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00:01:11 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91909&oldid=91908 * PixelatedStarfish * (-6) /* Language Paradigm and Memory */
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00:45:05 <esolangs> [[THROW THIS TO THAT]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91910&oldid=91741 * Esolang1 * (+18) Added category: OISC
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00:52:35 <esolangs> [[TUBSOIL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91911&oldid=91126 * Esolang1 * (+18) Fixed typo: 'onyl"
01:09:28 <esolangs> [[User:DigitalDetective47/WIP]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91912&oldid=91400 * DigitalDetective47 * (+76)
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05:40:31 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91913&oldid=91909 * PixelatedStarfish * (+133) /* Truth Machine */
05:40:47 <esolangs> [[MacroBeep]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91914&oldid=91913 * PixelatedStarfish * (+1) /* False Machine */
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06:52:34 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91915&oldid=91877 * Peter * (+114)
06:53:50 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91916&oldid=91915 * Peter * (+1) /* Language Overview */
06:56:01 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91917&oldid=91916 * Peter * (+2) /* Instructions */
06:56:35 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91918&oldid=91917 * Peter * (+0) /* Instructions */
06:58:06 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91919&oldid=91918 * Peter * (+57) /* Instructions */
06:59:11 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91920&oldid=91919 * Peter * (-3) /* Instructions */
06:59:57 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91921&oldid=91920 * Peter * (+1) /* Instructions */
07:02:50 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91922&oldid=91921 * Peter * (+12) /* Cat */
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09:26:50 <esolangs> [[Talk:Picofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91923&oldid=80530 * Otesunki * (+479)
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10:03:18 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Tesseract1729 * New user account
10:11:34 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91924&oldid=91879 * Tesseract1729 * (+97) Added my introduction
10:13:26 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91925&oldid=91924 * Tesseract1729 * (+31)
10:14:00 <esolangs> [[Malbolge Unshackled]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91926&oldid=80904 * Tesseract1729 * (+24) Fixed link
10:28:54 <esolangs> [[User:Palaiologos]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91927&oldid=91634 * Tesseract1729 * (-3) Fixed chess engine link
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10:56:29 <esolangs> [[User:Razetime]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91928&oldid=80254 * Razetime * (+646)
10:57:01 <esolangs> [[User:Razetime]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91929&oldid=91928 * Razetime * (+20)
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11:46:06 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91930&oldid=91876 * Otesunki * (+450) /* Shouldn't level 5 be TC? */
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13:03:06 <esolangs> [[+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91931&oldid=91833 * TwilightSparkle * (-3) Undo revision 91630 by [[Special:Contributions/Squidmanescape|Squidmanescape]] ([[User talk:Squidmanescape|talk]]) It's not FSA cuz the accumulator have inf states
13:04:35 <esolangs> [[+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91932&oldid=91931 * TwilightSparkle * (-289) p. s. consider minsky machine which have 2 accumulators and is TC
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13:13:54 <esolangs> [[Talk:Project Euler/1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91933&oldid=91821 * TwilightSparkle * (+312)
13:35:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:Project Euler/1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91934&oldid=91933 * TwilightSparkle * (+44)
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13:59:07 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91935&oldid=91922 * Peter * (-3)
14:05:21 <esolangs> [[SimpleScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91936&oldid=69265 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+175) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the SimpleScript programming language on GitHub and changed the category tag Unimplemented to Implemented.
14:06:00 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91937&oldid=91935 * Peter * (+1) /* Infinite loop */
14:08:29 <esolangs> [[Quiner]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=91938 * Umnikos * (+2734) Create page
14:08:42 <esolangs> [[SimpleScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91939&oldid=91936 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+1403) Extended the introduction section, introduced a description of the architecture, reformatted the commands as a table, and added three example programs.
14:09:34 <esolangs> [[Quiner]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91940&oldid=91938 * Umnikos * (-3) program deque -> code deque
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14:14:01 <esolangs> [[Quiner]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91941&oldid=91940 * Umnikos * (-81) Turns out esolang wiki pages for Quine and Deque exist
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14:18:09 <esolangs> [[Quiner]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91942&oldid=91941 * Umnikos * (-19) Default values aren't assumed
14:23:55 <esolangs> [[Byte-based Instruction Jumping]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91943&oldid=91937 * Peter * (-1) /* Example instruction */
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14:35:32 <wib_jonas> TIL that there's a pokémon whose sprite look like it's holding out a middle finger in some generation 6 and 7 pokémon games. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Spr_6x_089_s.png
14:38:13 <riv> that's Muk!
14:42:34 <wib_jonas> Muk, yes. And I think it looks even more suggestive in Pokémon Let's go Pikachu: https://i.stack.imgur.com/5KEK5.jpg
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14:55:37 <esolangs> [[Quiner]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91944&oldid=91942 * Umnikos * (-17) Improve (shorten) cat program
14:58:21 <esolangs> [[Quiner]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91945&oldid=91944 * Umnikos * (-35) Refactor the "a is greater than the number of characters" edge case outside of the list of instructions (since the problem is present in every single one of them)
15:00:23 <esolangs> [[Quiner]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91946&oldid=91945 * Umnikos * (-25) Remove "not quite finished" because there isn't much to finish
15:02:09 <esolangs> [[Quiner]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91947&oldid=91946 * Umnikos * (+13) a -> <code>a</code>
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15:12:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91948&oldid=91930 * Otesunki * (+86) forgot to sign oof
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16:06:48 <esolangs> [[Quiner]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91949&oldid=91947 * Umnikos * (+74) Add example program for +
16:08:43 <esolangs> [[Quiner]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91950&oldid=91949 * Umnikos * (+56) Clarify "a/?"
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19:09:39 <esolangs> [[Oxon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91951&oldid=91900 * A casual user * (+307)
19:15:48 <esolangs> [[Oxon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91952&oldid=91951 * A casual user * (+21)
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19:39:50 <zzo38> They are holding all of their fingers up I think, they only have three finger and that it is how is doing. Still it could be done the other way, like earlier generations is a bit differently
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20:31:54 <Melvar`> Those aren’t sprites though. They’re 3d models.
20:33:05 <esolangs> [[Oxon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91953&oldid=91952 * A casual user * (+0)
20:34:14 <Melvar`> And that’s a specific frame of their animation, of course.
20:37:11 <zzo38> Yes, and such a thing can happen with frames of animation/video in other cases too
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21:02:45 <riv> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBWgFCi7NLk little bit about the lego brick separator
21:02:56 <riv> I never really did lego but I think the brick separator is good
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21:53:02 <esolangs> [[Borsch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91954&oldid=56786 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+4) Fix category
21:53:36 <esolangs> [[Borsch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=91955&oldid=91954 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) m
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22:28:34 <Corbin> Is it known/understood/named that programs in Turing-complete programming languages don't necessarily *have* static types? Somebody asked me to explain it to them, and I'd like to just point them at the literature if possib.e
22:28:40 <Corbin> *possible, even~
22:29:27 <Corbin> Like, this old post of mine, surely it's not novel? https://lobste.rs/s/esfr31/is_c_type_safe_there_s_two_right_answers#c_y5sf4s
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23:03:23 <fizzie> Razzum frazzum, IPv6 broke again the same way it's done in the past, where if I tcpdump on the router, I can see outgoing DHCPv6 solicitations and ICMP6 but nothing at all comes back.
23:03:40 <fizzie> Last time I had a long email thread with the ISP's support, but they were pretty much entirely unhelpful, because I'm not using their designated box. And when I _did_ eventually plug it in, it started working again. So it feels like there's something very particular it does that they require, but nobody can tell me what that is.
23:04:02 <fizzie> I did some packet captures last time between their router and the wall too, and everything seemed substantially similar, though of course the packet's aren't quite identical (different MAC addresses and a few other details in the packets).
23:10:22 <int-e> Hmm. Somewhat related... I wonder whether the lambdabot host still has the IPv6 problem I worked around almost 4 1/2 years ago... which had to to with IPv6 neighbour discovery (ugh, no, I don't quite remember the details) and which I solved by hard-coding a neighbour entry into the network config.
23:12:43 <int-e> probably unrelated beyond "weird IPv6 problem"
23:13:44 <b_jonas> Corbin: I don't really understand that question.
23:15:34 <int-e> fizzie: the symptoms of which were: if IPv6 went unused for half an hour (a common scenario because lambdabot connected to freenode over IPv4) then the first outgoing IPv6 connection would fail, but the second one would succeed.
23:17:22 <int-e> I remember figuring out that the neighbour entry for the gateway router would expire (that's the half an hour part of it), and then failed trying to understand whose fault that was, and whether the router shouldn't be announcing itself regularly and... well, eventually implemented that workaround without ever resolving the question of how it *should* work.
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23:21:55 <int-e> fizzie: Anyway, I can sympathize with having IPv6 trouble :)
23:22:31 <Corbin> b_jonas: Yeah, it seems like something not talked about much. I'm not sure if it's just not practical to discuss, or if it's a genuine blind spot for language designers.
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23:36:53 <fizzie> Meh. I'm trying to take some new packet captures between their box and the wall socket, but now my laptop's just saying "no carrier" when I try to plug it in-between.
23:38:17 <int-e> oh fungot where are you in these dire times of need (lemme guess that's what you're trying to fix)
23:39:36 <int-e> the physical layer is even more of a mystery than the data link layer
23:40:53 <int-e> which I don't understand much either... the network layer is where I have an inkling of a clue
23:54:43 <fizzie> Oh, I didn't even think of fungot.
23:54:55 <fizzie> I think it should fall back to IPv4 properly though.
23:55:07 <fizzie> I've just been plugging and unplugging things so it's probably not up right now.
23:56:03 <fizzie> Actually, it won't, because I've got `pf=ip6` in the socat command, for some reason I can't quite recall.
23:56:43 <fizzie> At any rate, I managed to get the bridge and capture thing working, but this time I didn't get a working IPv6 address even with the ISP's box.
23:57:31 <fizzie> Guess I'll write to them again. It's just that chances are they'll again ask me to plug their thing in so that they can poke at it, which is fair enough, but not what I'd want to use.
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