< 1641428070 918317 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.24 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1641428083 199573 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.24 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've had good experiences with IRC/Discord bridges in the past < 1641428101 630018 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.24 PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically because they reduce the amount of incentive to actually use Discord < 1641428183 519001 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.24 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the bridge probably helps both sides to stay on topic? not sure < 1641428242 175570 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.24 PRIVMSG #esolangs :re: logbots, I only just realised that the Freenode collapse would have caused the legacy logbots to finally stop their work < 1641428328 687046 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.24 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it might also be helpful to get visibility into the really rapid rate of new half-baked esolangs going onto the wiki… < 1641431551 707316 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do they do it like the Libera.Chat <-> Matrix bridge, that Discord participants look like separate people on IRC, or not? Because the latter is a pretty jarring experience IMO. Especially if the majority of discussion happens "over there". < 1641432071 741869 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :Quit: brb < 1641432100 613807 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :sprock < 1641432155 18535 :eli_oat!~eli_oat@185.199.103.224 JOIN #esolangs eli_oat :eli_oat < 1641432464 79125 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.24 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: the bridge I'm used to sends everything through a single bot on IRC < 1641432464 167167 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.24 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although with a very short name < 1641432464 217035 :ais523!~ais523@213.205.242.24 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you get used to it quite quickly < 1641437959 786517 :kit!~u0_a391@2603-6010-a141-6fa3-950d-0150-5311-7e6b.res6.spectrum.com QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1641437978 365460 :kit!~u0_a391@2603-6010-a141-6fa3-950d-0150-5311-7e6b.res6.spectrum.com JOIN #esolangs * :u0_a391 < 1641437994 818330 :eli_oat!~eli_oat@185.199.103.224 QUIT :Quit: eli_oat < 1641440107 333189 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm on a (different network) channel where Discord is bridged by a bot called "dx", and it's not the length of the nickname, it's the lack of all the quality-of-life IRC client features. < 1641440112 563539 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Missing nick colors for the people beyond the bridge, nicknames rendered in the "wrong place" and text not aligned right, no tab completion for them either, the nickname prefix making it impossible for them to invoke bot commands that require a prefix (well, maybe that's a feature rather than a bug). Maybe a few others too. < 1641440152 259619 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know there's client-side scripting workarounds for at least some of them, but that'd involve effort. < 1641440824 423338 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am also on a IRC server that is only meant for the purpose of being bridged by Discord, and all of the names appear as IRC names. However, private messages between IRC and Discord do not work (so people on the IRC can only send private messages to other people on the IRC, and people on the Discord can only send private messages to other people on the Discord). Do you know how to make private messages work? > 1641441641 469858 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Patternfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91655&oldid=90246 5* 03Robolta 5* (-9) 10Changed URCL link < 1641442179 770391 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't have anything to do with running the bridge; I think it's just an instance of matterbridge. But in any case I imagine it's probably quite different when it's done with server assistance, this one is just a bot connected to a regular IRC network. < 1641442651 23177 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do not have any problem with the features you listed since I do not use them; of course that may be significant for you and for other people, but some people including myself do not use these features. < 1641442777 972863 :razetime_!~AdminUser@49.207.213.63 JOIN #esolangs * :razetime > 1641447126 925240 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91656&oldid=88854 5* 03Grande1900 5* (+0) 10/* History */ Changed P%27%27 to P to avoid redirect. < 1641447373 641229 :razetime_!~AdminUser@49.207.213.63 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aren't big important pages like Brainfuck and thue supposed to be edit protected < 1641447755 594240 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no < 1641447844 453713 :razetime_!~AdminUser@49.207.213.63 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i see > 1641448357 460884 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Grande190014]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91657 5* 03Grande1900 5* (+342) 10Created page with "Hello, I am Grande1900 and I am here mainly just to make small edits here and there, and also add my BrainFuck variant: .........................................................." < 1641457611 44615 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1641457975 76218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1641461191 428162 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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< 1641482657 98905 :vyv!~vyv@bras-vprn-nrbaon0452w-lp130-16-76-68-64-112.dsl.bell.ca JOIN #esolangs vyv :vyv verver < 1641482947 160971 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1641483003 152796 :Trieste!T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1641483365 88426 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1641483619 458886 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :http://www.fraglets.net/ < 1641483639 288836 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :wonder if this is turing complete if you restrict symbols. > 1641483935 94998 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07APOL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91659&oldid=91658 5* 03GingerIndustries 5* (+166) 10/* Instruction table */ < 1641484631 73735 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :5 1/2 years of research < 1641485202 986415 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm reading the introductory paper. It seems like the O(1) interpreter is a bit of a lie; it's O(n) for n fraglets to consider. That's better than quadratic-time, yes, but it's not constant-time. < 1641485395 909570 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you got further than I did < 1641485499 502574 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've read a *lot* of network-concurrency crankery, I guess. < 1641485590 303318 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :As a computer scientist I wonder: How can you do this and not even cite Milner (pi-calculus and CCS) and/or Hoare (CSP) and possibly a couple of others. This research is from a parallel universe... < 1641485671 552450 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, it's from a world where delivery is unreliable. This is a big division in CS that I've noticed, and people get *very* angry if you remind them that the other half exists. < 1641485702 602105 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sad. < 1641485716 174721 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :CSP is great for talking about e.g. Go's concurrency within a single machine. There, delivery is so reliable and quick that we can trust it. < 1641485755 398182 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Whereas the example that they use in this paper is about ack'ing an unreliably-delivered packet. Simple stuff but clearly from a different line of research. < 1641485768 508858 :razetime!~quassel@49.207.213.63 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1641485882 917515 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Surely you could at least have a common syntax :-/ Oh well... that's not how academia works. < 1641485957 640806 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You get more research grant money if you can convince the world that you're breaking new ground rather than extending something old in a particular direction. > 1641486886 76461 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Sporeball14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91660&oldid=82021 5* 03Sporeball 5* (+15) 10lowercase myself < 1641486960 971540 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-162-165-78.range86-162.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1641486966 163846 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Sporeball14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91661&oldid=91660 5* 03Sporeball 5* (-1) 10remove extra break? < 1641487059 924356 :impomatic!~impomatic@host86-162-165-78.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1641487161 552627 :Corbin!~Corbin@c-73-67-140-116.hsd1.or.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I kept reading. http://www.fraglets.net/pres/o1_2007-01-29.pdf explains how they get an average-case O(1) interpreter even with n fraglets in the system already. They admit that it has worst-case O(n) behavior, so it's not magic. < 1641487666 180510 :imode!~imode@user/imode PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.researchgate.net/publication/4369014_Self-Replicating_and_Self-Modifying_Programs_in_Fraglets < 1641488009 107690 :u0_a391!~u0_a391@64.85.173.130 JOIN #esolangs * :u0_a391 < 1641488217 611283 :kit!~u0_a391@2600:380:a423:8c4a:20c:e832:91d3:fafc QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1641489255 173494 :eli_oat!~eli_oat@217.114.38.147 QUIT :Quit: eli_oat > 1641489408 180792 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07APOL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91662&oldid=91659 5* 03GingerIndustries 5* (+31) 10/* Constants */ < 1641489437 981954 :u0_a391!~u0_a391@64.85.173.130 NICK :Kit > 1641489775 12711 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07APOL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91663&oldid=91662 5* 03GingerIndustries 5* (+6) 10/* Codepage */ > 1641489918 921682 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07APOL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91664&oldid=91663 5* 03GingerIndustries 5* (+250) 10/* Instruction table */ < 1641493167 996118 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him - IT, EN < 1641493578 69255 :eli_oat!~eli_oat@217.114.38.147 JOIN #esolangs eli_oat :eli_oat < 1641494467 693784 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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