjan> also we forbade politics on this channel after one of his previous rampages.
23:44:13 <oerjan> which is a better reason for the banning, since i really cannot stomach the idea of trying to read enough crap to get a truly _balanced_ view of the ukraine situation.
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