00:22:25 <fizzie> Hmm. If you've got a female HDMI to a male DVI-D adapter, why's the DVI side have all the dual-link pins populated in the first place, when the HDMI connector has pins only for three data pairs? Are they just N/C?
00:24:25 <fizzie> (I've got one cable that's HDMI on one end and DVI in the other, and it's missing the middle dual-link data pins, which makes sense. But I'd like to use the DVI output for a thing that's got an integrated HDMI cable, so I've been looking at adapters instead, and all the pictures I've seen have had fully populated DVI-D connectors on the DVI side.)
00:28:34 <Hooloovoo> I believe they're n/c and that some adapters will omit those pins
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06:04:05 <int-e> https://jalopnik.com/honda-clocks-are-stuck-20-years-in-the-past-and-this-mi-1848306970 is mind-boggling. what could they have plausibly messed up that breaks this on 2022-01-01 and fixes itself again (I guess; that's how you get a date in August) 1024 weeks after 2002-01-01?
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09:30:49 <b_jonas> fizzie: that might be because both video cards and monitors have female sockets, but that cable only works one way (out of DVI card to HDMI monitor or HDMI card to DVI monitor) and the extra plugs in the cable makes it less likely that you can plug it in backwards?
09:31:22 <b_jonas> fizzie: alternately it's for mechanical stability so the plug doesn't easily get pulled off
09:31:31 <b_jonas> although that would make more sense for the HDMI side than the DVI
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16:26:11 <fizzie> I guess one more explanation is, it's cheaper to make just one kind of DVI-D connector, so it's also cheaper for the people making the adapters to buy the dual-link ones even though they've got extra pins.
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16:59:25 <Guest5123> Hi im new to IRC, I just wanna ask, does esolangs.org accept non-english esolangs as submissions?
17:00:46 <kit_ten> i think there was a toki pona esolang so ya
17:01:03 <Guest5123> I have a plan to make an esolang, but i need it to be in Malay cuz english just doesn't have the linguistic features needed for this esolang
17:01:21 <Guest5123> But the documentation has to be in English?
17:01:55 <int-e> Yeah, the wiki language is english.
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17:05:01 <tromp> what is a minimal base in Combinatory Logic?
17:06:10 <tromp> rather, what is the shortest one?
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17:11:22 <riv> there are one combinator basis
17:11:32 <riv> XX = S, X(XX) = K stuff like that
17:16:26 <tromp> but what is the smallest possible X?
17:17:09 <tromp> can X be smaller than the sumsize of S and K ?
17:17:41 <riv> oh smallest as a lambda term you mean
17:17:52 <riv> I never thought about that
17:18:01 <tromp> whose size we can measure in bits
17:18:23 <tromp> S is 30 bits, K is 7 bits
17:18:32 <riv> interesting question
17:18:32 <tromp> oops, I mean S is 23 bits
17:18:48 <riv> it could be a small lambda term that you can make S and K out of using a complex exprsesion
17:18:54 <riv> (hypothetically)
17:18:57 <tromp> sumsize of {S,K} is 30 bits
17:19:04 <int-e> tromp: so you're measuring in BLC size?
17:19:17 <riv> so we need to prove small lambda terms are not basis'
17:19:24 <riv> obviously the identity is not one
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17:21:23 <tromp> what is an absolute lower bound on the size of a minimal base?
17:21:41 <riv> we also know K is not one on its own
17:21:47 <riv> do you have a list of the lambda terms in size order
17:21:51 <tromp> it would be larger than S...
17:22:03 <riv> how do you know that?
17:23:13 <tromp> because it needs at least 3 lambdas
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17:23:30 <tromp> and one duplicated variable
17:23:55 <tromp> and 2 more preserved ones
17:25:24 <riv> that's a great point
17:26:16 <tromp> also needs an unpreserved variable
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17:33:10 <tromp> spoller: smaller than sumsize of S and K is possible
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17:54:55 <riv> that's already an exciting result
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