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02:08:45 <Sgeo_> Geeked out about Koka and lenses recently so now I'm going to try to combine them
02:09:37 <Sgeo_> van Laarhoven looks like a better fit even though I keep hearing profunctor is better
02:19:37 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape/Unimplemented By Date]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90919&oldid=90835 * Squidmanescape * (-276) /* Languages I Explicitly Won't Ever Implement */
03:02:20 <esolangs> [[A programming language is a formal language comprising a set of strings that produce various kinds of machine code output.]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90920&oldid=90028 * TheThunderGuyS * (+101) Add C implementation, minor edits
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05:50:23 <Taneb> Sgeo_: what's Koka?
05:50:43 <Sgeo_> Research language for exploring effect handling
05:50:48 <Sgeo_> koka-lang.org
05:53:55 <oerjan> oops, seems i was right about girl genius again, just after i thought i was wrong
06:27:09 <int-e> oerjan: accidentallycorrect.com is already taken though!
06:27:22 <oerjan> darn
06:31:47 <Taneb> oerjan: what was it you were right about Girl Genius?
06:32:04 <int-e> oerjan: I'm lost in the plot as usual
06:32:53 <oerjan> that madwa would find them when they flew the cetaceans
06:33:39 <oerjan> or actually, that was before the monsters were shown
06:34:18 <oerjan> i predicted she was either behind them fleeing, or would notice.
06:35:19 <oerjan> so i was wrong about the first and right about the second.
06:35:47 <int-e> (But at least we get to see Prende's Lantern again)
06:36:30 <int-e> (So maybe I'm not /completely/ lost.)
06:36:47 <Taneb> Honestly, I had in my head that Madwa was dead
06:37:08 <oerjan> Taneb: you missed the part where she showed up alive
06:37:50 <Taneb> Clearly
06:38:22 <oerjan> faking your death is presumably standard smoke knight technique, both madwa and violetta have done that now
06:38:59 <Taneb> Makes sense
06:39:19 <Taneb> I'm definitely going to have to reread a chunk of this. Hard part is knowing when to start
06:39:52 <oerjan> although violetta did it without killing everyone else nearby first, which may be a bit bad procedure
06:41:09 <Taneb> Violetta's not a very good smoke knight, mind
06:41:38 <oerjan> anyway, these cetaceans are presumably among those turned mad, and we've just seen the little clanks find a lot of liquid that looks very much like the dyne water which had the same effect.
06:45:52 <oerjan> Taneb: if you start when they arrived in londinium, you should get most of what's relevant here, except for the bit back in the castle where it told about the effect of the dyne water before it was purified
06:50:17 <oerjan> that bit is here https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20091030
06:51:24 <oerjan> i suppose you could start back in paris before they found the lantern
06:51:33 <oerjan> to get that part too
06:56:14 <int-e> Taneb: ahem. Violetta *says* that she's not a very good smoke knight
06:56:33 <int-e> I wouldn't necessarily trust what a smoke knight says.
06:58:40 <oerjan> very good point
06:59:42 <oerjan> i think this is the first mention of the lantern https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20150921
07:01:21 <int-e> https://girlgenius.fandom.com/wiki/Prende%27s_Chronometric_Lantern agrees... unless that's where you got the information... or maybe you were the one who put it there
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08:00:54 <oerjan> int-e: neither, i just remembered where i read it *MWAHAHAHA*
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09:33:05 <int-e> . o O ( Rust code is so self-referential. )
09:41:03 <sprout> https://twitter.com/egel_language/status/1471770988350222337?s=20 <- advent of code,  day 17
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12:36:14 <Melvar> While Girl Genius was very interesting for the time I could stick with it, I found it’s one of those things that’s just too large-scale and interwoven for me to make heads or tails of.
12:36:57 <int-e> I believe oerjan binges the whole thing about once a year to stay on top of things.
12:37:06 <int-e> I don't, I get lost. I still enjoy it though.
12:37:55 <int-e> There's usually enough short-term action that doesn't depend on the large scale schemes and intrigues
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12:39:02 <int-e> And I have /some/ idea of the grand schemes. My main problem is actually character recognition. (bad pun, couldn't resist)
12:39:09 <river> i always want to get into it
12:40:49 <int-e> While I am mocking oerjan it's worth noting that I /have/ binged it from the beginning two or three times too.
12:41:05 <Melvar> Yeah character recognition is kind of a problem for me too, exacerbated by the fact that the schemes may involve disguises and impersonations and aliases.
12:41:21 <river> i should just read 10 pages of it to start
12:41:40 <river> wow its been going 20 years
12:55:05 <fizzie> Okay, this is just _the worst_:
12:55:08 <fizzie> `` echo '0 - 3^2' | bc
12:55:09 <HackEso> ​-9
12:55:12 <fizzie> `` echo '- 3^2' | bc
12:55:13 <HackEso> 9
12:55:32 <Everything> `` echo tst
12:55:33 <HackEso> tst
12:55:36 <Everything> oh
12:55:44 <fizzie> The unary minus binds tighter than exponentiation, so the latter is interpreted as (-3)^2 rather than -(3^2).
12:56:19 <int-e> `` bc <<<0+-3^2
12:56:20 <HackEso> 9
12:56:45 <int-e> it is surprising
12:57:18 <fizzie> `` bc <<<'t=3;-t^2'  # also for variables
12:57:19 <HackEso> 9
12:57:40 <fizzie> (I was thinking it might be something like a special case of integer literals, but no.)
12:59:17 <int-e> `` bc<<<'t=2;-t++^2'
12:59:18 <HackEso> 4
12:59:23 <int-e> `` bc<<<'t=2;-++t^2'
12:59:24 <HackEso> 9
12:59:26 <int-e> :)
13:01:39 <int-e> https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/bc.html wants it that way, beautiful
13:20:07 <esolangs> [[APOL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90921&oldid=90916 * GingerIndustries * (+7) /* Memory */
13:25:58 <esolangs> [[APOL]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90922&oldid=90921 * GingerIndustries * (+447) /* Programs */
13:26:43 <esolangs> [[APOL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90923&oldid=90922 * GingerIndustries * (+35) /* Instruction table */
13:27:54 <esolangs> [[APOL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90924&oldid=90923 * GingerIndustries * (+40) /* Instruction table */
13:28:51 <esolangs> [[APOL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90925&oldid=90924 * GingerIndustries * (+58) 
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21:15:48 <Taneb> int-e: I've actually re-read Girl Genius at least once this year already. I just have a terrible memory
21:16:28 <Taneb> I have a plan to set up a private wiki and read through it with notes (actually I plan to do this with a number of similar complicated things)
21:30:13 <esolangs> [[Talk:Posset]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=90926&oldid=90883 * BarryNL * (+585) First reaction to article
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22:22:54 <fizzie> Snippet from today's Burlesque solution: `g0INnun!?`