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00:55:24 <ais523> b_jonas: *all* the vector registers are call-clobbered
00:55:46 <ais523> which is ridiculous, but necessary for code compiled against different vector units to be able to link to each other
00:58:06 <ais523> (actually I'm not sure about the last 16 %zmm registers, which didn't exist at the time the ABI was written – some of those could reasonably be call-preserved because code that isn't aware of them has no way of mentioning them and thus can't clobber them by mistake)
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01:13:05 <zzo38> Then, maybe should allow to make calling conventions that can be supersets/subsets of other calling conventions, so that in some cases it might be possible to specify a function of a different calling convention than expected but can still work. There might also be some cases (although probably not common) that is possible to convert a calling convention by address adjustment.
01:16:18 <zzo38> Maybe then it will not be necessary to make all of the vector registers to be call-clobbered.
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01:33:21 <Twingamerdudes83> or, it could have gone stuck, I mean, it has same color as when I was logged into it
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01:40:18 <Corbin> Twingamerdudes: If you register your account, then you can tell IRC services that your old connection is a "ghost" and that the nickname should be reassigned to you.
01:40:38 <Corbin> Because this kicks the old connection, it can't be done with unregistered nicks.
01:46:34 <oerjan> riv: i don't know about the random mess of rule 30, but rule 110 _does_ have gadgets (the gliders), but the known construction needs an infinite pattern. you'd need to find some kind of glider gun. also you'd need to make it work in a field that only expands leftwards, because rule 110 cannot grow rightwards into a 0 field.
01:48:55 <oerjan> on the bright side, i once investigated how rule 110 grows leftwards, and it's so fast that nothing can catch up to it and can be made to behave essentially as if it were a preexisting leftwards infinite "ether" pattern.
01:49:51 <oerjan> (alternatively, there are variants where it also spouts rightwards gliders in the process. which i suppose _is_ a kind of glider gun, but with limited number of options.)
01:51:07 <oerjan> oh iirc some of the options were actually _leftwards_ gliders, just not as fast as the expansion itself.
01:53:06 <Corbin> Twingamerdudes: Fun! I'm glad that you're contributing.
01:56:37 <oerjan> actually there may have always been gliders, but some were fast enough to never interfere
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02:03:02 <oerjan> http://oerjan.nvg.org/r110.txt is the mess where i listed the options
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12:03:11 <b_jonas> ais523: ah sorry, you're right that all the xmm registers are scratch registers on unix. but I think you have the reasoning backwards. registers that don't yet exist when the abi is decided must be scratch registers, because user-space context changes can't preserve them if the implementation of the context change functions were written before those registers existed.
12:04:19 <b_jonas> also the top of ymm registers also didn't yet exist when the ABI was decided, because the first x86_64 cpus only have SSE2, and my old home computer had an x86_64 cpu that only has SSE4_1 instructions but no AVX so no ymm registers
12:06:43 <riv> thanks for the info oerjan!
12:14:39 <b_jonas> oh and, this might be obvious but it took me a while to realize. do you know why the existing 128-bit vector register instructions from SSE2 must preserve the top of ymm registers, even though this is clearly bad both because the cpu has to do extra work to keep the top halves, and inconvenient for new software that uses ymm? it's because there can be existing interrupt handler (or signal handler)
12:14:45 <b_jonas> functions using those old instructions, and they must not change the top of ymm registers because the function that the interrupt handler interrupted might be using it. on the other hand, the new AVX instructions aren't limited this way, so they zero the top of ymm registers when they write to an xmm register.
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19:47:23 <fizzie> Getting a little tired of every single thing I run printing a few "this version of `which' is deprecated; use `command -v' in scripts instead." messages. :/
20:07:06 <int-e> fizzie: Yeah that is such a useless message when you invoke a third party script or program.
20:09:06 <int-e> though hmm, I don't see it much? `thunderbird` has a wrapper script using `which`
20:10:00 <int-e> Hmm I guess the "intelligent" bash autocompletion would be susceptible too.
20:43:36 <fizzie> I was building OpenWRT.
20:43:43 <fizzie> The build process and other assorted scripts do a lot of it.
20:47:47 <int-e> fizzie: you /could/ comment out the 4th line in /usr/bin/which :P
20:50:09 <int-e> or prefix it with something like [[ -z "$QUIET_WHICH" ]] &&
21:21:59 <esolangs> [[Arepo]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=89596&oldid=89593 * DoggyDogWhirl * (+1593) Finished page for now
21:29:30 <esolangs> [[Arepo]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=89597&oldid=89596 * DoggyDogWhirl * (+141) Thought of a couple more ideas
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22:09:48 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Sunarch * New user account
22:19:22 <zzo38> Do you have 8x8 fonts for some other IBM code pages? (Later I can add other sizes too, and also multibyte encodings, but currently not.)
22:39:33 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=89599&oldid=89573 * Sunarch * (+196) /* Introductions */
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