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< 1639181877 480516 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :is ICMP turing-complete?
> 1639182631 434801 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Viba14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=90598 5* 03Viba 5* (+58) 10Created page with "i am viba and i made these * [[UCanCode]] * [[FakeScript]]"
< 1639182692 731887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen
< 1639183423 404113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: i find the idea that anyone would care enough about the copyright status of your works 70 years from now enough to kill you utterly bizarre and would suggest you get some more realistic concerns hth
< 1639183525 71125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( like getting hit by meteorites )
< 1639183572 489684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(putting that in . o O ( ) because i'm not going to actually estimate the relative probability)
< 1639183643 274930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially since the people who would normally care most would be the one who _own_ the copyright and would be incentivized to keep you alive longer
< 1639183662 146483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*ones
< 1639183776 49563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :scratch that "especially", even their care should be absurdly low, it's 70 years into the future
< 1639183869 877817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :@golf
< 1639183870 197707 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :unexpected end of input: expecting number, "d" or "("
< 1639183883 828416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :@golf 3d6
< 1639183884 128730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: 5+2+6 => 13
< 1639183907 310164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :1d8
< 1639183907 530605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: 5
< 1639183996 798057 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why is that "@golf"? 
< 1639184137 393865 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :@roll 2d6
< 1639184137 714740 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: 1+2 => 3
< 1639184146 60311 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh.
< 1639184526 741362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh dear today's girl genius
< 1639184603 196318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i suspect madwa is responsible, but if not she's sure to notice them now
< 1639186762 489931 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :i don't know. the tragic death of an artist can significantly boost the sales. 
< 1639186964 697816 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe you've seen josie and the pussycats. a nice parody on the evil practices of music industry:)
> 1639187128 987094 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yeetb0114]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=90599 5* 03Yeetb01 5* (+72) 10e
< 1639187570 649220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :no i haven't. hm...
< 1639187585 371988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :i may have misunderstood b_jonas's intent
< 1639187751 813527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm no, still don't understand how his license achieves anything that really matters
< 1639187811 30677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :earendel: i don't think b_jonas suggested license helps with that sales boosting problem
< 1639187833 545088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :* b_jonas's
> 1639188030 759768 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck+314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90600&oldid=90103 5* 03Squidmanescape 5* (+533) 10/* Implementations */
< 1639188032 610208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is to say, although some people might conceivable care enough about the sales _now_ to kill him, they won't care whether the copyright then expires slightly earlier
< 1639188041 210524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*ly
< 1639188340 17857 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :i'm afraid i missed his part entirely. didn't care to look for it in the logs. i recall that after some decades after the death of the author, you don't need to pay license fees nor ask for permission to use their work. but apparently you as well won't be able to make a new patent, or claim ownership otherwise. was it 70years? should be less, imo. i guess that was your point too?
< 1639188502 583785 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hm. The law already covers murdering for profit, doesn't it?
< 1639188626 710094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :Corbin: you'd think
< 1639188734 667169 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes. max sentence. planful and "lower motives", like greed. 
< 1639188854 841326 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure what would make a noble motive. confusion maybe :p
< 1639188900 59204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :tyrannicide.  which can go any way as far as sentence goes :P
< 1639188914 478767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :(dependent on whether the regime survives)
< 1639188955 427454 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes.:) 
< 1639189023 455923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, not every country has the same law, although you'd expect similar rankings.
< 1639189039 707857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :( b_jonas is hungarian, for one thing. )
< 1639189213 7583 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :we just actively attempt to dismantle copyright in its entirety
< 1639189280 571032 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :life-sentence is 15 years in germany. but there's exception to that. like for people expected to repeat their crime. mostly some psychotic people not in control  of themselves. they can be locked indefinitely long. (or until the doctors say you somehow changed for good)
< 1639189332 668370 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :in germany there's a difference between authorship and copyright. authorship for instance is not disposable at all.
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< 1639189578 814387 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :what can they do to prevent you from disposing of it?
> 1639189597 318799 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!lyriclydemoteestablishcommunism!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90603&oldid=81230 5* 03Squidmanescape 5* (+28) 10I feel like this is a joke language about censorship.
< 1639189600 689264 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :and of course that is not the point. you should be able to make profits from immaterial goods. but your grand-grand-children should eventually be forced to let off their grip of evil menace. 
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< 1639189700 644582 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :soni: you can give away licenses like do what you want with it license. but the authorship is yours. and remains yours. nobody can take it away from you. 
< 1639189842 268710 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :earendel: sure but what can they do to stop you from using something like [shameless self-promotion] https://ganarchy.github.io/
< 1639189886 483800 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :i never use morals in argumentation
< 1639189897 625162 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :you should know by now.
< 1639189917 890315 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :this isn't about morals, this is about practicality
> 1639189937 926042 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Squidmanescape14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90605&oldid=90602 5* 03Squidmanescape 5* (-16) 10
< 1639190030 676477 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :besides. i don't see what would be wrong about seeking beauty. all the flowers in bloom. all the sweet fruits do attract me. there is nothing to compromise with.
> 1639190072 973562 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Squidmanescape14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=90606 5* 03Squidmanescape 5* (+40) 10Created page with "I have decided to create this talk page."
< 1639190100 597452 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :we guess you don't actually have to deny authorship to be able to use our software, and even we don't, but eh
< 1639190465 767255 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :are you saying there is nothing comparable in your country? 
< 1639190820 544105 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :i guess you can maximaly give away all copyrights and whatever to somebody. not sure how it is when you're paid for creating immaterial goods on behalf of some company. probably the authorship then belongs to that company as well. but i'm not sure. 
< 1639191406 988669 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :most open-source licences require you to give some credit, or require your product to be puslished under certain licences as well.  but to fuel your excitement: i think humanity never got closer to the idea of comunism as with the upcoming of computers, the www or open-source. 
< 1639191450 512037 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :however non-profit does not mean all is working for free. 
< 1639191632 509437 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure there is definitely merit to the idea of free market. if somebody doesn't like the product, your agenda or the color of your socks, he mustn't buy it, right? what could be more democratic. 
> 1639191982 539731 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A-M)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90607&oldid=90287 5* 03Squidmanescape 5* (+500) 10Added (top, height)
< 1639192054 602330 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :you for instance are doomed.
< 1639192090 93164 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :you think the world needs me more than i do.
< 1639192248 733160 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :earendel: we mean, we have git commits with our name on them
< 1639192273 907290 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's basically authorship yeah?
< 1639192731 473193 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you correct a typo in a text, that's not authorship. also i don't know if authorship is the correct term. in germany it is 'urheber-recht' without the hyphen. i don't remember the exact text, but slightly changing a composition without significant merit wouldn't count. similarily to how patents apply or not. in last instance some court would need to decide. and there are a lot of edge cases, .. ad absurdum.
< 1639193085 766701 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :soni: if you create a new repo you are asked for the license type. i guess such a license may also cover eventual contribution regulation. however i think if you're selling your workforce to a company, of course the company has some privileges or even ownership over that stuff. however i dont remember a company ever having won the nobel price. 
< 1639193177 700155 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :our favorite license is still "This software shall only be used in violation of this license." :p
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< 1639193395 905412 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: What is that license called?
< 1639193506 365657 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :the license paradox
< 1639193511 140846 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK
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< 1639193678 946702 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't want to require anyone to give credit, or to do anything else; I only want to prohibit someone else to add further restriction. What is that license called?
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< 1639194481 5925 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still want to find licensing situations that basically require folks to join the community. https://opensource.stackexchange.com/q/11840/18097 was my last inquiry.
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< 1639195494 742590 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Isn't that basically a DRM scheme?
< 1639195729 784509 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: get rid of copyright?
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< 1639195944 92928 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think if you don't declare the license it may not be binding. but i think all you need is to declare it. (even if it may not be legit. like: all men using this software are pigs! would not necessarily be a legit clause)
< 1639195977 932498 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :because of the all pigs are equal act. 
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< 1639196209 700888 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes. go to bed. i will keep these skandinavian rascals in check.
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< 1639196214 750330 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs ::p
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< 1639196810 108723 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Soni: It is similar yes, but want to do as a license so that it can be used in jurisdictions with copyright as well as those without. Actually, there are a few other terms I want to add as well, such as also the patents (if any) can be freely used, support for license compatibility with projects using (A)GPL/CC-BY-SA, and non-endorsement in situation where that becomes important.
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< 1639197266 831161 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: I firstly, they wouldn't outright kill me, because that would come with a criminal liability that's not worth the value they could get, they just might make my life slightly harder, but multiple different people (including corporations) all may have an incentive to do that independently, which adds up.
< 1639197323 883909 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :secondly sure, maybe my creative works aren't worth enough, but by that logic you can also say that I'm not rich enough for anyone to steal from my house so I don't need a door lock.
< 1639197370 897093 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and yes, the 70 year delay is mostly the saving grace that makes this not already have had a too bad effect on artists who actually have valuable creative works.
< 1639197446 379920 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and no, this is not about the sales boosting effect of my death
< 1639197485 321908 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :earendel: the timeout is usually 70 years, it depends slightly on what country you first publish your creative work in
< 1639197598 636594 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :if it adds up, could the corporations make my penis harder as well?
< 1639197613 70873 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would certainly pay off soon.
< 1639197627 229037 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :not even slightly?
< 1639197779 526500 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :seriously. what market incentives would make corporations want to make somebodies life harder. 
< 1639197849 458118 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :earendel: again, the incentive is that if I die earlier, then my published creative works lose most of their copyright protection earlier, and so they would acquire a right to use those creative works earlier
< 1639197883 466411 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean that's the copyright side; there are lots of much better reasons why a company would want to make your life harder
< 1639197890 791867 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but those aren't relevent here
< 1639197946 568227 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what you have to realize is that while this probably helps very little, the cost is also very little to me. I give away a little bit of the potential profits from the creative work in exchange for a little bit of potential longer life. I think it's a win.
< 1639197996 677797 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah ok. i get it making life harder could have a negative impact on health. i get it. they may also want to reward me so it is a win win situation. right?
< 1639198037 385436 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :without a doubt.
< 1639198044 710675 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :earendel: yes, if they want to buy a copyright license for your work then they may want you to live longer actually
< 1639198137 825933 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :well making one life's harder really only make sense if you're out to wait 70 years, and then you would need to compete with anybody else gaining the right use my work. 
< 1639198173 525876 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but only if they buy a perpetual copyright license, which is not that common outside of software really
< 1639198210 305966 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :u will have a hard time to convince your shareholders of the 70 years plus strategy.
< 1639198628 101663 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :earendel: you have to understand the emotional side of my argument. most of the authors whose works are out of copyright died in or around world war II, and often either *from* the war or from the Nazi holocaust. the people who decide about war or peace do probably care 70 years in advance.
< 1639198657 339346 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :admittedly they are also governments who may have extra incentives to keep my works under copyright protection, to increase their tax income.
< 1639198776 530254 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you're a big film studio, it's absolutely worth for you to start a war in order to get film rights for all the books out there 70 years later
< 1639198878 870611 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :wikipedia says: 'The original holder of the copyright may be the employer of the author rather than the author himself if the work is a "work for hire".' here we go. 
< 1639198981 969544 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :'the most recent major overhaul of copyright in the US, the 1976 Copyright Act, extended federal copyright to works as soon as they are created and "fixed", without requiring publication or registration.'  
< 1639198982 761438 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, the law says that, that applies to eg. software that I write during my job. in that case, in theory the company that pays me could have an incentive for me to live longer, but this probably only applies to film studios, software will be worth nothing in 70 years.
< 1639199071 604969 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :earendel: that's technically how it already works here, as in the nominal copyright holder is fixed, but that matters only for very few practical reasons, because you can give licenses that transfer *almost* all the rights from copyright to someone else after the fact, as in the rights to distribute copies and copies of derivatives, 
< 1639199095 162972 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the remaining few rights are the ones that mostly never expire and have little money associated with them
< 1639199305 727231 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes. but there is obviously a distinction between holder and "creator". which would be synonymous with how i used "author". as just for the case of that 70 years, the holder is not relevant. 
< 1639199360 10425 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :correct, except in old US works
< 1639199381 406729 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :only the authors matter to determine the expiry time for works created now
< 1639199383 533283 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :i guess the picant details are in fact the weak exception on "work for hire". i bet marx could elaborate  
< 1639199474 575809 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this makes sense because nobody wants to determine when the corporation that you work for dies, so times are tied to your death or publication time
< 1639199484 227994 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: i think this is not correct. authors can give their work out for free instantly.
< 1639199505 772748 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :they remain the creator even after that expiration date as well.
< 1639199520 587497 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :earendel: what is not correct?
< 1639199548 273370 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :"only the authors matter to determine the expiry time for works created now."
< 1639199551 834416 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, you can use a copyright license to give your work away for free
< 1639199576 13711 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :they dont. "creator-ship" doesn't expire. 
< 1639199588 91858 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, only most of the rights expire
< 1639199599 218114 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the remaining few rights like being the author don't expire
< 1639199615 430443 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :only the copy right protection, which they may give away at any time expires. 
< 1639199616 257928 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :only most of the copyright protection, as in people by default not being allowed to copy your work
< 1639200053 4883 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :the other reason, as mentioned before is to prevent others of claiming a patent or copyright on works which copyright expired.
< 1639200093 29779 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :however that making your life difficult  .. is utter bullshit. 
< 1639200220 72754 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are laws that further restrict possible exploitation of copyright. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
< 1639200404 791479 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :earendel: and they vary from one country to another and have some *seriously* weird clauses, the low point being the one specifically about using works as scenery or backdrops in broadcast television only
< 1639200495 169218 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :[..] for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. '
< 1639200536 285405 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the high point is seriously lifting restrictions if you copy printed works for use by blind people, either in print form or braille or audiobooks, which is why we have an entire partly government-sponsored library that has audiobook copies of lots of works for which they don't have a copyright license, on audio casettes, but they aren't allowed to loan them to anyone but people who are blind or close to 
< 1639200538 730129 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :i guess that's where you in doubt better get some consultance of some lawyer.
< 1639200542 288552 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it
< 1639200637 643432 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the other high point is where some exceptions about when you can copy a work for personal non-profit use are such that you're allowed to photocopy or digitize parts (chapters) of a book, but not the whole book together, however, you're allowed to make a handwritten copy of the whole book
< 1639200638 669432 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :creating and patenting a vaccine for a deadly virus and not giving out any licenses for it, but prefer to be burried with it and your money could as well be regarded as not beneficial for the commonwealth.
< 1639200673 834483 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :just for instance.
< 1639200681 894976 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that law is a worthy read, you can chuckle a lot on its many anachronisms
< 1639200800 40195 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :you seemed to step down from it a bit by now. 
< 1639200810 829256 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :well i chuckled a lot reading your wet corporate making life harder thesis. 
< 1639200877 50159 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :earendel: again, it's cheap for me. if you think a corporation doesn't care about profits that they can realize 70 years from now or later, then don't you also think that I don't care about profits from my own works that I can only realize 70 years from now, and so it's cheap for me to give away that profit?
< 1639200887 914210 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is a low impact intervention, but is also cheap
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< 1639200953 500184 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think if you can't break even in max five years, you need the state to support your back. otherwise you will have fucking hard time.
< 1639201039 129977 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :you suck at economics.
< 1639201041 651589 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :;)
< 1639201306 866741 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :yw. instead of investing their limitless capital in renewables to gain control of the new market they prefer to stalk greta thunberg in some chatrooms. :)
< 1639201323 372793 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :but .. could be an explanation.
< 1639201353 547809 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :we'll see if that'll be crowned by success.
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< 1639201458 750576 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :ps.: no, i'm glad it's tesla and not edison ;)
< 1639201468 532872 :earendel!uid498179@user/earendel PRIVMSG #esolangs :all good. 
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< 1639204697 835811 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the problem is working-for-hire and letting corporations hold the rights to art.
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< 1639237759 99630 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, it's a bit shorter (and slower) if I switch the method of generating the Moore neighbourhood by filtering all grid cells by distance rather than attempting to clamp the X/Y coordinates independently: ps)XX{9rzJcpS0{j+]{Jx/Jx/d!J9==#Rj{JPp}ifj+.D!}r[p\CLp\PP{{?-)ab>]1<=}j+]g0jf[}\m}{L[}w!vv{{J9<=.*}m[}m[J\[0CNj}100E!vvCL++
< 1639237997 933054 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :more blsq?
< 1639238146 793729 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep. After the last round of trimming, day 11 is shorter than day 9 part 2, which I might just call good enough: https://zem.fi/tmp/aocblsq.txt
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< 1639248092 341792 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ooh, <math>.
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> 1639251972 125920 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Squidmanescape14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90671&oldid=90670 5* 03Squidmanescape 5* (+93) 10/* My Languages */
> 1639252010 855017 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hacrzyk14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=90672 5* 03Squidmanescape 5* (+134) 10Created page with "Hacrzyk is a language heavily based on [[Crazy]], but it is smaller and therefore easier to implement.  [[Category:Works-in-Progress]]"
> 1639252055 160663 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tobi14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=90673 5* 03NickDev-1666 5* (+730) 10Xml syntactical c. Made for Tobi
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> 1639252092 288159 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Squidmanescape 5*  10moved [[02Hacrzyk10]] to [[Haczyk]]
< 1639252220 254961 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh I could've just set a flashing octopodes to -9 and clamp at 0 once things stabilized...
> 1639252360 178139 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Haczyk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90677&oldid=90675 5* 03Squidmanescape 5* (+401) 10
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< 1639252425 935360 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Burlesque version increments the flashing ones again because it's easier to generate the 3x3 square than the 8-cell neighbourhood, but that doesn't matter because of the `J9<=.*` that clamps everything >9 to 0 at the end of the step.
> 1639252427 107652 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Squidmanescape14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90679&oldid=90671 5* 03Squidmanescape 5* (-1) 10/* My Languages */
< 1639252464 875124 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, actually, now that the neighborhood is generated based on the distance, it'd be just as easy to make the right one, and even marginally more efficient.
< 1639252477 771158 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Just a matter of `1==` instead of `1<=`.)
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< 1639253026 206196 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I did that too, but then I have to keep track of octopodes that have already flashed
> 1639253066 589288 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Haczyk14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90682&oldid=90678 5* 03Squidmanescape 5* (+56) 10
< 1639253085 899832 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which got me thinking of ways to track that information with just the world grid.
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< 1639253127 745871 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't keep track of octopodes that have already flashed in any separate way.
> 1639253149 514591 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tobi14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90684&oldid=90683 5* 03NickDev-1666 5* (-5) 10
< 1639253157 378297 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :An octopus will flash (once) when it increments from 9 to 10, that's all.
< 1639253200 801832 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or alternatively (what I had before I put that in the innermost loop) an octopus will flash when after one sub-round it has changed from a value that's <= 9 to a value that's > 9.
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< 1639253300 41113 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Ah, but I process octopodes in bulk, so it might jump from 9 to 11 which is indistinguishable from jumping from 10 to 11 post-hoc.
< 1639253340 816827 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, yes, I guess you could call storing the bitmap of values <= 9 before a single update pass "keeping track" as well.
< 1639253358 465529 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"bitmap"
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< 1639253366 214754 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ord a => [a] -> S.Set a
< 1639253378 596889 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(actually it was just a plain list)
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< 1639253388 792756 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The J{9<=}fIPp...J{9.>}fIPPIN check I had for that approach broke when I switched from a 1D block and plain indices to a 2D block-of-blocks with {y x} indices; generating neighbours was shorter with the latter.
< 1639253419 202310 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm a little sad I lost the "fIPPIN" part, it was funny.
< 1639253455 618975 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :("Find indices, pop from secondary stack to main stack, do set intersection.")
> 1639253519 506323 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Another Finite State Brainfuck14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=90690 5* 03Oshaboy 5* (+1476) 10Initial
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< 1639253783 692473 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd like Burlesque to have a 2dup. As far as stack management words go, it's got less of them than Forth.
< 1639253802 605310 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's even a three-element rotate in only one direction.
< 1639253857 923588 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :x/ goes from `a b c` to `b c a` (top of stack on the right), but there's no single builtin to get `c a b`.
< 1639253880 378192 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :could you do x/x/
< 1639253888 531522 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :You could, but it's twice as long.
< 1639253959 250247 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And that Jx/Jx/ nonsense in the day 11 solution is just to get from `a b` to `b a a b`, that's where I'd like a dup2 in.
< 1639254231 157163 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Forth also has nip ( a b -- b ) and tuck ( a b -- b a b ) which I think I've wanted in earlier solutions. The Burlesque equivalents are I think jvv (swap drop, not too bad) and Jx/x/ (dup rot rot, pretty terrible).
< 1639254267 360304 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Burlesque does have a full-stack rotate both left and right (#r and #R) though. It's just inconvenient if there's something else relevant still on the stack.
> 1639254358 76515 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bedtime14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90693&oldid=90626 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+2111) 10Undo revision 90626 by [[Special:Contributions/PixelatedStarfish|PixelatedStarfish]] ([[User talk:PixelatedStarfish|talk]])
< 1639254422 874244 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm sure if I tried to actually do AoC puzzles in Forth, the better stack words wouldn't really compensate for the lack of higher-order builtins like map, filter and reduce, as well as lazy lists.
< 1639254682 541006 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: there's also the opposite end, https://esolangs.org/wiki/GML where the only stack rearrangement operations are binding to a new local variable and pushing a local variable. not even swap or dup or pop builtins.
< 1639254696 315102 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's at least consistent.
< 1639254742 402827 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does binding a local variable consume it from the stack? 
< 1639254771 942241 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1639254818 955109 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mm. There are Forth implementations with locals, that work a little like that -- in Gforth, for example, you can write : swap { a b -- b a } b a ; to reimplement swap.
< 1639254824 878475 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also even though [ and ] seem at first to work like in postscript to make an array from the stack contents, the language defines them in such a way that [ isn't an actual value on the stack and you can't assign it to a local variable
< 1639254854 667172 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I think it's based more of postscript, which has /x to assign to a variable x, and then x to retrieve that variable
< 1639254864 584133 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or something like that, maybe it's /x def or something
> 1639254885 875230 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bedtime14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90694&oldid=90693 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (-18) 10/* Test Cases */
< 1639254886 743005 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`( in -- out )` is the convention for a stack effect comment, so `{ in -- out }` binds the locals listed on the left side; the right side is still a comment. And then just mentioning them pushes them on the stack.
< 1639254888 19232 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :rm: cannot remove 'canary': No such file or directory \ /hackenv/bin/(: eval: line 4: syntax error near unexpected token `in' \ /hackenv/bin/(: eval: line 4: `in -- out )` is the convention for a stack effect comment, so `{ in -- out }` binds the locals listed on the left side; the right side is still a comment. And then just mentioning them pushes them on the stack.'
< 1639254892 419704 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, it's not local variables, but the contest has *functional* in its name so they had to do that
< 1639254924 186351 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should learn not to start with a backtick.
< 1639254948 767881 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Where did "cannot remove 'canary': No such file or directory" even come from there?)
< 1639255035 29756 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`(
< 1639255036 220832 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :rm: cannot remove 'canary': No such file or directory
< 1639255058 189108 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` type \(
< 1639255059 428628 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​( is /hackenv/bin/(
< 1639255062 901102 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cbt (
< 1639255063 800908 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ rm canary; eval -- "$1" | rnooodl
< 1639255080 946092 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh
< 1639255090 267873 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that should be changed to reference canary in the right directory
< 1639255105 809565 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I guess it's for running something without making a commit? 
< 1639255115 21408 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah
< 1639255136 263461 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and when I put $HACKENV/ everywhere, I looked for wisdom and quotes and ibin and stuff like that, but not for canary
< 1639255148 597498 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` grep -wl canary bin/*
< 1639255149 708826 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :grep: bin/*: No such file or directory
< 1639255160 999100 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` grep -wl canary /hackenv/bin/* # ok, I deserved that one
< 1639255162 566578 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/(
< 1639255184 915508 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? (
< 1639255186 615370 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​(? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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> 1639256966 736152 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bedtime14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90705&oldid=90704 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+0) 10/* Interpreter */
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< 1639259383 387353 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cbt (
< 1639259384 613431 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ rm -- "$HACKENV/canary"; eval -- "$1" | rnooodl
< 1639259432 60167 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`( seq 10 | tee cXsR
< 1639259435 17425 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 6 \ 7 \ 8 \ 9 \ 10
< 1639259441 578962 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat cXsR
< 1639259442 450807 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 6 \ 7 \ 8 \ 9 \ 10
< 1639259447 497712 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, that didn't work
< 1639259450 186857 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`rm cXsR
< 1639259451 189457 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output.
< 1639259454 49467 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat cXsR
< 1639259454 967433 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :cat: cXsR: No such file or directory
< 1639259469 672487 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: ^ doesn't seem to work
< 1639259481 460312 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll have to revert it so it at least gives an error message
< 1639259551 661149 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cbt (
< 1639259552 645002 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ rm canary; eval -- "$1" | rnooodl
< 1639259577 750175 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the problem's really that no commit is needed any more for files in the current directory (/hackenv/tmp), so the command becomes slightly pointless.
< 1639259591 122145 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah
< 1639259593 355468 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :right!
< 1639259597 114744 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :then I shouldn't revert it
< 1639259612 569125 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cbt (
< 1639259613 600891 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​#!/bin/bash \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ rm -- "$HACKENV/canary"; eval -- "$1" | rnooodl
< 1639259633 498200 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`( echo cr7xRqXRGr1o > /hackenv/X4_D
< 1639259636 111297 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output.
< 1639259642 258710 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat /hackenv/X4_D
< 1639259644 261861 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :cat: /hackenv/X4_D: No such file or directory
< 1639259648 747042 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :good, it is working
< 1639259662 21084 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks for the reminder
< 1639259673 440199 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The chances of someone successfully using it for its intended purpose are pretty slim, but of course it's the principle of the thing.
< 1639259717 533085 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, the fallback if we can't fix it is to make it always give an informative error message and not execute its comman
< 1639259728 138773 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if nobody wants to use it, that doesn't hurt
< 1639259734 692805 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but this is even better
< 1639259872 84501 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` cd /hackenv/bin; ln -sv ../../bin/true ./\:
< 1639259874 646809 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​'./:' -> '../../bin/true'
< 1639259880 490929 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`: ignore this please
< 1639259881 519051 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output.
< 1639259901 869276 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently that's only a shell builtin, it doesn't exist as a standalone executable
< 1639259905 932714 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` type -a :
< 1639259907 13858 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​: is a shell builtin \ : is /hackenv/bin/:
< 1639259909 587484 :Koen!~Koen@128.245.88.92.rev.sfr.net JOIN #esolangs * :Koen
< 1639259911 342272 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-47.catv.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` type -a true
< 1639259912 407875 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :true is a shell builtin \ true is /bin/true
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> 1639266858 749655 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07P14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90710&oldid=90667 5* 03OrichalcumCosmonaut 5* (+37) 10correct structured program theorem redlink to point to wikipedia article (which was probably intended)
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