< 1633046588 289998 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633047626 179458 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1633049691 665000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07JSCall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88465&oldid=88453 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+1082) 10 > 1633055767 54870 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88466 5* 03Maikeru51 5* (+907) 10Created page with " is a golfinglang created by [[User:Maikeru51|Maikeru51]]. It uses emojis as commands. =Commands= Commands refer to a buffer value. This will be called '''BuffVar'''. ==..." > 1633056723 483268 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Maikeru5114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88467&oldid=88421 5* 03Maikeru51 5* (+6) 10 < 1633062249 641107 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633062315 638431 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633066786 56965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1633067242 810105 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1633068348 400319 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633068366 488230 :monoxane0!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633068479 283600 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan JOIN #esolangs dbohdan :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1633068808 724793 :rodgort`!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de JOIN #esolangs * :rodgort < 1633068858 419855 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633068858 597866 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633068858 634464 :dbohdan3!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633068858 728177 :ccx_!~ccx@82.142.125.46 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633068858 728223 :monoxane!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633068859 706623 :monoxane0!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net NICK :monoxane < 1633068917 163296 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro JOIN #esolangs velik :velik < 1633069051 338476 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1633069243 147775 :ccx_!~ccx@82.142.125.46 JOIN #esolangs ccx :ccx < 1633072309 867304 :mcfrd!~mcfrdy@user/mcfrdy JOIN #esolangs mcfrdy :mcfrdy < 1633072337 777926 :rodgort`!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633072370 874607 :mcfrdy!~mcfrdy@user/mcfrdy QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633072416 329197 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de JOIN #esolangs * :rodgort < 1633072490 585443 :mcfrd!~mcfrdy@user/mcfrdy NICK :mcfrdy < 1633072903 599815 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas_ what was the IP lookup service you posted here a month ago? < 1633072966 909182 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633073063 97931 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there http? < 1633073215 591048 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs fizzie :Heikki Kallasjoki < 1633073222 701256 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633073238 256291 :EPic_!apic@apic.name JOIN #esolangs * :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1633073539 807842 :b_jonas_!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu NICK :b_jonas < 1633073555 11067 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: http://ip6.me/ < 1633073595 814987 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633073682 915910 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633073727 332035 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs HackEso :HackEso < 1633074220 22599 :Deewiant!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1633074233 180553 :Deewiant!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 JOIN #esolangs Deewiant :@deewiant:maon.fi < 1633074388 34757 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1633074392 901338 :nakilon2!~nakilon@user/nakilon JOIN #esolangs nakilon :Victor Maslov < 1633074948 788249 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1633075333 67845 :nakilon2!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn nginx, I don't understand it < 1633075493 93603 :nakilon2!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://dpaste.org/hNMv/slim curl -vx http://my.domain:80 https://api.myip.com < 1633075507 990316 :nakilon2!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it worked on my previous server setup but now it does not < 1633075525 638397 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633075526 606046 :nakilon2!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like nginx tries to work as a proxy and does not pass the request to tinyproxy:8888 at all < 1633075623 374176 :nakilon2!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :curl does > CONNECT api.myip.com:443 HTTP/1.1 and nginx says < HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request < 1633075743 630610 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633075907 668410 :nakilon2!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :while inside the network the "curl --dns-servers 127.0.0.11 -vx tinyproxy:8888 http://api.my-ip.io/ip" works fine (get's 301 to https) < 1633076953 400214 :integral!sid296274@user/integral QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633076986 453716 :yuu_!sid267332@id-267332.ilkley.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633076994 837023 :yuu_!sid267332@id-267332.ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs * :yuu < 1633077130 999126 :integral!sid296274@user/integral JOIN #esolangs integral :bsmith < 1633077767 515111 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1633077778 415057 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633077802 341236 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1633078750 894321 :nakilon2!~nakilon@user/nakilon NICK :nakilon < 1633079489 255226 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633079679 487518 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633079729 849763 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs HackEso :HackEso < 1633081534 666021 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633081746 632417 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633082021 829780 :EPic_!apic@apic.name NICK :APic < 1633082649 859931 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder how you would compress a sequence of floating point numbers that tend to be close to each other < 1633082655 121082 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :lossless < 1633082675 705456 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :zip them :p < 1633082682 489449 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose you could have a 'near' vs 'far' bit that lets you use fewer bits to express a delta when that's nearer < 1633082697 236629 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah zip is good too < 1633082725 99093 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would be good if you could seek, so there could be a limit on how many nears you can have in a row, but that's just encoding < 1633082732 851254 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :relative vs absolute, instead of near vs far < 1633083060 201743 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :depends on the distance U guess < 1633083118 241747 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if the distance in close pairs is let's say 32 times shorter and you don't want to precision to become higher then you can save 5 bits I guess < 1633083124 486437 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*I guess < 1633085524 494165 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh i just realized my idea wont be lossless < 1633085529 411658 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :since floats aren't translation invariant < 1633086253 702084 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is some joke that < 1633086258 378780 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in war time pi=3 > 1633088194 497951 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Senpai14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88468&oldid=88451 5* 034gboframram 5* (+1255) 10 < 1633090422 233779 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:ed67:f262:991e:7f5 QUIT :Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - 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Anywhere. < 1633091349 357686 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:791a:e64e:ebb5:e20 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633094527 838633 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv > 1633094899 749340 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88469&oldid=88445 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+19) 10/* A */ add < 1633095637 817431 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`learn The password of the month is working in mysterious ways. < 1633095642 985160 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is working in mysterious ways. < 1633095829 393035 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:791a:e64e:ebb5:e20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633096088 545016 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( Shorter version: "The password of the month is blasphemous." ) > 1633096155 588758 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Senpai14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88470&oldid=88468 5* 034gboframram 5* (+4359) 10 > 1633096254 107234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Senpai14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88471&oldid=88470 5* 034gboframram 5* (-1107) 10 < 1633096516 335393 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1633097328 860032 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:791a:e64e:ebb5:e20 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633097527 840908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1633097610 585288 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Senpai14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88472&oldid=88471 5* 034gboframram 5* (+1436) 10 < 1633098805 861797 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:791a:e64e:ebb5:e20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633099402 774943 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1633099426 629423 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633099598 260773 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:791a:e64e:ebb5:e20 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633100009 257413 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:791a:e64e:ebb5:e20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1633101387 839554 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:791a:e64e:ebb5:e20 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633102765 862703 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:791a:e64e:ebb5:e20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633103716 373608 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:791a:e64e:ebb5:e20 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633103738 734300 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :long-long ago I was told there is a way to calculate Pi by experiment < 1633103778 13833 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :draw a circle, draw diameter D, take a stick of length D/2 and throw it into the circle randomly < 1633103796 15540 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it will cross the Diameter line in 1/Pi cases < 1633103826 273846 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't try to check it but I wonder if it's the most simple way to do it < 1633103827 759032 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nice. This is a variant of Buffon's needle, I think: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffon%27s_needle_problem < 1633103930 142656 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Another technique is to put a circle into a square so that all four sides of the square touch the circle. Then randomly fill the square with points, and pi/4 of them will land in the circle. < 1633103966 326376 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the Buffon needle method accuracy is limited by the number of lines < 1633104045 7033 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah that will work too < 1633104073 913514 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Buffon's one is better though in the way that it does not need us to be able to draw a circle < 1633104300 283862 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Matt Parker, the Standup Mathematician, usually uploads every pi day (March 14) a different way of empirically approximating pi. Usually something very impractical. < 1633104316 847298 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhtC92GarkjyYbxI3-4qzIWIRbZaw4wuP < 1633104339 551795 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Weighing a circle was a pretty clever one, I thought. < 1633104497 320195 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1633104667 890324 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: yes, but that method and its kin converges exponentially slowly, so it's a very inefficient way to compute pi. I can give you other simple methods that converge much faster. < 1633104862 60945 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :? < 1633104965 928186 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :although now I wonder exactly how slowly other bad methods converge, including (6 \sum_{1\le k} 1/k^2), (90 \sum_{1\le k} 1/k^4), and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallis_product < 1633105032 486218 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :meh, rows are not fun < 1633105044 328035 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I want to throw things < 1633105050 99781 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and just divide < 1633105215 56706 :Manna5!~Quirck@83.29.151.32.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl JOIN #esolangs * :Manna5 < 1633105257 779510 :Manna5!~Quirck@83.29.151.32.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl NICK :Manna5_ < 1633105329 903052 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs ::O < 1633105332 883039 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :wallis product < 1633105401 468900 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :eval $sqrt3 = 1; $sqrt3 = ($sqrt3 + 3 / $sqrt3) / 2 for 0..5; $x = 2 - $sqrt3; $prod = 12; $pi = 0; for $k (1..27) { $prod *= $x; $pi += (0,1,0,-1)[$k%4] * $prod / $k; } $pi # compute pi by evaluating the Taylor series of (12 * atan(x)) around 0 at x = 2 - sqrt(3) = tan(pi/12) < 1633105405 882769 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot eval $sqrt3 = 1; $sqrt3 = ($sqrt3 + 3 / $sqrt3) / 2 for 0..5; $x = 2 - $sqrt3; $prod = 12; $pi = 0; for $k (1..27) { $prod *= $x; $pi += (0,1,0,-1)[$k%4] * $prod / $k; } $pi # compute pi by evaluating the Taylor series of (12 * atan(x)) around 0 at x = 2 - sqrt(3) = tan(pi/12) < 1633105407 652926 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: 3.14159265358979 < 1633105411 171948 :Manna5_!~Quirck@83.29.151.32.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl NICK :Manna5__ < 1633105441 970716 :Manna5__!~Quirck@83.29.151.32.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl NICK :Manna5 < 1633105458 241479 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ here's one that converges at a decent speed. it's not the fastest method that you'd put in a library if you want to compute a lot of trigonometry, but it's quick to describe as a one-liner and easy to understand and gives you a linear number of digits instead of an exponential one. < 1633105486 551908 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you want fast methods, you'd look in bignum libraries of course < 1633105582 832940 :Manna5!~Quirck@83.29.151.32.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633105988 129248 :Manna5!~Quirck@83.29.151.32.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl JOIN #esolangs * :Manna5 < 1633106089 927041 :Manna5!~Quirck@83.29.151.32.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633106129 648096 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\rasel J1J//6-"q"/.@ < 1633106141 908435 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : output: 3.1415929203539825 , exit code: 0 < 1633106329 838817 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633109782 322882 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1633110905 359060 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633112110 318370 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1633112909 412303 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1633113262 615147 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.3 < 1633113470 402349 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1633113624 294145 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1633114169 711107 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1633114375 389375 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:791a:e64e:ebb5:e20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633114890 838865 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:791a:e64e:ebb5:e20 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633114938 634689 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633115014 657765 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1633115220 421795 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1633115747 456935 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Binary 5* 10New user account < 1633115855 5814 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1633116003 855442 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1633116199 667275 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88473&oldid=88454 5* 03Binary 5* (+128) 10/* Introductions */ > 1633116248 100073 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrible14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88474 5* 03Binary 5* (+80) 10Created page with "'''Terrible''' is a word in English Language, that describes something very bad." < 1633117037 561665 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1633117736 711158 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1633117771 412830 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633118712 322157 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1633118809 211125 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1633119414 296485 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1633120443 802271 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1633120625 640607 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :argh, spare phone won't turn on. I can't tell if it's just battery flat or something worse. I have to do the stupid loop { connect good charger, try to turn on, keep charging for an hour, disconnect charger, wait 30 seconds, } procedure < 1633120650 526632 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh good, now it says it's charging < 1633120664 870186 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it is probably flat battery < 1633120985 975771 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a Nexus 5X that just stopped working in the past, I've been wondering if I should fiddle together a serial port cables for it just in case it would help any. IIRC, it did *something* over USB too, but not the normal Android bootloader things, something more manufacturer-specific. < 1633121797 320729 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633122463 276804 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this one did start now, so the battery was just flat because this is a spare phone so I rarely bother to charge it < 1633122476 240633 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially because I didn't travel during the pandemic < 1633122688 322231 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633122894 386569 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1633122959 789383 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633122972 572042 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1633123250 435525 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1633123658 469809 :immibis_!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 NICK :immibis < 1633126503 355889 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1633128174 508358 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1633130409 838671 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1633130443 722444 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there a standard name for the concept that's equivalent to one variant of a Rust enum, i.e. a tag specifying which of several various possible types something has, together with a list of arguments? < 1633130504 43595 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure I mean "type" here, it's semantically useful to have multiple different tags for the same argument list < 1633130545 862884 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this seems like a concept that comes up in a lot of contexts and is generally useful, and I'm confused that I don't know what it's called > 1633130608 492734 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88475&oldid=88464 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+89) 10added code order > 1633130699 604723 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88476&oldid=88475 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+16) 10added wiki creator clarification < 1633130765 767181 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've seen "case", "claw" (as in having multiple "claws" in a switch), "variant", and "discriminant". < 1633130811 431298 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :TIL that CORBA calls them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discriminator < 1633131074 375019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1633131563 192828 :immibis!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1633131791 699036 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :ugh. < 1633131794 289940 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been stuck. < 1633131796 283351 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :for three days. < 1633131801 243542 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :on this simple `dup`. < 1633131896 328942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :are you saying you've been duped < 1633131986 67972 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://hastebin.com/wesarudapo.py < 1633132019 934467 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :line 207. _dup_num. it should 100% be able to shorten that. < 1633132054 412438 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :362 commands. for that. < 1633132066 71623 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :all it does is duplicate a unary number. < 1633132707 217238 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I think that's called "constructor", at least in Haskell < 1633132840 801229 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: but also according to https://doc.rust-lang.org/nightly/std/mem/fn.discriminant.html rust calls "discriminant" the number that tells only which constructor is used in an enum value, without the parameters for that constructor < 1633132852 279837 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and that page talks about "enum variant" < 1633132905 837226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: your question is vague enough that haskell's "algebraic datatype" seems to apply < 1633132930 731147 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"https://doc.rust-lang.org/nightly/reference/items/enumerations.html" mentions "variant", "constructor", and "discriminant" < 1633132943 862690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh hum < 1633132948 602510 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also "enum variant" < 1633132965 307479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :misread the question, i think. what b_jonas said. < 1633133007 397030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(i interpreted "variant" in the colloquial sense) < 1633133046 123484 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :they're sum types, so call them "terms"? < 1633133049 902267 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and product types have factors? < 1633133070 314133 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you might also try to look in C++ papers, because they use "constructor" for something else so they will probably have different terms < 1633133273 934322 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Each of the various different things in an std::variant is an alternative, but that's probably not quite the same. < 1633133351 807845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( are all these different word for it meta-variants ) < 1633133354 289312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*s < 1633133542 334082 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :keegan: Prolog uses "term" but I think that also includes things like integers, which I want to exclude from this < 1633133558 342811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( a programming language with obstructors and instructors ) < 1633133560 905795 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, an integer is probably actually a special case of this in Prolog < 1633133571 506554 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you might look in http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2015/p0095r0.html and its followup papers, that's the paper that suggests first class support for rust-like enums into C++, but I don't know what its afterlife is and what followup papers there are < 1633133581 458324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: i think "functor" is the prolog term? < 1633133593 785750 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think functor might be the name for the tag specifically? not sure though < 1633133604 513920 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have some prolog docs open at the moment, I've been trying to figure this out < 1633133630 6158 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like "functor" specifically refers to the tag plus the number of arguments < 1633133636 897141 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. the functor of a(b,c) is a/2 < 1633133679 953588 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, got it: the precise Prolog term for what I'm looking for is "compound term" < 1633133811 873615 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess there probably isn't a standard name? this is surprising < 1633133910 137308 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursaga < 1633133924 613448 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, "tagged union" seems fairly universal as a general name for the type these things belong to, but "tagged union value" is a bit of a mouthful < 1633133929 202600 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hm, are we allowing infinite unions? It would be surprising if an integer were a tag value, since that would be hard to exhaustively code against. < 1633133938 633114 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633134010 25027 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've always known that stuff as tagged unions, ais523. < 1633134067 97555 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: Prolog does, but I'm not planning to < 1633134091 944262 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :imode: right, I was looking for a name for the sort of thing that's a value of a tagged union (without necessarily needing to indicate which union it belongs to) < 1633134140 755933 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm. value, I guess? good question.. < 1633134255 997963 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the context is that I'm making a vaguely jsonlike format that handles tagged union / list / integer rather than dictionary / list / integer in a way that maps across languages (primarily for internally representing ASTs in a language I'm writing, although if it ends up useful in other contexts too I have no problem with that) < 1633134456 649003 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :currently I'm leaning towards "term" to represent these, but there's one major issue with that, that discourages me: because I'm extensively representing ASTs in this sort of format, it's going to come into context with grammars a lot, and in the context of a grammar, it represents a nonterminal rather than a terminal < 1633134547 647947 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(so calling it "term" may be a little confusing juts due to the similarity of names) < 1633134553 254983 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I may go with it anyway though < 1633134885 82806 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess "object" isn't horrible < 1633134905 737299 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or maybe there's some sort of definition, defining it by what it isn't (it isn't a number or list) < 1633135349 989924 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you have other data formats other than union/list/integer (such as byte sequences)? < 1633138423 118390 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I've been considering strings, but I think I'm going to represent them as lists of codepoints < 1633138433 290715 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(where the codepoitns are integers) < 1633138468 398615 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also floats but those don't map neatly between languages < 1633138510 596758 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :How big are integers allowed to be in this format? < 1633139561 237343 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, do you have a document? < 1633139740 627937 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I think it should allow bignums (although not all programs will be able to read them) < 1633139769 314558 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I don't have a document yet because I'm still designing it, I need to work out the details before I can write them down < 1633139775 593078 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK < 1633141193 990771 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I'm not surprised that there's no standard name yet. these are functional programming concepts, they have all kinds of conflicting names between multiple programming languages that reinvent them with different variants, just like the list operations < 1633141245 36042 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think that's a terminology that won't be covered by TAOCP so that can't spread a name either < 1633141474 6325 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :we have names like monad and you're wondering why there's no standard name yet? all of them are invented or obscure. :P < 1633142557 947945 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"monad" is the standard name for a monad, though < 1633142604 860191 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's not even a clear preference for "sum" vs "coproduct" here. < 1633143198 894690 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.93 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1633145225 518187 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88477&oldid=88476 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+130) 10fixed some inline code blocks > 1633145503 600148 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88478&oldid=88477 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+30) 10replaced 'hate' with 'strongly disapprove of' > 1633145640 185316 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88479&oldid=88478 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+173) 10added link to more examples > 1633145683 286479 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88480&oldid=88479 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+4) 10fixed github link < 1633146029 904717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :clearly they should have kept the name "triple" for monads, would have avoided so much confusion hth > 1633146030 141578 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88481&oldid=88480 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+214) 10added adder example > 1633146068 5460 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88482&oldid=88481 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (-49) 10Removed partial sentence > 1633146190 521486 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88483&oldid=88482 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+4) 10Added full-stops / periods / circular-punctuation-which-follows-the-end-of-a-sentence. > 1633146443 430650 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:GoodCoderBBoy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88484 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+217) 10create page > 1633146514 470031 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:GoodCoderBBoy14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88485 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+224) 10created page > 1633148401 337396 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Composite14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88486 5* 03ArthroStar11 5* (+2946) 10created page and provided link to my interpreter > 1633148500 160243 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88487&oldid=88469 5* 03ArthroStar11 5* (+16) 10added my language "Composite" > 1633148563 831135 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ArthroStar1114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88488&oldid=87640 5* 03ArthroStar11 5* (+132) 10 < 1633148762 973939 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"monad" just doesn't come up much, Haskell is the only one that has it as a full abstraction, as opposed to just particular monads < 1633148853 256144 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Monad" and other names are used in mathematics, and can also be used in a computer program < 1633148964 191786 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and they already have "burrito" as the alternate name, maybe that's what the next generation will call it < 1633149348 237005 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :burrito was the worst song < 1633149823 811924 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you know what should be a convention of suffix of file names of composite puzzle sets? (No suffix is required, although perhaps there should be the convention, to be distinguish from non-composite puzzle sets) < 1633150265 903370 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I've heard "summand" sometimes, for part of a sum. < 1633150279 824910 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Actually, I saw "summand" too sometimes < 1633151186 316413 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there a implementation of UNIX compress/uncompress that implements the Quasijarus compression format other than Quasijarus? (I could write one without too much difficulty, but would want to know if there already is in any Linux package) < 1633151578 78586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite > 1633154994 998809 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:XSVL14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88489 5* 03ArthroStar11 5* (+1182) 10Created page with "== some observations == Hey, I was looking through your source code and noticed a couple of things. It's perfectly fine the way it is but I feel these may be helpful if you go..." > 1633155358 41181 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:XSVL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88490&oldid=88489 5* 03ArthroStar11 5* (+0) 10fixed typo in example code < 1633155358 417269 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633157649 855398 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1633158773 774279 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633158784 392612 :immibis!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1633159786 390659 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1633159967 35977 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:GoodCoderBBoy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88491&oldid=88485 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+35) 10added esolangs created list > 1633159980 270454 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:GoodCoderBBoy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88492&oldid=88491 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+2) 10fixed link > 1633160076 903971 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:GoodCoderBBoy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88493&oldid=88492 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+0) 10fixed link > 1633160089 932197 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:GoodCoderBBoy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88494&oldid=88484 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+44) 10added esolangs created list > 1633160574 453079 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88495&oldid=88483 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+374) 10added exit conditions < 1633160692 382831 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river > 1633160772 6452 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88496&oldid=88495 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+48) 10AutomataFuck DOES NOT SUPPORT NESTED LOOPS. > 1633160881 25937 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88497&oldid=88496 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+50) 10how do nested loops behave > 1633160964 91083 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88498&oldid=88497 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+15) 10code execution updated > 1633161164 698640 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88499&oldid=88498 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+99) 10implementations section < 1633161928 634439 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633162128 639456 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633162701 750300 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1633162950 846178 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1633163583 975286 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88500&oldid=88499 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+159) 10Details and corrections > 1633166344 435552 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88501&oldid=88500 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+1) 10moved categories to the bottom > 1633166624 303195 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WikiFuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88502 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+1247) 10Page created > 1633166667 490004 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WikiFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88503&oldid=88502 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (-14) 10made code inline > 1633166738 260446 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WikiFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88504&oldid=88503 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+14) 10undid last edit > 1633167367 225649 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kolmogorov14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88505&oldid=88363 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+178) 10Added a hyperlink to the 99 bottles of beer program to the external sources. < 1633168056 633760 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633168174 633771 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633168230 503293 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1633168254 737888 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WikiFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88506&oldid=88504 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+1129) 10instruction table > 1633168632 646314 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WikiFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88507&oldid=88506 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+37) 10added credit < 1633168640 292706 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633168797 189478 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1633169062 304846 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633169081 903057 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1633170044 928749 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wish new languages were not just memes around the esolang wiki < 1633173346 759607 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633175004 375858 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1633175766 319321 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1633180206 687112 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, the whole "what if I made silly syntax!?" urge is boring. At the same time, it's a necessary byproduct of refusing to agree on society's typical limitations for programming languages; we don't require readability. < 1633181997 32806 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`factor 1114111 < 1633181997 985121 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1114111: 1114111 < 1633182019 616216 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> maxBound :: Char < 1633182021 64660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : '\1114111' < 1633182070 553601 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`factor 111412 < 1633182071 419584 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :111412: 2 2 7 23 173 < 1633182180 999212 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :At least this one is fleshed out and implemented < 1633183773 51711 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1114111, is that the Unicode number? Yeah. So recognizable. < 1633183874 57296 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :well spotted < 1633183961 684686 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :cursed video games controls: qsdz for ←↓→↑ and no option to remap keys < 1633184053 451583 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AZERTY is why) < 1633184075 736958 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I thought it was something designed for someone who's sitting at a 45° angle with respect to the keyboard, and off to the left. < 1633184201 992257 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :We had a school trip to CERN once, all the keyboards there are azerty. I zqs spelling qll zeird qll the time. < 1633186471 51010 :costledger_!~cost@103.134.42.228 JOIN #esolangs * :cost < 1633186577 527746 :costledger_!~cost@103.134.42.228 PART :#esolangs < 1633188636 244795 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :`factor 1114112 < 1633188637 44738 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1114112: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 17 < 1633188687 6079 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Seventeen planes of 2¹⁶ codepoints each.) < 1633188766 684688 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops < 1633188957 383959 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also written as 0x110000. < 1633188980 838322 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-17-76-68-65-112.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver < 1633189627 944581 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also the limit of what utf-16 can encode < 1633189659 402390 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :FWIW, "oops" was less about the typo and more about not immediately realizing that the result I got was nonsense. < 1633189960 440940 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :I figured as much. The typo happens to anyone. < 1633191057 816661 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there a stack lang with algebraic data types? < 1633191483 669230 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( STG? ) < 1633191532 604873 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess that is a serious answer, really... look at implementations of functional programming languages and you'll find such things. < 1633191708 365601 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does it have to be a stack language, or just a tacit/concatenative language? < 1633191712 21650 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Huh. Didn’t realize that was stack-based? Though now that I think about it … the scraps I’ve heard sort of make that answer make sense. < 1633191926 423694 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, well, I was thinking about a specific way to have construction / deconstruction work that depends on a stack. (cons that packs the tag atop the stack and the field values below it into a single stack element, uncons that reverses this, case/match which branches on a tag). < 1633191959 142445 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :And was wondering whether this has been done before and what alternatives there are to accomplish the same thing. < 1633191986 258781 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. Have you seen Joy? < 1633191997 739666 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not really? < 1633192029 410570 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah. Joy would be a good language to look at, then. http://tunes.org/~iepos/joy.html is a decent introduction which skips a lot of the category theory. < 1633192081 599972 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The main issue is *custom* data types. Any high-level labeled ADT can be built from basic ingredients: Sums, products, fixpoints. The labeling is the valuable ingredient, as it can be used to enforce well-typedness in certain nice ways. < 1633192209 681027 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I actually read that concatenative combinators page. < 1633193113 357987 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633193113 431388 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633193163 456653 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-17-76-68-65-112.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1633194562 664224 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1633195667 429683 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1633196106 767719 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1633196951 536291 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz… < 1633203597 167661 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1633206298 189940 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stardust14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88508&oldid=88440 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-1815) 10Blanked the page > 1633206321 858148 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Starstuff14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88509 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+1816) 10Created page with " '''Starstuff''' is a (family of) programming language(s) by [[User:PixelatedStarfish]]. It is designed such that an arbitrary sequence of characters can be interpreted as sou..." > 1633206357 161950 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88510&oldid=88437 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+2) 10/* Stardust */ > 1633206421 167202 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Starstuff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88511&oldid=88509 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+4) 10 < 1633208407 881110 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1633208420 586207 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Blame iczero something happened < 1633208420 668761 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1633208583 397442 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1633208713 378800 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :probably iovoid? < 1633209412 423384 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633209441 188949 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1633209472 487481 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1633209472 487537 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Blame iczero something happened < 1633209621 841768 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1633209676 418376 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :probably iovoid? < 1633210975 649000 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Blame iczero something happened < 1633210975 893060 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: iovoid has quit! < 1633211228 576107 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :probably iovoid? < 1633211392 252019 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1633214323 573529 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Windows Update sure can be vague: "We need to do a few more things before you can update. We'll let you know when we're done and what to do next. This window will automatically close in 2 minutes." < 1633214352 829447 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Booted it for the first time in a year or so, it's always a huge mess of updates.) < 1633214621 801501 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Those things always happen when I boot to Windows. < 1633214643 870926 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why is updating such a mess? < 1633214660 669665 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Shouldn't it be possible to do everything in the background unintrusively until the final switch to the new configuration, which should be instant? < 1633214666 789012 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, even in the cases where you need to reboot. < 1633214874 564329 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1633214945 716171 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :... yeah, that's nice, until it eats 100% of your disk access time (at high priority, or something), and actually using the computer for anything is impossible < 1633215876 436052 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1633217587 283670 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot NICK :GPLv3 < 1633217607 555468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1633219704 223684 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Quit: ... < 1633220599 451018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hooloovoo: you'd think _not_ giving it high priority would be the point of doing such things in the background, but no... < 1633220623 37979 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :it *may* have been a case of failing drives. not sure < 1633221235 911032 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:791a:e64e:ebb5:e20 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633221644 743668 :GPLv3!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot NICK :Noisytoot < 1633222186 419327 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule > 1633223148 25886 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cammy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88512&oldid=88405 5* 03Corbin 5* (+19) 10/* Floating Point */ Add function for getting sign bit. Turns out that it can't be built from f-lt alone, thanks to -0.0. > 1633225364 629234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Starstuff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88513&oldid=88511 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+112) 10/* Compiling */ > 1633225379 429036 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Starstuff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88514&oldid=88513 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+2) 10/* Base 200 Compiler */ < 1633227119 758366 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 JOIN #esolangs spruit11 :anon < 1633227458 571409 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1633227871 578887 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633228882 581323 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1633229092 186985 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633229164 892452 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633229759 175336 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1633230896 379900 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633231228 325694 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633232398 599522 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633232681 581382 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1633232975 484677 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :what's a good way to compress brainfuck? > 1633233574 921140 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Starstuff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88515&oldid=88514 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-88) 10/* Base 200 Compiler */ < 1633234242 662485 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633234380 386498 :benji_!~benji@user/benji JOIN #esolangs benji :benji < 1633234410 486470 :feoh7!~feoh@137.184.104.30 JOIN #esolangs feoh :Chris Patti < 1633234414 362539 :keegan_!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com JOIN #esolangs * :beehive < 1633234512 404465 :Trieste_!T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1633234514 635217 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1633234527 333729 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs Melvar :melvar < 1633234537 395717 :slavfox_!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1633234549 489458 :scjosh2!~scjosh@206.189.79.69 JOIN #esolangs scjosh :Josh < 1633234640 858808 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN #esolangs * :Shachaf Ben-Kiki < 1633234647 848270 :imode1!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1633234821 41113 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633234821 412303 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633234821 444973 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633234821 445019 :zegalch!~zegalch@178.128.75.133 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633234821 622856 :benji!~benji@user/benji QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633234821 655542 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633234821 655584 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633234821 707569 :feoh!~feoh@137.184.104.30 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633234821 707646 :scjosh!~scjosh@206.189.79.69 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633234821 781214 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633234822 336314 :benji_!~benji@user/benji NICK :benji < 1633234865 981887 :zegalch!~zegalch@178.128.75.133 JOIN #esolangs zegalch :The Lounge User < 1633234887 861921 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1633234916 354423 :feoh!~feoh@137.184.104.30 JOIN #esolangs feoh :Chris Patti < 1633234923 618507 :rodgort!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633234923 765561 :feoh7!~feoh@137.184.104.30 QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1633234930 246341 :rodgort`!~rodgort@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de JOIN #esolangs * :rodgort < 1633234954 425051 :Trieste_!T@user/pilgrim QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633234981 989413 :slavfox_!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl NICK :slavfox < 1633234981 989483 :scjosh2!~scjosh@206.189.79.69 NICK :scjosh < 1633235004 126067 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com CHGHOST ~shachaf :user/shachaf < 1633235006 783068 :shachaf_!~shachaf@user/shachaf NICK :shachaf < 1633235137 439946 :immibis_!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 JOIN #esolangs immibis :realname < 1633235146 881530 :moony9!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1633235291 566232 :benji_!~benji@user/benji JOIN #esolangs benji :benji < 1633235304 449529 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633235304 482132 :benji!~benji@user/benji QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633235304 482173 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633235304 893949 :moony9!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :moony < 1633235308 441812 :immibis!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633235308 489077 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633235336 662460 :benji_!~benji@user/benji NICK :benji < 1633235419 359006 :keegan_!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633235432 450508 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com JOIN #esolangs * :beehive > 1633235506 839687 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Twink14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88516 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+849) 10Created page with "'''Twink''' is a programming language created by [[User:PixelatedStarfish]]. It is designed for [[Starstuff]] such that any sequence of characters can be converted to runnable..." < 1633235531 413394 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :Corbin < 1633235576 436066 :DutchIngraham!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch > 1633235597 820430 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Starstuff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88517&oldid=88515 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+2) 10/* Hexadecimal Compiler */ < 1633235602 847095 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1633235625 248088 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Starstuff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88518&oldid=88517 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+1) 10/* Modulo Compiler */ > 1633235662 829390 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Starstuff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88519&oldid=88518 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+2) 10 > 1633235686 988746 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Twink14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88520&oldid=88516 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+70) 10 > 1633235803 809653 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88521&oldid=88510 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+94) 10/* Starstuff */ < 1633235833 954743 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1633235833 954789 :zegalch!~zegalch@178.128.75.133 QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1633235834 895337 :moony9!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1633235834 895379 :moony9!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :moony < 1633235854 922864 :jix!~jix@user/jix QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633235861 351955 :zegalch!~zegalch@178.128.75.133 JOIN #esolangs zegalch :The Lounge User < 1633235874 433889 :jix!~jix@user/jix JOIN #esolangs jix :Jannis Harder > 1633236017 360216 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Starstuff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88522&oldid=88519 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+5) 10/* Decimal Compiler */ > 1633236034 448226 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Starstuff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88523&oldid=88522 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-14) 10/* Modulo Compiler */ > 1633236046 483486 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Starstuff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88524&oldid=88523 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-14) 10/* Cumulative Compiler */ < 1633236069 386483 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633236085 915955 :integral!sid296274@user/integral QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1633236089 451556 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Twink14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88525&oldid=88520 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+4) 10/* Commands */ < 1633236154 468426 :integral!sid296274@user/integral JOIN #esolangs integral :bsmith < 1633236155 346297 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1633236381 714120 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs Melvar :melvar > 1633236406 292311 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Twink14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88526&oldid=88525 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */ < 1633236409 423406 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633236417 812186 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN #esolangs int-e :Bertram < 1633236437 881472 :integral!sid296274@user/integral QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1633236438 951550 :integral!sid296274@user/integral JOIN #esolangs integral :bsmith < 1633236442 377324 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633236442 442644 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1633236444 384639 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Twink14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88527&oldid=88526 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */ < 1633236456 599658 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1633236541 395254 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1633236902 747543 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633237184 721000 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1633237726 226978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1633238760 772430 :Melvar`!~melvar@dslb-178-001-195-022.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de NICK :Melvar < 1633245758 838484 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633248523 626116 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633248552 649999 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633253576 227775 :chiselfu1e!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1633253700 641552 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633254059 579065 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633254895 839067 :imode1!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633256208 665232 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, that's odd. There's this monitor, even if it's not connected to power at all (all outlets here have physical power switches in them) the computer says it's connected, and can tell the make, model and supported resolutions. I guess it gets enough juice over HDMI to run that much of the logic, and uses the real power supply just to drive the actual display part of it. > 1633262588 388040 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07)0,1(14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88528&oldid=88436 5* 03Rphii 5* (-23) 10/* Motivation */ grammar < 1633266197 405859 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :5V/55mA is plenty for a bit of logic. < 1633266219 364153 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1633266275 58348 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I actually wouldn't be surprised if the standard mandated that functionality. But (as usual) I'm too lazy to check... it is of little consequence. < 1633266589 616711 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633266600 550026 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1633266851 376986 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :basic implementation of DCC is just an I2C memory chip connected to power and I2C line on the connector, doesnt need any connection to the other electronics in the monitor < 1633266892 930248 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure if mandated, but certainly intended to work that way < 1633267327 419090 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it makes sense. Slightly a shame, though: I was hoping I'd get a monitor hotplug event from turning that thing on/off, but of course it just appears connected all the time. < 1633268074 453820 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"I zqs spelling qll zeird qll the time." => the "m" in "time" is wrong < 1633268686 99498 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, that too. All the ti,e. < 1633268707 874287 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't *actually* switch layouts there, I just tried to approximate. < 1633271099 436965 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-17-76-68-65-112.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver < 1633271357 411858 :mla!~mla@162.253.176.229 JOIN #esolangs mla :mla < 1633271368 475152 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1633271403 342995 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1633271825 730475 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633271843 939078 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1633275798 320393 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633275815 546515 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1633275908 611945 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633275932 453433 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1633276616 323471 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633278286 854510 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1633278646 160671 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 NICK :arseniiv < 1633278651 594380 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you know the notion that a space has cardinality equal to sum of 1/N for each orbit where N is the cardinality of that orbit? Could we think of something simple having cardinality, say, 7/2? Can’t pair an odd number of elements, so the simplest approach fails < 1633279950 252940 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-17-76-68-65-112.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1633280694 447971 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633280900 759167 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv: Have you read Baez & Dolan on this topic? A set with seven elements, quotiented by a set with two elements, will do the trick. We can think of six of seven elements as grouped in pairs, and then the seventh element is mapped to itself. < 1633280951 188265 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :All of the pairs have two automorphisms (they're ordered), but the seventh element only has one because it's equal to itself; it counts for half. This gives 7/2. < 1633281022 600496 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://arxiv.org/abs/math/0004133 explains this in painful but fun detail, building a weak quotient which has the desired property. < 1633281086 283178 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Tao might be more readable: https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2017/04/13/counting-objects-up-to-isomorphism-groupoid-cardinality/ < 1633281283 65821 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 NICK :sprout < 1633281320 379402 :imode1!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1633281550 828426 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 QUIT :Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1633281575 838790 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633281762 581461 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: wouldn’t 6 paired elements need to be counted as 3 then? < 1633281807 369944 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv: Yeah, and indeed 3 + 1/2 == 7/2 in traditional arithmetic. < 1633281965 677462 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can look directly at p13 of Baez & Dolan for some helpful diagrams. They use the example of 5/2. < 1633281990 493047 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(But you'll have to read the first half of the paper if you want the justification for why it's allowed.) < 1633282013 738593 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I came up with a groupoid with objects in isomorphy classes of 1, 2, …, 33 objects, each one having two isos to each of isomorphic objects, one iso is a “direct” one and one is a “twisting” one, two twisting composing to a direct, and a direct from an object to itself is its id, thus all compositions are defined correctly and that’s indeed a groupoid. Then we have 33 isomorphism classes and each o < 1633282079 879185 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: oh, thanks for the Tao link, didn’t read him about that < 1633282102 903892 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: 3 + 1/2 = 7/2 oops I forgot how to calculate < 1633282132 775043 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mm, so you'd have 33 isomorphism classes over a weak quotient of two automorphisms each, for a cardinality of 33/2? I admit that I still don't understand it fully. < 1633282164 650321 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I forgot to mention my N was actually 33 and forgot that I simplified it to 7 but did elaborate in ##math afterwards. Lose track of two threads at once < 1633282228 756339 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: I’ll read Tao and write with which of we wrote that aligns better < 1633282248 231406 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Cool, good luck. < 1633282300 630121 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh a bit of a post got eaten off, it didn’t happen before to my client, it chunked overlong posts before < 1633282315 653801 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks :) let’s see < 1633283457 747239 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: yeah, Tao indeed starts with weighing 1/|[x]| for each element x but then he shows this troubles uniform sampling and corrects that to 1/(number of isos from x), which is in accordance with counting just auts for a single representative of each isomorphism class < 1633283496 531453 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633283810 756301 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1633283850 148261 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, we could just have {−16, …, +16} acted by {x ↦ +x, x ↦ −x} after all. Then the corresponding groupoid will have two auts for {0} and just one for any representative of {−n, +n} for nonzero n, so overall 16 + 1/2 = 33/2 < 1633283869 821923 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it can be pretty confusing < 1633283891 97335 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :now how could I make rot cypher with this… < 1633283941 367448 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I need to treat almost half of the alphabet somewhat interchangeable but not totally interchangeable… eh < 1633284582 49558 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I made it unknowingly! x ↦ −x here is the rot-33/2 I looked for < 1633284771 261391 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 QUIT :Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1633284788 862169 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633289912 418349 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ > 1633294260 127163 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07InterpretMe14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88529&oldid=87755 5* 03OliveIsAWord 5* (-48) 10 < 1633294450 329555 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633294532 980060 :imode1!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.2.1 < 1633294547 411658 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1633294673 353667 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1633295056 585582 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[073switchBF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88530&oldid=73804 5* 03OliveIsAWord 5* (-45) 10refactored python code < 1633295840 245182 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1633295842 345699 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633296000 815910 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1633297357 420325 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633298047 605418 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633298389 840823 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:48e0:d11a:2551:c508 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633299102 397421 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:7da6:2d3:65ff:ac76 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633299373 376868 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:7da6:2d3:65ff:ac76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633300246 761609 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1633300358 632484 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633300986 940118 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do they drag boats by horses? < 1633301031 793581 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :along canals yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towpath < 1633301101 930023 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :not so much anymore < 1633301927 738798 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was playing the GURPS earlier today, and that is what they did, or at least what they tried to do. But, the boat was too slow and the horse refused to move due to seeing something unsafe. So, instead we took the sign attached to the horse (we were trying to alert someone on the island) and attached it to the boat to use as a sail; fortunately the wind was correct for doing that. < 1633302470 608595 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, that's fortunate < 1633302954 651679 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:7da6:2d3:65ff:ac76 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633303310 569210 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:7da6:2d3:65ff:ac76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1633303845 354923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1633305183 407144 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:7da6:2d3:65ff:ac76 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633305478 432518 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:7da6:2d3:65ff:ac76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633308087 839649 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:7da6:2d3:65ff:ac76 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633308388 842789 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:7da6:2d3:65ff:ac76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633311566 434643 :DutchIngraham!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.3 < 1633311659 403819 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1633316210 961324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :whee my Dbfi derivative now can run . and , < 1633316224 484722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :now i just need it to manage to halt next... < 1633316254 607071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(<>[] still unimplemented/unadapted) < 1633316519 681873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm actually the order it runs , and . and my debug printing makes no sense < 1633317214 362300 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel JOIN #esolangs earendel :AmoreFS < 1633317561 837767 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:7da6:2d3:65ff:ac76 JOIN #esolangs * :anon > 1633317621 387145 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88531 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+932) 10Created page with "'''Astridec''' is a programming language created by [[User:PixelatedStarfish]]. It is designed for [[Starstuff]] such that any sequence of characters can be converted to runna..." > 1633317634 831997 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88532&oldid=88521 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+3) 10/* Twink */ > 1633317792 506756 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Twink14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88533&oldid=88527 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-806) 10 > 1633317844 461106 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Starstuff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88534&oldid=88524 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+12) 10 > 1633317881 722288 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Starstuff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88535&oldid=88534 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-62) 10/* Cumulative Compiler */ > 1633317905 360000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Starstuff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88536&oldid=88535 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-17) 10/* Modulo Compiler */ > 1633317914 556843 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Starstuff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88537&oldid=88536 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+5) 10/* Decimal Compiler */ < 1633317975 447713 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if PixelatedStarfish has, like, a roadmap of some sort. It seems like they're producing many IRs but I'm not sure what their overall compilation strategy is supposed to be. > 1633317994 691211 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88538&oldid=88531 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+28) 10/* Commands */ > 1633318141 504857 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88539&oldid=88538 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-4) 10 > 1633318158 984521 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88540&oldid=88539 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+1) 10 < 1633318284 626991 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633318378 647847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :yay it halts and seems to run all +-., commands correctly < 1633318438 325959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and all the bugs so far were stupid mistakes) < 1633318450 632356 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1633319328 436330 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88541&oldid=88532 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+18) 10/* Blood32 */ > 1633319626 385294 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88542&oldid=88487 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+15) 10/* A */ > 1633319735 917380 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88543&oldid=88542 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+16) 10/* S */ < 1633320489 577112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :[ seems to work < 1633320489 848161 :j-bot!~jbot@irc.supplies PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: seems to work < 1633320578 849771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm glad you agree < 1633320664 840563 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:7da6:2d3:65ff:ac76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633326962 630144 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1633327155 672238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1633328527 860888 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:7da6:2d3:65ff:ac76 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633329733 444240 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633329958 181110 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1633331314 993496 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:BrainfisHQ9+14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88544 5* 03ArthroStar11 5* (+575) 10Created page with "== My interpreter == I have updated my interpreter fix the looping bugs in the brainfuck portion of the language and the interpreter is now fully backwards compatible with all..." < 1633332186 622110 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :was billed for $6 for a server on GCP < 1633332210 198879 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :switched the machine type to get into the Free Tier and pay $0 < 1633332218 697523 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :was billed for $10 < 1633332304 458273 :immibis_!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633334760 634159 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633334788 810536 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633334937 627723 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633339111 860903 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633339419 321190 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com JOIN #esolangs * :citrons > 1633339512 256582 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88545&oldid=88501 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+96) 10added truth machine example > 1633339733 522323 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88546&oldid=88545 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+112) 10minor changes > 1633339972 539426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AutomataFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88547&oldid=88546 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+100) 10added link to truth machine < 1633341556 82309 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie > 1633350060 168829 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Senpai14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88548&oldid=88472 5* 034gboframram 5* (+15) 10/* Expressions */ < 1633353501 522079 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633355160 411263 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1633355293 584976 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1633356029 58135 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633356056 326253 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633357022 217957 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine < 1633357074 447435 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02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88556&oldid=87250 5* 03Zapasite 5* (+32) 10 < 1633363600 336671 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633363744 786118 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.201.228 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633364141 330110 :xylochoron[m]!~xylochoro@2001:470:69fc:105::e2e1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1633364161 568385 :xylochoron[m]!~xylochoro@2001:470:69fc:105::e2e1 JOIN #esolangs * :@xylochoron:matrix.org < 1633364365 813776 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1633366697 281487 :jryans!~jryans@2001:470:69fc:105::1d QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1633367043 296651 :jryans!~jryans@2001:470:69fc:105::1d JOIN #esolangs jryans :@jryans:matrix.org < 1633367996 337062 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode > 1633369289 58426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Senpai14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88557&oldid=88552 5* 034gboframram 5* (+289) 10A little bit more info on Variables < 1633369451 621085 :immibis_!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1633370707 335913 :benji!~benji@user/benji QUIT :Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in < 1633371300 398371 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.3 > 1633371433 824501 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88558&oldid=88540 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+22) 10 < 1633371462 879596 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch > 1633371562 376701 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88559&oldid=88558 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* Commands */ < 1633371799 191542 :benji!~benji@user/benji JOIN #esolangs benji :benji > 1633371857 736515 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88560&oldid=88559 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+24) 10 > 1633371867 619720 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88561&oldid=88560 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10 < 1633375767 593017 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1633375799 348069 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly JOIN #esolangs FireFly :firefly < 1633376469 128036 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :weird that there is no name for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelling_salesman_problem without a return to origin < 1633376600 548279 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine that you have a bunch of photos and you want to order them in such way that playing the sequence would be rather smooth than chaotic < 1633376621 520389 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there is no need to have start match the end < 1633376657 497892 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :imagine if these are photos of a landscape during the day and they got shuffled < 1633376849 331386 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :eulerian vs hamiltonian cycle/path? < 1633376869 942923 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that distinction is more the cycle vs. path part. < 1633376925 540044 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"The Shortest Hamiltonian Path Problem (SHPP) is similar to the Traveling Salesperson Problem (TSP). You have to visit all the cities, starting from a given one and you do not need to return to your starting point." < 1633376946 443742 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although you could argue that's not really a name, more a description. < 1633377182 145274 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( Retiring Salesperson Problem ) < 1633377233 566985 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've heard several names for it, based on the real-world problems involving garbage trucks, busses, or other vehicles with home garages. < 1633377234 546698 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although that quoted bit conflates two changes: the bit that it's a path rather than cycle, and the bit that the starting point is fixed. I imagine there's no reason why you couldn't also just ask for the shortest Hamiltonian path from any starting point. < 1633377237 999239 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though I guess that suggests a fixed starting point, meh < 1633377369 631202 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633377448 647963 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1633377519 869238 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633377691 336487 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1633378009 971259 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :FWIW, apparently you can pretty much reduce either to the other. For the picture thing, add one extra photo at a fixed distance from all the other photos, and find the shortest Hamiltonian cycle: that gives the shortest Hamiltonian path on the original photos. < 1633378654 452167 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, that's a neat trick < 1633378832 82296 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The other way around is trickier: you add two extra vertices with degree 1 (so they have to be the start and end of any Hamiltonian path), attach one to an arbitrary vertex and the other of a copy of that vertex with the same neighbours, and then find the shortest Hamiltonian path, which is then the shortest Hamiltonian cycle in the original graph (treating the copy as the original). < 1633379492 338111 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1633379991 715102 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633380743 690787 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1633381157 336881 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1633384713 106696 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633385667 336999 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1633388150 668144 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1633388280 340030 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1633389264 754568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1633389876 725528 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:7da6:2d3:65ff:ac76 QUIT :Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1633389940 338961 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:7da6:2d3:65ff:ac76 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633389956 626243 :spruit11!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:7da6:2d3:65ff:ac76 QUIT :Client Quit < 1633390016 338636 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:7da6:2d3:65ff:ac76 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633391546 736658 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1633394838 804601 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Bluh. I "fixed" my "status bars get all confused when monitor configurations change" issue by just having the bar thing sort monitors by position (so that the numbering is stable), but now the problem is, Xmonad still uses the "physical" numbers when sending the status updates (window titles, visible workspaces) so now they're showing the wrong thing. < 1633394942 176633 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Really, I'd be fine sticking with the physical numbering (it's very predictable for this setup), the problem would seem to be that GTK invents its own way of numbering them when it's a long-running process; the numbers match initially, but get out of sync whenever there's any changes. < 1633395301 852023 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. Maybe they don't, after all. At least now that I'm querying them via the Display rather than the Screen. < 1633395769 468962 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are many things I dislike about GTK, although that isn't one of the things I have had to deal with < 1633396406 742683 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :`olist 1245 < 1633396408 641126 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olist : shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas > 1633396714 616518 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88562&oldid=79841 5* 03Iamn00b 5* (+2) 10/* Design Principles */ > 1633398277 438418 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88563&oldid=65056 5* 03Iamn00b 5* (+269) 10 > 1633398305 913915 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88564&oldid=88563 5* 03Iamn00b 5* (+74) 10 > 1633398787 50138 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Keg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88565&oldid=88564 5* 03Iamn00b 5* (+13) 10/* Regarding multiple-digit numbers */ < 1633400001 769751 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :a-floor(a/3) = ceil(2a/3)? < 1633400123 871642 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll take this graph as a no on that < 1633400638 987241 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :a-floor(...) isn't an integer unless a is one, while ceil(...) is one always. < 1633400674 917159 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :a is always an integer. The graphing thing I'm looking at doesn't know that >.> < 1633400827 418563 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In that case, I'd probably just consider the three cases of a = 3b, a = 3b+1 and a = 3b+2, for an integer b. < 1633401122 879515 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If a = 3b, a-floor(a/3) = 3b-floor(b) = 3b-b = 2b, ceil(2a/3) = ceil(2b) = 2b, so it's true for that. < 1633401125 334098 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If a = 3b+1, then a-floor(a/3) = 3b+1-floor(b+1/3) = 3b+1-b = 2b+1, while ceil(2a/3) = ceil(2(3b+1)/3) = ceil(2b+2/3) = 2b+1, so it's true for that too. < 1633401301 510015 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And if a = 3b+2, then a-floor(a/3) = 3b+2-floor(b+2/3) = 3b+2-b = 2b+2, while ceil(2a/3) = ceil(2(3b+2)/3) = ceil(2b+4/3) = 2b+2, so it's true in that last case too. < 1633401330 893155 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs : /^[^#][0-9a-fA-F]+$/.test("red") < 1633401331 29606 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :true < 1633401349 224182 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Did I forget the alphabet? Is r between a and f? < 1633401380 111324 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :....r isn't a # character < 1633401383 365476 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, but it's [^#]. < 1633401388 429525 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right. < 1633402685 192019 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm... https://research.ibm.com//haifa/ponderthis/challenges/October2021.html isn't so hard < 1633402774 201253 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Well, I think this has the potential to be hard, but the concrete instances to be solved aren't.) < 1633404119 261678 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633404155 636151 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633413668 391606 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633413668 867221 :delta23_!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1633413727 610094 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633416059 926455 :delta23_!~delta23@user/delta23 NICK :delta23 < 1633416540 34044 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633417524 233562 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there a time-traveling salesman problem? < 1633417617 820021 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that would be the landscape photos < 1633417683 934301 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is sitting and waiting an "a bit forward time travelling" < 1633417685 8025 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :? < 1633417772 491070 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm if rafting can be considered a travelling then I'm a time traveller < 1633417921 338379 :delta23_!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1633417928 670291 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by delta23_)) < 1633417932 593027 :delta23_!~delta23@user/delta23 NICK :delta23 < 1633418421 860377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1633418867 857973 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf ubuntu suddenly decided to stop everything https://dpaste.org/Cc3x/slim < 1633419107 689267 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633419260 726031 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably I need "apt-mark hold" < 1633420710 337259 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1633421161 641697 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633421199 239839 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lmao dude drew this in MS Paint I guess https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8#/media/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Tic-tac-toe-full-game-tree-x-rational.png < 1633421240 910078 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(3rd from left, 3rd from bottom) can't go right down, the arrow is wrong < 1633421278 703699 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :no analysis for middle of edge... < 1633421301 129162 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :since I don't see this image in English article I guess there it was already removed but in Ru no one spotted < 1633421310 277067 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this one looks better https://gfredericks.com/blog/76 < 1633421321 137550 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv title says it's "partial" < 1633421361 626898 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633421366 989238 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait, there is also a Description of this file at the bottom, it's in Russian and it says it's "full" < 1633421370 889051 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :facepalm < 1633421560 103660 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633421560 180193 :jix!~jix@user/jix QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633421560 212486 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633421560 255202 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633421560 449161 :scjosh!~scjosh@206.189.79.69 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633421560 449208 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1633421693 167332 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah author is Russian so it probably wasn't copied from Eng article but is his own drawing https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Mike_like0708 < 1633422145 771027 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro JOIN #esolangs velik :velik < 1633422165 64507 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :velik how do you like that Ubuntu has killed you? < 1633422170 293117 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : yes, conventions are a rightmost sense because those... There are hanled years although do happen whether doing especially < 1633422204 774832 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: do you mean https://xkcd.com/832/ ? see its errors listed in https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/832:_Tic-Tac-Toe#Errors before you use it < 1633422205 98775 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :velik are you now brain damaged? < 1633422209 476825 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : but already, you can know lists over libraries to forget the instruction to use? Version dies bluetooth, but too breaks abcdefghij... < 1633422263 575063 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1633422263 575125 :jix!~jix@user/jix JOIN #esolangs jix :Jannis Harder < 1633422263 575144 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1633422263 575160 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com JOIN #esolangs * :beehive < 1633422263 575173 :scjosh!~scjosh@206.189.79.69 JOIN #esolangs scjosh :Josh < 1633422263 575190 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1633422295 382158 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas I guess there is automatically drawn one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tic-tac-toe#/media/File:Tictactoe-O.svg < 1633422321 46092 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1633422445 940634 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, are you hosted on facebook servers? < 1633422446 161654 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: of yourse it matters to me < 1633422473 839667 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :velik are you? < 1633422485 137090 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : hi oh wow < 1633422623 808582 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1633422866 756001 :Everything!~Everythin@37.115.210.35 JOIN #esolangs * :Everything < 1633427414 461273 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1633429004 733053 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is the TTTSP actually just the same as the minimum spanning tree? < 1633429012 864059 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I guess it depends on your time travel model. < 1633429059 522974 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was assuming the one where your salesman can jump back to any city they've already been and go somewhere else, without having to visit those cities they've "already" been to in the other timeline. < 1633429284 731616 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm < 1633429311 702102 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, is the time-traveling salesman problem actually just the same as the minimum spanning tree? < 1633429311 885079 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: what do you mean ' the compiler'), but < 1633429321 838467 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you mean teleportation it does not have to be a single tree < 1633429372 272051 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Time-travel isn't teleportation. < 1633429378 226059 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or you could teleport to all them directly tough < 1633429383 670255 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok then I don't get you < 1633429409 754511 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I don't know how exactly going forward in time would work for that problem. < 1633429410 496726 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I got you, you mean the backtracking < 1633429452 228578 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also you can wait in place until the town grows and covers your location < 1633429647 631362 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but if you get back in time the branch is no longer visited < 1633429694 51393 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :unless you go back with something from the branch, like it you were time-travelling robber < 1633429698 669180 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*like if < 1633429772 999306 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: so in your model, would time travel rewind the world *and* the salesman's location, but not the salesman's body and mind, so they still get aged and spend subjective time in the branch that they rewound? < 1633429824 770538 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course there's the original problem of why the salesman isn't allowed to visit the same town twice, I presume that's because after he tries to sell his stuff people there hate him so much that it would be dangerous for him to return < 1633429860 959958 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :he's the traveling conman who can only do his con once in each town, and he has to travel very fast so that he can be faster than the news travels < 1633431729 507886 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :he needs to sell things online < 1633431735 76525 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :to be faster than news travel < 1633431775 810039 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmm actually this explains why people are being taught to stop writing and do only reading in internet < 1633431874 384306 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :just few weeks ago I realised that the internet (at least Runet) was very different just 10 years ago -- all people were blogging and participating in forums, while now no one has a blog, the term "blog" has been actually redefined to "paid photos of new brand clothing in Instagram" < 1633431944 496079 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and no one participates in forums, admins stop paying for hosting, and only web archive has 0.1% of them indexed < 1633432022 938397 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :writing and posting is discouraged because it would allow you to spread news about bad salesmen > 1633433004 651481 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A-M)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88566&oldid=88119 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+0) 10/* Befunk */ Made an edit to Befunk example due to an edit on the Befunk article > 1633433009 586166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Befunk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88567&oldid=88198 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+13) 10Made an edit to the Hello world program due to a previous edit. > 1633433445 986331 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Befunk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88568&oldid=82368 5* 03Nakilon 5* (+152) 10/* consider using netpbm */ new section < 1633433542 489636 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if there's a case when some software or other creative work allows you to distribute it under any of two copyright licences with different conditions, and you distribute that software and gain advantage from not specifying which of the two license conditions you are planning to satisfy. < 1633433718 628908 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :For example, the two licences are the Mozilla one and the GPL, you distribute only the binary and refuse to give the source code because you claim that the Mozilla license allows you to not give out the sourcecode, but also patent some technology that you use in your modifications, and refuse to give a patent license, claiming that the GPL allows < 1633433719 129150 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you to not give a patent license. You aren't allowed to do both of those, but it's unclear how anyone else can enforce that, because I don't see how they could make you say which license conditions you're using to distribute the software. > 1633433747 467059 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88569&oldid=88230 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+13) 10/* Befunk */ Edit code due to Stasoid's edit on Befunk < 1633433932 142548 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :except that example doesn't work < 1633433953 113424 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I wonder if there's a plausible example with existing dual-licensed works > 1633434545 603597 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fugue14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88570&oldid=78990 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+24) 10Changed link target < 1633435166 649783 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :can't you have the same software mirrored under two different titles? < 1633435203 686310 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and claim that they are different, it's just a coincidence that you won't find any difference other than the name < 1633436306 158190 :daggy1234[m]!~daggy1234@2001:470:69fc:105::d315 JOIN #esolangs * :@daggy1234:matrix.org < 1633436306 845751 :daggy1234[m]!~daggy1234@2001:470:69fc:105::d315 PRIVMSG #esolangs :l < 1633436388 817291 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633437241 765804 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1633439048 766131 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1633439224 30509 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1633440387 859440 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/oYVaHMC.png < 1633440399 711953 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is how I imagine the algorithm < 1633440483 36207 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you start connecting the closest pairs until you get 3-star, then you take these 4 vertices and bruteforce all ways to join them, blacklisting the edge that was discarded < 1633440504 408508 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then go to the next 3-star < 1633441444 872820 :Everything!~Everythin@37.115.210.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633441779 100378 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but depending on whether I allow creating a conflict line only starting with some of the existing ends or not, it leads to two different results in this case https://i.imgur.com/88etK7t.png < 1633441878 381288 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the bottom one not only avoids bruteforcing more than 3-star but also ends up more correctly < 1633441965 235707 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I wonder if tehre is a counter example where even in the bottom algorithm it would produce a conflict line with two 3-stars on some >=2th step < 1633442764 805989 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1633443145 438386 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1633443400 240926 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1633444768 771344 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also the blacklist should be cleared after the conflict is resolved before the next line added (that we do until everything is connected, i.e. edges = vertices - 1) < 1633445050 334884 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1633445451 334826 :Everything!~Everythin@37.115.210.35 JOIN #esolangs * :Everything < 1633446326 863410 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-17-76-68-65-112.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver < 1633449535 451179 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1633449544 847991 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633449677 514807 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-17-76-68-65-112.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1633451555 847671 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633452530 335904 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1633453485 581464 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633453515 632097 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633456578 462928 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule > 1633457081 249340 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Headass14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88571&oldid=87350 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+82) 10documented bug in implementation that im not going to fix lol > 1633457449 404550 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03InfiniteDonuts 5* 10moved [[02Seltzer Spigot10]] to [[Seltzer]]: Rename "Seltzer Spigot" to just "Seltzer" < 1633457539 965290 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1633457567 630286 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633457995 55139 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633458017 163446 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633458760 332487 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633460398 231676 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633460717 93815 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Should the "attack" and "defense" stats in Pokemon be called "physical attack" and "physical defense" instead? < 1633460842 194589 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: no, it's originally a Game Boy game, so all the text has to be short to fit on the screen easily < 1633461184 989584 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :In the original game yes, but I mean to change it for newer games. This is to distinguish from "special attack" and "special defense". < 1633461733 605402 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The first game just had a "special" stat, although newer ones have "special attack" and "special defense") < 1633462002 340884 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1633462130 336098 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly JOIN #esolangs FireFly :firefly < 1633464542 336612 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule > 1633465538 499790 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Digital Miracle14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88574 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+10278) 10+[[Digital Miracle]] > 1633465560 731998 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88575&oldid=88553 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+22) 10+[[Digital Miracle]] > 1633465575 59107 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hakerh40014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88576&oldid=88446 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+22) 10+[[Digital Miracle]] > 1633466194 835612 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Digital Miracle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88577&oldid=88574 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+0) 10/* Equality */ > 1633466385 710189 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Digital Miracle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88578&oldid=88577 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+4) 10 > 1633466690 194763 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88579&oldid=88450 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+1558) 10/* The Standard Library */ - hex.mul update, lookup-tables explanation. < 1633468725 486205 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1633469291 337015 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1633472511 939059 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633472569 861256 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633472693 353906 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1633473004 757445 :immibis_!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1633473341 127372 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :someone said about gameboy < 1633473436 631831 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :just randomly read about Mednonogov (guy who made several cool games for ZX Spectrum in early 90s when was a student), then visited his group in vk.com, then found that tehre is an IDE for Oberon https://github.com/Oleg-N-Cher/XDev < 1633473501 390136 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there was some repo for programming for gameboy here https://github.com/Oleg-N-Cher?tab=repositories&q=&type=source&language=&sort= and looks like Github thinks Oberon is Modula-2 < 1633475117 26527 :src!~src@user/src JOIN #esolangs src :realname < 1633477789 337342 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1633478224 625256 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633478240 650281 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1633479593 325462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1633479659 166720 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1633480534 918368 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Re the monitor enumeration thing, I think the problem is, GTK (well, GDK) prefers not to renumber a monitor that's not "changing". So if I have monitors 0=A 1=B matching the X physical screen numbering, unplug A to leave 0=B, and then re-plug A again, what I get from GDK is 0=B 1=A (so that B gets to keep the number), but what XMonad `rescreen` sees is the original "natural" 0=A 1=B due to just < 1633480536 385878 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :re-fetching the Xinerama info. < 1633481865 249715 :src!~src@user/src QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633487279 599160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :`addquote of course there's the original problem of why the salesman isn't allowed to visit the same town twice, I presume that's because after he tries to sell his stuff people there hate him so much that it would be dangerous for him to return < 1633487285 644898 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1336) of course there's the original problem of why the salesman isn't allowed to visit the same town twice, I presume that's because after he tries to sell his stuff people there hate him so much that it would be dangerous for him to return < 1633487384 338579 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:7da6:2d3:65ff:ac76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1633487395 276781 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:BytePusher14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88580&oldid=60091 5* 03Iamn00b 5* (+392) 10 > 1633487427 322208 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:BytePusher14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88581&oldid=88580 5* 03Iamn00b 5* (+11) 10/* Difficulty accessing resources in external websites */ < 1633487513 221893 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Internet MIME types can have + to indicate the format of the data, e.g. JSON or ZIP. Is there a code to specify that the format is plain text (even if the type isn't plain text)? > 1633487914 555714 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Spellcaster14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88582&oldid=88352 5* 03Maikeru51 5* (+1231) 10Pretty Much Changed Everything. < 1633489147 338645 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:3914:a7b1:2a0f:e9d8 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633489160 848450 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Perhaps the MIME type system is not quite good enough. To properly specify a file format might need the (format,type,usage) triple, with the possibility of specifying more than one of each, either chaining or independent, and with separate parameters for each. However, that seems too complicated. < 1633489346 120559 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Actually, even if such a format is used, separating them into a triple like this perhaps doesn't work.) < 1633490168 883299 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Quit: Blame iczero something happened < 1633490177 227978 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@id-79547.ilkley.irccloud.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633490186 713283 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@id-79547.ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs ProofTechnique :ptech < 1633490267 853173 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1633492194 769964 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633492943 614381 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1633501388 892390 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1633502918 455007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Befunk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88583&oldid=88568 5* 03ColorfulGalaxy 5* (+346) 10Colored one of the questions gray < 1633503045 605957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :My brainfuck self-interpreter (modified from dbfi) is now working! < 1633503141 92139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i mailed it to Clive Gifford (the eigenratio guy), i'll probably put it on the wiki later < 1633503242 781050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it is designed to be the first(?) bf self-interpreter with a proper eigenratio) < 1633503286 318964 :feoh!~feoh@137.184.104.30 QUIT :Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat < 1633503305 690058 :feoh!~feoh@137.184.104.30 JOIN #esolangs feoh :Chris Patti < 1633503315 618253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(i feel like letting him see it first) < 1633503354 493897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm come to think of it, i haven't tested it recursively yet < 1633503363 845279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :let's see if TIO handles that >:) < 1633503402 149133 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: what kind of eigenratio? tape use, or speed? < 1633503444 625318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :speed < 1633503472 178647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :tape use should be linear as i have no internal padding in the simulated tape < 1633503486 362805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(so i guess that ratio is 1) < 1633503523 561525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :well technically it's number of instructions run < 1633503543 751131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :lest we introduce real world resource limits into it < 1633503574 444025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :it uses the technique of implementing >< by shifting the program code on the tape < 1633503601 312641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :also it managed to run itself recursively on the program ,[.,]!a just fine < 1633503614 589936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :let me add another iteration >:) < 1633503713 143461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok now it is taking its sweet time < 1633503743 12730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :went from 0.3 s to probably timing out on TIO < 1633503758 654357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(60 s limit) < 1633503840 726711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :let me remove an iteration and do something like ^rev < 1633503843 305958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :^rev test < 1633503843 349870 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :tset < 1633503937 207436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :that took 0.897 s < 1633503965 525750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :mind you, i expect the eigenratio to be in the hundreds at least < 1633504180 784033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm with no recursion is still 0.456 s for ^rev test, i guess TIO startup dominates < 1633504304 916376 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, so it's recursion efficient in both tape use and instruction count < 1633504334 275679 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you get a good eigenratio by recognizing itself and interpreting itself quickly? < 1633504346 306739 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or like recognizing main loops of itself quickly < 1633504375 576613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't expect a _good_ eigenratio < 1633504384 343720 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1633504392 879121 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :then what do you expect? < 1633504401 654026 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or why did you bring up an eigenratio? < 1633504410 829897 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/an ei/the ei/ < 1633504452 759186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :because most brainfuck self-interpreters don't have any at all, their speed grows as exp(O(n^2)) instead of the needed exp(O(n)) < 1633504463 693917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :when you stack n of them < 1633504496 83660 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm < 1633504528 426083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's an inevitable effect of putting the program and tape separately and having search through the tape as it gets larger - every simulated instruction < 1633504564 686793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/speed/running time/ < 1633504614 153045 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or at least every few simulated instructions, I assume you could optimize some sequences like multiple pluses even in an interpreter, just to get constant factor practical optimizations < 1633504678 466817 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but if you're specifically going just to have an eigenratio, which is like an asymptotic thing, then you could also copy the program between each two simulated tape cells < 1633504702 983406 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because your program size is constant < 1633504720 177394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1633504757 740143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i move it instead, but maybe copying will work better < 1633504763 745823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :theoretically < 1633504809 769160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :then you would only need to do it when you extend the tape < 1633504842 456155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :and have cheaper movement otherwise < 1633504863 697135 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might not really help < 1633504939 846292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i actually think it would. [[>]>] to move is a lot cheaper than shifting the entire program < 1633504976 770930 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you could optimize specifically for that sequence of instructions I guess < 1633504995 94500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't think _that_ matters much. < 1633505001 55304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :then again, maybe. < 1633505009 25058 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, then maybe at least optimize [>] < 1633505158 867790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's the kind of thing Clive tried to do but it doesn't help with the eigenratio unless the optimization lifts to the next layer < 1633505303 115413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :when putting the program code between the cells, a large part of the cost comes from the interpreter's size < 1633505356 839228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well, this is for future improvement anyway. my interpreter has another design criterion that acts against such things: < 1633505392 994392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's supposed to be simple and predictable enough that the matrix for the eigenratio can be calculated explicitly < 1633505490 356317 :immibis_!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1633505700 533043 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :true < 1633506036 224227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok stripping comments didn't seem to help with it timing out < 1633506047 106167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, later < 1633506050 853273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1633507557 634652 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633507746 649377 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633509286 758951 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633509658 339685 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1633512785 852070 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1633513122 456132 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1633513238 308277 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Client Quit < 1633513419 445068 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1633513794 768550 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633514394 270069 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633517604 831352 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1633518995 165531 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Digital Miracle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88584&oldid=88578 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+75) 10 < 1633519200 215057 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633519243 982573 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN #esolangs int-e :Bertram < 1633519370 858724 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Quit: ... < 1633519465 187931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN #esolangs lambdabot :Lambda_Robots:_100%_Loyal < 1633519548 788056 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@bot < 1633519549 195449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs ::) < 1633519664 472338 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine < 1633520573 341766 :Everything!~Everythin@37.115.210.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1633520662 758542 :Everything!~Everythin@37.115.210.35 JOIN #esolangs * :Everything < 1633521173 592012 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1633521639 712049 :simcop2387_!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - 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Anywhere. > 1633541901 683802 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88597&oldid=88561 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+841) 10 > 1633541918 921669 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88598&oldid=88597 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+13) 10/* Program Examples */ > 1633541976 602250 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88599&oldid=88598 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+10) 10/* Program Examples */ > 1633542009 555456 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88600&oldid=88599 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+15) 10/* Program Examples */ > 1633542047 688632 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88601&oldid=88594 5* 03Dlosc 5* (+32) 10Updated Elo rank > 1633542106 777029 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88602&oldid=88600 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+34) 10/* Hello World */ > 1633543004 861767 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BracketsLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88603&oldid=88588 5* 03PoetLuchnik 5* (-2) 10"like" to "as" < 1633545369 823112 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633548059 317083 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1633548893 751046 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :/usr/include/c++/10/cstdlib:75:15: fatal error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory < 1633548897 795945 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's probably not a good sign. < 1633549242 334664 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops < 1633549299 878997 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's from compile_commands.json generated by this third-party script that tries to extract build actions from a Bazel build for, well, for things that need a compile_commands.json, like clangd. < 1633549310 780426 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not sure how it manages to do that with just adding extra include directories though. < 1633549403 924358 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It probably has something to do with the way uses #include_next rather than #include . < 1633549423 420511 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That combined with some weirdness with the include path order. But it builds fine when Bazel's doing it. < 1633549786 102175 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, it seems to be from the `-isystem external/system/include` flag that gets added. I'm doing a sort of a nonstandard hack to make Bazel build using the system's headers, because I couldn't just be bothered to define all from-sources dependencies for GTK and everything it needs. < 1633550012 205465 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: what compiler is it in first place? < 1633550111 65573 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633550134 632597 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633550248 772357 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :GCC. Well, or Clang for the clangd use. But those two behave the same as far as this goes. (I did have to make the script drop a `-fno-canonical-system-headers` flag that clang doesn't understand from the list though.) < 1633550261 483175 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In retrospect, I should've just built this with CMake like a normal person. < 1633553596 726313 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1633553637 590150 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633553687 795404 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1633553781 269947 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1633553834 619365 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Senpai14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88604&oldid=88587 5* 034gboframram 5* (+45) 10/* External Resources */ < 1633555167 177066 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1633555194 871799 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633555332 933539 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1633555466 751512 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03SashaCat 5* 10New user account > 1633555746 566146 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88605&oldid=88555 5* 03SashaCat 5* (+192) 10added my intro > 1633556279 524361 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:SashaCat14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88606 5* 03SashaCat 5* (+152) 10Created page with "My biggest achievement is honestly making [https://git.tilde.town/sortai/LISP_in_templates this] pretty small and not very usable LISP in c++ templates." < 1633556604 431572 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it seems there are now 9 quotes of me and 2 more quotes mentioning me in /hackenv/quotes . but I think you put shameful quotes there, not only funny ones, so I'm not sure if I should be proud of that. < 1633557046 373677 :dermato!~dermatobr@cpe-70-114-219-76.austin.res.rr.com JOIN #esolangs dermato :dermato < 1633558900 115494 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :`smlist 530 < 1633558901 206158 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :smlist 530: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy Cale < 1633559848 604794 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:aca2:ad7b:536b:eb53 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633561468 873936 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1633561965 756616 :Koen!~Koen@87.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1633562006 272484 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633562359 866634 :src!~src@user/src JOIN #esolangs src :realname < 1633563226 705287 :Koen!~Koen@87.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1633563471 907843 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] asteriska < 1633563685 681837 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :been looking at hanoi love recently. bound to web-based tech, does anybody know of a way to run original quickbasic code? lang is https://esolangs.org/wiki/Hanoi_Love < 1633563746 32515 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :only interpreter i can find is the reference, in quickbasic, at http://kidsquid.com:443/files/hanoilove/hanoi.txt < 1633563808 35255 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I wonder if that's *actually* QuickBasic, or if it would also run in QBasic. < 1633563853 383593 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because QBasic you can just run at https://archive.org/details/msdos_qbasic_megapack -- although it'd probably involve typing the program. < 1633563855 198516 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: ive tried repl.it's qbasic interpreter; it does not work there, but i recall getting it working on a dos vm < 1633563960 812687 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Think we had a DOS VM bot on-channel too at one point, but the I/O was very very awkward. < 1633563992 575667 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sounds wild < 1633564074 349238 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ive got shit for experience in programming, ive looked at c++ and dabbled in python, but realistically i know nothing haha < 1633564095 331497 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ive thought of making my own interpreter but id have no clue where to start < 1633564156 253913 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :w < 1633564174 240963 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, no shift+enter support on kiwi, ig < 1633564197 815124 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, `xdotool type ...` can write text to the archive.org web DOSBox QBasic interpreter. Probably won't help much there though. < 1633564216 424908 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1633564258 947913 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1633564320 985685 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1633565498 930099 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] asteriska < 1633565522 932697 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i died was there any developments < 1633565540 972752 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cant remember who it was i spoke to < 1633565753 300060 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wanted some help making a sane interpreter for hanoi love, or a way to run original quickbasic code in a browser < 1633565771 197777 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://esolangs.org/wiki/Hanoi_Love is the link < 1633565837 582135 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :any good base languages to start in? i see rust, cpp, java, and ruby fairly frequently used, along with javascript < 1633565867 376650 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :realistically i havent really programmed before, want something to jump into and figure out, but also didnt want to doom myself < 1633566127 756173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1633566382 867644 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you've dabbled with python, that's totally viable to make a small interpreter like that too < 1633566656 130720 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true, but id like to hear your opinions as well. what would you use, and why < 1633566868 709575 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hanoi love is stack based, and pretty close to the idealogy of brainfuck < 1633566880 171993 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :simplistic and a small number of commands < 1633566908 11202 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, sort of < 1633567355 208483 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Much of the computer programming I do is written in C < 1633567490 695881 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anything that draws you to c specifically? how long did it take you to learn? < 1633567600 579442 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :About learning it, I don't remember. < 1633567634 256074 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :About using it, well, it is common and also many other programming languages don't do some things as well < 1633567653 554026 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fair < 1633567702 943247 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what all do you tend to use it on? id like to know general use cases, from a real person instead of a broad spectrum on some wikipedia entry < 1633567864 471261 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I wrote many programs (including some are incomplete), including NNTP client, picture processing, game, etc. < 1633567887 493803 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sometimes I also use PostScript, and sometimes other programming languages, but mainly C < 1633567907 315063 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :any experience with ruby? ive heard good things about it < 1633567961 803078 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have not used Ruby (except maybe once to modify an existing program, although I don't really remember) < 1633568017 635320 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, i see < 1633568069 914751 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :any opinion of java? < 1633568112 318193 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't really like Java, although I had used it once to read a Microsoft Compound file, although now 7-Zip does that so I can just use 7-Zip instead < 1633568151 294721 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 PRIVMSG #esolangs :any specific reason? ive heard java was indesirable elsewhere, but i dont remember why and whatfor < 1633568816 770827 :asteriska!~asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:d1e7:ee6e:f70:1c15 QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1633569694 604867 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88607&oldid=88569 5* 03GoodCoderBBoy 5* (+319) 10/* Implementations */ added AutomataF > 1633570065 264430 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dlosc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88608&oldid=85384 5* 03Dlosc 5* (-32) 10Changed Pip link to point to Esolangs page < 1633571167 676734 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633571321 754346 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1633571965 634776 :scjosh!~scjosh@206.189.79.69 QUIT :Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat < 1633572044 886987 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :Python IMHO is a good first language to learn, unless you are specifically after low-level projects it's not suited for. lots of intro material, easy-ish to grok, tools and libraries for many different things. < 1633572420 456883 :src!~src@user/src QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633572712 168420 :scjosh!~scjosh@206.189.79.69 JOIN #esolangs scjosh :Josh < 1633573724 401075 :moony!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony NICK :cd < 1633575201 317454 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.3 < 1633577260 246185 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1633580138 278172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Asteriska 5* 10New user account > 1633580437 169370 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88609&oldid=88605 5* 03Asteriska 5* (+374) 10exist - asteriska < 1633580617 932138 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) > 1633580957 260164 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Asteriska14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88610 5* 03Asteriska 5* (+220) 10Created page with "'''Welcome!''' This is the user page for Asteriska ( That's me! Hi. :> ) I am currently venturing into the programming language Ruby, on a quest to make a modern interpreter f..." < 1633584371 446619 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633589253 742029 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: re DOS VM bot, yes, that was my termbot. I never let it on #esolangs proper, but it was in #esolangs-blah . but it can't really run QBASIC – in theory it can, but the console i/o doesn't work, because QBASIC direct accesses the keyboard and video, while my bot uses serial console, so you can only use QBASIC programs if they read and write to regular files < 1633589272 547724 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or perhaps if you edit the program to read and write serial port < 1633589386 373265 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree with Python being a good first language to learn programming with, but also in its current form you can't write one-liners on it, and as such it's a bit hard to teach on IRC and especially with bots. < 1633589424 499750 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as for Java, I don't know too much about it, you'll have to ask ais523 about how suitable it is in principle, and someone might be able to tell how much learning material there is available < 1633589454 711990 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :asteriska: it might help if you tell what kind of toy projects you want to try < 1633589517 985684 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633589547 628737 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633590387 628577 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633590475 302529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1633590529 623000 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633591590 578972 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1633591671 4738 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :asteriska (for when you get back): I've taught Java as a first language to students, there are good learning resources around and it's a good starting point if you're looking for a job in Java or C# (and might also help if you're planning to go into C++ eventually) < 1633591700 398610 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, I don't think it's an ideal place to start with programming – it requires you to learn some concepts from Java-era object-oriented programming that won't be much use to you outside the three languages I listed < 1633591752 217910 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and they're a) fairly hard to figure out relative to certain other programming concepts, although not terrible; and b) not actually a good way to think about programming < 1633591790 147510 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't like Python, but it was invented as a teaching language and won't be horrible for that purpose; I'd recommend moving onto something else once you've got the basics figured out < 1633591804 148240 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633591837 7492 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rust is kind-of a high-risk option: it really forces you to learn and get comfortable with a number of low-level programming concepts, so the learning curve is very steep, but if you do manage to learn it the knowledge will be helpful in other low-level languages < 1633591846 329061 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't really understand C++ until after I learned Rust < 1633591903 740301 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but my recommendation is to a) work out what sort of programming paradigm you want to be programming with in future (e.g. the Java/C#ish languages are good for getting jobs at big companies with) < 1633591917 57015 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and b) work out what sort of knowledge about programming you want to gain < 1633591920 602316 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then pick an appropriate language < 1633591952 159001 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you want to be working fairly difficult or low-level languages, for example, you should probably pick one to start with – it'll be harder to learn but you'll have to learn that information anyway < 1633591981 549572 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I would recommend against starting with C or C++, though, because they don't give good feedback when you do something wrong and thus it's hard to learn what mistakes you're making < 1633592102 358911 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually, now I'm wondering about good options for general-purpose languages which will help you get the basics of modern-ish programming down < 1633592148 95257 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe Lua? that seems to have all the features I'd want in a teaching language, and it's fairly small and simple, in addition to being easy to get started with and somewhat robust due to the situations where it's used < 1633592153 738914 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although I'm not sure what the teaching materials are like < 1633592196 918696 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, I've heard that Lua got worse since I last looked at it (although I heard this from a somewhat unreliable source so I'm not sure whether it's true) < 1633592706 820666 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: about when (what year) have you last thought Java as a first language? < 1633592777 213055 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :last taught? hmm, probably around 2014 < 1633592804 566964 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's been changing rapidly since then, with lots of new features added, although last time I checked most Java-based companies were wary of using them < 1633592810 886640 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, programming doesn't change that much in small spans of time < 1633592822 300601 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks < 1633592837 562715 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and yes, that is a small timespan, I thought it might be more < 1633592875 325155 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it feels like longer < 1633592902 550970 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my most recent job was writing Java, though, so my Java skills are more recent than that < 1633593191 908301 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I personally like lua from the implementation perspective, they have a solid interpreter and are one of the very few interpreters with a moving garbage collector that defines a documented C API that lets you refer to objects in the language. (the other is mzscheme or PLT-scheme or whatever they renamed it now). but I hate it from the language user's perspective. Mostly hate it because of the 1-based < 1633593198 100082 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :indexes; but also because of the syntax: the implicit semicolon lets you make mistakes, and the clumsy syntax makes you express easy things with long keywords. < 1633593227 986435 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so lua is decent for someone who wants to add a macro/modding language to their video game, but not for the people who write mods mostly in lua < 1633593267 790292 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Lua doesn't have implicit semicolons (in the JavaScript sense) – the syntax is unambiguous < 1633593282 117743 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, you can shuffle around the whitespace and a program still has the same meaning < 1633593312 125699 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I actually used to write code like «x = x + dx y = y + dy» until someone told me it was legal to put a semicolon there to make it easier to read < 1633593351 772552 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :x ;= dx y;= dy < 1633593367 184374 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the semicolons do have to go between statements if you use them < 1633593396 431202 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, I agree that Lua doesn't really scale to large programs, but that isn't a property you need in a teaching language < 1633593396 507258 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, it's not the same as javascript where the newlines matter. but that and no semicolons exactly means you can make costly mistakes. < 1633593397 566309 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs ::;) < 1633593445 645777 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for a language I'm working on I'm considering a compromise, in which the language would be ambiguous without semicolons or newlines, but you still need to place a semicolon or a newline between statements anyway < 1633593451 661596 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* would be unambiguous < 1633593468 749918 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe even with a backslash when you split a statement across multiple lines < 1633593488 837594 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and perhaps with an option to automatically fix files in which the whitespace has become mangled) < 1633593529 127757 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: is it an alternate syntax for a yacc extension? < 1633593533 328112 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::-) < 1633593554 958288 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: actually no; I *am* working on one of those, but the language I was talking about a few lines ago is a different one < 1633593587 906752 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, not so much yacc extension < 1633593595 652816 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok. I hope it's also not an alternate syntax for Analogia :-) < 1633593613 757939 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the "x = x + dx" above reminded me of that) < 1633593617 421246 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been going through about 4 or 5 attempts at writing a good input language for parser generators recently < 1633593683 122244 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because I've become fed up with the existing parser generators, it's clearly possible to do better, yet people have mostly either a) dropped the idea entirely or b) moved onto combinator-based parsing which is a little nicer for the programmer but can produce very inefficient parsers < 1633593758 246690 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :parser generators seem to be split into three groups nowadays: a) generalised parsers that handle any grammer, even ambiguous ones; b) LR-alikes where you need a grammar that the parser-generator can prove unambiguous; and c) PEG-based parsers, which use an input format in which all grammars are inherently unambiguous but often don't do what you meant them to < 1633593767 372392 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/grammer/grammar/ < 1633593828 292464 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :group a) is sort of the parser-generator equivalent of a scripting language; the language doesn't give you much help in debugging because anything is expected, but if you do write the program correctly you can write it very quickly, but the runtime performance is often bad < 1633593856 322067 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633593861 369927 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(most of these generators are O(n) best case and O(n³) or O(n⁴) worst case, and aim to hit the best case as often as possible but don't give you much guidance in doing that) < 1633593912 728720 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and group c) is universally O(n) worst case but often with a terrible constant factor, and *also* doesn't give you much help in writing correct programs because PEG is a language that makes subtle errors really easy to make (and basically only exists because it's guaranteed to be unambiguous and O(n)-parseable) < 1633593935 632254 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633593937 84492 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :did you try ragel? I see it often recently < 1633593958 429776 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :group b) is my favourite but it's been mostly abandoned at this point, so I was hoping to make something modern and widely usable that's more powerful than LR(1) and just as efficient < 1633593997 715886 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: that appears to be a lexer, rather than a parser? < 1633594003 775118 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :idk < 1633594061 185960 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :good lexers aren't as hard to find as good parsers because it's a fundamentally easier problem, there aren't tradeoffs to make between efficiency and generality < 1633594104 746651 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, what I've really been focusing on is scannerless parsers that don't need a separate lexer < 1633594131 629474 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633594153 943358 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I proved that LR(*) can be evaluated in O(n) time (i.e. LR but with regular-expression lookahead), and that's sufficient to write a scannerless LR parser, although I'm leaning towards a different algorithm < 1633594199 940165 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because my proof involves first running a state machine backwards across the input and recording the history of states, which is O(n) but likely to be quite slow in practice, especially if the state machine is very large < 1633594318 31603 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if anyone's interested, here's where I've got to so far: http://nethack4.org/pastebin/burlGaQaD3.html < 1633594350 465624 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the automaton is provably O(n), and capable of simulating the combined effect a lexer followed by an LR(k) parser for any k < 1633594356 871476 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I haven't worked out how to calculate the states for the automaton yet < 1633595669 302217 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :support says I'm being billed for an instance that utilizes >100% CPU core 24/7 < 1633595678 14025 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I only have one and it's at 20% < 1633595684 130547 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :am I going crazy < 1633595886 855585 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :will be funny if that's that glitched Chromium OS that is shown as disabled in my interface but is still running because of that lack of RAM < 1633596805 41785 :brettgilio7!~brettgili@x-node.gq JOIN #esolangs brettgilio :Brett Gilio < 1633596867 578572 :brettgilio!~brettgili@x-node.gq QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1633596867 848808 :brettgilio7!~brettgili@x-node.gq NICK :brettgilio < 1633596939 629311 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633596977 638760 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633597618 446677 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1633597703 368905 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"combinator-based parsing [...] can produce very inefficient parsers" => that, but I'm more worried that it can cause ambiguous grammars without anyone noticing, and then hard to debug problems when it parses an ambiguous input in the other of two possibilities < 1633597822 888575 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: "LR(*) can be evaluated in O(n) time" => do you mean with the constant factor in the O independent of the lookahead length of the LR? < 1633597835 364608 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, "LR but with regular expression lookahead" < 1633597841 235108 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't look ahead reading your statement apparently < 1633597934 79474 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as for the previous problem of parsers, LR(1) is a good start, but I think it can help a lot if you have extensions over the BNF-like grammar. yacc already provides one very useful one, for operators with precedence, but I was kind of thinking of other potential extensions. < 1633598020 191469 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :by which I mean extensions for how to specify the grammar, the one that you'll then generate an LR(1) parser for < 1633598045 970710 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(or an optimized LR(1) parser) < 1633598056 312422 :op_4!~op_4@user/op-4/x-9116473 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633598077 649633 :op_4!~op_4@user/op-4/x-9116473 JOIN #esolangs op_4 :tslil < 1633598197 449673 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was wondering on an extension for when some rules have an optional terminator token. So in a rule, if the last symbol is a terminal, you could mark it as optional, claiming that this may cause LR(1) ambiguities, which you want to resolve against applying that rule without the terminator token, but importantly, you ask the parser generator to < 1633598197 951045 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :prove you that if all those optional terminators were mandatory, then the grammar has no LR(1) ambiguities. < 1633598264 334718 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It seems like this could be done with a preprocessor that runs yacc twice, once with all the terminators mandatory to prove that the grammar has no ambiguities as yacc understands it (or at least only has a few ambiguities that you as the grammar writer know of), then generate the parser with those tokens optional. < 1633598280 484353 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'm not entirely sure if this makes sense. < 1633598392 240807 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :plus I'm not sure if just making single terminals optional is enough, because rust has those weird syntax cases where it tries to find out which left brace after the "if" keyword ends the condition and starts the body, and you might want something to prove eg. that if you parenthisize the condition then it's unambiguous < 1633598423 804025 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :to be clear I mean unambiguous as yacc understands it, not just theoretically unambiguous as a grammar, though in practice the difference rarely comes up. < 1633598549 409383 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"LR but with regular-expression lookahead [... is] sufficient to write a scannerless LR parser" => *sigh* not always. some languages like C++ allow custom multi-byte terminators for a string, where the lexer has to scan for the matching terminator sequence. < 1633598571 209554 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I also agree that you usually want a separate lexer, even just for clarity < 1633598627 822875 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then there's of course the classical C problem where you have to know if an identifier is a typename or not to parse < 1633598690 181508 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :although I kind of wonder if that can be worked around by parsing with some modified yacc grammar despite that, then later fixing up the cases that involve a typename vs other identifier ambiguity, like (a)(b) and (a)*(b) < 1633598727 266726 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure if C allows that, and if it does, does C++ too? < 1633598761 888095 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are some weird cases with declarations and function type names and whatnot < 1633598773 118775 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs : "combinator-based parsing [...] can produce very inefficient parsers" => that, but I'm more worried that it can cause ambiguous grammars without anyone noticing, and then hard to debug problems when it parses an ambiguous input in the other of two possibilities ← I agree with this < 1633598816 882983 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in terms of precedence, I think it's an important feature to have but don't like the way that yacc does it – precedence can be implemented as sugar but yacc lets it affect the grammar directly, which can be confusing < 1633598825 347743 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, affect the algorithm, rather than the grammar < 1633598887 314493 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :re: C++'s custom multi-byte terminators, I don't consider those to have an effect on scannerless parsing because they can't be lexed with a normal lexer < 1633598930 795416 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it has no impact on the difference between scannerless parsing and a parser+separate lexer (although, scannerless parsers should in theory be better at them, as they can do CFG-based lexing rather than regular expressions) < 1633598946 297345 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as much as I like rust's semantics, I think their syntax is terrible, though mostly not because of the parser ambiguities, but because of the terrible identifier scoping rules, and because of the ambiguity between constructors vs bindings in patterns. that latter would be really easy to improve if they just allowed empty parenthesis after any < 1633598946 799911 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :0-argument constructor, because that let you disambiguate both ways. but there's hope, because they started to allow multiple incompatible syntaxes now in the same compiler, so they can improve some of the syntax later. < 1633598997 450825 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that depends on what you mean by "normal lexer". if you mean a regular expression lexer, then sure. but we're not limited to that when using yacc. < 1633599000 585026 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree that constructor vs. binding is a bad ambiguity (interestingly, you could mostly fix it using Rust's normal conventions for identifier case, but it only enforces them with warnings rather than at the syntax level) < 1633599010 692846 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: right, regular expression lexer < 1633599044 474930 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know what you mean by the identifier scoping rules, though: do you have an example of what it does wrong there? < 1633599049 119829 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: rust already enforces identifier case as warnings, but there are also lots of wrong-cased type names in the standard library, so that's not enough. < 1633599087 345170 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, why? < 1633599126 836711 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: for the identifier scoping rules ... let me try to get an example, I think it was something about multiple identifiers of different kinds coming from different scopes, where the one closer to your scope should really shadow the other, but instead rust disambiguates based on which kind is valid when using it < 1633599137 33904 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: mostly to match the name of C types < 1633599143 285336 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, u8 and friends < 1633599165 138394 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, I can take `u8`, I actually thought that was a keyword < 1633599166 422528 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess i've internalised "u8" as being a keyword, and thus being able to use any case it wants, but it probably isn't < 1633599176 457007 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this isn't about u8 < 1633599187 490437 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :c_void and friends? < 1633599214 312141 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually, that's really weird, why wouldn't it be called C_void? < 1633599225 409987 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the "c_" at the start isn't part of the name in C < 1633599234 578390 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :those, and even worse ones in the libc crate IIRC < 1633599262 420663 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can say that c_void is fine because the set of builtin types in C and C++ is growing slowly < 1633599276 707159 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it's not closed; we have wchar16_t and wchar32_t as builtins now I think) < 1633599282 755281 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and nullptr_t and more) < 1633599300 839687 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oddly, the _t suffix is reserved by POSIX but not, IIRC, by C itself < 1633599303 528256 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I think the libc crates wraps types that are identifiers < 1633599318 729856 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least libc isn't technically part of Rust itself < 1633599331 456795 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, it's not < 1633599561 299912 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :u8 is not a keyword, I just looked it up < 1633599593 894256 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know < 1633599599 745248 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thoguht it was a keyword too < 1633599608 273433 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but later found it isn't < 1633599614 118560 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wasn't sure until I checked < 1633599640 865724 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one thing that's been paining me with this parser generator work is trying to avoid clashes, in generated code, with keywords in the target language < 1633599648 857926 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :namespacing can solve most problems, but not that one < 1633599672 508127 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my current hacky workaround is to append an underscore to identifiers, on the basis that most languages don't have keywords that end with an underscore but don't start with one < 1633599978 344195 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: here's an example on what I don't like about the scoping rules: https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&mode=debug&edition=2018&gist=45fe7999658232760b1fd3ce7c578cf4 < 1633599999 95058 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`factor 992654469589 < 1633600000 37649 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :992654469589: 993319 999331 < 1633600024 213795 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :note that if you define the outer struct K as a parenthisized struct rather than a braced struct, this no longer works, so it's not like structs and consts are in an entirely different namespace and you can always tell from usage which one to use < 1633600045 937115 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION looks < 1633600076 203295 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`factor 41758540882408627201 < 1633600077 154399 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :41758540882408627201: 479001599 87178291199 < 1633600095 970771 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: I think that behaviour was probably borrowed from C? shadowing is separated into different lexical categories < 1633600122 797323 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the "this isn't an entirely different namespace" is interesting < 1633600178 504260 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for posterity in the channel logs, pointed example was: #[derive(Debug)] struct K{ x: i32, } fn main() { const K: i32 = 20; println!("k = {:?}", K); let b: K = K{x: 13}; println!("b = {:?}", b); } < 1633600182 793215 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`factor 3858055874062761829426214599 < 1633600183 743509 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :3858055874062761829426214599: 5600748293801 688846502588399 < 1633600214 289088 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, but in C you don't get things like parenthisized structs that apparently shadow multiple lexical kinds < 1633600230 861418 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I'm not sure C is a good example in first place < 1633600245 574832 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can't find the shadowing rules in the reference < 1633600248 192892 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Haskell might be better, that has three entirely separate lexical categories clear from the syntax < 1633600248 531845 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`factor 137438953490360560825792535807496799 < 1633600260 410806 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or maybe just two < 1633600261 26963 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh finally < 1633600264 453386 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :137438953490360560825792535807496799: 59604644783353249 2305843009213693951 < 1633600267 604946 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn < 1633600312 980887 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: if you're just looking for primality or not, I recommend a primality tester rather than a factoriser, the numbers are starting to reach the range where factorisation is slow < 1633600316 972987 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'm not sure that HackEgo has one < 1633600369 157070 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm searching for its limits < 1633600377 922994 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :let me try to see if there's an example that involves mod versus trait < 1633600383 570699 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`factor 928510396424831231988564183404743747335769 < 1633600384 428945 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :factor: ‘928510396424831231988564183404743747335769’ is too large < 1633600389 242594 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeeeeee < 1633600393 309552 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` perl -Mntheory -E 'say is_prime("137438953490360560825792535807496799")' < 1633600394 522120 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can't locate ntheory.pm in @INC (you may need to install the ntheory module) (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.28.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.28.1 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.28 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.28 /usr/share/perl/5.28 /usr/local/lib/site_perl /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base). \ BEGIN failed--compilation aborted. < 1633600433 254641 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wa factorize 928510396424831231988564183404743747335769 < 1633600435 522117 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : Result: 68480406462161287469×13558774610046711780701 (2 distinct prime factors) < 1633600517 121603 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :needs to be -Mntheory=is_prime, it seems (based on my local testing) < 1633600671 17714 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: C++ has both a function and a variable named clog in the std namespace, and I still don't understand how it does that < 1633600704 511403 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :complex logarithm and standard logging handle, respectively? < 1633600713 528049 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1633600721 728248 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but maybe the function is never in std, it's only in the global namespace? < 1633600724 91597 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if the function is actually a macro < 1633600726 928221 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I really don't understand < 1633600728 696634 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in ruby you have both and interpreter checks if you are appending the "()" to identifier to resolve the ambiguity < 1633600761 116678 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Perl has an ambiguity between function calls and string literals, which is a fun one < 1633600770 491624 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think maybe the function is never in the std namespace < 1633600779 426784 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. $x{shift} versus $x{+shift} < 1633600805 831119 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(works even under use strict) < 1633600952 967524 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :on the other hand, I have to appreciate the rustc compiler, which is really well made and gives high quality warning/error messages that usually point you to the right issue < 1633600960 501837 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they clearly put a lot of work in that < 1633600982 852138 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well yes, perl has weird syntax < 1633600999 894298 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` ruby -rprime -e "p Prime.prime? 992654469589" < 1633601001 729490 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :false < 1633601005 924954 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: in your Rust scoping example, you can actually give basically everything the same name: https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=stable&mode=debug&edition=2018&gist=45fe7999658232760b1fd3ce7c578cf4 < 1633601009 628408 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` ruby -rprime -e "p Prime.prime? 41758540882408627201" < 1633601019 45286 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ruby too but I gave up trying to understand that when they changed the syntax significantly between ruby 1.8 and 2.0 < 1633601038 113618 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, hmm, that somehow reverted to your version? < 1633601045 497273 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1633601052 107417 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: that looks like my version, yes. you have to click on the share button. < 1633601063 493981 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did < 1633601073 928045 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I basically just changed the struct field to K too, and used the const to initialise it < 1633601084 605702 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it becomes let b: K = K{K: K}; < 1633601133 767276 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, but struct fields are clearly scoped, sort of like in C, so that doesn't matter as much < 1633601146 228817 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, and scoped to the struct they belong to < 1633601153 577373 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: also I think you can just write K{K} or K{...} instead of K{K: K} but I'm not certain < 1633601154 477129 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` ruby -rprime -e "p Prime.methods.grep /div/" < 1633601155 881474 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[:int_from_prime_division, :prime_division] < 1633601172 564619 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` ruby -rprime -e "p Prime.prime_division 992654469589" < 1633601174 57126 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[[993319, 1], [999331, 1]] < 1633601230 95371 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: you can write the former, at leats < 1633601234 684540 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* least < 1633601257 793969 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :neither .. nor ... works though < 1633601289 282102 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, when I define a tuple struct and brace struct with the same name, I get "note: `K` must be defined only once in the type namespace of this module" < 1633601311 845424 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which seems to be a big indication as to what Rust is doing < 1633601317 245087 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :`factor -12 < 1633601318 176888 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :factor: invalid option -- '1' \ Try 'factor --help' for more information. < 1633601320 902204 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(that's in addition to an error) < 1633601322 600260 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :haha < 1633601325 983146 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`factor -- -12 < 1633601326 972768 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :factor: unrecognized option '-- -12' \ Try 'factor --help' for more information. < 1633601331 711412 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` factor -- -12 < 1633601332 847986 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :factor: ‘-12’ is not a valid positive integer < 1633601338 903087 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that looks better < 1633601344 581751 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` ruby -rprime -e "p Prime.prime_division -12" < 1633601346 17901 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[[-1, 1], [2, 2], [3, 1]] < 1633601363 24022 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…also, it's kind-of amazing that -- syntax works there, there's no reason for factor to be able to support it; probably the consequence of some library for command-line options parsing < 1633601377 92347 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` factor --help < 1633601378 253376 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Usage: factor [NUMBER]... \ or: factor OPTION \ Print the prime factors of each specified integer NUMBER. If none \ are specified on the command line, read them from standard input. \ \ --help display this help and exit \ --version output version information and exit \ \ GNU coreutils online help: \ Report factor translation bugs to \ Full documentation < 1633601414 10086 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: it's in GNU coreutils, so it must support --help and --version , so it uses GNU getopt_long < 1633601415 898674 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wa factorize -12 < 1633601417 247821 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : Result: -2^2×3 (3 prime factors, 2 distinct) < 1633601430 338885 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: I'm thinking about the semantics of non-hyphen-prefixed arguments < 1633601434 726570 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the -- convention only makes sense when those are filenames < 1633601446 507767 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, hmm, maybe in cases like yes? < 1633601453 427549 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` yes -- -yes | head < 1633601454 676401 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​-yes \ -yes \ -yes \ -yes \ -yes \ -yes \ -yes \ -yes \ -yes \ -yes < 1633601461 655624 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, so echo-alikes too < 1633601466 499157 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` echo -- -test < 1633601466 671394 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it doesn't hurt to just support the -- syntax everywhere < 1633601467 588979 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​-- -test < 1633601474 431006 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(this is what I expected echo to do) < 1633601477 767589 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` echo --help < 1633601478 894518 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​--help < 1633601482 746811 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` /usr/bin/echo --help < 1633601483 868876 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: /usr/bin/echo: No such file or directory < 1633601486 238567 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least everywhere that takes options starting with a hyphen < 1633601489 23039 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` /bin/echo --help < 1633601490 161368 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Usage: /bin/echo [SHORT-OPTION]... [STRING]... \ or: /bin/echo LONG-OPTION \ Echo the STRING(s) to standard output. \ \ -n do not output the trailing newline \ -e enable interpretation of backslash escapes \ -E disable interpretation of backslash escapes (default) \ --help display this help and exit \ --version output version information and exit \ \ If -e is in effect, the following sequences < 1633601495 714472 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh < 1633601502 528965 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` /bin/echo -- --help < 1633601503 623019 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​-- --help < 1633601512 402630 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe < 1633601517 866619 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` /bin/echo -E --help < 1633601519 109388 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​--help < 1633601530 289839 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` /bin/echo -E -E < 1633601531 548971 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1633601557 165176 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this isn't doing a great job as an echo command < 1633601586 442952 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also if REGEX may start with a minus, then it's (grep -e REGEX) but (grep -eREGEX) or (grep -- REGEX) also work, and so do workarounds like (grep -E "(REGEX)") if it's an egrep < 1633601597 513489 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think there's any sequence of options that's guaranteed to echo the remaining arguments literally? < 1633601625 371553 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no idea about /bin/echo , I don't really use that. you'd have to look it up in the info documentation how that works. < 1633601648 557582 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` POSIXLY_CORRECT=1 /bin/echo --help < 1633601649 626090 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​--help < 1633601663 586079 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's in coreutils too, so the syntax is probably documented < 1633601679 396189 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know, I'm looking at the info page right now < 1633601680 821835 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so there are three ways to factorize numbers here: 1) factor can't negative 2) ruby is slower and harder to invoke 3) velik < 1633601697 520540 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: if you support negative inputs than the output is ambiguous < 1633601714 811227 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I think (/bin/printf %s "$yourstring") should work < 1633601718 967441 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is the factorisation of 6 (-2, 3) or (-3, 2)? (or (-1, 2, 3)?) < 1633601732 648572 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: yes, that's the workaround suggested on echo's info page < 1633601740 132341 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh great < 1633601747 808998 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's ambigous in \wa I would say < 1633601751 360105 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although the format string should actually be '%s\n' < 1633601758 630778 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but [-1, 1] is pretty much straight forward < 1633601769 465014 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :though -1 isn't a prime < 1633601809 540955 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :newline, right < 1633601856 275290 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wp prime number < 1633601859 736278 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : prime number -- positive integer with exactly two divisors, 1 and itself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_number < 1633601872 611778 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, man -s1posix echo suggests using printf too, and says that the only reason echo hasn't "been made obsolescent" is that it's widely used < 1633601906 847860 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the spec allows -n to have implementation-defined behaviour) < 1633601925 425750 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :printf "%s\n" isn't a drop-in replacement for echo though < 1633601931 404986 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` echo 1 2 3 < 1633601932 481175 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 2 3 < 1633601937 764412 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` printf "%s\n" 1 2 3 < 1633601938 817189 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ 3 < 1633601968 314729 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then of course there's all the workarounds like (perl -e'print"@ARGV\n"' "$yourstring") , the links of which I used on Windows < 1633602015 814694 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :it being a drop-in replacement would be silly though, 'cause that would have to have all the same undefined behaviours :) < 1633602068 121600 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Riviera: well, the usual intended behaviour of `echo` is "join the arguments with spaces, then print them followed by a newline" < 1633602069 831256 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` printf -----%s---- hehe < 1633602070 927357 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: printf: --: invalid option \ printf: usage: printf [-v var] format [arguments] < 1633602073 86690 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :xD < 1633602098 560909 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I'm not sure there's actually a standard POSIX command that does that exactly, not even echo or printf with options < 1633602111 482934 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(as wib_jonas posted above, perl can do it) < 1633602120 659509 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :la () ( IFS=' '; printf '%s\n' "$*" ) < 1633602121 108861 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually no < 1633602125 349533 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :i guess, but meh < 1633602128 359960 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: maybe a small shell script could do it? < 1633602133 153769 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` perl -e'print"@ARGV\n"' -45 < 1633602134 436651 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Unrecognized switch: -45 (-h will show valid options). < 1633602138 363303 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :not quite sure what the problem is, you can't use the same syntax, but there's no actual problem < 1633602138 802489 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, what Riviera says < 1633602140 153037 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` perl -e'print"@ARGV\n"' -- -45 < 1633602141 357446 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​-45 < 1633602151 522594 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think Perl will treat that -- consistently though < 1633602156 272912 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1633602176 519488 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought perl treated -e as the last option. maybe not, because it accepts two -e strings? < 1633602180 609507 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera PRIVMSG #esolangs :(i'm not sure if function definitions with ( .. ) is posix, but then just nest () within {}) < 1633602185 28941 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` perl -e'print' -e' "hello"' < 1633602186 199473 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello < 1633602189 491265 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah :( < 1633602193 508222 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's worse < 1633602226 865905 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, this is starting to convince me that -- makes sense with things other than filenames < 1633602454 651682 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` /bin/true --version < 1633602455 733661 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :true (GNU coreutils) 8.30 \ Copyright (C) 2018 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later . \ This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. \ There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. \ \ Written by Jim Meyering. < 1633602457 790756 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` /bin/true -- --version < 1633602458 953496 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1633602462 991470 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's another potential use < 1633603285 840931 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633603317 274177 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro JOIN #esolangs velik :velik < 1633603369 532917 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633603391 355998 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro JOIN #esolangs velik :velik < 1633603400 418889 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :while we're at silly syntax. in HTML in the srcset attribute of an img element, given https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/images.html#srcset-attribute , how are you supposed to quote an URL if its last character is comma? > 1633603436 580970 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BracketsLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88611&oldid=88603 5* 03PoetLuchnik 5* (+13) 10block to subcode in c-like < 1633603532 658733 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: replace the comma with %2C? < 1633603572 37433 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that guaranteed to never change the semantics actually? < 1633603717 69707 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe you could append a ? if there's no query segment, or a & if there is a query segment. that's not perfect either, but might work better. < 1633603763 573591 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"URIs that differ in the replacement of an unreserved character with its corresponding percent-encoded US-ASCII octet are equivalent: they identify the same resource." (RFC 3986) < 1633603819 314263 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: is comma one of those unreserved characters? < 1633603821 484535 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wow, I think that might answer a question I've been stuck on for a while < 1633603847 527379 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: appending an & isn't safe, there are multiple possible encodings for query segments and & can be semantically important with some of them < 1633603869 268131 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633603875 638254 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(although it's a no-op in the most common encoding, that isn't the only one in use and isn't enforced by the standard) < 1633603887 323112 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro JOIN #esolangs velik :velik < 1633603903 532027 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Actually, the comma is not in the set of entirely unreserved characters; that's only ALPHA / DIGIT / "-" / "." / "_" / "~". < 1633603916 744776 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, I know, plus I'm not even sure if all schemes of URI allow a query part when there's no question mark < 1633603928 913441 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Comma is in the "sub-delims" set, which means it depends on where the comma is, I guess. < 1633604036 984575 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :who-ever invented that syntax for srcset should get a swift kick in the hindside. they could have chosen the vertical bar as a separator or something < 1633604042 522705 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wa random 20 digit prime number < 1633604044 670442 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : Result: 92847417466922372783 | Scientific notation: 9.2847417466922372783 × 10^19 | Properties: 92847417466922372783 is an odd number., 92847417466922372783 is a number that cannot be written as a sum of 3 squares. | Number length: 20 decimal digits | Number names: 92 quintillion ..., 92 billion billion ... | Prime factorization: 92847417466922372783 is a prime number. | Comparison: ≈ 2.1 × the number of arrangements of a 3×3×3 Rubik's cube (... < 1633604051 945405 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no awit, vertical bar might not be good < 1633604067 505934 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm < 1633604107 707407 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :gotta make a shorter variant of the \wa, maybe \was < 1633604112 643940 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess what the RFC means is, it's possible a specific URI scheme uses ',' as a component delimiter, which means it cannot necessarily be always percent-encoded without changing the meaning. < 1633604113 496223 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :though it sounds cryptic < 1633604530 916967 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if that could occur in a data: URI, with an escaped comma occuring in one of the key-value parameters after the media type < 1633604578 657380 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :although that wouldn't matter for the srcset thing, where you only escape the *last* comma, since that last comma must be part of the data proper < 1633604661 804677 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :data:text/html,a%2C appears to be an HTML document consisting of "a," < 1633604688 72589 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whereas data:text/html%2Ca%2C is a bad URL < 1633604700 844299 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so this does appear to be an inescapable comma < 1633604715 548451 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Actually, I'm not 100% sure whether that spec allows for an unescaped comma at all. < 1633604717 900899 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The description is: "one or more image candidate strings, each separated from the next by a U+002C COMMA character (,). If an image candidate string contains no descriptors and no ASCII whitespace after the URL, the following image candidate string, if there is one, must begin with one or more ASCII whitespace." < 1633604720 124631 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which you *could* read to mean "if there's a comma not surrounded by whitespace, it's not actually separating two strings", but you could *also* read as saying "a comma *always* separates two strings, and it's just invalid to not have whitespace there". < 1633604757 693580 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: huh < 1633604765 136409 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's even more scary < 1633604782 25259 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it makes more sense to check the parsing algorithm rather than the description of valid syntax for this sort of thing, IMO < 1633604817 148027 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wouldn't that only work if there is a canonical algorithm? < 1633604841 381729 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, there is one, I see. < 1633604899 879722 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, an embedded comma with no surrounding whitespace will be just collected as part of the URL. < 1633604958 429900 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: how about a comma before (the separator comma after an URL)? < 1633604959 738494 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's always a canonical algorithm in HTML5 < 1633604980 925822 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I found the spec really creepy the first time I read it < 1633604985 316247 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :although that won't help < 1633604990 467118 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's basically an entire web browser implementation in pseudocode < 1633605010 569146 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because you usually want a scale thingy between the URL and the separator comma < 1633605036 281776 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yep. < 1633605045 638295 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the HTML5 spec is like that < 1633605054 86749 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it has an entire javascript API in it too < 1633605054 681740 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633605082 819467 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro JOIN #esolangs velik :velik < 1633605096 983507 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as in an api from (the javascript running client-side in the webpage) to the webpage content < 1633605140 339015 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\was pi < 1633605144 613871 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : Decimal approximation: 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923... < 1633605271 593703 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` ruby -e "p Math::PI" < 1633605272 889229 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :3.141592653589793 < 1633605297 259052 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :somewhat difficult Prolog question: is there a way to write a predicate for which, e.g., p(f(A,B,C), [A,C], X, Y) on input becomes p(f(A,B,C), [A,C], f(D,B,E), [D,E]) on output? < 1633605309 559225 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i.e. I want something like copy_term, but it only copies some of the variables, not all of them < 1633605323 339000 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was hoping it would be a builtin, but I can't find one < 1633605342 739127 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so either there's some way to abuse a degenerate case of bagof, or else I'll have to write it manually < 1633605515 588605 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: didn't one of the prolog implementations have a builtin for either that, or for when you specify the compliment set of variables? < 1633605558 879663 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I'll have to write it manually, by iterating over it to find the free variables, then doing copy_term(f(A,B,C)-[A,C]-[B], f(D,B,E)-[A,C]-[B])) as the final step (with the [B]s unified earlier) < 1633605578 349445 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, copy_term(f(A,B,C)-[A,C]-[B], f(D,B,E)-[D,E]-[B])), obviously < 1633605601 298214 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: bag_of is close but doesn't seem to be close enough < 1633605649 933082 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633605659 773817 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1633605785 338081 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I don't find such a builtin at a quick look < 1633605829 721977 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I looked for something like that when I made olvashato, and perhaps even before, to implement functions with upvalues, but then just decided I'll use copy_term and say that the upvalues must be ground terms < 1633605875 354023 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not quite ground terms, but terms with no free variables -- bound variables that are used only inside them, such as in referenced functions with upvalues, those are fine, they're renamed harmlessly by copy_term < 1633605903 977746 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :right < 1633605966 285933 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :can you do something like temporarily define a perdicate with asserta, with variables that you don't want to copy mentioned in the head? < 1633606002 962004 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1633606041 404705 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the iterate-to-find-free-variables approach is almost working < 1633606060 164238 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the main difficulty is just that call/9 doesn't exist, so I'm needing to create temporary structures to hold some of my arguments < 1633606114 564224 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm already iterating over the structure anyway so I threw in some free variable extraction while I was there) < 1633606313 864931 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633606340 367015 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro JOIN #esolangs velik :velik < 1633606389 547191 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wa e < 1633606393 756342 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : Upper case: E (U+0045) | Name: Latin small letter E | Phonetic alphabet: Echo (ECK·OH) | "e" on a US English keyboard: (left middle finger) | Similar characters: ℮ (estimated symbol) | ℯ (script small E) < 1633606399 740529 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\was e constant < 1633606402 14129 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : Decimal approximation: 2.7182818284590452353602874713526624977572470936999595749669676277... < 1633606407 546760 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wa ꙮ < 1633606408 733873 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : Name: Cyrillic letter multiocular O | Unicode block: Cyrillic Extended-B (42560 through 42655) (96 characters) < 1633606485 98792 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :weird that it said it's upper case e, anyway < 1633606593 988819 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :velik ꙮ < 1633606617 933555 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :scared < 1633606651 523854 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It doesn't really say it's uppercase, it tells you what the uppercase equivalent is. < 1633606678 337211 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The wobsite goes "Input interpretation: e (character)", "Name: Latin small letter E", "Upper case: E", "Similar characters: ..." and so on. < 1633606691 465347 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh indeed < 1633606847 663328 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\was random 100 digit prime number < 1633606849 845611 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : Decimal approximation: 6.97799599080530032728805445398475807079187919778470343445802... × 10^99 | Result: 6977995990805300327288054453984758070791879197784703434458023173697519646764322440809193108195240417 < 1633606957 23147 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\was factorize random 100 digit prime number < 1633606966 288061 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :thread error < 1633607005 554232 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(parser fault) < 1633607148 312439 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, nope, it's because of the trailing space in my message, gotta fix < 1633607346 696257 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633607375 759884 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro JOIN #esolangs velik :velik < 1633607699 960611 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633607724 809886 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro JOIN #esolangs velik :velik < 1633611863 921722 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633612240 913682 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :twitch is now opensource /s < 1633615994 959913 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1633616024 653363 :ais523!~ais523@109.249.181.94 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1633617275 761492 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, the terrible kind where you can see the code but not touch it with a ten foot pole < 1633617319 559994 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(except for the 80% (I suppose) that are free software) < 1633619818 36997 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1633620229 903409 :InfiniteDonuts!~InfiniteD@208.122.67.117 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] InfiniteDonuts < 1633620272 972306 :InfiniteDonuts!~InfiniteD@208.122.67.117 QUIT :Client Quit < 1633620647 924330 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1633621525 108364 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633621533 937223 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1633622314 196028 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1633622837 570212 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipJump14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88612&oldid=88579 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+38) 10/* The Standard Library */ < 1633623023 308774 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633623576 653466 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633623601 358460 :benji_!~benji@user/benji JOIN #esolangs benji :benji < 1633623609 647699 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1633623656 171048 :benji!~benji@user/benji QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1633623656 564112 :benji_!~benji@user/benji NICK :benji < 1633623716 985235 :xylochoron[m]!~xylochoro@2001:470:69fc:105::e2e1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1633623717 168773 :craigo[m]!~craigover@2001:470:69fc:105::12bc QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1633623777 23398 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Hanoi Love14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88613 5* 03Asteriska 5* (+227) 10Created page with "I am working on an interpreter for this language in ruby. Any news on it will go here. ~~~~" > 1633624303 115001 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07OISC14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88614&oldid=87268 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+86) 10more info on FlipJump < 1633624491 650070 :src!~src@user/src JOIN #esolangs src :realname < 1633624718 306949 :src!~src@user/src QUIT :Client Quit < 1633624729 994130 :src!~src@user/src JOIN #esolangs src :realname < 1633625075 602363 :xylochoron[m]!~xylochoro@2001:470:69fc:105::e2e1 JOIN #esolangs * :@xylochoron:matrix.org < 1633625139 113530 :craigo[m]!~craigover@2001:470:69fc:105::12bc JOIN #esolangs * :@craigoverend:matrix.org < 1633625332 581641 :arseniiv_!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Quit: gone too far < 1633625494 817060 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633625577 933284 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633626356 570205 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1633627486 975921 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: probably doesn't help you but just in case: there's a built-in predicate term_variables/2 that gives you a list of all variables in a term. < 1633627731 859462 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Google keeps disappointing me < 1633627817 356404 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :dude says I have exceeded the 720 hours month CPU quota < 1633627840 987260 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I show him CPU graph in their GUI that shows I'm <25% for at least a months already < 1633627848 572752 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and guess what < 1633627874 502080 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :he says "yes, 720 = 24 * 30 but some months have more days" < 1633627897 208753 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*more than 30 < 1633627930 489750 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I've already paid for two 120 days long months in some alternative reality < 1633628604 404154 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> 360/365.2422 -- uptime < 1633628606 4167 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 0.9856473320990837 < 1633628614 507392 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, not true actually < 1633628636 4263 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> 358.2422/365.2422 -- uptime, corrected for february always having fewer than 30 days < 1633628637 867211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 0.9808346352091845 < 1633628815 489430 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So how does that really work... you buy a CPU-month of computation? And the fine print says that if you use a CPU in a particular minute, they will bill you for that minute? :P < 1633628872 591597 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(That 25% number is great but is that really what they bill you for? If you keep the VM busy it'll mean more hot data in memory which is a real cost.) < 1633628899 607688 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or the CPU may be idle while data for your VM is swapped in. < 1633628918 166062 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Lots of reasons why this might actually end up with you being billed for 100% of that time. < 1633628933 302027 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :<3 speculation < 1633629039 63197 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the Billing interface when I chose the time span of the last half of the month I see that it applies a "360 hours discount" < 1633629069 620081 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'm already exceeding it because in some freaking way I've used 470 hours < 1633629101 955679 :delta23_!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1633629109 201841 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by delta23_)) < 1633629109 911938 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and so it already has few dollars to bill to the time of the next invoice, and the prediction is even higher for this month than for the previous one < 1633629113 218773 :delta23_!~delta23@user/delta23 NICK :delta23 < 1633629160 982581 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I've migrated half of the services to another cloud and switrched the machine type to pay ZERO but in fact I've got billed in August even more than usually, even more in September and even MORE in October according to the current extrapolation < 1633629378 762616 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :their Free Tier does not separate CPU from RAM -- it says "one e2-micro instance per month" > 1633629467 911078 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scroll14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88615&oldid=87568 5* 03MathR 5* (+118) 10 < 1633629651 902193 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm 80% sure they are billing me for the instance that has glitched and isn't under my control < 1633629658 789583 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1633629684 573662 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I've provided screenshot of my Compute Engine panel < 1633629951 843765 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it would explain only a September anyway, but I was billed for August for no reason too... < 1633629972 391224 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't heard of a virtual server provider that charges extra for CPU usage yet. only ones that charge extra for the amount of data through net connection. it's how they can offer such a low base price then catch you unaware. more honest model would just limit the net access (or CPU respectively) to very slow when you exceed the quota, with an option to pay for more, rather than charge you < 1633629978 577234 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :automatically. < 1633629990 306468 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the providers with the more honest models seem to have higher base prices. no surprise there. < 1633630017 998518 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :GCP instead does not have charges for traffic > 1633630067 988841 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Scroll14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88616&oldid=88615 5* 03MathR 5* (+4) 10 < 1633630072 973435 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the same distinction exists for mobile internet service too. slow your internet access when you exceed the quota, versus automatically charge a horrendous price for each byte that you go over the quota. < 1633630144 627752 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are only some bucket storage traffic limits that I won't ever exceed even if I try < 1633630192 755969 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you'd rather reach the limits of operations count if doing it carelessly < 1633630350 285131 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact I guess it's even impossible to utilize 720 for me because https://cloud.google.com/compute/vm-instance-pricing according to this e2-micro is limited to 25% load < 1633630377 823792 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's another reason why it all makes no sense < 1633631066 462766 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess an even more evil virtual server provider could charge you extra if you accidentally allocate more hard disk capacity than is in the base price, or have more hard disk access traffic, or allocate more RAM. < 1633631072 439402 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So what's that context, this? https://cloud.google.com/free/docs/gcp-free-tier#compute < 1633631169 412143 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is different in that 1) it sounds like 0.25 CPU-hours per hour because that's what the e2-micro instance gives you and 2) it takes the actual length of the month into account. so... weird < 1633631218 344263 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :love how the egress excludes China and Australia, I wonder why. < 1633631276 405794 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: probably because those have slow internet connections to the outside world < 1633631286 315249 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: this is the difference between cloud and vps providers ;) < 1633631302 760852 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"this" being the resource-use-centric billing > 1633633559 76647 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Stack-based14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88617&oldid=7904 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+29) 10 > 1633633565 681338 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Queue-based14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88618&oldid=7927 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+29) 10 < 1633633872 765319 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are websites with popular language runtimes working via webasm or smth like that < 1633633889 699026 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there are websites to edit the code in coop, for job interviews, etc. < 1633633903 734660 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :why the hell there is no website with coop editing AND the runtime? < 1633634005 993225 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Apple has "Uniform Type Identifier", I had my own idea of "Structured Type Identifier" which allows specifying multiple types and also allows parameters (e.g. to specify code page). It is not fully defined and may be changed later or abandoned, but for example "text:postscript:paged:document", "text:postscript:program", "postscript:paged:document", and "postscript:program" are distinguished. (Terms can be in any order.) < 1633634010 146150 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1633634041 630177 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633634091 10481 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It is a similar idea but I think that UTI has a few problems, such as I think it is unable to describe things like this example < 1633636277 623709 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait, people say repl.it has both things at the same time < 1633636728 324021 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel JOIN #esolangs earendel :AmoreFS < 1633638395 506694 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.3 < 1633638654 595860 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1633640254 157157 :src!~src@user/src QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633640326 585811 :sprout_!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:9093:865d:793c:93e8 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1633640537 578334 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:aca2:ad7b:536b:eb53 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1633641631 365630 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633641781 352309 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633641816 615276 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1633641848 734284 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@id-79547.ilkley.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1633641848 766916 :integral!sid296274@user/integral QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1633641853 867341 :yuu_!sid267332@id-267332.ilkley.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633641855 287011 :j4cbo!sid186930@id-186930.helmsley.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1633641872 155418 :Argorok!sid195487@id-195487.hampstead.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1633641872 231213 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1633641886 663243 :dnm!sid401311@2a03:5180:f:2::6:1f9f QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1633641896 361121 :mich181189!sid268336@londonhackspace/mich181189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1633641905 577796 :mich181189_!sid268336@londonhackspace/mich181189 JOIN #esolangs mich181189 :Michael < 1633641909 193964 :aarchi!sid486183@id-486183.uxbridge.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1633641933 391812 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel JOIN #esolangs earendel :AmoreFS < 1633641937 961791 :dnm!sid401311@lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs dnm :dnm < 1633641992 591053 :Argorok!sid195487@hampstead.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs * :Argorok < 1633642058 357182 :j4cbo!sid186930@helmsley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs * :j4cbo < 1633642075 5350 :yuu_!sid267332@ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs * :yuu < 1633642122 342379 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq JOIN #esolangs pikhq :Ada Worcester < 1633642158 951687 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs ProofTechnique :ptech < 1633642198 220096 :integral!sid296274@user/integral JOIN #esolangs integral :bsmith < 1633642220 434137 :aarchi!sid486183@uxbridge.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs aarchi :aarchi < 1633642394 819293 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633646266 933561 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Asteriska < 1633646284 595751 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello esolangs irc < 1633646298 558335 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops i pinged the bot < 1633646384 882527 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :im trying to make an interpreter for hanoi love, in ruby, on replit.com, and im running into a point where i have no clue how to get it working < 1633646481 196556 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Cool. < 1633646492 870683 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is the spec sheet http://kidsquid.com:443/files/hanoilove/hanoi.txt < 1633646532 786280 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :and this is what ive got so far https://replit.com/@foxsouns/HanoiL-Intp < 1633646553 47209 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :just trying to wrap my head around it is hurting < 1633646575 92444 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is my first project < 1633646653 25878 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe not the easiest haha < 1633646682 108559 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :anybody have any experience to give me a hand? < 1633646806 92347 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Asteriska what does stop you? < 1633646862 913302 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :logic, i guess: i cant think of a way to handle and express the stacks < 1633647165 87555 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :woah, basic < 1633647203 791732 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :i know: wanted to bring it to a modern lang when i first saw it < 1633647252 546681 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :quickbasic runs on dos only, afaik: nobody wants to port it to js or anything haha < 1633647261 879746 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what is cleaned? < 1633647280 720209 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :quick basic worked fine on Win XP at least < 1633647297 351023 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :pretty sure it's supported even today, just named diffrently maybe < 1633647303 915070 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :its just the proper instructions, with all else removed < 1633647361 141621 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically i take out these: . ' , ; ` " : ! < 1633647362 267985 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so cleaned is the code? < 1633647366 339924 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1633647383 730130 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :how does stack D work? < 1633647390 70065 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*supposed to work < 1633647416 477463 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :its something like the code being ran? im lost on it tbh < 1633647418 699405 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guses you don't need \ in lines 41 and 45 < 1633647472 14935 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :and line 58 of reference.txt explains stack d < 1633647517 159464 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :its a weird self-editing clusterfuck thing, supposedly what loops are based upon < 1633647545 120035 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess D is like addresses of call stack < 1633647585 807786 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but you control it manually... < 1633647645 757520 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah: i was hoping it'd be one of those things where its easy to implement, but hard to use, but that is not the case < 1633647654 67414 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :its just hard all around < 1633647674 743019 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :and basic isnt very legible, so i dont really know how he pulled it off < 1633647678 519453 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so D is like a storage of addresses for manual GOTO < 1633647726 892312 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :that would make sense; if it helps ive got some of the sample programs i found in the progs/ folder < 1633647786 445144 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :as I understood you ahve to store indices in D but you assign cleaned to it that is wrong < 1633647833 65307 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :dang, now i have to refigure out how arrays work < 1633647927 287062 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :QuickBasic works on DOSBOX on Linux < 1633647930 442863 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't see where is the instruction of goto, how does it loop? < 1633647939 598997 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :supposedly d < 1633648164 880950 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wa ascii 34 < 1633648167 519999 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : Name: quotation mark | Similar characters: ʺ (modifier letter double prime) | ̋ (combining double acute accent) | ̎ (combining double vertical line above) | ״ (Hebrew punctuation Gershayim) | , , (double prime) | 〃 (ditto mark) < 1633648279 95368 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :? < 1633648296 873320 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1633648303 83860 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats a bot, duh < 1633648368 394814 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: i dont always have access to a linux system, and dont want a programming language's only implementation to be via a vm < 1633648384 492501 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :from the basic code I suppose that , isn't fully described I don't see it < 1633648392 317854 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Using WolframAlpha to look up an ASCII character feels a little like using an to do an . < 1633648408 794941 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :, is goto when we are on stack D < 1633648412 774564 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose < 1633648432 40859 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's under the "stacks" part of the spec. < 1633648439 970748 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie how would you look up ascii with HackEso? < 1633648506 837313 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh indeed < 1633648612 610814 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :im figuring, have sd set to an array from 0 to the code length - 1, and go from there < 1633648665 348668 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :aren't all stacks emotry from start? < 1633648669 104215 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*empty < 1633648718 715163 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :excluding d, and when stacks abc are empty, they pop 1,0,0 respectively < 1633648783 149843 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :one sec ive got an idea < 1633648786 2246 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Re the ASCII lookup, that's actually surprisingly nontrivial when it's a decimal number. There's many many ways to do it by hex or octal because those are available as escape sequences, but decimal usually isn't. < 1633648790 529824 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` unidecode $(printf '\x'$(printf %02x 34)) # silly but works < 1633648791 753176 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+0022 QUOTATION MARK] < 1633648834 784402 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Of course shelling out to some oneliner-friendly programming language (awk, perl, ...) is probably the way to go on HackEso. < 1633648846 705834 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`forth 34 emit < 1633648847 625129 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​" < 1633649023 856911 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :according to the spec, the following should be equivalent to bf .[+.] < 1633649027 155096 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :. , ' " ' . . . . . . ' . . , ' . . . : , . ; ' . . . . , ' " ' . . . . . . , ! . . . ; . < 1633649055 268801 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :that means theres a loop there, somehow < 1633649100 94713 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :let me cut it down a bit < 1633649138 981333 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :. , ' " ' . . ' . . , ' . . . : , . ; ' , ' " ' . . , ! . . . ; . < 1633649209 106567 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :You could say the loop part is the ..., right before the !. < 1633649274 412660 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what does it do when it reaches the last character? the . < 1633649297 532644 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats unneeded, but it switches stacks < 1633649303 249210 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :forgot to take it out < 1633649322 712931 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :i just took out the bits that had 4 .'s in a row because thats redundant < 1633649376 350762 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, that trailing . would be just a leftover from the BF translation, so that the next translated instruction would have a predictable stack (A). < 1633649487 84948 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :it moves to B, pops to the register, copies to stack b, pops to stdout, modes to D, copies to D, moves to B, pops to register, copies reg to b, moves to a, starts "loop", (cont soon) < 1633649619 647427 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuck this is confusing to keep ahold of < 1633649645 272420 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The loop really started from the "copies to D" instruction. < 1633649650 204701 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1633649673 535572 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :and i assume next read from d is the goto < 1633649757 933087 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't understand what does ` do in Echo program < 1633649859 955395 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :i assume its a part of the check for the "end at 255" claim it makes < 1633649889 50892 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :because ` is sub current stack from register < 1633649905 294428 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought : is check for \x00 < 1633649932 663732 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :makes sense < 1633649956 882403 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"If a stack is empty when asked to pop a value, the value returned will be 1 for A, --" < 1633649985 888649 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :for b and c, it pops 0, and d never pops < 1633649988 605924 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So the initial , from A will give 1, and then the "; will *add* the input character to that 1. < 1633650005 861493 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :omg < 1633650005 945087 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So the : will be a check for 255 or -1, whichever way you want to look at it. < 1633650073 949891 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And then the ` subtracts that 1 back out so you get to print the original character. < 1633650091 265090 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the reference, this is the comment "Echo: (Outputs back any input received. Enter char 255 to end) " < 1633650104 334671 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The 1 is still on the stack at that point, because the ,' pushed it on there.) < 1633650145 117615 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the program stacks only store 8bit < 1633650148 103941 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh so ` subtracts -1 after the exit check < 1633650149 197152 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1633650155 224878 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*1 < 1633650188 871819 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :im assuming that the default behaviour should be loop back to 0 from 255, and vice versa < 1633650198 509649 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least, thats the way i would make it < 1633650256 615512 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :im going to stare at the basic code for a while < 1633650325 174278 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you have sa, sb, sc, sd = [], [], [], []; instead of storing a number in it you can do something like.... st = [sa, sb, sc, sd] and then st.rotate!(1) and st.rotate!(-1) and then access the current stack as st[0] < 1633650341 963717 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :its settled: i dont understand basic < 1633650357 415927 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: thats smart, im going to impliment that rq < 1633650388 946648 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1633650407 994748 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Here's an annotated echo: https://0x0.st/-EsA.txt < 1633650422 796373 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :though it becomes harder to check which stack you are on to implement those different behaviours for a, b, c, d...; you would need .eql? or .equal? instead of == I suppose < 1633650488 576957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1633650544 533498 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or you could even store the whole instruction handler lambda attached to the stack object as the "OOP style" would suggest < 1633650572 457961 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it would make your code deeper into ruby though < 1633650613 314320 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I imagine the choice of .',;`":! as instructions must've been a deliberate choice to be as non-mnemonic as possible. < 1633650642 174760 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean imagine classes A, B, C, D that are all inherited from something the same for all instrucitions but those few that are different for D are declared additionally for it < 1633650714 707303 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie do you have an idea why does A pop 1? < 1633650732 221050 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So that the echo program could be so short and sweet? ;) < 1633650753 103482 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah that's the only eplanation I see so far < 1633650759 465223 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :naikilon: theres no other way to get a 1 other than from user input < 1633650762 164912 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, maybe more seriously, so that you have *something* nonzero other than the isntruction offsets. < 1633650764 474221 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that it's somehow ralated < 1633650789 115702 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1633650791 587054 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, you can't pop from D to the register either. < 1633650793 243108 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :indeed, no literals < 1633650834 756884 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :theres basically an add, a minus, a pop, a push, a switch, a modifier, and start skip and end skip < 1633650876 185597 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Asteriska forget about the rotate(), I guess it does not give a profit < 1633650974 261695 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon i meant that with the "switch" term < 1633650975 178912 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :line 40 will be: when ?. then st = (st + 1) % 4 < 1633651036 283500 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and declare some ss = [sa, sb, sc, sd] so ss[st] will be current stack < 1633651140 918228 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: refresh, i think youre looking at an older version < 1633651149 290704 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :because as it sits, 40 is a comment < 1633651165 203938 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can take a look at RASEL implementation -- it has tests; if you throw out 99% of code ..) you could reuse it to put those ./progs into test.rb and see when they'll start passing < 1633651185 47660 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops < 1633651354 781313 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :reload and make sure that 38 there makes sense, < 1633651423 283946 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still think sd should be [] < 1633651496 287682 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :i thought it should be a list of numbers equal to the clean code, and be incremented every time the interpret loop is ran < 1633651572 846696 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is hard to work out :< < 1633651592 211082 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the only thing to increment in a loop is what you already do in 41 < 1633651637 732989 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :sd isn't a part of the language machine -- it's just a storage used by user < 1633651657 230879 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1633651664 142809 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :shit one second then < 1633651965 580389 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1633651967 237719 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess specification does not say what if you goto out of bounds of the code so maybe change the "until (cp+=1) == cl" to "while (0...cl).include?(cp+=1) < 1633652006 351563 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633652041 950932 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1633652042 858761 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :why is there a .bundle dir? is it how repl.it works? < 1633652104 722813 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, probably < 1633652265 241978 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :How could you goto out of bounds? The only way to get a value to the D stack is to push the address of the previous instruction, and the only way to set the IP is to either increment it or pop it off of D. < 1633652360 449892 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: ive installed highline, thats how replit deals with it < 1633652364 42018 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I thought you can push arbitrary value to D < 1633652380 85639 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok then < 1633652422 159104 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm bad in reading specification today I guess < 1633652445 802752 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :its good < 1633652514 766281 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :: without a matching ! does look a little underspecified. Judging from the BASIC code, it's probably just an error though. < 1633652534 605856 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also didn't catch that :! can be nested. < 1633652572 921269 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guess the BF translation wouldn't really go if they couldn't. < 1633652587 779540 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I saw a word "corresponding" ! < 1633652610 756913 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it probably means they should be properly nested < 1633652683 32776 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :'matching "!"' < 1633652722 150081 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think i just might move to gh with this one, shadow it from replit, and allow prs < 1633652725 599600 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Given the name of the language, I think it should also enforce a rule that the values on each stack must be monotonic, just to keep it challenging. ;) < 1633652745 79419 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and tehre is variable LVL < 1633652780 725707 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: you risk losing bf compatibility that way < 1633652905 824435 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie https://esolangs.org/wiki/Hanoiing < 1633653141 492823 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1633653160 907315 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Asteriska < 1633653162 707114 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :what did i miss < 1633653265 882875 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :nothing < 1633653347 802892 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool < 1633653479 987650 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633653482 33774 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1633653494 907489 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Asteriska < 1633653497 512977 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :webchat problems < 1633653509 471664 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :here it should be https://github.com/foxsouns/HanoiL-Intp-Ruby < 1633653788 264557 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1633653862 208425 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb PRIVMSG #esolangs :ive got to go, but if anybody has any ideas, please send an issue or pr to https://github.com/foxsouns/HanoiL-Intp-Ruby. ill set up discussions in a bit < 1633653883 383098 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@2601:603:5180:a000:7c7f:ad4c:80d4:5bb QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1633654360 604751 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1633662580 938890 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633662616 417799 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan JOIN #esolangs dbohdan :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1633665651 257928 :Lykaina!~Lykaina@cpe-67-255-96-229.stny.res.rr.com JOIN #esolangs Lykaina :Lykaina Wolfe < 1633665690 158306 :Lykaina!~Lykaina@cpe-67-255-96-229.stny.res.rr.com PART :#esolangs < 1633675958 987816 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc < 1633677491 131382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1633679176 246890 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633680506 633629 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633680672 650716 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633683364 466090 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1633686334 624197 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just realised that has never seen a folder in bin < 1633686369 469518 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there any reason why programs creates executables in, sometimes lots of executables but not joining them in a folder? < 1633686391 730971 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so instead of rasel-convert and rasel-ide it would be rasel/convert rasel/ide < 1633686433 567424 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yay, a grammar of a person who didn't yet fully wake up < 1633686701 355100 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: it's a unix convention, probably so that when the shell looks up a name the directories in PATH, it doesn't find directories too. you create folders under the lib and share and var directories instead. < 1633686905 133843 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't see a problem in looking up directories in PATH, it only has to be sure that the last path component is a file < 1633686925 335016 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I'm not even sure it really does such checks if they just use only one depth level < 1633687037 717367 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and auto-complete should work fine as I imagine; you type "rase" press tab, get "rasel", press again, get all the binaries in bin/rasel/ < 1633690850 537101 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Shells don't look up things with slashes in $PATH. < 1633690880 452775 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you type `foo/bar`, the only executable it will run is $CWD/foo/bar, it won't look for a `foo` subdirectory in directories named in the path. < 1633690880 571400 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1633690974 403389 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :From `man bash`: "If the command name contains no slashes, the shell attempts to locate it." < 1633691092 180599 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's also the POSIXly correct behavior for `sh`: "If the command name does not contain any characters, the first successful step in the following sequence shall occur: [a whole bunch of search operations]. If the command name contains at least one , the shell shall execute the utility in a separate utility environment with actions equivalent to calling the execl() function defined < 1633691094 379487 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the System Interfaces volume of POSIX.1-2017 with the path and arg0 arguments set to the command name, and the remaining execl() arguments set to the command arguments (if any) and the null terminator." < 1633691206 136890 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And the behavior for the `exec*p` series of functions that perform a path search: "If the file argument contains a character, the file argument shall be used as the pathname for this file. Otherwise, the path prefix for this file is obtained by a search of the directories passed as the environment variable PATH --" < 1633691422 148521 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: what's confusing is, HackEgo did use to look up executables with a slash in their name, and we used to have a $HACKENV/bin/le/rn executable that you could invoke by typing `le/rn in IRC message < 1633691483 245983 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or... maybe it didn't? < 1633691489 673572 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :we have a /hackenv/le now, < 1633691496 302637 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` ls -aF /hackenv/le/ < 1633691497 541047 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​./ \ ../ \ rm@ \ rn@ \ rn_append@ < 1633691508 893732 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but hg log says we used to have a /hackenv/bin/le < 1633691512 307200 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe that was just a mistake < 1633691605 527726 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`run hg log --removed -T "{rev}:{date|shortdate}:{desc}\n" /hackenv/bin/le | sed s/ac/aс/ # /hackenv/bin/le was deleted the same day as it was created, so it was probably just a mistake < 1633691607 660753 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :6838:2016-02-14: rm bin/le \ 6837:2016-02-14: mkx bin/le//echo le < 1633691625 446454 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry then, probably HackEgo too only looked up executable names with a slash in its wd < 1633691631 104788 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"echo le"? < 1633691655 523649 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, though I don't think it's impossible HackEso's command execution semantics have been... unconventional. < 1633691689 152562 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was in 2016, so HackEgo before HackEso, but sure < 1633691719 377815 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was wondering if it would special case a starting backtick followed by a space < 1633691732 436333 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :` # but it seems it doesn't do so, that just always fails < 1633691733 276197 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​? Permission denied < 1633691850 47367 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and maybe special case backtick followed by slash too < 1633691865 971708 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no wait, not that < 1633691872 44818 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :just backtick followed by slash followed by space < 1633692073 327604 :voidio!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :probably iovoid? < 1633692099 584348 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1633692157 278672 :voidio!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid NICK :iovoid < 1633692556 573226 :APic!apic@apic.name QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1633692596 110781 :APic!apic@apic.name JOIN #esolangs APic :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1633693790 353100 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633694857 676245 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol google < 1633694944 255258 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they uncover that the "free tier" does not work because the disk is of some another type; and still ignore everything I say about the CPU time < 1633695431 268055 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :on https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2021-09.html#ley whether one of the usual representations of GF(2**8) is the same as the IOCCC representation. David Madore talks about the IOCCC representation in https://twitter.com/gro_tsen/status/1437520279136346114 . I believe the answer is no. < 1633696065 547353 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean it's just another try of that support guy to "explain" the bill -- he says that my disk is out of Free Tier, but it's just 20% of the bill < 1633696102 779642 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like I'm in fucking court and he uses all the possible bullshit manipulations to falsely accuse me < 1633696152 643401 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :in using >720 hours in any insane way like "we have more than 30 days in a month" and now "you was charged because of the wrong disk" -- I don't care that I was charged for disk, it's just $2, tell me about almost $10 already for the CPU < 1633696188 709385 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if he won't enable his brain I gotta move to Yandex Cloud < 1633696238 895006 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I was billed in August because it uncovers that e2-micro were not in Free Tier in August yet and I'm not the one who was confused https://www.reddit.com/r/googlecloud/comments/oo55s1/upgraded_free_tier_f1micro_vm_to_an_e2micro/ < 1633696270 944140 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also there are people in that thread who were charged for disk too because the default disk type was not from free tier < 1633696298 861723 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it's still not a big deal compared to this CPU nonsense > 1633697084 424300 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Help.14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88619 5* 03WhyNot? 5* (+605) 10Created page with "This language is created by [[User:WhyNot?]]. Work in progress!!! Based off Assembly. == Syntax == There are infinite memory slots, which each can hold 1 byte of information...." > 1633697111 857834 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:WhyNot?14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88620&oldid=88272 5* 03WhyNot? 5* (+12) 10 < 1633697947 987214 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1633698699 904381 :Guest6186!~Guest61@S010684c9b26eee6d.cg.shawcable.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest61 < 1633698711 939939 :Guest6186!~Guest61@S010684c9b26eee6d.cg.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1633698788 778932 :Guest6186!~Guest61@S010684c9b26eee6d.cg.shawcable.net PART :#esolangs < 1633698812 915884 :Hydrazer!~Hydrazer@S010684c9b26eee6d.cg.shawcable.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Hydrazer < 1633698874 818273 :Hydrazer!~Hydrazer@S010684c9b26eee6d.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1633699206 436757 :phdu!~phdumatri@2001:470:69fc:105::e6b6 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633699206 791764 :xylochoron[m]!~xylochoro@2001:470:69fc:105::e2e1 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633699207 250635 :jryans!~jryans@2001:470:69fc:105::1d QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1633699207 641281 :daggy1234[m]!~daggy1234@2001:470:69fc:105::d315 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633699208 500942 :craigo[m]!~craigover@2001:470:69fc:105::12bc QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1633699208 953396 :Deewiant!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1633699336 119181 :xylochoron[m]!~xylochoro@2001:470:69fc:105::e2e1 JOIN #esolangs * :@xylochoron:matrix.org < 1633699519 480626 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so my latest understanding now that they don't care about the CPU load at all < 1633699520 211577 :jryans!~jryans@2001:470:69fc:105::1d JOIN #esolangs jryans :@jryans:matrix.org < 1633699521 189587 :Deewiant!~deewiant@2001:470:69fc:105::2fd3 JOIN #esolangs Deewiant :@deewiant:maon.fi < 1633699521 258735 :phdu!~phdumatri@2001:470:69fc:105::e6b6 JOIN #esolangs * :@phdu:matrix.org < 1633699521 361927 :craigo[m]!~craigover@2001:470:69fc:105::12bc JOIN #esolangs * :@craigoverend:matrix.org < 1633699525 496315 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633699530 211958 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and bill you for 24 hours a day < 1633699533 150986 :daggy1234[m]!~daggy1234@2001:470:69fc:105::d315 JOIN #esolangs * :@daggy1234:matrix.org < 1633699557 765137 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :still does not fully sum up, anyway > 1633699999 348022 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88621&oldid=88602 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+206) 10/* Hello World */ < 1633700629 374439 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro JOIN #esolangs velik :velik > 1633701027 971930 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BracketsLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88622&oldid=88611 5* 03PoetLuchnik 5* (+315) 10added Alphabet program < 1633701553 584481 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1633702835 293285 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1633703325 342602 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88623&oldid=88575 5* 03WhyNot? 5* (+12) 10 > 1633703530 442639 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Help.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88624&oldid=88619 5* 03WhyNot? 5* (+56) 10 < 1633704258 905971 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Asteriska < 1633704287 606883 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: you active? < 1633704322 804036 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :decided to come here so that communications would be quicker < 1633704454 754792 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to anyone else interested: im working on an interpreting an old as dirt esolang at https://github.com/foxsouns/HanoiL-Intp-Ruby with n akilon there < 1633704481 583932 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolang in question is Hanoi Love, made for quickbasic in 2001 < 1633704494 497988 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :reimpliment is in ruby < 1633704679 788624 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`relcome Asteriska < 1633704682 240866 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​07Asteriska: 08Welcome 09to 02the 06international 13hub 04for 07esoteric 08programming 09language 02design 06and 13deployment! 04For 07more 08information, 09check 02out 06our 13wiki: 04. 07(For 08the 09other 02kind 06of 13esoterica, 04try 07#esoteric 08on 09EFnet 02or 06DALnet.) < 1633704721 297606 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi int-e < 1633704803 184446 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just demonstrating that the channel isn't dead :P (It isn't, you can check the logs. But it's not the busiest of channels either.) < 1633704813 573104 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, i see < 1633704993 507100 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Asteriska I'm partially afk < 1633705006 788194 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i see < 1633705012 266347 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah https://esolangs.org/wiki/Hanoi_Love exists, though it's more of a stub < 1633705076 867054 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh it has an interpreter in QuickBasic... fun. < 1633705081 550352 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i know < 1633705096 409867 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :unlegible, dos-only, sad < 1633705098 246892 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that qualifies as esoteric these days. < 1633705122 29142 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :haha really < 1633705136 834716 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although theres no js interpreter for quickbasic yet < 1633705163 28254 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(well, technically theres one, but its only been put up to spec enough to run qb's snake) < 1633705188 564747 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QB64 < 1633705190 19977 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :That was a pretty nice game. < 1633705194 239548 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Stable release < 1633705194 283337 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :1.5 / February 28, 2021; 7 months ago < 1633705225 434772 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im stuck on chromeos and linux occasionally: it's not an option for me < 1633705263 147370 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :OS Microsoft Windows, Linux, macOS < 1633705274 677325 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1633705306 868742 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :made the assumption that it was win only because the wikipedia page mentioned vista :p < 1633705311 390810 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/QB64Team/qb64/releases < 1633705370 409649 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"QB64 can also use DLL libraries for Windows and C++ headers with a DECLARE LIBRARY block. Users can also access C header files to run C functions." < 1633705376 358092 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :time to go back to the roots < 1633705490 9392 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im stuck on chromeos for the time being: my normal cpu's out of commission atm :( < 1633705543 619935 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but what matters is that somebody involved can finally check the original interpreter's specs < 1633705577 424359 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like what happens when you under/overflow? and how the fuck does stack d work? < 1633705581 421428 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :have you run the bundle exec ruby test.rb? does it pass? < 1633705606 398533 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh no, I have qbasic but no snake.bas < 1633705607 464204 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can continue from there, implementing the rest of instructions and add corresponding tests < 1633705638 453883 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I could dig it up. I remember modifying it so the snakes grow longer) < 1633705650 325404 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: im on it, but havent yet < 1633705669 154451 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :d is a storage for goto addresses -- see how echo stores the position to then return to on the ! < 1633705672 972919 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*echo example < 1633705907 543707 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: works < 1633705921 980038 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you do smth like: when ?' then ss[st].push cp < 1633705922 488689 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :had to reinstall minitest-around via replit's way < 1633705926 646276 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: right, plus we didn't welcome Asteriska yesterday < 1633705965 419708 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :when ?! then cp = ss[st].pop < 1633705970 300037 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :smth like that < 1633706004 120659 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you mean you have no ruby installed in your chrome os? < 1633706050 512112 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ive been working off of replit, this isnt my device so i cant turn on crostini or use crouton < 1633706082 5461 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, not explicitly mine: it's shared < 1633706133 580625 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyways i will mirror any changes to the github, and vice versa for the replit < 1633706141 295205 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw probably you can also push the cp to any of 4 stacks, you just won't be able to then pop that value in a way to assign it back to cp < 1633706213 618097 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the damn GCP provide free of charge shell with 0.6gb RAM and 1 core < 1633706242 633982 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can ssh to it right in a browser without creating a VM instance < 1633706255 126063 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait what? no charge? < 1633706269 666353 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :any outstanding limits? < 1633706290 374523 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :no charge, it's made for emergency purposes so you can do things around your cloud, using a fully functional linux right in your browser < 1633706298 350384 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :i.e. accessing from any device < 1633706328 795376 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ffffffuck < 1633706330 819942 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :just need to authorize in GCP and create the project in the first place, attaching the credit card, etc., it just won't cost anything if you use it only for that < 1633706352 23079 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i cant use it, not using my personal account so it decides to nix it < 1633706386 437896 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is also something new I didn't see before https://cloud.google.com/shell < 1633706409 457470 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1633706413 402447 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i might look at gearhost < 1633706421 420060 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like vs code I suppose < 1633706468 713405 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's integrated with GCP's code repositories system that is analogue to github, just not for accepting public PRs and stuff; anyway it's an IDE < 1633706502 209121 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :replit is an ide, with integration with gh < 1633706531 345487 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it seems to work fairly well, with a little bit of sandboxing to work around < 1633706538 84284 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the shell I talked about initially is this I suppose https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Cloud_Shell < 1633706560 835894 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, picked that up from a simple google search of gcp < 1633706562 334758 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's just a machine with no ports opened except of ssh for your connection < 1633706602 385174 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :id love to mess with that, but my org. account blocks it < 1633706613 276750 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was wrong about the RAM amount > 1633706657 511129 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88625&oldid=88621 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+4) 10/* Commands */ < 1633706855 873579 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :heroku provides 25mb ram and iirc up to 64gb storage, over 20 instances < 1633706861 256652 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as far as i can tell < 1633706938 334508 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait, not 25 haha < 1633706943 737554 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :read from the wrong section < 1633706949 913067 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :seems to be half a gig < 1633706995 813943 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :does seem to be a limit on hours of use per month < 1633707005 204811 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :oracle cloud also has some free tier. but it's, you know, oracle < 1633707081 752550 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thats the java os right < 1633707093 882924 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or was it oracle's linux distro < 1633707099 670725 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i cant remember < 1633707124 324256 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :when I last checked heroku wasn't for the 24/7 launched servers < 1633707146 276392 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it just allocated resources to handle web requests < 1633707361 132231 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fuck it im signing up and investigating < 1633707361 907025 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yandex Cloud has only the serverless part for free for now https://cloud.yandex.ru/docs/billing/concepts/serverless-free-tier < 1633707392 567499 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I will probably migrate once they make free VMs < 1633707452 657847 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the difference from GCP is that they don't have the VMs with terabytes of RAM and petabytes of disks and I won't need them any way obviously < 1633707494 970169 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1633707507 287189 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and not much documentation < 1633707533 622076 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :heroku seems promising for simple programming stuff < 1633707572 650226 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :we also have two other clouds -- from Mail.ru and from Sberbank but they won't have free tiers < 1633707612 723534 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ive got ~three bucks on a prepaid debit card < 1633707628 137522 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :mailru is small and sberbank is just a bank, I will never trust them < 1633707636 311748 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true < 1633707674 314557 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they develop their cloud on a machine learning hype selling those GPU clusters < 1633707679 421497 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :with the yandex option, does what exactly does serverless entail < 1633707743 90291 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Asteriska serverless means you host your applications on the machines you don't access in a traditional way like ssh < 1633707751 881283 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they connect and scale stuff for you < 1633707761 278504 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :annoying < 1633707764 273794 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe < 1633707778 626139 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :seems like heroku is the same way :< < 1633707841 634110 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah it's kind of overkill for start, like instead of having a small server always on that handles your web request instantly it would launch the whole new linux machine to process that single request and then shutdown -- all in serveral minutes with a huge lag < 1633707868 124350 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :quite annoying < 1633707881 358677 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but when you are a huge consumer you allocate a ton of instances in the scaling options so this stuff is always on and ready to process and isn't lagging too much < 1633707935 250006 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im about to give up and just use copy.sh/x86 < 1633707977 72140 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :velik for example starts a new machine right now to respond < 1633707981 645526 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :kidding, of course < 1633707989 800249 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : I was no rid only that, but it distinguishes ok functional with the style I now did around < 1633708013 742716 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :? < 1633708025 612752 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it took him 12 seconds -- few seconds to start and few seconds to process the request, but if I configure it to have one instance on 24/7 it would be faster < 1633708033 285632 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a bot < 1633708045 45464 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :a serverless part of it < 1633708046 493046 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1633708047 470460 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bot < 1633708064 735789 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1633708126 35773 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah shit ive got to go for a while < 1633708236 806271 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually the chat reply that velik does is a so called "Cloud Functions", not a "Cloud Run" so it's not really starting a fully new VM, it's something hybrid < 1633708340 846927 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's limited to the chosen runtime, like a "ruby26" in this case, most of the file system is read-only, etc., but it responds faster than Cloud Run; still both are called "serverless" < 1633708363 750698 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway < 1633708685 778770 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :oracle cloud is just plain linux VMs: https://docs.oracle.com/en-us/iaas/Content/FreeTier/freetier_topic-Always_Free_Resources.htm < 1633708827 934757 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1633709230 916290 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Asteriska < 1633709541 909965 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1633709729 969483 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Help.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88626&oldid=88624 5* 03WhyNot? 5* (+518) 10 < 1633710631 939974 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1633710677 250979 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Help.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88627&oldid=88626 5* 03WhyNot? 5* (+92) 10 < 1633710692 910932 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Asteriska < 1633710918 788478 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 QUIT :Client Quit < 1633710929 910733 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Asteriska < 1633710944 204010 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh my god i am going to choke the liberachat webclient < 1633711002 851044 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1633711005 474031 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i see from the logs ive missed nothing except my abscense < 1633711011 576300 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :absence* > 1633711226 557870 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Help.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88628&oldid=88627 5* 03WhyNot? 5* (+144) 10 > 1633711409 330570 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Help.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88629&oldid=88628 5* 03WhyNot? 5* (-62) 10 < 1633712419 328252 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1633712970 955587 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds > 1633713860 189849 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipJump14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88630&oldid=88612 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+46) 10/* The Standard Library */ more ops > 1633714219 989285 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Help.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88631&oldid=88629 5* 03WhyNot? 5* (+70) 10 < 1633714270 457816 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule > 1633714393 272395 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88632&oldid=88607 5* 03WhyNot? 5* (+86) 10 < 1633714443 168692 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow so many edits from whynot as of late < 1633714518 807508 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Unlike WP, there's no rule about batching edits and using the preview button, so some folks make lots of small edits in a row. < 1633714643 348890 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have thought about adding a gentle suggestion about the preview button, mostly just because of the IRC thing. But it's unclear whether people would notice. > 1633714720 665649 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88633&oldid=88625 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-26) 10/* Commands */ > 1633714746 499544 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88634&oldid=88633 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-1) 10/* Commands */ > 1633714762 365033 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88635&oldid=88634 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-1) 10/* Commands */ > 1633714826 210478 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88636&oldid=88635 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+57) 10/* Commands */ < 1633714854 403412 :src!~src@user/src JOIN #esolangs src :realname > 1633714887 824545 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88637&oldid=88636 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+9) 10/* Commands */ < 1633715269 828993 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1633715989 437311 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :sknebel wow "18,000 GB hours per month for free" this sounds like 20 times larger than in GCP < 1633715999 502095 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :though idk what's the performance of their CPU < 1633716107 512424 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie try some CSS like this one https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Not_applicable to make them notice < 1633716196 315336 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh probably OCPU is something like usual CPU core < 1633716410 431088 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633716892 196221 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine < 1633717054 562936 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633717072 308287 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1633717518 416287 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipJump14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88638&oldid=88630 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+144) 10output => output_char < 1633718266 42917 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633718897 927172 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Asteriska > 1633719454 500752 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A-M)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88639&oldid=88586 5* 03Tomhe 5* (+337) 10add FlipJump > 1633719759 427383 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Help.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88640&oldid=88631 5* 03WhyNot? 5* (+54) 10 > 1633719798 352916 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Help.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88641&oldid=88640 5* 03WhyNot? 5* (+1) 10 > 1633719819 250181 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Help.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88642&oldid=88641 5* 03WhyNot? 5* (-1) 10 < 1633720598 87004 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1633720714 355176 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633721226 919547 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Asteriska > 1633723250 749008 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Dlzet 5* 10New user account < 1633723481 323465 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule > 1633725022 569517 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88643&oldid=88623 5* 03Larryrl 5* (+11) 10/* U */ < 1633725495 607559 :sprout_!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:9093:865d:793c:93e8 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1633726167 905307 :Asteriska!~Asteriska@168.212.100.13 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1633726588 517878 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633728001 260212 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1633728050 183986 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unpl14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88644 5* 03Larryrl 5* (+2824) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}} {{infobox proglang |name=Unpl |author=[[Larryrl]] |year=[[:Category:2021|2021]] |memsys=[[:Category:Cell-based|Cell-based]] |dimensions=one-dimensional |influenc..." < 1633728056 433235 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1633728094 397520 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DetailedFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88645&oldid=69380 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+46) 10Rectified the non-functional Hello, world! example by swapping each opening bracket [ with a closing bracket ] and vice versa. > 1633728150 973475 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unpl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88646&oldid=88644 5* 03Larryrl 5* (+92) 10/* Instructions */ < 1633728167 223971 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1633728179 255269 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unpl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88647&oldid=88646 5* 03Larryrl 5* (+1) 10/* Examples */ > 1633728323 882902 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DetailedFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88648&oldid=88645 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+2739) 10Introduced the Common Lisp code for translating DetailedFuck to brainfuck. < 1633728382 321689 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1633728590 292001 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unpl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88649&oldid=88647 5* 03Larryrl 5* (+0) 10/* Instructions */ < 1633729641 435915 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1633730353 464297 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633730472 362816 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633730608 294174 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :probably iovoid? < 1633731209 323614 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:9093:865d:793c:93e8 JOIN #esolangs * :anon > 1633731571 119345 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Chainfall14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88650 5* 03Fmbalbuena 5* (+221) 10redirect page > 1633731913 996452 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Shovel 5* 10New user account < 1633732124 13301 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633732127 248998 :fungot!fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds > 1633732309 842693 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88651&oldid=88609 5* 03Shovel 5* (+186) 10/* Introductions */ < 1633732337 421269 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1633732363 292605 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DetailedFuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88652&oldid=88648 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (-1) 10Amended an orthographic error in the Common Lisp code by changing the word instructions to its singular form instruction. < 1633732388 690048 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Weird, the fungot computer just rebooted out of nowhere. < 1633732399 845583 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heard a beep from there and all. < 1633732536 526572 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a JOIN #esolangs fungot :fungot-0.1 < 1633732622 771773 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's evolving < 1633732623 98325 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No idea what was up with that. Nothing in the logs either; I don't have persistent systemd journal, and the more old-fashioned /var/log/messages and such just have normal log events, a few hundred bytes of '\0's, and then the boot messages. < 1633732629 984563 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :needs to shed the skin to grow < 1633732652 111265 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh well. Maybe it was a glitchy power thing or something. I don't have any UPS or filtering on it or anything. < 1633732657 170238 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: Can you shed any light on this? < 1633732657 541156 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: i think most of the picture. i still don't think it would pay off to eat < 1633732678 735017 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's eat < 1633732680 82048 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: Well, yes, definitely don't try *eating* anything. < 1633732680 344612 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: the virtual address space is still 32-bits, though? < 1633732682 463170 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you don't feed him < 1633732695 81113 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :&that's it < 1633733156 463016 :src_!~src@user/src JOIN #esolangs src :realname < 1633733278 120789 :src_!~src@user/src QUIT :Client Quit < 1633733353 379105 :src!~src@user/src QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633734047 494482 :src!~src@user/src JOIN #esolangs src :realname < 1633734388 320169 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1633734569 638110 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633734726 646920 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633735456 328485 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds > 1633736509 983310 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unpl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88653&oldid=88649 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+5) 10user namespace > 1633736610 391832 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Help.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88654&oldid=88642 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10/* Truth Machine */ cat < 1633738065 932779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1633738896 334891 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-101-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew 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:monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633790138 988813 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633790196 642949 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633790305 519813 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :who? < 1633790701 786578 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633790771 516897 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633791198 584832 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1633791277 66782 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633791376 482699 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633791476 644375 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-17-76-68-65-112.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver < 1633791499 333884 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1633791871 117520 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633791912 665738 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633792140 936948 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1633792622 607154 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633792650 553978 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633793068 952733 :src!~src@user/src QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1633793158 34074 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633793200 549334 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633793495 158281 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: some poor guy at Google who has to justify the decisions made by the billing system to customers < 1633793505 926145 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i am missing context < 1633793514 662239 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: only a few days of it < 1633793549 441570 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :AIUI nakilon got billed for his free tier VM and doesn't understand why (nor, I think, does anybody else) < 1633793565 95637 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm sure that's oversimplified < 1633793620 408990 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :With some luck we'll get a tl;dr out of this :P < 1633793639 644739 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh shit < 1633793643 916046 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's my worst nightmare < 1633793703 975017 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633793766 6419 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633793884 792030 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-101-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins < 1633793945 334547 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633794108 419992 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-101-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1633794260 215875 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633794339 860813 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane > 1633794634 495793 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88657&oldid=88656 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-4) 10/* Commands */ < 1633794841 891365 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633794951 204326 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633795153 968439 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :--------------- Original Message --------------- < 1633795154 43256 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :From: ?????? ?????? [nakilon@...] < 1633795178 287478 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :their email does not support cyrillic letters in my name lol < 1633795203 597278 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e riv I guess I've found the final explanation < 1633795260 962893 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's all about stupid listing the "cost" and "discount" with opposite signs and on the opposite ends of the bill list < 1633795367 133982 :MrAureliusR_!~MrAureliu@user/mraureliusr QUIT :Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in < 1633795425 293693 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :simply saying, the bill says: Total - $8, CPU - $4, RAM - $2, other stuff - , ... < 1633795436 874189 :MrAureliusR!~MrAureliu@user/mraureliusr JOIN #esolangs MrAureliusR :Got ZNC? < 1633795449 462979 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633795488 229970 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633795519 312152 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it looks like CPU+RAM are the main parts of the bill, but in fact 4 pages below there is: RAM discount - -$1.9, CPU discount - -$3.9 < 1633795563 472057 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :while the "other stuff" really sum up to the same 6-8 $ if you look closely < 1633795768 96231 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv but if you want a puzzle, this still remains a mistery for me https://i.imgur.com/TaIWnE2.png - what does it mean 380h = $-1.8, 96h = $+2.1 < 1633795819 974210 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-17-76-68-65-112.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1633795994 529649 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so 384h would be 16 days? < 1633796195 345643 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633796223 410539 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633796726 443520 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633796766 195028 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane > 1633796838 589865 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88658&oldid=88081 5* 03Heptor 5* (+35) 10/* Brainfuck derivatives */ < 1633797179 562320 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean together with the graphs this reads like... 384h of a quarter vCPU, which sat idle for most of the time accumulating a discount, but not for the full 16 days because of whatever happened between September 28th and October 1st. And then there's another 96h of full vCPU time (stretched over the 16 day period, so effectively also a quarter vCPU). It is funny that those numbers don't compare. < 1633797267 450863 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633797323 226382 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633797411 695345 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the biggest part of the puzzle is... are there actually two VMs involved? < 1633797560 816686 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It's also funny that it says 383.98 for what should logically be 384.) < 1633797593 26427 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :("logically"... by the logic that this represents 384h of using a quarter of a vCPU) < 1633797822 992509 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633797894 503014 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633798394 971260 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633798506 958759 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633799000 295779 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633799043 931072 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633799520 145085 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've never looked into Cloud pricing or actually tried to take advantage of the free tier, but I've always assumed Compute Engine instances are billed based on amount of allocated CPU times instance uptime, with no effect whatsoever on whether you actually make it compute things or not (unlike Cloud Run, which does have a notion of active-but-idle). < 1633799574 512796 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://cloud.google.com/compute/vm-instance-pricing "If an instance is idle, but still has a state of RUNNING, it will be charged for instance uptime." < 1633799655 938177 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah I'm sure https://i.imgur.com/TaIWnE2.png isn't the full picture (yay, pun). < 1633799718 325988 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633799748 958005 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633799795 176212 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1633799826 552231 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not claiming I understand that table/chart at all. :) < 1633799944 572898 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1633799968 632096 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633800243 783577 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Especially the "96 hour" / "383,98 hour" thing you mentioned. The chart itself does seem to have some sort of internal consistency, in the sense that $2.09/16 ~ $0.13, which is where that daily line is, and also eyeballing the Sep 29-30 "gap" in the orange line looks like it might be worth $0.25. < 1633800250 464669 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633800255 561491 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-101-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins < 1633800291 202590 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633800791 870533 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633800848 498766 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633801348 250915 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633801415 921661 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633801917 322347 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633802026 969930 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane > 1633802122 696035 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Help.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88659&oldid=88654 5* 03WhyNot? 5* (+0) 10 < 1633802366 436438 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633802525 204333 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633802566 160824 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633802932 23690 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633803215 778871 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1633803244 195738 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633803273 514607 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633803406 99428 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1633803675 502210 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unpl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88660&oldid=88653 5* 03Larryrl 5* (+658) 10 < 1633803798 236116 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633803838 527578 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633804345 862993 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633804383 646595 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1633804398 579589 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633804526 140813 :x77!~x77@afqy218.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633804540 444139 :x77!~x77@afqy218.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1633804903 454111 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633804996 310807 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633805101 178348 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-101-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: andydude < 1633805476 770193 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633805574 492468 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633805884 928374 :mich181189_!sid268336@londonhackspace/mich181189 NICK :mich181189 < 1633805989 356646 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633806032 357524 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633806074 369115 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633806119 593395 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633806640 95011 :x77!~x77@afqy218.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PART #esolangs :Leaving < 1633806770 551410 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633806799 788551 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633806918 633592 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633807192 594705 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie that's another mystery -- there would be a gap in some 31 days long month but this discount ended on 29th < 1633807231 133087 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :while is supposed to be 720h = 30 days long < 1633807262 770120 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, maybe in the first 2 days of September there was another instance launched while I was migrating < 1633807375 910656 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633807404 151437 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633807446 768827 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and while the red/blue is supposedly proportional to 1.84/2.09, I have no idea what's the purpose of "96h" value < 1633807500 451069 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :./g 92 < 1633807502 585982 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :ww < 1633807662 904794 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and btw < 1633807961 122074 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :real average CPU usage was 15% https://i.imgur.com/AgGKNDk.png so the fact that 96 looks like 1/4 of 384 can not mean anything else I suppose that the "reserved" that is 25% but it is irrelevant to billing anyway < 1633807981 172035 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633808009 528794 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633808094 402057 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :even if you suppose that that 96h value is just a misleadinly formatted "25% of 384h" it again makes no sense because Blue part is larger than Red half and the Usage values should rather be proportional to Cost values < 1633808109 757239 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they shouldn't be equal < 1633808124 343657 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they should result in that $0.25 diff < 1633808518 110628 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633808558 528161 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633808580 134071 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh is it 383.98 because it was down for about half an hour? < 1633808592 33796 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait < 1633808618 137336 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's a minute, not half an hour < 1633808693 960022 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :In any case, as suggestive as that graph is, that screenshot isn't enough to make sense of the bill. < 1633808754 963031 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because while it's evident that there's a gap in the discount computation it does nothing to explain that gap. Though it is suggestive that it is at the end of the month, hmm < 1633808778 389055 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I just realized that it should be a bar diagram rather than using straight lines to connect those data points < 1633808844 818944 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633808932 168360 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Re "real average CPU usage", as I said I'm pretty sure actual CPU utilization has nothing to do with billing. < 1633808975 555662 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Didn't think of the 384 * 0.25 = 96 thing though, to make sense out of those two numbers. < 1633809044 155721 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not that it really makes them make sense. < 1633809078 450140 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633809131 256549 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, the 0.02 hour difference between 384 and 384,98 (why is that even formatted using a comma? nothing else is) hours sure doesn't explain why $2.09 and -$1.84 are so different. < 1633809135 217819 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633809214 224458 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: There's a pair of icons at the corner that look like a line vs. bar chart selector. < 1633809304 443837 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I saw the most ridiculous interpolated lines in a chart the other day, can't remember where that was. < 1633809320 488654 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Remember mentioning it on IRC but not which channel it was. < 1633809343 891531 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, right, no, I do. < 1633809354 713028 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/TaIWnE2.png <-- this is what I mean < 1633809377 985643 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and suddenly it looks much more like the discount running out early September 29th and resuming on October 1st < 1633809409 833170 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yeah, those icons look promising < 1633809423 768775 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Here, have a look at this ridiculous thing: https://snyk.io/wp-content/uploads/25b.png < 1633809454 974344 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so smooth! < 1633809599 108405 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I still think we don't have sufficient information to explain that gap. < 1633809626 458711 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The free instance's description says it's accounted monthly for the actual duration of the month, not 30 days. < 1633809637 232485 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633809715 953914 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633809737 395610 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it'd make a lot more sense if the *discount* was a fixed daily amount, and just the actual usage it's supposed to cancel out would be the one that'd have some glitches in if (if there's been any VM reshuffling), not the other way around. < 1633809814 155335 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now I'm wondering whether Cloud at Cost is still up and doing business. < 1633809829 905833 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e 1. I suppose gap is because in Sep 6 - Sep 8 there were two instance launched at the same time, when I migrated from Chromium to Ubuntu 2. there is a bar mode too nebaled by a button in upper right, yeah, it looks nicier but support guy LOVES lines < 1633809844 540014 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: re: icons... of course it would be great if those worked in a screenshot. (and scary. oh so scary.) < 1633809886 307342 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, first thing on the cloudatcost landing page: "virtual crypto miners". < 1633809911 859589 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :They're still selling their one-time payment VPSes though, apparently. < 1633809928 20771 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e yeah discount starts on Oct 1 because it gets kind of renewed up to 720h < 1633809984 420025 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the 720 h of discount can end up earlier during the month < 1633809987 422048 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's also this, if this is monthly you'd need to look at the utilization for all of september. < 1633809990 462292 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :forming the gap < 1633810035 41800 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :September had 30 days, incidentally, so it shouldn't be a calendar issue even if they give you 720h every month. < 1633810076 265313 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But also from the description I found I'd expect them to give you 744h for October. < 1633810091 476646 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I don't think it's supposed to be a fixed 720h. ("Each month, eligible use of all of your e2-micro instance is free until you have used a number of hours equal to the total hours in the current month.") < 1633810095 193932 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I don't know. I haven't touched GCP at all. < 1633810186 826958 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Cloud used to have an employee "have $20/month free credit" thing to get us all to just basically play around / experiment on it, but they stopped that before I managed to figure out what to do with it. < 1633810219 658177 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :did the free tier exist at the time? < 1633810236 575737 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean it kind of serves the same purpose < 1633810254 75090 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :just in a more democratic way < 1633810256 778242 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It wasn't probably exactly like the current free tier offering, at least. < 1633810262 20965 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and, evidently, intransparent) < 1633810262 253720 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e https://i.imgur.com/LeEbEKI.png < 1633810274 774479 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :23:07:15 September had 30 days, incidentally, so it shouldn't be a calendar issue < 1633810288 906139 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, so september 6th-8th is your problem < 1633810297 8563 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ this is why the support guy fristarted me from the start ebcause the 30 days issue was the first thing he said < 1633810299 406160 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :7th, actually < 1633810304 542704 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :daying that it exaplins the issue... < 1633810307 128960 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*s < 1633810312 140468 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry, typos < 1633810314 809424 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as you said < 1633810328 801992 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was half-expecting the esolangs cloudatcost host to just answer SSH again, but it doesn't. :/ < 1633810364 668189 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, the 6-8 is a problem but instead after the "there are more than 30 days" he then switched to "you have chosen wrong type of disk..." < 1633810368 883819 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633810386 434120 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It also says it's run for 766.67 (quarter-vCPU) hours in September. < 1633810397 860745 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633810419 900137 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: Yeah you've provided quite a bit of evidence that the support person is clueless. < 1633810508 231857 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't understand those "Usage" column numbers in this later chart either. :) < 1633810549 982935 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And the comma is still weirding me out. :) < 1633810560 628378 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Arguably the discount numbers should say 720h instead of 766.67 < 1633810568 537839 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll post something in /r/googlecloud later to make people realise why they have this "I've switched to new e2-micro but my bill only grows!" < 1633810636 539602 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, idk what 766.67 mean; if I have used all the discount of the month it should be something divisable by 24 I suppose < 1633810637 292906 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1633810645 361663 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I mean, even ignoring the core parts, the RAM part says "766,67 gibibyte hour" for both the red and orange ones. < 1633810654 669647 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> 766.67/4 -- at least that's reasonably close to 191.67 < 1633810669 689710 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it *might* mean just "usage that's eligible for the discount", no matter whether the discount runs out or not. < 1633810671 714642 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@bot < 1633810677 344281 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :uh. < 1633810687 718925 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs ::) < 1633810688 841170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 191.6675 < 1633810719 957944 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf happened there < 1633810734 716860 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe just Libera being slow? < 1633810750 818202 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :> 766.67/24 < 1633810758 380088 :Bowserinator_!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1633810766 81315 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Interesting that the order got flipped though. < 1633810793 210677 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nah it does spawn a Haskell thread per query < 1633810837 860246 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` ruby -e 'p 766.67/24' < 1633810840 897090 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :31.94458333333333 < 1633810858 981896 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` ruby -e 'p 32*24' < 1633810860 317459 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :768 < 1633810862 590127 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633810864 413462 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 31.94458333333333 < 1633810872 421 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and the `>` involves running an external process) < 1633810904 923080 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633810907 543035 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but hmm. can I see what it's doing somehow I wonder... < 1633810910 573935 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` ruby -e 'p 24*0.05541' < 1633810911 969640 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1.32984 < 1633810915 379825 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> 1 < 1633810917 132227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 1 < 1633810920 172054 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1633810923 697351 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's 32 days minus 1.32 h of discount < 1633810925 253848 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :_<> < 1633810945 192480 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633810978 467955 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait, it's not discount, it's what I've used < 1633810978 552058 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> 3.93/720*766.67 < 1633810980 398588 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 4.184740416666666 < 1633810995 125012 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so then I paid for extra 46 hours I suppose < 1633811013 732178 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, that's what it looks like. < 1633811105 528523 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :still not fair as someone here noted it's more than 360 days in a year so it's like you'll have to pay for 5 days even on a "Free Tier" < 1633811143 167139 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: I believe, from the information about the free tier, that you get d*24h for a month with d days. < 1633811182 357726 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah ok < 1633811183 101034 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And fizzie also read it that way. < 1633811296 30944 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :source is here: https://cloud.google.com/free/docs/gcp-free-tier#compute "Each month, eligible use of all of your e2-micro instance is free until you have used a number of hours equal to the total hours in the current month." < 1633811450 701165 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633811501 641957 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633812011 464720 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633812090 801228 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633812269 150964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633812339 795436 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN #esolangs lambdabot :Lambda_Robots:_100%_Loyal < 1633812601 301766 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633812694 187126 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633813204 358595 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633813245 471926 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane > 1633813978 215715 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unpl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88661&oldid=88660 5* 03Larryrl 5* (+7) 10/* Instructions */ < 1633814008 471072 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633814036 534724 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane > 1633814073 64006 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unpl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88662&oldid=88661 5* 03Larryrl 5* (+1) 10/* Instructions */ > 1633814470 90796 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unpl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88663&oldid=88662 5* 03Larryrl 5* (+516) 10/* Examples */ > 1633814493 67371 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unpl14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88664&oldid=88663 5* 03Larryrl 5* (-1) 10/* Examples */ < 1633814506 655141 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10/* Examples */ < 1633815111 565940 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633815167 569600 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane > 1633815276 978180 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88668&oldid=88657 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+178) 10/* Program Examples */ > 1633815309 957223 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88669&oldid=88668 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+4) 10 > 1633815365 137784 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88670&oldid=88669 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+83) 10/* Truth Machine */ < 1633815676 269822 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633815746 840120 :monoxane75!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs 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:Maeve Sproule < 1633820228 327013 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1633821295 633152 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok my graph path algorithm sucks https://i.imgur.com/3vN4ywG.png it ended up with a 3-star that can not be resolved, all they ways are blacklisted; I'm so unwilling to implemented the wikipedia algorithms... < 1633823648 323345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1633823777 387450 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ > 1633824634 606347 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ecstatic14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88672&oldid=79668 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+4520) 10Supplemented a few notes regarding the encoding process, rectified incorrect tallies in the example, and added a Common Lisp implementation of the conversion routines. < 1633824729 443608 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh https://i.imgur.com/jALW0h6.mp4 < 1633828404 630783 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633828495 325924 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633829042 632357 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1633830154 670325 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* 10New user account > 1633830423 720619 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88673&oldid=88651 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+296) 10Introduced myself. 'nuff said :) < 1633830565 957520 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-101-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs andydude :Andrew Robbins > 1633831058 106600 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Rudolph426814]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88674 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+78) 10Created my user page > 1633831174 528201 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Rudolph426814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88675&oldid=88674 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+38) 10edit 1 < 1633831407 630243 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633831440 814162 :andydude!~arobbins@c-76-111-101-250.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: andydude < 1633831513 631626 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1633832323 903353 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sona14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88676&oldid=88113 5* 030utdacious 5* (+95) 10Noted turing completeness > 1633833382 744462 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88677&oldid=88670 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+210) 10 > 1633833427 197710 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88678&oldid=88677 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+4) 10/* Truth Machine */ > 1633833486 40635 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88679&oldid=88632 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+265) 10/* Assembly language */ > 1633833646 83316 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88680&oldid=88678 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+19) 10/* Program Examples */ > 1633833672 354784 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88681 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+1216) 10Initial creation > 1633833714 467337 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88682&oldid=88680 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-2) 10/* Hello World */ > 1633835090 552650 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88683&oldid=88681 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+996) 10/* Added and changed commands/syntax */ < 1633835190 635458 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633835221 842436 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1633835542 632757 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633835572 738638 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Quit: estoy fuera > 1633836706 712146 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88684&oldid=88683 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+876) 10 > 1633837660 522542 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88685&oldid=88684 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+398) 10Getting closer to v1.0 of this article! > 1633837910 175472 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88686&oldid=88685 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+183) 10Almost done! < 1633838064 189859 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane > 1633838230 240956 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88687&oldid=88686 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+384) 10This should be good for now > 1633838306 733307 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88688&oldid=88687 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+2) 10/* Building EXDotSF for your platform */ > 1633838334 437224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88689&oldid=88688 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+2) 10/* Running EXDotSF programs */ < 1633838481 639430 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN #esolangs * :Corbin < 1633838505 627181 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633838640 635671 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1633838786 436999 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88690&oldid=88689 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+39) 10/* Example programs utilizing EXDotSF's new features */ < 1633839070 269854 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1633839073 531103 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88691&oldid=88690 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (-6) 10/* Building EXDotSF for your platform */ > 1633839229 460001 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88692&oldid=88691 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+4) 10 > 1633839371 333985 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:EXDotSF14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88693 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+39) 10Create talk page for EXDotSF < 1633839402 648102 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633839537 554319 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1633839553 100165 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88694&oldid=88692 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+31) 10 > 1633840109 455605 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88695&oldid=88694 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+8) 10/* Running an EXDotSF program */ > 1633840131 632808 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88696&oldid=88695 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+15) 10/* Running an EXDotSF program */ < 1633840320 322725 :monoxane!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net QUIT :Quit: estoy fuera < 1633840330 938112 :monoxane7!~monoxane@119-18-17-227.771211.mel.static.aussiebb.net NICK :monoxane > 1633840806 334665 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88697&oldid=88696 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (-5) 10Changed External Links back to Source code > 1633842455 814369 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88698&oldid=88697 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (-667) 10Moving the Building and Running sections to the GitHub repo's README > 1633842476 749692 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88699&oldid=88698 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+1) 10/* Source code */ < 1633843484 91981 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.3 < 1633843839 212546 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/ZrzCDt7.png Finally, a recognizeable Mandelbrot! < 1633843873 409752 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch > 1633845503 929855 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Rudolph426814]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88700 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+9) 10Created page with "Dead air." > 1633847205 663883 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88701&oldid=88699 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+103) 10Added a "Hello world!" example < 1633851245 530767 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1633853112 640695 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633853325 634441 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds > 1633853616 388578 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88702&oldid=88701 5* 03OliveIsAWord 5* (+4) 10added link to DotSF < 1633854123 117644 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633854417 407130 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1633854662 424401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1633855123 417738 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river > 1633856557 385249 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88703&oldid=88087 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+157) 10/* Hardware implementations */ < 1633857141 540315 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1633857750 780807 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88704&oldid=88702 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+436) 10Added 2 new sections about planned new features that have yet to be worked on and ones that are currently being implemented < 1633857869 414251 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1633857917 454662 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88705&oldid=88704 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+119) 10/* Planned new features that are currently being worked on and implemented */ < 1633857930 137269 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633858206 428849 :mich181189!sid268336@londonhackspace/mich181189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633858500 437432 :mich181189!sid268336@londonhackspace/mich181189 JOIN #esolangs mich181189 :Michael < 1633858880 938392 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/juTWsxM.mp4 < 1633860995 200977 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :25 vertices - up to 1s, 50 - 5s, 75 - 10s, 100 - 20s... so I assume with 200 vertices it will run 5 minutes, 300 - more than an hour, 400 - a day... meh, I wanted to find a run on 1000... < 1633861216 205120 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but as a byproduct I'm again thinking about making the intermediate file format for Vips; because here it's 10 times longer when I'm rendering the images; partly because every frame is being drawn from blank; instead of trying to optimize it by using intermediate frames one could use some intermediate file format that would describe the sequences < 1633861216 279238 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :of vips operations and then you can optimize or even adjust them for different visualisation results < 1633861311 950540 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and of course to separate the steps of calculation and rendering < 1633862155 340640 :mich181189!sid268336@londonhackspace/mich181189 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633862275 301718 :mich181189!sid268336@londonhackspace/mich181189 JOIN #esolangs mich181189 :Michael < 1633863431 104525 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633864791 633794 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1633864860 657625 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1633865319 320712 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there any theorem on the pairs that will be definitely joined in the shortest path? < 1633865336 361035 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe the mutually closest vertices? < 1633865695 924271 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh the vertex can have multiple closest neighbors < 1633868861 411855 :Koen_!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1633868953 389340 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633870306 352420 :imode!~imode@user/imode QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633871467 691855 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If this is still about Hamiltonian paths, and mutually closest just means the lowest-distance edge in the graph, pretty sure that edge isn't always in the shortest path. For example in something like https://zem.fi/tmp/graph.png I don't think the unique edge A→B with weight 1 can possibly be on any valid Hamiltonian path. < 1633871514 684283 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(If you have a fully connected graph, just imagine all the other distances are > 8.) < 1633872018 443570 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but what if it's in metric space? < 1633872029 506439 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :i.e. it can't have all other distances > 8 < 1633872150 313089 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the shortest path on graph like yours will be top-A-B-side-bottom < 1633872306 91273 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wait, no, purple seems looks shorter < 1633872346 321973 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you turn bottom one a bit to the left < 1633872427 295682 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1633872837 319865 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633873253 664821 :Koen_!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633874026 243113 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1633874386 78335 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll try my current solution on your test < 1633874656 469760 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh https://i.imgur.com/VZSUcxB.png < 1633874811 221668 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm neither of other ideas I imagine solve this case correctly < 1633874833 11412 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :except the one that starts with not the shortest but with the longest < 1633874920 319419 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1633875030 865368 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzohwKT6TNA < 1633875037 170418 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wish this channel was called #esoteric < 1633875239 439454 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you start not with multiple segments like you saw in my gif but with only one edge (the longest one) and then add vertices one by one into the segment by selecting the vertex with the largest minimal distance to already joined vertices < 1633875311 537707 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if the current part if N long when joining another vertex you consider N+2 variants: attaching to either of ends and breaking into any existing edge < 1633875343 752424 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I imagine it should solve the fizzie's case correctly at least < 1633875354 219137 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? #esoteric < 1633875357 137409 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's a 7-codimensional hyperenchilada about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. Currently located in the Atlantis Exclusion Zone. < 1633875405 414623 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hahaha < 1633875439 125571 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :how did it come up with such a brilliant explanation < 1633875829 85609 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've spent a lot of time factorizing numbers in my head -- I believe the bruteforce isn't that bad as it looks like < 1633875873 542436 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :every prime number has some almost round numbers if you multiply them by something < 1633875910 513096 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you should be able to remember those to quickly subtract or add them from the number you try to divide < 1633875944 659827 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose there can be found some effective list of such "subtractors" < 1633876030 582506 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wp hyperenchilada < 1633876034 225296 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs :nothing was found < 1633876209 967006 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :to find those the process of doing math in head should be somehow modelled to estimate it cost properly < 1633876231 413190 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.3 < 1633876305 428317 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1633876306 452354 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course it's still limited to number of such helpful numbers you can remember < 1633877095 673320 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-112-4.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN #esolangs joast :purple < 1633877471 338133 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :river < 1633879759 742283 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633880631 404816 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1633880669 439115 :src!~src@user/src JOIN #esolangs src :realname < 1633881031 318392 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633881031 444981 :aarchi!sid486183@uxbridge.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633881124 348738 :aarchi!sid486183@id-486183.uxbridge.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs aarchi :aarchi < 1633882202 243970 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq JOIN #esolangs pikhq :Ada Worcester < 1633882908 391191 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if the path garaunteed to have no crossings on a plane < 1633883965 862974 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/ug7PG8S.mp4 < 1633883981 559756 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I turned on my drawing screen to draw another counterexample, but my whole computer froze up. < 1633884001 568239 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's some weird nvidia driver bug. :/ < 1633884336 463578 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1633885168 619597 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: that used to happen with my old computer. the integrated intel video card sometimes froze up the whole computer when changing video modes. and it only started right after a debian version upgrade, so I believe it's a driver problem. < 1633885492 649190 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. Yeah, in my case it started after a driver version upgrade, but I *also* changed the monitor setup at the same time, so I don't know which one to blame. < 1633885658 216208 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Always a bad idea to do more than one change at a time.) < 1633885722 968715 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you won't know when it's "tested long enough to know it's ok" though < 1633885727 123362 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( never buy a new computer ) < 1633885902 560375 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :When it hangs, it's just the X process that goes into the D state, and consistently somewhere deep inside the nvidia driver code -- https://0x0.st/-gjD.txt -- so I do think it's most likely an issue with those drivers at least in some sense. I just don't know if it was something introduced in the new version, or always there and just triggered by my change in the way I'm using it. < 1633885935 580583 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Been wondering if I should give the open-source `nouveau` driver a try again. < 1633885949 318924 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :They might have caught up to my no-longer-bleeding-edge hardware maybe. < 1633886087 325021 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1633886143 310915 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Actually, looks like this last hangup was slightly different, it also produced this into dmesg: https://0x0.st/-EfN.txt < 1633886678 175783 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633887954 570214 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633888097 986440 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yay, so my idea to order photo shots based on similarity actually work < 1633888202 230558 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :requests with some hundreds of unordered photos or images are welcome < 1633888510 90291 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :~/img$ find . -iname '*.jpg' | wc -l < 1633888512 385155 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :212592 < 1633888514 397531 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Not that I'm about to share them, and they're ordered to some degree anyway.) < 1633888572 906780 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it an image hosting lol < 1633888908 279834 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll try on MNIST digits < 1633889131 341496 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1633889628 220859 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://i.imgur.com/IVX4smi.mp4 < 1633889640 336723 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1633890044 265443 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(image distance calculation via IDHash (c)) < 1633890702 813078 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1633890726 625278 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat > 1633890836 197716 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88706&oldid=88705 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (-33) 10Update status for the multi-stack feature > 1633891087 36566 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88707&oldid=88706 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+4) 10Altered the Cat program heading to link to the article > 1633891570 157311 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Molten 5* 10New user account < 1633892282 456396 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there a "brainfuck derivative" that can somehow be interpreted as a derivative of brainfuck? < 1633892918 749227 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :fancy seeing you here, riv. ;) < 1633892938 415931 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs ::) > 1633894784 168893 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Creatable 5* 10New user account > 1633895054 825474 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88708&oldid=88673 5* 03Creatable 5* (+118) 10/* Introductions */ > 1633895094 865871 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88709&oldid=88708 5* 03Creatable 5* (+89) 10/* Introductions */ > 1633895107 139224 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hell.js14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88710 5* 03Creatable 5* (+499) 10Created page with "'''Hell''' is an esoteric subset of the JavaScript programming language that uses JavaScript's built in Proxy feature to run code. Hell code is identical to Java..." < 1633896109 511716 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633897480 935723 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1633897930 761909 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1633900831 363001 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1633900930 567119 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1633901897 827800 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88711&oldid=88707 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+671) 10Added a portion of the new mult-stack commands to the article > 1633902547 581932 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88712&oldid=88711 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+746) 10Brought the article up to date with the current spec atm > 1633902702 980975 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88713&oldid=88712 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+186) 10Added the Notes and considerations section > 1633903140 207517 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88714&oldid=88713 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+122) 10Forgot to document the ` command > 1633905042 409618 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Rudolph426814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88715&oldid=88675 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+819) 10Implemented my user page lol < 1633905061 640905 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :didn't know that around my town there are almost 50'000 of "Urum" people and they speak "Urum language" that isn't even well researched https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urum_language < 1633905135 798125 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ethnicity that I've never even heard about but pretty much could saw them > 1633905147 717025 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Rudolph426814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88716&oldid=88715 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+24) 10A little touch-up < 1633905255 277426 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :descendants of ancient Greeks as I understand < 1633905273 61857 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's insane how much people migrate through the history < 1633905343 995175 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :if I was there now I would plan a travel to those villages and find some Urums to get to know them better < 1633905354 873201 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably I'm just getting old < 1633905365 469470 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :being interested in all this historical stuff > 1633907590 981225 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88717&oldid=88714 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+0) 10Fixed an error in the documentation < 1633908894 320436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1633909474 385080 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1633911720 305228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hell.js14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88718&oldid=88710 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+78) 10cats > 1633912177 787206 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88719&oldid=88643 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+14) 10/* H */ add < 1633914865 507668 :ski!~ski@remote12.chalmers.se JOIN #esolangs ski :Stefan Ljungstrand < 1633915406 345841 :aarchi!sid486183@id-486183.uxbridge.irccloud.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633915427 243448 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1633915591 954082 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq JOIN #esolangs pikhq :Ada Worcester < 1633915592 377680 :aarchi!sid486183@uxbridge.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs aarchi :aarchi < 1633916238 648620 :mich181189!sid268336@londonhackspace/mich181189 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1633917131 366437 :mich181189!sid268336@londonhackspace/mich181189 JOIN #esolangs mich181189 :Michael < 1633919718 641588 :src!~src@user/src QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633920180 789085 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there are a few deficiencies in RDF, so perhaps this one might be better: http://sprunge.us/mwGxjM Do you have a comment about this? I could make some changes (Like RDF, lists of objects would probably be stored as linked lists) < 1633920974 82497 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess. You're keeping the underlying theory in mind, right? The key is triples, AKA spans. The primitive data seems decent. Are you imagining interoperating with Wikidata or other big stores? < 1633921059 721920 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, it is the same kind of underlying idea, being triples. < 1633921110 199754 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :About interoperating with Wikidata and others, I have not considered that, althought to do that first I would have to see what format Wikidata uses. I will look it up right now, I suppose. < 1633921200 620053 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org QUIT :Quit: I seem to have stopped. < 1633921268 619542 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN #esolangs Taneb :Nathan van Doorn < 1633921395 411879 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wikidata will probably work OK with this format, as far as I can tell from what I read so far. (I haven't finished reading it.) < 1633922344 441584 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there space on the wiki for descriptions of bug classes or for design mistakes in languages? I think that there should be a nosology of language design, basically. > 1633922354 657 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88720&oldid=88717 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+262) 10Added the rest of the multi-stack commands > 1633922440 14280 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88721&oldid=88720 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (-28) 10Change status of the Multi-Stack commands > 1633922561 790474 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EXDotSF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88722&oldid=88721 5* 03Rudolph4268 5* (+70) 10Move the multi-stack feature status to a new section called "Completed new features" < 1633923066 709394 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you have some examples? < 1633923375 546943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :@wn nosology < 1633923376 414545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :*** "nosology" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1633923376 414593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :nosology < 1633923376 602752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : n 1: the branch of medical science dealing with the < 1633923376 635373 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : classification of disease [syn: {nosology}, {diagnostics}] < 1633924096 22613 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: Famous bug classes include deferencing NULL pointers, use after free, and time-of-check vs. time-of-use. < 1633924194 21094 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Famous design mistakes include global scopes and omitting error management. I think I'm obligated to reference https://www.mcmillen.dev/language_checklist.html but it is well-known to be rude. < 1633924292 32641 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :WP redirects "use after free" to "dangling pointer"; the design decision to allow dangling pointers causes the possibility of use-after-free bugs. In this way, design decisions lead to bug classes on a per-language basis. > 1633925257 957327 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Why Does This Towel Smell Different Each Time I Use It14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88723&oldid=87272 5* 03LarhoCherqi 5* (+87) 10 < 1633925580 93730 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :good lang name < 1633925654 28655 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think having a NULL pointer or object (even if the language/runtime prevents it from causing undefined behavior) is widely seen as a design mistake < 1633925684 441730 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :Tony Hoare called it his "billion-dollar mistake" < 1633925696 975824 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that depending on the programming languages and on the uses, sometimes such things can help, to avoid the compiler having to check. However, it could help to have a compiler switch to tell it to check. < 1633925727 636026 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is better to have a Maybe/Option type, which can be used where and only where needed, and whose presence must always be accounted for < 1633925751 196225 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think another language design mistake is having too much implicit behavior, especially implicit conversions between different types < 1633925759 549128 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :C++ is the pinnacle of this < 1633925781 525635 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :even the simplest expression in C++ can invoke all kinds of implicit conversions defined in all sorts of different places < 1633925802 425921 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :the conversions can be convenient, but at what cost? < 1633925803 843648 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep, incorrect widening and narrowing only happen because of implicit conversions. < 1633925841 814423 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that C is still good, but that doesn't mean that other programming languages that work differently aren't good. I do think that C++ is too confusing though < 1633925957 140472 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyways, Free Hero Mesh does detect use of invalid pointers and will result in a "Attempt to use a nonexistent object" error if you try to use one (the only operations that will work on invalid pointers are assigning them to variables (or passing as arguments), testing for equality, and testing the Destroyed property (which is always true)). < 1633926000 507618 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Testing for equality will always work correctly; two different objects (even if both have been freed) are still considered unequal.) < 1633926038 116195 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have seen the checklist you linked to though, but now I can see again < 1633926173 644668 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, thinking that C is good might be an obstacle to grokking the topic. Indeed, thinking that *any* language is good might be an obstacle. < 1633926257 828565 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The goal is to have an overall transition from language design in terms of features and inclusions to design in terms of misfeatures and bug classes. < 1633926406 950354 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :O, OK. I do believe that no programming languages are perfect all of them have some problems. However, I also think that different programming languages can be good for different things. < 1633926431 837989 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :But listing the misfeatures and bug classes is a valid way to mention them, so I agree you should make such list. < 1633926527 146767 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cHSXziWOZ_44oSdyaKkJ-X0hTF_OhunIjgnrJ8oycss/edit# is a decent example of such a listing. It's not quite as big-picture as I'd like though. < 1633927219 476241 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't like Google Docs. Do you have a different format such as plain text? (I once figured out how to use the API to download the plain text file, although I lost it and cannot find it again.) < 1633927355 296728 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, and indeed I'd like to cite this as a PDF or something more durable. < 1633927371 349597 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :But this is the only link I've known the author to give out. < 1633927608 399907 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you know the API to download it as plain text? (I know there is one because I had used it before, but I do not remember what it is.) (PDF would work too) < 1633927623 370244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( does the list contain "using Google Docs" ) < 1633927654 189231 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, some programming languages are domain specific programming languages. (There might also be programming languages that would count as both general purpose and domain specific, such as PostScript.) > 1633928196 458922 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Greg.png10]]" > 1633928663 604332 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88725 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+4) 10Greg > 1633928735 481851 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88726&oldid=88725 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+48) 10 < 1633928832 253828 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is disagreement of which features you might consider to be bad; e.g. some people don't like GOTO but I think that GOTO is good (although with enough other flow controls, you will not need GOTO much) > 1633929168 279162 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88727&oldid=88726 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+1590) 10working on this dont mind me > 1633929287 911541 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88728&oldid=88727 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+29) 10 < 1633929495 655891 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not saying whether features are good or bad; I'm saying which kinds of bugs predictably arise because of certain features. < 1633930284 823908 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :O, OK. Many features of C can lead to bugs, but sometimes valgrind is helpful. 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Anywhere. < 1633964990 362878 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space JOIN #esolangs SoniEx2 :Genders: ♾️, 🟪⬜🟩 Soni L. < 1633965209 631129 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :python is fine < 1633965286 383059 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not the most exciting thing but it's broadly useful and doesn't have too much stuff that's pants-on-head stupid (unlike, say, PHP) < 1633965341 585176 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :your attitude reeks of unjustified elitism < 1633965377 967884 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think I've done enough "real programming" in other languages to have a perspective here < 1633965433 322856 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have mastered several difficult languages and I still like Python for what it is < 1633965462 10350 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact it's one of the few languages I still use on a regular basis < 1633965493 980037 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think every job I ever had included some coding in Python, whatever the "main" language in use was < 1633965639 367369 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1633965981 142767 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1633966366 726514 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :by saying that other languages were difficult you just confirmed that the only case when people like is when they didn't yet try anything better < 1633966406 342425 :dermato!~dermatobr@cpe-70-114-219-76.austin.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633966458 259271 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the whole existence of the "Zen" highlights the fact that it's more into religion, a cult, and cults are saying that everything sucks that isn't within a cult < 1633966493 120159 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that makes adepts to keep eyes closed for decades < 1633966526 390965 :dermato!~dermatobr@cpe-70-114-219-76.austin.res.rr.com JOIN #esolangs dermato :dermato < 1633966566 235549 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :not even saying about the contents of that "Zen" that is so full of lies and contradicts with actual principles that were used to build the language and its libraries < 1633966600 241171 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that contradiction teaches adepts being ignorant, practice lying to themselves and other negative personal traits < 1633966627 856585 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :thankfully mostly harmful to themselves rather than to others < 1633966650 723395 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that makes little no interpersonal harm because mostly people don't care about health of others < 1633966657 489576 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Python has many faults, but most popular languages have many faults, so it's not special. < 1633966671 503617 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The politics around the CPython reference interpreter are quite toxic though. < 1633966671 895093 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I look at sick people and wish they weren't like that < 1633966800 511273 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :being stubborn makes people waste their time, and the more they waste the more they won't be able to realise that < 1633966807 530450 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or speak about it < 1633966900 183583 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example, why don't PHP coders resist? why don't they say "fuck off with all these other fancy languages, we don't need it, all their features suck, we have everything we need for the next 1000 thousands of years" < 1633966967 832800 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people easily switch or expand their toolset, learn new languages and laugh at PHP saying "omg I've spent so much time in it, lmao" < 1633967223 88112 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is just an angrier version of the Blub Paradox, which itself comes from thinking that we've discovered all of the different possible programming languages. < 1633967247 787501 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Let people injure themselves. Let people damage themselves with PHP. Let entire PHP shops run themselves into the ground. Do not trouble yourself so much. < 1633967296 42187 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's a good advice < 1633967572 170158 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :when new people in Russia come into IT and since there is not enough universities to make people come into it in a proper way it's became a standard and a rule that you don't have to learn things at all -- neither math not languages, just go forward with the most common keywords < 1633967866 429081 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's even become a common understanding that actually education is not needed and those with a degree are retards who don't know what they are doing (that's partially why they have to emigrate) so when some new guy says "hmm I wanna learn coding, what should I learn?", he uses "the most popular keywords" that is for example "Yandex are the largest" < 1633967866 503323 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and of course he does not know that it became the largest due to consisting of the "guys with math and diplomas" but who cares), and then he asks "what's the most common language in Yandex?" and of course since it's only a half of staff are coders the most used (not the most vital for the company that is C and its family but again who cares) < 1633967866 503371 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :language the most common was Perl ~20 years ago and then they've switched to Python < 1633967952 494046 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :while the world evolves even within the Russia: Delphi was replaced with C++, C#, Java, people are adopting Rust, Erlang; even some Rubyists are switching to Elixir < 1633968000 913068 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but inside the "big keyword company" it's obviously a huge inside inertia and most of the people on the outside don't understand how it works < 1633968097 332033 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also even within the big inertial company there is an inside research and practice that just don't get exposed < 1633968160 903238 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :instead people doing not deep enough googling only get the surface knowledge that is so far from being modern, performant, etc. < 1633969591 940253 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1633970183 130250 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv > 1633970423 264889 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Willicoder14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88732&oldid=71587 5* 03Willicoder 5* (-613) 10Redid my user page since I am older, and didnt really like how it put things about me. Its really short now though, so I should probably extend it more. < 1633971631 870078 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633972100 70792 :shikhin!~shikhin@offtopia/offtopian QUIT :Quit: Quittin'. < 1633972212 293690 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space JOIN #esolangs * :shikhin < 1633972266 521876 :shikhin!~shikhin@ahti.space CHGHOST ~shikhin :offtopia/offtopian < 1633972532 578128 :imode!~imode@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1633973081 965022 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ < 1633973199 218524 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Quit: hendursa1 < 1633973292 204550 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1633973502 387717 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1633975927 656652 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like many programming languages I think, Python has some good ideas and some bad ones, although I would agree that it isn't stupid like PHP. < 1633976029 770767 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't like python, i think it is bad < 1633976038 745524 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tried to use it recently and I got annoyed < 1633976113 438798 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't really like Python much either, although I would think it isn't as bad as PHP (which is a programming language I used to use more often) (at least older versions of PHP; the newer versions I don't know) < 1633976621 456342 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :08:32 < nakilon> by saying that other languages were difficult you just confirmed that the only case when people like is when they didn't yet try anything better < 1633976624 951496 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh? < 1633976627 824125 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, I have mastered those languages and I like them < 1633976631 851514 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :C, C++, Haskell, Rust < 1633976645 733902 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :that doesn't mean i need to hate Python out of some elitism < 1633976667 563981 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I only mentioned those langs because you seem to think if someone likes Python then they're incapable of using "real" languages < 1633976668 309563 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you like python because other languages were more difficult < 1633976671 704197 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :no < 1633976683 989345 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :i like python because it's good for quickly getting things done in certain areas < 1633976690 604160 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Again, design decisions and bug classes are worth a focus. Python allows for stale stack frames, for example; a coroutine can pause mid-function. This leads to bugs caused by broken invariants, related to reentrancy safety. < 1633976692 797727 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is the same < 1633976709 105369 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you call it "good, quick" because you didn't use anything better and quicker < 1633976723 171212 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :what would be a better choice for simple utility scripts and things like that < 1633976733 170519 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not going to write those in C++ or Haskell < 1633976744 452998 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :those languages have their place, I'm not complaining that they're "too hard" < 1633976762 750758 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The `ctypes` module directly leads to segfaults. If that module and also the ability to create code objects from bytestrings were removed, then Python could no longer segfault (except from implementation bugs, of course!) < 1633976809 45646 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :if I need to do some simple text data munging, file manipulation, etc. then I can accomplish that task and move on with my day much quicker if I use Python < 1633976815 88901 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin Matz has already deprecated one similar feature from Ruby and is currently disliking the callcc and would like to deprecate it too, and there is an opinion that people don't use them much anyway < 1633976868 587359 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: An example bug in Ruby is the bareword handling in the parser, which creates the bug class where it's hard to tell whether an identifier is going to call a method when mentioned. < 1633976886 231670 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I shouldn't say "example bug", but "example design decision", since that's the point I'm trying to make. < 1633976912 505647 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I'm not a real programmer unless I code everything in assembly, right < 1633976917 999701 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :people like you just want someone to look down on < 1633976957 345907 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin in >99% cases it's the same trivial to understand what's gonna be called as remembering the arithmetic operator precedence -- you don't dislike that we are all assuming that * is higher than + in C, right? < 1633977002 958141 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, there are some cases in Ruby of being "tricky" but you'll face them only after years and only if you don't follow the "good practices" that are adopted by most of coders (not me though) < 1633977036 725740 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean those cases are pretty rare, people don't tend to reach them < 1633977051 764603 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: Unary or binary? (And *that* design decision leads to a surprising bug class; in e.g. C++ the parser used to need a lot of time to figure out whether certain symbols were operators or structural boilerplate.) < 1633977062 216516 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :the fact that I've done linux kernel programming, high performance parallel systems code, embedded development etc in all these "real languages" doesn't count for anything... as soon as i touch 1 line of python it makes me a wimp < 1633977066 256215 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1633977068 750341 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :go fuck yourself < 1633977082 938598 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :done with you shitting up this channel < 1633977084 113374 :keegan!~beehive@li521-214.members.linode.com PART :#esolangs < 1633977090 769511 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't believe in good practices, sorry; I mostly don't believe that there's such a thing as good code, nor people who reliably write only good code. < 1633977130 475487 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1633977284 489269 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin I don't call that standard "good", it's just the most adopted, and is used in Rails because Rails projects teams are often filled with junior developers and they need something to stop them; on the other side in Google there is another standard, and they skip () a lot < 1633977316 237411 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1633977318 908258 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the Rails standard has own pieces that provoke bugs < 1633977329 846260 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people can bug anything ..D < 1633977432 851250 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically any ruby code style is forcing you do discard most of the language features and stick to something < 1633977547 23755 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :for example, AFAIK in Go there is some built-in linter, and in Ruby they made a gem "rubocop" that cries about some "bad styling" -- people add the rubocop to a project "to make code easier to maintain" but in fact start wasting a ton of time on pleasing this linter < 1633977611 36611 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the default rules in it are crazy so then people build a multiple pages long "config" for it to make it skip specific pieces of your code < 1633977777 244637 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin you might say that in Ruby the ability to use "{ }" instead of "do end" is a bad idea; because it has another precedence that has some _minimal_ but yet existing probability to cause a bug < 1633977844 91939 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but at least itself the feature wasn't added randomly and is making the code more comprehensive in the first place < 1633977911 168321 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but then as coding in C you learn that * has higher precedence than +, in the same way coding in Ruby you learn that "{ }" have higher precedence than "do end" and the "problem" is gone < 1633978007 77583 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633978267 753505 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that features are not necessarily a bad idea just because they might cause a bug. < 1633978501 487079 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :A good design might be you have enough ropes to hang yourself and also a few more just in case. < 1633978525 241555 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :on topic of the examples of bad features: Ruby allowed to pass both args and kwargs with just * < 1633978543 876364 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and in recent versions it was deprecated -- now kwargs need ** < 1633978619 338804 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is the biggest recent change that broke a lot of gems where authors though "oh how cool, I can pass everything with just single *, let's do golf" that is in my opinion was a bad idea in the first place < 1633978647 958905 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean that was their fault < 1633978958 425526 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: Not just a single bug, but an entire class of bugs. That's the key feature here; each misfeature is weighed so heavily because it creates uncountable opportunities for bugs. < 1633979231 61529 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also think that different programming languages will be good for different purposes. I don't always use the same programming language for all programs, either, and some other programmers, too < 1633979458 283778 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would use Mathematica more if it was free < 1633979566 251988 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :just imagine that instead of spending two days to making own "shortest Hamilton path" I would just call one function or two... < 1633979571 903075 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :*on making < 1633979737 877195 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :though it's rather about the toolkit than about language features < 1633980923 164432 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although features of programming languages can be used badly, that doesn't mean it can't be used in the good way too, or used not at all. Perhaps that can also be a idea: if a feature seems that it would result too many bugs when used, try to design it so that the feature is optional and shouldn't be needed much. < 1633981196 800813 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The example of "Ruby allowed to pass both args and kwargs with just *" seems to be another kind of problem, which is if things are changed that causes things to stop working. < 1633982997 544874 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: Great example of a trash-tier language with a great library. The language itself, Wolfram, is a boring term-rewriting language which TBH is comparable to Thue in terms of blandness. < 1633983049 916453 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633983680 931593 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1633985240 160895 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin what do you find to be bad in the language? < 1633985274 213897 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin said bland, not bad < 1633985287 342587 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's much better than Maple's hodge-podge domain-specific nonsense < 1633985293 549490 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I only have problems with passing arguments, like... when I was trying to draw graphs recently when you pass those style options it appears that they stop working when I change the order < 1633985315 121090 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least Mathematica is consistent about its weak typedness < 1633985330 840701 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :instead it would be better if it was saying "dude, you passed something wrongly" but it produces the graph image, just not properly stylized < 1633985342 55297 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can index almost any term, and accidentally do list operations on it even if it's not a list, it's a great way to shoot yourself into the foot < 1633985353 510296 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in Maple there's no one way to mess up with any input, in Mathematica there is < 1633985362 581245 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have to admire that kind of consistency < 1633985373 302091 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I like the syntax -- all these abilities around wrapping and rolling out the functions, arguments < 1633985493 326784 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the concept of functions to have a property to be "Listable" < 1633985581 297167 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that when you apply a function to something if this something is a list the function is applies to each element, repeating recursively < 1633985662 229197 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Listable and Orderless -- I don't remember if this is official names or I made it up when I was porting these features https://github.com/Nakilon/mll/blob/dece915f19017b4f6ddf477a5a49a5578dd5a74b/lib/mll.rb#L282-L328 < 1633987338 402179 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1633987406 369044 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633987417 705423 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1633988269 777491 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88733&oldid=88728 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+632) 10 > 1633988330 804495 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88734&oldid=88733 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+839) 10 < 1633988620 612739 :src!~src@user/src PART #esolangs :Leaving > 1633989347 61739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88735&oldid=88734 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+40) 10 > 1633989413 227998 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07DotSF14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88736&oldid=88731 5* 03ArthroStar11 5* (-140) 10updated link to interpreter < 1633989465 28875 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you know when they used to call 640x480 resolution VTA, and 1280x720 HD and 1920x1080 "full HD"? apparently whoever invents these abbreviations can't stop, and now the resolution list of an online store has these preposterous names: "1600x1200 (UXGA), 1920x1200 (WUXGA), 2560x1080 (UW-UXGA), 2560x1440 (WQHD), 2560x1600 (WQXGA), 3440x1440 (UW-QHD), 3840x1600 (WQHD+), 3840x2160 (4K UHD), 5120x1400 (DQHD), < 1633989471 36709 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :5120x2160 (WUHD)" < 1633989581 261318 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's like the animal group lists < 1633989582 911380 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like wut but wuhd? < 1633989692 296515 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633989695 482438 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Quit: gone too far < 1633989713 61845 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :people are stupid, they don't understand numbers, but if we put rare letters like Q and X in the name then they'll know it's a good monitor > 1633989768 712008 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:ArthroStar1114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88737&oldid=88488 5* 03ArthroStar11 5* (+316) 10Updated link to DotSF and provided description of my current project < 1633989801 888361 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a small wonder there's no seven or eight letter one yet, to get the bonus 50 score besides the triple word Q < 1633989928 216992 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :although I guess you could get the 50 if you like already have UXGA on the boadr and add a W at the beginning. but then how will you get a triple Q? < 1633989945 88142 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, maybe if you put the Q between a W and XGA, if XGA is already a resolution < 1633989968 848743 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, XGA exists < 1633990036 666565 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so put W and XGA with one gap on the top row, with the top middle triple word score square in between, and add a long word starting with Q downwards in between. is there a letter that goes before U and after W so the W isn't alone? < 1633990112 654872 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people mainly use words "full hd" and "4k" and that's it < 1633990131 939894 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course Intel manuals have invented quadruple quadwords (that's 32 bytes), in case you want more "q"s < 1633990134 931333 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :not that they know how much is that > 1633990185 566777 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88738&oldid=88735 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+1522) 10 > 1633990205 526999 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88739&oldid=88738 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+1) 10/* search stuff */ < 1633990251 743463 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought 2560x1440 was just QHD, not WQHD. < 1633990258 403190 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because HD is implicitly W. < 1633990263 13440 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :they could call them like iphones: 6, 7, 8, X > 1633990268 55529 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88740&oldid=88739 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+3158) 10i pormise ill fix it < 1633990284 411419 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: there's probably more than one list with different abbreviations < 1633990316 17268 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is what one online store gives, it may or may not be the shop where I'll buy my monitor < 1633990321 760909 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :haven't ordered yet but will have to do so soon < 1633990324 984273 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because this monitor will die < 1633990326 272498 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought Q is the same as 4k, because it means four -- when I started seeing that people don't use these words in the same way I just stopped caring < 1633990343 367570 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what? no, Q means 10 points base < 1633990350 316020 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what? < 1633990362 889954 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's the letter that's worth the highest score, 10 points < 1633990366 69901 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :without modifiers < 1633990386 680752 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In those names, Q means twice the width and height (so four times the pixels) of . < 1633990406 56987 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Z is also worth 10 points but is apparently not in any resolution < 1633990413 795954 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :... yet < 1633990458 381449 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but then why WQHD not QHD < 1633990476 544280 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :dunno, that's just what this list gave, unless I made a typo < 1633990476 810516 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that's just from a bit of ambiguity. < 1633990491 623188 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1633990492 938660 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because W = 16:9, and it's true that HD and QHD are both W. It's just a silent W. < 1633990539 227967 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I entirely agree the names are ridiculous though. And I don't quite see what makes QWXGA different from WQXGA with that logic, but different they are. < 1633990586 424564 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: if W means 16:9 then why is 1920x1200 "WUXGA"? < 1633990624 346079 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. I guess maybe W then just means > 4:3? < 1633990624 847940 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1633990628 286095 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, every time when someone asks me what's my resolution and I answer: 2560x1440... they want to interrupt me and say "wtf dude just say some letter I don't get it" < 1633990665 722105 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :because they wanna hear "full hd" or "4k" and won't understand the WQHD anyway though < 1633990688 995908 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :WQSXGA (Wide Quad Super Extended Graphics Array) is what you use to play Super Street Fighter II Turbo on. < 1633990764 749500 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :when will we finally stop care? I almost not see pixels anymore < 1633990767 365604 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1633990847 227503 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would still be important to know exactly to chose the proper resolution in game that would divide and not get blurry but people mostly don't care anyway < 1633990877 766642 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well it's likely that my new monitor will be 2560x1400 resolution, because they're more available than 1920x1200 resolution right now, and I don't want to downgrade to 1080 vertical resolution anymore < 1633990889 574482 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm so used to the 1200 vertical resolution of the current monitor < 1633990911 900007 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also today videocard drivers are also doing some stuff for scaling, blurring, sharpening... < 1633990929 11035 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I used to use a 1080 pixel tall one but that was many years ago < 1633990945 293813 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I went from 1920x1200 to 2560x1440 too. < 1633990962 272688 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I might need to make a new font then, the 20 pixel tall will be too tiny for it < 1633990978 339655 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess 2560x1600 isn't really a thing. < 1633991006 626092 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I need a 24 pixel tall one I guess < 1633991062 303186 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you need pixel font? < 1633991084 609939 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :technically no, but bitmap font is easier for me to draw < 1633991087 889194 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? font < 1633991090 804948 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ < 1633991091 152684 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ that's my current one < 1633991098 369147 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's also missing too many useful characters < 1633991146 833604 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :omg guys you have own fonts < 1633991157 412456 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the geekiest thing I've seen in last months < 1633991206 39550 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :My font isn't *really* meant for general use, I just drew it for rfk86 and then people were sharing their bitmap fonts around so I thought I'd mention mine. < 1633991229 551431 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :back in 2007 I wanted to make some font, compact like in OpenTTD, to draw plots and stuff < 1633991255 414064 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1633991259 5460 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I forget how to sed a factoid, but that URL could be updated to https://firefly.nu/up/fonts/ < 1633991278 531719 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :although it seems a bit broken rn anyway... I should fix that < 1633991283 128844 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :not tonight though < 1633991289 297672 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I forget all those commands too. Is it slwd? Maybe. < 1633991291 379164 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? slwd < 1633991293 45034 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​`slwd // < 1633991299 269184 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1633991325 100063 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`slwd font//s|http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/|https://firefly.nu/up/fonts/| < 1633991327 940748 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :font//#esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts https://firefly.nu/up/fonts/ < 1633991339 653949 :FireFly!firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :kiitos < 1633991368 267542 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there was some program on Spectrum that allowed to type text narrower than 1 cell < 1633991392 447427 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :like something for printing books < 1633991497 867158 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: yeah, it started with both oren and ligthrasiir sharing these fonts with like HUGE character coverage, even if you don't count all the hangul syllables, but they're all 16 px tall which is too small for me < 1633991532 142900 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I made one for me a long time ago, but didn't add enough characters, so it's missing some important math ones plus even the most basic cyrillic ones < 1633991605 833168 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :admittedly lifthrasiir's has this subpixel thing where each pixel may be half-filled < 1633991616 304195 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or something of that sort, I don't quite understand < 1633991658 426911 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :while oren's ha like thousands of kanji < 1633991710 3839 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean I understand how you go there, you want to add just the kana and two hundred of the most basic kanji, but then get carried away and can't stop < 1633991716 561584 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but still it's impressive < 1633991787 533399 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :just shy of 2000 kanji apparently < 1633991814 876487 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I don't really like its grahpics style, even aside from being only 16 px tall < 1633991877 180016 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :are we able to judge hieroglyphs? < 1633992015 760782 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :btw, I remember my IRC client supports font per channel; so I've configured Quakenet to use Quake font < 1633992064 183197 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :didn't visit it for a while though < 1633992240 284413 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I used to have the Descent font in DOS. Hmm, I wonder how those DOS font things worked, actually. I guess you twiddle some VGA registers to point at some modifiable video memory where you've put the bitmaps... I just remember they were always distributed as .com files. < 1633992320 853060 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I do have a custom one written in assembly if that helps < 1633992333 251811 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :with assembly source code < 1633992363 881593 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think I'm *that* curious. < 1633992459 9753 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :on Linux console you just call an ioctl and the kernel handles the details for you; I have the magic incantations for X11 too < 1633993356 271478 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1633995327 318151 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :does swap on linux need fast disk? < 1633995389 263853 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean is it used for the least accessed memory or just any kind? < 1633995574 687266 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's definitely *supposed* to be used for the things needed the least, I don't know how close to the ideal it gets on that. < 1633995582 299721 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :A healthy system doesn't swap under normal circumstances. > 1633996542 276891 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88741&oldid=88740 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+167) 10 > 1633996593 984275 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88742&oldid=88741 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+0) 10 < 1633997243 342257 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1633998175 630158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1633998333 157052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :^echo rev < 1633998333 231780 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :rev rev < 1633998336 289248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops < 1633998345 920194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :^show rev < 1633998345 952344 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :>,[>,]<[.<] < 1633998453 123802 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and even the least accessed memory might be accessed too much if you have too little RAM < 1633998462 835590 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's only so much that swap can help < 1633998598 42591 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you have different speeds of disk, I certainly recommend putting swap on the fastest one, so an SSD on M2 port if available < 1633998643 360296 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(in my spiffy new machine it's on an SSD on M2 port, but I also have enough RAM that the swap is almost never used < 1633998653 672505 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :) < 1633998712 267820 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I should get back to that round integer puzzle, because I should be able to fill any amount of RAM trying to compute that < 1633998900 910086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm a spam purporting to be from a company i actually _do_ pay bills to. fiendish. < 1633998944 357799 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel JOIN #esolangs earendel :AmoreFS < 1633998953 401966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but since the real mails about those bills actually come via the bank, fruitless). < 1633999095 75958 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: well sure, I get spam in the name of more banks and telephone/internet providers than I've ever been in real contact with, < 1633999116 415752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep. this time it was a telephone provider < 1633999118 658439 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :plus also in the name of ebay and paypal and I think even the tax agency < 1633999139 698163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh and it was in norwegian so i was actually fooled for a few seconds. < 1633999153 504911 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not hard to guess in a way that some of the spam match my actual contacts < 1633999231 969122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :true. but i guess nvg's spam filter catches most of them for me. < 1633999246 602021 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though the largest amount that I get right now are the ones that try to claim that my email server will stop delivering emails to my inbox if I don't confirm my personal details, and/or they have already stopped delivering but I can get the emails that are on hold if I confirm my personal details, and/or the password is going to expire or I'm over the quota or whatever < 1633999257 168841 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I have a large variety of these in different formats, which is funny < 1633999275 393664 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they're all "last warning" and "you have a day", for months now < 1633999283 342659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh i get those. but since my actual email provider is a small computer club, those don't have a chance of fooling me. < 1633999337 124133 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you would think sending so many last warnings about the same thing is pointless < 1633999347 395271 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean who's going to pay attention to the tenth one? < 1633999354 208700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :well i suppose some of them try to claim to be from the club, but usually in english. < 1633999382 999080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: standard "it's not meant to catch smart people" reply < 1633999392 640638 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1633999444 662829 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the real target for these kinds of spam is my grandmother, not me < 1633999474 659112 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(not the ones sent to my email address with my name, obviously) < 1633999509 97795 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(they think I'm a time-traveler and my own grandmother) < 1633999664 249671 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, "sudo mount -a" says "mount point does not exist." so I mkdir it, then I run it and then lsblk does not show the device is being mounted < 1633999670 682219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :are you _sure_ you're not? strange things happen to people's gender is this channel. < 1633999681 238285 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and findmnt does not show the dir to be a mounted disk too < 1633999793 177346 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :velik what's your gender? < 1633999807 553566 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : I now sat your plan < 1633999822 44132 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :velik don't sit my plan pls < 1633999835 316165 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : yep, the christmas was some, when with nmero takes back < 1633999864 968501 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also umount confirms that it's not mounted < 1634000002 595285 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: I'm not sure, but I very much hope that I'm not my grandmother. that would suck. < 1634000073 246021 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: also I'm now old enough that I have photos of her in my age, including wedding photos < 1634000093 973392 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :how is this even possible https://dpaste.org/9zEr/slim < 1634000104 340664 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I know that's not a very strong proof, the photos need not depict what they claim to < 1634000280 698692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i guess strange things would have to happen to your age too. < 1634000632 681964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :lots to skip in the logs today < 1634001542 385393 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :`smlist 532 < 1634001543 348671 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :smlist 532: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy Cale > 1634001697 976993 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TEPCS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88743&oldid=58356 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+815) 10Reformulated the list of commands, formatted code portions as source code, and inserted a missing exclamation mark in the example program 99 bottles of beer. > 1634001839 870693 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TEPCS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88744&oldid=88743 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+35) 10Formatted some inputs (arguments), hitherto erroneously lapsed, in italic. > 1634001927 812750 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TEPCS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88745&oldid=88744 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+25) 10Tagged this page with the category Output only. > 1634002151 200920 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck self-interpreter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88746&oldid=73130 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+8) 10Turn empty page into redirect < 1634002446 306001 :brettgilio!~brettgili@x-node.gq QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1634002476 51419 :brettgilio!~brettgili@x-node.gq JOIN #esolangs brettgilio :Brett Gilio < 1634003831 278638 :immibis_!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1634004707 795731 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so for some reason it's impossible to mount anything to a path that was used previously for a swap disk < 1634004714 370875 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I mounted it as swap2 ..D < 1634005082 769080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( maybe there's still something swapped out to it ) < 1634006003 953322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmph i have defined a table that isn't on OEIS, but it has it if i only use the columns at power of 2 positions https://oeis.org/A098539 > 1634006071 489951 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88747&oldid=88682 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+105) 10 > 1634006090 171552 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88748&oldid=88747 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-2) 10/* External Links */ < 1634006110 772065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(column 3 in my table starts 1,6,42,406,5866,133910,5034218,321429270,35668066538,7000281120534 and there's only one (irrelevant) OEIS hit that contains 406 and 5866) > 1634006116 437901 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Astridec14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88749&oldid=88748 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+3) 10/* External Links */ > 1634006181 375622 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Starstuff14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88750&oldid=88537 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+105) 10/* Decimal Compiler */ > 1634006233 552589 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PixelatedStarfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88751&oldid=88596 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+3) 10 < 1634006289 753465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :except A098539 also contains an extra column that would be 1/2 in my table :P < 1634006309 787835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :well it's square doesn't, by definition. < 1634006311 984353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*its < 1634006414 808098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh hm maybe there is a way to see the connection < 1634006494 942038 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :You mount swap disks to a path? Never heard of anything like that. < 1634006716 632371 :immibis!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 JOIN #esolangs immibis :realname < 1634006719 172890 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan it was after swapoff and all zeroes in free and empty proc < 1634006818 231552 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie I mount a disk like a usual disk to then define swapfile in it or use in any another way < 1634006840 455810 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, well. I guess you can do that. < 1634006887 504546 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just sounds odd to insert a useless filesystem abstraction in the way if you don't have anything else in that filesystem except a swap file. < 1634006899 946246 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe < 1634006912 460894 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I came up to this historically < 1634006949 520644 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe I'll use the disk for anything else at the same time in future < 1634007056 962959 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Swap devices are supposedly more performant than swap files. No idea if that *actually* matters in practice though. < 1634007059 401051 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Files are definitely more flexible, I just wasn't expecting the disk then need to be mounted for swap purposes because if it has other uses, it'd have already been mounted for that. < 1634007122 763460 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://serverfault.com/q/25653/67097 > 1634007338 779771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88752&oldid=88742 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+26) 10 < 1634007575 650573 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I used to always set up an LVM thing because "maybe I'll need to reshuffle the way the disk is partitioned or create snapshots or something, and then it'll be convenient", and then I never ever did any of those things. < 1634007593 884660 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe there is something more to run to really-really disable swap to make the path mountable again < 1634007603 592772 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but guys on #linux didn't know, so I just used another path < 1634007693 815278 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I remember the time when I had about 10 partitions on Windows, and they were all different, the stuff was compilcated < 1634007727 666888 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :there were so many details and combinations that limit you in the way of size and numbers of volumes/partitions < 1634007769 940248 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and today I just have disk C for one drive and D for a another one < 1634008162 718607 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-230-207.bredband.tele2.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1634008317 456134 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc < 1634008580 25232 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-230-207.bredband.tele2.se JOIN #esolangs olsner :Got ZNC? > 1634010490 974948 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Ferrisfox 5* 10New user account > 1634011423 977427 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88753&oldid=88709 5* 03Ferrisfox 5* (+252) 10 < 1634014181 269563 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-230-207.bredband.tele2.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1634014352 496788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-230-207.bredband.tele2.se JOIN #esolangs olsner :Got ZNC? > 1634014441 293622 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tarski14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88754&oldid=80437 5* 03Ferrisfox 5* (+141) 10Added a Quine and Truth Machine to examples < 1634015271 505223 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1634015674 578695 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[079f87m4atttaaaou;14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88755&oldid=87370 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+95) 10 > 1634015718 266381 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[079f87m4atttaaaou;14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88756&oldid=88755 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (-5) 10 < 1634016571 365324 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel JOIN #esolangs earendel :AmoreFS < 1634018631 270293 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-230-207.bredband.tele2.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1634018729 955673 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-230-207.bredband.tele2.se JOIN #esolangs olsner :Got ZNC? < 1634020478 997655 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer QUIT :*.net *.split < 1634020479 71245 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1634020479 71304 :dermato!~dermatobr@cpe-70-114-219-76.austin.res.rr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1634020479 71315 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :*.net *.split < 1634020479 103452 :aarchi!sid486183@uxbridge.irccloud.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1634020479 165161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot QUIT :*.net *.split < 1634020479 284789 :benji!~benji@user/benji QUIT :*.net *.split < 1634020479 353680 :jix!~jix@user/jix QUIT :*.net *.split < 1634020479 439157 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1634020715 402164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later > 1634020924 441001 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sink 5* 10New user account < 1634021779 46908 :dyeplexer!~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer JOIN #esolangs dyeplexer :t b k ky jt h bc < 1634021779 46970 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1634021779 119300 :dermato!~dermatobr@cpe-70-114-219-76.austin.res.rr.com JOIN #esolangs dermato :dermato < 1634021779 119351 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1634021779 119379 :aarchi!sid486183@uxbridge.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs aarchi :aarchi < 1634021779 119424 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN #esolangs lambdabot :Lambda_Robots:_100%_Loyal < 1634021779 119450 :benji!~benji@user/benji JOIN #esolangs benji :benji < 1634021779 119467 :jix!~jix@user/jix JOIN #esolangs jix :Jannis Harder < 1634021779 119493 :slavfox!~slavfox@ipv4-93-158-232-111.net.internetunion.pl JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1634021925 596218 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1634021966 299596 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1634021994 589201 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88757&oldid=88753 5* 03Sink 5* (+155) 10 > 1634022002 76779 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hell.js14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88758&oldid=88718 5* 03Sink 5* (+667) 10added samples, etc > 1634022059 948719 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hell.js14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88759&oldid=88758 5* 03Sink 5* (+0) 10i am not clever > 1634023411 154026 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hell.js14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88760&oldid=88759 5* 03Sink 5* (-116) 10 < 1634024354 282662 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-97RhAZhXI game of life but kind of a fluid? < 1634024628 331129 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I prefer swap partitions. Why make the kernel developers' job more difficult where they have to implement file system drivers in a way that they can be called from any weird context where you'd swap something? And why risk your undefined behavior on them doing that correctly? Swap partitions are better. The only reason not to use them is if you have something like Windows that doesn't support them. < 1634025806 260281 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1634025958 861680 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1634026023 632077 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1634026095 628547 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1634029815 904210 :oliv79!~oliv@2603-8001-4500-15cd-5cb4-2035-281a-d7a4.res6.spectrum.com JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] oliv < 1634029818 766052 :oliv79!~oliv@2603-8001-4500-15cd-5cb4-2035-281a-d7a4.res6.spectrum.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :uwu < 1634029841 355325 :oliv79!~oliv@2603-8001-4500-15cd-5cb4-2035-281a-d7a4.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Client Quit > 1634030303 786290 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TEPCS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88761&oldid=88745 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+193) 10Supplemented a description of the second input in a loop command. < 1634030317 856591 :hendursa1!~weechat@user/hendursaga QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1634030323 625009 :hendursaga!~weechat@user/hendursaga JOIN #esolangs hendursaga :weechat < 1634032105 362995 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1634032212 335298 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :Maeve Sproule < 1634034471 516982 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1634035618 223906 :Destov!~Destov@114-36-112-91.dynamic-ip.hinet.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Destov < 1634035679 513540 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1634036028 984436 :Destov!~Destov@114-36-112-91.dynamic-ip.hinet.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1634036047 907785 :Destov!~Destov@114-36-112-91.dynamic-ip.hinet.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Destov < 1634036056 506126 :Destov!~Destov@114-36-112-91.dynamic-ip.hinet.net QUIT :Client Quit > 1634038140 824954 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hell.js14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88762&oldid=88760 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-7) 10/* Sample Programs */ remove extra line < 1634038539 320229 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1634040156 353810 :Koen_!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1634040286 480353 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1634040589 809054 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1634041163 194108 :sprout!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:c9db:6eeb:465b:b3e9 JOIN #esolangs * :anon < 1634041206 272785 :sprout_!~quassel@2a02:a467:ccd6:1:80b9:65ea:c7e9:72cd QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1634041408 60719 :Koen_!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving... > 1634045334 115126 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88763&oldid=88752 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (-532) 10 < 1634045908 369873 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 3.3 < 1634046075 597150 :dutch!~DutchIngr@user/dutch JOIN #esolangs DutchIngraham :dutch < 1634047677 319281 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv < 1634047903 338429 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1634049475 338884 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel JOIN #esolangs earendel :AmoreFS < 1634050071 982785 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__ > 1634050507 215737 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Senpai14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88764&oldid=88604 5* 034gboframram 5* (+52) 10/* External Resources */ < 1634052437 28100 :Thelie!~Thelie@business-24-134-17-157.pool2.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1634052455 358630 :archenoth!~archenoth@2604:3d09:681:f00:d981:e67:a14e:69db JOIN #esolangs Archenoth :archenoth < 1634052519 548639 :archenoth!~archenoth@2604:3d09:681:f00:d981:e67:a14e:69db QUIT :Client Quit < 1634052548 322229 :archenoth!~archenoth@2604:3d09:681:f00:d981:e67:a14e:69db JOIN #esolangs Archenoth :archenoth < 1634053940 817976 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv cool! it now need some materia/energy preservation < 1634054230 60938 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyone familiar with configuring the rrdtool? > 1634054591 965978 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Trivial brainfuck substitution14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88765&oldid=87925 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+192) 10Added !!Fuck to the list of examples. < 1634054917 751051 :imode!~imode@user/imode NICK :m0th < 1634054924 439468 :m0th!~imode@user/imode NICK :moth < 1634054934 686441 :moth!~imode@user/imode NICK :wormking < 1634054944 989499 :wormking!~imode@user/imode NICK :imode < 1634056294 406119 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1634056690 361011 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.202.194 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1634056771 949667 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him < 1634057270 44107 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does Unicode have a (non-breaking, ideally) space with matched width for box drawing? < 1634057719 865940 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :does unicode define width? < 1634057781 605133 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :you mean like   but same size as space(bar) < 1634057785 607448 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :? < 1634057846 635937 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: U+2588 FULL BLOCK + extra-Unicode mechanisms to invert colors? ;) < 1634057893 132223 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :eww < 1634057904 90357 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :eryes, like that < 1634057921 23853 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've seen many many broken line-drawing pictures I feel like there can't be a dedicated space of the right size. < 1634057924 635734 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :earendel: yes, like that < 1634057953 426555 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :IMHO the width is a responsibility of a font < 1634057980 375485 :Koen!~Koen@61.192.201.77.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1634057986 722220 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode   < 1634057988 752917 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+2007 FIGURE SPACE] < 1634057998 751813 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I suspect that one is probably too narrow in practice) < 1634058017 186640 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Because it's specified as the same width as *digits* in fonts where digits have fixed width) < 1634058023 925325 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, "space equal to tabular width of a font", "this is equivalent to the digit width of fonts with fixed-width digits". < 1634058048 431100 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space JOIN #esolangs SoniEx2 :Genders: ♾️, 🟪⬜🟩 Soni L. < 1634058074 960503 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So that leaves the usual em-wide space stuff but the width of the box drawing characters seems to be completely unspecified so that doesn't help either < 1634058272 179674 :zegalch!~zegalch@178.128.75.133 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1634058294 644809 :zegalch!~zegalch@178.128.75.133 JOIN #esolangs zegalch :The Lounge User < 1634058319 170303 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, there's a very nice alignment test at the bottom of https://www.w3.org/2001/06/utf-8-test/UTF-8-demo.html :) < 1634058358 829226 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It's just using the regular space, so it breaks in many browser/font combinations, apparently.) < 1634058382 651668 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1634058538 67408 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :seems to be one pixel off https://i.imgur.com/EoQJWMa.png < 1634058611 816745 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah but that's supposed to use a fixed width font (default for
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< 1634058646 894173 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fine in safari too but all broken in firefox https://i.imgur.com/nOiSCEg.png
< 1634058647 800591 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's mostly fine here except there are 1px gaps between lines which look ugly.
< 1634058658 292786 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but at least it's all properly aligned
< 1634058781 150899 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(hmm there is a bit of jumping around at different scales)
< 1634058808 267691 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the gaps are probably just hinting artefacts
< 1634058899 12736 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and perfectly aligned in Sublime Text https://i.imgur.com/ueI6S5g.png where ir's probably Andale Mono
< 1634058899 702533 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, turns out "fixed width" isn't always so fixed. :)
< 1634058962 869011 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and with Menlo in Terminal
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> 1634060974 484280 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88766&oldid=88763 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+45) 10/* search stuff */
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< 1634061868 60826 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Sure, but at least /in theory/ any of the half-width spaces should align with the box drawing then
< 1634061895 316842 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :while for proportional fonts all bets are off
< 1634061939 291153 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I love how "full width" is twice the usual character size)
< 1634061961 204171 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] foxsouns
< 1634062049 686441 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: ive updated the readme and comments to be more informative, and reformatted to account for the stupid broken replit thing
< 1634062099 860103 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :foxsouns you are still with no good machine?
< 1634062124 177424 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah. i wish i had a real one >:(
< 1634062139 146831 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but whatever ill make do till then
< 1634062140 484664 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, who has ever seen a full height 5 1/4" device :) (I've seen *one*... it was a 70MB HDD)
< 1634062169 410711 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you might be able to run dos on that
< 1634062178 802870 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It broke
< 1634062182 761708 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :rip
< 1634062239 444329 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But when it was alive it had MS DOS and maybe Windows 3.0? Maybe that was later...
< 1634062243 88239 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've seen one, but I don't think I've ever "had" one.
< 1634062251 142295 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the HDD we had around that era was a half-height drive with 40MB of storage.
< 1634062267 445637 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :When it broke it did that in a most ridiculous way too.
< 1634062270 760931 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :smallest "drive" ive ever had is a 1gb standard size sd card
< 1634062279 245370 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Still too big for one partition though. Had to split it to 32MB C: and an 8MB D: partitions.
< 1634062305 342125 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :One of the (MFM) address lines broke so it had tons of aliased sectors.
< 1634062314 591756 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :smallest hdd ive dealt with was a 30gb in a 2001 laptop
< 1634062326 148613 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :To great effect on "disk repair" tools.
< 1634062387 970385 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :They just don't make hardware that way anymore ;)_
< 1634062390 618936 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, DoubleSpace.
< 1634062410 788502 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I stayed away from DoubleSpace.
< 1634062422 820186 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I do remember the concept.
< 1634062433 719902 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't know you're not supposed to compress your Windows 3.1 system partition, so I went ahead and did it on the C: drive, and it just broke.
< 1634062460 440426 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Windows only got as far as the start-up logo, then a chunk got eaten out of it and it just hung.
< 1634062464 700851 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dang
< 1634062475 5823 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :you wasn't supposed to compress it using a high pressure air chamber
< 1634062485 729466 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have used compressed file systems... because of Knoppix :P
< 1634062513 389341 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :im spoiled, oldest os ive used was 2000
< 1634062516 569837 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and I guess initrd, technically)
< 1634062543 444497 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and i think puppy at one point
< 1634062565 93641 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :let's be realistic: s/spoiled/young/
< 1634062590 87422 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically
< 1634062604 297897 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(old systems did have their own charm btw... you could understand them)
< 1634062612 916158 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :haha yeah
< 1634062631 607057 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hate the ambiguity of modern windows
< 1634062705 414055 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nowadays you have to look at some really small embedded device (about the size of an arduino) to get that same feeling.
< 1634062710 377424 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if i had a proper system for it id probably run gentoo, but ive been stuck up till now without a system, and when i did have one it only had 4gb ram and a 1.6ghz proscessor
< 1634062711 747983 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I invented a encoding that the width is defined (as well as simple to calculate), so hopefully that is better for a purpose where you need to render fix pitch text into a grid display. Not all of the characters are defined, but once they are that only requires providing a font; width calculation and terminal emulators and other programs do not need to change (except ones that convert encodings).
< 1634062730 211919 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: pi0, maybe
< 1634062738 739970 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, maybe
< 1634062757 1894 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the pico, but thats not really a computer
< 1634062762 495583 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :just some 12 years ago I used hard drive that sounded differently on different volumes so when I was in another room trying to sleep and I heard a HDD noise I could realise 'that's gonna be ICQ message' before the notification sound plays
< 1634062763 665001 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, not a modern one
< 1634062771 895339 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :haha
< 1634062772 919632 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It will not be suitable for other purposes, but I think that is acceptable since no character encoding will ever be suitable for all uses.
< 1634062820 252003 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically I heard every activity and knew when computer is doing something that it's not supposed to, so no background crap could waste my resources or hide itself
< 1634062851 40065 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :A code page number can be assigned, and a escape code to select by code page numbers if you need to change the selection
< 1634062856 254421 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I don't know, I've been fiddling on an ESP32 microcontroller lately, it's running FreeRTOS and this chunky Espressif SDK with a wifi stack, I don't really have a feeling of understanding it. ;)
< 1634062879 403376 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: not small enough :)
< 1634062896 381966 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I think it's just that I wanted it to do wifi.
< 1634062945 263907 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should patent a retrodevice
< 1634062997 762485 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :a thingy with a speaker that you attach to USB and it starts intercepting SSD operations and emulate the HDD sound
< 1634063004 381911 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(But if you want to display box drawing in a terminal emulator, the VT100 codes for box drawing can be used if they are suitable)
< 1634063011 507417 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i kinda want a built-for-linux laptop, support the community and shit
< 1634063029 789291 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: haha yeah id buy that
< 1634063032 809158 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I had used disk compression on DOS before but only because the computer came with that feature already enabled
< 1634063122 247008 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wish linux for arm would come along quicker :<
< 1634063183 327001 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: Can you also have it monitor the wifi/ethernet interfaces and make the modem sounds at appropriate times? 
< 1634063195 823597 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe
< 1634063207 290599 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :also it can be a software probably, not need of USB plug
< 1634063260 609571 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It depend how well the software in the computer can be trusted to not change is one thing
< 1634063262 809095 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie it can be a browser extension probably
< 1634063285 347388 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: linux kernel module :)
< 1634063307 950959 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The browser will not be the only program which accesses the internet
< 1634063330 807331 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Linux kernel module could work, yes, although it will then use up memory and CPU time
< 1634063365 263765 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I dislike USB though, I think USB is a bad idea
< 1634063372 298732 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it can be a service with plugins sending the signals from any kind of programs
< 1634063388 213510 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(although maybe it could have be better designed)
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< 1634063404 32409 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :please dont make it systemd only
< 1634063414 900047 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1634063457 956834 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't like systemd either, but a lot of people don't like systemd, it is full of many problems. If I would upgrade my system it would have to be to one without systemd.
< 1634063466 514585 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :"USB is a bad idea" -- but it makes a content for kickstarter video
< 1634063475 78626 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :people love physical stuff
< 1634063492 156897 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: devuan and artixlinux
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< 1634063615 309911 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_distributions_without_systemd
< 1634063652 661897 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, I mean USB is badly designed, I don't mean physical hardware cannot be used. For one thing, it doesn't identify by which port it is connected to, another is needing identification by vendor codes (protocol identification would be better, although it does that too), and many other design problems. USB can be OK for providing power for some kinds of devices, though
< 1634063664 54642 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :foxsouns: OK thank you I will look
< 1634063705 85532 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :devuan and artix are debian and arch w/ other init options, and are the main two i think of, and that page has others
< 1634063789 729253 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you mean "by which port"? pretty sure I found which port I connect the speaker to just few weeks ago
< 1634063825 45829 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :usb isnt consistent across systems, and sometimes across poweroffs
< 1634063851 943156 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least on Windows there is some .cpl that showed me the name of the device or something, that it's connected to "USB #5"
< 1634063930 901115 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then thats the 5th usb that got to the kernel, whether or not thats consistent is up to the operating system
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< 1634064147 239096 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't even get stable sda/sdb anymore (both are builtin devices)
< 1634064152 29773 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i would say a service (openrc and runit are the most popular non-systemd ones) or a kernel module would be the easiest way to do so software-wise, and on linux
< 1634064180 565170 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have no idea how to do so on windows though
< 1634064189 447263 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :software wise
< 1634065147 547523 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also dislike GTK. Is there alternatives of GTK which implement the same API so that the dynamic linking can be changed and then it will work?
< 1634065229 593177 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :whats the one kde uses
< 1634066012 350736 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know
< 1634066250 657630 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, it came back to me
< 1634066256 855201 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: its qt
< 1634066337 793604 :foxsouns!~foxsouns@168.212.100.23 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but i dont know if it has the same api, probably not
> 1634066464 976710 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03TheXappy 5*  10New user account
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< 1634066794 183254 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I saw a 100 MB HDD that is as wide as normal hard disks or CD drives (5.25 inch) but thicker, yes, it used to be in our computer when I was a small child
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< 1634066965 917663 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I'm still looking to buy a monitor, and the selection in large monitors is underwhelming
< 1634067210 956816 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It still seems like I'll be buying one with 2560x1440 px resolution, so I will have to make a 24 px tall font (named fecupboard24 obviously)
< 1634067774 452198 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The "standard" height of a CD-ROM drive bay is called "half-height", which I think int-e was referring to.
< 1634067789 45625 :cd!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION spins
< 1634067886 854139 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Full-height bays were found in old PCs in the early to mid-1980s. They were 3+1⁄4 inches (82.6 mm) high -- Half-height drive bays are 1+5⁄8 inches (41.3 mm) high --“
< 1634068014 126590 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's also a little confusing how they're called "5.25" bays" when they're actually 5.75" wide, but of course the bay needs to be a little bit wider than the 5.25" floppy that goes into it.
< 1634068049 266232 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: in that case I only saw a hard disk that is as thick as a CD drive, not a full height one
< 1634068163 83421 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :velik do you like USB?
< 1634068177 510019 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : you doin etc.
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< 1634070236 949669 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oracle cloud is different from google and yandex in many ways; the minimal disk size is 50 gb even for the boot one and you don't choose between hdd, ssd, etc. but precisely select the performance stats
< 1634070483 129095 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think Xaw is mostly OK, although it isn't used so much in modern programs and is only on X. Programs using SDL might have their own widget implementations, which is what I did (and also a independent implementation of X resource manager).
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< 1634082958 908303 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I love Apple Script
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< 1634082972 901257 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :just look at this: " tell application "Terminal" to get the history of every tab of every window"
> 1634083113 315332 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[079f87m4atttaaaou;14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88774&oldid=88769 5* 03CosmicMan08 5* (+515) 10Added computational class
< 1634083339 226863 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is the closest thing to human language I've seen
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< 1634083397 119869 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sounds like something a person from the Osmosian Order of Plain English Programmers would write.
< 1634083399 274577 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :used it in 2013 to adapt GUI testing suite to macOS
< 1634083408 217681 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder what their parser is for that.
< 1634083413 133428 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://osmosianplainenglishprogramming.blog/
< 1634083467 77590 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :I actually don't disagree with this.
< 1634083654 316270 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool
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< 1634083736 476000 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there no indentation or it's a bad formatting?
< 1634083749 683114 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :it should better have blocks
< 1634084086 421315 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I need a thing to control the Terminal in the similar way the Selenium controls a browser
< 1634084132 173938 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :to test apps with interactive dialogs no matter what they use to implement them like ncurses or anything else
< 1634084186 258554 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I want some interface that would allow to send keystrokes and to read the actual visual state of the window as a two-dimensional array of chars
< 1634084281 415561 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :pretty sure Apple Script makes it possible; also there is some "inspecting" feature in the Terminal application that probably has some interface (maybe the same it gives to the Apple Script, idk) but it's weird that I've never heard of making an analogue of Selenium for the terminal
< 1634084301 993566 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :and google tells nothing
< 1634085326 485139 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmmm what if there is some browser-based terminal
< 1634085334 788008 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, sounds a little like good old Expect, except with something that'd interpret control sequences and maintain a notion of the screen state.
< 1634085343 264542 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :that would hopefully be supported by my dialogs tool
< 1634085394 438649 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also heh, looks like someone has done that *in* Expect. https://opensource.apple.com/source/gccfast/gccfast-1622/expect/example/virterm.auto.html
< 1634085453 95259 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://wiki.tcl-lang.org/page/tkterm
< 1634085615 503428 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Context for the above: http://linux.math.tifr.res.in/manuals/html/expect-FAQ.html#q22
< 1634085935 950405 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure I understand this: "# 0) make sure Expect is linked into your Tk-based program (or vice versa)"
< 1634085966 939671 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Expect and Tcl and Tk are a lifestyle, not a tool. ;)
< 1634085988 433867 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Looks like a bunch of people have been making things like that though.
< 1634086076 284892 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :See also https://github.com/JulienPalard/vt100-emulator and a lot of JS spinoffs on top of tty.js code.
< 1634086167 113395 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also since you mentioned a browser-based terminal, https://chromium.googlesource.com/apps/libapps/+/HEAD/hterm is what we always use on ChromeOS systems for SSH-in-a-Chrome-tab.
< 1634086876 985324 :delta23!~delta23@user/delta23 JOIN #esolangs delta23 :delta23__
< 1634086889 146855 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie do I understand right that you embed it into a page https://github.com/chromium/hterm/blob/main/doc/embed.md and then open it in a browser and you'll have an interface that will behave as the one from where you've launched ... oh wait, if you open it in a browser then where are you?..
< 1634086915 933260 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :or it's not connected to the actual host OS?
< 1634087048 65166 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Most often we use it with nassh to provide a terminal to something running elsewhere. I think ChromeOS native terminal is also hterm-based, and then it's showing a pty from the host, but I've no idea how that exactly works.
< 1634087159 391571 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :sounds working, heh, that would such a crazy way to test an app
< 1634087234 314893 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose I've heard about hterm but didn't realise the applicability of it
< 1634087604 293228 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, that Embedding doc tells how to write via HS but not how to read
< 1634087768 411896 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, normally you'd read by implementing the callbacks. I imagine there must be an API to read from the buffer as well.
< 1634087845 582784 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's at least a `getRowsText` method on the hterm.Terminal, though that seems to be designed more for clipboard purposes.
< 1634088415 850409 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe that's it, I see it here https://chromium.googlesource.com/apps/libapps/+/HEAD/hterm/js/hterm_vt_tests.js
< 1634088455 30188 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also the hterm.Screen class that seems to represent a single screen independent of the scrollback buffer, but I can't see a way to get the Screen out of the Terminal without assuming it's the `screen_` property.
< 1634088551 469999 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I see https://github.com/chromium/hterm/blob/0264cd340ccc21f0321c3a2d70fccadbf0bc377f/js/hterm_terminal.js#L1951
< 1634088558 371080 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :the clipboard
< 1634088635 669791 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :but why not though
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> 1634089795 145371 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88778&oldid=88776 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+17) 10
> 1634091464 298654 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88779&oldid=88778 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+571) 10tc proof
> 1634091492 888717 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88780&oldid=88779 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+8) 10
> 1634092065 227815 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88781&oldid=88780 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+59) 10/* Computational class */
> 1634093129 995788 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Greg14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88782&oldid=88781 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+12) 10/* Computational class */
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< 1634093863 299952 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :woah
< 1634093891 879752 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :In 2019, Microsoft announced plans to rebuild the browser as Chromium-based[10][11] with Blink and V8 engines. Microsoft stopped releasing security patches for Edge Legacy from March 9, 2021, and released a security update on April 13, 2021, which replaced Edge Legacy with Chromium-based Edge.
< 1634093896 560909 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I totally missed it
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< 1634107558 428803 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What do you expect should be the suggested file name extension for Free Hero Mesh composite puzzle sets?
< 1634107676 656318 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :what are other extensions you already defined?
< 1634108038 125480 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The file with pictures/sounds is .xclass, the file with class definitions is .class, the file with levels (and the level index) is .level, the file with solutions and test cases is .solution. (However, a composite puzzle set combines all of these into one file, but a composite puzzle set cannot be edited unless you split it apart into separate files.)
< 1634108731 203234 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :.fhm
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< 1634113122 105517 :hanif!~hanif@gateway/tor-sasl/hanif QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1634113772 470331 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok so you launch the chromium with these two flags https://pptr.dev/#?product=Puppeteer&version=v3.1.0&show=api-working-with-chrome-extensions passing the Secure Shell extension
< 1634113811 31001 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then for some reason there is no chrome flag to enable an extension in incognito mode so you have to navigate to its page and click the checkbox
< 1634113813 391697 :user3456!~user3456@user/user3456 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1634113816 846555 :user3456_!user3456@user/user3456 NICK :user3456
< 1634113859 84378 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then you visit the actual page of the extension with #nakilon@localhost, then to accept the fingerprint you do: br.frames[1].at_css("input").type "yes\n"
< 1634113919 471349 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then I launched ruby, used the library to initiate the fancy menu like this: br.keyboard.type "prompt.select(\"Choose your destiny?\", %w(Scorpion Kano Jax))\n"
< 1634113984 231035 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :br.keyboard.type :down  -- to select the 2nd of 3 options, and then    br.evaluate("term_.getRowsText(0,48)").split("\n").last 3   # => ["  Scorpion", "‣ Kano", "  Jax"]
< 1634113997 1926 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :i.e. everything works _^^
< 1634114023 127150 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@2a03:5180:f:3::1:36bb JOIN #esolangs * :ptech
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< 1634114213 675934 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :then I'll wrap it in a gem and write some stupid header "Selenium for Terminal" in README.md so the empty google results will lead to it
< 1634114386 186571 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :just need to come up with some handy assertions to add them to testing frameworks Minitest that I use and RSpec that people use the most
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< 1634128045 579959 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :My real name
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> 1634132297 835296 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03CuboidRaptor 5*  10New user account
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> 1634132530 974083 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88783&oldid=88767 5* 03CuboidRaptor 5* (+210) 10introducing myself
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> 1634132892 374155 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PP14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88784 5* 03CuboidRaptor 5* (+272) 10Created page with "pP is an esolang created by [[User:CuboidRaptor|CuboidRaptor]] and is intended as a joke language that honestly barely even counts as a programming language.  In pP, the only..."
> 1634133103 557793 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:CuboidRaptor14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88785 5* 03CuboidRaptor 5* (+271) 10Created page with "Hello there, I'm CuboidRaptor, a youtuber and programmer that likes doing dumb weird things that are not useful at all. Check out my youtube channel [https://www.youtube.com/c..."
> 1634133309 870033 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UPE14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88786 5* 03CuboidRaptor 5* (+495) 10Created page with "UPE, or Unary Python Esolang, is a language/extension of python that just makes your life impossible, to use UPE, write your program in Python3, then replace every character i..."
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> 1634138450 95723 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88787&oldid=88719 5* 03CuboidRaptor 5* (+19) 10
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> 1634144413 422925 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PP14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88788&oldid=88784 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+80) 10fix title, cats
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> 1634186532 892723 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07On/Off14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88796 5* 03TheJonyMyster 5* (+480) 10i dont plan on making any more joke langs so plz dont delete this one im gonna get a lot of mileage out of it
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< 1634187145 895802 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you play any role playing system (whether it is D&D or GURPS or something else), do you consider historical things such as leper windows, and the old way they played dice (which is the same as they do now, except that there is a "main number"; if 7 then it is the same as the modern game, and also main number 7 gives the best chance of winning), and the mass/denominations of money, etc?
< 1634189704 708970 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you like Just Solve The File Format Problem wiki?
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< 1634203387 517505 :ccx_!~ccx@82.142.125.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Playing tabletop with history nerds could certainly be fun. When it comes to tabletops I've mostly enjoyed contemporary horror (Delta Green, Kult: Divinity Lost) and quite a few other systems that don't tie themselves to the stereotypical faux-historical fantasy.
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> 1634226126 986156 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PRNGP214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88801 5* 03CuboidRaptor 5* (+467) 10Created page with "PRNGP2, or Psuedo-Random Number Generator Python v2, is a PRNG based Python3 extension that is made to be painful. To write in PRNGP2, use input whole numbers seperated by ";"..."
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< 1634234639 743945 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`unidecode 🥺
< 1634234642 60351 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​[U+1F97A FACE WITH PLEADING EYES]
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< 1634240165 117912 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :why is there a word "OSINT" if there is already a word "Googling"?
< 1634240172 105967 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :new SEO buzzword?
< 1634240254 940035 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've heard it once from a guy here few months ago who was talking like fungot and now multiple times from local telegram sources
< 1634240255 194978 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :nakilon: lots of great instrumental stuff, too.... i got it. :)
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< 1634241416 115993 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-coders-worst-nightmare/answer/Mick-Stute
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< 1634244674 248304 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :ccx_: So far, I was one player who was knowing some of the historical things, the GM didn't but it nevertheless was helpful. I have rwitten the story recorded the game I was playing in case someone is interested in such thing (and also tried to write about it in All The Tropes wiki, but may have done some things wrong)
< 1634245792 532942 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just ordered my new monitor
< 1634245798 63265 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's rather expensive
< 1634245836 276777 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :my current monitor is 1920x1200 resolution with 25.5 inch diagonal display size, which was already a rare combination when I bought it and is nonexistent (new or used) right now, so 
< 1634245905 342906 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if I don't want to make the new monitor feel like a downgrade, I must by one that's a significant upgrade, at 2560x1440 px resolution and 27 inch diagonal display size.
< 1634245954 987111 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :add to that that I want one from a good brand so there's less chance that what I get isn't what they promise, and some other stupid exclusion criteria, and I had to end up with something pretty expensive
< 1634246379 719644 :ccx_!~ccx@82.142.125.46 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: It's fun when people can nerd out together. I guess for me it's that the heroic character archetypes and storylines don't do it for me, so I've been staying off systems that center around that.
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< 1634246744 891911 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, many thing is involved, including characters, storylines, tactics, strategies, being unexpected, etc.
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< 1634246787 375108 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I usually play as monstrous characters
< 1634246808 553864 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can read what I wrote if you want to do (and then see if there is any mistake in it, or if there is not enough footnotes, etc).
< 1634248348 876496 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you wanted to read, it is:  http://zzo38computer.org/gurpsgame/1.ui  (you can also download a Hamster archive of it, in case you will prefer to download and then read the local files)
< 1634248470 588479 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :In category theory, some categories may have some morphisms which will be the same when composed with endomorphisms on one or both sides. In the category of matrix multiplication, I think this would be a matrix with all elements being zero. In the category of skill defaulting in SciRPS, it can correspond to defaults with conditions that are impossible to meet.
< 1634248802 487944 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Kleisli category of IO monad can have unconditional termination of the program in which case this is applied only one way and not both ways. How would these things be called?
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< 1634357641 836570 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :How does the most finite damage of Magic: the Gathering changed if all state-based actions are suppressed? Will this increase or decrease?
< 1634357899 422258 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: hard to tell. maybe the order of magnitude doesn't change; maybe it increases because you can pull off some combo that creates a lot of tokens in your hand or library or graveyard and use those as fuel for something
< 1634358135 608035 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it might even decrease if the best combos become infinite because your opponent won't automatically lose the game after you do the combo
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< 1634358424 853816 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :although wait, wasn't it suspected that the best deck involves a busy beaver so large (by setting up some turing-complete computation with lots of fuel) that it goes to undecidable territory to tell how much damage it deals? 
< 1634358465 550857 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Those are the reasons I thought it might increase or decrease, and was therefore unsure
< 1634358466 482806 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Iirc that wasn't proven, but it was a reasonable conjecture based on not quite working decks
< 1634358962 228567 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :while we're there, has anyone figured out what the infinity rules of M:tG could actually mean if you tried to formalize them, and whether they're uncomputable and how much?
< 1634359151 559222 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because it sounds like you might get something that climbs the arithmetic hierarchy all the way up or something
< 1634359165 694707 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or maybe there's just no reasonable way to formalize them
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< 1634360760 487630 :Pyautogui!~Pyautogui@108-216-110-132.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Noob here: What is the smallest BF derivative, in instruction number?
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< 1634361423 738738 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Pyautogui: There is an automatic technique for making one-instruction and zero-instruction flavors of any language, including Brainfuck.
< 1634361441 278243 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :do tell!
< 1634361767 169502 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Take the programs of any language. Equip them with a partial order; f precedes g when f's text can be partially evaluated to produce g. Form a categorical logic in the standard way; the objects are equivalence classes of programs and the arrows are partial evaluations.
< 1634361814 465949 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The type theory corresponding to the category is a zero-instruction abstract machine. It might not have a confluent reduction; it could be non-deterministic.
< 1634362117 780248 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Intuitively, in many-instruction Brainfuck, there is a decoding of an instruction and then an action which is dependent on the decoded instruction. The zero-instruction category forgets that decoding is separate; the action that will be taken is hardcoded into each arrow.
< 1634362664 780270 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin he left before you started answering
< 1634362684 407440 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :truly noob there
< 1634362780 639930 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Happens. I'm slow.
< 1634363276 767646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :never mind, he wouldn't have understood anything anyway :P
< 1634363351 69436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*they
< 1634363390 273200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(hopefully imode did)
< 1634363470 595248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION certainly didn't
< 1634363499 943956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, i was going to have some caffeine ->
< 1634364012 333480 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :take this ☕
< 1634364024 843262 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :\wa ☕
< 1634364031 749700 :velik!~velik@nakilon.pro PRIVMSG #esolangs : Name: hot beverage | Similar characters: ⌚ (watch) | ⌛ (hourglass) |   | Unicode block: Miscellaneous Symbols (9728 through 9983) (256 characters)
< 1634364055 408748 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :very similar...
< 1634366213 425549 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@136.169.238.48 JOIN #esolangs * :the chaotic arseniiv
< 1634366541 682684 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The rules should be formalized in order to clarify them.
< 1634366573 437948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION was actually going for the iced variety, also he somehow got rerouted to eating
< 1634366629 171702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION is reminded of the saying "The beatings will continue until morale improves"
< 1634367265 51377 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(If the way that it is supposed to be working formally is known, I could add them to the Codex, in case it becomes important in a puzzle.)
< 1634367832 272230 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I also included many rules for determining the timestamps of objects in the given position; in some cases it results in the puzzle being split into multiple puzzles, and in some cases it results in a solution that seems to be valid but actually isn't, or vice-versa.)
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< 1634377077 566600 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there a reason why no bot here prints titles of links posted?
< 1634377090 242784 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :www.test.com
< 1634377092 829753 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm
< 1634377104 630911 :river!~river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe it isn't needed, i never like these bots really
< 1634377143 375765 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok then I'll enable it only for other channels
< 1634377246 590124 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :test.com does not open anyway )
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> 1634377426 268415 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Hyeon72 5*  10New user account
> 1634377938 436054 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88847&oldid=88793 5* 03Hyeon72 5* (+134) 10/* Introductions */
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> 1634378191 120604 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hyeon7214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88848 5* 03Hyeon72 5* (+41) 10Created page with "Nothing yet and trying to make a esolang."
> 1634378813 774642 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hyeon7214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88849&oldid=88848 5* 03Hyeon72 5* (+52) 10
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> 1634381212 58559 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mbfi14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88850 5* 03Oerjan 5* (+10367) 10Time to publish something
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< 1634382450 169742 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine
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< 1634382982 799243 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life
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> 1634387274 109475 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kolmogorov14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88851&oldid=88505 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+5) 10Updated the hyperlink for the interpreter to my renamed GitHub account.
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> 1634387924 616527 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hardfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88852&oldid=88827 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+18) 10Updated the hyperlink for the interpreter to my renamed GitHub account.
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> 1634390721 631094 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jaune14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88853&oldid=82922 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+1) 10Redirected the hyperlink to the interpreter in order to recognize the modified hierarchy of my GitHub account.
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> 1634394820 456193 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88854&oldid=88703 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+84) 10Added Mbfi.
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> 1634397921 206379 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Forget Me Not14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88855 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+353) 10Created page with "Forget Me Not is a programming language by [[User:PixelatedStarfish]] and influenced by INTERCAL. The instruction pointer will forget what it was trying to do and start over (..."
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> 1634405064 192264 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TheEnd14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88856 5* 03Pyautogui 5* (+1037) 10Created page with "TheEnd is an esoteric programming language inspired by Malbolge. It's intention is to be very, very, close to unusable, without actually being there.  == Specification ==  ===..."
> 1634405112 731832 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TheEnd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88857&oldid=88856 5* 03Pyautogui 5* (-2) 10
> 1634405377 694234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TheEnd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88858&oldid=88857 5* 03Pyautogui 5* (+330) 10
> 1634405417 219719 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TheEnd14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88859&oldid=88858 5* 03Pyautogui 5* (+9) 10
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> 1634411776 659549 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Snake Script14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88860&oldid=77444 5* 03VilgotanL 5* (+49) 10fix title and add categories
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> 1634412477 427587 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Forget Me Not14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88861&oldid=88855 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+506) 10
< 1634413271 650139 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-2-81.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree, I also don't like bots that prints the title of URLs posted
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< 1634414072 350801 :Franciman!~Franciman@mx1.fracta.dev PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello esofriends
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< 1634416300 991896 :nakilon!~nakilon@user/nakilon PRIVMSG #esolangs :Pyautogui https://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_instruction_minimalization
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< 1634416343 483160 :Pyautogui!~Pyautogui@108-216-110-132.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thanks! Exactly what I was looking for.
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> 1634417355 540848 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Forget Me Not14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=88863&oldid=88862 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+246) 10/* Instructions */
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> 1634419037 585952 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Newton's Third Nightmare14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=88869 5* 03RocketRace 5* (+18933) 10Newton's Third Nightmare
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